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  • Israel turns off power to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the dead of winter
    • Versus....

      US court orders Palestinians to pay Israeli attack victims more than $218M

      A U.S. jury on Monday ordered the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Palestinian Authority (PA) to pay more than $218 million for providing material support used in shootings and bombings in the Jerusalem area more than a decade ago.
      The verdict in Manhattan federal court added a new dimension to
      the long-running Middle East conflict, as American victims sought to use U.S. courts to seek damages under the Anti-Terrorism Act.
      Jurors found in favor of 10 American families suing over six attacks attributed to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Hamas. Victims and their families had requested more than $350 million over shootings and bombings from 2002 to 2004 that killed 33 people and injured over 450.

      "Because the U.S. does not recognize Palestine as a state, the PLO and PA do not have immunity under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA), which prevents lawsuits against foreign countries in American courts. Alleged crimes committed against American citizens by the Israeli military, including the death of U.S. activist Rachel Corrie, are therefore not admissible in U.S. courts.">>>

      Its always the money, always. ....a insatiable herd of locust on the land.

  • The 15 billion dollar deal that will make or break Israel's regional hegemony
    • '' But even they admit that a decade from now Israel could only meet between 20 and 40% of its overall needs, suggesting that producing enough oil for significant exports remains an unproven, distant concept. - ''

      That is the finding on Isr gas in all the gas industry trade journals.
      The more you understand Isr the more you see that it isn't viable---it must literally *consume every ounce of every resource around it to stay alive, water, rivers, gas, farmable land, buildable land---everything, .....and it cant reproduce those resources. ..and the more population they aim for the worse it gets....they will never be able to support it.
      Its not going to last ---its like a cannibal tribe that ate all it neighbors and then died out for lack of more neighbors to eat.

    • Slant drilling is illegal
      But naturally that wont stop Israel.

    • I dont have time to hunt up the reports right now but before anyone gets too excited over this they need to google the reports by the gas industry on this.

      The gist of which --and what isr knows---is that there isnt enough gas for them to fill their own total need to be independent 'and' export gas too for any length of time. Most estimates are less than 10 years. AND Isr is trying to get a gas deal with Egypt also.

      My bet is , because Isr knows this itself, that this is another short term plan until they can get their hands on the much larger gas fields that belong to Palestine. BP ,British Petroleum struck a deal with Palestine to develop their gas fields but Israel has prevented it and its been a basically dead issue for both BP and Palestine because of Israel..BP just closed their office in Palestine recently and gave up on the deal.

      There does seem to be something very large afoot here lately re Isr, Jordon and particulary Egypt----I havent put any time into trying to figure out if this is part of Russia, Turkey and some others being hemmed in or what but things arent jiving.

  • Inflammatory posters at UCLA call Students for Justice in Palestine 'Jew haters' (Updated)
    • I have noticed the' jew hater' description too recently--reminds me of the zio trolls at DKos who use to use the ''jooos' thing when taunting everyone.
      They do it to just inflame the subject and make everything even sleezier.

    • Huumm...trying to decide what I think of first blush it looked worthwhile to contribute to but on further examination I am not so sure, it looks hokey when you go all the way thru it.

      Rabbi Michael Lerner
      Editor, Tikkun Magazin

      No, Mr. Netanyhu! We Won't Let You Drag the U.S. into War With Iran!
      02/23/2015 7:48 am EST

      ''American Jews are Asking Our non-Jewish Neighbors To Stand With us Against Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's alliance with American Militarists.''

      We have a big problem: the Israeli Prime Minister wants to drag the US into a proxy war for Israel against Iran, and Jews are likely to get the blame when that war turns out be an even bigger disaster than the US war in Iraq.

      We need our non-Jewish neighbors to help us get out the message that Netanyahu does not speak for us and his policies are actually the opposite of what most American Jews support.
      The problem is intensified, because the media continually quotes the leaders of the 20% of our most reactionary Jews rather than those who are more in tune with the 70-80% of liberal and progressive American Jews.

      That is one reason why I want you (our non-Jewish neighbors as well as Jews) to sign and donate to an ad we will take in major American media to make our case and not let the militarists drown out our voice.
      Help us buy a full page ad in the NY Times to get our message to the decision makers. Click to see the ad here.
      HERE'S THE AD:

      [No, Mr. Netanyahu—
      you do not speak for
      American Jews
      • Every poll indicates that a majority of American Jews (and most non-Jews) support President Obama’s attempt to negotiate a settlement that would prohibit Iranian development of nuclear weapons rather than the Netanyahu approach of undermining those negotiations.
      The American People
      Do Not Want a
      War with Iran

      And send info to everyone on your email lists and place this whole article on your Facebook or other social media, tweet about it, and let people know: there is something you can do besides containing your anger as the reactionary Congress gives him standing ovation after standing ovation. You can get a different voice heard-- by getting everyone you know to sign and support this message: "NO, Mr. Netanyahu! We won't let you drag the U.S. into war with Iran.
      More on the media ads below, but first let me explain the situation.
      A few weeks ago, after having arranged with House Speaker Boehner to address a joint session of the newly minted Republican-dominated Congress while intentionally snubbing the normal protocol of first approaching the U.S. President, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu claimed to speak for all of the world Jews.

      Yet all the polls of American Jews resoundingly reject the politics that Netanyahu has followed. Netanyahu doesn't speak for us. He did everything possible to undermine US sponsored peace negotiations with the Palestinians--yet the American Jewish majority supports the creation of an economically and politically viable Palestinian state. While he rejects policies that would alleviate the extreme disparity between rich and poor in Israel, among the worst in the advanced industrial countries, most American Jews believe that governments should be doing more to bridge this gap. While he believes that Jews can never be safe anywhere but Israel, meanwhile pursuing policies toward Palestinians that have made most Israelis feel less safe than ever in this past year, most American Jews believe that we can count on the goodness and fairness of the American people and do not need to prepare an escape route to Israel.
      Most importantly, while he is coming to align himself with American militarists in both parties with the aim of pressuring President Obama to make demands on the Iranians that will be impossible for them to meet, and then pushing the U.S. into military action against Iran, most American Jews support President Obama's attempts to negotiate a peaceful path that would allow Iran to develop nuclear power for peaceful purpose but would prohibit it from developing nuclear weapons.

      Netanyahu's strategy is clear and clever. If he can push the Obama policymakers to stick with demands that Iran will find impossible to accept, essentially asking of them to give up any form of nuclear power, a demand we do not make on most other countries in the region (not China, not India,not Pakistan, and certainly not Israel), Netanyahu will set the stage for the failure of those negotiations. If Netanyahu has his way, the Republican Congress will insist on higher and higher levels of sanctions, which will further entrench the most militaristic elements in Iran who will insist that the US and Israel are clearly hankering for a military confrontation and that Iran's only protection is to develop nuclear weapons.

      ...continued if you want to read it all

      It goes on and jumps from this to a Global Marshall Plan in which the Us will restore the damaged world as we did Germany after WWII. You can look at the plan at the links in the article. But the plan has no details really but has nice glossy brochures.

      Whats missing in the call for non jews to join or support jews against netanyahu and war with iran and etc is there is nothing about Palestine at all--except the usual jingo call for 2 states living in peace.

      Maybe I am being a cynical hard ass but after studying this my reaction is.... you want my help and $$ to avoid a war that will blow back on jews and you want me to support your plan for a Global Marshall Plan that I would also be paying for?----BUT----you are not saying one word about your jewish state cleaning up its shit and paying for anything ---not one word about stopping aid to israel, not one word about ending the sick Isr-US relationship, not one word about Israel's human rights violations---not one word about a Marshall Plan for the Palestine victim of the jewish state you still want supported by the Us and my tax money, just in a less Netanyahu kind of way. And--- in your fancy brochures for your Global Plan all your pictures an examples mention most of the earth EXCEPT Palestine...not a single picture or example on Palestine.

      So what is this? I am suppose to help you out of the rock and hard place you put your own selves in while you still support Israel--so you can go on supporting US support for Israel if you can just avoid a US war with Iran and blow back on jews even though all sane people know that even avoiding war with Iran wont be the end of Isr demands or insanity.
      The Rabbi is evidently not familiar with the expression 'where the rubber meets the road'.....the non jewish pro America, pro justice ,no more bull shit rubber will hit the road in your behalf when you give up all US government support of Israel Rabbi and confine your Isr support to your own personal contributions and non political venues. Period.

    • '' the pro-Israel group on our campus, Bruins for Israel, emailed us to let us know that they also found the flyers hateful and that they were taking them down and calling on all of their allies to do the same.”

      I imagine the Bruins for israel know who put the posters up...or at least have a good idea who among their ranks would do it.

  • Racism is in the air: Video showing racist exchange between Israelis and a flight attendant goes viral
    • Mooser February 23, 2015, 11:21 am

      Gee, could somebody correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t, no matter where they come from, (and no matter what the level of etiquette in the home shtetl) isn’t the most universal experience for Israelis being drafted into the IDF for a couple of years at 18? And doing occupation service? Perhaps that has something to do with it. ''>>>>

      Militaries are all about discipline, self controlled, behavior.
      I was out at the Officers Club one night with a retired AF Col. friend of mine--sitting at the bar we were taunted by a active duty AF pilot who was drunk and had some burr up his ass about some snub or something he blamed on civilian locals---not realizing he was insulting a A/F Col also in his remarks.
      I brushed it off but my Col. friend was furious and called the base commander the next morning.....the guy got suspended from flight duty for a week and had to go our houses in person and apologize to each us.
      I really didnt want him to do that I would have preferred to just forget it--- but that is how seriously most militaries take the discipline and behavior of their members whether on or off duty and toward the public as well as fellow officers.

      I am told however by people that know that no such discipline or code of conduct exist in the israeli military so you might be right.

    • Israel does not deserve to exist.

      Max [email protected] · 3h 3 hours ago
      Environmental terror MT @annepaq: Israel flooded mid Gaza and the sea with wasted water. Sea turned horrible brown.

      click Max's twitter and look at the picture, its horrible.''

      Max [email protected] · 7 hrs7 hours ago
      Israel opens dam to flood the Gaza Strip: … This terror is like a ritual:

      Max Blumenthal retweeted
      Dr.Bassel [email protected] · 17 hrs17 hours ago
      Israel opened #Gaza Valley Dam this morning.that led to the sinking of dozens of houses that belong to Gazan citizens
      Gazans flee floods caused by Israel's dams opening - Al Jazeera English

      Al Jazeera‎ - 12 hours agoAt least 80 Palestinian homes have been flooded after water levels in the Gaza Valley (Wadi ...

      The hasbara crowd is out saying there arent any dams....they lie....I checked wiki for water map and there are dams.

  • Netanyahu flips off Harry Truman
    • Citizen Four (based on Snowden) won an Oscar. American Sniper didnt.

      The Oscar awards are base on 6,000 members votes which are *secret ballots*.

      heheh...that does present a problem for zionist career assassins in hollywood....they might mistakenly blacklist the wrong person and do in one of their own.

    • hehehe.......I hope Isr does just that. I can guarantee you that china will not have the paternalist attitude toward israel that the west has had. In an isr-china isr will serve china's greater good--not visa versa.
      And my prediction on india?----it will be the next 'problem' country----another frankstein the US created at isr request.

    • Good !
      More please.

    • I think Netanyahu is more far gone than just being trapped in this latest ego act----
      I think he really believes that the Zio hold on the US means he can slap us around any way he pleases, our government is owned and americans are stupid....he really thinks he is the King of the Jews and hence the King of America in his mind.

    • Better yet buy the will set you aflame.

      Here's some excerpts from the excerpt at' If Americans Knew' appropriate name for a site about Israel-US if there ever was one...

      The short excerpt doesn't show one particular dirty zionist act ---how US zionist 'impersonated' US officials and passed themselves off as US gov trade representatives and other officials and traveled to other countries to threaten them with various US punishments if they didnt vote for Israel at the UN.
      Like they did just not long ago impersonating and passing themselves off a US CIA officers in some countries in the ME.

      Against Our Better Judgment
      The hidden history of how the United States
      was used to create Israel

      Alison Weir
      February 28, 2014

      The following is a short excerpt. To read more, order the book on (paperback or Kindle). For discounted bulk orders, please contact us.

      excerpts of the excerpt

      Chapter One
      How the U.S. "Special Relationship" with Israel came about

      While many people are led to believe that U.S. support for Israel is driven by the American establishment and U.S. national interests, the facts don't support this theory. The reality is that for decades U.S. foreign policy and defense experts opposed supporting the creation of Israel. They then similarly opposed the massive American funding and diplomatic support that sustained the forcibly established state and that provided a blank check for its aggressive expansion. They were simply outmaneuvered and eventually replaced.

      Like many American policies, U.S. Middle East policies are driven by a special interest lobby. However, the Israel Lobby, as it is called today in the U.S.[1], consists of vastly more than what most people envision in the word "lobby."

      As this book will demonstrate, the Israel Lobby is considerably more powerful and pervasive than other lobbies. Components of it, both individuals and groups, have worked underground, secretly and even illegally throughout its history, as documented by scholars and participants.

      And even though the movement for Israel has been operating in the U.S. for over a hundred years, most Americans are completely unaware of this movement and its attendant ideology – a measure of its unique influence over public knowledge.

      The success of this movement to achieve its goals, partly due to the hidden nature of much of its activity, has been staggering. It has also been at almost unimaginable cost.

      It has led to massive tragedy in the Middle East: a hundred-year war of violence and loss; sacred land soaked in sorrow.

      In addition, this movement has been profoundly damaging to the United States itself.

      As we will see in this two-part examination of the pro-Israel movement, it has targeted virtually every significant sector of American society; worked to involve Americans in tragic, unnecessary, and profoundly costly wars; dominated Congress for decades; increasingly determined which candidates could become serious contenders for the U.S. presidency; and promoted bigotry toward an entire population, religion and culture.

      It has promoted policies that have exposed Americans to growing danger, and then exaggerated this danger (while disguising its cause), fueling actions that dismember some of our nation's most fundamental freedoms and cherished principles.[2]

      All this for a population that is considerably smaller than New Jersey's.[3]

      Chapter Two
      The beginnings
      The Israel Lobby in the U.S. is just the tip of an older and far larger iceberg known as "political Zionism," an international movement that began in the late 1800s with the goal of creating a Jewish state somewhere in the world.

      The importance of the United States to this movement was recognized from early on. One of the founders of political Zionism, Max Nordau, wrote a few years after the Basle conference, "Zionism's only hope is the Jews of America."[11]

      At that time, however, and for decades after, the large majority of Jewish Americans were not Zionists. In fact, many actively opposed Zionism. In the coming years, however, Zionists were to woo them assiduously with every means at hand and the extent to which Nordau's hope was eventually realized is indicated by the statement by a prominent author on Jewish history, Naomi Cohen, writing in 2003, "but for the financial support and political pressure of American Jews... Israel might not have been born in 1948."[12]

      Groups advocating the setting up of a Jewish state had first begun popping up around the United States in the 1880s
      By the early 1890s organizations promoting Zionism existed in New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Boston, Philadelphia, and Cleveland.[18]

      Reports from the Zionist World Congress in Basle, which four Americans had attended, gave this movement a major stimulus, galvanizing Zionist activities in American cities that had large Jewish populations.[19]

      In 1897-98 Zionists founded numerous additional societies throughout the East and the Midwest. In 1898 they converged in a first annual conference of American Zionists, held in New York on July 4th. There they formed the Federation of American Zionists (FAZ).[20]

      By the 1910s the number of Zionists in the U.S. approached 20,000 and included lawyers, professors, and businessmen. Even in its infancy, when it was still relatively weak, and represented only a tiny fraction of the American Jewish population, Zionism was becoming a movement to which "Congressmen, particularly in the eastern cities, began to listen."[21]

      The movement continued to expand. By 1914 several additional Zionist groups had formed, including Hadassah, the women's Zionist organization.[22] By 1918 there were 200,000 Zionists in the U.S., and by 1948 this had grown to almost a million. [23]

      From early on Zionists actively pushed their agenda in the media. One Zionist organizer proudly proclaimed in 1912 "the zealous and incessant propaganda which is carried on by countless societies." The Yiddish press from a very early period espoused the Zionist cause. By 1923 every New York Yiddish newspaper except one was Zionist. Yiddish dailies reached 535,000 families in 1927.[24]

      While Zionists were making major inroads in influencing Congress and the media, State Department officials were less enamored with Zionists, who they felt were trying to use the American government for a project damaging to the United States. Unlike politicians, State Department officials were not dependent on votes and campaign donations. They were charged with recommending and implementing policies beneficial to all Americans, not just one tiny sliver working on behalf of a foreign entity. [25]

      In memo after memo, year after year, U.S. diplomatic and military experts pointed out that Zionism was counter to both U.S. interests and principles.

      While more examples will be discussed later, Secretary of State Philander Knox was perhaps the first in the pattern of State Department officials rejecting Zionist advances. In 1912, the Zionist Literary Society approached the Taft administration for an endorsement. Knox turned them down flat, noting that "problems of Zionism involve certain matters primarily related to the interests of countries other than our own."[26]

      Despite that small setback in 1912, Zionists garnered a far more significant victory in the same year, one that was to have enormous consequences both internationally and in the United States and that was part of a pattern of influence that continues through today.

      Chapter Three
      Louis Brandeis, Zionism, and the "Parushim"


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    • little female scorpion......I use to think Debbie wasnt really a bad little girl and could be reformed from zio-ism---but I guess not.

      Report: Wasserman Schultz Threatened to Accuse Obama of Anti-Semitism, Sexism if Ousted as DNC Chair

      "Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) reportedly threatened to accuse President Barack Obama of anti-Semitism and sexism if she was ousted as DNC chair.

      According to a Politico report, when Wasserman Schultz “sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic.”"

      "Obama’s opinion of her was reportedly “sealed back in 2011″ according to the outlet: “Shortly after becoming chairwoman, she pushed hard for a meeting with the president that she kicked off by complaining that she had been blocked from hiring the daughter of a donor — who’d been on staff in her congressional office — as a junior staffer to be the DNC’s Jewish community liaison.”

      "As DNC Chair, Wasserman Schultz especially angered Democrats when she reportedly tried to use DNC funds to buy herself clothes on at least three occasions–and she doggedly would not let the issue go, reportedly asking top Obama administration officials to give the DNC the green light to purchase her fancy clothing."

    • told ya told ya told ya...

      The uber jewish zionist are scorpions.....they will sting any frog that gives them a ride. No gratitude or loyalty to any of their benefactors in their DNA.

      Sting us more !...drown us.! We are big enough to come back, they aren't. And when they are finished in the USA they are finished everywhere in the universe. ..finito!

  • 'Haaretz' says Netanyahu could incite 'another political assassination' (as 'NYT' runs cutesy election coverage)
    • Netanyahu and Co. have lost it, their US minons have also lost it.....accusing US legistators of being traitors to Israel?...gawd...gets more orwellian every day.

      And they keep upping the anty against Obama. Are they trying to inspire an assassination of Obama also--as the zionist nut case of the Atlanta Jewish Journal suggested a few years ago?

      Ex-envoy to US: White House boycott of AIPAC tantamount to boycott of alliance with Israel

      "Former ambassador to the US Michael Oren addressed on Saturday media reports that the White House may boycott the upcoming AIPAC conference in an attempt to undermine Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Congress address, calling AIPAC a "strategic asset" to the State of Israel whose status "must not be harmed." "Should the American government choose to boycott AIPAC," Oren said, "it will essentially choose to boycott its strategic alliance with Israel.""

      The way I see Obama has two choices right now...........give in to the lobby and Israel or kick their asses to the curb.
      He should deploy and plant even more damaging info on Israeli betrayal and damage to the US----make it explosive info the media cant resist even if they have the zios come on to scream anti semitism and deny it......there's plenty of it to release that would infuriate americans.
      Wouldnt hurt either for some zionist agent names to be dropped in these leaks.

      Call him and tell him to go for it-----202-456-1111

  • Is flying a nationalist flag ever a progressive act?
    • Not to disparage the author but this flag thing is sort of silly.

      I understand the call against oppressive capitalism but nationalism isnt the 'cause 'of it....its just used to cover for it many times. And nationalism has many meanings, some good some bad and some groups/people have agendas that a lack of nationalism suits just fine--makes it easier for them to oppress people.

      She should be advocating for the right kind of nationalism...the kind where people will unite for the common good of everyone within their nations.

      How do the anti capitalist, peace loving universalist think they are going to defeat oppressive capitalism without starting in their own nations first?

      Very naive imo.

  • In Their Own Words: Four residents of Yarmouk speak
  • Netanyahu claims to know 'details' of Iran deal -- and State Dep't mocks him
    • eGuard February 21, 2015, 8:39 pm

      Seafoid, he smeared Ali Abunimah (electronic intifada) being an anti-Semite. Did not correct or excuse ever. Next time: you.''

      mj doesnt like gentiles or christians......he is totally into its the gentiles and christians that caused the holocaust and are responsible for his wife being born in a DP camp.
      He accused the new catholic pope with helping kill jews in Argentina too.
      He's fun to follow cause his mental ping pongings are comical a lot of the time.

    • I would bet the current military command has the same view as these retired military commanders....they are just constrained from saying it publically.

      Analysts: Israel PM's Visit Complicates Risk to Troops and ISIS Fight | -

      "House Speaker John Boehner's invitation to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to speak before Congress puts the U.S.-Iran nuclear talks in jeopardy, but also complicates the Arab coalition formed to defeat ISIS and complicates the risk to U.S troops stationed abroad, according to military and foreign policy analysts."

      ""The military understands what the increasingly biased attitude towards Israel means for it. It means a red bull's-eye on their backs everywhere they go. If for nothing else, because of that," said Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel and former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell."

      "Retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, now a senior advisor with National Security Network, a Washington, DC-based foreign policy think tank, said the Netanyahu invitation feeds into the hard-line views on all sides. "So many people want to see a military solution to every problem we've got in foreign policy," Eaton said in a Feb. 11 interview. "What we are seeing [with the Netanyahu invitation] is an effort to frustrate the diplomatic process right now to solve our problems with a use of military power against the Iranians." Eaton said scuttling diplomacy is "not in the interest of the United States and not in the interest of the armed forces of the United States.""

      "Eaton and Wilkerson said Pentagon leaders have previously made these points to lawmakers in closed door meetings. But even those who take it to heart and agree will not say so on the House or Senate floor or out in public."

      "Retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, who as commander of U.S. Central Command from 2010 to 2013 oversaw wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, noted that American troops face increased threats by the country's close identification with Israeli policies and actions. "I paid a military-security price every day as the commander of CentCom because the Americans were seen as biased in support of Israel," Mattis said in a talk at the Aspen Security Forum in 2013. His predecessor at CentCom, Gen. David Petraeus,... more...

    • heheheh.....I can over look my frenemeny mj's zio bi- polarness when he gets into truth mode.

      MJ [email protected] · 2 hrs2 hours ago

      They go NUTS when you say "Israel Firster" and it's pretty obvious why. (No, not Schumer or Boxer, for them its just $$$).0 replies1 retweet1 favorite

      MJ [email protected] · 2 hrs2 hours ago

      I don't know. For Engel,Wasserman Schultz,Sherman, Steve Israel, it may not be dual loyalty at all. Just one.

      MJ [email protected] · 2 hrs2 hours ago

      The Elliot Engels, Steve Israels, Debbie Wasserman Schultzes, & Brad Shermans serve in Congress but their loyalty lies elsewhere.

      MJ [email protected] · 2 hrs2 hours ago

      So Obama must counter a foreigner b/c he has a massive money lobby promoting his interests over America's

    • ..other motives..?

      I imagine the US full tax deduction on donations to Israel are rife with money laundering.....donate 100K get back 80K in a off shore account.

  • Mike Huckabee's 'welcome to Israel' bash was in a settlement
    • '' “The way you stop the school bully is you put your fist in its face and you put its butt on the ground,” Huckabee continued. ''

      What a piece of excretment.
      Another chickenhawk huckster who ought to be snatched and parachuted into a ISIS encampment.

  • Liberal Zionist arguments against one state are born of moral or political weakness
    • Re Atzmon

      I realize the PTB at MW dont like Atzmon but I do not read him as an anti semite, self hating jew or holocaust 'denier'.
      The worst I would say about him is he might enjoy his notoriety a bit too much.
      I think he's a myth buster mostly.

      This comment may go down the rabbit hole per the policy of no criticism of jewishness or jewish culture which is what Atzmon does and advocates. But he is right imo, the left or so called progressives still maintain a absolute firewall against examination of anything in jewish culture/tradition, whatever you want to call it , that existed before official zionism and may have played a part in many Jews embracing it.
      IMO the victim and special nation/group of people firewall doesn't allow normal or rational examination. Why? Only two reasons I can think of----those who object and won't allow it believe it would encourage anti semitism---and then some Do Want to maintain the illusion of their people being a special and completely innocent people for their own agenda or ego.
      Every other culture/ group I can think of has been dissected, had its innards exposed, condemned or praised for various traits and collective attitudes at one time or another.
      The white group culture has certainly been in the petri dish and has taken a beating for decades, as have the Christians, now the Muslim Islamic culture is getting the same treatment.
      I object to examination of cultures that are just for demonizing but not to exposing what needs to be 'owned up to' or changed in a group.
      I see all the time on here for example Palestine activist who rail against Israeli aggression and also rail against any collective blaming of jews----and then turn around in their comparisons of Isr's occupation to Jim Crow 'Southern culture' and 'collectively' condemn Southerners. As a southerner I see the hypocrisy but I shrug it off, its not worth correcting or explaning how the South came to its own necessary self examination.

      The point being if a group won't allow or examine its own cultural negatives then whatever the problems are will continue. The hypocrisy in this taboo does not work.

    • Excellent, excellent piece.
      Like a drink of sparkling ice water in a desert of parched hasbara.

  • Leaked e-mails show that Israeli consulate, StandWithUs tried to thwart Northwestern divestment (Updated)
    • Stanford president: No topic “more divisive” than BDS | Opinion | Jewish Journal

      "In the nearly 15 years that I have been president, and my 30 years here as a faculty member, I have never seen a topic that has been more divisive within the university community.">>>>>

      Great! ...lets keep it divisive until the zionist crater.

  • My invitation to speak at Hebrew Union College
    • Mooser February 24, 2015, 12:27 pm
      “Well you are wrong and also right in the sense that…”In the sense that you don’t think “Jews” (however the US chooses to define that, or does it?) are entitled to the same protections as any other American? Or is it that none of us are entitled to those things -

      Mooser February 23, 2015 at 3:54 pm "—-and then turn around in their comparisons of Isr’s occupation to Jim Crow ‘Southern culture’ and ‘collectively’ condemn Southerners. As a southerner I see the hypocrisy but I shrug it off, its not worth correcting or explaning how the South came to its own necessary self examination.">> I know, all that stuff about the South having a system of legal segregation and nearly re-instituting black slavery through the penal system is just a Northern myth. And of course, the pernicious myth of different standards of justice for the two and even accusations of a different value of lives. And nobody will admit it was stopped by self examination. We persist in saying it was Federal intervention. Pure hypocrisy, and I'm as bad as the rest about it. - See more at:

      I cant express how much you disgust me. There is absolutely no difference in the ethnocentric Zionist Jewish narcissism and hostile supremest attitude and your Jewish ethnocentric hostility and bigotry . Your railing against Zionist means nothing because the only reason you are against it is because you think its bad for ‘your Jewishness.”

      For years on here all you have done is stalk commenters especially non Jews, as you do to me constantly.

      You spew 24/7 all over here and other blogs on net how the Jews are all individuals and not monolithic and then you proclaim all southerners, gentiles, Christian ad nausea are all alike and are monolithic.
      You are a flaming hypocrite, a true bigot and you are so stupid you think your attempts a humorous insults cover up your bigotry. It doesn’t. And your cheering section needs to reexamine their values and take off their blinkers if they think you are anyone to admire.

      I could give thousands of your comments as examples of your hypocrisy and twisting the comments of others to attack them with your nauseating Jewish centeredness bigotry but a few will suffice:

      Mooser September 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm "Mooser assures us that Jews have NEVER been collectively responsible for anything in history"

      Please tell me what the Jews are "collectively responsible for". Please, go right ahead. I'm all ears. - See more at:

      Yeah, cause if there was one thing a racist Southern cracker knew about - See more at:

      ”Beware the beginnings, consider the end”..would be good advice to all the supreme groups...American
      Reply Mooser October 18, 2014, 11:58 am So, American, you figure White Nationalism is the antidote to Zionism? I can’t think of two groups more likely to be at each other’s throats. I hope they don’t leave hickies. - See more at:

      tree September 27, 2009, 4:58 am
      Mooser, for some one who claims that he can’t understand Americans because he can’t understand “racist chickenhawkery “, you seem to have a different set of standards when judging groups of people. I can certainly acknowledge and agree that there are elements of RC in American culture. I could also acknowledge that there are elements of racism and chickenhawkery in Jewish culture and among certain self-identified Jewish groups. However, if we were to take what you said about Americans and say it instead about Jews, you’d be up in arms(and perhaps rightly so), ranting about anti-semitism - See more at:

      Citizen September 27, 2009, 10:28 am
      “Is it good (in my opinion) for the Jews? In that sense, Mooser, you are operating with the same engine as Norman P or any neocon. You simply disagree as to strategy. Otherwise, you would not have painted gentiles with the broad brush you have in so many of your comments. ... - See more at:

      I cant remember off hand who said this but it was a Jewish writer……”We’ve never been able to look into the others eyes and see when they’ve had enough of us”. Well I have had enough of you and of this site’s hypocrisy in allowing you to be their pet attack poddle on non Jews here under the guise of humorous wittism. You are sniveling, snickering, lying guttersnipe coward and that is all you are.

      Note to MW adm—I doubt you have the balls or honesty to publish this comment but Please for heaven’s sake ban me!...while I am going cold turkey off MW I don’t want to be able to comment here if I should slip and become tempted. I will happily join the ranks of Blankfort, Rutherford, WAO, Atzmon and the multitude of all the other banished and disgusted who left of their own accord because they could not stomach the bigoted hypocrisy here that Mooser represents and didn’t want to lend their token non jewish voices any longer to legitimize this hypocrisy.

    • Mosser says

      ''But as far as I know the “special minority classification which was a religious one” exists only in their own minds, and not in US law, or am I wrong about that? ''

      Well you are wrong and also right in the sense that that dont come under the protectin laws just becuase they are minority---other religious also com under it. For Jews the legal protection is as religious not as an ethnic or race.
      BUT- they use to be classified as a minority race along with its been complicated as time marched on and legal rulings.

      If you were attacked for instance for being jewish it would be in the FBI statistics under a religious hate crime , not as ethnic or race.
      ''Crime reported to the FBI involve those motivated by biases based on race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, and disability''

      Here is how they break down hate crimes.

      There have been a couple of SC challanges to just considering jews a religion but as Peto explained when Jews moved into the white classification the old US Statute. P. 617. that classed jews and arabs as minority races in discrimination cases became defunct and no longer applicable. Jewish leadership did not want to maintain jews as not white (diferent race) under the old discrimination laws so didnt fight the changes in classifcation to a religious one.

      You can read an oddball example here of some jews who wanted to sue undr the old race discrimination statute. .

    • I finally found time to come back and read Jenny Petos' thesis, highly recommend reading it. Nothing remotely anti semitic about it. If you read it though you will see why it was condemned in the political arena.
      You can download it here:

      It starts with documenting how Jews became to be considered white along with some other minorities at the time like the Italians---basically thru government programs and economic opportunities after WWII that lifted the economic boats of Jews into being part of the middle class and out of the poorer sections and environs they lived in before then. So 'middle class and whiteness ' became synonymous .

      Also documents the many political permutations of Jewishness that came as a result of being accepted as white in the US and elsewhere such as South Africa---seeking for instance in the US a classification as a protected minority religion, not race, which would give them group protection without negating their acceptance as white. There was then, as now, a fear of jews assimilating into whiteness too much and losing the jewish unity.
      For the sake of group prosperity they had to keep a foot in the white middle class world---but for the sake of jewish distinictiveness they also had to have a special minority classification which was a religious one.

      Way too much to this to go into all of it but Peto moves on to show how Holocaust Education serves the two core goals of Jewish leadership ----1) Keeping Jews as a 'distinct people' and tribe by virture of victimhood, being white but exceptional to ordinary whiteness by their victimhood and other markers, therefore still distinct from others. 2) Using this distinctness and exceptionalism in a chameleon like way under many labels and attaching it to popular causes as needed to support Israel. Using whatever identity or claim best suits their purpose.

      Iow they can take the Holocaust and victimhood claim and leapfrog it over just claiming jewish exceptionalism just because of that into the Jewish state being the moral forefront of the world. ..a wider cause than just Jews but while still keeping themselves as the world's moral actors and centerpiece. Still exceptionalism but with lipstick.

      "As their suffering is converted into universal and cosmopolitan wisdom, Jews and Israel take their place at the forefront of the struggle of civilization against barbarism, tolerance against hatred…[This] enables a defense of Israel that relies less on Jewish exceptionalism vis-à-vis the Holocaust or Jewishness itself than on positioning Jews as defenders of civilization, humanism, civility and a tolerant order and, conversely, positioning Israel’s enemies as enemies to these values.
      Simply by aligning Jews and Israel with the civility of the
      West, they achieves an important goal of producing Jews as moral actors and Israel as a moral state. This is instrumental in defending against charges of brutality that are more frequently being leveled against the Israeli state.''

      Petos thesis was done 5 years ago but here is a just yesterday perfect example of the above quote:....making the Jewish state the
      centerpiece, the moral front leaders.

      ''Bennett to Europe: Israel is on the front lines in war against terror ...
      Jerusalem Post Israel News-Feb 17, 2015
      Israel is at the forefront of the global war on terrorism, stopping radical Islam on its way to attack Europe, .......''

      As said there is nothing anti semitic about it. But it had to be attacked by those complict in zionism and Israel because it shows the steps, the inventions, the contridictions observers see and find so frustrating which is their chameleon ability to take on whatever coloring, claim, identity or guise that is necessary for zionism and Israel.
      Really smart and through, need to read it more than once to get everything in it.

    • Ditto for brave Shipman.

      And for this brave girl too..... the zio assassin team and their minions will be gotten in the end. The truth always comes out sooner or later.

      Author of Master's Thesis Critical of Jewish Narcissism ..."

      On Tuesday, December 14th, 2010 in News.

      Academics are calling the Ontario government’s condemnation of a university student thesis an attack on scholarly freedom, but those offended by the controversial paper insist they won’t let “hate” hide behind the veil of academia.

      Jenny Peto’s 100-page thesis argues that today’s Jews of European descent “enjoy white privilege” and maintain a victim identity by participating in “hegemonic” Holocaust remembrance programs such as the March of the Living, during which young Jewish people visit Poland and Israel. The University of Toronto accepted the defended thesis and awarded a master’s degree to the 29-year-old, who is an activist associated with the Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid group. She’s also Jewish and a descendant of Holocaust survivors.
      The thesis, entitled The Victimhood of the Powerful: White Jews, Zionism and the Racism of Hegemonic Holocaust Education, describes Israel as an apartheid state.
      It has provoked intense debate online, in academia and even the political realm. Progressive Conservative MPP Steve Clark raised it in the legislature Tuesday in response to sharp criticism in the Jewish community, calling it “shockingly anti-Semitic.” Citizenship and immigration minister Eric Hoskins likewise condemned the thesis in the legislature saying he was “greatly disturbed and, in fact, disgusted,” when he read media coverage about it.
      In a statement to the Post on Wednesday, Mr. Hoskins stood by his condemnation: “I rose in the House to condemn all anti-Semitism, a particularly vile and pernicious form of discrimination,” he said. “The lessons to be learned from the Holocaust are pivotal, not just for the Jewish community, but for all Ontarians.”
      Ms. Peto responded to the criticism by saying her academic freedom was under attack. “I never could have imagined an MA thesis getting this much attention,” she said. “But given my reputation as a vocal critic of Israel … I am never surprised to be attacked by pro-Israel groups or pro-Israel politicians, for that matter.”
      “Students and researchers should be able to research and publish on controversial matters without the fear of attacks from the government.”
      It is certainly unusual for a student’s work to be challenged by elected representatives, said Michiel Horn, a York University history professor and author of Academic Freedom in Canada: A History.
      “I know not of a single case where a master’s or a phD paper has been subject of discussion in the legislature of any province in Canada,” he said.
      “This is hardly the forum,” he added, insisting that politicians should not be perceived to be tearing apart a thesis that has already been vetted by two university experts.
      University of Toronto provost Cheryl Misak said most if not all dissertations from the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, where Ms. Peto studied, are scrutinized by a panel of experts who must grill the student and pose all kinds of “obstacles” to the argument. Though she wasn’t present at Ms. Peto’s thesis defence, she says she’s confident the process met the high standards set by the institution.
      “They’re called defences for good reason,” she said. “The thing that concerns me is that this is a piece of student work and it’s part of a wider educational project. It’s important to remember that.”
      Anyone who disagrees with a thesis, paper, book or statement and might find it offensive, can offer counterarguments, she said.
      “That’s what freedom of expression is, that’s how it ought to unfold,” she said. “Condemnation is not really how expression is done.”

  • One-state 'fantasy is very dangerous' because it cannot tell us what the military looks like -- Manekin
    • @ LarryDerfner

      You've 'declared' neither the 2 state or 1 state is going to happen.

      So exactly what is there to debate with you?
      Are we suppose to capitulate to your declarations or convince you you are wrong?

      My response to zionist is there is no point in 'debating' with you, your debate is mostly hasbara and trying to convince people to accept the fate of Palestine decided by Israel.
      You can continue your efforts and we will continue ours...may the right side win.

    • jeffb says...

      ''Damn right I’d be wanting the USA to lose and if I had a way to do more than want, I would. Everything in life is a situation. Sane people don’t put other people in situations like that'.

      You are absolutely right that Israel would quickly choose war over dissolving the state. - '''

      Well you obviously arent've declared yourself an enemy of America---thats a war you cant win---just like Israel would choose war over dissolving their state we would destroy you before turning ours over to you if and when it comes to that.
      You are very delusional.

    • Kris February 18, 2015, 7:35 pm

      @JeffB: “The southerners at least had a great deal of affection for individual blacks even if they had collective racism.”

      As someone who grew up in the Jim Crow south, I can tell you that this is nonsense. ->>>>>

      No, not entirely nonsense. Although I guess that view depends on what kind of southern family or society you grew up in.
      Among mostly the lower class whites there was some fear of blacks, part of their racism in regarding blacks as uncivilized sub humans and the tendency of every class to have to have someone below them to look down on in order to elevate their own selves.
      Among other whites there was some affection for the blacks and a sense of responsibility for the blacks employed by or connected to their family that involved paying for medical care and assisting them in other ways above and beyond that as just an employer.
      This could probably be labeled 'paternalism' ....and derided as another example of white snobbery and a way to keep blacks in their place but it was the best many white southerners could do in those times and until discrimination was slowly whittled away by law.

    • I have never been too in favor of One State and Manekin and Beinart are perfect examples of why I havent.

      Zionist are intrinsically incapable of having or even imagining a loyalty to any *common cause, principle or country except what they regard as the Jewish People's Cause/Country. If Israel was not a Jewish state they would have no more loyalty to it than they have to Ireland.

      Because of this a One State would then literally become a true Apartheid state as they tried to maintain Jewish rule/domination in the One state.
      It would be another decades long struggle for Palestines and likely more violence for them to ever gain equality or normal rights.

      I think the closest thing to justice is to force Isr back into its original UN Res 181 borders and then for the world to wash its hands of any protection or aid to it. Let it survive on its own or not.

  • Americans oppose Netanyahu invite 2-to-1, but Dershowitz is all for it
    • I am not seeing a huge difference in Americans preference for not taking sides. In 2008 it was 71% and probably even more accurate than cnn.
      Only thing I see changed is Egypt gov under Sisi, if not population ,has moved closer to israel---we know why---and India under Modi has moved closer to israel---also we know why.

      International Poll: Most Publics--including Americans--Oppose Taking Sides in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

      A new poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India).

      No country favors taking Israel's side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

      Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel's side.

      In eight of the countries this was a large majority--seven in 10 or more--including Mexicans (88%), South Koreans (82%), Britons (79%), the French (79%), Peruvians (76%), the Chinese (74%), Americans (71%), and Ukrainians (69%).

      Only in a few predominantly Muslim countries do most favor taking the side of the Palestinians. Robust majorities take this position in Egypt (86%) and Iran (63%), as does a modest plurality in Turkey (42% Palestinians' side, 38% neither side). However two other predominantly Muslim countries primarily favor taking neither side--Azerbaijan (54%) and Indonesia (43%).

      In no country does a majority favor taking Israel's side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel's side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians (15%).

    • Virginia Dems Run Away From Vote to Support Israel
      Republicans chide Democrat stunt as 'profile in courage'

      Cracks appearing at state levels for ISRmerica..

  • Boteach and Israeli ambassador say everything from BDS to Abbas places Jews under threat
    • '' My own preferred theory is religious.

      All over Europe, and now also in the Americas, Christian children in their formative years hear the stories of the New Testament. They learn that a Jewish mob was shouting for the blood of Jesus, the gentle and mild preacher, while the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilatus, was desperately trying to save his life.
      The Roman is depicted as a humane, likeable person, while the Jews are seen as a vile, despicable mob.
      This story cannot be true. Roman rulers all over the Empire used to crucify potential troublemakers.
      The behavior of the Jewish authorities in the story does not conform to Jewish law.
      But the New Testament story, written long after the death of Jesus (whose real Hebrew name was Jeshua), was aimed at the Roman audience the Christians were trying to convert, in hot competition with the Jewish missionaries.
      Also, the early Christians were a small, persecuted sect in Jewish Jerusalem, and their grudge lives on to this very day.

      The picture of the evil Jews crying out for the death of Jesus is unconsciously imprinted in the minds of the Christian multitudes and has inspired Jew-hatred in every new generation.

      The results were slaughter, mass-expulsions, inquisition, persecution in every form, pogroms, and finally the Holocaust - ""

      Well that ends any respect for Uri Avnery. While trying to say the present Jewish resentment in Europe has nothing to do with real anti semitism ---he cant help himself and has to reinforce anti semitism as a disease in which jews are always the scapegoats for the irrational grudges of the collective of christians and poor.
      Also news to me as a kid who had to go to day Episcopal bible school a week in the summer and went to a catholic jesuit school that I was schooled to hate evil jews as christ killers...I remember much more about Pilate being the evil guy than jews. That might apply to some fringe religious retards but not to the vast vast majority of people.
      A long time ago when I first started hearing this stuff I went to the jewishvirituallibrary and picked some persecutions of the Jews from their long list of persecutions and started investigating some to see exactly what was going on in these. I dont remember the numbers of which turned out to be accurate --meaning the jews and jews alone were specificaly targeted in these events---but I found too many that were not accurate---meaning that on many occasions when jews were killed it was part of and they were part of a larger conflict in which they ended up in a battle or on the losing side and were killed along with many non jews by the victors of the conflict. Some were religious or labeled religious but under it all was usually the same old thing, a war for power and resources.

      No one is going to deny that jews were specifically targeted in the Inquisition and holocaust as jews or in some other instances---but this myth that they 'always' were and that the 'only' cause of it was irrational sick christians and poor people is ridiculous .

      Its not real history...and if the Avnery's are so ignorant of real history or so dishonest they cant admit that often the anti semitism of the past also arose out of just the kind of jews vr others conflicts and even wider conflicts that many groups chose up sides for as we are seeing now--well then they are hopeless and no help to the jews long term.
      Their 'denial' about this is exhusting, I dont know why I even waste my energy on it any more.

    • Bornajoo

      '' The example of blowback against the whole of the German people for the crimes of the Nazis is an excellent example'

      Most people have no idea at all how bad the blowback was on all Germans. The US at the time had a zionist Sec of Treasury, Henry Morgenthau Jr. who implemented the Morgenthau Plan for erasing not only Germany but erasing the German 'people'. It is so vile in its pure 'blanket' hate and revenge its hard to read.

      Morgenthau's memorandum[edit]

      Morgenthau "Germany is our problem"
      The original memorandum, written sometime between January and early September 1944, signed by Morgenthau, and headed "Suggested Post-Surrender Program for Germany" is preserved at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum. The text, and a facsimile image, can be viewed online.[21]

      The main provisions can be summarized as follows:

      "1. Demilitarization of Germany.
      It should be the aim of the Allied Forces to accomplish the complete demilitarization of Germany in the shortest possible period of time after surrender. This means completely disarming the German Army and people (including the removal or destruction of all war material), the total destruction of the whole German armament industry, and the removal or destruction of other key industries which are basic to military strength.
      2. Partitioning of Germany.
      (a) Poland should get that part of East Prussia which doesn't go to the USSR and the southern portion of Silesia as indicated on the attached map, (Appendix A).
      (b) France should get the Saar and the adjacent territories bounded by the Rhine and the Moselle rivers.
      (c) As indicated in part 3 an International zone should be created containing the Ruhr and the surrounding industrial areas.
      (d) The remaining portion of Germany should be divided into two autonomous, independent states, (1) a South German state comprising Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden and some smaller areas and (2) a North German state comprising a large part of the old state of Prussia, Saxony, Thuringia and several smaller states.
      There shall be a custom union between the new South German state and Austria, which will be restored to her pre-1938 political borders.
      3. The Ruhr Area.
      (The Ruhr, surrounding industrial areas, as shown on the attached map, including the Rhineland, the Kiel Canal, and all German territory north of the Kiel Canal.)
      Here lies the heart of German industrial power, the cauldron of wars. This area should not only be stripped of all presently existing industries but so weakened and controlled that it can not in the foreseeable future become an industrial area. The following steps will accomplish this:
      (a) Within a short period, if possible not longer than 6 months after the cessation of hostilities, all industrial plants and equipment not destroyed by military action shall either be completely dismantled and removed from the area or completely destroyed. All equipment shall be removed from the mines and the mines shall be thoroughly wrecked.
      It is anticipated that the stripping of this area would be accomplished in three stages:
      (i) The military forces immediately upon entry into the area shall destroy all plants and equipment which cannot be removed.
      (ii) Removal of plants and equipment by members of the United Nations as restitution and reparation (Paragraph 4).
      (iii) All plants and equipment not removed within a stated period of time, say 6 months, will be completely destroyed or reduced to scrap and allocated to the United Nations.
      (b) All people within the area should be made to understand that this area will not again be allowed to become an industrial area. Accordingly, all people and their families within the area having special skills or technical training should be encouraged to migrate permanently from the area and should be as widely dispersed as possible.
      (c) The area should be made an international zone to be governed by an international security organization to be established by the United Nations. In governing the area the international organization should be guided by policies designed to further the above stated objectives.
      4. Restitution and Reparation.
      Reparations, in the form of recurrent payments and deliveries, should not be demanded. Restitution and reparation shall be effected by the transfer of existing German resources and territories, e.g.
      (a) by restitution of property looted by the Germans in territories occupied by them;
      (b) by transfer of German territory and German private rights in industrial property situated in such territory to invaded countries and the international organization under the program of partition;
      (c) by the removal and distribution among devastated countries of industrial plants and equipment situated within the International Zone and the North and South German states delimited in the section on partition;
      (d) by forced German labor outside Germany; and
      (e) by confiscation of all German assets of any character whatsoever outside of Germany."
      5. Education and Propoganda. (a) All schools and universities will be closed until an Allied Commission of Education has formulated an effective reorginization program. It is contemplated that it may require a considerable periodof time before any institutions of higher education are reopened. Mean-while the education of German students in foreign universities willnot be prohibited. Elementary schools will be reopened as quickly asappropriate teachers and textbooks are available. (b) All German radio stations and newspapers, magazines, weeklies,etc. shall be discontinued until adequate controls are established and an appropriate program formulated

      6. Political Decentralization. The military administration in Germany in the initial period shouldbe carried out with a view toward the eventual partitioning of Germanyinto three states. To facilitate partitioning and to assure itspermanence the military authorities should be guided by the followingprinciples: (a) Dismiss all policy-making officials of the Reich governmentand deal primarily with local governments. (b) Encourage the reestablishment of state governments in each of the states (Lander) corresponding to 18 states into which Germanyis presently divided and in addition make the Prussian provinces seperate states. (c) Upon the partition of Germany, the various state governments should be encouraged to organize a federal government for each of thenewly partitioned areas. Such new governments should be in the form of a confederation of states, with emphasis on states' rights and a large degree of local automony.

      7. Responsibility of Military for Local German Economy. The sole purpose of the military in control of the German economyshall be to facilitate military operations and military occupation. The Allied Military Government shall not assume responsibility for such economis problems as price controls, rationing, unemployment, production, reconstruction, distribution, consumption, housing, or transportation, or take any measures designed to maintain or strengthen operations. The responsibility for sustaining the German economy and people rests with the German people with such facilities as may be available under the circumstances.

      8. Controls over Development of German Economy. During a period of at least twenty years after surrender adequate controls, including controls over foreign trade and tight restrictions on capital imports, shall be maintained by teh United Nations designed to prevent in the newly-established states the establishment or expan- sion of key industries basic to the German military potential and tocontrol other key industries.

      9. Punishment of War Crimes and Treatment of Special Groups. There is attached (Appendix B) a program for the punishment ofcertain war crimes and for the treatment of Nazi orginizations and other special groups.

      10. Wearing of Insignia and Uniforms. (a) No person in German (except members of the United Nations andneutral countries) shall be permitted to wear any military insignia of rank or branch of service, service ribbons or military medals.
      (b) No such persons shall be permitted to wear, after 6 months from the cessation of hostilities any military uniform or any uniformof any quasi military orginizations.

      11. Prohibition on Parades. No military parades shall be permitted anywhere in German and all military bands shall be disbaded.

      12. Aircraft. All aircraft (including gliders), whether military or commercial, will be confiscated for later disposition. No German shall be permittedto operate or to help operate such aircraft, including those owned by foreign interests.

      13. United States Responsibility. (a) The responsibility of for the execution of the post-surrenderprogram for Germany set forth in this memorandum is the joint responsibilityof the United Nations. The execution of the joint policy agreedupon shall therefore eventually be entrusted to the internationalbody which emerges from United Nations discussions. Consideration of the specific measures to be taken in carrying out the joint program suggests the desireability of seperating the taskto be performed during the initial period of military occupation fromthose which will require a much longer period of execution. While theU.S., U.K., and U.S.S.R. will, for practical reasons, play the major role(of course aided by the miltary forces of the United Nations) in demilitarizing Germany (point 1) the detailed execution of other parts of the program can best be handled by Germany's continental neighbors. (b) When Germany has been completely demilitarized there would be the following distribution of duties in carrying out the Germanprogram: (i) The U.S. would have military and civilian representation on whatever international commission or commissions may be establishedfor the execution of the whole German program and such representatives should have adequate U.S. staffs. (ii) The primary responsibility for the policing of Germanyand for Civil administration in Germany would be assumed by the military forces of Germany's continental neighbors. Specifically, these should include Russian, French, Polish, Cech, Greek, Yugoslav, Norwegian,Dutch and Belgian soldiers. (c) Under this program United States troops could be withdrawn within a relatively short time. Actual withdrawl of United States troops should not precede agreement with the U.S.S.R. and the U.K.on the principles set forth in this memorandum.

      14. Appointment of an American High Commissioner An American High Commissioner for Germany should be appointed as soon as possible, so that he can sit in on the development of the American views on this problem.>>>>

      Morgenthau’s plan went even further when he sent what the commanders of the US occupation forces called ‘the Morgenthau boys’ to enforce his plan and oversee the US occupation of Germany. Morgenthau had set out the exact amount of calories a German was allowed per day in food. It was forbidden for any US forces or members to ‘share food’ , even ‘left over food’ had to be thrown out rather than given to any Germans. I have forgotten the exact figures regarding the deaths due to this enforced starvation among Germans during this time but it was so abominable it was part of the reason congress, besides being convinced of the need for an industrial Germany for the economy of Europe, finally caught on to what Morgenthau was doing and Gen Marshall was brought in with the Marshall plan.

      The zionist and Israel better pray the world‘s ‘revenge gene’ isn’t as strong as theirs.

      Even prior to the war there were collective punishments (sanctions)of Germans by several US congressional zionist---cne of the most glaring was when a jewish senator killed a shipment of milk for children from the US to Germany in the 1930's when Germans were also starving due to the recession---his reason was Germany wasnt treating the jews right---as if denying German children milk was going to change the attitude toward the jews. It only made it worse because it was reported in the news naturally and Germans knew who was denying their children life saving milk.
      Stupid, vengeful and self defeating--the zionist.

    • @ kris


      Imagine Israel was a 'person' instead of a state.
      What would we do with a 'individual' who has committed all the acts/crimes Israel has?
      A person acting like Israel would have been locked up in a prison or mental ward long ago.

    • '' When innocent Jews are murdered just because they’re Jews, when Jewish institutions are attacked – that’s Anti-Semitism . By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. I think that Anti-Zionists who are not Anti-Semites -like many of those who comment on this blog- have a special responsibility to condemn and take action against the rise of Anti-Semitism, instead of denying that it’s happening. - -----JonS

      When innocent jews are attacked it is because they are symbols of /associated with the Jewish State evilness. Its basically a 'kick the dog' acting out of anger and frustration with something or someone because they cant literally kick the real cause of their anger so they kick a jew.
      I dont agree that we have a special responsibility to take action against anti semitism because 'real' anti semitism is actually miniscule in the world and you are already protected from it --overly protected from it to the extent that you 'use' it to excuse and enable Israel and its supporters.
      This is not 'real' anti semitism, meaning a hatred of jews regardless of what they do or dont do or just being jews-- it is blowback.
      Blowback can lead to blanket hatred. The entire German population was blamed and punished for Hitler --- misplaced and human failing this tendency may be, but that is how the cookie crumbles most often for aggressor nations and its people.

      Its your responsibility to end the 'cause of this blowback.

    • '' The only people who can stop the transformation of anti-Israelism into anti-Semitism gathering momentum are the Jews themselves, with those who are citizens of the European nations and America taking the lead. How could they do it? Short answer – by declaring that Israel does not speak for or represent them and that they condemn its defiance of international law and denial of justice for the Palestinians. - ""

      They will have to do more than that--they will have to * actively go against Israel and the I-fifth column.
      But I dont think you are going to get *enough of them to do that.
      The problem is that jews collectively enjoy many special benefits that have been secured for them by the Zionist leadership----they are not willingly going to give those benefits up---it goes against most people's human nature to give up privilages or protections they enjoy----without sufficient reason, like a downside to continuing them.
      So far there has been no downside to Isr and jewish entitlement.
      When there is they might break with their zionist leadership and turn hard enough against jewish support of Isr.

      The other problem is how do you turn or *activate enough of them to be any kind of force? Without some downside I dont see the majority Jews getting involved against Israel. All the action on Israel will stay zionist and liberal zionist with a smattering of anti zionist.
      I dont see it coming from within and I dont see it coming from outsiders criticisms cause they arent going to listen to outsiders anyway.
      It has to be political imo and come from changing politicians on Isr....creating a huge *downside for them in supporting Isr.
      And means how to get politicians away from the I-First lobby money and intimitation.
      If not done, then what Hart says about a gaint awakening of anti semitism could definitely be precipated as Isr moves on to even more insane acts and demands.

    • Bornajoo says...

      'It’s not anti semitism, it’s blowback, misguided, but blowback all the same - ''

      Thats exactly what it is.
      Protest Isr stealing and killing and they cry anti semitism ---which just angers people more.
      They think the anti semitism accusation will forever prevent Isr from being called to account.
      Its not going to work forever.

  • Closed-door debate on divestment by U of Toledo student gov't to include officials from Jewish Federation
    • '' Denying that right means opposing the consensus of the Jewish community. - -----hoppie

      So what?
      People can oppose the consensus of any community on anything if they think its wrong.

      I suggest you check your jewish or zionist privilage before you end up wearing it around your neck.

  • James Baker to speak at J Street conference
    • This is curious.
      Baker has alway been a straight talker on Israel and his FP positions have tended to be 'exclusively 'USA so this seems odd match as a speaker.
      Be interested in what he says to J-Steeet.
      Could be its political---maybe he is going to be rep'ing the GOP to the Jewish/Israel groups.

  • US and Israel divorce rumors over Iran
    • Cracks appearing.
      While not yet huge, 20 Dems walking out on a resolution for support of Israel in Virginia congress is significant.
      Legistators at the state level always have more of an ear to the ground than legistators in DC.

      ''Virginia Dems Run Away From Vote to Support Israel
      Republicans chide Democrat stunt as 'profile in courage'

    • ''Adelson is also doing well: Netanyahu on his mantelpiece is a '' ......piotr

      Not doing so well. China is cracking down casinos, including Adelson.... too many high rollers and suspected money laundering.
      China does not dick around when it comes to crimes that effect their 'state'.
      Netanyhau tried to intercede and ask some favortism be shown for Adelson.....didnt work.

      MACAU, China: China's corruption crackdown takes toll on ...

      McClatchy Washington Bureau

      Dec 5, 2014 - China's corruption crackdown takes toll on Macau's U.S.-owned casinos ... other mega-casinos in Macau, a special administrative region of China, ... including Sheldon Adelson, the CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corp., which ....

    • Wonder who the 33% are?

      I am guessing its zionist followers, neo followers, and the fanatic religious retards .
      No one I have talked to is in favor of any US action on Iran or anywhere else....all fed up in general with the ME and the trillions and americans wasted on it.
      No one is in favor of netanyahu speech either, even though Obama is not real popular with them.

    • Anyone still think Israel was a good idea?
      It was crazy then and its crazy now.
      If Jews want to live in Palestine Israel has to be de commissioned as a Jewish ruled state.

  • Israeli court's rejection of Corrie family appeal is not fit for print in our leading papers
    • How fucking ironic....? is that the word for it?

      The US courts are filled to bursting with lawsuits in behalf of Jews---where the US government is acting as lawyers for US Jews suing Saudi, China, France, Iran, Palestine.....for reparations, terrorist financing acts,etc.--you name it, they've sued for it using the US courts.

      And yet the US does nothing for Americans killed by Israelis.

      I can only imagine how the Corries feel about being ignored and abandoned by the US.....which they have been in spades.
      The victims of Israel-US should form a club with the USS Liberty suriviors.
      Had enough of it yet America?

  • Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack
    • No sooner than I had asked if Isr also planned on a Jewish body snatch in the US than this appears:

      ''Liberman tells US Jewish leaders: It’s time for massive aliya
      Speaking before the group last year, Liberman said Jerusalem’s goal must be to bring 3.5 million Jews from the Diaspora on aliya in the next decade to boost the Jewish population in Israel to more than 10 million''

      Their problem is there are only 1.6 million jews in europe so the other 2 mil would have to come from the US.
      I have the feeling there are going to lots of staged anti semite acts and vandalizing of jewish property very soon now.

      The ADL will be in a pickle when that happens-----if they screech and hype they might scare jews into leaving and then where will their US operation be----if they dont screech and hype any anti semitism they will be on Isr's shit list of bad jews.

    • Here it is....

      Netanyahu leaking US info on US Iran talks even after directly asked by Obama not to reveal specifics of on going talks.

      Keep defying the US Netanyahu...ride faster and faster to the Zionist Appointment in Samarra.
      We couldnt have a better tool for separating the US from Israel than Netanyahu.
      Since the next president wont be black Israel will lose an edge in using the racist wing of the GOP against the WH ---he'll be left with only the neos for back up.
      Then the pretense that Isr vr the US is only about Netanyahu vr Obama will bite the dust and it will be the US vr Israel....and war for Israel vr no war for the US.
      The fog is gonna lift.

    • Whats your point Herb?

      I'll be glad to tell you mine:

      Humane Society
      Doctors without Borders
      Duke Univ Hospital Patients Fund
      Council for the National Interest
      Local Fire Department far this year.

      No blood donations

      Animal Rescue and Sanctuary volunteer

      Do you want to know if I have given to any Palestine charity? Yes I did several years ago, one for replacing trees destroyed by Israel and one for books for Palestine children.

      Now you tell me yours......and then we will profile each other.

    • Does anyone have anything on Netanyahu calling for US Jews to flee to Israel?
      I remember the campaign and survey Isr did last year trying to get US Jews to declare their loyalty to Israel but havent seen a direct call for them to move to Israel.

    • Wolf! Wolf! Wolf! Jews run.

      Come to Israel!.. says Netanyahu ...while claiming Iran and Isr's many enemies are going to holocaust them any day now.

      Its comical.

  • Are supporters of Palestinians using the power of shame to its potential?
    • My first theory was to appeal to their sense of fairness
      My second was to shame them
      Neither has worked so far
      So now I go for stigmatizing and political threats
      I dont care whose feelings are hurt, hurt feelings dont kill you.

  • 700 UK artists pledging not to go to Israel include Soueif, Ali, Waters, Eno, Leigh, Churchill
    • '' If it doesn’t change in the US then no chance of change here either.

      US is ground zero ....if a war or sufficient unrest is needed for change its needed right down here in River City .
      Might sound strange to advocate such but reality is reality.....the US government and several elements of the US need a giant purge.

  • No one's talking about peace in Israeli election, U.S. liberal Zionists are warned
  • The left needs to stop hounding Elizabeth Warren on Palestine, says Warren supporter
    • DoubleStandard February 14, 2015, 2:12 pm

      My point is that the issue of I/P is not salient enough or relevant enough to Americans’ lives for it to be a real factor in elections - >>>>

      It will be.
      Just let the fifth column and israel keep on doing what they're doing.
      And they will keep on.

    • The groups pushing Warren to run.
      They are trying to hand pick another Obama. Only difference in them and the Chicago crowd that put Obama in is they dont have uber zionist money and are Israel 'lite' zionist.

      Largest one is :

      Anna Galland is the executive director of Civic Action Ilya Sheyman is the executive director of Political Action.

      LLya Sheyman
      Sheyman first arrived in Illinois with his family over two decades ago as a Jewish refugee from the former Soviet Union.[3] Sheyman graduated from McGill University with a joint degree in Political Science and United States History.[3]

      Sheyman’s website articulates his position on Israel in great detail. The only issue on his “issues” page that features a link to a separate PDF statement is the section on Israel.
      In the three-page document, titled “Standing Up for Israel,” Sheyman calls for an active U.S. involvement in brokering peace — language that suggests a familiarity with the stances of dovish Israel groups — while insisting that a “final status agreement must come from direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority,” mirroring Israel’s insistence that Palestinians return to the negotiating table

      These Chicagoans Are Pushing Elizabeth Warren to Run for President

      Ilya Sheyman, a former candidate for Congress
      Erica Sagrans and Christopher Hass, both veterans of the Obama campaign.

      They also operate under 'Run Warren Run! 'and Democracy for America.
      Sagrans also worked for Peliso and Hass also got a job on the hill afterward.

    • You forgot Kennedy.

    • What is it with these people who presume to tell us what not to do?
      They all sound like Slater and the 'liberal zionist, --dont push the dems or else, dont be strident or else....

      Go back to Israel Lenchner.

  • Warren supporters can't talk about Palestine
    • Kay24 February 13, 2015, 12:04 am

      Let’s face it, no candidate can ever hope to win elections, especially
      Presidential elections, in the US, unless they kiss zio butt, ->>>>>

      We dont that because no one has tried it.
      I am betting someone could.
      'America First'.......would do it.

    • Ellen February 13, 2015, 7:46 am

      I am afraid you are right. Is there someone else? ->>>>>>

      Jim Webb.

    • I dont think Warren is capable of handling or sees the ENTIRE BIG PICTURE.
      Find someone else.

  • Netanyahu's disaster: speech cost 'omnipotent' lobby a veto proof majority for Iran sanctions
    • I want the 99% declared a majority group.

      Full Definition of DEMOCRACY:

      a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority

      b : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges


      * Minoritarianism which is a neologism for a political structure or process in which a minority segment of a population has a certain degree of primacy in that entity's decision making.

      Tyranny of the Minority: The Subconstituency Politics Theory of Representation– January 18, 2010

      Our current tyranny of minorities style government will end .......,the pendulum always swings. And I have absolutely no doubt I-Firstdom and the Elite minority will make it swing.

    • Yarmuth says....

      ''As a Jewish member of Congress, and as someone who proudly supports the State of Israel, I am saddened by the breakdown of the traditionally bipartisan cooperation on issues affecting that nation,''


      ''Congress has a broader responsibility than the security interests of Israel.''

      Yarmuth cant have it both ways.
      No country should support an outlaw criminal state.
      Israel's 'entitlement' to support just because it is jewish must end.
      Jewish entitlement must end.
      The Holocaust Industry must end.
      Otherwise this huge 'abnormality' surrounding the Jews will end in further disaster.
      Cutting off all support for it is the only way to force it to 'normality.'

  • AIPAC behind new US/EU trade legislation designed to thwart BDS
    • opps......someone is telling the (whole) truth!.......More, more.

      “It’s not just about disrespect for the president, it’s disrespect for the American people and our system of government for a foreign leader to insert himself into a issue that our policymakers are grappling with,” said Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.).

      “It’s not simply about President Obama being a black man disrespected by a foreign leader. It’s deeper than that.”

      Read more:

    • Part of the text of the original working draft for TTIP was available at wilki leaks but for some reason I cant open the site now.

      But from wiki you can get some idea of the objecitons to it.

      In 2013, Joseph Stiglitz, a Keynesian economist, warned that the TPP presented "grave risks" and "serves the interests of the wealthiest."[14][104] Organized labour in the US argued that the trade deal would largely benefit corporations at the expense of workers in the manufacturing and service industries.[105] The Economic Policy Institute and the Center for Economic and Policy Research argued that the TPP could result in further job losses and declining wages.[106][107]
      In December 2013, 151 House Democrats signed a letter written by Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) and George Miller (D-CA), which opposed the fast track trade promotion authority for the TPP. Several House Republicans opposed the measure on the grounds that it empowered the executive branch. In January 2014, House Democrats refused to put forward a co-sponsor for the legislation, hampering the bill's prospects for passage.[108]
      In 2014, Noam Chomsky warned that the TPP is "designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximize profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity."[109] Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who opposes fast track, stated that trade agreements like the TPP "have ended up devastating working families and enriching large corporations."[110] Economist Paul Krugman reported, "... I'll be undismayed and even a bit relieved if the T.P.P. just fades away," and said that "... there isn't a compelling case for this deal, from either a global or a national point of view." Krugman also noted the absence of "anything like a political consensus in favor, abroad or at home."[111] Economist Robert Reich contends that the TPP is a "Trojan horse in a global race to the bottom, giving big corporations and Wall Street banks a way to eliminate any and all laws and regulations that get in the way of their profits."[112][113]
      In a letter to Michael Froman, a US Trade Representative, Senator Bernard Sanders wrote:
      It is incomprehensible to me that the leaders of major corporate interests who stand to gain enormous financial benefits from this agreement are actively involved in the writing of the TPP while, at the same time, the elected officials of this country, representing the American people, have little or no knowledge as to what is in it.[114]
      Ilana Solomon, Sierra Club's director of responsible trade, argued that the TPP "could directly threaten our climate and our environment [including] new rights that would be given to corporations, and new constraints on the fossil fuel industry all have a huge impact on our climate, water, and land."[115] Upon the publication of a complete draft of the Environment Chapter and the corresponding Chairs' Report by Wikileaks in January 2014, the Natural Resources Defense Council and the World Wide Fund for Nature joined with the Sierra Club in criticising the TPP. Julian Assange described the Environment Chapter as "a toothless public relations exercise with no enforcement mechanism."[116]

      And its even worse than it sounds because it gives *financial and *investment control *within countries to outside *global investors and investment organs. Its the EU economic union control of its member countries on steriods.

      This is the 'new world order' many of us thought was just a crazy conspiracy.

    • One of the actually accurate comments on Netanyahu and congress.......

      "Congress has got to figure out what country it's representing, what citizens it's representing, who their real loyalties should be toward. A foreign government is NOT it. Multi-national corporations are NOT it. Lobbyists are NOT it. Too many in congress have essentially become tools of foreigners and nationless business entities. Why is everyone so afraid of calling this what it is? This is not a "breach in protocol". This is a gross, blatant and horrendous interference in our affairs by a foreign government and its implants in our Congress via campaign contributions. They should all be rounded up and impeached for their treasonous acts. Read the constitution, folks. What that gutless Boehner and his buddies are doing is a clear case of treason. This has not been done since the war of 1812 when the loyalists sided with the British empire."

      The msm nattering heads and all others involved in this are trying to pretend this is about Nettie and Obama or the GOP and Dems.
      None of Dems will touch 'subversion or treason or disloyalty to the US' with a 10 ft pole.--they mew it as disrespectful to Obama.
      While the I-Firsters accuse evryone of being "Anti America" if they dont put israel first.
      That is how far gone congress and even Obama and the Us media are.

      ''In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.''-- George Orwell

    • Everyone should read the pdf link.


  • Three Muslim-Americans murdered in North Carolina by gunman (Updated)
    • I think mentioned some years ago running into a para military group/club out in the country around here----except they were bible and religious fanatics--and gun and anti government fanatics and racist.
      They had a trailer out in the country loaded down with TVs and computers and feeds running to monitor news with--looked like something out of movie depiction of a FBI spying van.
      The guy I approached there was crazy as fucking loon and lit into some bible and anti government rant demanding to know what side I was on and was I some gov spy --so I took my leave as soon as I could back out without getting shot or enraging him more.
      Some months later I was on the same country road and saw a dozen or more pick up trucks with rifle racks parked at the trailer property for a meeting evidently.
      There are some bat shit crazy people out there and everything the usual suspects and the media is doing is making them even crazier.

    • The main stream media baers a geat deal responsibility for all the hatreds in this country.
      Look at what they do------99% of the 'talkers' they feature are people who 'talk against' one group or another.
      Atheist like Dawkins who advocate against religion, atheist like Maher who advocate against religion and Muslims in particular----
      Religious fanatics like Huckabee who demonize non christians and also Mulsim in general.
      Zios who demonize Arabs and Muslims.
      Everything about the msm is a hate fest show for the 'fringes' of the US.

  • 'She dedicated the whole of her young life to helping those in need of freedom, justice and peace': American hostage killed in Syria remembered for work in Palestine
  • A cosmopolitan's regrets: Roger Cohen on the Jewish condition
  • Muslims are Nazis, 'USA Today' jokes
    • '' Your analogy is beyond ridiculous. How does a few Jewish criminals and a tiny extremist organization of a few hundred people from three generations ago equate to - ...".....hoppie

      You are more than a few jewish criminals and your extremist organiz ation isnt tiny and it still exist today as we see.

      I find using the nazi analogy to be very effective when talking to people who arent completely educated on Israel.
      Thanks to all the Hollywood movies everyone knows what the nazis were about so its not hard for them to grasp the similarities in what nazis did and what Israel does. ....chosen race, domination, persecution, conquering land, etc..

      As long as the Holocaust Industry uses the nazis to excuse israel I will keep using the nazis analogy to expose their hypocriscy.
      No one likes hypocrites ether.

      Calling ISIS type Islam nazis doesnt make Israel not nazis......all who act like nazis can be called nazis..

  • Speech to AIPAC could give Netanyahu his out
    • Another way to get some of the elite zionist....Strauss-Kahn, who as head of the IMF said he went to work every day thinking how he could help Israel, got nailed this time--for good...he's finished in the influence circle.

      Dominique Strauss-Kahn To Testify About Hooker Sex Parties
      Ex-IMF Chief Faces Procurement Charges

      Read more:

    • If you checked all the names I think you'd find a lot of well know US Zionist uber rich on it.
      More than one way to skin a cat---go after their money.
      I have also long thought the tax free donations to Israel are at least in part a money laundering and tax dodging operation.

      Leaked files implicate over 6,000 Israelis in massive bank scandal
      Some $10 billion held in Israeli-linked accounts at Swiss branch of HSBC bank, including Edmond Safra and Yoshiyahu Pinto

      By Times of Israel staff and AFP February 9, 2015, 3:22 pm 0

      Banking giant HSBC faced damaging claims Monday that its Swiss division helped wealthy customers dodge millions of dollars in taxes after a “SwissLeaks” cache of secret files emerged online. Among their clients are over 6,200 Israelis, with holdings totaling some $10 billion.

      The documents published over the weekend claim the bank helped clients in more than 200 countries evade taxes on accounts containing $119 billion.
      The huge cache of files, which were stolen by an IT worker in 2007 and passed to French authorities, has sparked criminal probes in several countries and attempts to claw back the cash.
      Israel was ranked sixth on the list of countries with the most money in the hidden Swiss accounts, with an estimated $10 billion overall.
      The funds were distributed among over six thousands clients and 9,769 accounts.
      One Israeli client alone had $1.5 billion in his account. The documents noted that while over six thousand people were associated with Israel, only half of them are Israeli citizens.
      Brazil-born banker Edmond J. Safra was listed as holding a Swiss account with up to $5.3 million, and Israeli-Canadian oil trader Jonathan Kollek was linked to accounts holding as much as $72 million.

      Diamond dealer Beny Steinmetz, celebrity rabbi Yoshiyahu Pinto -- who is embroiled in an ongoing graft case – and businessman Zadik Bino were also named as account holders.
      The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) obtained the files via French newspaper Le Monde, and shared them with the BBC and The Guardian newspaper in Britain, US TV program “60 Minutes” and more than 45 other media organizations worldwide.
      The documents showed that HSBC provided accounts to international criminals, businessmen, politicians and celebrities, according to the ICIJ.
      The revelations are likely to stoke calls for a crackdown on sophisticated tax avoidance by the wealthy and by multinational companies, a key political issue across Europe.
      Tax avoidance is legal, but tax evasion is not.
      “HSBC profited from doing business with arms dealers who channeled mortar bombs to child soldiers in Africa, bag men for Third World dictators, traffickers in blood diamonds and other international outlaws,” ICIJ reported.
      A range of former and current politicians from Russia, India and a range of African countries, as well as Saudi, Bahraini, Jordanian and Moroccan royalty, and the late Australian press magnate Kerry Packer were named in the files.
      Following the bombshell disclosure, there were calls for a Swiss probe against the bank, which is already facing prosecution in France and Belgium.
      “I am angry,” former Swiss foreign minister Micheline Calmy-Rey told public broadcaster RTS, claiming the scandal had seriously damaged Switzerland’s reputation.
      HSBC shares were up 1.24 percent to 621.00 pence in late morning trade in London.
      Switzerland has to date only launched an investigation against HSBC employee-turned-whistleblower Herve Falciani who stole the files at the heart of the scandal.
      The files were used by the French government to track down tax evaders and shared with other states in 2010, leading to a series of prosecutions.
      HSBC’s Swiss banking arm insisted it has since undergone a “radical transformation.”
      “HSBC’s Swiss Private Bank began a radical transformation in 2008 to prevent its services from being used to evade taxes or launder money,” Franco Morra, the head of HSBC’s Swiss unit, told AFP in an email.
      He said the bank had closed “the accounts of clients who did not meet our high standards and ensuring we have strong compliance controls in place.”
      “We have no appetite for business with clients or potential clients who do not meet our financial crime compliance standards.
      “These disclosures about historical business practices are a reminder that the old business model of Swiss private banking is no longer acceptable,” he said.
      The Swiss Banking Association said the country’s banks had worked hard in recent years to clean up the shop and ensure conformity with tax laws.
      But it warned that banks “must always respect existing laws… (both) in their own country and the laws in the countries where they operate.”
      If they don’t follow the law “they have to take the consequences,” it said in a statement to AFP.
      Notes in the leaked files indicate HSBC workers were aware of clients’ intentions to keep money hidden from national authorities.
      Of one Danish account holder collecting cash bundles of kroner, an employee wrote: “All contacts through one of her 3 daughters living in London. Account holder living in Denmark, ie critical as it is a criminal act having an account abroad non declared.”
      In another memo, an HSBC manager discusses how a London-based financier codenamed “Painter” and his partner could avoid Italian tax.
      Names in the files include people sanctioned by the United States, including Turkish businessman Selim Alguadis and Gennady Timchenko, an associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin targeted by sanctions over Ukraine.
      Alguadis told the ICIJ it was prudent to keep savings offshore, while a spokesman for Timchenko said he was fully compliant with tax matters.
      Former Egyptian trade minister Rachid Mohamed Rachid, who fled Cairo during the 2011 uprising against former president Hosni Mubarak, is listed as having power of attorney over an account worth $31 million, according to the files.
      Other individuals named include the late Frantz Merceron, an associate of former Haitian president Jean Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier, and Rami Makhlouf, cousin of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
      Also named were designer Diane von Furstenberg, who told the ICIJ the accounts were inherited from her parents, and model Elle Macpherson, whose lawyers told the ICIJ she was fully in compliance with UK tax law.
      Motorcycle racer Valentino Rossi, listed as having $23.9 million in two accounts, said he had regularized his tax situation with Italian authorities.
      Formula One businessman Flavio Briatore is connected to 38 bank accounts that held as much as $73 million from 2006-2007, according to the ICIJ. His lawyer told the ICIJ the accounts were legal and complied with tax laws

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