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lonely rico
lonely rico on May 23, 2019, 8:40 pm

“I hate the Israeli army with a passion. I think it is the most corrupting element in Israeli society.”

There is one fundamental corrupting element in Israeli society – the ugly murderous zionist conquest and destruction of the land and people of Palestine.

All else is diversion and illusion.

JLewisDickerson on May 23, 2019, 7:33 pm

Thanks for this great read!

eljay on May 23, 2019, 6:20 pm

|| mon donut: @eljay so I completely and 100% agree with you … start providing it to the Palestinians.

You agree with something I never said? … ||

So much for your concern for the well-being of the Palestinian state and economy.  You disappoint me, donut.  :-(

|| … But for the sake of argument I will play along with your fantasy. If the US were to start providing large scale military support to the Palestinians instead of the Israelis – would that go to …||

Military and economic and political and financial support, yes. Instead of it being used to prop up a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state – the way it has been for decades with Israel – I would like to see it used:
– to help establish a healthy, sovereign, secular and democratic Palestinian state; and
– for the benefit of all of its citizens.

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 5:41 pm

@eljay so I completely and 100% agree with you … start providing it to the Palestinians.

You agree with something I never said? After you jumped a thread and responded for someone else?

But for the sake of argument I will play along with your fantasy. If the US were to start providing large scale military support to the Palestinians instead of the Israelis – would that go to the murderous terrorists of Gaza, the unelected thieving kleptocrats of the West Bank or the one million plus, fake Palestinian refugees of Jordan?

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 5:31 pm

@Ossinev 1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2


eljay on May 23, 2019, 5:24 pm

|| klm90046: This peace plan, if implemented, will likely lead to fission in Palestinian society. … Wouldn’t Israelis love it! ||

Dunno about Israelis but Zionists would be tickled pink by this latest “divide and conquer” tactic.

eljay on May 23, 2019, 5:02 pm

|| mon donut: @Kay24, Well, they love to be occupied for decades..

It almost seems that way – given how little effort they put into achieving a state. ||

We often hear about how strong and vibrant Israel is so I completely and 100% agree with you that the U.S. should:
– stop providing unconditional economic, political, military and financial support to Israel; and
– start providing it to the Palestinians.

I have no doubt that this will help the Palestinians achieve a state and improve their economy.

klm90046 on May 23, 2019, 4:47 pm

This peace plan, if implemented, will likely lead to fission in Palestinian society. The “practical” among Palestinians, the entrepreneur class, may embrace it, while the idealists will consider it a subterfuge for indefinite occupation, and may rise against it, possibly leading to civil strife and even civil war among Palestinians. Wouldn’t Israelis love it!

gamal on May 23, 2019, 4:23 pm

“Year after year, Palestinians in refugee camps were not given the opportunity to build any future; they were misled and used as political pawns and commodities instead of treated as human beings,” Greenblatt told the Security Council”

Meanwhile starting quietly but getting more insistent chants of “Chagos, Chagos” can be heard wafting through the halls.

Mooser on May 23, 2019, 4:13 pm

“Why was it so effective?”

On you? You don’t want to know.

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 3:56 pm

just , Some reading material for the ‘mondonut’:

What is wholesale copying of someone else’s work (read up on fair use) supposed to mean? It is already well known that the UNRWA is a failed and corrupt organization that should have been disbanded long ago. What else is new?

But for the many, many UN members that think otherwise – they just need to start writing checks. UNRWA funding could be easily solved if every vote in the General Assembly to continue it required a $5 million ante.

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 3:48 pm

@just And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.”
You are delusional and in denial. Get help.

Really? Then name it. What was rightfully the Palestinians that the US has taken away?

Citizen on May 23, 2019, 3:25 pm

What is the issue ever other than who pays for the PA to act as Israel’s security force and also for the care of Palesitinans under Israeli occupation? Why should Israel do anything since it gets all the benefits and pays none of the costs of these things?

just on May 23, 2019, 3:14 pm

Gideon Levy:

“Israelis Aren’t Storming the Real Bastille

There it goes again, the cry for civil disobedience. To the barricades! Revolution! Immunity laws and laws for overriding Supreme Court rulings rouse the liberal camp from its slumber, and again it’s threatening to go on the attack. Activists, commentators and former scout troop leaders all threaten to take to the streets and topple the Bastille. Pathos flows like water.

Someone suggested a mass resignation of judges; another suggested, heaven forfend, wearing a black armband. What else is in their arsenal? Not leaving a tip at a restaurant? No shopping at the duty-free stores at Ben-Gurion Airport? Not turning off your phone at a movie?

Former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit, a confirmed democrat specializing in executions, talks about “the execution of democracy.” A former chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, Gabi Ashkenazi, is making the supreme sacrifice: “For this struggle, I am willing even to go on Twitter.” A few dozen elite lawyers met for a protest session. The revolution will begin at the Goldfarb Seligman law offices!

On Saturday night, a rally will take place under the banner “a Defensive Shield for Democracy.” We can only hope that the choice of name, reminiscent of the IDF’s 2002 operation during the second intifada, was coincidental, because that was one of the most heinous operations in the IDF’s history.

It’s good that civil society has woken up to the need to act. It’s always a good thing, especially in Israel, this sleeping beauty. The problem is that, as usual, this beauty picks her fights in her comfort zone, where no courage is needed, where there’s no need to pay an actual price.

We can’t be silent in light of the right wing’s legislation, but there’s an element of exaggeration and dramatization, sometimes to the point of ludicrousy, with the people who are crying wolf. The immunity law is grave, and the law meant to override Supreme Court rulings is even graver, but they don’t herald mass arrests, executions and the end of democracy.

The fate of the current protest will probably be similar to that of previous protests – it will die out without any impact, without leaving a mark, and for the same reasons. These protests never dare put their hands all the way in the fire. In the summer of 2011, masses of people protested the high cost of living. It was an impressive and sweeping phenomenon, hope- and joy-inspiring, but also cowardly.

It didn’t touch on two basic issues without which there can be no economic revolution in Israel: the defense budget and the budgets allocated to the settlements. No one touches these and there is no social justice. It’s that simple. … That’s why the protest evaporated without leaving a mark, other than in the careers of Labor legislators Itzik Shmuli and Stav Shaffir. The current protest will end the same way for the same reason.

Half an hour away by car from the revolutionary offices of Goldfarb Seligman, 500 people have been incarcerated for years without trial. There can’t be a democracy where people are locked up without trial. On this matter the protesting lawyers from the esteemed law firm have never piped up. The Supreme Court, for whose independence these attorneys are fighting, approves these detentions, just as it has approved nearly all the occupation’s crimes.

This is the beacon of justice they’re defending. A democrat can’t defend this kind of court. It’s hard to be impressed by people who remember to fight for democracy only when the danger laps at their feet, endangering their own standing.

An hour away from the museum square where masses will convene Saturday night there’s a horrific cage where 2.5 million people have been imprisoned for 13 years. Children die of cancer there due to a lack of medicine, adults there are like the living dead.

No democracy inflicts something like this on others. A regime that imprisons millions isn’t democratic. The enthusiastic masses that come to the museum square are fighting for an imaginary democracy, a propaganda-driven one, one of convenience suited to them and their tribe. Even if they pass laws letting Benjamin Netanyahu escape justice, the effect on these masses will be negligible.

This is why their fury is minuscule, as will be their protest. The Bastille isn’t on Jerusalem’s Balfour Street outside the prime minister’s residence, and the defensive shield of democracy doesn’t lie at the Supreme Court. The Bastille is the violent domination over millions of people. This is a Bastille no one is screaming that we topple. All the rest is playing games with democracy.”


Ossinev on May 23, 2019, 3:14 pm

“How is it that you know the details of the conference agenda and Trump’s plan?”
1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2 = Anti – Semitism,Eternal victimisation,Delegitimisation etc etc yawn sob yawn sob yawn sob. Never studied rocket science but as with a lot of things on Earth (AKA Planet Zion) as they say you don`t have to be a rocket scientist.

” given how little effort they put into achieving a state”

And all the “assistance” from the Israeli Ziofreaks – particularly the Likudniks whose focus based on their own charter has been to do everything possible to prevent them achieving the state:

No doubt in your addled “logic” just a minor irritation for the Palestinians in their”effort”.

eljay on May 23, 2019, 2:45 pm

|| mon donut: … Maybe it would, maybe not. Either way, it does not preclude other economic opportunities. … ||

Of course it doesn’t.

|| … Your insistence that your ideas alone have economic benefit have no basis. … ||

Your assertion that I have insisted that my ideas alone have economic benefit has no basis, lying donut.

|| … There is a real opportunity in front of the Palestinians and they are walking away from it, and you seem to think that is a good idea. ||

Please point out where I “seem to think that is a good idea”, lying donut.

Regardless of what the Palestinians do regarding this so-called “real opportunity”, the fact remains that there exists a very obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy, but Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

just on May 23, 2019, 2:40 pm

Some reading material for the ‘mondonut’:

“UN Agency Aiding Palestinians Rejects U.S. Bid to Strip It of Mandate …

The head of the United Nations agency that has supported Palestinian refugees for seven decades hit back on Thursday at a U.S. proposal to have host countries take over the services it provides across the Middle East.

The suggestion, from U.S. Middle East envoy Jason Greenblatt at a UN Security Council meeting on Wednesday, that UNRWA should be effectively dismantled was the latest U.S. attack on an agency that began operations in 1950.

Formerly UNRWA’s largest donor, the United States halted its funding to the agency in 2018, deeming its fiscal practices “irredeemably flawed” and stoking tensions between the Palestinians and U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration.

“We need to engage with host governments to start a conversation about planning the transition of UNRWA services to host governments, or to other international or local non-governmental organizations, as appropriate,” Greenblatt said after the Security Council was briefed by UNRWA chief Pierre Krahenbuhl.

Asked at a Gaza news conference on Thursday about Greenblatt’s remarks, Krahenbuhl said UNRWA’s mandate was a matter for the entire U.N. General Assembly to consider, not by “one or two individual member states”.

“Therefore, Palestinian refugees should remember that the mandate is protected by the General Assembly, and of course we will engage with member states to ensure what we hope is a safe renewal of that mandate,” Krahenbuhl said.

UNRWA’s mission is due to come up for renewal later this year in the General Assembly, where support for the agency has been traditionally strong and the United States would likely face an uphill battle to change or cancel its mission.

Greenblatt said UNRWA was “currently running on fumes, surviving on a surge in foreign donations in 2018”, and it was time for the international community to address the needs of Palestinians in refugee camps in a sustainable way.

More than half of the 2 million Palestinians in the Islamist Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, which is under Israeli blockade, receive food aid from UNRWA.

“UNRWA’s business model, which is inherently tied to an endlessly and exponentially expanding community of beneficiaries, is in permanent crisis mode,” Greenblatt said.

Since Trump assumed office in 2017, Palestinians have grown concerned that he intends to bring about UNRWA’s demise.

U.S. ally Israel says the work of UNRWA – short for United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East – only perpetuates the plight of Palestinians.

“Year after year, Palestinians in refugee camps were not given the opportunity to build any future; they were misled and used as political pawns and commodities instead of treated as human beings,” Greenblatt told the Security Council.

UNRWA says it provides services to about 5 million registered Palestinian refugees across Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and the West Bank and Gaza, and that it safeguards and advances their rights under international law.

Most are descendants of about 700,000 Palestinians who were driven out of their homes or fled fighting in the 1948 war that led to Israel’s creation and claim a right of return to the lands they left.

Israel has ruled out such an influx, fearing the country would lose its Jewish majority. Palestinian leaders reject settling refugees in host countries, saying their presence there should be considered temporary. Palestinians in host countries complain of restrictions on jobs and benefits there. ”


just on May 23, 2019, 2:31 pm

Check out the definitions of both if you can be bothered. I am not interested in doing any homework for you, ‘mondonut’. It ‘s actually both. As for this BS comment~ “And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.”
You are delusional and in denial. Get help.

Dr. Nabil Sha’ath:

“We Palestinians Say to Trump: No to Bahrain, Bribes and Never-ending Occupation …

Palestine has officially announced that it will not attend the Bahrain “workshop.” This decision shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Despite the fact that some have tried to present the Manama meeting as a purely “economic effort,” White House officials have been clear that this is the first stage of their alleged “peace plan.”

In other words, the Bahrain meeting is supposed to be an opportunity to showcase how much the U.S. administration are willing to use as a bribe in exchange for the Palestinians giving up their rights.

For the Trump team, the Manama meeting represents a strategic stage in their efforts to undermine both international law and the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. But they are also dedicated to dismembering the Arab Peace Initiative, and to pivot away from Palestinians achieving their rights of freedom and self-determination to discussing Palestinians’ “economic prosperity” – under Israeli rule.

Denying the political rights of the people of Palestine while claiming to preserve their “social” or “economic” rights is an old idea. It is the same idea that fueled Britain’s Balfour Declaration of 1917, and the concept of “economic peace” declared by Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Not addressing Palestinian rights, even refusing to utter those very words, is only a recipe for further entrenching the Israeli occupation. President Trump’s Mideast envoy Jason Greenblatt, has himself declared that settlements – over 650,000 settlers and soldiers fragmenting the occupied West Bank into hundreds of non-contiguous islands – are not an obstacle to peace.

Any economist can tell you the necessary conditions for economic prosperity. Palestine is a country with tremendous economic potential, including its highly educated human resources. But in order to reach its full potential, Palestine has to be able to control its economy, including its borders, natural resources and electromagnetic sphere, among others. Those are all Palestine’s well-recognized rights.

As Trump’s ambassador to Israel, David Friedman has consistently tried to promote economic normalization between Israeli settlers and Palestinians. It is clear that all such efforts are not only opposed by the Palestinian leadership, but by the vast majority of Palestinians. Palestine’s most prominent businesspeople have already declined U.S. invitations to attend the Bahrain meeting.

Some may claim that it is illogical to reject a “plan” that we haven’t seen. But the truth is we’ve seen a lot: From moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem to defunding UNRWA, the Trump administration has taken a number of measures that are not only a violation of U.S. obligations under international law and commitments to the peace process, but are utterly immoral, such as defunding Palestinian hospitals.

The Trump administration dropped the term “occupation” from their official documents and stopped criticizing any illegal Israeli act, including settlements. It closing our mission in Washington as well as the U.S. Consulate in Jerusalem, turning relations with the Palestinians into a mere unit under the control of the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

The message from the White House is clear: The Palestine issue is not about national liberation. The real priority is the “Greater Israel” for which ideologues like David Friedman have worked so tirelessly.

Efforts at deviating attention from the core issues will not change the reality of occupation and exile that Palestinians have experienced for far too long.

The Bahraini government statement reaffirming support for a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital is important, yet those who have decided to attend the Manama meeting should be aware of the Trump administration’s true intentions.

The Manama meeting is one phase in a larger effort to undermine Palestinian rights and normalize Israeli violations, while promoting Arab-Israeli normalization. These have been at the core of the U.S. administration’s efforts.

These are enough reasons for Palestinians to say no to the Manama meeting. The rest of the international community should look at the facts, and understand the dangerous precedents that the Trump administration is pushing.

The White House is actively justifying Israeli occupation and colonization, by recognizing Israel’s right to aquire land by the use of force, as it has for Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. This should be considered as a preparatory step for the further annexation of occupied Palestinian territory.

It is precisely because we believe in a just and lasting peace for our region that we say no to the Manama meeting. Only a political solution that ends the Israeli occupation and fulfills the rights of the Palestinian people, in accordance with international law, can promote sustainable economic prosperity. There can be no “prosperity” without freedom.”


Oh, and P. S. Neither the US nor Israel are reaching into their coffers…

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:24 pm

@Kay24, Mondo blaming the victims again, and giving the aggressors a pass.

If by victims you mean the Palestinian leadership – then yes, I am absolutely blaming them. Because they are again are to blame for failing their people.

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:21 pm

@Misterioso Sigh … You keep firing blanks.

That’s it? That’s all you have? Childish invective?
You could of at least once again violated Fair Use and wholesale copy an entire article in response.


mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:16 pm

@eljay That’ll help the Palestinians of Partition-borders Palestine improve their economy.

Maybe it would, maybe not. Either way, it does not preclude other economic opportunities. Your insistence that your ideas alone have economic benefit have no basis. There is a real opportunity in front of the Palestinians and they are walking away from it, and you seem to think that is a good idea.

mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:11 pm

@Kay24, Well, they love to be occupied for decades..

It almost seems that way – given how little effort they put into achieving a state.

eljay on May 23, 2019, 1:45 pm

|| wondering jew: eljay- When the PLO first “recognized Israel” in 1988, I was surprised that their recognition said nothing about the 47 partition borders. but they did not. nor has the PLO ever spoken of those borders. Nor has the UN ever spoken about those borders at least since 242 in 1967. Nor does Hamas mention those borders in anything I’ve ever read. So your insistence on those borders is sensible, but a quirk and not something that’s really on the table. Maybe some day it will be on the table and you can say, “I told you so.” But until then we are living in 2019 and the relevant UN resolution is 242. ||

Maybe one day Israel will respect 242 and withdraw its armed forces from territories it occupied in 1967 and you can say “I told you so” but until then your insistence on defining my notion of a valid way to assist the Palestinian economy is a quirk.

Philip Munger
Philip Munger on May 23, 2019, 1:10 pm

Maybe the BDS group should consider boycotting Saudi Arabia and the UAE too, apart from Israel.

They truly deserve it.

I’ve boycotted Saudi Arabia as best I could since way back. It’s hard to do entirely, as gasoline is fungible. Living in Alaska, the likelihood of me encountering Saudi products is pretty marginal. I’ve avoided buying GE and Starbucks for years, as they are heavily invested in aspects of Saudi infrastructure. Lots of other reasons to boycott Starbucks, too.

wondering jew
wondering jew on May 23, 2019, 12:32 pm

eljay- When the PLO first “recognized Israel” in 1988, I was surprised that their recognition said nothing about the 47 partition borders. but they did not. nor has the PLO ever spoken of those borders. Nor has the UN ever spoken about those borders at least since 242 in 1967. Nor does Hamas mention those borders in anything I’ve ever read. So your insistence on those borders is sensible, but a quirk and not something that’s really on the table. Maybe some day it will be on the table and you can say, “I told you so.” But until then we are living in 2019 and the relevant UN resolution is 242.

eljay on May 23, 2019, 12:17 pm

|| mondonut: … This is them passing on a chance to improve their economy … ||

Give them access to, control over and – without interference – let them exploit their own resources. That’ll help the Palestinians of Partition-borders Palestine improve their economy.


But we all know that Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

Kay24 on May 23, 2019, 11:25 am

Well, they love to be occupied for decades, have their lands stolen, and enjoy watching their kids suffer with no hopes for the future, and be killed by the hundreds, according to the apologists.

Kay24 on May 23, 2019, 11:23 am

Mondo blaming the victims again, and giving the aggressors a pass.

oldgeezer on May 23, 2019, 11:05 am


That might be good news but I’m too great a cynic to take it at face value. We will see if he fires or restrains the efforts of Bolton and Pompeo.

This really could be just another step along the road to war.

In 6 weeks time a press conference is held. The WH spokesman says it is common knowledge that the pres ordered officials to avoid confrontation.And they have constantly tried but Iran keeps provoking us leaving the pres with no further options.

In short just a way to create a ‘fact’ for later use.

just on May 23, 2019, 11:04 am

Are you affiliated with Breaking the Silence, Yossi? How about B’Tselem? I do appreciate you sharing this even though it was mightily difficult to read, and I had to do it over the course of 1.5 hours. I am glad that you’ve found a new way forward, and I think I am not far off when I guess that you remain haunted.

You write “I hate the Israeli army with a passion. I think it is the most corrupting element in Israeli society.” What about the violent settlers that have illegally seized Palestinian lands that are abetted by the IOF? They appear to work in concert, don’t they? I have so many more questions, and will continue to follow this thread.

just on May 23, 2019, 10:44 am

Thanks for posting this, Misterioso. imho, Gravel has held many positive and innovative positions over the years and on many issues. His voice is important~ nobody else is telling the truth regarding Palestine/Israel. Bernie is really the only one and he’s still light years away. “Linguistic genocide” is ever so accurate. I hope his voice will be heard loud and clear as this pre- election season continues.

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 10:30 am


More grist for the mill:


“Trump orders aides to avoid open conflict with Iran: Report” Press TV, May 17/19

“US President Donald Trump has ordered his administration to avoid a military confrontation with Iran, the New York Times and Reuters have reported.

“The Times reported Friday that Trump, during a Wednesday morning meeting in the Situation Room, sent a message to his hawkish aides that he does not want the US pressure campaign against Iran to explode into an open conflict.

“‘Trump was firm in saying he did not want a military clash with the Iranians,’ read the paper citing five senior officials who described the administration’s internal debate over Iran.

“The account was echoed by Reuters news agency which said Trump had communicated to his national security team and other aides to avoid an armed conflict.

“’He doesn’t want to go to war. It’s not who he is,’ said one official speaking on condition of anonymity.

“The report cited anonymous officials informed on the matter as saying that Trump had privately expressed concern that some of his advisers, such a John Bolton, were pushing for war.

“Trump’s order comes a week after Bolton announced that the US was sending an aircraft carrier strike group and a bomber task force to the Middle East to counter a ‘threat’ from Tehran.

“Hawks in Trump’s team have reportedly gone as far as drawing up plans for a possible military strike that could involve sending 120,000 soldiers to the Middle East.

“American lawmakers from both parties have expressed frustration about the administration’s increasing war rhetoric and lacking consultation with Congress.

“In a move to quell lawmakers’ frustration, administration officials held a briefing for the Senate and House leaders from both parties later on Thursday.

“Following the session, Democrat Senator Richard Durbin said, ‘It’s a situation where this president has surrounded himself with people, Pompeo and Bolton in particular, who believe that getting tough on a military basis with Iran is in our best interest.’

“Various reports in the past two weeks have said that Trump has been specifically at odds with Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over their push for military confrontation with Iran.

“Earlier this week, US media reported that Trump was considering replacing Bolton.”

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 10:21 am


“Palestine Campaign to highlight racist Israel narratives” May 20/19, Middle East Monitor

“EuroPal Forum organised the initiative to visualise and document discriminatory statements made by individuals that hold a prominent position in the contemporary Israeli society.”

“Palestinian activists have launched an online campaign to highlight the discrimination towards Palestinians in Israeli public life.

“EuroPal Forum organised the initiative titled ‘Israeli racism in quotes’ to visualise and document discriminatory statements made by individuals that hold a prominent position in the contemporary Israeli society.

“Since it began the initiative has seen a daily image circulated with quotes from senior members of Israeli society be they political, religious or human rights activists.

“The idea that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East is a ‘misrepresentation,’ EuroPal Forum said in a statement, adding that it’s campaign aims to highlight this by bringing to light Israel’s actions which ‘structurally and constitutionally’ work ‘towards the subordination of Palestinian rights.’

“This became ever more prevalent last year with the passing of the racist Nation-State Law which, declared Palestinian citizens of Israel second class citizens.

“Chairman of EuroPal Forum, Zaher Birawi, said: ‘This campaign is part of EuroPal Forum’s efforts to delegitimise the occupation and its illegal and racist practices, and to challenge all parties and countries that condone the racism of the Israeli political and religious establishment towards the Palestinians.’

“’Silence on these statements is indicative of the acquiescence that many countries and international institutions have shown when it comes to racism towards Palestinians at the hands of the occupation,’ he continued.

“EuroPal Forum said it is exclusively using trusted Israeli news sites to gather the quotes being circulated as part of the campaign. These are then being distributed on social media platforms Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.”

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 10:11 am


Sigh. Didn’t your mother or father tell you that sometimes it’s best to keep your mouth shut?
You keep firing blanks. Hasbara Central must be very disappointed and losing patience with you.

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 10:04 am

@seancbreathnach, et al

Very interesting:


“Was that the next Palestinian president you just banned, Mr. Trump?” Redress Information & Analysis, May 20/19, by Stuart Littlewood.

“Grandma Ashrawi is more than a match for Israel’s stooges in the White House and whatever ‘deal of the century’ they have cooked up for the Holy Land.”

“So, the Trump administration will no longer allow Hanan Ashrawi into the US, even though she’s a top diplomat, has family there and visits regularly. Why?

“A US State Department spokesperson told Haaretz that ‘visa records are confidential under US law; therefore, we cannot discuss the details of individual visa cases,’ adding that the law ‘does not authorise the refusal of visas based solely on political statements or views if those statements or views would be lawful in the United States.’

“Pettiness and vindictiveness”
“Ashrawi is reported as saying, in her forthright way, that refusal to let her in was a political act and full of ‘pettiness and vindictiveness.’

“Ashrawi, a Palestinian Christian, is something of a hot potato. She was elected to the Palestinian Legislative Council representing Jerusalem in 1996 and again in 2006. She has been a member of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) for 20 years, becoming the first woman to hold a seat in the highest executive body in Palestine. It is recognised as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by the 137 states with which it has diplomatic relations. Ashrawi’s father, a physician, was a founder of the PLO.

“She has a Bachelor’s and Master’s degree in literature from the Department of English at the American University of Beirut and completed her education with a PhD in Medieval and Comparative Literature from the University of Virginia. She is also an Honorary Fellow of St Antony’s College, Oxford.

“Ashrawi has been an official spokesperson of the Palestinian delegation to the Middle East peace process, starting with the Madrid Peace Conference of 1991. In 1996 she was appointed as the Palestinian Authority Minister of Higher Education and Research. Before that she was Dean of the Faculty of Arts at Birzeit University.

“In 2003 Ashrawi received the Sydney Peace Prize, an award praised by, among others, Madeleine Albright, former US Secretary of State. Albright called Ashrawi ‘a brilliant spokeswoman for her cause.’

“Ashrawi, now 72, is a grandmother, and several of her grandchildren live in the United States. So, why is America hostile towards her?

“Israeli occupation ‘a most pervasive form of oppression, dispossession and denial’

“In a recent article in Aljazeera Marwan Bishara reminds us that for the past year and a half Trump and his administration have been showering Binyamin Netanyahu and his apartheid regime with anti-Palestinian ‘gifts’… like recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv, ending US assistance to UNRWA (the UN agency that supports millions of Palestinian refugees), quitting the UN Human Rights Council and shutting down the PLO’s office in Washington.

“As if that wasn’t enough, the Trump administration has stopped describing the West Bank and East Jerusalem (which are Palestinian) as ‘occupied’ and instead calls them ‘Israeli-controlled.’ This gives Netanyahu all the encouragement he needs for expanding Israel’s illegal settlements and pledging to annex them. To cap it all, Trump then delivered Netanyahu a splendid election present in recognising Israel’s illegal annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights. Of course, whatever Trump says that territory is still Syria’s.

“Western media, when providing ‘balance’ to news on the Israel-Palestine conflict, usually wheel in a Palestinian spokesperson who is unintelligible. Israeli spokespersons, on the other hand, are media trained and sound very British/American, giving them a huge advantage. Ashrawi has perfect English and is a highly articulate and persuasive woman – an unrivalled expert in Middle East affairs – and capable of reducing Trump and his entourage to mincemeat in any broadcast encounter. Therefore, she poses a clear and present danger to their hopes of putting across and maintaining the false narrative that sustains Israel’s rogue dominance in the Middle East.

“This is one formidable lady! I have her down as the next Palestinian president, head and shoulders above any male candidates. But will the good people of Palestine have a say in the matter? The presidency of Mahmoud Abbas, the quisling loser, should have ended in 2009. But the corrupt system he presides over has allowed him to cling to power indefinitely, to his people’s great detriment.”

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 9:58 am


“Saudi Arabia and UAE want war with iran, that’s what Kushner is dangling.”

However, America’s generals have made it clear to Trump that a war in the Strait of Hormuz would have no winners, only losers.

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 9:47 am

Worth noting:


“Dem Presidential Hopeful Accuses ‘Racist’ Israel of ‘Genocide.'”
Middle East Monitor, May 22/19

“A veteran US politician who has announced his candidacy for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination for 2020 has described Israel as a ‘racist state’ which is committing ‘genocide’ against the Palestinians. The remarks were made on Twitter by 88 year old former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel.

“’The bloodshed in Palestine and Israel will not cease until the fundamentally unjust existing structure is jettisoned,’ said Gravel. His message appears to be a response to the ceasefire agreement between Hamas and Israel. He called on the US to end its ‘support’ for Israel, describing the Zionist state as a ‘right-wing racist regime’ that is ‘committed to annexation and gradual ethnic cleansing.’ Gravel ended by insisting that a ‘binational state with equal rights for all’ would be the best way to end the conflict.

“In a separate tweet published a day later, the veteran politician denounced a tweet by one of his followers who claimed that, ‘There is no Palestine.’ He condemned the remark as a form of ‘linguistic genocide’ rooted in the ‘racist ideology of Meir Kahane,’ a far-right orthodox Rabbi who founded the ‘Jewish Defence League,’ which was listed as a right-wing terrorist group. Describing Israel as an ‘evil government,’ Gravel encouraged people to read the works of Orthodox Jewish intellectual and polymath Yeshayahu Leibowitz and not to ‘sacrifice your morals and faith to support an evil government.’

“Leibowitz cautioned against Israeli militarism. Commenting on the 1953 massacre of Palestinians in the village of Qibya by the notorious Israeli commando Unit 101, he said: ‘We have to ask ourselves, where this youth of ours emerged from; young people who had no mental inhibitions about committing this atrocity? What inner motivation for such acts could have been at work here? This youth is not a mob but the product of Zionist, humanist social education.’

“The Israel Prize nominee warned that the state of Israel and Zionism had become more sacred than Jewish humanist values and controversially went on to describe Israeli conduct in the occupied Palestinian territories as ‘Judeo-Nazi’ in nature.

“A profile of Gravel and his campaign team in the Forward magazine claims that he is ‘close to qualifying for next month’s Democratic debates by hitting the party’s benchmarks – 65,000 individual donors by June 12, or hitting at least 1 per cent in three major polls.’

“One of Gravel’s campaign team is Jewish teenager David Oks. Judaism, he believes, has been ‘used to serve a project of very soft [sic] ethnic cleansing.’ Commenting on Gravel’s position on Palestine, Oks added: ‘It’s important to Gravel because he’s always sympathised with oppressed people all over the world.’

“He went on to explain his personal views. “For me, it’s important because I’ve seen Judaism, something I care very deeply about, become deformed into this monstrous justification for the Bibi Netanyahu government, and I think that if Israel continues doing these really atrocious things in Gaza and the West Bank, then global Jewry are going to be indelibly haunted by them.’”

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 9:35 am

An informative read:


“How Trump’s Approach to the Middle East Ignores the Past, the Future, and the Human Condition” Arab America, May 22/19, by Shibley Telhami.*

“President Trump’s son-in-law and top Middle East adviser, Jared Kushner, pushed back recently against suggestions that the administration should hold off on its expected ‘deal of the century’ plan for Middle East peace over concerns that it’s likely to be dead on arrival. As part of the unveiling, the administration revealed plans to hold an ‘economic workshop’ in Bahrain to discuss ‘potential economic investments and initiatives that could be made possible by a peace agreement.’ Immediately rejecting the idea, the Palestinians called it an attempt ‘at promoting an economic normalization of the Israeli occupation of Palestine.’

“While the specific details of the Trump plan remain unknown, we already know the troubling principles on which the plan is based. Details aside, Trump’s approach not only breaks with international law and long-held U.S. policies, but it also enshrines historic U.S. responsibility in an unjust process that will ultimately backfire against Israel, the Palestinians, and American interests.

“Let’s start with the principles of the approach as revealed by Kushner and other members of Trump’s team. While ignoring prior peace agreements, U.N. resolutions, and international law, Trump’s approach is anchored on three flawed principles: ‘realities’ on the ground as they are, appeal to ethnic/religious justifications of Israeli control of occupied territories, and economic incentives to appease Palestinian political aspirations. The first ignores the history of the U.S. role in creating these realities; the second ignores the future consequences of framing the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as an ethnic/religious conflict, instead of a nationalist conflict; the third misses not only the nature of the Palestinian struggle but of the human condition.

“Without the weight of international law and United Nations resolutions, the ‘realities’ on the ground are hugely advantageous to Israel: Palestinians remain stateless and under occupation. To varying degrees, Israel controls all Palestinian territories, with expanding Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. While the Palestinians have limited security forces and armed militias, Israel commands the strongest army in the region and its GDP is 23 times the size of that of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

“Some of these realities are in large part due to historic U.S. support for Israel. To be sure, multiple U.S. administrations have engaged in good-faith efforts to address the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, sometimes promisingly. And the blame for failure must be spread, including to Israelis, Palestinians, and other Arabs. But the core American empowerment of Israel has remained largely consistent throughout.

“Much is made of the $3.8 billion in annual U.S. aid to Israel—more than all of the combined American security aid to the rest of the world. But the biggest assistance to Israel is not financial. Three U.S. strategic assets have particularly shielded Israel from feeling meaningful regional or international heat over its occupation of Palestinian territories and constructing illegal settlements there.

“One big asset favoring Israel is the American mediation of the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt 40 years ago and expending much leverage to maintain them since. These accords have arguably served Israeli, Egyptian, and American interests. They have also substantially reduced the chance of Egyptian-Israeli war (a good thing). But they also reduced the leverage in favor of Israeli compromise toward the Palestinians—the opposite of what President Jimmy Carter had hoped for, and an aspect over which he now expresses some ‘lingering disappointment.’

“Second, the United States has shielded Israel at the United Nations. Since the establishment of Israel in 1948, a majority of vetoes employed by the U.S. at the U.N. Security Council pertained to Israel—43. It is reasonable to assume that, had it not been for the U.S. threat of veto, illegal Israeli settlements would have been sanctioned by the international community.
Third, the Israeli military’s upper hand is in part due to its success in building an effective organization; in only a few decades, Israelis have built a successful and prosperous advanced state. But there should be no illusion. The upper hand that Israel has over combined regional armies, and maybe even Russian forces in Syria, is principally a function of one thing: U.S. commitment to provide Israel with the cutting edge technology to assure its qualitative military edge over anyone else.

“Aid has made Israel more secure, as intended. It has often served mutual Israeli and American interests. But one argument for the unparalleled level of support has been that a secure Israel will be better able to compromise. Instead, aid has created more asymmetry with reduced Israeli incentive to adhere to international law and to compromise.

“All this to say that the historic American commitment to Israel, manifesting itself in unparalleled backing, means the U.S. has a responsibility to mitigate the resulting asymmetric realities through fair efforts. Instead, Trump promises not only to enshrine the deep inequality but also to deploy the assets of a superpower to sway the weaker party, including by withholding humanitarian aid as an instrument of political pressure

“Beyond ‘realities’ that ignore the past, Trump’s approach embraces a dangerous framing of the conflict as a religious/ethnic conflict with no end in sight. Trump advisers’ justification of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Israeli sovereignty over a unified Jerusalem with reference to faith and biblical claims is both wrong and dangerous. It is wrong because—even as everyone is entitled to their own faith and religious narrative—such narratives cannot be the basis of political sovereignty in our time. And it’s dangerous because it pits ‘Jewish’ and ‘Christian’ narratives against Muslim/Arab narratives, assuring decades of conflict with little hope for compromise.

“Sure, Arab governments will always do what’s good for them and their own states, and their priorities may incline them to swallow hard and acquiesce. But consider this: Despite 40 years of effective state-to-state peace between Israel and Egypt—and 24 years of peace between Israel and Jordan—the Jordanians and Egyptians reject ‘normalization’ with Israel and largely consider Israel as their enemy. Sure, Egyptians and Jordanians (like others in Arab countries) may identify with their own states first. But they will never stop being also Arab and (mostly) Muslim—identities that are emphasized especially as Israel has increasingly defined its character in religious/ethnic terms.

“Peace with Palestinians that addresses their political aspirations and yearnings for freedom is Israel’s path to acceptance by Arab and Muslim masses; without an Israeli-Palestinian peace, it’s a Jewish-Muslim or an Arab-Israeli conflict for decades to come.

“As Kushner counsels dropping talk of two states—and certainly would reject full equality of Palestinians and Israelis as an alternative—all the economic incentives that Trump may offer Palestinians could never satisfy their yearnings. In the hopeful days of the 1990s, a great deal was invested in such ambitious projects as Bethlehem 2000. When political negotiations collapsed, violence erupted, and investments went up in flames. To assume that the promise of economic improvement would outweigh ordinary human aspirations of a people who have painfully struggled for decades is to miss the nature of the human condition.

“Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab leaders share the blame for the absence of peace. But the American role is inescapable. Details aside, the principles of Trump’s approach implicate the U.S. in a hopeless path that plants the seeds of more trouble ahead. There will be no winners here, only losers, some more than others.”

*Shibley Telhami is the Anwar Sadat Professor for Peace and Development at the University of Maryland and is a nonresident senior fellow in the Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World, as well as the Center for Middle East Policy, and the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution. In the past, Telhami served as a senior advisor to the U.S. Department of State, advisor to the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, advisor to Congressman Lee Hamilton, and as a member of the Iraq Study Group. This Article first appeared with the Brookings Institution.

Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 8:38 am


“Hatred for Muslims is now found all over the world, including Australia and New Zealand.”

So is hatred of Jews and other minorities and it is rapidly growing.

eljay on May 23, 2019, 8:31 am

|| Marnie: madonna’s sez her heart breaks about the ‘ancient conflict’? The ‘ancient conflict’ is technically 11 years older than herself. WTF is she talking about? ||

I thought it was cute how she Zionistically transformed a blatant act of mid-20th century ethnic cleansing and colonialism committed by Jewish supremacists (Zionists) and their (war) criminal state into some sort of mythical “ancient conflict” between the forces of:
– good (Jews / Israeli(te)s); and
– evil (non-Jews / Palestinians / Ayerabs / Mooslims).

eljay on May 23, 2019, 7:44 am

|| mon donut: … At least you managed to stay on subject … ||

Wish I could say the same about you.

|| … Israel decides who is (or not) Israeli. … ||

Obviously. And Zionistically.

|| … Israel, as a sovereign state, defines their own foreign assistance. … ||

Obviously. And Zionistically.

|| … Israel has no refugees, they handled that long ago. … ||

That should make honouring RoR pretty straightforward. But for some reason Israel continues to refuse to honour it. Bizarre.

|| … Your bizarre assertion that what the world thinks of as Palestinian refugees are actually (unbeknownst to themselves) Israeli refugees is just that, bizarre. ||

It seems bizarre to me to suggest that refugees from a region defined by a country – in this case, Partition-borders Israel – aren’t refugees from that country. Bizarre.

seancbreathnach on May 23, 2019, 7:29 am

“Only a two-state solution can meet the aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians and deliver sustainable peace and security,” said Germany’s UN ambassador Christoph Heusgen.

Unfortunately the two-state solution is long gone, as any serious onlooker of the Israel/Palestinian conflict will tell you. Those who continue with the two-state charade are misguided.


eljay on May 23, 2019, 7:19 am

|| wondering jew: eljay- there is nothing intrinsically wrong on insisting on the partition borders. but in fact when arafat shook hands with rabin and when negotiators of ehud barak’s spoke to negotiators of arafat in taba in 2001, and when olmert negotiated with abbas, there was no mention of the partition borders. to treat the situation as if those negotiations never took place seems to be to be counterintuitive. maybe because there will be no peace in either case you can choose your framework of rejection, but in fact the negotiations that came closest to an agreement: taba 2001 and olmert-abbas of 2008 were not based on the partition borders. ||

Israel accepted Partition borders and was recognized as a sovereign state within them. It seems counterintuitive – a “framework of rejection”, if you will – to treat:
– that situation as if it never happened;
– every Israeli act of military occupation, colonization and annexation since then as if it were legitimate; and
– two sets of failed negotiations as if they had been successful.

just on May 23, 2019, 6:49 am

Thank heavens for B’Tselem:

“Israeli Army Blamed Palestinians for Arson by Settlers. Then a Video Emerged …

The Israeli military admitted on Thursday that Jewish settlers set West Bank fields on fire last Friday, changing its version after it originally blamed the arson on Palestinians.

Clashes broke out on Friday in the area between the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar and the nearby Palestinian villages of Burin, Urif and Asira al-Qibliya, with settlers and Palestinians accusing each other of setting farm fields on fire.

In one video taken by Palestinians during the confrontations, settlers are seen standing close to a home in a Palestinian village and throwing rocks at nearby houses. Four soldiers can be seen standing among the settlers and doing nothing to stop them.

In a written statement, the Israeli army originally said that together with Border Police troops and civilian volunteers, it had worked to extinguish “a fire set by Palestinians near Asira al-Qibliya” that was “approaching Yitzhar and a military outpost.”

The Israel Defense Forces’ Spokesperson’s Unit confirmed that settlers, too, were responsbile for the blazes after Israeli human rights nonprofit organization B’Tselem published on Wednesday a video clip that shows that the settlers took part in igniting the fires.

B’Tselem’s video shows that at least two settlers set fields on fire. Another video shows settlers at Yitzhar fields, lighting fires that quickly spread.

Changing its version following the videos’ publication, the Israeli military stated that “several fires were set and quickly spread” in the West Bank, and that at the same time, “about 20 residents went down to the outskirts of the village of Asira al-Qibliya and began throwing stones.”

The IDF also said it put up a fence between Yitzhar and Urif after settlers assaulted villagers on April 13. In that incident, settlers were filmed throwing rocks at a vehicle driven by a Palestinian family. In addition to the fence, the Border Police increased its presence in the area.”


(videos @ link)

Tuyzentfloot on May 23, 2019, 6:02 am

The Guardian talks about and Anti-BDS motion. Looks like a statement, not binding, not a law.

Marnie on May 23, 2019, 1:37 am

madonna’s sez her heart breaks about the ‘ancient conflict’? The ‘ancient conflict’ is technically 11 years older than herself. WTF is she talking about?

annie on May 23, 2019, 12:24 am

saudi arabia and UAE want war with iran, that’s what kushner is dangling.

annie on May 23, 2019, 12:13 am

wj, the primary season doesn’t start for another 10 months. the dnc favorite is kamala harris and thus far there has not even been a full court press moment with her like they’ve done for beto, buttegig, and biden. iow, it’s too early to make predictions like yours. and biden could easily flub up between now and then. it’ll come down to bernie and somebody tho.

Marnie on May 22, 2019, 10:56 pm

The ‘personality politics’ of Narendra Modi and Donald Trump – BBC …

“Minutes later, the prime minister is introduced on stage as the emcee calls on everyone to make a noise so loud it’s “an airstrike of claps”- a reference to the airstrikes India says it carried out inside Pakistani territory earlier this year.

They do much more than that – whooping, screeching, whipping out mobile phones as they chant “Modi, Modi” in unison.

“Bharat mata ki jai (victory for mother India)”, Mr Modi says, as he kicks off his speech.

Once again I’m having a 2016 flashback to choruses of “USA, USA”.

In the pantomime style I’ve witnessed at Trump rallies, Mr Modi, too, encourages audience interaction.

“Should we not kill terrorists in their homes?” he asks. “Tell me, should we not?”

“No, we should,” the crowd replies.

Mr Modi also devotes time to criticise his main opponent, Congress party leader Rahul Gandhi.

Both him and Mr Trump present themselves as outsiders with contempt for those they see as the imperious ruling classes. Both ran against members of political dynasties – Hillary Clinton, whose husband is a former president, and Mr Gandhi, the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family.

Mr Modi derides “the Khan Market gang” – a reference to one of Delhi’s most exclusive areas, inhabited by the country’s most privileged.

Mr Trump, who’d never held public office before, brands Washington’s elite members of the so-called “swamp”.

“They want votes in the name of their ancestors but when I question the work their ancestors have done, and what they’ve done to our country, they get irritated,” Mr Modi says as hundreds roar in approval.

He did not hold back in his attacks on the opposition and many felt he had sunk to a new low when he criticised his opponent’s dead father.

He described Rajiv Gandhi, a former prime minister who was assassinated in 1991, as “corrupt number one”.

It reminded me of similar insults Donald Trump directed at Senator John McCain, who lost his battle with cancer last year.

Both Donald Trump and Narendra Modi pride themselves on being direct, but their speeches have sometimes descended into the distasteful.

But for both sets of supporters, there’s a broad acceptance that it doesn’t matter if the lines of political civility are crossed – as long as the job is done.

The cult of personality politics is what ties the two leaders. Their respective bases believe that personalities like Mr Trump and Mr Modi are ready to stand up for voices that are usually ignored by the ruling classes.

“I really like him – there’s such an attraction,” Santosh, a mechanic from Delhi tells me, as he clutches his 18-month-old baby who is also dressed as the prime minister.

“I’m ready to skip a meal but I’m not ready for anyone to disrespect our country – that’s why I like Modi.”

lonely rico
lonely rico on May 22, 2019, 10:10 pm

> Nathan

it’s probably the super-successful BDS that has smashed all hopes for a bright future

Got it Nathan – the demand that Israel respect international humanitarian law and justice is screwing up the lovely possibility for your sweet supremacist racist state.

Of course, the only question that remains on our agenda is why are YOU so obsessed with a country that is so obviously doomed

The only question is how the cruel violence of racist zionism can be curtailed and erased from the face of the Middle East, how Palestine can arise from the ashes to become a state of justice for all its inhabitants.

wondering jew
wondering jew on May 22, 2019, 9:05 pm

eljay- there is nothing intrinsically wrong on insisting on the partition borders. but in fact when arafat shook hands with rabin and when negotiators of ehud barak’s spoke to negotiators of arafat in taba in 2001, and when olmert negotiated with abbas, there was no mention of the partition borders. to treat the situation as if those negotiations never took place seems to be to be counterintuitive. maybe because there will be no peace in either case you can choose your framework of rejection, but in fact the negotiations that came closest to an agreement: taba 2001 and olmert-abbas of 2008 were not based on the partition borders.

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 8:20 pm

@eljay , citizens of Jordan are not refugees from Palestine;

At least you managed to stay on subject long enough to agree the UNRWA is either massively corrupt or incredibly mismanaged. Either way, kudos.

As for your off topic statements:

– Israel decides who is (or not) Israeli. And if anyone chooses to self identify as an exile or ancient whatever, I could not care less. Just as I do not care that thousands of migrants and recent arrivals to Mandate Palestine chose to self identify as Palestinians having 15,000 year old roots between the river and the sea.

– Israel, as a sovereign state, defines their own foreign assistance. If they want to provide to non-Israelis living in homelands all over the world, they are free to do so.

– Israel has no refugees, they handled that long ago. Your bizarre assertion that what the world thinks of as Palestinian refugees are actually (unbeknownst to themselves) Israeli refugees is just that, bizarre.

eljay on May 22, 2019, 7:34 pm

|| mon donut: … Yea, there are no partition borders, nor have there ever been. … ||

Like I said: There is a very obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy, but Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

Thanks, donut. You’ve been very helpful today.

Nathan on May 22, 2019, 7:13 pm

Yes, Misterioso, you’re absolutely right on every count. Everyone is leaving Israel. Poverty has overwhelmed the population (it’s probably the super-successful BDS that has smashed all hopes for a bright future). Most importantly, the San Francisco Jews have turned their backs on Israel, so really the situation is beyond grim. Of course, the only question that remains on our agenda is why are YOU so obsessed with a country that is so obviously doomed.

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:10 pm

@eljay The most obvious way … Partition borders; … Partition-borders … Partition borders of their new state.

Yea, there are no partition borders, nor have there ever been. These fantasies (among others) bring real harm to the Palestinian people.

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:06 pm

@Ossinev “opportunity” to have multiple mini commercial bantustans

How is it that you know the details of the conference agenda and Trump’s plan?

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:03 pm

@Kay24 Yeah, maybe they are hard of hearing,

Palestinians passing on opportunities to achieve statehood are another subject. This is them passing on a chance to improve their economy, apparently because the kleptocrat political elites were not invited.

JWalters on May 22, 2019, 6:55 pm

“If other progressive Jews are like me, they feel an internal dissonance when it comes to pressuring Israel, a voice inside their head that says: Don’t turn on your own…”

Regarding that dissonance, Israel-born, Jewish therapist Avigail Abarbanel has written
“It’s time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped”

Actually, it’s time for ALL Americans to recognize they have been duped. As Mondoweiss has repeatedly documented, the main participants in our political discussion, in both the press and politics, have been steered by Zionist money into covering up the immense, ongoing crimes of Israel.

The Jewish American community has been subjected to an extra heavy dose of the one-sided Zionist story, using cult-like tactics.
“Why I left the cult”
“Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and NYT buries the news)”

Breaking free from a deep emotional attachment is never easy. But a deep emotional attachment to a fiction, a fantasy, a dream, derails our reason and distorts our perception of reality, which lead to awful decisions. Breaking free from the false requires repeated focus on the facts, focusing our brain on reality. And as we return to reality we will feel a great relief from the dissonance.

My thanks and congratulations to Peter Beinart for his personal effort, courage, and leadership in this transition.

wondering jew
wondering jew on May 22, 2019, 6:21 pm

I realize that the focus here will always be on the propaganda aspects of “Exodus” and I respect that, but for me it was also a movie and a movie experience and I think it was Sal Mineo’s greatest role and don’t tell me about “Rebel Without a Cause” where he plays a nerd, in Exodus he plays a rebel with a cause and that is certainly a much greater fulfillment of Mineo’s potential. The interplay between Paul Newman and Opatashu was great and Lee J. Cobb as Opatashu’s brother was also great. Paul Newman’s character is rather flat compared to all the overacting going on around him. the fact that newman was half Jewish (according to Adam Sandler’s song) only makes the portrayal sweeter. (the interplay between Newman and eva marie saint was quite intriguing and the unknown girl who played mineo’s crush, who looked nonJewish because of her blonde hair, made quite an impression on me as a youth and Karen’s death at the end of Exodus was quite sad. Her shell shocked father also left quite an impression.) To condemn it as propaganda but not to analyze its strengths as fiction or melodrama is to miss half the story. Why was it so effective?

just on May 22, 2019, 6:05 pm

I knew that! ;-0

Seriously, you are amazing! You are honest. You’ve obviously researched extensively and provided carefully sourced historical material. You are impossibly patient, professional, respectful (even when it is not warranted), and knowledgeable. You have lived and taught in Palestine.

I appreciate your scholarship and your many contributions here @ MW.

(I think that it is magic and a wonder that Tom Suárez and Jonathan Ofir are both talented musicians who contribute so much to the important conversations that must be held… 2 amazing writers and humans focused on justice!)

wondering jew
wondering jew on May 22, 2019, 6:03 pm

Currently the Democratic presidential race is shaping up as Biden versus Bernie. (kind of early to write the others off, but let’s accept the frame of mind.) there will be pressure from bernie for Biden to be more critical of Bibi, that will be interesting to watch.

As far as Beinart not being as much of a leader as Phil Weiss wants him to be, all I can say is LOL.

As far as what roles are going to be played by progressive Jews or progressive Zionists, I don’t know. But don’t confuse Beinart with Doerfler. They’re not on the same page. Beinart is closely identified with a specific trend in Jewish history and Doerfler is not, unless middle Europe refinement is a specific trend in Jewish history, and I think that it is not. Beinart is attached to this moment in Jewish history, as viewed through the glasses that have seen the last 140 years of european jewish history and not in the specific culture of the cafes of middle Europe.

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 5:58 pm

Eunice, don’t be such a yachneh.

Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 5:50 pm

Of course Saudi Arabia and the UAE will be there with bells on. After all what other way can you show BFF Kushner and the zionists, that you are willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus, and will ignore the fact that Kushner has handed the zionists all that their greedy hearts have stolen or built on, leaving the victims with NOTHING?
That advice Kushner gives Bin Salman, must be really valuable.

Tom Suarez
Tom Suarez on May 22, 2019, 5:31 pm

[lol here’s a bona fide correction: word “not” obviously missing from 1st sentence written in haste]

eljay on May 22, 2019, 5:21 pm

|| jon s: eljay, just,

Thanks for responding. ||

You’re welcome.  :-)

Tom Suarez
Tom Suarez on May 22, 2019, 5:03 pm

Your rants do qualify as “corrections”. You do not even have the integrity to quote what I write without distorting it beyond recognition to suit your propaganda. Even when I reproduce the precise quote from my book, you ignore it and again repeat the mis-wording that suits your purpose.
You like to quote Zionist apologists as gospel — except, of course, the Stern Gang, witnesses at the time, who you ignore because they don’t offer the answer you need. (They reported, independently, the same as Giladi.)
Most hilarious of all, you say that the Foreign Office documents “prove nothing”. Really! The primary source? I worked hard to have declassified the very source documents that would hold THE “smoking gun” if Giladi were right — the secret correspondence of the very people whom Giladi accuses. I state not one iota more than what they prove, and make explicit what they do not prove.
You are free to vent about my book and/or me in whatever embarrassingly desperate hyperbole you wish, but that, not “corrections”, is what you’ve been doing.

Citizen on May 22, 2019, 5:00 pm

UNWRA is key showing what’s up.

jon s
jon s on May 22, 2019, 4:46 pm

eljay, just,
Thanks for responding.

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 4:36 pm

“He’s rusty; he can do better than this.”

Some people are ‘useful idiots’ and some people are just idiots.

MHughes976 on May 22, 2019, 4:31 pm

I couldn’t find a reference to Trumbo’s note to Preminger. Is it also in George Ball’s book?

MHughes976 on May 22, 2019, 4:20 pm

Surely sock puppets get moth eaten rather than rusty. Or does Mooser wear iron socks?

Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 4:17 pm

This may have started in the US, but it has spread through Europe, and now found in Southeast Asia.
This poison has spread to the unlikeliest places, like Myanmar, and Sri Lanka. Certain nations that benefit from ethnic wars, have fueled it, and added to it, so that they can sell their weapons.
Hatred for Muslims is now found all over the world, including Australia and New Zealand.
The above haters like Geller, Horowitz, and others, should be held responsible for the rise in hate crimes, and the killing of Muslims, the consequences of this campaign of Islamaphobia.

Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 4:09 pm

Yeah, maybe they are hard of hearing, when Israel continuously offers to end the occupation, and promises to halt the building of illegal settlements on their stolen lands. How dare they pretend they are short of hearing, and cannot hear these kind offers.

James North
James North on May 22, 2019, 4:00 pm

Mooser: Where have you been hiding “Grover,” your sock puppet? He’s rusty; he can do better than this.

eljay on May 22, 2019, 3:43 pm

|| mon donut: … It is quite a stretch to find evil in an attempt to assist the Palestinian economy but as we are witnessing the Palestinians and their supporters are up to the challenge. … ||

The most obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy is for:
– Israel to end its decades-long and on-going occupation of territory outside of its / Partition borders; and, with the support of the U.S.,
– for Partition-borders Palestine to emerge as an independent state with full control of its land, sea and air-spaces and its resources; and
– for Palestinians to solicit – freely and without interference – investment and development within the Partition borders of their new state.

(Same applies to the Free City of Jerusalem.)

But as we all know Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

Ossinev on May 22, 2019, 3:41 pm

“What was that about Palestinians and missed opportunities?”

Yup it would appear that they are determined to miss this “opportunity” to have multiple mini commercial bantustans instead of the promised “in due course” sovereign state with sovereign borders , sovereign government , sovereign self respect and sovereign dignity “promised” to them by the Ziofascists and the US Benjamites.

Silly Palestinian Arabs – how can one possibly “negotiate” with these inferior races with their naive concepts of self determination and legitimacy !

brent on May 22, 2019, 3:25 pm

This important article identifies the elephant in the room, American capitulation. It ends with, “The ultimate question is, How effective is organizing inside the Jewish community as a means of changing US policy? Answer: It doesn’t work. Most of the Democratic progressives whom Beinart is counting on don’t hear a voice in their head saying that non-Jews will criticize Israel too much.”

Not having one authority or a one gun policy, with criticism for lone wolf violence, has allowed the Palestinian side to consistently get outmaneuvered, unable to seriously move public opinion or to establish the safe political ground for American politicians to be moved to. The lack of appreciation for the game of politics and building coalitions has proven counterproductive. The confusion over non-violence or violence underpins confusion over co-existence or replacement.

Palestinian rejection of current diplomacy before its launched can set back the cause for a generation as it will reinforce the narratives they don’t seek peace and they bring bad things upon themselves. And demoralize their support system.

While its true presidents and candidates won’t touch the flow of money, Trump has said if Israel rejects his diplomacy he’ll cut off their money, “all of it”. Instead of deriding the term “deal of the century”, it should be appreciated as a reflection on the depth of his ego involvement. Netanyahu will be so pleased to have Abbas spare him Trump’s wrath, the debts at bay and keep the gifts coming.

Thoughtful and robust debate is in order on diplomacy and building a stronger bridge to American public opinion, therefore progressive Jews.

Steve Grover
Steve Grover on May 22, 2019, 3:12 pm

“It is less good to know that those otherwise known as progressives were responsible for so much of Israel’s support.”
Those who label themselves progressives and spew hatred directed against Israel are the idiots of today.

Elizabeth Block
Elizabeth Block on May 22, 2019, 2:25 pm

I was talking with a friend who is from Egypt, speaks Arabic, and follows news from the Middle East in a way that I cannot. He says the Americans are pressuring the various Arab states to take Palestinians, and they are giving into pressure, except for Jordan.
I said they may be willing to take them, but will the Palestinians be willing to leave? And will they take all of them? There are millions!
And what would the Israelis do without the Palestinians? They’ll turn on each other. They are accustomed to having an enemy, preferably a weak one, to hate. (Whom does that remind you of?)

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 2:06 pm

@just , It’s bribery/blackmail

Well, which is it bribery or blackmail? That’s actually a trick question because it is neither. It is quite a stretch to find evil in an attempt to assist the Palestinian economy but as we are witnessing the Palestinians and their supporters are up to the challenge.

And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.

eljay on May 22, 2019, 1:58 pm

|| mon donut: … As you are studiously avoiding the actual subject (UNRWA), I will just a wild guess from your comment and assume you agree the UNRWA has no need to tend to the one million+ fake Palestinian refugees in Jordan ||

No wild guess is required, donut, because I didn’t avoid the subject – I addressed it clearly:
– citizens of Jordan are not refugees from Palestine;
– UNRWA has no business providing services to Jordanian citizens of Jordan; and
– Jordan should be responsible for all of its Jordanian citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

You, on the other hand, are getting dizzy from dancing around the fact that:
– citizens of homelands all over the world are not Israelis, “exiles” or “ancient Israelites”;
– Israel has no business providing services to non-Israelis living in homelands all over the world; and
– Israel should Israel be responsible for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

Keep dancing, donut. Keep dancing.

Jackdaw on May 22, 2019, 1:50 pm


Don’t you aspire to being more than a ‘fluffer’ for anti-Zionism?

Citizen on May 22, 2019, 1:24 pm

What is the percentage of non-Jewish citizens of the USA, 2% or 98%? Where is Alice in this Tea Party? Who is the Queen? I don’t know about you, but I feel like I am Alice–for sure, I am not the Queen and her card forces.

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 1:13 pm

@Misterioso, A reminder.

And what does this reminder have to do with the UNRWA support of non-refugee Jordanian citizens?

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 1:11 pm

@eljay I believe that just as Jordan should be responsible for all of its Jordanian citizens

As you are studiously avoiding the actual subject (UNRWA), I will just a wild guess from your comment and assume you agree the UNRWA has no need to tend to the one million+ fake Palestinian refugees in Jordan

echinococcus on May 22, 2019, 12:59 pm

Both the Nut and the Zionist leadership of the Zionist entity + UZ states are showing that they only have one value: valuta, money, Geld. Watch for MW excising that for “antisemitic stereotype”ness again…

Citizen on May 22, 2019, 12:53 pm

Ditto here, although I was a childhood altar boy.

just on May 22, 2019, 12:48 pm

Read Beinart’s piece last evening and sort of , kind of thought that perhaps it was an important moment. Germany’s Bundestag has gone off the deep end and too many in Congress and state legislatures are still stuck on the wrong side of the fence. The Republicans under and with Trump are totally lost along with their zio- evangelical base.

wrt Germany:

“Palestinians: Germany’s anti-BDS Motion ‘Punishes Non-violent Resistance’

‘Anti-Semitism represents one of the biggest evils of our era. But to fight it, you should not become part of another injustice,’ chief negotiator Saeb Erekat writes to German lawmakers

Senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat urged German lawmakers to reverse a motion adopted on Friday defining the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement as anti-Semitic, marking the first time a major European parliament recognizes the movement as such.

In a letter to Bundestag members sent on Monday, the Palestinian Authority’s chief negotiator Saeb Erekat called it “a clear move towards criminalizing boycott, a peaceful and legal tool in the struggle against the Israeli occupation,” adding “We find this resolution to be utterly biased, void of any context and an affront to the right to freedom of expression.”

Erekat compared apartheid South Africa to the current situation in the Palestinian territories, arguing similarities between the two “are quite evident.”

As Israel lacks accountability and doesn’t comply with international law, according to Erekat, Palestinians had to “resort to non-violent resistance in the form of BDS to lobby for their rights.”

“Instead of punishing such efforts, the German Bundestag should uphold the right to boycott and defend against illegitimate attacks against members of this movement,” Erekat added, urging lawmakers not to turn the non-binding resolution into law.

He contested the motion’s definition of the BDS movement as anti-Semitic, saying the “Palestinian struggle for freedom, equality and return” is supported by people of all religions.

“The Israeli government has a ministry mandated to fight civil society organizations, including BDS,” Erekat added, referring to the relatively recently established Strategic Affairs Ministry, currently headed by Gilad Erdan. “They have even gone to the extreme of attacking Israeli human rights organizations, such as B’Tselem and Breaking the Silence. By advancing this bill, the German Bundestag will be supporting the work of this fascist ministry.”

The motion on “resisting the BDS movement” urges the German government not to support projects calling for a boycott of Israel or that actively support the BDS movement, and was backed by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s CDU party, as well as the social-democrat SPD and the FDP. Some members of the Green Party supported the motion, while others abstained at the last minute. …

Friday’s vote has stirred public discourse in Germany, with some critics claiming the proposed motion is draconian, suppressing pro-Palestinian groups’ freedom of expression. A group of about 50 Jewish academics from Germany and Israel published a petition opposing it.

Knesset member Michal Rozin, of left-wing Meretz party, told SPD lawmakers in a letter send last week that the proposed pieces of legislation are “disturbing and destructive for the possibility of peace here on the ground,” arguing they lack a distinction between criticism of Israel and criticism of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

“We need the international community to intervene in order to stop this trend of legitimizing a right-wing and problematic conflation,” Rozin added. “How can it be that a German group or NGO, which merely calls for a campaign against settlement products, could be labelled as anti-Semitic?”

Former Israeli Ambassador to South Africa Ilan Baruch, who currently heads the Policy Working Group, a left-wing think tank, has written to Germany’s former Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel, arguing “In Germany, permeated with guilt toward the Jews and Israel, equating BDS – however much we oppose it – and anti-Semitism is … has no moral basis.”

“There are anti-Semites who are friends of the Netanyahu government,” Baruch wrote, citing Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Austrian Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache as examples, “and there are Jewish supporters of BDS. The fact that there are anti-Semites who are present in the BDS movement doesn’t make it anti-Semitic. It is anti-Israel.””


gamal on May 22, 2019, 12:44 pm

“The appeal is sectarian: to Jewish progressives, not Americans as such. Beinart doesn’t completely trust non-Jewish critics of Israel”

He might want to read an interview with William Nassar and others like him, “Je suis juive et mon fils est fidayi”…

” This movement of “traitorism,” has been followed by well-known individuals like Ilan Halevi, Uri Davis, and Tali Fahima, Jewish Israeli citizens who supported or joined Fatah. Little work, however, has been done to identify and analyze communities of Palestinians with recent Jewish ancestry, if not by faith, then by familial ties. These people belonged to one constantly interacting and dynamic community in the former Ottoman Empire stretching at least from Syria to Egypt and did not form a part of the Israeli identity, by choice or by chance. Instead, as Palestinians and refugees, they opted to struggle directly against Zionism in the period directly after the Nakba. These individuals pose a direct counterpoint to the mainstream narrative, even within anti-Zionist frameworks, which erases the full histories of Palestinian Jewry…..

Although not numerically large and very difficult to identify due to conversion and other factors, a surprisingly high proportion of Palestinian Jews actively joined and led the Palestinian national liberation struggle: Fatah members William Nassar, Nabil Nassar, and Samir Abu Ghazaleh, and PFLP leader Kamal Nammari among them. Odette Nassar, the mother of William and Nabil, identifies at least 550 families of Jewish women married to Palestinian refugees whose “sons are, or will be, fedayeen.”[2] The narratives and histories of these individuals contribute to a better understanding of the conception of identity in a pre-Zionist, multi-ethnic, and multireligious Ottoman Palestine, and help the anti-Zionist movement globally to reframe its struggle as one not between religious groups, but rather a direct confrontation between settler colonialism and an indigenous population of all religions.

William Najib Nassar, noms de guerre Louie al-Jabi, George Habayeb, Nidal Mansour, Abu Mohammed, was born in Jerusalem in 1946 to a Palestinian Christian father, Najib, and a Palestinian-Egyptian Jewish mother, Odette. Two years later, during the Nakba, Nassar and his family were in Alexandria, Egypt where his father was pursuing a Master’s in archeology. The family had to relocate to Ramallah where much of their extended family had fled from Jerusalem. Beginning as a student at St. George’s School in East Jerusalem and inspired by the achievements of Gamal Nasser and other Arab nationalists, Nassar was active in the Jordanian section of the Ba’ath Party from the age of fourteen. He rose to be the head of the party branch within his school. In 1965, Nassar joined al-Asifa, the military wing of the Palestinian National Liberation Movement (Fatah) in which he remains until today. As part of Fatah, and against the wishes of his parents, he travelled to Lebanon, Syria, Germany, China, Spain, Algeria, and other countries to train new fedayeen and receive military training himself. In 1968, during a commando operation near Jerusalem, Nassar was captured, imprisoned, and tortured. He remained in Israeli military prison for twelve years before being released in a prisoner exchange in 1980. After imprisonment, Nassar went to Tunisia to join the exiled leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organization where he remained, before he was able to return to the West Bank after the end of the First Intifada. He is the author of the autobiography, Taghribat Bani Fath: arba’un ‘am fi matahah Fathawiyah, available in Arabic.

Alexi Shalom (AS): I understand your mother was Jewish and she was from Lebanon. Can you tell me about her, how your parents met, and what she thought about your activity in the resistance movement?

William Nassar (WN): Let me begin by saying that I never felt Jewish. My mother rarely spoke about her Jewish past, but she had good contacts with her family, and she used to go visit them and they all spoke Arabic, and they never sympathized with Israel. My older aunt lived in Lebanon; she got married to a Jew from Lebanon, and had two sons. Both of them were very close to us, and I never felt that they saw anything different between us. Her daughter got married later on to a Muslim, and she had one son and three daughters, so they are all Muslims. Her son got married to a Lebanese Jew and they had one son and one daughter, but her son died young and his wife took the children and went to Israel, so I do not know anything about them. My only uncle from my mother’s side after 1956 went to Paris and lived there. He had two sons. They lived there. I visited them once. We were always on good relations with them; we never spoke politics. They were never sympathizers with Zionist ideas. They lived in Paris. They refused to go to Israel”


just on May 22, 2019, 12:30 pm

BS on your comment. It’s bribery/blackmail and the Palestinians aren’t going to stoop to Israeli/US/Gulf level of depravity. The US and Israel have taken too much from them; Trump most recently. You cannot buy them back.

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 12:15 pm

“I have rights that 25% of the population does not have because they aren’t jews. I never owned slaves but being a white american I benefitted only because of my white skin.”

Exactly. That’s why Zionists are so insistent that Jews are just another kind of white person.

And BTW, “Jon s”, you haven’t answered the question of how “Beersheba” got to be there.

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 12:05 pm

“You won’t hear from me again.”

Promises, promises.

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 12:02 pm

“Trump suddenly reverses course on Iran, says there is ‘no indication’ of threats” Truth Progress

The power of the porn-stache cows the Iranians.

just on May 22, 2019, 11:59 am

I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit, jon s. From the article: “And this spring Playgrounds for Palestine is launching a line of Palestinian olive oils for distribution in the United States …” Maybe you can use your US address and the link provided. Or, try ordering from here:


In the meantime, you must know that Aida is also a refugee camp for Palestinians. Right? I will share this with you from the Lajee Center in this camp:

“…In 2012,Lajee Center was finally able to purchase the only available land near Aida Refugee Camp to insure some of the rights of our children, including the right to a safe place to play.

“Since then we have worked collectively to turn the land into a beautiful playground and garden for the children and people of Aida Camp. The Garden of Lajee Center has eight olive trees, which since 2012, have been harvested by the children of Aida Camp. …

In Aida Camp the season of harvesting olives started around a month ago, however we could not harvest the few olive trees we have at the garden of Lajee Center because the camp itself has been invaded by the Israeli Occupation Army on a daily basis. Commenting on the “Daddy Read to Me” event, Kifah Ajarma, coordinator of the library activities, said, “The children seem very happy to be able to play at the garden again.

We had to organize all library activities in the center for about a month now as the Israeli Army invades the camp every day…” She added, “How I wish Abed Al-Rahman was with us today.

He used to attend library activities especially when we arranged them under the olive trees of Lajee’s garden.” 12-year-old Abed Al-Rahman, was killed in Aida Camp by the Israeli Army last month on his way back from school.

Kifah also commented, “Every year hundreds of children participate in the “Daddy Read to Me” workshops at Lajee Center. This year most of the children from the camp and neighboring areas could not come regularly to the center because the playground, the center, as well as the refugee camp, were targeted by the Israeli Occupation Army.”She added, “Small children with their school bags running through clouds of teargas come to Lajee Center to read and learn.

Although we insure that the kids are protected to the best extent we can, it is hard to control the traumatic effects and fear that our children have to live through every day…” Recently the Israeli Army has warned the residents of Aida Camp, “We will gas you until you die. The children, the youth, and the old people, all of you…” We, however, will continue to exist, and to resist the oppression of the colonizers and continue to raise our young generations to be educated, strong and able to overcome the difficulties of living under occupation until one day when they will be the leaders of a free Palestine.”


Oh and btw~ you are next door to all of the Occupied. Ask your fellow Occupiers these questions. Since the Occupation armies prevent movement of Palestinian people, goods, etc., I really doubt that they’ll allow glorious Palestinian olive oil into Israel to compete with the stolen ones marketed in Israel. Please do encourage your fellow settlers to cease destroying Palestinian olive trees, herds, crops, etc. That would be helpful.

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on May 22, 2019, 11:54 am

What I care about and worries me is israel’s despicable behaviour towards Palestinians. Jews didn’t suffer enough under Hitler?

Mooser on May 22, 2019, 11:49 am

Zionism does not have a special immunity to creating enemies and opponents for itself.

mondonut on May 22, 2019, 11:46 am

In response to the announced economic workshop, the Palestinians have determined that the “Bahrain conference was nothing more than an economic workshop” – and consequently refuse to help their own economy and people.

What was that about Palestinians and missed opportunities?

Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 11:42 am

It is so obvious, that Bin Salman is showing his unwavering support for crooked Kushner’s ME plan. After all Kushner was his top consultant and advisor, after Bin Salman got Khashoggi tortured and killed, and the entire world was outraged. As for the UAE shame on them too, for following the Saudis, and conspiring with Israel to attack Iran.
This is evil sticking together, plotting and planning.

As for the Palestinians, you can be sure they will turn down the crumbs Kushner will throw at them, after giving their occupier all it has already stolen. I never thought I’d see the day when these Arab nations will conspire with the Jewish state and work against another Islamic nation, and throw the Palestinians under the bus. It is utterly disgusting.

Maybe the BDS group should consider boycotting Saudi Arabia and the UAE too, apart from Israel.
They truly deserve it.

CigarGod on May 22, 2019, 11:36 am

Right on, eljay.