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I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Israel's prosecution of Ahed Tamimi is blaming the victim
    • "Who slapped first" is nothing more than Zionist distraction from the fact that for almost 70 years the religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel has been militarily-occupying and colonizing not-Israel - and subjugating, expelling, torturing and/or killing non-Jews - deliberately, unapologetically and with American-backed impunity.

  • Israeli prosecutors try to make Ahed Tamimi a terrorist
    • || Nathan: ... The next step should be a clear declaration that the goal is an end of conflict. I don’t think that the Palestinians will be willing to declare their intention to reach an end of conflict deal with Israel, and so few of their western supporters (if any) can imagine an end of conflict with Israel. No one is going to implement a “fair compromise” that isn’t final. ... ||

      I agree that the Palestinians should present an "end of conflict" goal to Israel and to the world. Problem is, no matter how fair or reasonable a goal is presented by the Palestinians, Zionists and their supporters will deem it unfair (and likely also anti-Semitic) if it:
      - does not acknowledge and accept the Zionist-claimed "right" of Jews to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine;
      - does include expectations of justice, accountability and equality.

    • || Mooser: “NK and Israel are both nuts because of war trauma.”

      North Korea was bombed until almost nothing was left standing by US forces in the Korean War. ||

      Sure, the U.S. bombed the f*ck out of North Korea - the world's only North Korean state - but Israel is being singled out!

    • || Jon66: Eljay,
      I understand that you think ‘n’ should be3-4, but would 1 be legit? ||

      I think 'n' should be whatever a(n ideally) secular and democratic government decides it should be. If the government of Israel were to decide that it should be 1, I'd have no problem with that.

      Just to be clear: IMO preferential immigration ("PI") rights are a separate issue from the right of refugees to return to their homes and lands. So while PI rights might be limited to 1 generation, the right of return of non-Jewish and Jewish refugees from Israel should be whatever international law says it should be.

    • || Jon66: Eljay,
      “secular and democratic Israel”

      I agree with you that I want to live in a secular democracy. ... I agree that democracy and secularism hold significant benefits. ... ||

      I'm glad we agree. :-)

      || “all people indigenous to and up to n-generations removed from Israel”
      Can we define ‘n’ =1 and indigenous = being those born in a place? ||

      IMO:
      - Indigenous means "inhabiting a place at any given time". For example, Palestinians were indigenous to Palestine at the time of Partition. Jewish citizens of Russia and Poland were not.
      - "n" is whatever a country decides it should be. I believe it's usually three or four generations but if Israel wants to extend preferential citizenship and immigration rights to Jews up to, say, 100 generations removed from Israel that's fine as long as it extends the same preferential rights to non-Jews up to 100 generations removed from Israel.

    • || Jon66: ... I would like to see two independent states to fulfill the needs of both peoples. ... ||

      By which every individual Zionist like you ...
      i) ... does not mean:
      - a secular and democratic Israel for all people indigenous to and up to n-generations removed from Israel; and
      - a secular and democratic Palestine for all people indigenous to and up to n-generations removed from Palestine.

      ii) ... does mean:
      - as large as possible a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews; and
      - something for Palestinians including most if not all of the non-Jewish refugees from Israel.

      People all over the world - citizens of homelands throughout the world - who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of "Jewish" are not entitled to a (religion-)supremacist state anywhere in the world.

    • || Mooser: ... Who the hell do you think was there to be killed by the Zionist terrorists except civilians? ||

      Yeah, but, y'see, the difference is that while MooslimArabs do evil, Zionists only do "necessary evil".

      So if Zionists were killing civilians as a prelude to establishing a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine:
      - it must've been necessary; and, in all likelihood,
      - those crafty MooslimArabs - who hate Jews more than they love their own children - made the Zionists do it.

    • ... The five counts, as reported by Haaretz, include: “Threatening a soldier, attacking a soldier under aggravated circumstances, interfering with a soldier carrying out his duties, incitement, and throwing objects at individuals or property”. ...

      Much like Zionists, defenders of the rapist are extremely upset that any one of the women chained in his basement would dare to:
      - threaten the rapist;
      - attack the rapist under aggravated circumstances;
      - interfere with the rapist carrying out his duties;
      - undertake incitement; or
      - throw objects at individuals or property.

      Why, wonder the defenders, can't these women just lie back and enjoy the ride?

      Why, wonder Zionists, can't non-Jews in geographic Palestine just lie back and let Jewish supremacists (Zionists) breed with them?

  • 'We have taken Jerusalem off the table' -- Trump bullies Palestinians
    • || Emet: The more Jerusalem is placed under the microscope, the more the ignorant will come to understand the historic importance this city has to the Jewish people, an importance that far out-dates claims by Arabs and Muslims. ||

      The hateful and immoral are those who refuse to understand that any "historic importance" of Jerusalem to Jews does not grant to Jews the right to do evil.

    • || RoHa: Interesting, though not too cheery, article by the Saker.

      https://thesaker.is/2018-war-or-no-war/ ... ||

      ... [US decision makers] ... profoundly believe in four fundamental things:

      1. We can buy anybody
      2. Those we cannot buy, we bully
      3. Those we cannot bully we kill
      4. Nothing can happen to us, we live in total impunity not matter what we do
      ...

      Another set of "shared common values" with Zionists.

      (In geographic Palestine itself, Zionists generally skip steps 1 and 2.)

  • Ahed Tamimi has polarized western opinion -- but stirred some liberals to solidarity
    • ... Robert Martin, the Australian activist, has posted several videos of armed soldiers being belligerent in the Tamimi driveway and asked, “What would you do?” ...

      Mr. Martin cuts nicely through the "who slapped first" bullshit: If Mooslim or Russian or Chinese soldiers were stationed on your driveway as part of an on-going occupation and colonization of the United States, what would you do?

      ... The former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren continues to spew rage over the Palestinian embrace of Ahed Tamimi:

      ... In what democracy would a legislator embrace the attackers of his own country’s soldiers and remain in office? In what democracy would that legislator not be in jail?

      By contrast, Mr. Oren - a hateful and immoral Zionist - deliberately fails to get it: In what democracy should a legislator embrace the military occupation and colonization of a foreign territory?

  • Shmuley Boteach's unhinged attack on Lorde will only help the movement to boycott Israel
    • ... Boteach’s World Values Network ...

      The Zionist values of theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture, murder and supremacism that were previously conflated with "Jewish values" are now being conflated with "world values".

      Zionists can't seem to stop themselves from deliberately undermining international laws and the protections they are meant to afford all people including Jews. Why do Zionists insist on hating Jews so much?!

  • Why Ahed Tamimi's slap is so thrilling to Palestinians
    • || Mayhem: The propaganda machine is happily churning out that the fake news … ||

      That "propaganda machine" has nothing on the Jewish supremacist (Zionist) propaganda machine that has been churning out deliberate lies for decades.

    • || Mayhem: The propaganda machine is happily churning out that the fake news that she is a tender girl of 16 ... ||

      Proud supporters of the rapist can hold their heads up even higher knowing that the age of the victim chained and brutalized in his basement has been misrepresented to the public.

    • || Annie Robbins: did you see this? ||

      Trump: ... We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table ...

      If taking Jersualem "off the table" was supposed to facilitate negotiations, why stop there? Why not just take everything off the table and call it a done deal?

      And I thought Trump was supposed to be some kind of savvy wheeler-dealer. Sad!

    • || Mooser: ... Get ready for lots more slapstick and low comedy. ||

      Past and present collided last week when an extremely rare seal impression discovered in Jerusalem’s Western Wall plaza and bearing the inscription “Belonging to the governor of the city” was presented to Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat. ... At the presentation, Barkat said, “It is very overwhelming to receive greetings from First Temple-period Jerusalem. This shows that already 2,700 years ago, Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, was a strong and central city.” ...

      Stop touching yourself, Mr. Barkat. Israel didn't exist 2,700 years ago. And the seal does not validate Jewish supremacism, the existence of a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" or the past and on-going (war) crimes deliberately and unapologetically committed by Jewish supremacists, none of whom are ancient Israelites.

  • Jewish activist who counseled Lorde on BDS gets the full 'kapo' treatment in the Israeli press
    • || DaBakr: ... Author simple hates the zionist nation of israel and won’t stop hating it until zionism which absolutely means israel is destroyed as a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs ... ||

      That's an interesting way to say you believe that people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || ... and a 23rd state with an islamic majority would be able to-ths time supposedly ‘democratically’-their will over the remaining jews. ... ||

      Nothing wrong with an "islamic majority" state - or even a "jewish majority" state - as long as the state is a secular and democratic state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      A post-Zionist state in Palestine may fail to live up to those expectations. But it may not. We can't know for certain at this time.

      But we do know for certain that a Zionist state has failed miserably to live up to those expectations. Given that you Zionists strenuously insist that it shouldn't live up to those expectations, we can expect the miserable failure to continue.

    • ... “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. ... "

      In his haste to be a complete asshat, Wohl missed the obvious gender difference. So there are at least two differences:
      - male / female; and
      - Israeli / New Zealander.

      What they have in common is their decision to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

    • ... Wohl makes it clear that the essential difference between him and Sachs is precisely this ‘nationalism’:

      “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. You have no nationality. You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”, he writes. ...

      Asshat [sic] Wohl isn't just a hateful and immoral supremacist - he's an obnoxiously-proud hateful and immoral supremacist.

  • 'They would charge us with the crime of being born Palestinian': a report from the latest Tamimi court hearing
    • || Jackdaw: Jackdaw’s are quite intelligent creatures. Did you know that the Nobel Prize winning zoologist, Konrad Lorenz, wrote extensively on the social structure of Jackdaws? ... ||

      Konrad Lorenz:

      ... Lorenz joined the Nazi Party in 1938 and accepted a university chair under the Nazi regime. ... After the war, Lorenz denied having been a party member, until his membership application was made public; and he denied having known the extent of the genocide, despite his position as a psychologist in the Office of Racial Policy.[23] He also denied having ever held antisemitic views, but was later shown to have used frequent antisemitic language in a series of letters to his mentor Heinroth.[24] ...

      Your admiration for Mr. Lorenz - a Nazi party member and anti-Semite - is duly noted.

  • Why liberal Zionists have nothing to say about Ahed Tamimi's slap and arrest
    • || hophmi: In the dark meaning out of views of the cameras, which are a willing participant in this conflict. ||

      If someone were to suggest that a Jew protesting oppression needed to “learn the hard way” that his behaviour was unacceptable and that a “price should be collected” from him “in the dark, without witnesses and cameras”, a Jewish supremacist (Zionist) like hophmi would immediately and justifiably condemn the remark.

      But when a Zionist like Ben Caspit makes the same suggestion about a non-Jew protesting oppression at the hands of Jewish supremacists, ol' hophmi hops right to his co-collectivist's defence with apologetics.

    • || hophmi: Don’t bother these people with facts, Jack. They’re only interested in demonizing Israelis like the antisemites that they are. ||

      Says the Zionist who - as Zionists always do - anti-Semitically conflates Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Israel.

    • || Annie Robbins: the video proves she was hit first by the soldier, so one could easily construe she was protecting herself. ||

      As far as I can tell, Ms. Tamimi wasn't hit first by the soldier. But IMO the "who hit first" discussion is nothing more than a deliberate distraction from the fact that Israeli Occupation and Oppression Forces soldiers were stationed on Tamimi family property in not-Israel for the sole purpose of enforcing the "Jewish State's" on-going military occupation and colonization of not-Israel.

      Zionists - including morons like Jack Green - seem to think that the victim should be punished for lashing out at the rapist.

    • ... Because liberal Zionists still deeply believe in Israel– they are Zionists before everything else– and therefore the first thing they see is the good side of Israel, the fact that a soldier doesn’t respond violently to a girl who is slapping him.

      When they see the world responding with expressions of outraged compassion for the girl, the liberal Zionists would like to join in but they really can’t. Because ultimately, as Zionists, their community is Jewish Israelis; and they know that just about all of Jewish Israel hates Ahed Tamimi, so they can’t really champion her. ...

      Zionists = Jewish supremacists
      Liberal Zionists = "kinder, gentler" Jewish supremacists

      All Zionists - whether hard-core or liberal - want the same thing: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • Writing about what should be done to girls in the dark is incitement to sexual assault -- Shany Littman to Ben Caspit
  • How Ahed Tamimi was slapped first, and why no one is talking about it
  • New Israeli train line with station named after Trump was built on stolen Palestinian land
    • || miriam6: Where in my comment did I justify Israeli actions? ... ||

      In the first sentence, which was pure whataboutery.

      My turn: Where in your comment did you condemn Israeli actions?

      || ... Until I see evidence that Kay24 and Annie and other MW ers are all committed to creating a strong campaign for forcing reparations and return of stolen lands to native Americans from you Americans on MW I will continue to see hypocrisy ... ||

      Fair enough. Meanwhile, please link to your campaign to force reparations and return geographic Palestine to Palestinians. Thanks.

    • || miriam6: And – most of America was built on land stolen from native ppl. ... ||

      You can always count on a Zionist to say: Murderers exist, so it's OK to rape.

  • Israeli court sentences 68-year-old Bedouin citizen to 10 months in prison – for trespassing his own land
    • || DaBakr: ... By now we’ve far surpassed hitler, Assad, the Roman Empire, the Aztec, ww1, the mullahs in Tehran, the North Koreans, Dutch Guyana , red Chinese, Russia, then and now, the Spanish inquisition. ...
      ||

      Dunno about all that, but what I do know - because I have learned it from Zionists - is that Israel:
      - is a "moral beacon", a "light unto the nations" and a "Western-style democracy"; and
      - is not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali, African "hell-holes", China and 19th-century America.

      What I also know - because it's painfully obvious - is that Israel is a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

  • Zionism didn't have to turn out so badly for Palestinians, says Roger Cohen
    • || Mikhael: ... Your ignorance-based opinion is not a fact. ... ||

      But it is a fact that your opinion is supremacism-based.

      || ... It’s a national identity ... ||

      If you say so. But it's actually a religion-based identity acquired by:
      – undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      – being descended from someone who underwent a religious-conversion to Judaism.

      No Judaism, no Jewish.

      || ... Too bad for you that you’re too stupid to understand this. ... ||

      I'm starting to think you're hitting on me.

      || ... It was envisioned as a Jewish state ... ||

      Right: Israel was envisioned as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      || ... Since Jewish does not exclusively refer to “religion” ... ||

      I never said it did. I said it's a religion-based identity...which it is.

      || ... You have failed to substantiate your allegation that Israel is a Jewish state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews. ||

      There's nothing "allegation" about it. Israel was envisioned as, established as, has been operating since Day 1 as and is constantly promoted as a "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      And since Jewish is a religion-based identity, a state that exists primarily of and for people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who choose to embrace that identity is a religion-supremacist state.

    • || Mikhael: ... I have the feeling he’s got far less than 40 years. In any case, he’ll most likely be dead soon. ||

      Today must be "Charm Day" at ZioHQ.

    • || Mikhael: For the vast majority of people who identify as Jews today, Jewish identity is a national and ethnic identity ... ||

      That's nice. But the fact remains that it's a religion-based identity acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious-conversion to Judaism.

      || ... Because you are a simpleton ... ||

      You say the sweetest things. :-)

      || ... Incorrect. There are many secular, non-believing, atheist and/or agnostic Jews (such as yours truly) who do not believe in Judaism. ... ||

      That's nice. But the fact remains that it's a religion-based identity acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious-conversion to Judaism.

      || ... My paternal grandfather was from a Mizrahi Jewish family originating from today’s Syria (Aleppo and Damascus) and my great grandparents (my father’s paternal grandparents) moved to Jerusalem at the end of the 19th century. ... ||

      And catalan is Bulgarian, hails from Spain (he guesses) and lives in New Mexico. Like I said: Some Jews can truthfully claim that geographic Palestine is their ancestral homeland. The rest can only fancifully make the claim. Too bad for you that you don’t like it.

      || ... Too bad for you if you’re too stupid to understand this. ... ||

      Stop it - you're making me blush! :-D

      || ... Incorrect. It was envisioned as a Jewish state, with a Jewish national culture, and with absolute freedom of religion (and freedom FROM religion) and equal rights for all citizens of the state whatever their ethnicity or national background, Jewish or otherwise. Non-Jewish Israeli citizens have rights as Israeli citizens that Jews from abroad who are not Israeli citizens do not have, and will not have, unless and until they claim Israeli citizenship under Israel’s Law of Return. ||

      Like I said: It was envisioned and established and has been operating since it inception as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

    • || Mikhael: ... “Jewish” is primarily an ethnic-based, national identity that can exist independently of “religion”. ... ||

      Jewish is a religion-based identity that is acquired:
      - by undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      The Jewish identity exists because of Judaism. No Judaism, no Jewish.

      || ... Jews in Canada and the USA and Australia who were born or raised in or immigrated to can claim those countries as their homeland and they can can also truthfully state that the Land of Israel is their ancestral homeland ... ||

      Some Jews can truthfully claim that geographic Palestine is their ancestral homeland. The rest can only fancifully make the claim. Too bad for you that you don’t like it.

      || ... The modern State of Israel has never existed as religion-supremacist “Jewish State” ... ||

      It was envisioned and established and has been operating since it inception as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

    • || Mikhael: He’s an old fart who’ll be dead soon with no issue. He’s in his 60s ... Let’s say he manages to reach his 100s through healthy habits ... “Mooser” will be dead in a few decades’ time at the most ... ||

      When someone threatens suggests that a person will be dead "soon", 40 years is not the time-frame that usually comes to mind.

      Guy: You'll be dead soon.
      Other guy: What?
      Guy: You'll be dead soon. In the dark, without witnesses and cameras.
      Other guy: What the hell? Are you threatening me?
      Guy: What? No, no, not at all. I was just saying that in approximately 40 years you'll die of natural causes late at night in a quiet hospital room. What else could I have possibly meant?

    • || Mikhael: ... You, however, have excluded yourself from the Jewish People ... ||

      "Jewish people" are people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish. AFAIK, Mooser hasn't decided to stop being Jewish and you haven't managed to excommunicate him.

      || ... It is of course your right as a free individual who lives outside the Jewish homeland ... ||

      Geographic Palestine is not the homeland of every person in the world who has chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish. Neither is Israel.

      Countries all over the world are the homelands of their Jewish - and non-Jewish - citizens.

      || ... For Zionism to survive, it doesn’t need Evangelical Christian support nor does it really need Diaspora Jewish support, but of course it needs Jewish support in Israel and it will survive as long as the vast majority of Israeli citizens are Hebrew-speaking Jews who love their homeland and desire that the State of Israel will continue to have a Jewish national character. ... ||

      Of course: As long as there exist sufficient - and sufficiently influential - Jewish supremacists to ensure the existence of Israel as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State", Israel will continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      At some point - maybe a Thousand Years from now, maybe less - sufficient Jewish supremacists will not exist and neither will religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • || Mikhael:

      Mooser ...

      ... You’ll be dead soon ... ||

      Whoa. Looks like Larry Derfner isn't the only guy Mooser needs to watch out for.

    • || yonah fredman @ December 27, 2017, 4:37 pm ||

      To summarize: The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands so that a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" could be established in (as much as possible of) geographic Palestine was a "necessary evil" but "currently its (sic) not necessary".

    • ... In the end the price of Jewish statehood has been heavy: the exile of another people, the Palestinians. More than a half-century of occupation of the West Bank has corroded Israeli democracy. This was not inevitable and is still not irreparable. No doubt, these themes will be prominent in Schama’s next volume. At a time of facile anti-Zionism spilling sometimes into outright anti-Semitism, Schama has made an eloquent and a far-reaching case for why Jews needed a small piece of earth they could call home. ...

      I think the classy Zionist phrase Mr. Cohen is searching for here is "necessary evil".

  • Israeli journalist who called for unspeakable acts against Ahed Tamimi tries, and fails, to backpedal
    • || Mayhem: ... Gone too far to the point that the actions are counter-productive, mostly because they stimulate (actively stimulate, maybe even intentionally stimulate) the fear of “what will they do if they are in power?”

      The significance of assiduously moral forms of resistance, non-violent in the meaning of non-harming not just in range of tactic, is that the actions stimulate admiration, rather than generating rational fear. ... ||

      The victim chained in the basement has gone too far. She used to just scream and cry, but recently she started slapping and punching the rapist and that stimulates (actively stimulates, maybe even intentionally stimulates) fear of "what will she do if she is liberated?"

      She should have stuck to assiduously moral forms of resistance like screaming and crying. Those actions stimulated admiration - rather than fear - in the rapist.

    • || Marnie: Hi eljay, I didn’t read all the comments before I wrote caspit is the ‘real victim’ here. ||

      No worries. It's not bewildering to me that we'd arrive at the same conclusion about Mr. Caspit. :-)

    • ... Caspit is bewildered as to how people (of the “social media masses”) could possibly have misunderstood him so badly ...

      According to a Google translation of the original article:

      ... In the case of the girls, the price should be collected on another occasion, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras.

      The Tamimi family needs to learn the hard way that such systematic provocations against IDF soldiers will cost them dearly ...

      If someone were to publicly suggest that Mr. Caspit needed to "learn the hard way" that his behaviour was unacceptable and that a "price should be collected" from him "in the dark, without witnesses and cameras", he'd have no problem "misunderstanding" the comment to be a threat of violence against him.

      But because he made the threat, he's a "victim". When, really, he's just an asshole.

  • Pop star 'Lorde' honors BDS call, cancels Tel Aviv concert
    • || eljay: ... I do agree that you, catalan and other Zionists should form an anti-Russia BDS movement and urge Lorde to cancel her Russia gig. ... ||

      Come to think of it, jon s, you can't count on catalan's assistance. It bothered him - a Bulgarian who hails from Spain (he guesses) and lives in New Mexico - that Lorde cancelled a gig that she was offered so he's unlikely to help you urge her to cancel a second, offered gig.

      But you may be able to get him to help you urge Lorde to cancel the gigs she has not been offered by North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Best of luck! :-)

    • || jon s: I see from her website that Lorde will be performing in Russia. Does that mean that she supports Russian government policy and actions? Why not demand that she cancel there? ||

      I have no idea if Lorde supports Russian government policy and actions but I do agree that you, catalan and other Zionists should form an anti-Russia BDS movement and urge Lorde to cancel her Russia gig.

      You may get flack for singling out the world's only Russian state - a state that its defenders will tell you isn't nearly as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali, et al. - but don't let that deter you.

    • || Mayhem: Self-inflicted. ... ||

      The man wanted to share her body. The woman repeatedly refused to share it. It's her own "self-inflicted" fault that she finds herself chained and brutally abused in the rapist's basement.

      And who better than the rapist's dear friend to validate his claim?

  • Israel has transferred Ahed Tamimi to three different detention facilities in the last five days even though she has not yet been charged with a crime
    • In the five days since her arrest, Israeli authorities have attempted to coerce confession from Ahed, a minor, without access to a lawyer or a parent (her mother Nariman was herself arrested when she arrived to accompany her daughter during questioning); moved her from the occupied West Bank across the 1949 armistice line, also known as the “Green Line,” in contravention of international law; and transferred the sleep deprived teenager between at least three different detention centers and prisons. ...

      "Jewish State" supremacists (Zionists) wear Captain Israel underpants. They ain't taking no shit from nobody!

  • The New York Times tries to make the Ahed Tamimi story go away
    • || catalan: You don’t know what I am talking about? Ok, I will try to dumb it down. I am bringing up the irony of refusing to play in Israel while she is not allowed to play in any Arab country including Gaza. Get it? ... ||

      Got it:
      - The "moral beacon" and "light unto the nations" state of Israel should further emulate Saudi Arabia, Mali, African "hell-holes", China and 19th century America and stop offering gigs to foreigners so as to avoid boycotts.
      - Lorde and other artists should firmly refuse to play gigs in (war) criminal states that have not offered them any.

  • 'We should exact a price' from Ahed Tamimi 'in the dark,' Israeli journalist says
    • ... But a prominent journalist had a somewhat more cunning suggestion:

      “In the case of the girls, we should exact a price at some other opportunity, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras”,

      Ben Caspit wrote in his article (Hebrew) on Tuesday. ...

      Every day and in every way, Zionists do their best to undermine international laws and human rights and the protections they are meant to afford all people including Jews.

      Why do Zionists insist on hating Jews so much?!

  • A day after UN vote on Jerusalem, Israeli aggression intensifies in the West Bank
    • Another day, another round of "necessary evil" committed in not-Israel by Israeli Occupation and Oppression Forces.

      Thank gawd jon s can tolerate this. Just don't insult his hummus.

  • The never-ending crisis of Zionism
    • || jon s: ... I’ve always supported Palestinian rights. ... ||

      As far as I can tell, the only Palestinian rights you have always supported are:
      - the right of Palestinians to be driven from their homes and lands to make way for a religion-supremacist "Jewish State";
      - the right of Palestinian refugees from Israel not to return to their homes and lands;
      - the right of Palestinian Israelis to live as second-class citizens in a religion-supremacist "Jewish State"; and
      - the right of Palestinians not to hold Zionist (war) criminals accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

      You have always supported Zionist "peace", but never justice, accountability and equality.

    • || Steve Grover: Lorde will reverse course and will wind up singing in Israel because BDS against Israel is a constant failure. She’ll even ask for forgiveness from her Israeli fans. ||

      You make it sound like The Protocols of the Elders of Zionism.

    • || catalan: ... She should go further and sing in Gaza, you know, in support of Palestine. I am sure over there the girls would love her songs of lust and western decadence. Hamas would surely embrace her, now that she has shown her distaste for the Zionist entity. Consistency and all. ||

      For a Bulgarian who hails from Spain (you guess) and lives in New Mexico, you sound awfully bitter about one young woman's boycott of a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State". Your inner Zionist is showing.

    • || jon s: ... No Jew is an invader in the Jewish historic homeland . ... ||

      Geographic Palestine is not the "historic homeland" of every person in the world who chooses to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel - either within its / Partition borders or colonially and (war) criminally outside of its / Partition borders - is not the "historic homeland" of every person in the world who chooses to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

    • || Neil Schipper: ... Tiny Israel, with roughly 1/1000 of the world’s population, enrages “the world”, most of whose political elites are forced to confront the spectacle of a teenage girl from an aggrieved community slapping, before waiting cameras, an armed guardian of the state, with the guardian remaining calm and composed… demonstrating social and political relations of a moral character these other nations are many generations away from achieving. ||

      Tiny Jim, roughly 1/8000000000 of the world's population, enrages "the world", most of whose citizens are forced to confront the spectacle of an aggrieved teenage girl slapping, in his YouTube video, the knife-wielding rapist...sorry, the "armed guardian of the female", with the rapist...sorry, the "guardian" remaining calm and composed... demonstrating social and interpersonal relations of a moral character other people are many generations away from achieving.

    • || Emet: It would seem that most Jews, also on the Left, understand that especially in the Middle East, Israel is up against a formidable enemy who has to be blamed for a lot of what has occured over the past 120 years. ... ||

      Setting aside for the moment your Zionist "murderers exist so it's OK to rape" justification, who is this "formidable enemy" and for what multitude of things is s/he to blame?

      Anyway, why are "most Jews" afraid of anything? Zionists insist that Israel is powerful and will last a Thousand Years.

      || ... They also hold thoughts that the Palestinians and their Arab brothers will never accept a Jewish State. ... ||

      Makes sense: Palestinians and their "Arab brothers" shouldn't have to accept the existence of a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine. No-one should have to accept the existence of any type of suprepmacist state anywhere in the world.

  • Palestinians celebrate resounding Trump and Israel failure at the UN
    • ... Israel’s ambassador to the UN accused the world body’s members of being “puppets” to the “Palestinian puppet masters” ...

      Mr. Danon should be reprimanded for "Protocols of the Elders of Palestine" hate-mongering hypocrisy.

    • JERUSALEM IS THE CAPITAL OF PALESTINE!

      IMO, Jerusalem should be:
      - a Free City if the I-P conflict is resolved by a two-state solution; or
      - the capital of whatever (preferably non-supremacist) entity results from a one-state solution.

  • How a Palestinian girl from an occupied village emasculated the Israeli army
    • || jon s: ... The only realistic option for achieving Israeli-Palestinian peace is still partition, two states. It’s still the only option which is both politically possible (just barely…) and morally sound. ||

      A two-state solution is not the only realistic option for resolving the I-P conflict. And the Zionist version of a two-state solution is not remotely "morally sound" (you Zionists sure do love to re-define words) because it:
      - allows Israel to remain a religion-supremacist state;
      - allows Israel to keep most of what it has stolen, occupied and colonized;
      - absolves Israel of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR); and
      - absolves Israel of responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes.

  • Trump threatens to cut aid to countries voting against Jerusalem decision at UN
    • ... “The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out in this assembly ... ”

      Yeah, wow, imagine the horror of being the "world's only (United States of) American state" and getting "singled out" in an assembly.

      It's way worse than being the world's only Iraqi / Afghani / Syrian / Yemeni states and getting singled out by the U.S. and/or its allies for devastation and/or regime change.

      Aggressor-victimhood: Another one of America's and Israel's "shared common values".

    • ... On Twitter, Haley continued the threats, tweeting out:

      "At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. ... "

      The proposal to move the embassy to Occupied Jerusalem is "the will of the American people"? When did Americans vote on this specific proposal?

      Or is Haley saying that because Trump was elected president anything he does represents "the will of the American people"?

      If Trump decides to slaughter millions of civilians by nuking North Korea, will that also be "the will of the American people"?

      Who will hold the American people accountable - and how will they be held accountable - for (war) crimes that are committed by the Trump administration at "the will of the American people"?

  • Two more Tamimi family members are said to be arrested, as Ahed, 16, appears in court
    • || Misterioso: @Jackdaw

      We get it. You can’t handle the ugly truth.

      Here’s more of it: ...

      ... "Tamimi was supposed to fall in love with the soldier who invaded her house, to toss rice at him ... " ||

      It's true - just ask JeffB:

      ... If the Palestinians act like Israelis they won't be a perceived as a demographic threat and the Jewish Israelis will breed with them ...

    • ... “This was a severe incident ... ,” said Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. ...

      I agree with Mr. Rosenfeld that this was a severe incident: "Jewish State" military goons were in not-Israel trespassing on private, not-Israeli property.

    • || Jackdaw: Another whirl around the vortex guys?
      Count me out. ||

      ...says the first person to post a comment on the story. You, sir, a very amusing! :-)

  • Israeli forces shoot boy in face, arrest cousin for protesting, her mother for looking into it
    • || Emet: ... when it comes to issues that are anti-Jewish, anything goes. ||

      No kidding. Zionists, for example, can't seem to get enough of anti-Semitically conflating Zionism and the "Jewish State" project with all Jews and all Jews with Zionism and the "Jewish State" project.

  • Michael Oren says Palestinian activists stage 'kids in American clothes' to provoke Israeli army
    • || Jon66: Have you seen the video? Two soldiers standing there ... ||

      Have you read the story? Two Israeli Occupation Forces soldiers standing there in not-Israel enforcing Israel's decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of not-Israeli territory.

    • It's nice to see Michael Oren whataboutistically concerned that a not-Israeli family may not be a family ("We don't know. We don't know.") even as his "eternal homeland's" Occupation and Oppression Forces continue to enforce the "Jewish State's" military occupation and colonization of not-Israeli territory and multi-faceted brutalization of not-Israelis.

  • In video tours of Palestine, Nas Daily plays native informant
    • || JJ: Most reasonable and non-radical people in the world are 2-staters. ||

      Thank you. I agree that two states...
      - based on Partition borders; and
      - defined, established and existing as secular and democratic states of and for their respective citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally,
      ...is a reasonable and non-radical solution to the I-P conflict.

    • || catalan: ... I hail from Spain, I guess. ... ||

      Except for when you don't:

      ... For me, I am a dual citizen; I am New Mexican ... I am Bulgarian ...

      ... As to your comment that I am not a Bulgarian living in the U.S., it speaks of jealously. ... Piotr here can tell I am Bulgarian. ...

      ... I am Bulgarian. ...

    • || catalan: ... I have never heard of a pizza without tomato sauce. ... ||

      Crazy as this may seem, things exist which you have not heard of: ITALIAN PIZZA BIANCA/WHITE

      I'll "pull a catalan" for a moment and point out that my mom - an Italian woman born and raised in Italy - used to make a very tasty potato pizza which, traditionally, never had a drop of sauce on it.

      || ... It would be a bread and cheese sandwich. ... ||

      A bread and cheese sandwich isn't pizza - it's a bread and cheese sandwich.

      || ... You take the dough and you spread tomato sauce on it, that’s the minimum. ... ||

      No, that's the minimum for a tomato-sauce pizza.

      || ... I suppose one CAN make anything, but pizza traditionally has tomato sauce. ... ||

      It's funny how you insist on doubling down even when you're undeniably and provably wrong.

    • || catalan: On cultural appropriation and pizza, actually a necessary ingredient in pizza is tomato ... ||

      Incorrect. Tomato is not a "necessary ingredient in pizza". Tasty pizza can be made just fine without tomato.

    • || jon s: Wow, lighten up, folks, my hummus comment was meant to be at least half-humorous. ... ||

      I was hoping that you were just kidding but I honestly wasn't sure that you were.

    • || jon s: ... Hummus which is made in Israel, sold in Israel and consumed in Israel is, by definition, Israeli hummus. ... ||

      Children who were made in "Jewish State", raised in "Jewish State" and who live and work in "Jewish State" should, by definition, be Jewish. It's outrageous and insulting that there's no such thing as bureaucratic Jewish nationality in "Jewish State".

      || ... I’ll tolerate a lot, but not insults to our hummus. ||

      This is definitely one of your more petty comments.

  • US vetoes UN resolution on Jerusalem, as Muslim states recognize East Jerusalem as Palestine's capital
    • || Mayhem: Funny how nobody bothered to complain when East Jerusalem was under Jordanian rule and synagogues were being destroyed and holy sites desecrated. ||

      It appears that you were attempting to link to this Wiki page which starts off with the following statement:

      Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation is what occurred during the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank between 1948–1967 ...

      I didn't complain because that was before my time. And I'm pretty sure MW wasn't around back then, either.

      But perhaps your point is merely (and Zionistically): "Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews."

    • || eljay: ... Kim Jong-Il is doing a freakin’ amazing job. ... ||

      Sorry, Kim Jong-Un is doing a freakin' amazing job. (His dad did a freakin' amazing job.)

    • || Mayhem: ... Just love all the denouncements of Nikki Haley. Goes to show she must be doing a great job. ... ||

      If denouncements are an indicator of good work, Kim Jong-Il is doing a freakin' amazing job.

      || ... Furthermore the OIC and its lackeys have demonstrated total hypocrisy by criticising America’s decision, while at the same time declaring East Jerusalem as the capital of ‘Palestine’. ||

      I agree. Jerusalem should be a Free City, its status / fate determined democratically by its indigenous inhabitants. I'm glad we agree that Israel must end and roll-back its on-going occupation and colonization of Jerusalem.

  • 'Trump's a crazy man, but I like it' -- the view from Jerusalem
    • || Citizen: ... So the latest $38 billion Obama gave to Israel is 0? Further, he allowed the Israelis to expand their settlements during his entire eight years as POTUS, though at the end he abstained from the UN SC vote declaring such activity illegal. ||

      Yeah, but what has he done for the "Jewish State" lately?

    • || catalan: ... The audacity of Jon to want to live elsewhere from where he was born. ... I was born in Sofia. ... In Mooser’s world, everybody stays where they were born. ||

      I get that you were using Mooser's comment as an excuse to talk about yourself (again), but he didn't say or even imply that jon s should not "want to live elsewhere from where he was born".

    • A recent survey by the American Jewish Committee ...

      "American Jewish Committee" instead of "American Committee of the Jews"? That's weird. Let's see what AJC CEO David Harris has to say:

      ... “Particularly striking in our new survey is the fact that attitudes toward the president, both pro and con, have remained largely static since Election Day, and within the Jewish community the discrepancy between the Orthodox and other Jewish denominations on most questions is pronounced,” said AJC CEO David Harris. ...

      "Jewish community" instead of "community of the Jews"
      "Jewish denominations" instead of "denominations of the Jews"

      What on Earth is going on here?! Jews everywhere seem to be afraid of "defining the Jews as a collective entity"!

    • ... Further down the street, 50-year-old Ronit Levi agrees on the crazy aspect. “He has a lot of passion. Trump’s a crazy man, but I like it. I think he does things others are afraid to do,” Levi said. ...

      I would be wary of cheering on crazy men who do things others are afraid to do.

      ... Avi Samat, 39, a kitchen worker and Orthodox Jew, is a clear supporter of Trump. “He’s good for the Jewish ...

      "Good for the Jewish"? Why, it's like this guy has "special grammar in order to refrain from saying 'Jews', apparently for fear of defining the Jews as a collective entity".

      Isn't that right, Nathan?

  • Detained Palestinian teen in viral photo to be sentenced in a court with a 99.74 percent conviction rate
    • || Bumblebye: ... 16 year old Ahed Tamimi has been arrested ... ||

      Yup, how dare a not-Israeli girl in not-Israel provoke Israeli Occupation and Oppression Forces goons. Luckily the "commander acted professionally by not being dragged into [the use of] violence." You can't have Israeli Occupation and Oppression Forces goons being unprofessional while they enforce Israel's decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of not-Israel.

  • Israel opens an investigation into army for killing double-amputee in Gaza
    • || Kate: The IDF has an interesting view of morality. Shooting helpless people is apparently OK, but stealing??? That is a terrible moral failure. ... ||

      It kind of makes sense (in a twisted, Zionist way): Unlike AyrabMooslims, those apples have never presented a threat to "Jewish State" colonialism and supremacism so their rights deserve to be respected.

  • Israeli Jews 'will never accept' giving vote to Palestinians -- liberal Zionist leader
    • || Nathan: ... The Jewish state exists because the Jews living in Israel insist that there be a Jewish state. ... ||

      The White State exists because the Whites living in the United States of America insist that there be a White State. Fuck the non-Jewish Israelis and non-White Americans.

      Thank you for so clearly underscoring the supremacist nature of "Jewish State".

    • || Brewer @ December 18, 2017, 5:59 pm ||

      +1 to Maghlawatan's praise for your post.

      Liberal Zionists are just "kinder, gentler" supremacists. They beat their breasts and speak conciliatory-sounding words like "peace" but like their harder-core co-collectivists they believe in:
      - Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - absolution of responsibility and accountability (for past and on-going (war) crimes committed) and of obligations (under international law).

    • || Nathan: ... The Jewish state ... a Jewish state. ... a Jewish state ... Jewish statehood ... a Jewish state ... the Jewish public ... the Jewish state ... the Jewish religion ... the Jewish people ... the American Jewish community ... Jewish identity ... ||

      Dude, that is one serious bout of special grammar in order to refrain from saying “Jews”, apparently for fear of defining the Jews as a collective entity! You need to get help.

    • With Sasson - as with all Zionists, liberal or otherwise - everything boils down to preserving Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      Evil is virtue and real virtue - justice, accountability and equality - is evil.

  • Anti-Christianism
    • || yonah fredman: ... Thus Jews who hold onto their names (first names I would say more than last names ...), their dress ... i would say, their food ... i would say and their language ... I would say. then those Jews ... will survive their presence in the nations and still survive as a unit. ... ||

      Well there you have it: A supremacist "Jewish State" is not required in order for people who choose to be Jews to be Jews, I would say.

    • || Nathan: … Anyway, it was interesting … that eljay didn’t feel the need to protest and to remind us that Israel is a state of believers in the Jewish religion. ... ||

      || eljay: Ask and ye shall receive. ||

      Hmmm...well, not quite. I've never said that "Israel is a state of believers in the Jewish religion." I've said that Jewish is a religion-based identity and that a "Jewish State" of Israel is primarily of and for people who have chosen to embrace that identity.

    • || Nathan: ... There’s no understanding why anyone would complain about founding a state for a particular people. ... ||

      States should exists as secular and democratic representations of the people living in and up to n-generations removed from a geographic region.

      A Palestinian state of and for Palestinians make sense. An Israeli state primarily for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews - IOW, a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - does not make sense.

      I understand why you - a Jewish supremacist (Zionist) - wouldn't complain about the obvious difference.

      || ... Anyway, it was interesting ... that eljay didn’t feel the need to protest and to remind us that Israel is a state of believers in the Jewish religion. ... ||

      Ask and ye shall receive.

    • || jon s: eljay, Potiphar certainly was married . His wife tried to seduce Joseph. ||

      That's nice. But I wrote "Potipherah" ("priest of On" ), not "Potiphar" ("an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard").

    • || eljay: ... suddenly he becomes “Potipherah priest of On”, a married man with a daughter he is prepared to gift to a stranger. Interesting. ... ||

      Corrected.

    • || jon s: Incidentally, this is part of Rashi’s commentary on Gen. 41:45, regarding Potiphera:

      Poti-phera: He is Potiphar, but he was called Poti-phera because he became emasculated since he desired Joseph for homosexual relations. (Based on the Bavli, Sotah ,13b)

      So, according to this interpretation, both Potiphar’s wife and Potiphar himself, desired Joseph sexually but he ended up marrying their daughter. ||

      "Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard" - who, as far as we know, is unmarried and without children - is emasculated by angels and suddenly he becomes "Potipherah priest of On", a married man with a daughter he is prepared to gift to a stranger. Interesting.

      Then again, for all we know Joseph was also gay and simply refused to acknowledge his homosexuality.

    • || eljay: ... And that’s why I was surprised that jon s managed to conclude that the half-sentence in which a woman is given as a gift to a man describes a “mixed marriage” like Phil’s. ||

      To phrase it differently and perhaps more correctly: ... And that’s why I was surprised that Phil's mention of his marriage to a non-Jew made jon s think of a half-sentence in the Bible in which a woman is given as a gift to a man.

    • || Danaa: Com’on eljay – the entire old testament is the story of women “given” unto men. Such was the custom among the ancient elite. But be fair, that’s just bible talk, and we may be unfair to said Asenath. For all we know she may have liked Joseph well enough and successfully manipulated her father to agree to “give” her hand in marriage. ... ||

      I agree that "for all we know" Asenath may have been a lot of things, but from what we actually know - from the three mentions of her in the Bible - she is only two things: A gift and a bearer of two children. That's it.

      And that's why I was surprised that jon s managed to conclude that the half-sentence in which a woman is given as a gift to a man describes a "mixed marriage" like Phil's.

    • || jon s: eljay,
      Your point is valid, though I never said that it was a marriage of equals. In those times, under those circumstances ,it could not have been.
      My point is that there’s no hint of disapproval in the Biblical text. ||

      There's no hint of disapproval because it wasn't a "mixed marriage". "Asenath" wasn't a person - it was the name assigned to a gift and a womb:

      Asenath:
      Gen 41:45: And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

      Gen 41:50: And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.

      Gen 46:20: And unto Joseph in the land of Egypt were born Manasseh and Ephraim, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.

    • || jon s: Since Phil mentions his own marriage, I’ll point out that it so happens that the Torah portion read this past Sabbath mentions a “mixed marriage” which is beneficial. ... ||

      The gifts Pharaoh gave to Joseph were, in order: Power/authority, a signet ring, fine linen, a gold chain, access to a special chariot, a new Egyptian name and a wife.

      Asenath is named as a gift, not as (an equal) party to a "mixed marriage". I have no doubt that Phil's wife is - and that he views her as - more than just a trinket bestowed upon him by another.

  • Voices of the Thousand: Mondoweiss authors tell why they write for us
  • Ibrahim 'the half bodied,' an icon of Gaza skirmishes, loses his other half for Jerusalem
    • || Jerry Hirsch: Exactly. When not a word is said surrounding the circumstances of his death, that absence begs us to find out the rest of the story. ... ||

      Indeed. jpost.com:

      ... Photos showed Abu Thuraya being pushed on a wheelchair while advancing toward the border with the protesters ... Tear gas canisters landed around the rioters, and at some point he left his wheelchair behind, crawling through the grass. The footage, after he was shot, shows him being pushed while slumped in his wheelchair and then carried away.

      Palestinians said he was shot in the head, and a Health Ministry spokesman in Gaza, Ashraf al-Kidra, claimed he was pronounced dead at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital as a result of his wounds. ...

      || ... Thoraya [sic] purposely scaled the fence ... ||

      Speaking of absence, where's the link to a pic to substantiate your claim that a legless man scaled a "Jewish State" fence?

      (Not that it would justify his summary execution, mind you, but I am curious to see just how terrifying an apparition it must have been to cause a "Jewish State" soldier to commit murder.)

    • || Maghlawatan: I am pretty sure Israel will end with all non Palestinians herded into gaza following capitulation by the IDF. And they will be picked off at will because what goes around comes around. ||

      You may be right, but I really hope you're wrong. The Palestinians would truly be a moral beacon to the world if they were to look to justice, accountability and equality - and not bloodthirsty vengeance - to right the on-going wrongs of the Zionist nightmare.

    • || Naftush: The story has the smell of being too good. ... ||

      In 2008, "Jewish State" Occupation and Oppression Forces goons injure a non-Israeli man in not-Israel.
      In 2017, "Jewish State" Occupation and Oppression Forces goons kill a non-Israeli man in not-Israel.

      I can't imagine what a story that does not have "the smell of being too good" smells like.

  • Israel passes 'anti-infiltration law' to speed up the deportation of African refugees
    • || dimadok: I would re-phrase: Israel interests are focused on self-preservation as independent, sovereign state for all of its citizens, enabling Jewish national self-determination, cultural preservation of all inhabitants and protection of Jewish history and education. ... ||

      That's what I said: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. You just used more words to say it.

      || ... @Eljay- get over it… ||

      Get over injustice and immorality? No thanks. But I understand why a Zionist like you would ask me to "get over it".

    • || dimadok: ... Unfortunately, it is never enough when it comes to Israel ... ||

      The rapist keeps women chained in his basement where he routinely brutalizes them, but he recently bought them some clean underwear. You'd think that people would finally stop vilifying him but, unfortunately, it's never enough when it comes to the rapist. :-(

      Your lamentations would reek less of aggressor-victimhood if Israel weren't a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      || ... and that is precisely why Israel should and does consider its own interests ... ||

      Which are Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

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