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Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is to appear with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at the United Nations today in defiance of the Netanyahu government. Olmert has said in recent days that Netanyahu is not acting in good faith, and Abbas is the sole partner for peace. He wrote in the Israeli daily Maariv:

‘There is no denying that over the past ten years, Israel has been the recalcitrant, provocative, aggressive party – and its lack of flexibility is the main reason why peace initiatives have not only failed to mature into near-agreements, but were not even introduced.’

Netanyahu’s ambassador to the U.N. calls Olmert’s meeting “terrorism” and a threat to the “Jewish State.”

Ehud Olmert’s meeting with Mahmoud Abbas in NY only advances the PA’s diplomatic terrorism. On the same day, Abbas promotes a UN resolution against the US & Israel, encourages the int’l community to isolate the Jewish State & continues to incite. We must unite to defend Israel!

One of Olmert’s goals is to keep the two-state solution on life support, by building international pressure against Israeli annexation of territories in the West Bank.

Olmert warns that world powers are going to turn on Israel, and when the Democratic Party gets back in the White House, Democrats in Congress will lead the way. He told Tal Kra-Oz of Fathom Journal:

If Israel does not change course, Olmert said, then the recent announcement from the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court that there was a basis to investigate Israeli war crimes is only the beginning. Israelis would need to procure visas before visiting European countries. BDS efforts would double down. ‘It will be an earthquake,’ he said….

‘[W]e’re living on borrowed time. The moment Trump is gone, things will be one-hundred times worse than they would have been under normal circumstances. The Democrats will demand payback for the way we’ve spit in their faces over the past decade.’…

‘when the Democrats return to power, they won’t forget the way we’ve treated them. Then you will see that some of the initiatives we are afraid will come from Europe, will come first from the American Congress.’

Olmert is not alone in predicting that Democrats will turn on Israel. Ilan Goldenberg, a former Obama aide writing for a Zionist organization, the Israel Policy Forum, says that if Israel moves ahead with annexation and Democrats recapture the White House, Democrats will have to apply real pressure at last.

[T]he severity and urgency of the moment will call for bold actions that in many cases involve genuine pressure on Israel or at least steps that the Israeli government will vehemently oppose.

Goldenberg sees the White House conditioning “some very limited elements of Israel security assistance” — the nearly $4 billion a year we give that government. But that won’t be “enough to change Israeli behavior.” He also expects that a Democratic White House will cease to support Israel at the U.N., prompting “years of US-Israel disagreements to come.”

But here is the most radical shift of all, says Goldenberg. Democrats will have to start walking their talk and come out for a single democratic state between the river and the sea. Something Americans support, even if the party establishment doesn’t.

Perhaps the best option for U.S. policymakers who oppose annexation is to publicly state that while they continue to support a viable two-state solution, if that is no longer possible, they support democracy and Palestinian rights. In other words, support for a binational democratic state of Israel with equal rights for all of the people who live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean sea or some alternative configuration that ensured Palestinian rights. Such a statement would be in line with American and Jewish values and a position that would not be hard for most American politicians to justify. It is also one that has the support of 64% of Americans.

Goldenberg (of the Democratic hawkish thinktank Center for a New American Security) says this shift would be at once idealistic and tactical/liberal-Zionist: pressuring Israel to give up apartheid so as to maintain a Jewish state.

[A]n Israeli move to a two-state solution may only be possible once Palestinians begin calling for one binational state. This could be the real threat to the Jewish nature of Israel that finally forces the Israeli public out of its apathetic resignation. If a significant consensus starts to build in the American left, the American Jewish community, and in Congress that if forced to choose between an apartheid-like Jewish state and binational Israeli democracy many of Israel’s supporters will choose democracy – this might be enough to spur Israelis to take action to preserve the viability of two-states so that they can be both democratic and Jewish. And if this does not move Israelis, it still puts supporters of Israel who oppose annexation on the right side of the argument.

It’s not a surprise that the American press has largely ignored the Olmert story. The New York Times has not covered Olmert’s criticisms of Netanyahu. As Yakov Hirsch pointed out to me, “You have a former Likud PM of Israel saying Abbas is a man of peace and compromise, while it is Netanyahu who is full of it. Shouldn’t that be front-page news?”

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  1. brent on February 11, 2020, 2:00 pm

    “[A]n Israeli move to a two-state solution may only be possible once Palestinians begin calling for one binational state. This could be the real threat to the Jewish nature of Israel that finally forces the Israeli public out of its apathetic resignation.”
    _______________________________________________

    Palestine is possible, ONCE Palestinians call for equality in a bi-national state?

    Can equality be achieved through force? MLK and Gandhi didn’t think so.

    Palestine’s fortune seems tied to Palestinians taking an initiative, not cutting Israel’s money. Netanyahu says support for Israel among American politicians is a function of a broad and popular consensus among voters. How they view the situation.

    From the article, “But here is the most radical shift of all, says Goldenberg. Democrats will have to start walking their talk and come out for a single democratic state between the river and the sea. Something Americans support…” A Palestinian call for equality, to be successful, to resonate, best lay force and defiance aside. A campaign for equality will take discipline and time. Perhaps start with citizens of Israel.

    • bcg on February 11, 2020, 3:57 pm

      There’s a distinction between force and violence.
      I know of no movement for justice that didn’t succeed without force; MLK and Gandhi absolutely believed in the use of force.

      • Talkback on February 11, 2020, 6:52 pm

        Exactly. I wonder why Brent spends so much time trying to suggest that occupied Palestinians should not be resisting occupation. Quite suspicious.

      • brent on February 11, 2020, 8:01 pm

        I stand corrected. MLK and Gandhi used force very effectively. Force more powerful than violence. Their power arose due to standing on the moral high ground and enduring violence without returning it. They didn’t use violence or taking life, not because revenge was wrong, or not deserved, but because they had the insight, the understanding, to realize it would not be an effective tool for prevailing upon injustice and oppression. Again, violence is not wrong, it makes the oppression worse. It wounds the oppressed party. Act, not react, is another way to see it.

      • Talkback on February 12, 2020, 8:24 am

        Just stop it, Brent. Gandhi was part of the SAME resistance that also used violence.

      • Mooser on February 12, 2020, 11:44 am

        “Just stop it, Brent.”

        Who does he think he is fooling?

      • Talkback on February 13, 2020, 10:15 am

        Mooser: “Who does he think he is fooling?”

        Certainly not anyone who has read “How Nonviolence Protects the State” by Peter Gelderloos. Especially the Chapter: “Nonviolence is Racist”.
        https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-how-nonviolence-protects-the-state#toc3

        Or this bit from the same book about MLK:
        “The common projection (primarily by white progressives, pacifists, educators, historians, and government officials) is that the movement against racial oppression in the United States was primarily nonviolent. On the contrary, though pacifist groups such as Martin Luther King Jr.‘s Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) had considerable power and influence, popular support within the movement, especially among poor black people, increasingly gravitated toward militant revolutionary groups such as the Black Panther Party.[16] According to a 1970 Harris poll, 66 percent of African Americans said the activities of the Black Panther Party gave them pride, and 43 percent said the party represented their own views.[17] In fact, militant struggle had long been a part of black people’s resistance to white supremacy. Mumia Abu-Jamal boldly documents this history in his 2004 book, We Want Freedom. He writes, “The roots of armed resistance run deep in African American history. Only those who ignore this fact see the Black Panther Party as somehow foreign to our common historical inheritance.”[18] In reality, the nonviolent segments cannot be distilled and separated from the revolutionary parts of the movement (though alienation and bad blood, encouraged by the state, often existed between them). Pacifist, middle-class black activists, including King, got much of their power from the specter of black resistance and the presence of armed black revolutionaries.[19]

        (For the record, I do not endorse violence. But I do not condemn it either when used by the oppressed as a counter reaction to the violence of their oppressors. It’s their choice how they want to achieve their liberation from tyranny, state terrorism and violently imposed and legally institutionalized racism.)

    • Nathan on February 11, 2020, 5:33 pm

      brent – If the Palestinians were to call for a bi-national state, they would be admitting that there are two national communities in the country. However, according to the Palestinian narrative, there is only one national community in the country (the Palestinian Arabs). The Jews are merely a religious community. A call for a bi-national state would mean that the Palestinians are accepting the Zionist position that the Jews are a national community, and the homeland of this nation is Palestine. If Palestine is the homeland of two nations, then the term “bi-national state” makes perfect sense. We can all relax. The Palestinians will NEVER suggest a bi-national solution.

      Actually, it should be stated that the very suggestion that the Palestinians call for a bi-national state means only one thing: The person making the suggestion doesn’t know the basics of the conflict. From the Palestinian perspective, this is a conflict about the Arab rejection of the Jewish claim that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jews. It is really absurd that anyone would suggest that the conflict will be resolved by a Palestinian recognition of Jewish nationhood.

      • brent on February 12, 2020, 1:32 am

        Nathan- One of the fundamental problems is talking past each other. Perhaps Phil Weiss will be alert for a writer who could address the issues you’ve raised.

      • Brewer on February 12, 2020, 1:47 am

        Thank you Nathan. You have filled a much needed gap – a Zionist explaining what Palestinians mean and “the basics of the conflict”.
        Can we please have our gap back?
        You see most of us actually know what the Palestinians mean and “the basics of the conflict”. They can be rather neatly condensed into one sentence:
        “We were driven from our homes and property by force of arms by an invader against every known principle of Justice and we want them back.”
        Really quite simple and, if my reading of the gathering forces surrounding Ersatz Israel is even close to correct – it will happen. Time is running out for any solution that makes any concession to Zionism whatsoever.

      • Talkback on February 12, 2020, 8:28 am

        Nathan: “However, according to the Palestinian narrative, there is only one national community in the country (the Palestinian Arabs).”

        You are lying. It’s actually Israel that claims that that there is only one nation in the country and that is the Jewish “nation”. Not only in narrative, but also in law.

        Nathan: “The Palestinians will NEVER suggest a bi-national solution.”

        They don’t need to suggest what has always been the reality. That there are two “nationalities” within citizenship. That doesn’t mean that there needs to be two citizenships. They had always proposed for one, before they decided to choose the two state solution.

        Nathan: “From the Palestinian perspective, this is a conflict about the Arab rejection of the Jewish claim that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jews.”

        You are lying, again. From the Palestinian perspective the conflict is about Jewish settler colonialism, terrorism and the intent to take over all Palestine and create a Jewish majority even through war and crimes against humanity like expulsion.

    • Rosetta on February 11, 2020, 6:25 pm

      Palestine is already possible and has been for 7,000 years simply because it exists. The fact that it has frequently been occupied in its history is nothing new. Everything beyond the UN Mandate is Occupied Palestine although even those borders for Israel have never been tested in a court of law. The partition was certainly immoral and there is a very good chance it was also illegal.

      The Palestinians, despite a brief period of violence have been incredibly patient. They do protest peacefully and get shot for it. Gandhi would approve of their resistance. It is dishonest to suggest otherwise.

      But, in truth, the Palestinians need do nothing, for justice, time and numbers are on their side. It is not the Palestinians who made two FULLY EQUAL AND FULLY INDEPENDENT States impossible, but Israel, so now the only outcome is one state, where the land is shared equally by the indigenous Palestinian people and their colonisers, the European Zionist/Jewish Israelis. Every other coloniser has done this, so must Israel.

      Sure, it means no religious State for Jews, no theocracy, but surely in a modern world there is no place for such backward bigoted concepts anyway. And, since most Jews do not live in Israel, never did and never will, but instead live happily and much more safely in many countries around the world, the concept the Zionists came up with in the 1890’s, that Jews were not safe unless they ran their own country, has been proven to be completely wrong.

      • RoHa on February 11, 2020, 8:52 pm

        ” the Palestinians need do nothing, for justice, time and numbers are on their side.”

        Time? How much time? Living Palestinians will probably never see justice. And justice delayed is justice denied.

      • Nathan on February 12, 2020, 9:37 am

        Rosetta – You express certainty that the majority of Jews never lived in Israel (and never will). Well, regarding the past, obviously there was a time that indeed the vast majority of Jews lived in the land of Judah. Regarding the future, it’s rather difficult to know what might happen. However, in the wake of the recent reality in which the Jewish community in Israel has grown from about 60,000 in 1920 to well over 6,5000,000 in 2020 – and taking into account that there is a population explosion in Israel while no other Jewish community in the world is having an increase in population – it might be that your prediction will turn out to be inaccurate. I propose that we get back to this question in about 20 years (2040). I think that you might be surprised that a substantial majority of Jews will be living in Israel.

        You seem certain that the only outcome will be a single state in which the Palestinian Arabs will share the country with the Israeli Jews. Again, it’s hard to make predictions (especially about the future), but it seems quite possible that you might be surprised that things will turn out differently. It could be that in 2040 (when we get back to the question of Jewish population trends), the Palestinians will still be claiming that the presence of the Jews in the country is illegitimate. After all, there haven’t been changes in the Palestinian point of view in over a century.

        Finally, you might want to take notice that Jews have been coming to live in Israel despite the conflict and its dangers. Apparently, the Jews feel that the renaissance of Jewish life in their ancient land is the central drama of their collective identity.

      • Misterioso on February 12, 2020, 11:20 am

        @Nathan

        “…and taking into account that there is a population explosion in Israel while no other Jewish community in the world is having an increase in population – ”

        Reality:

        Newsweek, May 10/18
        “More Israelis are moving to the U.S.—and Newsweek staying for good”

        “Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are Newsweek leaving the country in droves.” By Yardena Schwartz.

        EXCERPTS: “Israel celebrates its 70th birthday in May with the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. Yet the country is grappling with an existential crisis—one that doesn’t involve Iranian nukes or Palestinian protests. Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves, trying to build their lives elsewhere, mostly in the United States. Many of these young Israelis are moving to big cities, and yet, even in these often expensive places, they see more opportunities to advance.”

        “The available data is telling, analysts say. Between 2006 and 2016, more than 87,000 Israelis became U.S. citizens or legalized permanent residents, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. That’s up from 66,000 between 1995 and 2005. These figures take into account only those who took the legal route (many Israelis, analysts say, arrive on temporary tourist, student or work visas, then stay). And in addition to the Israelis now living stateside, according to the country’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption, hundreds of thousands have moved to Europe, Canada and elsewhere.

        “The country’s brain drain isn’t new. For years, many of its most talented scholars and researchers moved to the U.S., where the salaries are far higher and there are more jobs at top-tier universities. One report by Dan Ben-David, an economist at Tel Aviv University, found that the emigration rate of Israeli researchers was the highest in the Western world. Recently, however, the exodus has expanded to include average young people, many of whom say there’s simply no future in Israel.

        “…Israel has one of the highest poverty rates and levels of income inequality in the Western world. Meanwhile, it also has one of the highest costs of living. Tel Aviv ranks ninth among the world’s most expensive cities, higher than New York and Los Angeles; five years ago, it ranked 34th. The situation is so dire that a 2013 survey by the financial newspaper Calcalist (the most recent Israeli study conducted on this topic) found that 87 percent of adults—many with children of their own—depend on substantial financial support from their parents.

        Aug. 15, 2017, Haaretz.
        EXCERPT: “More Israelis Left Israel Than Moved Back in Six Year Record. 16,700 left and 8,500 came back in 2015, the first year since 2009 that more Israelis exited than returned.” By Lior Dattel.

        BTW, Palestinians now outnumber Jews between the River and the Sea.

      • Mooser on February 12, 2020, 11:42 am

        “Nathan” did you know that a fashion for song-bird feathers on women’s hats made several species of birds extinct, or nearly so? But, thank God, the fad passed.

      • jon s on February 12, 2020, 11:55 am

        Rosetta, The region is full of Arab and Muslim states in which the religious component is very significant. The Palestinians themselves intend to establish an Islamic state. Do you have a problem with all those states or just with the one Jewish state?

      • Mooser on February 12, 2020, 1:51 pm

        “Apparently, the Jews feel that the renaissance of Jewish life in their ancient land is the central drama of their collective identity.” Chief Rabbi “Nathan”

        Why, it’s like “Milk and Honey”, “Fiddler”, “Exodus” and “The Ten Commandments” going on all around you, 24/7 !!

        Can’t wait til the animal sacrifices start. Oh, and stoning adulterers.

      • eljay on February 12, 2020, 3:13 pm

        || jon s: … The region is full of Arab and Muslim states in which the religious component is very significant. The Palestinians themselves intend to establish an Islamic state. … ||

        Zionism 101: Whataboutism. (Murderers exist, so it’s OK to rape.)

        || … Do you have a problem with all those states or just with the one Jewish state? ||

        All (religion-)supremacist states are a bad thing. Replacing the word “Islamic” with “Jewish” doesn’t magically transform injustice into justice, immorality into morality or inequality into equality.

      • RoHa on February 12, 2020, 7:24 pm

        Mooser, as I’ve said before, they won’t need to start animal sacrifices until they’ve killed off all the Palestinians.

      • RoHa on February 12, 2020, 9:15 pm

        And Nathan also suggests that the “collective identity” that matters to Jews is not that of membership of the societies in which they were born, educated, and lived as full and equal citizens.

        If I say that sort of thing, I am accused of peddling a trope or a blibel, and then reported to a Compliance Unit.

      • RoHa on February 12, 2020, 9:54 pm

        “Jews have been coming to live in Israel despite the conflict and its dangers. Apparently, the Jews feel that the renaissance of Jewish life in their ancient land is the central drama of their collective identity. “

        This is really depressing. We know what the “renaissance of Jewish life in their ancient land” involves. Nathan tells us that Jews want to be part of this.

      • oldgeezer on February 12, 2020, 10:52 pm

        @Roha
        “And Nathan also suggests that the “collective identity” that matters to Jews is not that of membership of the societies in which they were born, educated, and lived as full and equal citizens.”

        You certainly would be called out.

        So should Nathan.

        Zionists have always been antisemitic. They have always thrown Jewish people under the bus to further their aims. They still do. They’d prefer Jews died rather than further the advancement of the state of Israel. It’s simple history. Simple vile racist history.

      • Brewer on February 13, 2020, 2:37 am

        “You express certainty that the majority of Jews never lived in Israel”
        Why not? It is perfectly true – beyond any doubt.
        Was it not Erich Fromm who declared:
        “The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse”

      • Talkback on February 13, 2020, 8:40 am

        Nathan: “It could be that in 2040 (when we get back to the question of Jewish population trends), the Palestinians will still be claiming that the presence of the Jews in the country is illegitimate. After all, there haven’t been changes in the Palestinian point of view in over a century.”

        Nathan is lying again. No Palestinian has ever claimed that the presense of Jews as Jews in Palestine has been illegetimate. To the contrary. Native Jews who lived there before mandate times and their paternal descendants are considered to be Palestinians even according to the PLO definition in the 1960s.

        On the other hand no Nonjew can become part of the Israeli nation (which doesn’t exist according to its Supreme Apartheid Court) nor tpart of the nation of the state of Israel which are only Jews. And of course nobody can become Jewish by acquiring the citizenship of Israel which makes it a truly racist settler colonial Apartheid state.

      • Talkback on February 13, 2020, 9:59 am

        jon s: “The Palestinians themselves intend to establish an Islamic state. Do you have a problem with all those states or just with the one Jewish state?”

        IIRC that’s the second time you’re asking this or a similar stupid question. When states claim to be Christian, Muslim or whatever they don’t mean that only its Christians or Muslims are the nationals of their countries. Contrary to that the Apartheid Junta of Israel officially claims to be not the state of all of its citizens, but only the state for Jews. It’s Supreme Apartheid Court denies the existence of a nation/constitutive people called “Israelis”. The last time a state made the distinction between nationals and “citizens” to discrimanate against parts of its native population was Nazi Germany.

      • Brewer on February 13, 2020, 9:55 pm

        jon s
        “The region is full of Arab and Muslim states in which the religious component is very significant. The Palestinians themselves intend to establish an Islamic state. Do you have a problem with all those states or just with the one Jewish state?”

        There is a World of difference between an Islamic (or Christian) State where the “Islamic” designation merely indicates the principles upon which the State is founded but that provides political equality to all citizens – and the Jewish State of Israel that claims not just sovereignty but actual ownership of land and practices land theft and ethnic cleansing of non-jews. None of the “Arab and Muslim states in the region” do so. They are Islamic to the same degree England is Christian.

        From the beginnings of the Ottoman Empire until the Zionist invasion of Palestine all those “Islamic States” within it “provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of western Europe by massacres and persecution” (Wikipedia). To this day there are Jewish citizens remaining in Egypt, Turkey, Iran and others. In Syria, Jewish property is protected by the State.

        Your channeling the erroneous, propagandist image of “Islamic State” indicates either ignorance or guile.

    • Misterioso on February 12, 2020, 9:44 am

      Meanwhile at Harvard:

      https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/2/11/jewish-coalition-for-peace/

      “Amid Criticism, Jewish Harvard Students Create Pro-Palestinian Rights Group”
      By Juliet E. Isselbacher and Amanda Y. Su, Crimson Staff Writers, Feb. 12/20

      “A group of undergraduates formed the Harvard Jewish Coalition for Peace, an ‘anti-Zionist’ group that aims to show solidarity with the Palestinian people and combat anti-Semitism.

      “The coalition bills itself as an ‘anti-Zionist Jewish organization’ focused on countering anti-Semitism through supporting marginalized groups and creating spaces and events for Jewish students outside of Harvard Hillel, according to a public statement on the organization’s Facebook page.

      “’Harvard Jewish Coalition for Peace is a new organization founded in the idea that Jewish liberation is inextricably bound up with the liberation of all people,’ the statement reads.

      “The coalition was founded after debates over human rights for Palestinians during ‘Israeli Apartheid Week’ — organized by the Harvard Palestine Solidarity Committee — in spring 2019.

      “’We build on a long history of Jewish anti-Zionism which teaches us that Jewish safety or liberation will never come at the expense of other people’s lives and land, and are committed to following the leadership of Palestinians in supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement on and off Harvard’s campus,’ the organization’s statement reads.

      “BDS is an international movement that works to ‘end international support for Israel’s oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law,’ according to its website.

      “An announcement for the coalition’s inaugural event — titled ‘The Jewish Case for BDS’ — over the Hillel email list quickly drew criticisms on Saturday.

      “Caleb J. Esrig ’20 replied over the email list that he found it ‘immensely disappointing’ to see the message sent during Shabbat, a time during which some Jewish people refrain from using technology.

      “Esrig — a former Crimson editorial editor — also said in a Monday interview that he disagrees with the BDS movement.

      “’At the end of the day, BDS is not about human rights or social justice,’ Esrig said. ‘It is not about ending the occupation. It’s not about Israeli human rights abuses. It is about ending the Jewish state.’

      “Sarah Bolnick ’23 wrote in an email that she was similarly ‘distressed’ by the new organization’s messaging and platform.

      “’Even if they claim that they’re committed to fighting anti-Semitism, this new organization is, even if unwittingly, aligning themselves with groups that have historically sought the oppression of Jews,’ she wrote. ‘To oppose Israel’s policies or government is one thing. To reject its legitimacy is quite another.’

      “Hillel President Rebecca S. Araten ’22 wrote in email that Hillel is committed to an ‘active and constructive relationship’ with Israel, rather than one of ‘alienation and vilification.’

      “’Israel is a vital crucible of modern Jewish culture and the home of nearly half of the world’s Jewish population,’ she wrote. ‘We oppose BDS and all efforts that seek to delegitimize the State of Israel.’

      “The coalition’s public statement also stated that it does not claim to represent the majority of Jewish students at Harvard, but hopes to offer a space for those who agree with its mission and have felt ‘alienated’ by Harvard Hillel.

      “Araten, a former Crimson editor, wrote that Hillel seeks to accommodate a broad spectrum of political and ethical thought on Israel-Palestine relations.

      “’As a community, Harvard Hillel is dedicated to inclusive, multi-vocal conversation about Israel,’ she said. ‘Students active in our community represent a diversity of voices and political opinions, which we amplify in programming that seeks to explore the different facets of Israel.'”

      A reminder:

      MUST WATCH SHORT VIDEO!!:

      https://www.redressonline.com/2020/02/watch-us-harvard-law-students-walk-out-en-mass-as-israeli-ambassador-begins-to-justify-jewish-settlements/

      “Watch: US Harvard law students walk out en mass as Israeli ambassador begins to justify Jewish settlements” – February 1, 2020

  2. eljay on February 11, 2020, 3:48 pm

    … If Israel does not change course, Olmert said, then the recent announcement from the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court that there was a basis to investigate Israeli war crimes is only the beginning. …

    ‘[W]e’re living on borrowed time. The moment Trump is gone, things will be one-hundred times worse than they would have been under normal circumstances. The Democrats will demand payback for the way we’ve spit in their faces over the past decade.’…

    ‘when the Democrats return to power, they won’t forget the way we’ve treated them. Then you will see that some of the initiatives we are afraid will come from Europe, will come first from the American Congress.’ …

    So…
    – the Democrats’ reaction to Israel spitting in their faces for the past decade matters and Israel needs to clean up its act; but
    – the Palestinians’ reaction to Israel spitting on, shitting on, stomping on and otherwise screwing them over for several decades doesn’t matter and it’s the Palestinians who need to clean up their act.

    Zionists never fail to highlight just how supremely hateful and immoral they are.

  3. wondering jew on February 11, 2020, 4:40 pm

    “You have a former Likud PM of Israel…” is not precisely accurate. Olmert was elected Prime Minister as leader of the Kadima party, not as leader of the Likud party.

    • Mooser on February 11, 2020, 6:31 pm

      “as leader of the Kadima party, not as leader of the Likud party.”

      Same difference.

  4. wondering jew on February 11, 2020, 8:50 pm

    “There is no denying that over the past ten years, Israel has been the recalcitrant, provocative, aggressive party – and its lack of flexibility is the main reason why peace initiatives have not only failed to mature into near-agreements, but were not even introduced.”
    This has been my impression. But I think that the Israeli government has reflected its people’s reluctance to trust Abbas and that lack of trust is understandable, but because of the fact of the nature of the occupation (civilian rather than purely military) Israel does not have the luxury to wait for trust, but must hurry the process, because the nature of the occupation is wrong and requires remedy, whereas a military occupation would have been bad, but not nearly this bad.

    • Misterioso on February 12, 2020, 10:06 am

      @wondering Jew

      “…but because of the fact of the nature of the occupation (civilian rather than purely military) Israel does not have the luxury to wait for trust,…”

      Ah yes, “the nature of the occupation…”

      Eminent Jewish Israeli journalist Bradley Burston long since aptly summed up the horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem:

      “Occupation is Slavery”
      EXCERPT:
      “In the name of occupation, generation after generation of Palestinians have been treated as property. They can be moved at will, shackled at will, tortured at will, have their families separated at will. They can be denied the right to vote, to own property, to meet or speak to family and friends. They can be hounded or even shot dead by their masters, who claim their position by biblical right, and also use them to build and work on the plantations the toilers cannot themselves ever hope to own. The masters dehumanize them, call them by the names of beasts.” (Haaretz, Feb. 26/13)

      Also:
      “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”

      EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

    • Rosetta on February 12, 2020, 10:37 pm

      @wonderingJew,

      Abbas is an Israeli stooge. The issue of trust is utterly irrelevant. He is a puppet of the Israeli State and ignored by the Palestinians for that reason.

      Trust is irrelevant. The issue is about justice and as the occupier, with all of the power and all of the responsibility, only Israel can end the occupation, apologise to the Palestinians for the theft of their country, make redress, provide compensation to all those who lost homes and land, just as many have been compensated for losses during the Second World War, and create one state with equal rights for all.

      The Palestinians are the powerless victims and Israel is the powerful aggressor. Justice does not require negotiation, it only requires action by Israel. Does Israel have a De Klerk? Probably not. So the world must work to force Israel to provide justice to the Palestinians.

  5. Rosetta on February 11, 2020, 10:29 pm

    When will the core issue be addressed that everything Israel does is sourced in religious bigotry?

    Nothing can be addressed until the foundation of the State of Israel is addressed. And yes, one can be aware of the emotions, beliefs, experiences etc., at work when Zionism was invented in the late 19th century and more so following World War Two, but the entire raison d’etre of the Israeli State is dominance, always and completely, by Jews.

    Such a State can never be a democracy and with most of the indigenous people, Christian or Muslim, it can never be anything but an apartheid theocracy with a commitment to eternal subjugation and oppression of non-Jewish Palestinians and second-class rights to non-Jewish citizens.

    If it was wrong, as it was, for the Nazis to persecute non-Aryans, then surely it is equally wrong for Zionist Israel to persecute non-Jews.

    • Misterioso on February 12, 2020, 10:21 am

      @Rosetta, et al

      Zionism:

      https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-idf-spokesman-announces-continue-to-shoot-palestinian-children-1.8506975

      “The IDF Spokesman Announces: ‘Continue to Shoot Palestinian Children.'”
      by Gideon Levy, Feb. 9/20, Haaretz.

      “Israeli soldiers shoot children. Sometimes they wound them and sometimes they kill them. Sometimes the children wind up brain dead, sometimes disabled. Sometimes the children have thrown rocks at the soldiers, sometimes Molotov cocktails. Sometimes by chance they wind up in the middle of a confrontation. They almost never put the soldiers’ lives in danger.

      “Sometimes the soldiers intentionally shoot at the children, sometimes by mistake. Sometimes they aim at the children’s heads or the upper body, and sometimes they shoot in the air and miss, hitting the children in the head. That’s how it goes when a body is small.

      “Sometimes the soldiers shoot with the intent to kill, sometimes to punish. Sometimes they use regular bullets and sometimes rubber-coated bullets, sometimes from a distance, sometimes in an ambush, sometimes at close range. Sometimes they shoot out of fear, anger, frustration and a sense of having no other option, or a loss of control, sometimes in cold blood. The soldiers never see their victims afterward. If they saw what they caused, they might stop shooting.

      “Israeli soldiers are allowed to shoot children. Nobody punishes them for shooting children. When a Palestinian child is shot it’s not a story. There’s no difference between the blood of a small Palestinian child and the blood of a Palestinian adult. They’re both cheap. When a Jewish child is hurt, all of Israel shakes, when a Palestinian child is hurt, Israel yawns. It will always, always find a justification for soldiers shooting Palestinian children. It will never, never find a justification for children throwing stones at soldiers who raid their village.

      “For six months a boy named Abd el-Rahman Shatawi has been convalescing at the rehabilitation hospital in Beit Jala. For 10 days a relative of his, Mohammed Shatawi, has been at Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem, in Jerusalem. Both are from the village of Qaddum in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers shot them both in the head. They shot regular bullets from a great distance at Abd el-Rahman as he stood at the entrance to a friend’s home, they shot a rubber-coated bullet at Mohammed from a nearby hilltop as he tried to hide from them down the same hill. The army said he had set a tire on fire.

      “Abd el-Rahman is 10 and looks small for his age. Mohammed is 14 and looks older than he is. These are the children of the Palestinian reality, both hanging between life and death. Theirs and their parents’ lives have been destroyed. Abd el-Rahman’s father drives him home from Beit Jala to Qaddum once a week for a weekend in the village, Mohammed’s father doesn’t stray from the doorway of the neuro-intensive care unit at Hadassah Ein Karem, where he’s alone facing his son and his fate. Neither of these children should have been shot. Neither should have been shot in the head.

      “After Abd el-Rahman was shot the army spokesman’s office said that ‘during the incident a Palestinian minor was wounded.’ After Mohammed was shot the spokesman said: ‘A claim about a Palestinian who was wounded by a rubber bullet is known.’ The office is familiar with the complaint. The army spokesman is the voice of the Israel Defense Forces. The IDF is a people’s army, therefore the IDF spokesman also speaks for Israel.

      “The spokespeople publish their bloodcurdling statements from a new office tower in Ramat Aviv near Tel Aviv, where the office recently moved. They refer to a 10-year-old boy as a ‘Palestinian minor’ and remark that ‘the Palestinian claim is known’ about a boy fighting for his life because soldiers shot him in the head. The dehumanization of Palestinians has reached the IDF spokespeople. Even children no longer rouse human sentiment such as sorrow or mercy, certainly not in the IDF.

      “The IDF spokesman’s office does its job well. Its statements reflect the spirit of the time and place. There’s no room to express any regret for shooting children in the head, there’s no room for mercy, an apology, an investigation or punishment, and certainly not for any compensation. Shooting a Palestinian child is considered less severe than shooting a stray dog, for which there’s still a chance someone will do some investigating.”

      • Mooser on February 12, 2020, 11:50 am

        “Israeli soldiers shoot children. Sometimes they wound them and sometimes they kill them. ”

        Ah, no wonder “Jon s” hates IDF veterans with such a passion. He starts screeching imprecation whenever an IDF vet comments.

      • Rosetta on February 12, 2020, 9:47 pm

        As Israel rots from within one can only have compassion for Jewish Israelis in the debased society they have created through their bigotry and subjugation of the Palestinians.

  6. CHUCKMAN on February 12, 2020, 6:06 am

    Olmert is not a man I admire.

    He’s killed a lot of innocent people in his career.

    But even criminals can be right sometimes, and Olmert is deadly accurate here.

    The man leading Israel today literally in his actions and words, ranks with the likes of Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince and Egypt’s Generalissimo.

    He represents absolutely nothing of democratic or human rights values or even fundamental rule of law, and saying that that isn’t even a slight exaggeration.

    Netanyahu belongs to the same club of thugs as Duterte , Bolsonaro, and Trump.

    • Misterioso on February 12, 2020, 8:46 am

      @CHUCKMAN

      “Netanyahu belongs to the same club of thugs as Duterte , Bolsonaro, and Trump.”

      Precisely!!

  7. James Canning on February 12, 2020, 11:26 am

    It does seem clear that Netanyahu strongly seeks a “Bantustan” solution to the presence of too many non-Jews in the occupied Palestinian Territories, and that this program has been underway for several decades now.

    In Bethlehem recently, the Prince of Wales called for justice and equal rights for the Palestinians. How much coverage did this obtain in US news media?

  8. Ossinev on February 12, 2020, 11:39 am

    Have just sighted an article from the Jerusalem Post which may be of interest:
    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/NGOs-call-for-public-support-in-ending-use-of-Palestinian-child-soldiers-617332

    Surprise Surprise there are no actual details of these “NGO`s” and their ” letter ” reads like standard ZIO propaganda crap so suspect v strongly that the “PCS” is yet another hasbara ploy by the Zio Ministry of DisInformation. Happy to be corrected

    Meanwhile the 10,000 !!! ” Palestinian Child Soldiers” notwithstanding the Zios can continue to terrorise,brutalise, and murder Palestinian children at will because their hard working non – indoctrinated LOL IDF and Border Police (poor diddums) need some recreational fun to relieve the daily tedium.

    Oh I forgot to mention the tens of thousands of Palestinian children detained illegally (no access to legal council or relatives ) by the most moral over decades and forced to make confessions and /or volunteer as informants.

  9. Rosetta on February 12, 2020, 9:15 pm

    @Nathan,

    I was talking about the Israel created in Palestine in 1947. There was no State of Israel before that time. Yes, Jews/Hebrews wandered in from what is now Iraq around 3,000 years ago and set up tribal camps/kingdoms, Judea, Samaria, but the concept of Israel was religious metaphor as orthodox Jews stated when a literal state of Israel was mooted by the Zionists. Something they opposed and some still do.

    In 20 years time there will be no Israel. The one-state solution will either see it return to what it has been for 7,000 years, Palestine, or the European colonists/Israelis and the indigenous Palestinians will come up with a new name for their new democracy.

    Let us be realists. It is impossible for Israel to continue to hold millions of non-Jewish Palestinians under military occupation forever and it is impossible to drive them out or kill them. So, one state is inevitable.

    Jews have no right to their own State. If they did then all religions would have the same right. Religious states are backward and undemocratic.

    The issue is not about Palestinian Arabs – Arab is a culture, or Israeli Jews – Jews are a religion. You either compare Arab Palestinians to European Israelis since that is the origin of most of the colonisers or you talk about Christian and Muslim Palestinians and Jewish Israelis. Apples with Apples. And anyone who spends time in Israel can see how Arabic it is already in terms of culture even without the language which is what links so-called Arab cultures.

    You said: It could be that in 2040 (when we get back to the question of Jewish population trends),

    jews are a religion and religions do not get land rights, regardless of how many there might be.

    You said: the Palestinians will still be claiming that the presence of the Jews in the country is illegitimate.

    As a democracy, discrimination toward religions won’t happen and the new democracy will be answerable to those helping to fund it for at least I would think as long as the apartheid State of Israel has been funded.

    You said: After all, there haven’t been changes in the Palestinian point of view in over a century.

    Why would there be? Why would Palestinians have wanted Europeans to steal and colonise their country where Jews would be dominant and subjugate all others?

    And why would Christian and Muslim Palestinians, either as second-class citizens in Israel or subjugated people with no human or civil rights, change their thoughts about their jewish oppressors in the past century? You need to be a realist.

    You said: Finally, you might want to take notice that Jews have been coming to live in Israel despite the conflict and its dangers. Apparently, the Jews feel that the renaissance of Jewish life in their ancient land is the central drama of their collective identity.

    Well, Zionist propaganda has been effective and Palestine is not the ancient land of followers of Judaism since religions don’t get land rights.

    Yes, more Jews have either been scooped up by the Zionists, desperate, and others have become more fundamentalist like the fanatical Americans in the illegal settlements, and have chosen to also colonise Palestine but it cannot last.

    There are more than 6 million Palestinians crushed under the Israeli military boot. Pray, tell me, how will Israel get rid of them? There is no solution from what I can see.

    To remove the Christians and Muslims in the Gaza concentration camp would require slaughtering them all – around 2 million men, women and children. Or loading them onto trucks and taking them…… where? How on earth do you think that would look to the world/ Israel would never get away with it.

    To drive out the other roughly 4 million in Occupied Palestine, would be bloody and violent and the illegal settlers would have to be removed first so they were not injured or killed. That would give the game away. There too, millions of men, women and children would have to be rounded up at gunpoint, loaded on to trucks and taken….. where?

    It just is not possible to drive them all out and it is certainly not an option to kill them. That is what makes one-state the only possible outcome and in that State Christian and Muslim Palestinians will be a majority as they were before 1947.

  10. Ossinev on February 13, 2020, 9:28 am

    @Rosetta
    In reference to Nathan`s comments
    “You said: Finally, you might want to take notice that Jews have been coming to live in Israel despite the conflict and its dangers.”

    I wonder if many Zionist Israelis Jews actually reflect on their position in the region and if there was any blinking at the recent news that the Egyptian population is now over 100 million. Add to these all of the other surrounding populations of Arab countries in the region all of who irrespective of the power machinations of their respective leaderships loathe and despise the thieving and murdering European colonists who have inserted themselves into the region and you have a position which all of the F16s,F35s,Iron Domes etc in the world cannot sustain or defend. To put it mildly the crazed Zios who have stolen and occupied Palestine self evidently have no concern for the safety or the lives of their children and grandchildren. A truly responsible and thinking parent would grab passports and children and get the hell out of there to a region of safety at the first available opportunity for the sake of those children and future grandchildren.

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