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In what may signal a major break in longstanding US policy, the State Department referred to the occupied Syrian Golan Heights as “Israeli-controlled,” as opposed to the usual “Israeli-occupied,” for the first time in their 2018 human rights report published Wednesday.

In the report, the State Department failed to refer to the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip as occupied territories.

Additionally, the preface of the report’s chapter on Israel reads “this section includes Israel, including Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights,” suggesting that the entirety of the city, including occupied East Jerusalem, is part of Israel.

The move comes one year after the State Department dropped the term “occupied territories” from the 2017 report’s headline. That year’s report, however, still referred to the respective territories as occupied in the text itself.

The Golan Heights, West Bank, and East Jerusalem were captured by Israel in the 1967 war. Jerusalem was formally annexed by Israel in 1980, and a year later Israel extended its “laws, jurisdiction and administration” into the Golan Heights, essentially annexing it as well.

The international community, including the US, has not recognized Israel’s sovereignty over those territories, and maintains that the continued settlement expansion in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is illegal.

As part of the international consensus, Washington has long referred to the territories as occupied.

During a press briefing, State Department official Michael Kozak told journalists that the report was retitled in order to refer to the geographic region.

“This is not a human rights issue. It’s a legal status issue… and ‘occupied territory’ has a legal meaning to it. I think what they tried to do was shift more to just a geographic description,” Kozak said.

“My understanding from the policy bureaus on this is that there’s no change in our outlook or our policy vis-a-vis the territories and the need for a negotiated settlement there… We decided not to use the term in the reports because it’s not a human rights term and it was distracting.”

Kozak’s assurances came just days after Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, alongside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedmann, visited the Golan Heights and promised that he would lead an effort in the US “to recognize the Golan as part of the State of Israel now and forever.”

According to the Jewish Insider, Friedman was one of the key US figures who pushed for the change.

Jewish Insider quoted Aaron David Miller as saying, “The strategic imperative of this administration is to change U.S. policy toward Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict. This is another step in that process. For many in the administration, these areas aren’t occupied. So poof — with a simple word change, it’s no longer occupied.”

Since Trump took office, he has employed similar tactics when dealing with other issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

After recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Trump said the city would no longer be an issue in negotiations because he “took Jerusalem off the table.”

Trump officials used similar language after defunding UNRWA, saying, they took the issue of refugees “off the table.”

Palestinian officials slammed the new report from the State Department, with Dr. Hanan Ashrawi of the PLO calling it “morally and politically reprehensible,” and a “whitewashing” of the Israeli occupation.

“In its zealous pursuit to justify and mainstream the right wing agenda in Israel, the Trump administration has made a mockery of the Human Rights ‘Report’ and reaffirmed its complicity in the promotion and support of human rights violations against the Palestinian people,” Ashrawi said.

“The legal and political standing of Palestine and the Syrian Golan Heights as territory under Israeli occupation is indisputable under international law. Under the Trump administration, these facts have been discarded and denied in these “Reports”. However, denying facts cannot alter reality nor change the legal and standing moral obligations of states under international law to respect and ensure respect of human rights.”

Yumna Patel

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  1. eljay on March 14, 2019, 3:17 pm

    Donald Trump is the best President “Grand Marshal of the Israeli Day Parade” the U.S. has ever had.

  2. amigo on March 14, 2019, 4:17 pm

    Why doesn,t Trump just “Take the Palestinians off the Table”.

    Poof , Deal of the century. closed.

  3. Maximus Decimus Meridius on March 14, 2019, 4:19 pm

    “We decided not to use the term in the reports because it’s not a human rights term and it was distracting.”

    Say…. what?

    So now all reports on human rights can only contain ‘human rights terms’? And what the hell is a ‘human rights term’ when it’s at home?

    And of course the omission of the o word is significant. We are not stupid. The language of such ‘reports’ is very carefully chosen and will have been edited by several high-ups. The omission was deliberate, and is part of the Trump/Kushner plan to take as much as possible off the table: first moving the embassy, and now this. The aim is to present the Palestinians with a ‘fait accompli’ where almost all their rights under international law have been taken from them, in the hope that they will accept it out of a lack of alternatives.

    They will not.

  4. Bumblebye on March 14, 2019, 7:29 pm

    Gaza is under attack. Bombing Khan Yunis. Skies full of iof planes.

    • Marnie on March 14, 2019, 10:46 pm

      They have the full backing of the united states with the so-called kushner final solution for peace. To go from ‘occupied’ to ‘controlled’ is blowing open the door to any and all acts of aggression and mass murder.

      Maybe wonder woman will come to their rescue.

  5. JWalters on March 14, 2019, 8:12 pm

    Does this mean we should refer to the US as “Israeli-controlled” instead of “Israeli-occupied”?

    “Israel’s Stranglehold on American Politics”
    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/israels-stranglehold-on-american-politics/

    • Marnie on March 15, 2019, 1:34 am

      Israeli controlled is exactly what it looks like. The occupation comes later.

  6. echinococcus on March 14, 2019, 8:53 pm

    The cartoon and part of the comments are way off. The US is not just a malignant bystander or accessory. It is the first-person actor, indistinguishable and inseparable from the perp. It is not closing its ears, mouth or eyes: it is personally slitting the victim’s throat.
    Stop pretending.

    • Citizen on March 17, 2019, 2:06 pm

      Realistically, not quite–the IDF snipers murdering unarmed native protesters along the Gaza fence are not Americans (unless they have dual citizenship).

  7. Kay24 on March 15, 2019, 7:26 am

    Apparently Israel says that those stinking rockets may have been a “mistake”.

    They bomb first then ask the questions. They are so eager to bomb the Palestinians. For a country that brags about their intelligence capabilities, they have acted without restraint.

    “Israeli defense officials said after a preliminary investigation that the Gaza rockets that hit the Tel Aviv area were apparently fired by mistake.

    The officials were quoted Friday in Israeli media. The Israeli military declined to comment on the reports.

    It was not immediately clear if the rocket fire was a result of human error or technical malfunction. The Israeli daily Haaretz quoted the officials as saying the two rockets were fired during maintenance work.

    The apparent misfire came as Gaza’s Hamas rulers were in negotiations with Egyptian mediators about a truce deal with Israel. The assessment indicated that Hamas had no intention of escalating violence with Israel.” APNews

  8. Kay24 on March 15, 2019, 7:32 am

    We all know Kushner is NOT going to make any peace deal between the Israelis and the Palestinians. This is all just a hoax, and a poor attempt at justifying Kushner’s presence in the West Wing, making him out to be the great deal maker. They have taken everything away from the victims, Jerusalem, lands, water, no rights to return, and recently Trump has take the measly aid the US sends the Palestinians (compared to the billions of dollars and weapons it showers on their occupier), and they are suffering the consequences. A fine way to convince the Palestinians, that Trump/US are going to take care of their interests. Who is buying this crap?

  9. Misterioso on March 15, 2019, 10:58 am

    More proof that Trump is a bought and paid for dutiful servant of multi-billionaire, casino magnate, ultra-Zionist, Sheldon Adelson. Truly pathetic.

    Haaretz, Dec. 7/18, by Amir Tibon
    WASHINGTON – “Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson is reportedly spending at least $55 million during the upcoming midterm elections in order to keep Republicans in control of Congress.”

    “The Casino billionaire’s total contributions to various Republican causes surpass $100 million, according to the New York Times, possibly making him the largest single donor in American politics today.”

    Sheldon Adelson: “Best Government Money Can Buy” By Philip M. Giraldi
    October 6/18, Information Clearing House.
    EXCERPT:
    “Very few Americans know who Sheldon Adelson is and fewer still appreciate that, as America’s leading political donor, when he speaks the Republican Party listens. By virtue of his largesse, he has been able to direct GOP policy in the Middle East in favor of Israel, which might well be regarded as his true home while the United States exists more as a faithful friend that can be produced at intervals whenever Israel finds itself in need of a bit of cash or political cover.

    “Adelson’s recent successes in translating his political donations into policy favorable to Israel have included shifting the US Embassy to Jerusalem, cutting aid to Palestinians, ending the Iranian nuclear monitoring agreement and closing the Palestine Liberation Organization’s diplomatic office in Washington. All those Trump Administration measures were reportedly worked out privately by Adelson speaking directly with the president.

    “Adelson’s activities in buying politicians reflect what he believes, he reportedly having said that ‘there’s no such thing as a Palestinian.’ Nor does his world view include much concern for the country that has sheltered him and made him wealthy. He served in the US Army in World War 2 and has said that he regrets having done so, as he would rather have worn an Israeli army uniform. He also expressed his desire that his son might become an Israeli Army sniper.

    “Adelson benefits from his exceptional access to the White House to the detriment of actual American interests. A New York Times article ‘Sheldon Adelson Sees a Lot to Like in Trump’s Washington,’ states that he ‘enjoys a direct line to the president’ and meets the president monthly ‘in private in-person meetings and phone conversations.’ He has been delighted with the openly expressed threats emanating from the Administration’s key foreign and national security policy spokesmen regarding Iran. He would like to see the United States go to war with the Iranians to destroy their government and bring about some kind of regime change, and, judging from recent developments, he just might get what he seeks, which could easily have catastrophic consequences for the entire region and beyond.

    “Adelson is somewhat unhinged on the issue of Iran and has even called for dropping a nuclear bomb on a desert region of the country as a negotiating tactic to show ‘we mean business’ so Washington could then ‘impose its demands [on Iran] from a position of strength.’ If Iran continued to resist, Adelson would to drop the next one on Tehran. If Tehran were to be nuked millions of Iranians would die, which doesn’t bother Adelson one bit. Such a development would, in Adelson’s opinion, be good for Israel, which is his primary concern.”

  10. James Canning on March 15, 2019, 12:37 pm

    Given that the US ambassador to Israel is an aggressive advocate of Israeli expansionism, this news is no surprise. Trampling on international law, and attempting to conceal this fact as a PR exercise, is just part of the vicious game.

  11. Jejasalo on March 15, 2019, 1:22 pm

    I’m not sure how worried to be by this development. In effect, the State Department is only re-naming the occupied territories in the way that the US and Israel both have come to treat them over the past 52 years. When the Golan Heights was annexed to Israel in 1981 there was the usual roar of indignation by those who knew this was illegal and immoral. Then the Golan Heights became part of Israel and, outside the world of activism, we heard little more about it.

    Sadly, the activists’ job (at least here in the US) is what it has long been: to educate people about the truth of Israeli-Palestinian history. We continue to need a sustained push that does not allow the topic to slip out of the news. Dialogue groups, trips to Palestine, BDS advocacy, lectures, panels, conferences – everything that is possible – has got to be put forward in defense of Palestine and Palestinian Human Rights. Sometimes people feel exhausted or they give up in despair. That’s understandable -for about a day. Then back to work.

  12. klm90046 on March 15, 2019, 4:59 pm

    Whether they’re called Israeli occupied or Israeli controlled, what difference does it make? It’s only splitting hairs. The outcome is still the same.

    What will make a difference is, Palestinians finding their George Washington who will lead them in a war of independence. That is the ONLY way Palestinian land can be recaptured from European occupiers. The rest is either sophistry or self-delusion.

    • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 8:58 am

      The difference may be the denial of protection under the Geneva Conventions.

      • Talkback on March 17, 2019, 6:37 am

        Addendum:

        No “occupation” -> no “Illegal settlements”

      • Citizen on March 17, 2019, 2:32 pm

        Correct. The Trump-Kushner regime is doing everything possible to leave the Palestinians nothing to stand on in law or equity to resist trading in their basic human rights for a few shekels of allowed economic industry.

    • DaBakr on March 17, 2019, 8:27 pm

      @k

      you seem to be calling for a war. as someone often accused of being a hawk I would answer, “ok. bring it on and lets settle this once and for all”. you can’t keep your cake and eat it as well. that applies to Israel as well as its arab enemies.

      • eljay on March 18, 2019, 7:37 am

        || DaBakr: … you can’t keep your cake and eat it as well. that applies to Israel as well as its arab enemies. ||

        I agree. Israel can’t claim to be a “moral beacon”, a “light unto the nations”, a “Western-style democracy” and a “progressive paradise” even as it continues deliberately and unapologetically to be a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

        Israel and its “arab enemies” (or Arab states and their Zionist enemy) need to focus on developing themselves as secular and democratic states:
        – within their respective / Partition borders;
        – of and for their respective citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally;
        – that strive to respect and uphold human rights and international laws and to honour their obligations thereunder.

  13. lipper213 on March 15, 2019, 5:11 pm

    In many ways the term “occupation” is a myth. Palestinians use it to denote that they still lack their own state; it is also a term that refers to the complete subjugation of their lives under the Israeli boot.
    However, an occupation by definition is temporary and this one has been going on, if you want to get real about it, since 1947-48. This is more than an occupation. What we should acknowledge is that the two state solution is dead. All the land from the river to the sea is therefore part of Israel and what Israel is doing is waging an asymmetric, brutal war against part of it’s population which is denied citizenship and other human rights.
    If we acknowledge that the 2SS is dead, then what we are left with is an apartheid state which should be subject as such to international sanctions and condemnation.
    Keeping the idea of the occupation alive prevents this. Israel can and has claimed that it is democratic and the occupied territories present a situation yet to be solved, a situation which in no way alters its
    “democratic” status.
    No, there is one state encompassing all and it should be condemned as an apartheid state. An apartheid state cannot be a democratic state.

    • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 9:04 am

      lipper213: “In many ways the term “occupation” is a myth. Palestinians use it to denote that they still lack their own state;”

      Nope. The State of Palestine redeclared in 1988 within 1967 lines and which became a UN non member state in 2012 is under belligerent occupation by Israel. Not even the Supreme Court of Israel denies that and bases its rulings on this legal framework.

      lipper213: “However, an occupation by definition is temporary and this one has been going on, if you want to get real about it, since 1947-48.”

      Whether since 1948 or since 1967 the occupation has become illegal a long time ago, because it violates not longer only temporary the Palestinian’s right to self determination.

      Allready in 1980 the Security Council reaffirmed in Sec Res 476

      1. […] the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      Which also debunks the Zionist hoax that Israel doesn’t have to withdraw its troops from all occupied territories, including Jerusalem.

      • mondonut on March 16, 2019, 3:55 pm

        @Talkback, Nope. The State of Palestine redeclared in 1988 within 1967 lines and which became a UN non member state in 2012 is under belligerent occupation by Israel.

        If that were the case then why does anyone think that Palestinians residing in Palestine (West Bank & Gaza) qualify as anything more than internally displaced? How are Palestinians within Palestine refugees?

      • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 8:42 pm

        mondonut: “If that were the case …”

        You are not seriously denying the fact that the State of Palestine is 1.) a UN-non-member state or that its territory 2.) is under belligerent occupation, are you?

        mondonut: “… why does anyone think that Palestinians residing in Palestine (West Bank & Gaza) qualify as anything more than internally displaced? How are Palestinians within Palestine refugees?”

        1) You are confusing “Palestine” with the “State of Palestine”.
        1.) The State of Palestine includes not only the West Bank and Gaza, but also East Jerusalem which is also under occupation.
        2.) In fact all of Jerusalem is under occupation according to the UN and its annexation by the de jure Apartheid state was deemed illegal also by the UN.
        3.) “Palestine” does not only include the territory of the State of Palestine, but also the territory of the self declared de jure Apartheid state of Israel.
        4.) They are not “internally” displaced, because they are not allowed to return to the territory of the de jure Apartheid state that keeps them expelled for racist reasons.
        5.) Even roughly 400.000 Palestinians residing within the de jure Apartheid state are “internally displaced”, because it doesn’t permit them to live in the homes they formerly lived in, even if they were in the same area, the property still exists, and they can show that they own it. The de jure Apartheid state uses the orwellian and self contradicting euphemism “present absentees” to refer to them.

      • mondonut on March 16, 2019, 11:29 pm

        @Talkback, or that its territory is under belligerent occupation…

        Yes. I am absolutely denying that Palestine’s territory is under belligerent occupation. While Palestine makes claim to territory in the West Bank, it does not now nor has it ever actually had territory there. The only place resembling sovereign Palestinian territory is Gaza which is not occupied by the Israelis.

        The remainder of your reply is confusing though, are you saying the Palestinians are internally displaced and not refugees?

      • Talkback on March 17, 2019, 6:47 am

        I forgot to add that there are indeed internally displaced persons within the territory of the State of Palestine who are not refugees. Palestinians whose East Jerusalem residency permit was revoked. Palestinians who were driven of their land to establish the illegal Apartheid wall where it is placed within Palestinan territory. Palestinians who were displaced to establish illegal settlements. Palestinians who were displaced according to the Apartheid’s state segregational zoning policy defined in the Oslo accords. (“Area A, B & C”). Probably 150.000 to 350.000 Palestinians. So we have alltogether about half a million Palestinians which the Apartheid state has “internally” displaced.

        Between 1967 and the Oslo Accords the Apartheid state revoked the residency rights of about a quarter million Nonjews.

        So we can safely say that the Apartheid state keeps about 6 Million Palestinians expelled and displaced to maintain Jewish dominance in Palestine which amounts to full bore Apartheid even if the Apartheid state had not officially declared itself a de jure Apartheid with its racist “nationality law”.

      • Talkback on March 17, 2019, 9:32 am

        mondonut: “Yes. I am absolutely denying that Palestine’s territory is under belligerent occupation. While Palestine makes claim to territory in the West Bank, it does not now nor has it ever actually had territory there.”

        ROFL. Well, this is not the first time you seem to be completely out of touch with reality. Maybe you should start reading Wikipedia to get at least some basic information:

        “Palestinian territories has been used for many years to describe the territories occupied by Israel since 1967, namely the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

        Do you also need to deny that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights were actually occupied by Israel in 1967? It is the Apartheid state that makes claims to territories it never owned or legally acquired (for example Jerusalem).

        mondonut: “The only place resembling sovereign Palestinian territory is Gaza which is not occupied by the Israelis.” Do you also need to deny that Israel illegaly annexed Jerusalem and the Golan Heights as condemned by the UN, it’s Security Council and without any US veto?

        So you are also confused. Nobody said that the Westbank was “souvereign” Palestinian territory. How could it be “souvereign” when it is under occupation?! And no, Gaza ist still occupied by Israel. Try Wikipedia again:

        “The international community regards all of the Palestinian territories including Gaza as occupied”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#Occupation

        The officail position of the UN:

        In February 2008 […] at a press briefing, a reporter pointed out to a U.N. spokesman that the secretary-general had told Arab League representatives that Gaza was still considered occupied.

        “Yes, the U.N. defines Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Occupied Palestinian Territory. No, that definition hasn’t changed,” the spokesman replied.

        Farhan Haq, spokesman for the secretary-general, told CNN Monday that the official status of Gaza would change only through a decision of the U.N. Security Council.
        http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/israel.gaza.occupation.question/

        In 2009, three years before Palestine became an UN non member state the Security Council stressed

        the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state,
        https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/96514396E8389A2C852575390051D574

        And Israel controls Gaza’s sea and air space. It monitors almost all movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza and regulates it according to Israeli interests. It collect import tax money and controls the Gaza population registry. Btw. the Nazis lost at the trials making the very same arguments that Israel is making.

        So what are you going to deny next, mondonut? We allready had the right of return which is a recognized right in international law according to the UNHCR. Now we have the denial that the Westbank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are under belligerent occupation. Is there room for more denial? How about: Palestinians don’t exist or are not a people?

        Do you even realize the incoherence in your nonsense when you rhetorically ask “How are Palestinians within Palestine refugees?” and then claim that “Palestine” has no territory in the Westbank? ROFL.

      • mondonut on March 17, 2019, 1:35 pm

        @Talkback, Well, this is not the first time you seem to be completely out of touch with reality.

        Your Wikipedia quote is, of course, irrelevant as it does not support your contention that the “State of Palestine” in under belligerent occupation. For the State of Palestine to be under belligerent occupation, the State of Palestine would have first required territory to be occupied. It does not, nor has it ever. Whatever the Israelis may or may not be occupying – it certainly is not the State of Palestine.

        I guess this is another of your “retroactive status” presumptions (like the non-existent RoR). The Palestinians make claim to land they do nor control, nor ever have, and presto-changeo, it magically becomes the State of Palestine under belligerent occupation.

      • Talkback on March 17, 2019, 3:15 pm

        mondonut: “For the State of Palestine to be under belligerent occupation, the State of Palestine would have first required territory to be occupied. It does not, nor has it ever.”

        A claim you wont’t be able to prove with any reference to international decisions or documents.

        modnonut: “Whatever the Israelis may or may not be occupying – it certainly is not the State of Palestine”

        The State of Palestine was declared within the green line. In these borders its statehood was acknowledged when this state became a UN non member state. Its territory (Gaza, Westbank and East Jerusalem) is considered to be under belligerent occupation by the UN. That’s also the reason why the Geneva Conventions are applicable and violated by Israel according to countless resolutions including those by the Security Council.

        mondonut: “I guess this is another of your “retroactive status” presumptions …”

        It’s not retroactive at all and its not my presumption, but the view of the international community and the UN. It’s funny that you always try to paint this as my personal view, allthough it is your view which is not backed by the international community and only by Israel’s right extremists fringe.

        What you are actually claiming is that there was no genocide against the Jews, because the Conventions on Genocide came after the genocide.

        mondonut: “… (like the non-existent RoR) …”

        A claim you wont’t be able to prove with any reference to international decisions or documents.

        The right of return is recognized within international law according to the UNHCR. Your repeated lie will not change this.

        mondonut: “The Palestinians make claim to land they do nor control …”

        Nope. The territories are called Palestinian territories in international law and the UN which also deems them to be occupied by Israel. The fact that Israel controls them gives Israel no title.

        Do you actually have any opinion which is in accordance with UNHCR, international law, the international community, the UN, its Security Council resolutions or the International Court of Justice? Anything which is not your personal “retroactive” nonsense? Can you actually backup any of your ludicrous claim? Nope, you never will. It’s just your personal nonsense. It has always been and will ever be. I dare you to prove me wrong and quote any international document or statement by the international community, the UN, any Human Rights organisation, the International Red Cross or the International Court of Justice.

      • YoniFalic on March 17, 2019, 4:42 pm

        Territory acquired during an armed conflict among parties including high contracting parties to the Geneva Conventions is under belligerent occupation (i.e, occupied by entity waging war). It’s purely a matter of definition. A person that knows nothing about international law should avoid babbling about international law and removing all doubt that he knows nothing.

      • Talkback on March 17, 2019, 7:04 pm

        Yoni Fallic: “A person that knows nothing about international law should avoid babbling about international law and removing all doubt that he knows nothing.”

        But that’s not his agenda which is to deny Palestinians any right that could be violated by Israel even if the evidence says otherwise. He phases out when he’s confronted with overwhelming evidence only to return some days later to repeat the same debunked nonsense again almost like a brainwashed person.

      • Mooser on March 18, 2019, 12:21 pm

        ” He phases out when he’s confronted with overwhelming evidence only to return some days later to repeat the same debunked nonsense again almost like a brainwashed person.”

        That’s the Ziocaine Syndrome!

      • mondonut on March 19, 2019, 12:52 am

        @Talkback,
        A claim you wont’t be able to prove with any reference to international decisions or documents.

        – You think international decisions or documents (what the hell are these?) would exist to prove a negative? That some body of jurisprudence would officially declare that the State of Palestine has never held territory? Maybe we can find these right alongside of the international decisions or documents the declare Wakanda has never held actual territory. But just so you know how these things work, if you declare that the State of Palestine has held sovereign territory – its on you to prove it.

        – Again with “international decisions or documents”? WTF? Again, it is your personal view because you keep inventing things.

        (like the non-existent RoR) …” A claim you wont’t be able to prove with any reference to international decisions or documents. And again with the international decisions or documents nonsense and the demand to prove a negative. The Palestinian RoR does not exist and neither you nor any of your like minded friends have proven it.

        – They may be called Palestinian territories by the UN but the are not, nor have even been the sovereign territory of the State of Palestine. Consequently, despite your ridiculous claim , the State of Palestine is not under belligerent occupation. And if you need some “international decisions or documents” to assist you with understanding this just refer to the 1993 Oslo Accords in which the Palestinians agreed that borders remained to be determined by agreement.

        – As for your silly challenge, if you make a claim that the State of Palestine is under belligerent occupation, it is on you to prove it. and you cannot, as the State of Palestine has never possessed territory that could be occupied. Claims to territory not controlled does not constitute are simply weak claims. Feel free to prove your assertion.

      • mondonut on March 19, 2019, 1:00 am

        YoniFalic, A person that knows nothing about international law…

        Exactly. Requirements of high contracting parties applies when both States are high contracting parties. Israel and who?

        BTW, pay a little more attention, it was never a question of how occupation is defined. The claim was that the State of Palestine is under belligerent occupation. Which of course is nonsense because that state has never held territory that could be occupied.

      • mondonut on March 19, 2019, 1:03 am

        @Talkback He phases out when he’s confronted with overwhelming evidence

        Too funny. You have yet to provide a shred of evidence that the State of Palestine has ever had territory that could be occupied.

      • Talkback on March 19, 2019, 10:31 am

        mondonut: “You have yet to provide a shred of evidence that the State of Palestine has ever had territory that could be occupied.”

        You allreadly know that the State of Palestine was declared within 1967 lines in 1988 after Jordan relinquished it and officially gave it back to the Palestinians. You allready know that its statehood was acknowledged within the UN in 2012 when it became a UN non member state. You allready know that the UN and its Security Council considers the “Palestinian terrritories” within 67 lines to be occupied by Israel which are Gaza, Westbank and East-Jerusalem. And you allready know that Israel never legally acquired any of these territories.

        From the UN resolution that accorded to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations:
        “1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;”
        https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/5ba47a5c6cef541b802563e000493b8c/19862d03c564fa2c85257acb004ee69b?OpenDocument

        But you just have to deny anything by default and repeatedly and act like a Hasbara troll. That’s a Zionist fate.

      • Talkback on March 19, 2019, 10:47 am

        mondonut: “Exactly. Requirements of high contracting parties applies when both States are high contracting parties. Israel and who?”

        What does this even mean? What does “Requirements of high contracting parties applies when both States are high contracting parties.” mean in this context? Do you even understand what you are saying?

        And have a guess which high contracting party ratified the Geneva Conventions and ALL of its additional protocols (in 2014) AND the Rome statute of the International Crime Court (in 2016)?

        Here’s a hint: Obviously it isn’t your beloved criminal Apartheid state.

      • Talkback on March 19, 2019, 11:34 am

        mondonut: “You think international decisions or documents (what the hell are these?) would exist to prove a negative? That some body of jurisprudence would officially declare that the State of Palestine has never held territory?”

        Your just twisting your arguments on the fly. Show us any international document that proves any of your claims. In this case you could prove that the UN DID NOT declare Gaza the Westbank and East Jerusalem as “occupied Palestinian territory”, or that it declared it a terra nullius, a “disputed territory”, Israeli territory or anything else.

        And “holding” a territory is something different from “owning” a territory or being entitled to a territory. Your mind seems to be stuck in colonial times which is no surprise since Israel is nothing but a anachronistic settler state.

        mondonut: “And again with the international decisions or documents nonsense and the demand to prove a negative.”

        Again, you could prove that the UNHCR is wrong that the right of return is recognized in international law. You could prove that the Crime of Apartheid doesn’t include the denial of the right of return. Anything, just anything that could prove that the “right to return” is not existent despite the fact that it is present in multiple international treatites.

        mondonut: “They may be called Palestinian territories by the UN but the are not, nor have even been the sovereign territory of the State of Palestine.”

        Territory can’t be souvereign. Again, you don’t know what you are talking about. States can be souvereign or not. They are not when they are under occupation. In this case they are only de jure souvereign, but not de facto.

        And the Palestinian territories are the territories of the State of Palestine as reaffirmed by the UN when the State of Palestine became a UN non member state.

        mondonut: “… the State of Palestine is not under belligerent occupation.”

        Of course it is. Not only its capital East Jerusalm, but also all of its territories according to the UN.

        mondonut: “… just refer to the 1993 Oslo Accords in which the Palestinians agreed that borders remained to be determined by agreement.

        If that’s the really case it’s not going to be a problem to quote from it, is it?

        mondonut: “Feel free to prove your assertion.”

        Feel free to answer this question. How can the State of Palestine be a State Party to the Rome statute and bring the International Court of Crime to open preliminary examinations regarding alleged Israeli war crimes on its territory, if it has no territory which is identical to what has been called “Palestinian occupied territories” in the past?

        “On 22 May 2018, pursuant to articles 13(a) and 14 of the Rome Statute, the Government of Palestine (”Palestine”), a State Party to the Rome Statute, referred to the Prosecutor the situation in Palestine since 13 June 2014, with no end date.”
        https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine

      • YoniFalic on March 20, 2019, 8:40 am

        Exactly. Requirements of high contracting parties applies when both States are high contracting parties. Israel and who?

        I am a careful reader. A occupation over territory is established when territory is taken in an armed conflict between parties, and one of them is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. The territories that Israel took or occupied in 1967 are occupied.

        I probably would not have written the State of Palestine is … under belligerent occupation. I would have written territory of the State of Palestine is under belligerent occupation. Yet Talkback’s initial comment is certainly supported in legal concepts from Anglo-American common law and from international conventional law.

        Mandatory Palestine was a dependent state within the League of Nations mandate system, and the State of Palestine in formation can claim to be a successor state.

        Mondonut is clueless with respect to international conventional and customary law. He should stop scribbling. It is painful to read.

      • Talkback on March 20, 2019, 9:33 am

        YoniFalic: “A occupation over territory is established when territory is taken in an armed conflict between parties, and one of them is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. The territories that Israel took or occupied in 1967 are occupied.”

        According to the ICJ Article 2 of the IV. Geneva Convention applies. It schooled Israel by saying that one should interpret the IV. Geneva Convention in good faith.

        YoniFalic: “I probably would not have written the State of Palestine is … under belligerent occupation. I would have written territory of the State of Palestine is under belligerent occupation.”

        Oh that’s totally fine by me.

        Now I wonder what mondonut is going to say about the fact that the Goverment of the State of Palestine has instructed the ICC to investigate crimes that are commited own its occupied territory (Westbank, Gaza, East Jerusalem) by Israel, if the State of Palestine has – according to mondonut – no territory.

        United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19

        1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967

        2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice

        Statement by ICC Prosecutor, Mrs Fatou Bensouda, on the referral submitted by Palestine

        Today, 22 May 2018, I received a referral from the Government of the State of Palestine (“Palestine”), a State Party to the Rome Statute, regarding the situation in Palestine since 13 June 2014 with no end date.

        Specifically, pursuant to articles 13(a) and 14 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (“ICC” or “Court”), the State of Palestine “requests the Prosecutor to investigate, in accordance with the temporal jurisdiction of the Court, past, ongoing and future crimes within the court’s jurisdiction, committed in all parts of the territory of the State of Palestine”. Pursuant to Regulation 45 of the Regulations of the Court, I have informed the ICC Presidency of this referral.
        https://www.icc-cpi.int//Pages/item.aspx?name=180522-otp-stat

    • Sibiriak on March 17, 2019, 12:40 am

      lipper213: ….an occupation by definition is temporary….
      ————————————————————————-

      As MW legal scholar “Hostage” used to point out, a state under occupation continues to exist as a state, and there is no necessary time limit on that status:

      The Restatement (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States § 201 Reporter’s Note 3 says: “The United States will treat States the territory of which is under foreign military occupation as continuing to exist.”

      The United States refused to recognize the unilateral annexation of the Baltic states by the Soviet Union for 60 years.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/contractually-obligated-americans/
      (emphasis added)

      • Talkback on March 19, 2019, 11:39 am

        Well, in this case the pre 48 Palestinian state under mandate still exists allthough in total or parts of it under Israeli occupation.

  14. klm90046 on March 15, 2019, 9:08 pm

    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that…I want to tell you something very clearly: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, and the Americans know it.”
    Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Minister Shimon Peres.
    Kol Yisrael Radio, Palestine. October 3, 2001

    • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 9:08 am

      This quote may be not verifiable by serious sources. But I might be wrong. Care to provide one?

      • annie on March 16, 2019, 11:18 am

        allegedly “Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.” and unverified.

        https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Ariel_Sharon

      • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 1:02 pm

        Annie, that’s a different quote and date.

      • annie on March 16, 2019, 3:28 pm

        not sure how i made that error talkback. i must have still been dreaming.

      • Talkback on March 16, 2019, 6:07 pm

        And I thought I was. LOL.

  15. Citizen on March 18, 2019, 10:26 am

    These are the primary Israeli lobbies that control the U.S. Congress via campaign funding and raw political power https://galacticconnection.com/these-are-the-primary-israeli-lobbies-that-control-the-u-s-congress-via-campaign-funding-and-raw-political-power/

    SO: Not Breaking News: Trump Administration Does Not Believe in Occupation https://lobelog.com/not-breaking-news-trump-administration-does-not-believe-in-occupation/ via @lobelog

    Too: Erasing #Israel’s Occupation: The Pernicious Role of Congress https://lobelog.com/erasing-occupation-the-pernicious-role-of-congress/ via @lobelog

  16. Ossinev on March 18, 2019, 2:38 pm

    @dabakr
    “ok. bring it on and lets settle this once and for all”

    OMG are you advocating for the most moral to seriously increase their 3.a.m. Blitkreigs on the homes of innocent Palestinian families in the Occupied West Bank and their safely remote carpet bombing of Gaza. I expect you will be first in line to volunteer your services for OWB duties since there is zero risk involved.

    Have to say and I think the average psychiatrist would agree with me that a grotesque pissed up bar room brawler type statement such as yours is indicative of a grotesque pissed up bar room brawler personality(disorder). I do hope that a responsible adult is keeping you on a leash and monitoring your screen time habits.

    Oh for what it`s worth I disagree with KLM. The Palestinians don`t deserve nor do they need another ” war “. Their independence (ie full civil rights and full equality ) will come about naturally as the racist Ziocolonial enterprise progressively implodes and the stinking remnants float away into the sewer of history.

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