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hophmi
hophmi on July 18, 2019, 11:12 am

HRes 246 does nothing other than indicate opposition to the BDS movement. It’s not unconstitutional for Congress to give their opinion, Tlaib’s peculiar interpretation of the Constitution notwithstanding.

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on July 18, 2019, 11:05 am

Remembering that israel has voted in favour of maintaining the 50+ year Cuban embargo every time this vote has come up at the UN.

Vera Gottlieb
Vera Gottlieb on July 18, 2019, 11:02 am

Frankly, I would not care to be loyal to any government in whichever country that treats me as Palestinians are being treated by israel.

hophmi
hophmi on July 18, 2019, 10:58 am

I don’t see the word Israel in there. I also haven’t seen anyone propose that Americans do not have a right to boycott. I’ve seen legislation that would restrict states from contracting with entities that boycott Israel, but no, not a single piece of legislation restricting Americans from boycotting whatever they want to boycott.

Sibiriak
Sibiriak on July 18, 2019, 10:37 am

@Keith: An excerpt from another reaction to Linfield’s book:

The French Orientalist Maxime Rodinson was by far one of the greatest scholars on Islam and the Arab world in the 20thcentury (if not ever).

* * *

[…]Attention to Rodinson is prompted by the publication of Susie Linfield’s “The Lions’ Den: Zionism and the Left from Hannah Arendt to Noam Chomsky.” The author is a professor of journalism at NYU and has no background in Middle East studies. Yet, she uses her platform to launch an attack on critics of Israel and Zionism and situate them in the category of self-hating Jews. But her method of handling Rodinson is not even honest : she accuses the author (who lost his parents in Auschwitz) of not talking about his Jewish background or even about Nazi atrocities when, in fact, he spoke at length about such matters. She even accuses Rodinson of being silent about the crimes of Arab governments and misdeeds of the PLO when he was a harsh critic of them both. And she makes up a story that Rodinson was accused by Arabs of “lacking respect for Islam (and worse)” without providing any evidence. Rodinson remains highly respected in the Arab world. […] “

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/18/the-angry-arab-maxime-rodinson-the-palestinian-question/

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 18, 2019, 10:36 am

Even if it were true that the Jews needed a homeland (whatever that might mean), the question would arise of where to put it. All land is already claimed, and noöne is proposing to give up significant amounts. Even if a large contiguous tract of land could be bought, the state that controls it would not waive its sovereignty over the land.

So, yes, the «homeland for the Jews» necessarily entails some sort of crime, as we have seen.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 10:28 am

@eljay, et al

To state the screaming hideous truth, it is long since time that we have no hesitation whatsoever in equating Zionism with Nazi fascism.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 10:23 am

@echinococcus

Ilhan Omar, et al, are planting the seeds of the tree of truth within the minds of Americans, especially youth. It will take time, but as the Zionists are now realizing, the tree will grow, and grow and grow.

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 18, 2019, 10:12 am

→ doing their own “alternative” tour this year visiting the Occupied Territories

It’s dollars to doughnuts that the Zionist entity will refuse them entry to occupied Palestine (all of which, along with most of al-Jawlān [colonially «the Golan»], is occupied territory).

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 10:09 am

@Jasonius Maximus

Well and truly stated!!

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 10:07 am

@wondering Jew

“there is not an honest discussion of israeli policy and american support for the status quo and that is a truly valid point in my opinion. But regarding those Jews who feel agita at Ilhan Omar and her debut on the scene, I know where they’re coming from and it is by no means outlandish.”

Give it up. You’re only digging your hole deeper. Face it. You try to portray yourself as well meaning and fair minded, but you spew forth venom and make it clear you don’t give a damn about the horrors Zionism has brought to historic Palestine. You support its blatant racism, fascism, expansionism and well documented brutal oppression, dispossession and expulsion of the indigenous Muslim and Christian Palestinian Arabs.

Well, as is amply evident, ever increasing numbers of people around the world, including righteous Jews, disagree with you and have the guts and integrity to say so. Zionism is the essence of evil for the Palestinians, a betrayal of the six million Jews who perished at the hands of the Nazis and is rapidly proving to be a curse for Judaism.

A key question is how much longer will you and your ilk delude yourselves? Then again, it seems you don’t care.

Ossinev
Ossinev on July 18, 2019, 10:00 am

2019 views of Jason Greenblatt D**khead Donald`s choice as “Piss” envoy on the I/P conflict:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-the-victim-in-conflict-with-palestinians-says-us-peace-envoy/
“Greenblatt said he “can’t think of single instances” where Israel may have made mistakes or gone beyond its authority.

“But I think even our great country has made mistakes over the years. And, over time, you try to correct those mistakes. But I think Israel is doing the best that it possibly can under very challenging circumstances.”

NB By “our great country” he no doubt means his country of first loyalty = Israel.

Shouldn`t DD be urging him to leave the United Sshastes and go back to his shithole country of “orange” ? In Greenbloat`s case let`s think that would be Hungary. I am sure that DD would have a quiet word with his openly Anti – Semitic buddy Orban to facilitate his re- entry.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 9:43 am

@amigo, et al

To quote Trump from the above article: “Those Tweets were NOT Racist. I don’t have a Racist bone in my body!”

Reality:

David Leonhardt, Op Ed columnist, New York Times, July 16/19

“His real estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-American tenants. He described ‘laziness’ as ‘a trait in blacks.’ He called for five black and Latino teenagers to be executed — and then insisted on their guilt even after DNA evidence proved their innocence.

“He rose to prominence in the Republican Party by questioning the citizenship of the first black president. He launched his presidential campaign by saying Mexican immigrants were ‘rapists.’ His political organization created a television advertisement that Fox News pulled for being too racist.

“He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful, disrespectful or unintelligent. He mocks Native Americans and uses anti-Semitic stereotypes. He retweets white nationalists. He said that a violent white supremacist march included some ‘very fine people.’ He regularly appoints people with a history of racist comments.

“And over the weekend, he told four non white members of Congress — all citizens, of course, and three of them born in the United States — to ‘go back’ to where they came from.
President Trump doesn’t just make racist comments. He is a racist. He’s proven it again and again, over virtually his entire time as a public figure. His bigotry is a core part of his worldview, and it’s been central to his political rise.

“Anyone who claims otherwise — like Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin; Senator Steve Daines of Montana; Marc Short, the vice president’s chief of staff — is simply enabling his hate. (Mnuchin now has a pattern of defending racism, as a way of pleasing his boss.)

“For a list of Trump’s racist statements — first compiled in 2018 and updated this week — go here. If you think we missed any, email me at [email protected].”

Talkback
Talkback on July 18, 2019, 9:38 am

Jon s: “First of all, I may have been unclear or misunderstood in my reference to “significant contributions to Jewish culture and religious life.”

Still highly irrelevant. It leads to no entitlement whatsoever. Neither morally nor legally.

jon s: “The horrible attempts to invent absurd distinctions between those Jews who came before the British Mandate or after the Mandate, before modern Zionism or after -and their descendants – are simply obscene, and also out of touch with reality.”

There’s not a single argument in your claim. The Jews who entered this territory before the mandate came with the consent of the Ottoman Empire (Except Israel’s state founder Gruen who illegaly overstayed after his visa ran out. That tells you everything you need to know about the legitimacy of Israel’s declaration. LOL) The Jews who entered Palestine during mandate times came without the consent of people of Palestine. That makes them illegal infiltrators. They were imposed unto the people of Palestine under a British de facto occupation who endorsed the colonialization of Palestine while knowing very well, that Zionism was all about to take over Palestine and turn it into a Jewish commonwealth.

jon s: “Would she pass your “selection”?”

Oooh, jon s is using a Nazi term …

Only if her father was a former citizen of the Ottoman empire and became ipso facto a citizen of Palestine in 1925. In that case even the PLO considers her to be Palestinian.

jon s: “This is the Jewish homeland …”

Rofl. What makes this “the Jewish homeland”? Most of the Jews don’t even live there.

jon s: “… and no Jew is an invader here,”

What else would you call an infiltration by Jewish foreigners to take over the land and turn it into a “Jewish state” under British de facto occupation? They are definitely not natives.

jon s: “Our focus should be on finding a way to live together in peace and not creating absurd categories of those who are “invaders” and those who are not.”

Let’s first focus on the fact that you won’t answer the question how many Palestinians you support to return to what place exactly.

And then we could focus on the question why Israel won’t stop its illegal colonization of Palestine and expelling its natives by various means.

lonely rico
lonely rico on July 18, 2019, 9:12 am

2020 presidential candidates’ views on Israel

The New York Times videotaped 21 presidential candidates’ responses to the question:

“Do you think Israel meets international standards of human rights?”

Here is a short montage of the candidates’ statements.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/watch-2020-presidential-candidates-views-on-israel/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily+Updates

Talkback
Talkback on July 18, 2019, 9:09 am

“Pro-terrorist”, not “terrorist”. Please maintain your high standards, Jonathan.

‘Pro-terrorist’: Trump Ups Racist Attack on Democratic Congresswomen
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/pro-terrorist-trump-ups-attack-on-democratic-congresswomen-1.7530755

Talkback
Talkback on July 18, 2019, 9:01 am

Must read:

The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective
https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palestinian-people-international-law-and-human-rights-perspective

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 18, 2019, 8:58 am

@oldgeezer

BINGO!!

Obviously, wondering Jew views himself as one of the “Chosen.” His travelogue brings to mind the “Aryan Myth” and we all know what happened to it.

CigarGod
CigarGod on July 18, 2019, 8:58 am

Do you think she’d have the same impact as a Green?

RobertHenryEller
RobertHenryEller on July 18, 2019, 8:54 am

AIPAC proves it IS all about the Benjamins, and nothing but the Benjamins. And most Democrats prove it doesn’t take much for them to violate their oaths of office.

eljay
eljay on July 18, 2019, 8:27 am

|| wondering jew: … there is not an honest discussion of israeli policy and american support for the status quo and that is a truly valid point in my opinion. … ||

There will never be an honest discussion until Zionists come to terms with the fact that their ideology and their deliberately and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” construct are unjust and immoral.

There will never be an honest discussion until Zionists understand and accept the truth that the religion-based identity of Jewish does not grant to those who choose to embrace it the “right”:
– to be supremacists;
– to have a supremacist state; and
– to do evil unto others.

There will never be an honest discussion until Zionists choose justice, accountability and equality over hypocrisy and their preferred brand of evil.

Lead the way, y.f. Get that honest discussion rolling.

Peter in SF
Peter in SF on July 18, 2019, 8:20 am

When journalists write “X called Y a ‘Z'”, they should expect their readers to understand that they’re saying that X used the word ‘Z’ to describe Y.

Stephen Shenfield
Stephen Shenfield on July 18, 2019, 7:42 am

In the 1920s there was an attempt to form an area of compact Jewish settlement in northern Crimea and the adjacent region of southern Ukraine (Kherson). Jewish villages and collective farms were established and Yiddish became a language of state administration in the counties with substantial Jewish settlement. However, further settlement in Crimea was opposed by the leaders of the Crimean Tatar autonomy. When Stalin came to power at the end of the 1920s he broke up the embryonic Jewish autonomy in southern Ukraine and northern Crimea and created Birobidzhan as an alternative. The Crimean Tatars were deported in 1944 for alleged collaboration during the German occupation of Crimea. That made a Jewish autonomy in Crimea more feasible and after the war the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee lobbied the Soviet government for the creation of such an autonomy to settle Jewish war refugees. Stalin did not like the idea and this was one of the main reasons why Stalin suppressed the JAFC.

eljay
eljay on July 18, 2019, 7:37 am

Subjugate, cleanse, kill: Zionism’s three-step plan to steal all of geographic Palestine from its indigenous population.

eljay
eljay on July 18, 2019, 7:30 am

|| jon s: … First of all, I may have been unclear … This is the Jewish homeland … ||

You were clear but, as usual, wrong.

Geographic Palestine was not and still is not the “ancient”, “historic”, “eternal”, “one true” and/or “lost” homeland of people all over the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

Geographic Palestine was and still is the actual homeland of people living in and up to n-generations removed from the region.

jon s
jon s on July 18, 2019, 7:00 am

Nathan,
You’re confusing Marwan Barghouti with Omar Barghouti.

jon s
jon s on July 18, 2019, 6:40 am

Talkback, eljay, RoHa, , oldgeezer, LP,
First of all, I may have been unclear or misunderstood in my reference to “significant contributions to Jewish culture and religious life”. I was referring to those contributions which were produced by the Jews present in the country between, say, the destruction of the 2nd Temple and the rise of modern Zionism. A few examples:

• The Mishna , redacted by R. Judah Hannassi around 200 CE.
• The Jerusalem Talmud, redacted around 400 CE.
• Development of Hebrew grammar (the vowel system still used today) by R. Aaron ben Moses ben Asher, Tiberias, 10th Century.
• Codification of Jewish law in the Shulhan Arukh, by R.Joseph Karo, Safed, 16th Century
• Foundations of Jewish mysticism – R.Isaac Lurie (the “ARI”), Jerusalem and Safed, 16th Century

And what would Sabbath evening services be like without “Lekha Dodi”, composed by R. Shlomo Elkabetz (also in 16th Century Safed!)

The horrible attempts to invent absurd distinctions between those Jews who came before the British Mandate or after the Mandate, before modern Zionism or after -and their descendants – are simply obscene, and also out of touch with reality. There are 9 million people in Israel, some born here, some not, with an infinite number of variations. My wife, for example is 4th generation native-born from her father’s side, her mother is a Holocaust survivor. Would she pass your “selection”?
My grandson’s grandparents are: 1.4th generation native born, 2.born in the USA, 3.born in Tunisia, 4.born here, Tripolitanian origin.

This is the Jewish homeland and no Jew is an invader here, whether descended from Jews who came in the 16th Century (like the aforementioned Karo and Elkabetz),or in the 19th Century,or in the 20th Century or last Tuesday.

The Jews are here to stay, the Palestinians are here to stay, and it’s their homeland, too. Our focus should be on finding a way to live together in peace and not creating absurd categories of those who are “invaders” and those who are not.

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 18, 2019, 6:01 am

Note the propagandistic reference to «defence» (or «defense», as the Yankee-friendly Zionist entity spells it). The Zionist entity calls its offensive army «Defense Forces». Likewise, the US speaks of its budget for «defense» even though practically all of the money put towards that purpose goes to offence, and indeed brazen aggression in violation of international law.

wdr
wdr on July 18, 2019, 5:04 am

Wishful thinking on a grand scale, Jeff. You should have expended your energy on something more fruitful, like solving Fermat’s Last Problem.

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on July 18, 2019, 4:53 am

There’s nothing random about it.

Random about what? The attitude is predictable, but to what extent there is organized effort to nudge a group in some direction is often hard to determine because the nudging happens from inside the group.

Jonathan Ofir
Jonathan Ofir on July 18, 2019, 3:12 am

Peter in SF, as to the single quotes title, that’s an editor prerogative. But I don’t have an issue with it – I’ve applied the term interchangeably in the piece, with double quotes and without. That might sound sloppy, but in the context of Trump’s words, their intended meaning and the points that are being made about them, I think it’s just fine.

Your comment seems to suggest that this is mistepresentative – as in ‘he didn’t really say that’ (see the quotes there? – they could be double too) – but I’m saying that this is what he was saying, really.

This is about translation of ideas. You could argue that calling someone an al-Qaeda supporter is not calling them a terrorist. I’m pushing that point through, yes. It’s our job as journalists to also point out what is inevitably hidden in a person’s words.

Jasonius Maximus
Jasonius Maximus on July 18, 2019, 2:49 am

Trump and Co.’s recent smearing of “The Squad” is no accident at all, nor is it just run of the mill Israeli/AIPAC/Adelson “all about the Benjamins” influence.

It struck me as extremely odd that Trump and Graham and half a dozen Republicans suddenly (and all within hours of each other) seemed to inject Israel into this recent and unhinged attack on these freshman Congresswomen from all sides and across social media and the entire news media.

Calling them ”terrorists”, calling them “Israel haters”, calling them “anti-Semitic” out of the blue and for no apparent reason, especially when the water is under the bridge on the matter and when Omar herself had already been through the wringer, tarred and feathered, chastised, apologized, and suffered the humiliation of Nancy Pelosi herself drafting a bloody Congressional resolution denouncing anti-semitism et al.

Then the penny dropped. The timing and sudden flair up out of nowhere and the highly coordinated accusations targeting “The Squad” as BDS loving, anti-Israel, Jew hating, terrorists by all these Republicans at once is no accident at all!

Why? August is only two weeks away!

That means that the annual AIPAC sponsored propaganda tour of Israel for freshman Congress members is only a few weeks away!

Tlaib and Omar (possibly AOC herself) have been VERY vocal about doing their own “alternative” tour this year visiting the Occupied Territories and shining a stupendously bright social media spotlight on the naked disgusting truth for the American people and media to see.

This would be terrible for Netanyahu and his bought and paid for Congress men and women in DC. The first two Muslim Congresswoman in American history, one a friggin’ Palestinian of all things, visiting Israel and the Palestine, possibly even Gaza or the shiny new US Embassy in Jerusalem. It would be a media circus and nothing short of an utter PR nightmare for Israel and especially Netanyahu barely one month before the next untimely and high stakes elections in September. Let alone ahead of the joke of a “peace deal” (I mean unconditional surrender) Prince Jared has been cooking up with Israel.

Just imagine the global media coverage, photos and tweet storm of Rep. Tlaib visiting the US Embassy in Jerusalem and squaring off with Friedman and Greenblatt. Or the awkward photos of them meeting (or being snubbed by) Israeli leaders. Or the pictures of the first two Muslim American Congresswomen in history visiting Haram esh-Sharif or (heaven fucking forbid) the Western Wall!

Not to mention the potential chaos of them face to face with IDF border soldiers trying to deny them entry to Gaza or being stopped, harassed, and searched by soldiers at a road block or border post? Or spit upon by some unwitting Haredi guy in East Jerusalem, who has no idea who they are. These are NOT the images or media coverage Israel, AIPAC nor Adelson want the world to see! Under absolutely no circumstances!

So what is to be done? Nothing short of an outright political hitjob, media blitz and preemptive strike ahead of their departure in a shameless attempt to delegitimize their entire trip, anything they say or post on social media, and if possible maybe even supply Netanyahu with all the tacit support and cover both Trump and the entire Republican party can give for him to possibly even completely deny them entry under the shiny new “Anti-BDS” laws.

There you have it folks! Trump’s tirade and shameless “out of the blue” smearing of these women in a nutshell. Mark my words, there is more to come in the coming days/weeks, because there is sooooo much more than those Benjamins in play right now!

echinococcus
echinococcus on July 18, 2019, 12:45 am

When were you born? Until well into the 1980s, as you well know, the invasion, occupation and theft of Palestine and the genocide of Palestinians was performed under the leadership of the Sanders-type Zionistas, the so-called Labor (today’s pitiful “Zionist bloc”, Merets, what will you…)

Now my point, again: what Saban or any of these shits say is of no relevance whatsoever. That is just a trick to make Sanders, the rabid warmonger and lifelong Zionist mountebank, palatable to the boobies even though he is way past his use-by date.

echinococcus
echinococcus on July 18, 2019, 12:31 am

Brilliant and heroic lady.
Wrong party affiliation, though. When push comes to shove, she’ll be under the steamroller. Let’s hope the Democrat beasts who own the Single Party need her a bit longer as a “left” window dressing.

echinococcus
echinococcus on July 18, 2019, 12:23 am

“Why are progressive Democrats backing an anti-BDS bill… ?”

Because “progressive” my @$$. As you so well say, they are Democrats.

They are supporting an anti-BDS measure, and you still call them “progressive”? Have you no sense of proportion left at all?

How can “progressive” (meaning at the very least anti-imperialist) coexist with Democrat (meaning member of the main administrative machine of US Imperialism, totally owned and always directed by the imperialist monopoly) ? Answer that just once.

“Progressive Democrat” makes as little sense as “progressive Zionist”.

brent
brent on July 18, 2019, 12:20 am

It has become apparent the BDS campaign, standing alone, will bring as many negatives as positives. Coupled with a campaign for equal rights for citizens of Israel would render it far more effective. Equality is ingrained in Western thinking and it negates the floating about notion the motive is destroying the State of Israel. A campaign for equality implies peaceful co-existence and would empower political activists seeking justice in Jerusalem. Religion dominated states, especially ones that practice inequality need to mature and evolve.

CigarGod
CigarGod on July 17, 2019, 11:25 pm

How many standing ovations did our entire congress of 535 members give bibi when he came to town?
They jumped to their feet like trained circus animals at least 25 times.

RoHa
RoHa on July 17, 2019, 11:10 pm

I use the term “invaders” to refer to
(a) the Zionists who were born outside Palestine, and entered the country as adults, with the intention of taking over the country and setting up a Jewish state,

and

(b) for those who were born outside Palestine, entered the country as adults, and then aligned themselves with the Zionists.

wondering jew
wondering jew on July 17, 2019, 10:51 pm

Plenty of level headed Jews found offense in Ilhan Omar’s words which were designed to provoke, they were designed to get amen’s from phil weiss and pushback from jake tapper, that’s how they were designed.

there is not an honest discussion of israeli policy and american support for the status quo and that is a truly valid point in my opinion. But regarding those Jews who feel agita at Ilhan Omar and her debut on the scene, I know where they’re coming from and it is by no means outlandish. Because of the lack of a real conversation, this focus on Omar rather than the lack of a real conversation highlights the unenlightened state of affairs.

edthespark
edthespark on July 17, 2019, 10:37 pm

Agree its all really a state of mind.

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 17, 2019, 9:52 pm

→ On a personal note: my father and grandfather, of blessed memory, were born here , died here and are buried here. My cute little grandson is 6th generation born-in -Israel . Is he an invader?

I’ll answer the question.

First, it is wrong to frame the settler-colonial garrison population as «invaders». As Jon knows, few people would be prepared to call a small child an «invader», as the word imputes more agency than a small child could have. (I’m assuming that the «cute little grandson» is a small child.) But that doesn’t mean that the child isn’t a member of a settler-colonial occupying population, or that the child necessarily has any right to remain in Palestine.

Second, it is also wrong to individualise the question. A settler-colonial population objectively occupies Palestine and maintains apartheid there even if we cannot always decide in a principled way whether a given individual belongs to that population. Thus it could turn out that Jon’s grandfather’s particular situation is too complicated for us to say definitively that the grandfather is or is not a settler (or an invader, which, in light of the probable age of the grandfather, most likely amounts to the same thing), but it would remain true that Palestine is under settler-colonial occupation established by invaders under British auspices.

My answer, then, to Jon’s questions? I don’t know enough about Jon’s family’s circumstances to offer a clear answer. If the grandfather comes from a long line of people (Jewish or otherwise) established in Palestine as of the eve of the Zionist project, he is a Palestinian as much as any of those oppressed by the Zionist entity, and his descendants too may be Palestinians (presumably Jewish, but that’s irrelevant to their nationality). But if, as seems likely from a quick glance at a calendar, Jon’s grandfather arrived in Palestine from some other part of the world under the Zionist programme, he is a member of the settler-colonial population (and also, incidentally, an invader). So may be his descendants.

Now, having answered that, I’ll point out that it doesn’t make much difference. The great majority of the racially privileged «Jewish» population in occupied Palestine is settler-colonial, but even the small non-settler-colonial part bears responsibility for the occupation, simply because it too benefits therefrom. Suppose that someone from England immigrated to Germany in the early 1940s and, when challenged about the crimes of the Nazi-run country, shrugged her shoulders and said «Don’t blame me: I wasn’t in Germany when the Nazis came to power». That’s off the point. Benefiting as she did from the crimes of Nazism, she bore responsibility for them. Likewise, even Jewish Palestinians whose ancestry in Paletine goes back three hundred years cannot rightly disclaim responsibility for Zionist settler-colonialism and apartheid just because their ancestors were not invaders.

oldgeezer
oldgeezer on July 17, 2019, 9:39 pm

@wj

“the usual thirst to see Jerusalem was not up to par. But still Jerusalem is my second home and hanging out in Zion square was reassuring. ”

How sweet.

Yet the millions under the boot heels of the fascist goons of Israel will never have such a privilege.

Great to be one of the approved group isn’t it? I won’t break a sweat if you ever become the target of a group that feels they’re dominant and superior. Others yes, you no.

JWalters
JWalters on July 17, 2019, 9:32 pm

Completely agree! That 70% support from Democratic House members shows the breadth of Israel’s financial stranglehold on them.
“Israel’s Stranglehold on American Politics”
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/israels-stranglehold-on-american-politics/

wondering jew
wondering jew on July 17, 2019, 9:03 pm

Mooser- If you read the comments policy page, you’ll notice that it does not include your attitude.

wondering jew
wondering jew on July 17, 2019, 9:00 pm

Thank you, Jon. Do you ever use the phrase “ahalan”? I left my Arabic Hebrew dictionary back in Brooklyn.

aloeste
aloeste on July 17, 2019, 8:48 pm

Fascinating fantasies. Halper’s gentile great grandchildren will doubtless laugh at his folly. Jews aren’t giving anything away.
This is like the kishon story of Israel becoming the 51st state. With the punchline now if we can just get the US To agree. If you want Jews willing to give hegemony to the goyim , try Williamsburg or kiryas Joel…

Nathan
Nathan on July 17, 2019, 8:40 pm

I had to read it a second time (and then a third time) to be sure that indeed there is a quote from Marwan Barghouti in this article in which he claims that he would oppose a Moslem state. As always, Mondoweiss does not criticize any anti-Israel activism, so such a ridiculous quote can be published here without any indication that something is really “fishy”. The Palestine Authority on the West Bank (now the State of Palestine) has a constitution which states in very clear terms that “Islam is the official religion in Palestine…. The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation”. In Gaza, an Islamic state exists. Is it credible that Mr Barghouti rejects the policy of both the PLO in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza? No, it’s not credible. The entire Arab world is made up of states that have established Islam as the official religion, and the Palestinian state/s won’t be any different.

It should be noted that this supposed opposition to a Moslem state (in addition to the opposition to a Jewish state) is even more misleading. The UN Partition Plan of 1947 called for the founding of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine. Notice the parallel terminology: Jewish / Arab. In other words, it was self-evident that the two groups are ethnicities or national communities. Indeed, such communities found independent states; hence, just as there is a state for the Poles and for the Swedes, so too was it proposed to found a state for the Jews and a state for the Arabs. Mr Barghouti pretends that the parallel terms are Jewish / Moslem, because he feels that he has a more credible case with a western audience if he opposes the existence of a Jewish state because “Jewishness” is about religion. However, he doesn’t have any problem with a Moslem state (that was a little lie / propaganda).

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 17, 2019, 8:36 pm

It’s interesting that the Zionists, some of whom recently celebrated tRump by naming a settlement in Zionist-occupied al-Jawlān (colonially «the Golan») for him, now find him to so grievous an embarrassment that they have to distance themselves from him lest his unabashed racism taint the Zionist cause.

Sulphurdunn
Sulphurdunn on July 17, 2019, 8:01 pm

What legitimate business is it of Congress to concern itself with the legal activities of private individuals in opposition to the policies of a foreign government?

RoHa
RoHa on July 17, 2019, 8:00 pm

” It makes me wonder what sort of leash Israel may have on them.”

Perhaps Mr Epstein can help you.

Peter in SF
Peter in SF on July 17, 2019, 7:34 pm

I clicked on this story because of the headline: I wanted to read about how and when exactly Trump called Omar a ‘terrorist.’ Having read the article and its links, I still haven’t seen a quote by Teump in which he did that. If this were a case of “that’s what he meant”, you wouldn’t have put the word “terrorist” in quotes.

JWalters
JWalters on July 17, 2019, 7:28 pm

I hope Axelrod and Tapper realize how depraved is their defense of Israel’s ethnic cleansing, terrorism, mass murder, and mass land theft. I hope they realize how depraved is their covering up Israel’s crimes against America, trashing the US Constitution, stealing nuclear secrets and materials, ruthlessly attacking the USS Liberty, corrupting America’s major media and politic figures. Like Axelrod and Tapper. It makes me wonder what sort of leash Israel may have on them.

Brewer
Brewer on July 17, 2019, 7:26 pm

“In the months prior to May 15, Haganah militiamen in the bloc’s kibbutzim repeatedly fired on Arab civilians, and British traffic, including convoys, moving between Jerusalem and Hebron, under instruction to do so in order to draw and drain Arab forces from the fight for Jerusalem.[13][14] ”
– Wikipedia

RoHa
RoHa on July 17, 2019, 7:24 pm

“and bear as many children as possible.”

Isn’t that why they want to straighten out the homosexuals?

JWalters
JWalters on July 17, 2019, 7:11 pm

“They are told they have to support a warmonger like Hillary Clinton”

This is the problem in a nutshell. The financial cabal controlling the Democratic party is an arm of the war profiteers. And their colluding spokespeople insist that this criminal control of the party should not be discussed! This is deadly rot at the very root of the Democratic party’s advertised principles. The financial collar on Nancy Pelosi’s neck was shown vividly when she declared that even if Washington DC crumbled to the ground, Israel would get their fat payment on time. That’s a payment the U.S. must borrow to make, and which Israel immediately deposits in a bank and collects interest on. A great explanation of Israel’s financial relationship with the U.S. is given by a former investigator for the financial industry Jake Morphonios. Spoiler alert – it’s a scam.
“This is the Perfect Explanation of How the War Industry Works!”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tYJpzNrSsQY/

JWalters
JWalters on July 17, 2019, 7:04 pm

“The big surprise of the IfNotNow campaign is how much rage it is provoking from the Israel lobby”

This is not surprising when one considers that this is a gang of war profiteers, among the most dangerous and vicious criminals on the planet, terrified the law is closing in on them. They will do anything. Smearing a few people is nothing compared to slaughtering millions in a needless war for profit.

JWalters
JWalters on July 17, 2019, 6:36 pm

I second that! Thank you Representative Omar. The sneaky Zionist attack on the US Constitution and Americans’ freedom of speech, by trying to outlaw Americans’ criticism of Israel, needs just this sort of direct defense. This bill will also show starkly which members of Congress are willing to sell out their constituents’ freedom of speech for Israeli money. The names of those Vichy members will live in infamy.

LiberatePalestine
LiberatePalestine on July 17, 2019, 6:31 pm

Well put. Also, the claims of the Palestinians are not based on «religious reasons». Religion cannot give any population a claim to any land anywhere. The Palestinians’ claim to Palestine is based on the fact that they and their ancestors constituted the established population for centuries before the Zionist invasion. It is the Zionist claim that is essentially religious.

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 6:07 pm

Re: Hadassah medical convoy massacre

“The Arabs claimed they had attacked a military formation, that all members of the convoy had engaged in combat, and that it had been impossible to distinguish combatants from civilians. An enquiry was conducted. Eventually an agreement was reached to separate military from humanitarian convoys.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadassah_medical_convoy_massacre

Wait. Does that mean that Jewish combatants placed themselves within civilians?

Keith
Keith on July 17, 2019, 5:55 pm

PHIL- “Liberal Zionists have set the limits on this discussion, and set the table for Donald Trump’s racism. It’s time for progressives to take their power, and speak about Zionism as a force in the US political establishment. Israel and its friends have too much damned influence in our country; and Ilhan Omar has been right to call them out.”

Hear, hear! Glad to hear you say it. Something which I realistically cannot say. Even on Mondoweiss.

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 5:53 pm

Jackdaw: “Talk the talk”

Grow up.

Jackdaw: “And much easier for the Arabs to massacre nurses, patients, orders and doctors in the Hasassah convoy massacre. ”

I’m sure this, too, was much easier for them after the Deir Yassin massacre. Which btw happened after a decade of Jewish terrorism.

Jackdaw: “Of course. Arabs massacre out of revenge. and Jews are cold-blooded killers who never killed out of revenge. Right?”

Jewish violence against Palestinians is inherent in its colonization and takeover of Palestine and expulsion of its natives. Palestinian violence gainst Jews has always been a reaction to this settler colonal project.

Jackdaw: “Do you want to take this even further?”

Why should I stop you from making a fool of yourself?

Mooser
Mooser on July 17, 2019, 5:53 pm

“My question was if becoming a loving individual is even compatible with Judaism”

You would think, if the Jewish desire to remain a distinct people, and moreover return to the land of Israel was a fraction as strong as Jewish leaders say it is, we could do those two simple, itty-bitty things: maintain strict endogamy (so as to refine and concentrate our genes) and bear as many children as possible. How much is that to ask?

Mooser
Mooser on July 17, 2019, 5:35 pm

Must be pretty bad out there when a Zionist has to go exclusively to an anti-Zionist blog to express himself.

Mooser
Mooser on July 17, 2019, 5:31 pm

“and the creation of a new, inclusive democratic society, truly a light unto the nations.”

You just had to stick in that “light unto the nations” gag, didn’t you?
Wow.

JaapBo
JaapBo on July 17, 2019, 5:15 pm

Brian Klug, in his article (https://www.pij.org/articles/1899/is-there-a-plausible-alternative-to-the-twostate-solution) takes Scots, Basques, Catalans and Slovaks as examples, but the weak point is that they already live in separate territories, while Jews and Palestinians in Israel/Palestine live mixed. Better models are South Africa and Rwanda, where the peoples also live mixed, and they have one shared state with equality for all citizens (and in Rwanda after a very serious conflict between Hutu’s and Tutsi’s, so why not in Israel/Palestine?).

Furthermore Klug says that Palestinians want a separate state too, but is this true? The PLO accepted it in 1988 only after fierce debate. I think separate states is the priority of zionists, but not that of Palestinians. Palestinians probably give priority to full equality. E.g. BDS want three Palestinian rights (slightly less than full equality), but is undecided on one state or two states.

In my view full equality is the main goal, and only then either one or two states.

Mooser
Mooser on July 17, 2019, 5:06 pm

“for those who see Zionism as a primary evil” “wj”

Okay, Zionism is a secondary evil, maybe even a tertiary evil, a consequence of primary and secondary evils. Happy now?

JaapBo
JaapBo on July 17, 2019, 4:34 pm

The 2SS is dead, but not only that! It is highly unlikely to achieve full equality of Jews and Palestinians (or what one might also call full decolonisation).
1) for full equality the Palestinian state should have full sovereignty over its territory, something rejected by Israeli PM’s during the 2SS peace process
2) full equality means that Israel accepts the Right of Return of the Palestinian refugees of the Nakba, which is not part of the 2SS
3) equality in Israel (which has over 65 discriminatory laws) is not part of the 2SS
Therefore, the ideal 2SS seems unreachable, and a non-ideal 2SS will mean that the struggle for equal rights has to go on!

jon s
jon s on July 17, 2019, 4:34 pm

Misterioso,
5000 Morroccan Jews promptly returned to Morrocco?
I sort of doubt it, seeing that the total number of Jews in Morrocco today is around 2000.

jon s
jon s on July 17, 2019, 4:23 pm

Yonah, You chose to arrive on the hottest day ever recorded!
Anyway,barukh ha’ba,welcome!

Tuyzentfloot
Tuyzentfloot on July 17, 2019, 3:57 pm

NYT comment threads: As a sample of the population – not good. As a sample of the ‘mainstream sphere of influence’ – better.

And what’s the the mainstream propaganda war anyway – is there anyone behind the dashboard or is it organic groupthink? (rhetorical question)

Ossinev
Ossinev on July 17, 2019, 3:30 pm

“the conflict is about two groups each claiming the same land as their homeland. Each side is attached to this place for national and religious reasons, and each side makes valid historical claims to support its case.”

What complete and utter garbage. This I/P conflict has got SFA to do with “two groups making claims”

The Palestinian people are not a ” group “. They including the Jews who lived in the land before the Zionist conspiracy took aim are the natives of the land. It was and is their homeland. It is not never was and never will be the “homeland ” of a foreign “group” whatever their origins and whatever their history including their conversion to Judaism history.

It does not presuppose expertise in rocket science to conclude that colonising Zionist Jews have zero “historical claims ” to another peoples land.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 3:30 pm

@eljay, et al

Breaking News:

CODEPINK news release, July 17/19:

“This is HISTORIC! Rep. Ilhan Omar — along with Reps John Lewis and Rashida Tlaib — just introduced the first-ever congressional resolution supporting the Palestinian grassroots movement to boycott Israel in order to pressure the country to abide by international law and respect the human rights of Palestinians.

“Introduced in 2005, the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement is now a key strategy for promoting Palestinian rights. Unfortunately, Israel, seeking to maintain it’s status quo of occupation and apartheid, treats BDS as public enemy #1, as do many pro-Israel members of the U.S. Congress.

“Speaking today to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Rep. Omar described how H.Res.496 ‘recognizes the proud history of boycott movements in this country leading back to the Boston Tea party. We should honor these movements and that history.’ Take action now: Contact your member of Congress and ask them to cosponsor H.Res.496, the resolution ‘affirming that all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.’

“One of the most incredible aspects of this resolution is that it is co-sponsored by Rep. Lewis, a long-time civil rights leader and 32-year-long Congressmember known for his strong support for Israel. Having Rep. Lewis as part of this resolution sends a clear and direct statement that the right to boycott must be protected, regardless of one’s position on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. This is a game-changer!

“H.Res.496 will serve as a counterweight to another congressional resolution — H.Res.246 — which condemns the BDS movement. While H.Res.246 is non-binding and doesn’t prescribe specific punishments for those who boycott Israel, it makes false claims. It says that BDS is anti-semitic, which it is not, and it says that the BDS movement opposes the two-state solution. In fact, BDS doesn’t take a position on a one-state or two-state solution, instead, it is a movement advocating for human rights for all and for adherence to international law.

“Contact your representative in the House. Tell them to vote no on H.Res.246 and instead join Congresswoman’s Ilhan Omar’s historic resolution affirming our right to boycott for freedom, equality, and justice.”

Towards freedom and equality,

Ann, Ariel, Carley, Clara, Georgia, Jodie, Maya, Mark, Medea, Megan, Nancy, Paki, Rose, Ryan, Sarah, Teri, Tighe, Umama, Ursula, and Zena

amigo
amigo on July 17, 2019, 2:57 pm

Being a real american is not that difficult.All is required of you (non whites).is that you accept and love Trump.s America and love and support Israel.

eljay
eljay on July 17, 2019, 2:47 pm

I applaud Ms. Omar for speaking yet another simple truth.

I condemn the (pro-)Zionists who will vilify and attempt to destroy her for speaking this truth as they have done for the other truths she has spoken.

annie
annie on July 17, 2019, 2:34 pm

“Zionist”, period, is a sufficient job description.

obviously not for saban. sanders is already a zionist but he’s not a sufficient lapdog, he doesn’t eat out of the hand of the lobby. he eschews aipac.

eljay
eljay on July 17, 2019, 2:33 pm

|| Jackdaw: … Of course. Arabs massacre out of revenge. and Jews are cold-blooded killers who never killed out of revenge. Right? … ||

Arabs and Jews are people and people kill for a variety of reasons. The fact that people kill for a variety of reasons in no way justifies Jewish / “Jewish State” colonialism, supremacism and (war) crimes.

wondering jew
wondering jew on July 17, 2019, 2:28 pm

Off topic- Seeing as how Mister Trump has made Israel an issue I am tempted to weigh in on Mister Trump and the wider issues raised here, but instead:
Report from Jerusalem. Since moving away from Israel after a five year “aliya”, I have visited Jerusalem every summer for the last 7 years 2012-2019 and I arrived in Jerusalem today.
I didn’t sleep much on the flight, which was a nonstop from JFK to Ben Gurion Airport. When I first arrived at Lod Airport in 1972 at the age of 16 , Ben Gurion was still alive (he died in December of 73, less than two months after the Yom Kippur war) and in fact at that time arriving passengers and the general public were allowed to mingle. (this was in February, four months before the Lod Airport massacre.)
The trip from the airport to Jerusalem was not very pleasant because the cabby told me that he would only take me to the center of town and not to the neighborhood where my apartment is located. (I ended up spending an extra 11 bucks on another cab once i was dropped off in Jerusalem.) We traveled through the West Bank on highway 443 because the first passenger was dropped off in a suburb of Jerusalem in occupied territory. When we got close to Jerusalem I could see the Bridge of the Strings, which is supposed to resemble or symbolize David’s harp and it can be seen from a distance. there are some tall buildings that constitute Jerusalem’s skyline when approached this way, but the sculpture is more artistic than any of those buildings.
I visited my parents in West Jerusalem in a neighborhood with a marked presence of ultra orthodox. My father does not talk much these days and my mother is not very political, although when I mentioned Mister Trump and the squad, my mother’s derogatory remarks were aimed at the squad and not Mister Trump. i dropped the topic.
When I left my parents I caught the train that travels on Highway 1, the seam between West Jerusalem and East Jerusalem. It was very hot today and there was a mix of Palestinians and Hebrew University types and ultra Orthodox on the train. The second stop after boarding the train is the Damascus Gate stop. I get a kick out of the 3 languages used to describe the stop: in English: The Damascus Gate, in Hebrew The Shechem Gate (Shechem is the Biblical term for Nablus) and in Arabic Bab el Amud, The gate of the pillar (right inside the gate there is the remnant of a column from the Roman era.)

I got off the train in the center of town and did a few errands: loading my transit card with cash and since I had already replaced my American Sim card with an Israeli Sim card, I now had to buy a month’s worth of internet and phone usage.

because I had been in Jerusalem in early April for less than a week for a wedding of a niece the usual thirst to see Jerusalem was not up to par. But still Jerusalem is my second home and hanging out in Zion square was reassuring. I then caught a bus to my neighborhood. (the place where I lived for 4 and a half years when I was an oleh, and the place that i have rented for at least a month every summer but one since then.)

Donald
Donald on July 17, 2019, 2:26 pm

I read NYT comment sections a little too often for my mental health ( or as the kids say today, so you don’t have to). In that demographic it is common to read people who “ defend” the Squad from Trump’s racism, but who also think that Omar is an antisemite or that the “ Squad” is too radical or both.

And when the MSM summarizes Omar’s history, they always say she was accused of antisemitism and never give the background about how the anti- BDS movement really does push local and state governments to side with Israel.

I can’t prove this— I don’t have polls to cite— but it is my impression that the mainstream propaganda war against Omar has been successful in branding her as an antisemite or at best as a wild- eyed nut who needs guidance from other Democrats. Or anyway, that’s the impression I get from reading NYT comment threads. There are exceptions.

annie
annie on July 17, 2019, 2:07 pm

Despite concerns about the bill being constitutional, it’s currently supported by 70% of the Democratic Caucus.

aren’t the concerns about the bill being unconstitutional?

Jackdaw
Jackdaw on July 17, 2019, 2:03 pm

@Talk the talk

Right.

And much easier for the Arabs to massacre nurses, patients, orders and doctors in the Hasassah convoy massacre.

Of course. Arabs massacre out of revenge. and Jews are cold-blooded killers who never killed out of revenge. Right?

Do you want to take this even further?

eljay
eljay on July 17, 2019, 1:44 pm

|| Mayhem: … Ignoring the particular history and presence of the Jewish people in that region … ||

No-one ignores the fact that prior to the advent of Zionism:
– some of the people living in geographic Palestine were people who had embraced the religion-based identity of Jewish; while
– most of the people living in geographic Palestine were people who had not embraced the religion-based identity of Jewish.

This un-ignored fact did not give to people all over the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who had also embraced the religion-based identity of Jewish the right to:
– steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine;
– establish in it a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”; and
– do decades-worth (and counting) of evil unto others.

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 12:58 pm

“More revealing, however, is the fact that in 1944 the area of the Negev alone under cultivation by Palestinians “was three times the total area cultivated by the entire Jewish community in Palestine after more than sixty years of loudly trumpeted ‘pioneering.'”

There’s always something to learn from you, Misterioso. :)

Keith
Keith on July 17, 2019, 12:56 pm

SIBIRIAK- “…she’s basically a very clever but intellectually dishonest polemicist.”

First of all, thanks for digging deeper. There is a certain irony here. Yonah asserts that Mondoweiss used to be more robust, and he is right! I have had occasion to Google some older topics of discussion and the comments section was more lively! There were few Zionists then and we anti-Zionists engaged in frequent spirited debate. Now we are inundated with Zionist commenters who do little but regurgitate Zionist talking points which usually involve ad hominem attacks on the strawmen which they create. They are almost without exception intellectually dishonest thereby rendering discussion/debate impossible. The end result frequently degenerates into a verbal food fight. An apropos quote of Israel Shahak.

All modern studies on Judaism, particularly by Jews, have evolved from that conflict, and to this day they bear the unmistakable marks of their origin: deception, apologetics or hostile polemics, indifference or even active hostility to the pursuit of truth. Almost all the so-called Jewish studies in Judaism, from that time to this very day, are polemics against an external enemy rather than an internal debate.” (p22, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years,” Israel Shahak)

Mooser
Mooser on July 17, 2019, 12:55 pm

“would sell their own kind down the river”

“Their own kind?” Do you mean that genetically, or socially, or religiously or politically?

Not quite getting what “their own kind” is supposed to mean.

And BTW, Mayhem, what plans, what possible coercion, can you apply to keep Jews from “selling their own kind down the river”?

Kay24
Kay24 on July 17, 2019, 12:00 pm

I will not vote for any of these Democrats who have become poodles to the zionist state.
Corey Booker from NJ has never got my vote, and his loyalty to zionists has been seen many times. They are a shameless lot.

Tonja
Tonja on July 17, 2019, 11:43 am

sure thing… kids stay home.. so they can be abducted then burnt alive if they stupidly gets out..
https://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/identities-admitted-mohammed/

or maybe they should lock themselves home.. maybe even hid in some safe room in case the israeli army are up to a fun raid
https://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/relatives-apparent-revenge/

but hoping they don’t decide to lock you in
https://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/383-palestinian-children-arrested-in-2011-15-in-the-last-week-alone/

I wonder if they finally they aren’t safer being close to their parents during protests…..

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 11:18 am

@DaBakr

Castro played footsie with Israel, but never climbed on its bandwagon.
As for the Cuban people, the vast majority are anti-Zionist and view “Israel” as a pariah.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 11:03 am

@Kay24

Bill Maher has been anti-Palestinian and a pro-Zionist toady for years. His first priority is to keep his TV show, not to seek and state the truth.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 10:55 am

@pinkduke

For the record:

A government survey conducted in 1944 estimated that the area Jews had under cultivation in all of Palestine was 716,750 dunams (one dunam equals about a quarter of an acre) or only about sixty per cent of their total landholdings (Survey of Palestine, Government of Palestine, Jerusalem, 1946, Vol.1, p.379; cited by Harvard Professor Walid Khalidi, From Haven to Conquest, p. lxix), which as of 1948, amounted to about 5.67 per cent of the entire country (Hadawi, Bitter Harvest, p. 50). When the British Mandate ended on 15 May 1948, the total area of Palestine under cultivation by Arab farmers (excluding that devoted to citrus crops) was 5,484,700 dunams compared to 425,450 dunums by Jewish farmers. (Khalidi, Before Their Diaspora, p. 125)

The only part of Palestine that can be described as “desert” is the Negev in which Palestinians were farming 2,109,234 dunums as of 1935, whereas by 1946 the total amount of Jewish owned land in the Negev did not exceed 21,000 dunums. (Khalidi, Before Their Diaspora, p.125). More revealing, however, is the fact that in 1944 the area of the Negev alone under cultivation by Palestinians “was three times the total area cultivated by the entire Jewish community in Palestine after more than sixty years of loudly trumpeted ‘pioneering.'” (Khalidi, From Haven To Conquest, pp. lxviii-lxix).

eljay
eljay on July 17, 2019, 10:33 am

.@JoeBiden berated one of our members while repeating a few of @AIPAC’s racist talking points (like “Not one single solitary Palestinian has said, ‘I agree that there will be a Jewish state in the region.’”)

Expecting Palestinians to agree to a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in geographic Palestine is like expecting women to agree to a violent rapist in the neighbourhood.

Zionism really does make Zionists stupid.

Rashers2
Rashers2 on July 17, 2019, 10:30 am

I’ve never believed Zionism or the Zionist political entity to be “liberal” when it comes to its attitudes towards (male) homosexuality. There are too many instances of the mask’s slipping, among rabid “Religious Zionists” both in- and outside the rabbinate and in- and outside Israel. Conservative Diaspora Zionists like ex- Chief Rabbi Jonathan (Lord) Sacks make no secret of their backward views on homosexuality. The “pinkwashing” of Israel is merely an element of Hasbara, a way of misinforming the outside world. Strip away the Hasbara and the prejudice and condemnation remain. If the religious right had its way in Israel then – just as in the USA and elsewhere in the West – re-criminalisation and persecution would be the logical consequences. Logical, because it’s all about hatred of “otherness”, as are the Zio-supremacism and ethno-religious discrimination inherent in Zionism.
Hasbara Central is fond of pointing out the “superior” record of Israel on gay rights compared with its Muslim neighbours, including some to which Israel has recently become far closer owing to a common enmity towards Iran (e. g., KSA), where male homosexuality remains illegal because it is interpreted to be contrary to scriptural teaching*. The fact that, in a number of other Middle-Eastern Muslim countries, discreet male homosexuality is subjected to an assiduously-practised blind eye naturally goes unmentioned.
* The generally-accepted wisdom that the Quran itself expressly forbids male homosexuality is untrue; it derives from post-Mohammedan scriptural scholars’ commentaries on the Quran. Sound familiar? C/f Talmud vs. Torah; King James’ translation of the Bible, on which all derivative English-language versions are based (the prohibition is believed by some to have been introduced through the translators to make a political point at James I’s expense, the King’s having openly conducted a relationship with James Villiers).

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 10:24 am

@Boris

Sigh.

“So why these lefties see Zionism as racist?”

Because Zionism is undeniably “racist.”

Here’s a few examples:

Once they arrived in Israel, Mizrachim (Arab Jews) were treated little better than animals. Those from Yemen were shorn of their side locks and sprayed with DDT to “disinfect” and “delouse” them and crammed into unsanitary overcrowded camps. After a short while the Mizrachi immigrants were ordered to leave the camps and earn their keep by working at menial tasks in nearby large Ashkenazi settlements. Ben-Gurion compared them to the Africans who were brought to America as slaves. (Segev, 1949: The First Israelis …, p. 157)

The fair-skinned Ashkenazi immigrants, however, were welcomed with open arms as equals and housed in the homes of dispossessed and expelled indigenous Christian and Muslim Palestinian Arabs. When Soviet immigrants arrived during 1969-70 Prime Minister Golda Meir greeted them at the airport declaring: “You are the real Jews. We have been waiting for you for twenty-five years…. You are a superior breed – you will provide us with heroes.” (Quoted by Joseph Massad, Zionism’s Others…, Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1996, pp. 61-62)

In the view of another prime minister of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir, the Palestinians are of no more significance than insects when compared to Jews: ‘From this mountain top and from the vantage point of history I say that these people [the Palestinians] are like grasshoppers compared to us.’ (The Independent, April 1988, from Reuter, Tel Aviv; quoted by Michael Rice, False Inheritance, Kegan Paul International, London and New York, 1994, p. 127).

Rabbi Perin, in an eulogy for mass murderer, Baruch Goldstein, in 1994: ‘One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.’ (New York Times, Feb. 28, 1994)

In April, 2001, during his Passover sermon, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, the spiritual leader of the Shas party and former Israeli Chief Rabbi, described the Arabs as ‘serpents’ and in his Passover sermon, he stated that ‘the Lord shall waste their seed, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.’

Regarding Palestinians residing in the occupied West Bank, Raphael Eitan, then Israel’s Chief of Staff, declared: ‘When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle….(New York Times, 14 April 1983)

Prime Minister Ehud Barak: ‘The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more…’ (Jerusalem Post, Aug. 30, 2002)

“Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

“The Racist Entity That Is Taking Over Israel Must Be Toppled”
Haaretz, Feb 27, 2011 by Sefi Rachlevsky
“…Israel has built a world where the Jews are citizens and the Arabs are not, both in the occupied territories and in Jerusalem; where a Jewish man is a citizen and his Arab neighbor is not. Most Jewish first-graders attend ultra-Orthodox and religious schools. The majority of them are educated along the lines of ‘The King’s Torah.’ A Jew is human. A non-Jew is non-human. ‘Thou shalt not kill’ does not apply to non-Jews. And this is not delivered in the form of incitement, but as a simple statement of a fact. As simple as calling a chair a chair.”

BTW, unable to bear their circumstances and the blatant racism directed towards them by the Ashkenazi/white European Jewish establishment, about 5,000 Moroccan Jews promptly returned to Morocco after arriving in Israel in the late 1940s. In recent years thousands more have returned home and continue to do in order to live a meaningful, peaceful and prosperous life among their Arab/Muslim/Christian brothers and sisters. Morocco is benefitting greatly from their return.

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 10:04 am

Kudos to Dareen Tatour, a mighty woman and a true champion of her people!!

It’s now over 71 years since the fascistic/racist/expansionist colonialist entity known as “Israel” was established in historic Palestine by Zionist Jews of foreign origin and their enablers through force of arms, several massacres, mass rape and intimidation leading to the dispossession and expulsion of well over one million of its indigenous Christian and Muslim inhabitants by 1967 and it is still increasingly dependent on the U.S. financially and geopolitically. It will NEVER take firm root!!

Misterioso
Misterioso on July 17, 2019, 9:41 am

@Citizen

“Poor little ‘Israel lives in a rough neighborhood.’”

No surprise. A “rough neighborhood” of fascistic/racist/expansionist “Israel’s” own making with the assistance of bought and paid for corrupt American politicians in the pocket of the Zionist lobby. As history attests, such is the fate of foreign racist expansionist colonialists who illegally and brutally occupy, dispossess, expel, slaughter, imprison, torture, humiliate, and ghettoize a defenseless indigenous people such as the Palestinians who along with their ancestors, have lived continuously between the River and the Sea for at least 15,000 years. Zionism is “hell on earth” for them, but in the long run, it will prove to be a disaster for Judaism.

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 9:22 am

Says who?

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 9:13 am

Jackdaw: “Arabs are only innocent victims, ‘children of God, incapable of machine gunning unarmed men and women.”

I’m sure it was much easier for them after Deir Yassin massacre.

Talkback
Talkback on July 17, 2019, 9:10 am

Boris: “In Israel Jews come in all kind of colors, …”

What does this even have to do with the question if one of them is racist towards Arabs or not?

Boris: “So, why these lefties see Zionism as racist?”

There were two preceding paragraphs (one of them is a quote) that explains why they do. Do you think that you are able to overcome your Hasbara implant and find them? Just relax and try to focus. It may take some time and might be blurry at the beginning. But it’s much easier if you know that there’s a world beyond Hasbara out there.