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On Thursday, Yossi Klein Halevi, the author and Israel advocate, said that the left has “weaponized” the Holocaust against Israel. Speaking on i24 News on the 75th anniversary of the Auschwitz liberation, he said that he “frequently” hears leftwingers saying of Israel, “How can you do the same thing to Palestinians” that was done to Jews during the Holocaust.

I have never heard this charge from the left in the context of European genocide. Many critics of Israel have said that Israelis have internalized the Nazi trauma by making Palestinians into Jews, and therefore subhuman. Many on the left say that Israeli actions mimic certain Nazi persecutions of Jews; I and others have compared the Gaza blockade to the Warsaw Ghetto. But Auschwitz and the extermination? I haven’t heard any rational person argue that Israel is doing the same thing to Palestinians.

Halevi is sounding the new ban on any criticism of Israel the invokes the Holocaust. Such criticism is automatically deemed antisemitic under the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition that has now been widely adopted in the west.

Right on time: a BBC reporter is being smeared as an antisemite for criticizing Israel for overplaying the victim card.

Orla Guerin of the BBC

Orla Guerin reported from Jerusalem ahead of the ceremony commemorating the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz:

“In Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names, images of the dead. Young soldiers troop in to share in the binding tragedy of the Jewish people. The state of Israel is now a regional power. For decades, it has occupied Palestinian territories. But some here will always see their nation through the prism of persecution and survival.”

Two former BBC executives and Jewish leaders said the comment was “antisemitic,” according to the Guardian. Danny Cohen, a former BBC television exec, said:

“The attempt to link the horrors of the Holocaust to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is deeply offensive and upsetting. It was unnecessary, insensitive and particularly ugly in the days before Holocaust Memorial Day.”

While

Amanda Bowman, the vice-president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said the report was “crass and offensive” and questioned Guerin’s lack of impartiality on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This shows how they use even the mentioning of Palestinian oppression as qualifying as antisemitic, Jonathan Ofir points out. They are licensed by the IHRA playbook: “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.”

P.S. Yossi Klein Halevi has said “there is no Judaism without Zionism,” and anti-Zionist Jews are outside the Jewish community. This is a man of influence. Halevi was the go-to expert for the former New York Times correspondent in Israel, Jodi Rudoren, now editor of the Forward. And Halevi has been sponsored in the U.S. by both the rightwing Israel lobby, AIPAC, and the leftleaning branch, J Street. J Street seems to accept Halevi’s redlines, for it invites no anti-Zionist Jews to speak.

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  1. eljay on January 25, 2020, 2:24 pm

    On Thursday, Yossi Klein Halevi, the author and Israel advocate, said … that he “frequently” hears leftwingers saying of Israel, “How can you do the same thing to Palestinians” that was done to Jews during the Holocaust. …

    That’s a valid question:
    – about which Zionists can and do get indignant (or feign indignation);
    – around which they can and do tiptoe and dance; but
    – for which none of them has a valid, morality-based reply.

    … P.S. Yossi Klein Halevi has said “there is no Judaism without Zionism,” and anti-Zionist Jews are outside the Jewish community. …

    Zionists are disturbingly good at being anti-Semitic.

  2. JohnSmith on January 25, 2020, 2:48 pm

    The truth hurts the tiny Nazi hearts of the Zionists.

    I’ve been fantasizing in the past few days about creating a design for a t-shirt or poster campaign that reads “Judaism is not Zionism. Judaism is not racist and apartheidist.”

    Or something along those lines.

    • JWalters on January 26, 2020, 5:00 am

      I’d suggest making Zionism the focus, as in
      “Zionism is not Judaism”.

      A key corollary would be
      “Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism”.

      The reason would be
      “Zionism is racist apartheid”.

      Best wishes on your design.

    • Deanburn on January 26, 2020, 11:19 am

      Very good. Please letme know when it will be available.

  3. Misterioso on January 25, 2020, 3:22 pm

    A righteous Jew steps forth and tells it like it is:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-exploits-the-holocaust-to-brutalize-the-palestinians-1.8437715

    “Netanyahu Exploits the Holocaust to Brutalize the Palestinians” Haaretz, Jan. 23/20, by Hagai El-ad, executive director of B’Tselem.

    “Netanyahu didn’t invent the idea of leveraging the Holocaust for political gain. Yet he is taking even that low to new depths, stripping Palestinians of basic human rights in the name of the survivors of the Holocaust.”

    “Benjamin Netanyahu did not invent the idea of leveraging the Holocaust for political gain. Yet, like so much else in current Israeli politics, he is taking even that low to new depths.

    “According to Haaretz, Israel’s prime minister intends to exploit the Fifth World Holocaust Forum – convening this week in Jerusalem to mark 75 years since the liberation of Auschwitz – to call on world leaders to publicly back Israel’s self-serving position that the International Criminal Court in The Hague has no jurisdiction in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    “Netanyahu began this exercise barely 48 hours after ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda announced last month, after five years of preliminary examination, that she is ready to open an investigation into potential war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza, pending an ICC judicial decision on jurisdiction.

    “Wasting no time, Netanyahu responded that ‘new edicts are being issued against the Jewish people – anti-Semitic edicts by the International Criminal Court.’

    “This cynical reframing is staggering, both intellectually and morally.

    “The Palestinians who live under Israel’s occupation are a people bereft of rights. For decades, their existence has been governed by the arbitrary whims of their occupiers. They cannot vote for the government that controls every aspect of their lives. They have no army to defend themselves. They do not control the borders of their own territory, or their ability to travel abroad, or even how long it will take them to get to the nearest Palestinian town – if even allowed to do so.

    “They also have no recourse to justice through Israel’s legal mechanisms. Israeli prosecutors and judges process Palestinians in the occupied territories through a ‘justice system’ that delivers an almost 100 percent conviction rate. At the same time, this system works to ensure impunity for Israeli security forces who kill, abuse or torture them.

    “For Palestinians, quite literally, the International Criminal Court is their court of last resort. Yet Netanyahu, backed by Israel’s entire political leadership, is trying to quash even this faint hope.

    “How dehumanizing, to insist on denying a people’s last recourse to even an uncertain, belated, modicum of justice. How degrading to do so while standing on the shoulders of Holocaust survivors, insisting that this is somehow being carried out in their name.

    “What a lack of historical memory and moral compass it must take to ignore the key lesson the world gleaned from the ashes of the 1940s: that no person should ever, under any circumstance, be left bare of rights, precisely because – as the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights tells us – ‘disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind.’

    “But Netanyahu goes even further, arguing that the very same ashes give rise to the opposite conclusion: that there is a people – the Palestinian people – who should remain bare of rights under all circumstances.

    “A bare life with neither land nor ballot, court nor justice. Where freedom of movement extends only as far as the nearest checkpoint. Where soldiers can enter any home, at any time. Where the only constant is how little control one has over one’s life.

    “Shame on you, Prime Minister Netanyahu. Shame, also, on any world leader who goes along with the travesty of equating a people’s attempt to achieve justice with anti-Semitism. Taking this cowardly position does not only betray the Palestinians’ hope for freedom and dignity. It joins in the slow death of the lessons that have guided humanity for the past 75 years and are now drowning in the rising authoritarian tide around the world.

    “This is not the world that humanity tried to build after World War II, after the Holocaust – but it is the world of Putin and Trump, Modi and Orbán, Netanyahu and Bolsonaro. Indeed, we are already living in their cowardly new world. Yet it remains in our hands to decide if the past’s painful lessons will be allowed to be turned on their head in order to further oppression – or remain loyal to a vision of freedom and dignity, justice and rights, for all.”

    • Egbert on January 26, 2020, 6:48 am

      “but it is the world of Putin and Trump, Modi and Orbán, Netanyahu and Bolsonaro. Indeed, we are already living in their cowardly new world. ”

      Putin and Soleimani were the two men responsible for the destruction of ISIS in Syria, an Israeli-supported terror group intended to destroy Iraq, Syria and possibly Iran for the benefit of Israel. Russian armed forces died truly heroically doing this.

      Here is ‘evil’ Putin in action in the Occupied Territories – giving respect to his Palestinian honor guard. He has also invited Abbas to Russia’s Victory Day parade.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-6O55Bf2Sk

      He also wants International Law guided by the UN Charter to be reconstituted outside the US/Zionist death-grip. Whether that is possible remains unknown.

      https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/01/23/putin-calls-for-new-system-guided-by-un-charter-but-possible/

      The man is truly evil and cowardly.

    • Deanburn on January 26, 2020, 2:56 pm

      Thank you, you are so right.
      I am horrified and very fearful for the future for our children and the generations to follow.
      The only lesson to remember is that oppressors never ever reign for ever they are always bought down eventually.
      Without this oppression, it seems to me, there could be amazing innovations and advances we could be making if everyone had the same good education for a start and decent living options.
      No one needs to have billions in their holdings, so unless they are nought-aholics they could pay their taxes so with, the taxes we pay, they could go on the essential schools, NHS, police and general infrastructure of life.

  4. Naftush on January 26, 2020, 12:44 am

    Phil hasn’t visited MW’s Facebook page. Commenters put forward the noxious equation right there, repeatedly–up front or in cowardly innuendo form (“It’s a good question”; “It’s my First Amendment right”). Or is he merely disputing the wingedness of these cretins?

    • DaBakr on January 28, 2020, 1:24 am

      @n

      ….and have been for many years. it’s their go to defense of their self-righteous opinions about Zionism and Jewish nationalism. As always with he far left….Arab nationalism is idolized and romanticized while Israel is vilified . And people here wonder why the term self-hating Jew is thrown around. Imagine what would happen to a Palestinian Arab who voiciferously heaped praise on the Israeli system of democracy. Would they survive without incarceration or worse for even a week?
      But that is an ‘off limits’ topic to the far left, very likely to raise accusations of so-called racism. So be it.

      • Talkback on January 28, 2020, 11:26 am

        DaBakr: “Imagine what would happen to a Palestinian Arab who voiciferously heaped praise on the Israeli system of democracy.”

        I don’t know of any Palestinian who would be stupid enough to call this Palestian Arab a “self-hater”. The most they would call him is a Zionist or a traitor.

        Now that I’m thinking about it I don’t know of any people who call one of their own a “self-hater”. That seems to be a Jew-only idiocy.

      • eljay on January 28, 2020, 11:31 am

        || @Daar: … Imagine what would happen to a Palestinian Arab who voiciferously heaped praise on the Israeli system of democracy. Would they survive without incarceration or worse for even a week? … ||

        You can always count on a Zionist to defend Israel using the argument Murderers exist, so it’s OK to rape.

  5. rlhsoft on January 26, 2020, 9:07 am

    “Amanda Bowman, the vice-president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said the report was “crass and offensive” and questioned Guerin’s lack of impartiality on the Israel-Palestine conflict.”

    “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

    Eli Wiesel

    … source for the goose perhaps but not the gander?

    • edwardm on January 26, 2020, 10:59 am

      Since mountebank Wiesel, upon fleeing Germany, went to work for the terrorist Irgun (who routinely raped harassed and murdered people) the answer is obvious.”Do unto others what we would never have done to us”. He was a consummate hypocrite.

      • eljay on January 26, 2020, 12:15 pm

        || edwardm: … ”Do unto others what we would never have done to us”. …. ||

        The “right” of people who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them is one of the core tenets of Zionism (along with the “right” to be supremacists and to have as large as possible a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”).

      • Misterioso on January 26, 2020, 8:51 pm

        @edwardm, et al
        For the record regarding the late Elie Wiesel:

        While he rightfully protested the desecration of Jewish graves anywhere in the world, he had nothing to say when the Arab cemetery at Deir Yassin was bulldozed along with hundreds of others throughout Palestine by Zionists. Nor did he publicly mention that from November 1947 to January 1949, he worked as a journalist for the Irgun newspaper, Zion in Kamf (Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, October/November 1997) and was surely informed about the massive slaughter of defenseless Palestinians that occurred at Deir Yassin on 9 April 1948.

        He consistently turned a blind eye to Zionist crimes committed against the indigenous Palestinians. Although their identities are common knowledge, he never pointed his finger at those responsible for the massacre at Deir Yassin, which used to exist only 1400 meters north of the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem.

        Also:
        http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2010/05/27/open-letter-elie-wiesel/
        New York Review of Books, May 27, 2010

        “An Open Letter to Elie Wiesel”
        By Avner Inbar and Assaf Sharon

        Excerpts:
        “In a recent public letter to President Obama, Elie Wiesel urged the President not to ‘pressure’ Israel to cease settlement activity in Jerusalem.”

        “According to Wiesel:
        ”‘For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture—and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming…. To many theologians, it IS Jewish history…. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming…. Contrary to certain media reports, Jews, Christians and Muslims ARE allowed to build their homes anywhere in the city. The anguish over Jerusalem is not about real estate but about memory.’”

        “The views expressed by Wiesel are not shared by a growing movement of Israelis who oppose the continued expansion of settlements and who have been protesting the eviction by the Israeli government of Palestinian residents of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. These Israelis have responded to Mr. Wiesel in the following letter. Among the one hundred signers are Israel Prize Laureates Avishai Margalit and Zeev Sternhell, former Knesset Speaker and Jewish Agency Chairman Avrum Burg, Professors David Shulman and Moshe Halbertal, former Knesset member Zehava Galan, and other Jerusalemites, many of whom are prominent intellectuals and academics.”
        Signed: Avner Inbar and Assaf Sharon

        “Dear Mr. Wiesel: ‘We write to you from Jerusalem to convey our frustration, even outrage, at your recently published letter on Jerusalem. We are Jewish Jerusalemites—residents by choice of a battered city, a city used and abused, ransacked time and again first by foreign conquerors and now by its own politicians. We cannot recognize our city in the sentimental abstraction you call by its name.’

        “’We invite you to our city to view with your own eyes the catastrophic effects of the frenzy of construction. You will witness that, contrary to some media reports, Arabs are not allowed to build their homes anywhere in Jerusalem. You will see the gross inequality in allocation of municipal resources and services between east and west. We will take you to Sheikh Jarrah, where Palestinian families are being evicted from their homes to make room for a new Jewish neighborhood, and to Silwan, where dozens of houses face demolition because of the Jerusalem Municipality’s refusal to issue building permits to Palestinians.’”

  6. Talkback on January 26, 2020, 12:00 pm

    Phil: “But Auschwitz and the extermination? I haven’t heard any rational person argue that Israel is doing the same thing to Palestinians.”

    As no rational person would argue that Apartheid Israel is doing the “same” thing to Palestinians that Apartheid South Africa did to black South Africans. Apartheid can have many faces. So can genocide:
    The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective
    https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palestinian-people-international-law-and-human-rights-perspective

    Phil: “They are licensed by the IHRA playbook: “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.”

    Again, that’s not the IHRA playbook. The IHRA definition only refers to the first two sentences. The rest is the Zionist playbook. And even this one says that it is not necesserely antisemitic per se, but context dependent.

    More info:
    “Six Reasons why no one should adopt the so-called “EUMC” or IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism”
    https://www.eccpalestine.org/six-reasons-why-no-one-should-adopt-the-so-called-eumc-or-ihra-working-definition-of-antisemitism/

    If Jews as a whole are not targeted, simply because they are Jews it can’t be antisemitism. At the core of any antismemitism is the invention of the defamatory prototype “The Jew”. It’s Jewish racist who want to make us believe that it’s antisemitic as soon as at least one target happens to be “A Jew”.

    • Mooser on January 26, 2020, 2:12 pm

      “At the core of any antismemitism is the invention of the defamatory prototype “The Jew”.”

      Or even “the Jews as such”. (That phrase made a deep impression on me, since the first time I saw it I didn’t have my glasses ,which I couldn’t find because I didn’t have my glasses, and I read it as ‘Jews as sushi’.)

      • Talkback on January 26, 2020, 4:31 pm

        Mooser: “Or even “the Jews as such”.”

        In this case “Jews as such” or “Jews qua Jews” is not used descriptively, but to indicate that there no other factors. If Jews are targeted “as such” or “qua Jews” that means that being Jews is the only factor why they are targeted. Antisemites have an antisemtic defintion of Jews and therefore think that it is justified to hate or target them, simply because they are Jews.

      • Mooser on January 26, 2020, 10:20 pm

        ” Antisemites have an antisemtic defintion of Jews and therefore think that it is justified to hate or target them, simply because they are Jews.”

        So that’s why it is always “Jon s”, “wj” or “jrg” that use the phrase “Jews as such”. So they can imply that whatever offends them must offend all Jews because of the essential and inherent and universal quality Jews have in common.

      • Talkback on January 27, 2020, 11:34 am

        mooser: “So that’s why it is always “Jon s”, “wj” or “jrg” that use the phrase “Jews as such”.

        I use it, too, all the time.

        mooser: “So they can imply that whatever offends them must offend all Jews because of the essential and inherent and universal quality Jews have in common. ”

        Just no. “Jews as such” simply refers to the fact that the ONLY factor why Jews were targeted was because they are Jews. They were targeted as Jews as such.

        Another example: I don’t have a problem with taxation as such. But I do have a problem with taxation, if Israel get’s billion dollars a year from our tax money and anybody claims that there’s not enough money to provide health care for 911 first responders.

        That means that I don’t have a problem with taxation for the ONLY reason because it is a taxation and I have to pay it. There are other factors, why taxation is a problem for me, because I think that some of these taxes are misspend.

      • Mooser on January 27, 2020, 1:46 pm

        “but to indicate that there no other factors.”

        Exactly. So what is the Jewish factor, which excluding everything else, makes us ‘Jews as such’?

        As for me, as soon as the accuser, the accuser, uses a formulation like “Jews as such” or “qua” (?… it’s not in my Yiddish glossary)
        they are more suspect than the person they accuse.

    • Keith on January 26, 2020, 5:44 pm

      TALKBACK- “If Jews as a whole are not targeted, simply because they are Jews it can’t be antisemitism.”

      Those with the power to establish definitions and to enforce compliance will make the determination. Legalistic argument carries little weight with those who have the power to enforce their agenda. Power is the ultimate arbiter.

    • wondering jew on January 26, 2020, 7:51 pm

      Talkback- I think it is valid to attempt a definition of antisemitism, particularly because the confusion of anti Zionism and anti Semitism has blurred the issue rather than clarified it.

      Still I think you overstep the bounds of this attempt by:

      If Jews as a whole are not targeted, simply because they are Jews it can’t be antisemitism. At the core of any antisemitism is the invention of the defamatory prototype “The Jew”. It’s Jewish racist who want to make us believe that it’s antisemitic as soon as at least one target happens to be “A Jew”.

      For now let’s deal with “if jews as a whole are not targeted, simply because they are Jews it can’t be antisemitism”

      According to this if you oppose only Jews who have not converted to Christianity or only Jews who follow the Torah, then you can’t be antisemitic, because you have only targeted some Jews and not all Jews, and I think this is “preposterous”.
      If you oppose only Jews who are intellectuals and grant a pass to any Jew who earns his living by being a farmer or “labor”, then you can’t be an antisemite. again this is silly.
      If you oppose only Jews who attempt to assimilate or only Jews who refuse to assimilate, then you can’t be antisemitic according to your definition. Silly.

      • MHughes976 on January 27, 2020, 10:50 am

        We do need to distinguish between reason and prejudice. By anti-S we surely mean a form of prejudice. Reasoned objections to what is done by people who are Jewish need not involve prejudice. If we see signs that the objections are being exaggerated or intensified by the fact that Jewish people are involved – would be much slighter if those involved were of other ethnicity – we may start to think that prejudice is involved: ie that the objection is not to what is done but to the people who do it and specifically to their Jewish status. But none of that detracts from the force of reason, if reason too is at work, and from the validity of the objections based on it.

      • Talkback on January 27, 2020, 12:11 pm

        wondering jew: “Still I think you overstep the bounds of this attempt by:”`

        Oh vey, this is not going to end well for you. Please never forget that it wasn’t my fault.

        wondering jew: “According to this if you oppose only Jews who have not converted to Christianity or only Jews who follow the Torah, then you can’t be antisemitic, because you have only targeted some Jews and not all Jews, and I think this is “preposterous”.
        If you oppose only Jews who are intellectuals and grant a pass to any Jew who earns his living by being a farmer or “labor”, then you can’t be an antisemite. again this is silly.
        If you oppose only Jews who attempt to assimilate or only Jews who refuse to assimilate, then you can’t be antisemitic according to your definition. Silly.”

        Let’s reduce that to one example:
        If I oppose Jews who agree with you on this and not Jews who don’t agree with you, I hate Jews according to you, because my opposition was not against your opinion and those who agree with you, but against Jews. How dare I?! Isn’t it antisemitic to oppose anyone who happens to be Jewish? That’s almost blasphemous. At least according to the definition of “antisemitism” by Jewish surpremacists.

        And I oppose Jews who are supremacists and think that Nonjews are lesser human beings or not human at all. And that’s antisemitic, too, at least according to a Jewish supremacist and opinion fascist like you, isn’t it.

        But wait, you oppose me and if you may also oppose (other) Jews who agree with me. Wow, you are acutally an antisemite. At least according to you.

      • DaBakr on January 28, 2020, 1:31 am

        Jews are the only folks I can think of offhand that have to argue about who and what exactly defines Jew hatred. If this were applied to black, Hispanic, trans, gay or other folks it would be grounds for high ridicule from the far left so-called progressive left. Jews are simply unique with regards to jew hatred. What other minority is constantly accused of controlling everything on the planet.? Damn right Jews get to define what Jew hatred is, at least until ‘intersectionality’ dies it’s ugly death.
        Exhibit A: Linda Sarsours transformation from white Muslim chick to a woman of “colour” fighting for intersectionality with the sole exclusion of Zionists who are merely privileged ‘white folks’ unlike her lily white ass.

        Jews , wether European, Sephardic or Arab are every bit as ‘brown’ as the Caucasian sarsour, maybe more so. The left has redefined the concept of minority based on an idiotic conception of what race and DNA is for a childish definition based on the tone of ones skin. With even 1% of so-called ‘black’ DNA making them a person “of colour” and therefore of no privilege (as if Obama didn’t have a privileged upbringing and nobody ever talks about his so-called ‘whiteness’

      • Talkback on January 28, 2020, 11:23 am

        DaBakr: “Jews are the only folks I can think of offhand that have to argue about who and what exactly defines Jew hatred.”

        The reason for that is the inflationary, hysterical, methodological, hyperbolical and flat out imbecile accusation of hatred. Just take ANY accusation against Israel, throw it against another country and then see if you can count the same amount of cry-babies that whine about hatred.

        With all the accusations against Russia or Iran for example, have they EVER accused the accusers of hatred? That’s just an Israel speciality. Allthough I have to say that the US is catching up with their “They hate our freedom” idiocy very fast. Immature idiots.

      • Mooser on January 28, 2020, 4:14 pm

        DaBakr: “Jews are the only folks I can think of offhand that have to argue about who and what exactly defines Jew hatred.”

        Well, that’s only natural, as Zionism climbs into bed with right-wing ideology. Yeah, a whole lot of things once considered anti-semitic will have to be ignored.

  7. Daedalus on January 26, 2020, 12:23 pm

    Once upon a time, way back in 1970, I worked in the Biochemistry Dept. of a medical school. The aftermath of the 1967 War was in the news. In particular, this included Israeli treatment of the refugees and, of course, the fact that the War had been ‘pre-emptive’ rather than defensive.

    At the time, I would engage a certain ‘post-doc’ in informal debate concerning both the questionable morality and the illegal (International) nature of a ‘pre-emptive war’. After all, this was how Hitler justified some of his early ‘Blitzkrieg’ adventures. I would point out, also, the obvious suffering of those civilian refugees and such who were left under Israeli control in the newly-acquired territory.

    The post-doc, being a Zionist sympathizer, would always strain to justify whatever Israel did, no matter the new and more damning evidence coming to light. Then, one day, he finally let the mask drop. Confronted with some new atrocity, he suddenly broke into a haughty sneer and in a loud voice said (of the Palestinians, in this case), “Who cares! They’re animals!”. Then after a short pause, as he physically retreated, “They’re Animals!”.

    The graduate students looked on, aghast.

    I think of this incident often, now. I’m sure I saw the true nature of a Zionist, one that is always there but seldom revealed.

    • Deanburn on January 26, 2020, 3:02 pm

      You are right.
      How do people come to despise and belittle other human beings?

      • Talkback on January 26, 2020, 3:48 pm

        Indoctrination.

    • oldgeezer on January 26, 2020, 8:52 pm

      I will forever wonder if that individual was yf/wondering jew. So much like him in any event.

      • Talkback on January 28, 2020, 11:18 am

        DaBakr: “Pre-emptive is comfortably within the definition of ‘defensive’. Go ahead, look it up.”

        I did and you are wrong as usual:
        “The initiation of armed conflict: that is being the first to ‘break the peace’ when no ‘armed attack’ has yet occurred, is not permitted by the UN Charter, unless authorized by the UN Security Council as an enforcement action.”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

    • DaBakr on January 28, 2020, 2:02 am

      Pre-emptive is comfortably within the definition of ‘defensive’. Go ahead, look it up. During Obama’s presidency Iran resorted to preemptive attacks and harassment of US fleets operating international waters to keep he US from any of their own aggressive acts. And trump preemptively took out a general instead of bombing an entire city. Does anybody seriously think the mullah and the IRG are lamenting a 1953 ouster of a socialist/ communist leader? Hah. The mossedegh overthrow is just a lame excuse for the mullah regimes hatred of all things US and Israel. To the point where average non-extremist Iranians are embarrased by the regime in the eyes of the world. I mean come on….wiping feet on American flags ? What are they, in fourth grade. Love to see the lefts reaction if Israel laid out huge Iranian flags to desecrate. But then, the government would never sanction that, as would not the US. A sure sign that the mullah regime is going down the toilet, if not sooner then not to far later.

  8. bcg on January 26, 2020, 12:53 pm

    “The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes” by Avraham Burg.
    Here’s part of one Amazon review:

    The central theme of this book that Jews, Israelis and Zionists have allowed the Shoah (Holocaust) to shackle them; and how the Zionist movement have effectively exploited the Shoah and its memories and its survivors for political purposes…No question about it; this book scratches many taboos in the Jewish community and will challenge them to the core….On the other hand, if you are a Palestinian or a supporter of the Palestinian cause; you will find this book a great great disappointment. The word “Palestinian” was not mentioned until page 50 or so and when Mr. Burg spoke about them, he lectured Palestinians on what they should and should not do, such as giving up their right of return to their homes and farms which they have been dispossessed and ethnically cleansed from. In my opinion; this tells me that deep at heart Mr. Burg is still a Zionist and he delude himself in attempting to “reform” Zionism instead of abolishing it; sadly Zionism is beyond repair and in a way this great book is a major indictment against Zionist and its supporters. The central problem with Zionists (inclusive of Mr. Burg) that they think they have the “right” to immigrate to Palestine irrespective of the wishes of the indigenous populations’, no wonder how most Zionists Jews actually believe that Palestine was empty; it is easier to colonize other countries when the indigenous population simply do not exist;…

  9. MRD on January 26, 2020, 2:29 pm

    Surely the basic tenets of Judaism include justice, welcoming the stranger and most important of all:”Do unto others as you would have them do to you”. Zionism goes against all of these, especially with regard to the treatment of the Palestinians. I would therefore say there is real Judaism with Zionism, especially as most Zionists are Christians. This is no doubt why very orthodox Jews are anti-Zionist.

    When German Jews immigrated to Palestine in the late 1930s and the 1949s, they were outraged that the Zionist’s treatment of the Palestinians was very similar to the Nazis treatment of the Jews – they had naively thought and hoped they excaped from all that.

    • Mooser on January 27, 2020, 5:35 pm

      “Surely the basic tenets of Judaism include justice, welcoming the stranger and most important of all:”

      Depends on who you ask.

  10. Waterbuoy on January 26, 2020, 2:44 pm

    So……….. are the Holocaust survivors who’ve spoken to this issue now anti-Semites or ‘self – haters’?
    This would be laughable except that there is NOTHING laughable about the Shoah or the Nakba.

    • Talkback on January 26, 2020, 3:51 pm

      Waterbuoy: “So……….. are the Holocaust survivors who’ve spoken to this issue now anti-Semites or ‘self – haters’?”

      Neither nor. They are just hated by other Jews.

  11. Nathan on January 26, 2020, 10:01 pm

    Every so often, Mondoweiss publishes photos taken in Gaza. When you look at the photos, you see markets full of fruits, fishermen catching fish, farmers working in the fields, pleasant middle-class apartment buildings, people on beautiful beaches, etc. So, it’s quite surprising that the editor of this website reminds us that he compares Gaza to the Warsaw ghetto. It’s worthy of praise that Phil is willing to concede that Auschwitz and extermination are not part of the comparison, however he should be reminded that the ghettoization of the Jews was a central part of the plan to murder them. I assume that Phil knows that the trains from Warsaw went to Treblinka and Auschwitz, so he should take into account that even a “rational person” comparing Gaza to the Warsaw ghetto might be understood as speaking in terms of extermination.

    I understand the logic of the propaganda war against Israel: If you can somehow compare Israel to the Nazi regime, then you can make-believe that the public will be convinced of her “illegitimacy”. However, you are preaching to the choir. In other words, anti-Israel people are propagandizing to an anti-Israel audience. The public-at-large doesn’t buy the nonsense.

    • eljay on January 27, 2020, 8:28 am

      || Nathan: Every so often, Mondoweiss publishes photos taken in Gaza. When you look at the photos, you see markets full of fruits, fishermen catching fish, farmers working in the fields, pleasant middle-class apartment buildings, people on beautiful beaches, etc. … ||

      You seem to be suggesting that it would be entirely acceptable to herd a couple million Jews into a Gaza-like enclave, to subject them to similar restrictions and limitations and to do “necessary evil” unto them whenever they rebel against their confinement.

      With friends like Zionists, Jews really don’t need enemies.

      • Talkback on January 27, 2020, 12:25 pm

        eljay: “You seem to be suggesting …”

        To be fair, Nathan only suggested that Gaza can’t be compared to the Warsaw ghetto, because the latter existed for a different intent.

        But I would like to ask Nathan what he concludes from the beautiful pictues we see from Haiti about the humanitarian situation in Haiti and what he thinks about the Israeli intent to concentrate Nonjews in Gaza and imposing an illegal blockade on them so that Gaza is slowly becoming uninhabitable. Does he think that expulsion isn’t a crime against humanity? Or that it is legitimate, to create and maintain a regime dominated by Jews? Apartheid isn’t.

      • eljay on January 27, 2020, 2:58 pm

        || Talkback: eljay: “You seem to be suggesting …”

        To be fair, Nathan only suggested that Gaza can’t be compared to the Warsaw ghetto, because the latter existed for a different intent. … ||

        I agree that Gaza is not the same type of prison as Warsaw and that its ultimate purpose is not the same as Warsaw’s (Zionists have their very own hateful and immoral “central plan”).

        But Nathan seems to think it is some sort of Earthly paradise: “markets full of fruits, fishermen catching fish, farmers working in the fields, pleasant middle-class apartment buildings, people on beautiful beaches, etc.”

        Is he anti-Semitically suggesting that it would be appropriate to subject Jews to similar treatment?

        Or is he perhaps Zionistically suggesting that the Palestinians should be grateful that Jews don’t treat them as badly as Nazis treated Jews, lie back and enjoy the ride?

  12. wondering jew on January 27, 2020, 4:27 am

    On Klein Halevy’s anti Jewish Voice for Peace that deems antizionism beyond the pale, i think this deserves discussion. At least to state this: when the primary expression of Jewish identity the last 71, almost 72 years, has been through a nation state, with all that entails and when this nation state was created a little more than 3 years after Auschwitz was liberated, it is difficult to see enmity towards the nation state as trivial and in this case the opposite of trivial is crucial.

    In fact JVP and phil Weiss take their antizionism seriously and do not view it as trivial. They label the enterprise racist and an obstacle to a better world future, but wish to be considered on the same team as those who are offended by this opposition. Before I used the word enmity, which is more loaded than “opposition”.

    There is sufficient opposition to Zionism (by Hitchens for example) and sufficient problems with the development of Zionism that I do not consider it beyond the pale, by which I mean that belief in Jesus as Messiah or as son of God, puts someone in an ideological camp that is not Jewish, whereas opposition to the Zionist enterprise is not in the same category.

    I think a concept of letting all Palestinians back into Palestine and giving them the vote may be utopian but is not beyond the pale. advocacy of expelling Jews from Palestine is beyond the pale, but the utopian scenario is not.

    But Halevy’s red lines make sense to Halevy and those who have fewer doubts about the enterprise. And JVP and Phil Weiss agree that this is a crucial issue rather than a trivial one, but want some kind of “You are not beyond the pale” statement from the mainstream.

    • Talkback on January 27, 2020, 10:29 am

      wj: “… when the primary expression of Jewish identity the last 71, almost 72 years, has been through a nation state …”

      Oy vey, what a degeneration. All the history for nothing. I makes you almost forget why this identity was created in the first place. And it’s not even a nation in the civic sense of citizenship.

      What a highlight in the history of a people: The primary expression of their identity is through an Apartheid state which was created through war and expulsion inthe post Nazi era, can only exist by keeping these people as such expelled, because of their faith/heritage. A state where racism is officially institutionalized, not all of the citizens can claim that they belong to the nation of this state. Where the right to equality is not consitutionally enshrined and its “nation” doesn’t even know how to legally define its members.

      The spiritual rock bottom for this identity.

      wj: “… but wish to be considered on the same team as those who are offended by this opposition …”

      Oh, so you are either an Israeli Jew, or you are not a Jew at all? Do you have to be a racist supremacist, too?

      • Mooser on January 27, 2020, 1:20 pm

        “Oh, so you are either an Israeli Jew, or you are not a Jew at all? Do you have to be a racist supremacist, too?”

        Now, don’t be to tough on “yonah”. He is trying to show us what he means by “Jews qua Jews.”

    • Mooser on January 27, 2020, 1:05 pm

      “There is sufficient opposition to Zionism …” “wj”

      You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

    • echinococcus on January 27, 2020, 8:12 pm

      ” advocacy of expelling Jews from Palestine is beyond the pale…”

      Is that what you want to do, Fredman? Be my guest but pay attention not to touch any Jewish Palestinians. You Zionist pirates are not to be trusted in any case.

  13. Vera Gottlieb on January 28, 2020, 2:45 pm

    Excellent question and I would ask it too: how can you do the same to Palestinians? Only Jewish suffering counts? Shame on israel!!!

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