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Sometimes my imagination gets the best of me. I speculate and generalize too much. I'm only human. My heart is in the right place though. Something is wrong and I want to help make it right. Truth and Knowledge are empowering. J.R.R. Tolkien said it best: "And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth." Want to know the truth? Meditate. If you don't meditate, start meditating and keep at it. Eventually you will understand. Don't worry about the whole 'exploding brain syndrome' and paralysis thing. Don't be afraid, just relax and hear out your primitive side... Your 'guardian angel'... Become one and be 'enlightened.' and then you will understand the truth.

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  • Changes to the Mondoweiss comment policy
    • For those who wish to focus only on current events, the alien set of ideas and hijacking aspect is in the past anyways. Anti-Zionists need to realize that the majority of Jewish people identify with Zionism and the majority (if not all) of non-Jewish people who identify with Zionism do not live in Israel.

      In addition, I suggest everybody re-assess their position and direction. The two-state solution is essentially dead and one state is unofficially already here, especially when most Israelis admit they are willing to accept Apartheid. Israel is the self-proclaimed Jewish state. Many if not most of the world would not deny this, even among some critical of Israeli policies. Most Jews believe Israel is the Jewish state. Those who do not believe this, what do you believe? Do they want to destroy the modern UN nation state of Israel? Because that will certainly scare people away. Distance themselves from the state and its people or from its state policies?

      If the anti-Zionists among the diaspora want to dissociate with the state of Israel, they should realize that nearly half the world's Jewish people live in Israel and mostly aren't going anywhere. They should realize that most Jewish people are always going to be partial to Israel for one reason or another, especially since many have family living there. So again I suggest everybody re-assess their position and direction because right now I really don't see the point.

      The reason I moved along earlier was because of far-left group-think witnessed in some comments. Liberalism is not the same as the far-left. True liberalism is a centric approach aka left-center, center, and right-center. Many among the left and far-left are the Marxist socialist subverter types and I think it's obvious that they along with Zionist agent provocateurs have subverted the anti-Zionist movement. I wouldn't be surprised if real anti-Semites tried to do the same thing but there is an awful lot more socialist types trying to make Zionism into some ideology separate from Jewishness when the two are inseparable even if you choose to keep your head in the sand and refuse to believe it. For those that do, please take off your blinders and see past your confirmation bias to the whole picture.

      It's one thing to lay ground rules and outline a direction. When the rules are subject to case-by-case interpretation, the direction is not clear and the movement is polarized, I know which 'side' I do not want to be on. In the West, the 'left' is more fashionable than the 'right' leading the 'right' to be picked on more than the 'left' and the far-right completely demonized for good reason. Yet the far-left should be equally demonized because they are just as bad. The difference is they are differently bad and the left-biased West accepts it when they should not. Address critics, don't silence them unless they are obviously trolls. That's my opinion anyways.

      In my opinion little of this is helping the I/P problem. Ignoring history when there are loose ends is a recipe for disaster. Ignoring the reality of the situation is not going to change it. Demographically there might now be more Palestinians than Jews from the river to the sea but not by much. Flooding Israel with refugees might seem just but a lot of things have changed since '48. It's not realistic nor desirable. Most were born in refugee camps and many who were in Jordan have been given Jordan citizenship. Some sort of compensation is of course due, but you have to take everything into account. Including the fact that some refugees might not be waiting to 'return' but are just taking advantage of welfare resources. IMO you need to take a centric POV and realize these things no matter how un-politically correct they are. They still are facts and truth. Ignoring them, censoring them, suppressing them… Not going to change the status quo. Smearing people and others they associate with as anti-semites when they are not along with dissociation is not going to make friends nor will it solve any problems.

      I haven't been an activist for very long, just a few years, and in this time I have lost a few friends for irrational reasons. They refuse to speak to me and at this point even though I care, it doesn't matter. Raising perceptions and awareness to the real greater good for this planet and doing things about it… that's what I think is important. Acknowledge facts and truth no matter how uncomfortable it is because the truth does hurt sometimes. Doesn't mean it should be suppressed. In my honest opinion, I see several here who are unwilling to confront relevant historical truths and even resorting to the tactics of the opposition and labeling it antisemitic when it isn't. And if it does manifest as that, maybe that's a response and an irrational one because of reactive (defensive) thinking. We're only human after all. Nobody is perfect. Maybe these people don't think it helps and it scares people away. Maybe they're right in that regard. Can't please everybody though. Keep moving the goal posts and everybody gets scared away. The unwarranted attack on Finkelstein a few months ago already did that to me

  • Finkelstein on 'cults and flunkies'
    • The infighting is a direct result of establishing a group identity to any sort of movement. Natural human social characteristics try to steer the group and eventually standards are set. Disagree with any of the standards and the group starts to hate you. This is when groups become cults and group think is bad. Group think is always bad IMO.

      Individual expression of ideas is healthy and can be debated in a healthy manner. Group of expression of ideas can lead to the odd person out being smeared by the group. I'm seeing that in some of these posts, perceptions have been created and perceptions can have a blinding effect if you aren't aware of the whole picture.

      What if an agent provocateur among the group steers it the wrong way and the group follows? Then anybody who no longer agrees in the direction is smeared. What if something like that happened to BDS? Or has already happened? Doesn't have to be an agent provocateur. Even if a differing of opinions regarding direction. I agree with BDS in principle, but the group has cemented goals that go beyond ending the occupation and one of those goals might be self-defeating.

      Absolute defined language as opposed to neutral language is good for being specific, good when you don't want somebody to manipulate the intent. "return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194" sounds good in principle. It ignores the other half of article 11: "and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."

      This is relevant because the latter is more realistic considering the resolution is 64 years old and was not written from a modern perspective. Make no doubt about it, they should be compensated by the guilty. They should be resettled (or a Palestinian state if that ever happened) and some should be resettled in Israel, but Israel/Palestine cannot hold all of them, not that all of them would come back. It would destroy it demographically for sure, but it would just flat out destroy it.

      Some of us are okay with that, but most people aren't. I don't think you can sell this thing with such a specific absolute point here. I disagreed with Finkelstein before but he's just being honest and I think not only do I understand, I agree with him.

  • Norman Finkelstein's disinformation about BDS
    • I think devolved is the wrong way to look at it. This is a case of one person not seeing eye to eye with a group consensus. He's been spot on with I/P and so much else. I think I sense confirmation bias for others and a lack of thinking objectively. The problem with a group think consensus is not everybody is going to agree with the group all the time because of us being individuals. The very fact that can divide a group. I have no idea how to solve such problems, I just live here dude.

    • I'll always like Finkelstein, even when I disagree with him. Just remember that confirmation bias is a negative thing.

  • The therapist blurts
    • Psychotherapy might help people, but it is another form of mind conditioning or brainwashing. Just like self-help stuff, it's stuff to condition your brain to think/feel a certain way. Again, it might help people overcome problems. When you deconstruct it though, it's treatment through brainwashing. Is that a good thing?

      The "Why not Syria or Saudi Arabia or Iran?" is no different than hasbara. Because hasbara is like psychotherapy. Think about it.

  • Ben-Ami says divestment will alienate Christians from 'American Jewish community'
    • That's a great point. Preemptive war is their language, definitely hasbara. They start with the 'defensive war' line first unless they are engaged with somebody who knows better, then they say preemptive. Either way, thanks Sumud.

    • The land was taken in a preemptive war though. It wasn't defensive. And there are laws in place since the mid 20th century to prevent such things from happening.

      Ben Ami might as well be Dennis Ross. Just another mouthpiece that parrots "Back to the table, KAW, 2 state solution, KAW, Back to the table, KAW"

      I used to work for a person who continued to tell us "This is what you have to do" and we did it and it never worked and he kept saying "This is what you have to do" repeating the same thing. Thankfully they let him go because it wasn't working. Nobody has let the US go (I think that's part of what you said) even though it is painfully obvious by now they need to be let go. As far as J Street is concerned, Ben Ami has shown his true cards as far as I'm concerned.

      So many voices trying to re-define and lead this movement. So much new lipstick on the same old pigs.

  • Coalition partners don't associate with astroturfing 'Iran 180'
    • If you're ever in the neighborhood, I suggest stopping in Dearborn. Dearborn is a college town satellite for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor which is an hour drive away. Yes it does have a large Arabic-speaking population and many of them are Chaldean aka Christian. Not that there is anything wrong with the Muslims, some of them related to their Chaldean cousins and hence the reason why they live there. Dearborn is more modern and civilized than the vast majority of the USA and all of Israel and that's a fact. To disagree is not an opinion. Seriously, Bazzi has absolutely no clue

  • US opposes 'world heritage status' for Jesus's birthplace. Guess why
    • Herod was half Edomite and half Arab

      Palestinians are the indiginous peoples of that particular region. Contrary to popular myth, it was not common for 'invaders' as you deceptively refer to them (because you're using that label to demonize Arabs when in reality the same applies to the Sea Peoples, biblical Hebrews, Romans, etc), to displace entire native populations. Travel was limited in those days and in cases such as Egypt the conquerors were in much smaller numbers compared to the natives they now ruled over. They assimilated and in time you can even say they can even be bred out. Exceptions would be invading hoards looking for a new home land (like the Sea Peoples) because they lost their own or grossly exaggerated myths that are not actual history. Travel was very limited in those days. Palestinians are very much descended from Sea Peoples, Phoenicians, Romans, Hebrews/Jews, Edomites, Arabs, Persians, etc.

      They have more of a right to claim anything done in ancient times than European colonists do. They've got the blood of ancient Jews, Romans, and Arabs running through them so they can lay claim to Jerusalem, Aelia Capitolina, Al Quds, etc. Zionist colonists from Europe cannot.

    • The hasbara gang appears to have consolidated their 'forces' to the likes of yahoo, facebook, msn, cnn, etc. lately. They haven't abandoned their activity commenting in blogs, I'm seeing a lot less of them in the past few months. Maybe it's just me.

  • 'Economist' says Palestinians, denied statehood, increasingly 'question the point of the P.A.'
    • Israel is only capable of addressing non-violent protest violently. The 'non-violent protest will inevitably turn violent, therefore we use violence' excuse. The American media will then spin it in Israel's favor without mentioning such protests starting out non-violently. Unless somehow the Palestinians resisted without defending themselves. That would be hard to spin, yet they would still make an attempt. I don't expect anybody to allow themselves to be slaughtered instead of defending themselves. The media will spin either outcome in Israel's favor and that's a problem, especially in the US. One of these days something will go viral in the US and the media won't be able to stop it.

  • '$1 million prize intended to fight assimilation'
    • Determining the meaning of words..... lawyer's rhetoric. A closed system based on loose alternate interpretations of words. Politicians and junk scientists use it too.

  • Where is Foxman?
    • Ford was referring to Jews in a context that was mostly specific to what he saw as Jewish financers representing international financial interests and the rising threat of communism. He also used the word 'financer' interchangeably at times, not sure he used the word Zionist. He would write on to say that it wasn't the Jews in general as a people and mentioned his Jewish business partners and employees which were treated respectfully. He also condemned pogroms against Jewish people. This was long before political correctness, not trying to sound like an apologist or anything. It was a poor choice of words for sure. I doubt his critics actually read any of the material. I don't think I'm wrong here, but I can see why others are offended. Again, poor choice of words but the criticism is blown out of proportion.

  • Medal of Freedom for Shimon Peres maintains White House blind spot on Israel
    • Medal of freedom? Did they change the definition of freedom? I know these folks like to play off the alternate definition of words in order to truthfully tell a lie, but this is pretty low. Handing out medals? He has a Nobel prize too. So does Obama even though he didn't do anything to get it. Doesn't say much for the Nobel Prize. They gave one of those to Menachem Begin despite his terrorism

  • What was Sheldon Adelson's one question to Romney before giving him $10 million?
    • Keeping big money out of politics is an impossible task, but is it easier to sell to the masses than the fact they've been mislead about Israel and the lobby buys their congressmen?

      It's easy to show how corrupt the financial system is and it's easier to turn the masses against the ruling class. The money of the ruling class is used to influence the minds of the masses on things like I/P. Exposing the unaccountable ruling class and their influence on things like politics, foreign policy, and media, even without bringing up I/P would be much easier than changing established perceptions about I/P. IMO at least. At least that's where my brain has wandered recently. I haven't been following I/P as long as others but in the short time that I have I've met incredible resistance and lost a few friends. Expose where the money goes and where it comes from, get that out of the way, and then tackle I/P and perceptions will change? I don't know where to go anymore to be honest...

  • Finkelstein stands by 'BDS cult' accusation, says it's 'historically criminal' to not support the two state solution
    • I also agree, in pure theory, with Finkelstein. In theory, when it comes to international law, the ball is in Palestine's court as long as they adhere to the two-state solution.

      When it comes to fact, Israel, the West, and even the UN do not seem to care about the Palestinians. No matter how many resolutions are passed or how much time is wasted on debating about it. Nothing ever changes. Nobody seems to care. They could wind up sitting on an international stage or courtroom for all eternity arguing over the cards they've been dealt and what those cards are valued at under international law. The simple fact is that those who have power in that case do not care and side with Israel. Finkelstein needs to stop trying to play their game. For years he seemed to be alone in his message, but that's no longer the case, many are aware of the truth of what has gone on. He is alone in thinking the Palestinians have a chance if they stick to the two-state script. The game is rigged in Israel's favor. Always was

  • 'Do you feel more Arab or more American?': Two women's story of being detained and interrogated at Ben Gurion
  • Because of all my father and mother did to liberate Europe (I go to the West Bank)
    • OlegR, it sure is different all right. It defies all logic and rationality, and I'm talking about the Israelis by the way. When it comes to the Internet variety of Zionist, we see similar reactions to your initial response to this article. It is as if you lack a conscious and empathy, often resorting to deceptive half-truths and rhetorical tricks. Basically the type that pass Dr. Hare's checklist with flying colors (google it).

      There is no sense in being neutral or PC about it any longer either which many have done in order to get others to listen to reason. The fact is that Zionists are in the wrong. Period. And there is no sense in being civil or 'nice' in our interactions. Not for credibility or any reason. You're in the wrong as are all of Israel's cheerleaders. That message is viral now

  • Passive-aggressive George Bush namechecks neocons for getting us into that mess
    • That's their most infamous 'scandal' followed by the espionage scandal from a few years ago. Goes along with their history of being suspected or investigated for spying. They've been politely asked to register as a foreign agent and never have. AIPAC was actually created with their predecessor was no-so-political asked by RFK (who ironically was later assassinated by a Palestinian...). Then there are all these neocon pigs like Perle who have history of spying for Israel but somehow wind up in government positions.

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    • But there was passion in his seventy-four-year-old eyes when he compared Saddam Hussein's brutality to the Nazi genocide. "Mr. President," he said, "you have a moral obligation to act against evil." The force of his conviction affected me deeply. Here was a man who had devoted his life to peace urging me to intervene in Iraq...

      Saddam was a foolishly evil and arrogant dictator. No doubts there. The war crimes he was executed for centered around massacres under his command that led to the deaths of around 200,000 people. Some people dispute this, I'm not sure we will ever know. There was violent dissent and rebellious movements, and I'm sure that regime dealt with it harshly. I wouldn't be surprised if he funded terrorists, I'm sure he did. I'm a little skeptical about funding suicide bombers in Israel. Sounds like wishful thinking by the same folks who tried to link him to 9/11. But who knows, Israel did bomb their nuclear reactor and kill some of their people. Israel had it out for Iraq ever since their involvement with their early "wars" and the scuds in Tel Aviv are IMO what probably sealed his fate.

      Anyways, what I'm trying to say here is that this alone was no reason for war. Neither were all those lies obviously. War happened, Saddam was hanged, and a lot of people died. Mostly Iraqis. The official war casualty list is flawed and unofficially 1.5 million Iraqi civilians have been killed as a result of this war. Now, compare that to what Saddam was held accountable for. Who is the one emulating Nazis here? Who is the bad guy? A war based on lies that is officially considered a success mostly because of the regime change of a murdering Hitler-esque tyrant. So they say. A war that could have very well killed 8x the number of people attributed to said tyrant in 1/3 the amount of time.

      I hope I live to see these crooks put on trial for war crimes. Wolfowitz. Feith. Bush. all of them.

  • 'Foreign Policy' peddles productive Iranian war theory
    • Considering the lobby's recent behavior regarding warmongering foolishness to push more sanctions via the Senate despite the coming talks, I think they are clearly deranged and a leash is not enough. Time to put the old dog to sleep instead (abolish it as a foreign agent for Israel requiring them to pay taxes and making their influence on Congress an act of treason)

  • Israeli judge to issue verdict in Rachel Corrie case
    • In Israel, defense=offense. They are the aggressors in a 64+year-old conflict of their own creation. They are over-militarized considering the 'threat' which they claim to face on a daily basis (which in reality does not even exist unless it's invisible to our senses). Because defense=offense in Israel speak, it just adds to the bulldozer being weaponized. Israeli double standards applied to words meaning the opposite in Israelese. Peace=Perpetual and Preemptive warfare. Any accident or crime committed by Palestinians = terror attack. Moral = immoral. Criticism is mistranslated and misinterpreted to mean provocation and incitement. Arab or Palestinian = terrorist. Critic or 2SS supporter = leftist liberal progressive self-hating Jew. etc.

    • Fredblogs, considering his history of body part harvesting and also considering the fact that everybody lies, I fail to see what point you are trying to prove.

  • Oren's defensive piece on 'sinister' delegitimization movement shows boycott is working
    • So many rhetorical questions.....

      I wish there was an exception to free speech which made rhetorical questions illegal. It would give the manipulators one less trick and also make commission sales a teeny tiny bit more difficult.

  • AIPAC's Iran resolution (What if Congress had told JFK he couldn't 'rely on containment' with Soviets?)
    • All joking aside about Congressional corruption and being bought/paid by the Israeli lobby, with every passing day they are becoming my primary concern. It's not a joke, whatever their job is supposed to be they aren't doing it. Lobbying money put them in front of the masses to vote for out of foolishness. They don't represent the majority of Americans, they represent corporations and Israel. They are no longer needed now that you can fly from LA to DC in the time it used to take in the 18th century to get there from Baltimore. The people need to know they need to go. It's closer to home than the I/P conflict or the influence of the Zionist lobbies. All relative though. The military is the world police and the Congress and the world's law makers. So it seems. They don't care about Americans. How can they sleep at night? To be fair, there is about four or five good guys. The rest are treasonous pigs

  • US military officers taught to target civilians and wage 'total war' on Islam
    • They are complete idiots. Ironically, the Western 'face' of Islam is Salafist Wahhabism. It was a minor extremist cult until the Western powers put the Sauds in control over the Arabian Peninsula and forcing it upon everybody against their will in relatively modern history. Remove the Western puppets and it's completely reversible.

      If they really want to make Islam into a cult, what are they going to do to the other Abrahamic religions? I'm not religious, but I know they are all more similar than different, despite what people thing. They all come from the same source. It would be one thing to influencing the abandonment of dogma, but we have plenty of fundies back home who use dogma to support their warmongering. They need help badly.

      They should solve the I/P issue. Stay out of the affairs of the ME and discontinue their meddling (which means removal of their puppets too). Stop using agent provocateurs to promote sectarian violence and extremism. Everything would be fine.

    • No kidding. I guess I should've figured that out nearly a decade ago when gitmo was caught using "Palestinian Hanging"

      Our military, our police (as Daniel Rich mentions above), our security policy, our security technology, our phone technology and mobile transaction technology. And I don't trust their tech one bit. It's full of back doors, this is a fact. Last year I read about some Pennsylvania county using Israeli 'security' alerts and discontinued it because it said an upcoming gay pride event was a 'terrorism and security risk'

  • Right of Return key goes on tour
    • They might not be binding but they are general guidelines agreed upon by world powers that civilized modern nations are expected to honor, not treat them like a dirty lawyer would arguing over the fine print of a business contract. These are human lives. Why does Israel treat everything from the perspective of a lawyer? Like that article last week or so where somebody made it sound like if a deal is rejected by the Palestinians, the next deal will be worse. This isn't a corporation, although many corporations profit off of the occupation so I would imagine this is reflected in their politics.

      If I convert to Judaism and get a Certificate of Conversion, the Jewish law of return says that despite having no family or friends and not speaking a word of Hebrew, I can 'return' to my 'adopted homeland' and be a citizen. Yet people who were born there, had generations of ancestors living there, still have the deed and key to their long-demolished home after they were forcibly expelled by Israeli brutes, are not allowed to come back? Despite the UN resolutions that Israel ignores because they're corporate psychopaths? What planet does this make sense on? I mean, if that makes sense to everybody, I guess I'm not from this planet.

      The right of return is not going to be easy because of the amount of time that has passed, but it just cannot be ignored. It will never go away. Those who bury their head in the sand and think "those Arab countries they live in should give them citizenship" are going to regret it in the end.

  • ICG: The peace process is a 'collective addiction that serves all manner of needs, reaching an agreement no longer being the main one'
    • I couldn't agree more with the title (quoted from the next-to-last sentence in the third quoted paragraph).

      The Peace Process© has its roots in the Camp David Accords and subsequent agreements. This was supposed to set the ground work for peace in general but the only thing that came out of it was the unpopular Egypt-Israel peace treaty (the latter is where Israel gets its annual $3 billion in US aid) which likely led to Sadat's assassination.

      A decade later, Israel made the revocation of UNGA resolution 3379 (Zionism is racism) a pre-requisite to attending the Madrid Conference that set the framework for the Oslo Accords. As a result of the conference, India, China, Morocco, Tunisia, and a few other nations recognized and established diplomatic relations with Israel (their support nearly doubled). It's worth nothing that both this and the early Camp David Accords occurred under the cooperation of Likudite former terrorist leaders Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir. Then of course after Oslo, Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated, then Bibi had his first term and took advantage of the fine print and made the Jordan Valley a 'security zone' which in his own words stopped the Oslo Accords. His refusal to pullout of the Jordan Valley is proof that he likely still believes this.

      So the Peace Process© and 2SS has been dead for quite some time now you see.

  • Secrecy pact over Israel's nukes, reached by Nixon and Meir, serves policy of 'nuclear coercion' to avoid peace deal
    • Israel almost used those nukes during the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Moshe Dayan was Israel's defense minister at that time. He's been quoted to have said “this is the end of the third temple” which was veiled code for the imminent destruction of Israel. Allegedly the 'temple' aspect was also code for their nukes. In other words, the statement meant 'prepare the nukes' and prepare them they did.

      What disturbs me most of all is that the nukes were not intended for defense. They were intended for a suicide strike. Golda Meir was given a bottle of 'suicide pills' even. These nutters were convinced of their imminent destruction and were ready to die rather than be alive to witness it. This insanity still infects many of the Israelis and their leaders. The first Israel nuclear warhead allegedly has a plaque on it stating "Never Again!" Seriously.

      The story goes that they prepared the warheads on "Jericho" missiles 'in a way that caught the American's attention' whatever that means. Golda Meir pleaded with Kissinger for support. Kissinger told Nixon (in the middle of the night or something like that). It was literal blackmail for traditional weapons so Israel wouldn't use their nukes against Egypt and Syria. Gave them the upper hand.

      Not the first time they had help. In the 40s it was Slovakia (I think) who armed Israel to help 'win' their 'war of independence'. All of their wars were instigated or started preemptively by Israel. 1967 was planned by Ben Gurion in 1948, he said so himself that in 20 years time they would come after that land. Israel gets too much credit and boasts too much of their own intelligence network's effectiveness when the truth is they make shit up and they're lousy. That's why they didn't see the 1973 war coming. Because they didn't start it. And they almost lost, blackmailed the US to 'win'. Pathetic.

    • That's the truth, atime forpeace. He pissed off many people and interest groups. The one common element to all those 'crosshairs' though is the CIA. Even if Israel's intelligence was involved to any degree, it would have been through the CIA. After the Bay of Pigs disaster JFK considered dissolving the CIA. All the fingerprints and puzzle pieces point that way including a relatively recent death bed confession.

    • That Amazon review..... those are the kind of people who scare me. Mentally ill or something. Wonder why he gave it five stars?

    • I wouldn't doubt the rooftop scenario, pabelmont. There is an Israeli company called Magna BSP who manufactures extremely odd stereoscopic security cameras. They're odd because of their unusual size. What's unusual about their size is that they were the exact same shape as a gun-type nuclear fission weapon. When they can put a camera on a phone smaller than a pinky fingernail that's better than consumer digicams from 5 years ago (even stereoscopic ones, like on the nintendo 3ds for example), it seems awfully suspicious that these Magna BSP are so big and have such a hefty footprint.

      What's even more strange is that their website seems fake and has a bunch of dead links. The reason I emphasized were earlier is because the renderings of their 'current product offerings' are much smaller than they were a couple months ago. Specifically, they used to showcase a product called "owl" which looked identical to a gun-type nuclear fission weapon. Here is an overview on the owl:

      Gun-type nuclear fission weapon:

      Apparently this company was founded by a bunch of security 'experts' whose 'expertise' was serving in IDF. Magna BSP's 'about' page is full of lingo that will confuse the average person. It's interesting that their product renderings were altered to be smaller recently. As their about page says, they sold their tech to Japan for their nuclear facilities. Some people began to question this Magna BSP in light of what happened last year, so I wonder if that's one of the reasons for changing the renderings. Seems all sorts of odds. Could be nothing, but it could be something. And that's a scary something that would explain quite a bit regarding unconditional US support for Israel.

  • Operation Glass Houses: IDF agent provocateurs admit to throwing stones at the IDF in Bilin
    • Ironically, this is the sort of thing that hasbarists deny and laugh off, as if the idea of Israel resorting to dangerous tricks like using agent provocateurs or committing false flag attacks is a fantasy. Israel has a history of doing this, they have a history of getting caught doing this. Because they do not officially admit to it (like their nuclear program) apparently for some people that means it didn't happen.

  • Bin Laden docs show that alleged Iran-Al Qaeda alliance is neocon hype
    • What convenient timing for these documents to surface. Just a year after Osama was 'killed' and right after Obama gives a speech about 'Al Qaeda' being pretty much a non-issue. The neocons need their faceless boogeyman in order to continue the 'war on terror' perpetually (and take it to Iran).

      This reveal just insults our intelligence. I have no idea what went on in that raid last year, but the Pakistanis say that the American helicopter exploded on take off and there were corpses on the lawn. And the chopper did explode. Also, sveral of the involved SEAL team six died in a chopper crash a few months afterwards. And that one video they showed of 'Osama' from behind watching 'himself' on TV was all sorts of laughable. I feel sorry for the kool aid drinkers. This is just one story where the fringe media are definitely right.

  • It took decades for South Africa boycott resolutions to gain traction
    • Hmmm.. Good point. I just wonder though how much of the Israeli checkpoint system is psychological determent? A mass crowd could gather and overtake a few of them. Nablus is pretty contained by surrounding checkpoints, but the Ramallah, Hebron, and Bethlehem areas have less. Those ones are more strict. Hebron and Bethlehem have a good shot at it. If Bethlehem was involved in such a thing, it would definitely resonate around the world for obvious reasons. The third Intifada is inevitable at this point, IMHO.

      Of course, such protests, even if non-violent, would be spun by the MSM to make it look like they were taking it out on the innocent Israelis just doing their jobs, maybe quote the old Hamas charter. But even in South Africa the resistance sang "Kill the Boer" and they still sing it.

  • Beinart warns Jews that not talking to Palestinians and anti-Zionists 'makes us stupid'
    • The 'peace process' as a business deal is worth highlighting. That's what the Western powers interpret it as and that's always how the Israeli leaders have treated it. Something is wrong about that and few seem to care. Even the peace agreements, international law, and UN resolutions are interpreted by Israeli leaders as if they were a business contact. Who does that? Maybe it's because Israel is a corporation with so many corporate hands in the Zionist cookie jar. That's all they know

  • Obama working to postpone UN investigation into settlements until after 2012 elections
  • Obama nutmegs Romney with Netanyahu condolence call referencing 'the Jewish people'
    • "remarkable legacy of service to the Jewish people"

      Isn't that lumping Zionists and Israelis together with the rest of the Jews in the world? Obviously Israel wants Israeli and Jewish to be synonymous, but the growing divide is going to continue to grow. Israelis are Israelis. Zionists. Most of them anyways. Benzion didn't have any Jewish service legacy, he was a racist Zionist.

  • Fighting Jews-- then and now
    • Khamenei did not approve of Ahmadinejad's remarks. Khamenei's primary foreign policy provider Velayati even said "the Holocaust was a genocide and a historical reality"

      So no it's not an official Iranian position and comparing it to nukes is an odd choice of analogy. Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran, but he holds no power. He cannot even make military decisions.

    • Same here, marc b. Not just because of the candidates, but because it really is meaningless. 2000 made me realize that the popular vote is a worthless statistic. That people vote for voters and not actual candidates. Since then I'm fairly certain the voting is rigged and there are obvious cases of fraud that nobody ever does anything about. Besides that, the actual candidates presented in front of the voting masses have been pre-selected by the financial class. They make it expensive to run so nobody has a chance, then donate money to the people they approve of. Their media would never give any unapproved (by the financial class) candidates exposure.

      It's a financial oligarchy. A plutocracy. There is no point wasting time. The "You have to vote" folks just don't understand it. I even bought a sheet of "I didn't vote" stickers so I can be a jerk come November.

  • '60 Minutes' profiles Palestinian Christians, Michael Oren falls on his face
    • American Christians are the biggest supporters of Israel. I'm sure that the Copts and the Chaldeans in diaspora care about what goes on in Egypt and Iraq. How much of that is third party and how much of it is real though? Ilan Grapel, third party agent arrested for promoting sectarian violence in Egypt. How many Ilan Grapels are there? Because they were allegedly also in Lebanon doing the same thing with the Maronite community.

      Christians support Israel for different reasons. Losing their support would be a big deal. Trying to divert the attention to other nations with problems does not make your problem go away. Nor does it justify the problem. The whole 'what about these countries with problems: (list)' excuse is just a diversion. Israel has traditionally done some of it's most brutal work while the world's attention was focused elsewhere in addition to extending the status quo.

      64 years of ethnic cleansing and worse while the Western media covered up the crimes and the public mostly had no idea because dissent was silenced. Nearly a century of exclusively Western support including financial, military, and peace 'mediator' (compliments mainly from the USA). Corporate and military strategic interest in the region for a variety of reasons. Israel is a primary reason for instability in the ME. Good luck diverting the masses from hear on out from uncovering the horrible truth.

  • On Iran, Obama's fmr national security adviser uses the new C-word (Contain)
    • "it’s particularly problematic because they traditionally export terror"

      Traditionally? Why do people say such things? Why is Israel and their media friends always saying that Hezbollah and Hamas are "Iranian terror proxies?"

      It's the media and hopelessly biased 'scholars' who have exaggerated their relations. Training, funding, and support does not add up to 'exporting terror'. Most of the world doesn't consider either to be a terrorist organization anyways. Hezbollah is respected in countries that consider them terrorists. They're probably only considered terrorists because Israel cried and told the US/UK/Canada/etc. to and sometime in the future that might change. I also can't find any evidence saying that Iran created Hezbollah, just biased scholars and the typical media crackpots.

  • Dana on Beinart: 'undeterred by unavoidable realities'
    • I'll have to check out the book, sounds interesting from a brief synopsis I read. The WB's economy is Israel's economy and relies on imports from Israel. It has no economy of its own because Israel prevents Palestinians from being economically viable. That's among the many reasons why the status quo is unquestionably Apartheid and Israel is not a democracy at all. And another reason why the 2SS is impossible.

      They ignore international law and UN resolutions. They illegally annexed East Jerusalem and Golan Heights. Their settlements spider web throughout the WB. A lot of them get mad when you say 'occupation'. The only 2SS their leaders desire is a legalized status quo. The Palestinian population areas as Bantustans. When Netanyahu (and Ronald Reagan even) complain about being 10 miles wide, he doesn't intend on giving up much, if any at all. This has been dragged out for decades. So what I'm saying here is regardless of what is internationally designated as the green line, Israel ignores international law anyways so they can't hide under what internationals consider to be Israel proper (and say the lame democracy thing) when their border already extends to the Jordan River. That's the problem

  • In 'Time,' Cantor joins himself at the hip with Netanyahu in defiance of Obama
    • Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

      Eric Cantor = Treasonist

  • Israeli celebrity says she enjoyed video of IDF attacking Danish activist because he looked like a Nazi
  • Jeffrey Goldberg's claim that Iran's Supreme Leader wants to kill Israeli Jews is based on shoddy sources
    • Israeli sociopathic paranoia and manipulative racist leaders (who are also war criminals and terrorists) wants to attack Iran for invented reasons. Shoddy evidence from shoddy sources. The same neocon media hawks who brought us aluminum tubes. US military intelligence along with Israel's own intelligence already agrees there is no evidence Iran's nuclear program will be weaponized. And even if it is, it wouldn't happen for years.

      The information to the contrary is coming from public opinion manipulators. Ben Stein saying that Iran intends to cause another holocaust. Ben Stein himself being best friends with banksters and foreign policy think tanks.

      Let's say that Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facility. Retaliation is plausible. I believe that Israel's hand will be 'forced' into using one of their nukes, probably on Tehran. There is a very good scenario that upwards of 10,000,000 casualties would result from such an attack.

      So Israel, out of paranoia, poorly interprets 'erased from the pages of history' as 'wiped off the map' and takes offense to the little jabs from their powerless president. They poorly assume Iran's nuclear program is for weapons despite evidence to the contrary. They believe that Iran wants to cause a holocaust. So, the build-up to attacking Iran is completely unfounded, not based on reality, and is totally delusional. If carried out, it's plausible that they would murder 10 million people. They would cause a nuclear holocaust to prevent a holocaust threat that only exists in their imagination.

      Now, how would the world respond if taken this far? There is, IMHO, a good chance that millions of people will die for absolutely no reason. That the world just say there and allow it to happen. How are the Iranians going to feel about that? Israel will be the ultimate bad guy. Attacking Iran is a suicide mission. At the very least, $40/gallon gas. And at the very worst, nuclear world war. Why even risk that? Why risk putting Americans in harm's way and causing our economy to plummet further by dragging us into another war? Israel is obviously the only nuclear problem in this world. They are who we should be dealing with, not Iran's imaginary nukes. Israel's real ones they made in secret. That they hid in inspections. That they do not admit to existing.

  • American Jews won't vote on Israel in 2012 election
    • Do Jews consider Kabbalists Jewish? I always thought Kabbalah (the non-Madonna variety) was like Alchemy. The Zohar even says that Manasseh killed Moses. Freud must have read it because he said the same thing.

  • When is someone going to lose his job for calling someone an anti-Semite?
    • The look on the students faces while they were in Poland, and the interview with the one girl about what she was feeling... maybe it's just me but I sensed a conflict of sorts. Disbelief. Confusion. If it exists, it seems to disappear in adulthood.

  • Israel mobilizes special forces to deport 'flytilla' activists
    • Sounds like the JDL is making threats. The JDL are a terrorist organization in the USA. Not in Canada though, they're very active in Toronto. I've read that a disproportionate amount of pro-Israel Hasbara comments originate from Toronto-based IP addresses.

      Here is hoping the activists will be safe, even if they are taken into custody. I wouldn't put anything past the JDL thugs.

  • Wallace interview with Ahmadinejad was little more than deliberate demonization
    • Interesting... Thanks for the link Antidote. I'm not entirely sure I would take his word considering the fact that he was given power by the CIA in 1953 (Operation AJAX). One of the primary reasons for the revolution.

      The world quickly forgets, but prior to 1979, Iran was an ally of the US and Israel. Post-revolution Iran has turned into another dictatorship and many Iranians realize this and resent it. Israel even convinced a post-revolution Iran to initially strike Iraq's nuclear reactor despite them being called the little Satan. And they've always had some behind-the-scenes trading going on, mainly weapons. The truth is stranger than fiction.

      It is interesting that Pahlavi would say that though. He looked nervous. And he cut himself off. Makes me wonder.

  • If you deduct the Israelites, Pharaoh's Egypt was actually a marvelous country
    • The Hyskos theory is one plausible example. Egyptian chronology is all messed up though and the Hyskos may not have been completely expelled. Hyskos were foreign rulers with fair skin and red hair, features associated with the worship of Set/Seth. Ramesses II was not from the same era as the Hyskos, but his mummy shows he was Caucasian and had red hair. In fact, Set/Seth was associated with red hair. After the demonization of Set/Seth, there is evidence that red-haired people were sacrificed in Egypt (there were red-haired sacrificial victims found in mummy for all over the world, including in the Mammoth Caves in the US). The Tocharian mummies of the Tarim Basin near India in China have also been connected with the Egyptian red-headed kings.

      Hyskos were called Shepard kings and brought horses, chariots, and bows. Shepard kings, red-haired, horses/chariots, and bows sounds Indo-Scythian. Which would make sense. Some folks have tried to link Hyskos to the Shasu of YHW. Don't know about that, but the Shasu of YHW have definitely been linked to the Habirus. Religious scholars reject a Hebrew/Habiru connection, but if you take off your blinders you will find more similarities than differences. The Habirus were also known as Sakas. So where the Scythians. Scythian was used by Greeks to refer to anybody in Northern Asia though, so it is a kind of a confusing term since archaeologists often mistake Hun artifacts with Scythian. The Saxons, the Scots, the Scandinavians, etc. are all derived from the word Sakas, and probably all related to them.

      Many Scythians/Sakas areas are named Ibiri/Iberia which isn't much different phonetically than the word Hebrew (Ireland, Georgia, Siberia, Span).

      So I think there is a historical basis for a lot of this mythology, but not all of it is in Egypt. Pharaoh is a foreign word for Egyptian kings and its biblical name was Mizraim. The history of the world is stranger and lesser known than we are led to believe. And I haven't even got into the whole Dan sea-faring people thing. Dan, Daan, Danu, Anu, Tanu, etc. are all related to this too.

  • Finkelstein 'not going to be an Israel-basher anymore' but remains 'appalled and disgusted'
    • Strong majority? There were only a couple of polls that showed a majority percentage supporting the war and they were spins (ex - 67% who watched Bush's speech when only a small percentage of Americans watch these speeches, or pending UN SC authority which technically was never given). The only time a majority of people supported the war was after it first started. The whole patriotism BS when it was all over the news. It went sour after that when they realized it was based on lies and false pretenses.

      Public opinion is easily molded by the media apparatus, and ever then they only fooled half the country and it didn't take long to sober up, aside from warmongers.

      Support for the Iraq war was spearheaded by Neoconservatives and Zionists along with corporations. AIPAC has been saying for years that their hands are clean from the war, but they are not. They already own congress. They can do their dirty work behind the scenes.

      Rosen, Weissman, and Larry Franklin come to mind, and it's Iran related too:

      Jack Abramoff was linked to many neocon congressmen as well as AIPAC. The Plame Affair with Perle and Feith, Perle who had spied decades earlier for Israel. Feith had Israeli generals meet him in secret at the DoD and would also write laughable bullet points to build a case for Iraq. Both were part of PNAC and both contributed to "A Clean Break." Perle resigned 'coincidentally' after the FBI raided AIPAC's headquarters. There is also the Jane Harman and her NYT/AIPAC scandal. I know I read some sort of media-preparation outline for an AIPAC event which talked about making Saddam Hussein a household word.

      We can blame Neocons and we can even blame Israel, there is plenty of evidence. Between these above goons, foreign policy think tanks and lobby, politicians, and the media itself, they pushed the US into an illegal war with Iraq against the interests of Americans. The minority of Americans who supported the war did so out of ignorance, because they don't think for themselves. The citizens have no say when it comes to these decisions. If the leaders want war, they shall have war. The Bush administration was crawling with Neocons, especially in key defense positions.

    • Wow. Just googled for some more info on this. Almost everything quotes that Murphy guy saying something about lack of civility. Whatever, like this is the first time there has ever been name-calling in a debate. Whore might be 'inappropriate' to the pre-conditioned masses, but this is a woman calling a man a whore... for AIPAC... and he is. She probably shouldn't have said it though. I'm guessing somebody spun what she said earlier about neocons. Politicians should re-consider smearing somebody as racist/antisemitic/etc. when neocons, globalization, or capitalist democracy are criticized.

      Neocons are Zionist warmongers who have a history of lying and using manipulative and hawkish tactics to influence agenda. They are anti-American, they deserve criticism. Those folks who say that anti-globalization and the occupy protests are antisemitic, what exactly are they trying to say?

    • "International law says people fighting for self-determination can use force in order to achieve their independence....They do not have the right to target the civilian population."

      Targeting civilians is obviously the wrong way to resist. Israel, on the other hand, is not fighting for self-determination and they target civilians as policy. If you look at their 'war' history or 'counter-terrorism' attacks, you see a disproportionate number of civilian casualties. They might publicly say how they went out of their way to avoid them, the old 'collateral damage' excuse. Elsewhere they say they are 'teaching a lesson' by using excessive force. Collective punishment. That's their policy. They don't go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. They attack civilian areas that are often unrelated to the alleged perpetrators they retaliate against.

      I was reading some of the things that went on during the occupation of south Lebanon and there were several details I wasn't aware of. Israel not only defied the UN SC (and the USA even) and failed to unconditionally withdraw from Lebanon, they are responsible for killing thousands of civilians. Destroying ancient sites. Targeting suburban areas (they did this again in 2006). And in many cases every time there was an attack against their army, they responded by bombing unrelated civilian areas.

  • With 'last ink,' Gunter Grass breaks silence on Israeli nuclear program threatening world peace
    • As they should. I read an article a little while back written by an Israeli expressing outrage because of a German op-ed advocating ending reparations. The author even said something about Germany's national consciousness must always carry the guilt. Modern Germany has nothing in common with WWII-era Germany. Why should Germans be eternally guilty? Why should a 13-year-old German, for example, be made to feel guilt for something that happened half a century before they were born? Learning about it is one thing, but national guilty consciousness for eternity? If reincarnation was real and somebody turned out to be a reincarnated totalitarian and murderous dictator, would people demand they be punished for their crimes in another life?

      I'm just trying to understand the thought process. I think it has everything to do with collective punishment. Germany was once a revival of the Western Roman Empire, then a constitutional empire as a result of warfare, then it became a smaller republic due to more warfare. This one fell on hard times and bred the environment that led to the Nazi take over. The end result 12 years later was a destroyed Germany with one side controlled by the Soviets for over 40 years. The whole territory was firebombed and in ruin. Displaced people were encamped and starved to death. Soviets confiscated homes and property in Eastern Germany. Their economy was notoriously destroyed for years while the allies occupied it. I'm not talking about Nazi war criminals being punished here, but all of 'hey, I just live here' Germany.

      Since that time period, Germany agreed to pay Israel reparations for the Holocaust. War criminals were punished. Anything eluding to the Nazi era is a punishable offense. And both sides of Germany reunified in 1990. The two sides are still very different from each other. The point I'm trying to make is that modern Germany is not only three Generations away from Hitler, it's a completely different nation. The guilt is still there, so it takes guts to talk about that elephant in the room, Zionism and Israel. Israel's behavior would not be tolerated were it any other nation. It's the sensitive nature of it's history and founding that make it a difficult topic to discuss, but if it isn't discussed they will continue to get away with it.

    • Zionist indoctrination creates mental illness. So if you are already mentally ill yourself, normal probably seems mentally ill.

    • Those Israeli submarines in the Mediterranean whose location is secret and always moving aren't to deter Iran. They're to collectively punish the world if Israel is ever incapacitated. A second strike option which is intended to bring the world down with it for not helping. The Samson option. The subs exist. Israel prepared to nuke Egypt and Syria in 1973 unless the US helped them (blackmail by the way). They called it losing the third temple. I believe the Samson option is an actual policy.

      I also don't trust Israel. I trust a nuclear armed Iran. And there is no nuclear armed Iran. Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons. No matter how many times a lie is repeated, that doesn't make it true. Iran never threatened to wipe Israel from the map, that was an interpretation of an exaggerated mistranslation. And Iran is already contained, it's surrounded (literally) by US military bases:

      Iran also has the largest Jewish population in the ME outside of Israel. The Iranian people, despite the older religious leaders wishes, have become 'Westernized' and the Faravahar has been popularized as a national symbol despite being associated with another religion and also the Shah's regime. The youth today are the leaders tomorrow. Iran doesn't need regime change and it won't need a revolution, the dictators will just be phased out by the people. This whole fear mongering over Iran being some sort of big bad evil fascist danger is beyond ridiculous, a media falsification of fact compared to the actual reality. Most people don't know because they can't see it.

  • Leading sociologist says 'the enemy' includes 'disloyal' individualistic young Jews who push human rights
    • Yeah, and this: "We are oriented toward collectivity... you are oriented toward individuality"

      I thought Judaism was about free will too. It's even been discussed as a paradox. Maybe individualism and free will aren't the same thing in his mind, but they are to me. You can be an individual without the selfish aspect. This collectivism is something be promoted all around the world. Like anonymous comes to mind. Sounds too borgish for me. Group think is not where I want to be. We're not bees.

  • From sea to spying sea: FBI used 'outreach' program to collect and store data on Muslims
    • Not to sound like a kook (but I sorta am anyways, so I will inevitably come off sounding like a kook) but perhaps the FBI is looking for people like Ilan Grapel.

      Not that in anyways that legitimized illegal spying (and it goes both ways, the "Ilan Grapels" could be in the FBI for all I know). It still might be taboo around these parts, but I believe their is enough examples and evidence (as circumstantial as it may be) to prove that in some cases Zionists were responsible for 'radicalizing' gullible youths into carrying out their agendas and willing or unwilling Sayanim.

  • 'The Crisis of Zionism' and the contradictions of Israel as a liberal democratic fantasy
    • Agreed, seafoid. Today I went to best buy on my lunch break and saw a guy (maybe in his 20s) buy the extended warranty for a $50 router. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people easily persuaded out there and they would submit. At least it no longer works on the internet for the most part.

      The Hasbara folks never submit though. They either exit the discussion in disgust (with a final message calling everybody a racist, anti-semite, Islamist, etc.) which is just their version of submitting. Or they annoyingly continue to ensure they have the last word in. Even when they've been outed and nobody cares. At least that's been my experience

    • Yep, Barak is just as bad as the rest. I didn't know much about I/P back then, so I find it very strange to hear that even many Palestinians and their leaders partially trusted the guy at first. His 'generous offer' is the closest any Israeli leader has ever come to a compromise, but it was anything but generous.

      Another thing that I find strange is that after the Oslo Accords we not only see heavy settlement building activity, but also heavy terrorist activity for given reasons that had nothing to do with Oslo (Cave of the Patriarchs murders by settlers, the 90s suicide bombings, etc.). And Rabin was assassinated, but that was allegedly because of Oslo. They wanted to make sure there was no peace. In an alternative universe where there was no Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, no suicide bombing, and Rabin lives, I just wonder if that would have made a difference. Public opinion certainly thought these things killed any attempt to peace.

      The manufactured history, the lies, and the horrifying facts that led to this whole mess are still relevant because the mess is still a mess. If Oslo played out as it was supposed to and in 1998 a peace treaty was made between Palestine and Israel with international borders based upon the pre-1967 green line, I wonder what kind of world we would live in today? Maybe it wouldn't be a mess.

    • Krauss, I wouldn't be surprised either. I would expect it. That's probably why Bibi keeps demanding that Israel be recognized as the Jewish state. Although they've claimed this is not to be interpreted as ethnic cleansing from Israel proper, Bibi is a trickster. I wouldn't be surprised if they re-defined Israel's borders to exclude majority Arab areas. Wouldn't be easy to do, but I can see that happening. The remaining Arabs would probably be treated like the EJ Arabs who've had their citizenship revoked.

      IMO, A Palestinian state based on modern collective Zionist expectation would lead to an indefinite status quo. They would secretly be moving those borders just as they have been doing since 1948, come up with an excuse to militarily cut them off or even occupy them again. That way they could continue the land grab is 'peace times' while maintaining a Jewish demographic in "Israel"

    • I didn't know that it had a name, American. Good link.

      Such persuasive tricks might not fool people here, but unfortunately they do work on the collective masses to a degree. As long as it is believable. Hasbara trolls are experts in the art. Psychopaths employ this as well. I have always said not to mistake psychopathy for genius (since psychopaths are lacking in cerebrum activity, especially in the frontal lobes).

      Here is a quote from an actual genius on Palestine (hint, his first name is Albert):

      "I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. …the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power….I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks…"

    • When you look at the facts, that is certainly the truth. Israel has been in a nearly constant state of warfare since before its inception. The major conflicts all came while Labor and it's predecessor Mapai were in charge.

      Bibi is a pathological liar, a radical right-winger who notoriously admitting to interpreting the Oslo Accords in a way which halted them. Probably a psychopath too. He also isn't exactly helping the international public opinion view Israel in a favorable manner. But from a warfare stand point, Bibi has been relatively 'harmless' compared to his predecessors. I say relatively because disproportionate brutal force has been used to counter rockets. And there was the Flotilla event, among others. But Cast Lead was when Kadima was in power. Ariel Sharon destroyed an entire Palestinian refugee camp as a defense minister, and he also ignited the second intifada. But even though it was a likely ploy, he did disengage Gaza and some illegal WB settlements. The Lebanon thing came after he had his stroke.

      Speaking of settlements and also Lebanon, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir were both former terrorist leaders associated with revisionist Zionism and Likud (which itself is a political successor to those terrorist groups). It is from them that the only real warfare associated with Likud ever occurred, the terrible and unnecessary conflict/occupation of south Lebanon. The settlements accelerated under them too, but it was as you mentioned post-Oslo under Labor where they rapidly accelerated. So on paper, Likud is the former terrorist big-talking tough guys. And Labor is considered liberal yet most of the problems with I/P are Labor's fault. I think the extremists in Israel are like Africanized bees. Remove the leadership, let them be frenzied for a little bit, then replace them with 'normal' ones and everything will be fine.

  • Showdown in Hebron: Netanyahu steps in to protect illegal settlers facing military eviction orders
    • Hebron's in Area A but it has a special agreement because of the settlers, so it's split in to two. H1 and H2. H1 is under PA control like Area A. H2 is where the settlers live along with some Palestinians. They are subject to restrictions on movement due to potential 'terror' attacks.

      And yet the majority of terrorism has come from the Jewish settlers. There are only 80 or so families living there and they are all of the insanity variety of extremist. If Israel decided to disengage Hebron, the settlers would attack the IDF troops and declared independence. They are nuts.

      Netanyahu must not be very intelligent for stepping in. On one hand, Benny Begin and other revisionist Zionists would criticize him if he didn't. On the other hand, this is viewed as a bad move by everybody else and the international community. Evicting them would be the right thing to do. Protecting them was a bad move. It's almost like they are deliberately sinking their own ship.

  • Flabby Zionism
    • I agree with Dan. That goes for everybody IMO. I remember watching an interview years ago with some entertainer who happened to be black (I don't recall who it was), and the interviewer offended him by calling him African-American. He said "I am an American, I am not an African citizen, I have never been to Africa" or something like that. I used to work with a guy with Haitian ancestry who said the same thing pertaining to Haiti. Might have been for a different reason, because Haiti is in the Americas. He also said that Hispaniola always had black natives among the Taíno natives, doubting the post-Colombian imported African slaves in favor of native Haitian slaves. Claims it is historical revisionism to support the whole European 'discovery' narrative.

      I also agree that people should take this more seriously. Putting a label on 'American' is PC, but some people might question one's loyalty. Questioning loyalty is not PC, it's taboo. Why? People don't go around saying "Italian-American" or "American Italian" for the most part. They are American with Italian ancestry. American is a nation/citizenship level. Ethnic/religious identity should come underneath, not along side it. Along side it technically should imply dual-loyalty. Not that I'm questioning loyalties here.

  • The Israel/Palestine conflict will be resolved when Arab countries kick the U.S. out of the region
    • @Fredblogs,

      Yes, he met Hitler personally. And that makes Palestinians responsible for the Holocaust how? Again, exaggerated to comical proportions. This photo has been exaggerated. His 'power' has been exaggerated (he had none). Go read the talk section on his Wikipedia article for some laughs.

      This one guy has been used to make the Palestinians proxy accomplices to the Holocaust. Based on your response, you actually believe that. How sad

    • Fredblogs, that rhetoric doesn't work here.

      Start at the beginning. Like around 1882 or so. That was when the first -pre-Zionist 'aliyah' of European colonists came to not only colonize Palestine, but they came with delusions of grandeur to create the Genesis 15 'land of Israel'

      These colonists were funded by Edmond de Rothschild who set up the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association to buy land in Ottoman Palestine.

      The PJCA was later willed to the JNF and the Rothschilds family has maintained influence since. Another Rothschild, Walter Rothschild who was Edmond's cousin, is who the Balfour Declaration was addressed to. Balfour admit that the declaration would allow the British to carry out 'useful propaganda' toward the USA and Russia. That one dynasty is primarily responsible for creating "Israel"

      Edmond de Rothschild's $50 million contribution to Zionist 'aliyah' would be well over $1 billion today, adjusted for inflation. Ironically, Edmond once stated "the struggle to put an end to the Wandering Jew, could not have as its result, the creation of the Wandering Arab." Herzl said something similar.

      Anyways, the colonists were not good neighbors. It was well known that the early and pre-Zionists aspired to gain control of a lot of terrirory. It was for that reason Sultan Abdul Hamid II reneged on selling them land in what's now the West Bank. Emphasis on bad neighbors. Some of this was the Ottoman's fault because of their absentee land owner property. People were told to leave property they thought they owned so European colonists could live there. But the other part is just that this movement has been insane from the outset. And never once did they distinguish a Jewish Arab from a non-Jewish Arab. They oppressed all of them including the 'Old Yishuv' Arab Jews of Palestine. They clashed with the colonists along side their fellow Palestinians.

      This has become mostly lost due to the propaganda and historical revision coming from your side. Palestinian Jews were even unfairly included in the Partition plan to boost the Jewish population statistics. And as others have said, Israel directly and indirectly had Arab Jews moved to Israel. Indirectly because they have clandestine methods of carrying out these sort of things. Even today, like that guy arrested last year in Egypt promoting sectarian violence.

      Arabs didn't become "Amalekites" until Israel PR turned them into them. And that story about the Grand Mufti has been exaggerated and used to oppress Palestinians as collectively responsible for the holocaust. There are Jewish populations in "Arab States" contrary to popular belief. Just not in Saudi Arabia. Not a whole lot, but not ALL of them like you said. I also don't doubt that historical revisionism has exploited Arabian history to make it look like, for example, all the Jews of Medina were slaughtered. Muhammad was of the Quraysh tribe that took care of the Kaaba. An allegedly massacred Jewish tribe in Medina called Qurayza were tax collectors. I doubt the similarity is a coincidence. Both names mean Cyrus.

      BTW, wtf with the civil rights thing? Only a minority 'left' you say? I'm not aware of them going anywhere. In fact, since the civil rights era their population statistics have grown.

  • Those who criticize Israel join campaign to 'slaughter the Jews en masse'
    • Israel hijacked it and tried to make the term synonomous with anti-Israel. Which because of their double standards expectation means criticism of Israel. Israel and supporters of Israel are criticized because they are in the wrong.

      The irrationality of analyzing it on a macro level and drawing the same conclusion by 'proxy' is just insanity.

  • Zionism totalled
    • Ironically, there has been a historical revisionist look back on McCarthy. It turns out that a lot of the folks suspected of communism, even though we were told it was based on unfounded non-evidence and paranoia, was based on actual evidence and in several cases they turned out to be communists years later.

      Considering the Republican party began to shift not long afterwards and considering all the Neocons who infest our government, I think he was on to something. So did the late former Congressman Larry McDonald. I don't personally agree with all of McDonald's personal views, but he was repeating this even in the 80s until his dead (ironically was in a commercial airliner shot down by Soviets)

  • NYPD: Snoops, spies and ... agent provocateurs?
    • It's very sick. Entrapment. Agent Provocateurs with criminal records. Clandestine terrorism sponsored by the state. False intelligence. Joke 'intelligence' sources like SITE. What are they trying to accomplish? These sort of things create terrorism. That's the whole point.

      Declare a war against terrorism and then any dissent can be considered terrorism. Meanwhile, instigate and promote terrorism. Sick.

  • 'Safe European home'?
    • Breivik was also a world traveler with ties to the far right. With MK Ultra, the CIA used drugs, hypnosis, trauma, and other forms of debilitation in an attempt to 'break' into a persons mind at a subconscious level and 'implant' a 'program' which has allegedly resulted in a few people going Postal. Sounds science fiction (or the original Naked Gun comes to mind), but the truth is stranger than fiction.

      There was also some British Muslims detained at Gitmoo, tortured and then brainwashed using edited video into believing they were Al Qaeda terrorists who visited a Bin Laden rally.

      Regardless, someone's got some splainin to do for sure. The CIA and FBI have thrown hundreds of thousands in taxpayer money at Rita Katz's SITE Institute. I question the sanity of our security/intelligence to rely on propaganda not unlike DEBKAfile, often made up out of thin air. Katz's ties to the Israeli secret service are not a secret. I mention SITE because it was SITE who have been 'poisoning the well' with this guy and saying he was Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. Stuff that today is apparently not true.

    • Yeah that takes the cake. A foreigner on the US no-fly list suspected of terrorism was able to visit Israel? Doesn't Israel interview you before you even board the plane? And grill you again when it lands?

      So he get's arrested with a knife in Jerusalem. At this point, the authorities would do a background check and know that he is supposedly the same sort of person that they defend themselves against on a daily basis. Then he is released shortly thereafter? A Muslim arrested being released in short time? In Israel? With this guy's record?

  • Mustafa Bargouti: Jerusalem is at the heart of the Palestinian cause
    • Agree with Shingo. All of Jerusalem's Arabs are considered the remaining Arab inhabitants. Israel has been forcing out Jerusalem Arabs and stripping them of citizenship in some cases. Doesn't matter if the ones who aren't forced out are having babies at a faster pace then the Jews of Jerusalem.

  • Peter King hypes Hezbollah threat to US
    • I've been hearing this "Hezbollah in the US" thing for years.

      This is absolutely nonsense. Why would a Lebanese resistance group opposed to the occupation in Israel be in the Americas? I realize my country considers them terrorists, but the majority of the world considers them a legitimate resistance group.

      I had a conversation with a family member who is a border patrol agent. He has never heard anything about Hezbollah in the Americas. There will be the occasional report that Hezbollah is aiding the drug cartels in Mexico and are plotting terrorist attacks against Americans. He knew who they are, but he had never heard about them being involved in border instability, or even present in the Americas. And I think he would probably have known.

      The only reason they can get away with this claim is due to the huge Lebanese diaspora in the Americas, especially in South Americas due to civil and regional wars (and in recent history Israel's occupation and wars). Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, and Shakira are Lebanese for example. And often people consider that a South American look. Like over 90% are Christians.

      Every now and then you'll hear somebody of Lebanese ethnicity defending something like a Hezbollah flag on their house or the logo on their shirt. That doesn't mean they're terrorists. According to history, Hezbollah blew up the Israeli embassy in Israel. The facts don't point to that. Somebody put two and two together and noticed that one of Israel's enemies has a significant population in the Americas. A scapegoat was born. I don't buy any of this nonsense.

  • One crazed murderer sparks Zionist calls for European migration to Israel
    • The Zionist movement was heavily supported in the US by Anglo-Saxon Protestant fundamentalists. Still is.

      Their end game is to be pulled up into the clouds along with their dead relatives and live happily ever after with the Lord. All Jews must return to Israel/Palestine for this to happen. We can all thank John Nelson Darby for inventing this elaborate myth.

  • Rockets are collective punishment
    • Agreed. Collective punishment is an unfortunate human characteristic that the media is chiefly responsible in promoting. Human beings as a whole have traditionally and unfortunately blamed the actions of a group for the actions of a few within that group. I believe this is why the PTB use the divide and conquer strategy. They know that if country x isn't going the way they like, they can create tension with country y and justify war to 'resolve' the issue. That's truly what I believe and I've been called a kook, but if you gave me three hours with two 20-minute breaks and a cappuccino machine, I could build a good case for my POV. Hot chocolate and bottled water if you don't like cappuccino. And normal coffee (dunkin donuts brand)

      And another unfortunate aspect of retaliation is to attack civilians. It would make far more sense that in using resistance techniques to go after strategic targets. Mainly military. There is also the fact that element within Israel (probably state sponsored IMHO) have either staged or provoked/promoted/baited counter attacks as a means to attack themselves. The Sinai attacks which resulted in shelling the unrelated Gaza strip come to mind. This is a strange world we live in. I might be crazy, but I mean well. I see flaws and anomalies in what we are told. I speculate based on what we know and what has happened traditionally in history. I could be very wrong, but I'm probably closer to the truth here that what they tell us

  • Responses to Toulouse murders from Palestinian orgs and Jerusalem mourners
    • Only a psychopath would murder children by shooting them at point-blank range in the head.

      I won't entertain what you were trying to go for, dimadok. But I will say this: Anytime an event like this happens, I really wish people would question everything and see if it all added up. To me, it does not. I know many of you don't believe it, but Al Qaeda is an ambiguous entity which has been proven on several occasions to not exist as we have been told. The BBC did a report on this. It is a Western-invented blanket term for 'terrorist.' In this guy's case he has a questionable back story, was under surveillance for a months, was supposedly dirt-poor yet had two flats, a motorcycle, and a weapons cache.

      He is Algerian and killed soldiers (who were also Muslim) and he hunted down the victims at the Jewish school including the children. Pre-meditated murder. The MSM claims he did it because of Palestinian children, yet any monster who murders like this doesn't care about anybody. Not Palestinians. Obviously not children. And Palestinians want nothing to do with this.

      The timing of the election in France, the Syria thing and France's connection to Syria, the Iran rhetoric, and the fact that all of this distracts the public from the I/P situation. IMHO, this guy was a trained psychopathic assassin. He took care of military and civilian targets. Pre-meditated. Hunted down. Point blank range. All on a motorcycle. Originally they said Neo-Nazis, now it's an Al Qaeda asset. IMHO, there is more to this story than we will ever be told the same with 'lone wolf' Breivik.

      Human beings are not capable of committing such acts of violence. I know it's frowned on here, but I blame the corrupted intelligence network. I have reason to believe it is corrupted. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I've seen enough strange anomalies and MSM lies to believe that things are not as they seem. The real terrorists of the world are in the shadows.

  • Pentagon fears Israeli strike on Iran would drag US in
    • I'll never understand why you folks even mention Pakistan. The majority of the Taliban-Pakistan history is based on propaganda. Calling Pakistan right-wing is a bit of a stretch. The majority of Pakistan have been opposed to Wahhabi-Salafism (aka, what everybody thinks Islam is even though it never really was until recent history) for decades. India has nukes too. Pakistan, is a divided and conquered India compliments of the British. They're not exactly friends. Israel has nukes. Israel is the least trustworthy nation on the planet with nukes and they have a whole arsenal. Unofficial doesn't mean it isn't there. What's is Kashmir anyways? The British and then the Zionist have long been very interested in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

      The Libya/Tunisia thing was an unnecessary disaster btw. That's why it hasn't been used on Syria. Globalization and colonialism are the problems with the world. The US doesn't dominate the world btw. Only their military. We are ranked near the bottom in a lot of things Americans think we are number one at. Nor would I want the US to dominate the world.

      It's strange that people get called antisemitic for being anti-globalization. It's also strange how the USA went from being Republic to Democratic right under our noses. Democracy, especially this corporate financial central banking variety, is terrible. The USA is a Constitutional Republic. All those laws that usurp the constitution we've been seeing these past few decades (especially the draconian ones from the past few years) are unlawful. The public just doesn't know it. We've been duped and taken over by neoconservative globalizationist hawks. That's a bad thing by the way.

  • Israeli academics call for massive attack on Gaza to 'mow the lawn' -- before November election ends the 'opportunity'
    • Israel has started or instigated all of it's wars preemptively. Declaring independence in a land that's not yours is an act of war by the way. Only the 1973 war was not preemptive. The reason why it was not expected was because Israel are terrible mind readers. They always assume and they're usually wrong. They don't respond to any credible intelligence, they just terrorize their neighbors so that they never have a chance to surprise them.

      If Israel truly only defended itself, even if it was still a fortress, they wouldn't have this problem. They're uncivilized, there is just not other way to describe this rouge behavior. Such barbarians have no right to have sovereignty or their own state.

    • These 'academics' are what opened up my mind in general about academics. Not all of them obviously, but many of them. Folks who put years and thousands into receiving a piece of paper and making the right friends to give them an aura of credibility. We're conditioned to believe they're experts yet I've noticed that a lot of experts are just like the Israeli experts. They're fools. They get their 'respected academic' friends to smear their critics or new ideas that jeopardize their credibility. I know it sounds crazy, but I could build a good case for it.

      These folks are expert professional liars and have mastered the art of sophistry and rhetorical. That doesn't make them smarter than anybody, just makes people bigger fools for following fools. I saw a round table with Finkelstein up against a couple of these guys and they refuse to accept truth. I guess in Israel, even the highly educated believe the lies.

      There is definitely no hope for Israel. None what-so-ever. I am against military intervention, but Israel is the exception. There is no other way. The US has blood on their hands and has supported Israel since inception. The UN gave birth to it. The British had no right to make it into a Jewish homeland. When the Zionists say to stay out of their business, they have no business. It's the Wests business. If the west stayed out of its affairs, this would've ended 60 years ago.

  • The Norwegians, the settlers, the zealot, the olive seedlings-- and the Palestinian's suit against 'Nobody'
    • I watched Defamation based on your suggestions. That part with the Israeli teens visiting Poland shows some of the ways they brainwash these kids at such a young age. An IDF guy doesn't let them leave their hotel and tells him they aren't safe and people hate Jews. There is a part where two older Polish guys are trying to harmlessly converse with a couple girls until one of the leaders takes them away and says they were saying bad things about Jews. Projecting their hatred on others is an excellent way to put it.

      They're creating soldiers. Literally. Brainwashed into a nation of sociopaths. Those perceptions are impossible to change.

  • Mr. President, Palestine has heard you
    • I agree. When Obama said that peace cannot be imposed is true for most nations. Not Israel. Israel was created by the West and the UN especially. The British made it, the UN have birth to it, the American fundies spear-headed it, and the US government has unconditionally supported it ever since. The US has been behind this whole two state thing for 30+ years. The West blames the Palestinians irrationally when the whole thing is the fault of the West. The Palestinians are stripped of their humanity and wrongly demonized. Nobody should ask the Palestinians anything. It's asking for a lot considering little has changed in 64 years.

      The US of all people cannot say peace can't be imposed. There is no other way. They created a monster. They have to impose it. The Israelis are nuts. Most of them anyways. Conditioned into violent sociopaths from childhood brainwashing. Israel will never, NEVER, end this all by their lonesome. Those perceptions are not going to change. Not in decades. And we allowed these nutters to obtain nukes! And people always preface this with "although never officially acknowledged"

      What difference does that make? It's like saying "now I haven't been out of the house today, but the sun is probably up because it is daytime"

    • Peaceful protests often also mean law-abiding (or at the most, stretching the law). The thing is you can break laws peacefully to. That message gets lost in translation when third parties encourage protesting peacefully. Nobody ever got anything by playing by the rules. Easier to convince everybody to break them then play by them and make a difference. Not that their are any rules under occupation. Nevermind...

  • Rendell (of MSNBC and Friends of IDF) is under investigation for ties to Iranian terror group
    • “is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service”

      Israel sure supports a lot of terrorist groups. MEK, PKK, PFLP, etc. And Hasbarists seem to think that it is some kind of a joke to implicate Mossad whenever a suspicious 'terror' event takes place.

      This is the same Israel whose leaders have called both Hezbollah and Hamas "extensions" and "proxies" of Iran. I'm pretty sure Bibi has said "Iranian terror proxies" more than a couple times.

      By Israel's own logic, MEK, PKK, and PFLP are "Israeli terror proxies" except I have a feeling that Mossad is far more involved in these activities than they claim Iran is for Hezbollah (and Hamas to a lesser extent).

      Israel baits their own people to do their dirty work for the "good" of Israel. That involves lending foreign passports to be used in spying activity, unknowingly (and illegally from an immigration stand point) staffing a front for a spying/intelligence operation while running scams to fund the op. "Freelance" order taking. Sayninam they call them. And if they aren't 'legitimately' training/supporting terror groups, they're doing it under the guise of radical nutters taking advantage of gullible youths (most of the time). Or stirring up sectarian violence. It's sickening. CIA and MI5 get name dropped sometimes in these things too, probably because they both have their share of double agents.

      Sounds like a movie, except it's real. Don't know why people laugh about it and call it conspiracy.

  • The myth of Israel's favorable treatment of Palestinian Christians
    • Mayhem, what's your definition of a hard fact? You know, it's strange. Usually when folks tell the truth about I/P, they call it the truth. More often than not, those who add emphasis and adjectives to the word 'fact' as in your example of hard facts are referring to deceptive statistics. Half-truths, exaggeration, and even lies spun in the same fashion that corporations spin their annual numbers. It seems the whole world has been reduced to statistics like this, spun in whatever direction the status quo is heading.

      Israel has treated their Christians worse than anybody in the Middle East. Prior to 1948, a significant portion of Palestine was Christian. Some say 40% of the non-Zionists may have been Christian. Today that number is down to 10%. There is plenty of evidence that Israel deliberately targeted Christians for expulsion over Muslims. The vast majority of Christians were expelled or murdered during Nakba by the Israelis. People don't know this because they were never told. In Palestine, there was no sectarian violence between Christians and Muslims. What Christians and Muslims did in the privacy of their own homes regarding their faiths is the only way to tell them apart.

      Christians and Muslims would attend mass at the same places and practice the same customs, traditions, and holidays. It was only after the Zionists ruined everything that this all changed. Christian symbols are defaced, like a Virgin Mary statue in Bethlehem was hit with shrapnel and had it's arm taken off. The Zionists have burned bibles. They compensated the spring of the Highlands a few years back and now it's dead. They compensate a great many things that weren't theirs. Built a wall around one artifact and then bulldozed it. They dynamited a Byzantine-era church from Christianity's earliest days (St Barbara in Aboud). That's scratching the surface.

      This is hardly a surprise considering that's what Israel does everywhere. They've removed artifacts and relics all over Palestine. Historic buildings bulldozed. Destroyed olive trees that were hundreds of years old. Destroyed ancient cemeteries including Jewish cemeteries. All to make room for horrible taste and boring architecture. It all has a military look. Most of it doesn't even look modern. It looks old, boring, and dirty. No respect for the land or it's history. Seriously, the Zionists don't care about the history. The leaders know that with help from the British, a lot of that history was invented just to support a political and colonial agenda.

  • Palestinian and Palestine-solidarity activists issue critique and condemnation of Gilad Atzmon
    • You're definitely right about historical memory, Mooser. Goes for anything really. Although the books are still around, we've 'lost' important historical knowledge that was common in even the mid-20th century due to kool-aid drinking and short-term historical memory.

      For example, all those radical Islamophobs can blame the West for what they perceive superficially as a threat. The whole "Islam is stuck in the dark ages" is in fact a modern creation, compliments of the USA, the UK, and France. See there was this 17th century kook named Mohammed Al Wahab who went around destroying historical relics and preaching a version of Islam that wasn't Islam. Nobody paid attention to him. For whatever reason, the royal family House of Saud did. The British gave them control over most of the Arabian Peninsula in return for oil and they forced this archaic 'theology' on the masses.

      Similar thing happened in Iran. Iran was always cozy to the West, even before the CIA had the Shah turned into a dictator. What changed? After WWI, the Ottoman Empire fell and was confined to an independent and Sultan-free democratic Turkey in Anatolia. The rest was cut up over oil. We all know about Palestine, and Arabia was given to the Sauds. The Cold War and Israel kept the region in the dark. Mossad has even been caught 'radicalizing' people and promoting sectarian violence (like that guy in Egypt last year).

      Just like with Zionists, all those things that Islamophobs make excuses over are the fault of Western powers in recent history (which is why things are changing).

      Sorry to veer off topic. I see both sides, but I like Atzmon. I think folks are being too PC. What NorthOfFortyNine said above about exclusivism is something Atzmon has pointed out.

  • Obama could only take Netanyahu on when Dennis Ross, Bibi's backchannel, was incommunicado
    • If you took an unofficial/anonymous survey among all the world's leaders on who was the most likely to hit the button, I would bet money that Israel would top the list by a landslide.

      They prepared nuclear warheads to fire at targets in Egypt and Syria back in '73. Few people are aware of it. It's one of the only times in history that the world came close to nuclear war. Well that we know of at least. Cuban Missile Crisis and the 'fall of the third temple'

      IMHO, Israel is NEVER going to settle for anything with the Palestinians. Since the US is responsible for dragging its feet (and allowing sensitive areas of our government to be 'infiltrated' by Zionists) they should finish the job. Forget about the propaganda implicating Syria. Forget about Iran. Those are diversions keeping wandering eyes away from the core problem on planet Earth: The I/P conflict. Send the US military and US troops on a 'humanitarian' mission that really needs it. Force the Israelis to withdraw to their recognized territories and stick around on the borders trying not to wear out your welcome (to keep the peace).

      Most importantly, contain Dimona. Disarm Dimona. Remove their entire nuclear arsenal and decommission every warhead. They deny their existence and refuse to sign the NPT. I don't trust them. I'm honestly afraid of their nukes. They don't keep me up at night, but I fear they will use them... preemptively. Or otherwise in bad faith. That's the Zionist way.

    • They really can't. The whole West kinda operates that way it seems. Observable reality and straight answers based on it are taboo and alien things it seems. Their perceptions must be off

    • The parallel universe crashing is wishful fckin thinking I'm afraid. Been reading a lot of history and mythology lately. Ancient stuff mostly. Not really all that reliable considering the sources, but we don't have much of a choice.

      Anyways, my point is we've been living in this fcked up parallel universe for at least 2,000 years. History repeats even in our lifetimes. An example of this is the whole Iran things. Same folks from a decade ago saying the same thing, spinning the same shit. I'm a little ignorant when it comes to nuclear reactors and I would think normal people are the same way (right?). The way these talking heads bring up centrifuges and enrichment and speculate over spy photos regarding underground installations... reminds me of aluminum tubes.

      I would hope the public would only trust these liars to tell lies, but if these polls are true (and I don't trust polls) over half the USA is banging the drums of war. I'm seriously wondering if I'm from a different planet than these kooks (I have RH negative blood... maybe there is some truth to that)

  • Gaza scoreboard
  • Remnick ignores the Nakba's role in Israeli 'democracy'
    • They will never escape it, and it will always be a reminder to those affected. Not that they need one, it just makes it worse.

      I'm seeing less Nakba denial from the Zionists and more "The Nakba that history forgot" concerning the expulsion of Jews from Arab lands. And some fall for the trap and say "If Zionists didn't bully their neighbors..." and even that's unnecessary. It is a poor Zionist "justification" that is easily explainable by saying it is not relevant to I/P. Palestinians had nothing to do with that. "But they're Arabs!" They say. Levantine Arabs, mostly linguistic. Somewhat cultural. Palestine was Turkish for 400 years before Zionism. The Arab thing is a straw man.

  • Israel strikes Gaza, killing 11, injuring 16
    • The holocaust analogies are absurd as is the notion of preemptive war, assassination, and torture. Fortress Israel is one of the world's top military powers. Amazing considering it's tiny size, but you can thank us taxpaying suckers in the USA for that.

      Israel's number one 'threat' is apparently homemade rockets made in basements along with imaginary and invisible Iranian nuclear weapons. Next in line are molotov cocktails followed by old-fashioned stones. Let's not forget the 'existensial threat' of the non-violent West Bank protesters.

      Reading Zionist newspapers speculating about the potential of a "ground deployment" in Gaza is also absurd. Gaza is grossly exaggerated into being this giant haven for terrorists constantly plotting the next holocaust. In reality, the Gaza Strip is 25 miles long and 4 miles wide for the most part. It's a teeny tiny place which Israel has turned into an open air prison. Judging from all the illegal Israelis in the US accused of being spies, considering Gaza is right next to Israel and over half the population is women and children, I find it hard to believe that anything goes on in Gaza without Israel knowing about it. No point in speculating about secret terrorists in secret tunnels building secret sea-pushing devices for Jews. Nothing is happening accept Israel is denying that entire population the right to be humanely treated.

      Given the treatment, one would expect it would piss of some captive people anyways who might want to take their anger out on their captors. The situation breeds resistance. A preemptive attack is stupid. The reason given is never correct. Minority report pre-cogs are not real. Zionists are terrible mind readers. Assassination is stupid because it's murder. Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin never laid a finger on anybody. He was in a wheelchair. Who cares if he radicalized people with words? Mossad pretends to be 'Islamists' all the time trying to bait radical behavior and sectarian violence.

      And torture has never been effective because it produces false confessions. Israel loves torture. Ironically, the reason why Jews were blamed for the plague was because Jews were tortured into false confessions.

      Israel is not unique and should not be treated uniquely with applied double standards. The majority of the world's Jews do not live in Israel. They live in the USA or elsewhere in diaspora. Self-preservation my arse. This is about ethnically cleansing the 'hostile' indigenous peoples who are only 'hostile' because of the brutal treatment by Zionist colonists. You folks might want the world to think that Muslims and Arabs want to holocaust Jews, but that's a lie. Israel's Middle Eastern 'enemies' don't like Israel or Zionism because of what Zionists have done to them over the years, mostly due to Zionist terrorism, unnecessary warfare to steal territory, and occupation.

      Self-preservation.... What a joke. If you folks truly believe that's the case, put down your weapons and open up your borders. Embrace your neighbors and offer unilateral peace with no conditions or anything. Of course, the typical Zionist response would be "Then they would push us into the sea" which again is terrible mind reading. In Israel, the holocaust is used to make Zionists insane. They didn't learn anything from it and are now responsible for causing an on-going one whether they want to admit it or not.

  • Advice to Zionists from a fellow loser
    • Pretty good list of facts. Could keep going even. Zionism also means different things to different Zionists.

      Some folks believe that Zionism is self-determination and nationalism so they get offended when you're anti-Zionist. What they don't get is that Zionism is a bad word. If that was the extent of the definition, there wouldn't be an issue. It's like if you have an 'ism' movement of your own with self-determination and nationalism in the definition along with 'killing whites'. You can't get offended if somebody is against your 'ism' because of the other bad stuff and believe that it is an attack on your self determination like Witty always did. Similarly, you can't cherry pick good stuff and call it the same thing. You don't see anybody calling themselves Liberal Nazis.

      The goal of Zionism was a Jewish state. More Jews are leaving Israel than immigrating. There are more Jews in diaspora than an Israel too, almost twice as much. They are not waiting for the 'tension' to die down and make 'aliyah'

      The irony regarding Zionism is that the "Jewish state" was intended as the only way to combat antisemitism and be a safe place to live in. It's the least safest place for Jews to live. Even Iranian Jews are safer in Iran than in Israel. The only major threat they face is from their Israeli cousins who want to bomb Iran.

      Zionism evolved into all those listed things, among others. It's a bad word. At it's core, it's main purpose and philosophy has served it's purpose to make a Jewish state. It no longer serves a purpose. I would even argue that it was a failure because it isn't safe and because most Jews don't live there or intend to live there.

  • ‏A letter from under attack
    • This is terrible. The Israeli policy of disproportionate use of excessive force in retaliation for any perceived third party attack is a policy of an immoral monster. A terrorist. An enemy of humanity. It always kills civilians. Always. On purpose. Their policy is intended to cause extra punishment so that their 'enemy' thinks twice about attacking them again. The family of the innocents killed in the crossfire and considered 'collateral damage' do not see things that way. They see the truth - a monstrous terrorist bully. And if they want to push Israelis into the sea or whatever (the classic propaganda line) how can you blame them?

  • Warning to Obama: 'The Jewish community will remember in November'
    • History is a lot more complex then we are told. Pre-15th century stuff originating in Europe calls Muslims Saracens. Muslim Turks are called Turks or Tatars or even Mongols. Jews are referred to as Yehudim, Koman, Medians/Kurds, and in some cases even the above names attributed to Muslims.

      Christians are even more complex. The Arian Christians and Gnostics were persecuted. Some material Arianism and Gnosis was Jewish even. Other material says it was the 'real' Christianity. It's difficult stuff to make sense of.

      That means that history blurs the line. The Abrahamic faiths all spring forward from the same well, that's why. Zoroastrianism isn't pagan either. It's like a combination of Vedic and Abrahamic beliefs. Probably because Vedic teachings spread West and that's exactly what happened. It is important to point out that Muslims and Arabs have never been 'mortal enemies' of Jews. Not until Zionism and Israel and the propaganda which made it so.

    • "Yair is prepared to respect *anyone who is ready to live in peace with Israel, whatever his identity. His parents, the prime minister and his wife believe in moderation and tolerance [!] and they respect every individual without respect to their religion [!], ethnicity or national affiliation and so they raised their son."

      * - Anyone except for Arabs of course who have shown since time immortal that they are of the seed of Esau, our eternal enemy the Amalekites. The Arabs do not want peace. Since the creation of the Jewish state in 1948, the Arabs sought to destroy it and push Jews into the sea. These attitudes among Arabs have not changed. Need I remind you of the militant Islamic terror attacks that Israel faces on a daily basis? Need I remind you what these same militant Islamists did to your World Trade towers? The consistent incitement and rejection of peace by the PLO just proves that the Arabs are not ever ready to live in peace with the Jewish state.

      ^They left that part out. Okay I made it up, but I'm sure that's pretty much what their thought process consists of.

    • Carter, IMO, has been the best post-President in the history of former American Presidents. There was definitely a campaign of sorts out to derail his re-election, it involved the hostage situation, and Zionists at some level were likely involved given the fact that Carter spearheaded this peace thing and caused Israel to give up a significant chunk of stolen real estate (Sinai).

    • Yep, I would bet on that. American Jewish voters vote democratically for the most part.

      The thing is that the "Jewish vote" is not referring to Jewish voters. It's a veiled code word for people who are mostly not even Jewish. I am thinking that the "Jewish community" is the same thing here given the context. It is not referring to individual voters. This "Jewish community" does not include Iran's Jewish community either. Iranian Jews are, contrary to popular belief, not persecuted. They don't want war. Just like the Persian Jews in Israel in elsewhere are saying for the most part. Another reason why the holocaust analogies are totally unacceptable. The population statistics for Iranian Jews are significantly deflated. On purpose. For obvious reasons. Outside of Israel, it is the largest Jewish community in the Middle East. Ironically located in a country that Israel wants to wipe off the face of the Earth.

      When you got Michelle Bachmann calling herself Jewish because the Hebrew Bible is the Christian Old Testament, when Joe Biden calls himself a Zionist, and when Sarah Palin wears a Star of David pendant, it raises questions. At least it does for me. What kind of questions?

      Who is this "Jewish Community" anyways? American Jews? It can't be. Some might want a war, but I bet the majority do not. Just as the majority will vote for Obama in November.

      Even Netanyahu admits that the early Zionist movement was carried out by American Protestant Fundamentalists. The Zionist lobby is full of American Protestant Fundamentalists. The CIA report on the risks of partitioning Palestine mention the powerful Zionist lobbies and make a note that they are not run by Jews.

      Methinks that Christian Zionist fundies are taking credit for being the "Jewish Community" too. That's my point. And there is a lot of them including several powerful and rich moguls active politically and donating to Israel-firster causes.

  • Fact checker fact checker find me a fact
    • Well, to be fair both are just examples why people should not trust the media. Especially pretaining to a volitale and sensitive topic like I/P. Or anything that's going on in Syria. When the media reported the 'celebrating' Libyans, BBC ran this:

      Strange... what do all those Indians waving the flag of India have to do with Libya? Reminds me of the footage they showed of Palestinians 'celebrating' after 9/11 which turned out to be file footage taped years prior after they were given food. Who is the insane media whore who thought it would be funny to run that?

  • Israel's lobby (updated)
    • LOL! I didn't notice the chandelier, I wonder if that was intentionally photographed? Those two guys look like twins

  • 'New Republic' says Obama 'detests' Netanyahu and treats him shabbily
    • "I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved"

      At the 4:07 mark. To be fair, I don't speak Hebrew. I don't know how to spell what he is saying and throw it in to Google translate and make sense of it. Some Hebrew speakers claim that is not what he is saying at all. Just like they claim Menachem Begin did not make the infamous master race comment. Hebrew is pretty much Aramaic and not easy to translate into an Indo-European languages spoken by the majority of the West. Therefore, Israeli politicians can say horrible things in Hebrew and Israelis can claim that the English translation is not what they said. They are technically correct yet wrong at the same time. The intent is what is important. This is the same guy who said he stopped the Oslo accords and that 9/11 was good for Israel.

      To get to know him a little more, if you haven't already done so I suggest watching the Ben Netay debate video from some old show called 'the advocate'

      Watch his facial movements and body language. He is a professional liar. A master of deception and rhetoric. A likely psychopath. IMHO, the younger version is much wittier than his modern self. Perhaps he rehearsed. Either that or when he speaks in English he dumbs himself down to the American audience which needs to hear things at an elementary level to understand it. No offense to my fellow Americans. You know what I mean :)

    • Netanyahu isn't even popular in Israel. It's difficult to gauge because I can't find any recent approval ratings. Even the 'right-wing' news gives him crap these days and several haaretz journalists at least speak their mind on the guy. A nation's leader is supposed to represent the nation. That doesn't always mean the nation likes the leader. Bush's approval ratings were average until 9/11 when they soared. Then they dropped to average again until the Iraq war when strangely the soared. Then they tanked to below average right after his first term all the way to historic lows where they remained. Obama's have been pretty darn stable at average. I voted for the guy but I don't care for the job he has done nor will I vote for him again. For the most part Americans are not unhappy with the job he claims to have been doing. He hasn't had a 9/11 or an Iraq war thankfully, that's a good thing.

      My point here is that Bush was detested by the American public for his entire second term and it would have happened earlier were it not for those events.

      I used to teach training classes for my company's product and we had our international subsidiaries learning it for a month. Over some drinks, somebody brought up Bush and pretty much all of them said Bush was a laughing stock in all of Europe. I believed it.

      Netanyahu is the same thing. A laughing stock for rational Americans, most Europeans, and in Israel itself. Of course Obama hates him. The thing with Sarkozy comes to mind. Sarkozy is Jewish even. Netanyahu is more hated than Ariel Sharon. Menachem Begin. Any labor party leader actually. He's irrational. He's a pathological liar. He lies on an international stage. He's a manipulative con-man. Anybody can see through this. No nation can ever take themselves seriously by electing such a con-man to such a position of leadership. In a way, I'm glad he is the Israel PM because as long as he remains in that position, the closer this whole thing comes to finally being resolved. In his attempt to extend the status quo, he is killing it. I am okay with this.

  • Video: Newt snoozes waiting on AIPAC, but hardly misses a beat
  • Friedman warns war could hurt American Jews
    • In a perfect world maybe. Instead we're stuck with Jennifer Rubin's "Jerusalem is not a Settlement" bumper stickers. And (LOL!) Obama 2012.

    • Yep

      "Every Israeli and friend of Israel should be thankful to the president for framing the Iran issue this way. It is important strategically for Israel, because it makes clear that dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat was not Israel’s problem alone"

      Obama can frame it any way he likes. Put those same 25 people Friedman mentioned and exile them to a desert and there will never be a war with Iran either.

  • Cantor says Obama must not 'speak contrary to what our ally thinks is in its best interest'!
    • There is enough concrete evidence floating out there to convict Cantor of treason if anybody wants to pursue it.

      Australia is an ally of the USA. If Australia somehow it was in their best interest to deport aborigines to Malaysia or something, the administration of the POTUS is allowed to speak contrary to it. Australia is not part of the USA. Israel is not the 51st state of the USA.

      IMO, Cantor is just using persuasive and manipulative language to convince his audience that what he says is in fact rational. It is hardly rational. Israel is a foreign nation. Foreign nation. They are not the USA. What is good or bad for Israel is not necessarily good or bad for the USA. Saudi Arabia is a valued ally of the USA for obvious reasons. Saudi Arabia has no diplomatic relations with Israel.

      Israel /= (does not equal) the USA and vice versa. Religious opinions are irrelevant and biased.

  • Netanyahu gives genocidal bible story to Obama
    • I have a hard time believing anything that happened before I was alive if there is complete lack of evidence. Historical and biblical. History is written by the victor and not the loser. I've been reading a lot about gnosis lately, so I'll use an example involving that. Because so little material survived (and much of it was destroyed) we hardly knew anything about gnosis until the treasure trove of Nag Hammadi codices were dug up in 1945.

      What we mostly knew about it came from what was written about Manichaeism. Manichaeism was suppressed but still had some devotees (the Bosnian Church was influenced by it). The majority of the history written about Manichaeism was from it's critics. Religious scholars who spoke harshly about it and demonized Mani. This being the primary known history we had on gnosis until the Nag Hammadi discoveries. And we still will never know exactly what the Manichaeism take was because we cannot accept their critique as history at face value. Maybe that's not the best example, but it's what came to mind since I'm interested in it presently. If we cannot got modern events correct, then we have no clue how accurate our actual history is.

      One of the things I read about the Babylonian exile and Cyrus freeing Jews was the emphasis on Jewish leaders. When a providence, country, nation, empire, etc. was conquered it wasn't always customary to slaughter the people. It was more important to have the people surrender to the new rulers (with exceptions obviously.. I believe it was the Mongols they say who had a 'population reduction' quota which involved killing the leaders and 10 people per solider or something like that).

      The old leaders were either executed, imprisoned, or exiled. Or all of the above. My research into this subject shows that the Jews in exile were wealthy, elite, and powerful leaders. It seems that people are under the impression that all or most of the Jews were exiled from their country, but that is not what the actual history says. What happened was akin to exiling modern day Neocon/Zionist politicians and millionaires after being conquered by Mexico or something. The reason why there were Rabbis and religious leaders is because they were the leaders and the government in those times. So when some ultra-Orthdox settler says that the war in Iraq was revenge for Babylonian captivity, it just makes them sound even more insane.

  • At last a leader, Obama fingers 'Israeli interest' in war
    • It's sort of like when two people get married and one finds out that the other is not the person they thought they knew at all. But every now and then they say the right thing followed by "I love you" and whatever. The partner then relaxes in reassurance that they should not have second guessed them in the first place. Until they disappoint them a day later.

      Obama has done absolutely nothing for anybody trust him. He has said some nice things that were never backed up by actions and made some promises and threats that were never kept or followed up on. On one hand he is at the mercy of Congress who truly hold all the real power in our government. On the other hand his actually policy has made no change at all other than continue our status quo. The status quo being the problem. The rich claim they hate him, yet he has done nothing but protect the rich. The middle class and poor complain every now and then but relax when he says something nice.

      The problem is not Obama, the problem is those Eastern folks that everybody spent the 50s and 60s fear mongering about. They really did infiltrate us and have been dictating out politics for at least the past three decades. Or ever since Nixon took office and Kissinger became the SoS.

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      Confused here... If Obama backed up his words with actions, I wouldn't have much of a problem with him. On one hand I don't trust his administration given established facts that goes against the ideology he claimed to support. On the other hand, the Iran thing, I can tell the administration had been stalling. But I do not trust that this does not mean there won't be war.

    • As others here have said, people will see what they want to see. Whoever wrote that speech for Obama is a keeper. And Obama himself is an excellent speaker. His actions are often not backed up by words though.

      Not disagreeing with you either, hophmi. Even some of the Zionist right will see what is not there and perhaps even call it incitement. Like the 1967 borders statement last year. To be fair, I am not reading anything of the sort so far. Even Caroline Glick is amazingly okay with Obama's statements. Quite odd indeed.

    • Which is also a reason why warfare is not out of the question in an election year. It will not derail his campaign. Obama has no competition in the eyes of public opinion. He will be the POTUS until 2017.

      That means he can afford these statements. He can also afford a war in Iran or Syria. He can also afford to play hardball with Netanyahu and I hope that he really does.

    • "I will veto that bill" (signs bill anyways)

      Obama fails to back up his words with actions. I'll give him a teeny tiny bit of credit though for pissing off Netanyahu and Israel. Because this will piss them off not unlike the "1967 borders" remark last year.

      At this point Obama need not worry about being an election year either. The GOP is a mess. Low turnout, no standout candidate, and the guy in the (narrow) lead has extremely low approval ratings among Republican voters. He's also a Mormon meaning the significant chunk of red states has to vote for that other guy. Adelson's Newt can't buy success. Ron Paul hasn't won a state but he won delegates and has shook the thing up (his voters won't be voting for anybody else). It's a mess. Meaning Obama is a sure-thing as far as re-election is concerned so he can say things like this and get away with it even if the lobby and Bibi don't like it.

      Again, they're just words. The administrations actions indicate nothing has changed. The status quo. If his words did jeopardize his political position, he could always free Pollard and win brownie points. Probably would do that too....

  • What’s queer about the anti-occupation movement?
    • Well it is quite strange to waste so much money and resources just so 500 or so violent religious fanatics can live there.

      Much has been written about the massacre you mention, but few Zionist sources are even interested in examining the cause. The cause was not irrational hatred for Jews. Zionists - not indigenous Jews - were the target. To put it quite simply, not that they deserved it but they were asking for it. Just like any slaughtered colonial Americans by the indigenous natives. You reap what you sow. Always the effect without ever mentioning the cause. Contrary to popular belief, Muslim Arabs and Jews are not mortal enemies. Islam doesn't encourage people to kill Jews. People are not born with irrational hatred. There is always a reason. Not saying there is a good reason, but there is a reason why the Hebron settlers are not exactly well-liked. They are terrible neighbors who commit terror and get away with it and have a special security agreement to protect them.

      Hebron has always been an obstacle to the 'peace process' and the settlers have no right to live there. No right at all. Not even on religious grounds because too much stuff in Palestine has wrongly been attributed to biblical places as a means for Zionists to claim the land. I've read claims that the Cave of the Patriarchs was either a Hindu (Lotus flower entrance) temple or more likely and Edomite temple.

  • Netanyahu says, You also refused to bomb Auschwitz
    • Collective national consciousness and guilt. Essentially blaming us for tragic events which happened before many of us were born. I can't help but feel like Bibi is pointing a finger saying "you did this... you owe us"

      A few Ultra-Orthodox Rabbis were saying the war in Iraq was payback for Babylonian captivity. What's the statute of limitations on national collective consciousness? Babylon hasn't existed for thousands of years.

      The US is not the world's police. The US doesn't owe anybody anything. I take that back, it owes Iraq (along with many others) an apology. Israel constantly calling for the US to do their dirty work really is the tale wagging the dog.

    • Poor analogy. There is a fairly large population of Persian Jews living safely in Iran. Their population figures are consistently deflated to make it look as if their numbers are even lower than there are. There are more Jews in Iran than Zoroastrianists.

  • Blasting Obama as 'blurred,' McConnell assures Israel lobby that bipartisan Congress will authorize 'overwhelming force' against Iran
    • What exactly is that same interest? The Netanyahu government is a coalition with a Neo-Soviet political party made up of former Soviets who share Neo-Soviet ideology (Yisrael Beiteinu).

      I was under the impression that since the fall of the USSR, the West has been trying to Westernize the East and the former Soviet states. The ideology that Debra "I hate all Iranians" Cagan subscribes to along with all the Neocons. East vs. West. The nuclear thing is just an excuse.

    • Apparently they even sign an agreement to do their bidding. Don't know if that's true or not, but I wouldn't doubt it. Congress is antiquated. You can fly from NJ to CA, the length of i-80, in about four hours.

      Back when there was an actual need for a state representation in Washington, four hours is about how long it took to get to DC from Baltimore. As long as Congress is Congress, and as long as Congress is corrupt by AIPAC and other big corporations and lobbies, the POTUS is virtually powerless.

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