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  • Hillary Clinton just lost the White House in Gaza -- same way she lost it in Iraq the last time
    • yonah fredman: Further thoughts about 200 years from now....

      yonah, surely no one since Nostradamus has peered so presciently into the future as your good self?

    • Seafoid: Now it’s September...

      It’s still August where I am so the future’s a little further off for me to predict.

      Paradoxically, the hot desert regions will be most suited to large-scale solar power and that can provide desalination. But the key point is that in the future more and more people in such regions, Israel included, will be dependent on a high-technology infrastructure. Not something to be bombed every couple of years without huge implications. It’s the political chaos that’s the real problem as it precludes solutions to any other problem.

    • Donald: I’m not clear on how Israel is the primary problem for people in Iraq...

      Then pay attention next time Phil writes about the neocon planners of the Iraq War.

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • ivri: ...and finding ways to coexist with it, no matter how non-ideal...

      I think your right ivri, the final outcome will be a single, democratic state - though it’s so non-ideal for you that you can’t bring yourself to say it. But in the end you get what you deserve and you, ivri, really do deserve it.

  • Tough Hillary Clinton says 'dreadful' pictures of dead women and children make it hard to get at truth-- Hamas is to blame
    • Whose fault is it? “Why, those shameless hussies of course!” answers Hilary Clinton. “How could any man endure such provocation? Bill’s entirely blameless. I’ll always stand by him.”

  • With friends like these...
    • @Keith

      Keith, perhaps an indication of Israel’s paranoia that its grip on the Empire’s tiller may one day slip? After all, look what happened last time Jerusalem didn't control Rome.

  • After Gaza
    • Nonetheless, it is for Jews to chart our own destiny.

      Oh dear, our Prophet’s voice is sounding more than a little supremacist, if not triumphant. But sadly he’s already admitted to backing power over morality.

      Well, I’ll take Pappe over Professor Ellis on this. Certainly for Israel, I think Jewish destiny is now intractably coupled to Palestinian destiny. Indeed, with Hamas now making demands on a morally weakened Israel it may not be too long before they up the ante to equal rights in one state rather than just a lifting of the siege.

  • Even Wieseltier is upset by 'indifference in Jewish world' to Gaza slaughter and wholehearted Israeli support for it
  • Gaza war gives rise to new Jewish group targeting Jewish institutions that support occupation
    • @Dan Crowther

      British Prime Minster Campbell Bannerman 1907 – The Bannerman Report

      Good grief Dan, this means that Professor Ellis was right after all. It is all the fault of the Presbyterians.

  • 'Dear American Jewish community, It's time to talk about Zionism'
    • Mooser, say what you wish about Benjamin Silverman but when it comes to identifying responsibility - a necessary precursor for effective action - I find him a lot more convincing than Professor Ellis.

  • Reprint of Yochanan Gordon's "When Genocide is Permissible" (Updated)
    • @Mooser quoting Irwin E. Blank

      It’s time to take heed of the words of the L-rd, it is time to do what the people of Israel demand, it is time to kill Agag.

      Now those are the words of a prophet who really does believe in power over morality. Take note, Professor Ellis.

      Sadly for Prophet Blank - could there be a better name for such a moral nullity? - his very words show why the Palestinian moral courage to resist will triumph over Israeli military power. They win simply by not losing, leaving poor Prophet Blank angrily shaking his fist at their very existence.

      Ironically, it’s Prophet Blank and his ilk who turn Hamas’s homemade rockets from virtually useless fireworks into psychological strategic weapons - the “we’re still here” taunt being devastatingly on target no matter where they physically land. No wonder they continue to fire them.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left?
    • @Mooser: the effect of a ‘Hamas’ rocket and an Israeli missile strike. There’s very little comparison.

      Yet as the ‘war’ continues, those physically devastating Israeli weapons become symbols of impotence whilst those physically impotent Palestinian rockets become symbols of triumph.

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in)
  • Amira Hass and the end of Jewish ethical history
    • States don’t live on morality – even a Jewish state.

      Far be for me to accuse Professor Ellis of not being a man of the world - after all I go to far fewer global conferences - but this strikes me as an assertion from someone who’s trying to be a tough realist but is actually very naive.

      A state - no matter how powerful - without any moral foundation will ultimately collapse as a political entity because it will lack internal legitimacy. Unless our Jewish Prophet foresees that a Jewish state based solely on power would be legitimate in the eyes of its Jewish population.

      However in the case of Israel, even if its population is actually happy with the effort of perpetually dominating its neighbors through power, it will never be able to sustain sufficient power to indefinitely counter the inevitable external reaction. Already it depends on subverting other states to give it the necessary power thus weakening the moral authority of such states. For instance, it should be obvious to any realist that Zionist control of the US will be finite in time - any such overreach always is. Only someone drunk on such power would not see this.

      It’s sad to see such moral myopia in a self-proclaimed prophet. But surely this is one instance where Professor Ellis can only blame himself.

  • Claim that Hamas killed 3 teens is turning out to be the WMD of Gaza onslaught
  • Oren's charge that networks showcase Palestinian dead at behest of Hamas is 'obscene' -- Penhaul
    • “Hamas are to blame but it’s the whole world’s fault for failing stop them.” said Ambassador Dermer.

  • U.S. casts lonely vote against establishing war crimes inquiry in Gaza
    • The US has its own reasons for wanting to control Israel.

      tokyobk counsels the IDF. “War crimes? We were only obeying US orders.”

  • Israeli forces shell UN school where displaced Palestinians gathered, killing at least 9
    • Keith: Have you ever wondered why with all of their military power they haven’t occupied at least one significant oil state, thereby freeing themselves from being dependent upon US support?

      Keith, what enormous faith you posit in that ‘thereby’. You cruelly yolk this poor adverb into the back-breaking task of justifying an absurd concluding clause with an equally preposterous opening clause.

      That said, I’ve often wondered why some people still think it's all about oil, thereby making themselves look very naive.

  • Israel's iron fist
    • Professor Ellis: What the world wants is a policy that contains Palestinians and leaves the Middle East order, at least what’s left of it, in place.

      Who’s to blame for the oppression of the Palestinians? “It’s the entire world.” announces Professor Ellis after an exhaustive investigation spanning Germany, the Vatican, and the rest of Europe; encompassing the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, the Catholics, and every other branch of Christianity; critically focussing on Martin Luther, the Pope and finally God himself. “Everywhere I looked there was someone to blame until it finally dawned on me it was everyone else’s fault”.

      Next week on Mondoweiss: “Did I overlook the Amish?” asks Professor Ellis. “Look at Pennsylvania. It used to be the Quaker State till these German-speaking zealots arrived in their buggies and drove them all out.”

  • 'I am a Jew. Israel is NOT My State'
    • @MY1: We can manage without you, but please, leave us alone.

      Mahane, I’ve followed Professor Ellis’s globe-trotting adventures closely, from Austria to South Korea to Germany. But sadly he has yet to alight on Israeli soil. We can only hope he corrects this unfortunate oversight soon and that his schedule is not so hectic that he can’t stop by your stall. What a great story - parable even - that would make - The Prophet and the Potato Seller.

    • Clearly Professor Ellis is very angry indeed with Israel. As well he should be as it buries his very own stock in trade - the notion of Jewish moral exceptionalism - on a beach in Gaza. Though not so angry that he can’t take a side swipe at the Christian churches. But then perhaps they’re really to blame for this ugly turn of events.

  • Jet Blue incident shifts from anti-Semitic story to anti-Palestinian one
  • The trojan horse of liberal Zionism
    • hophmi: Maybe the Hamas fighters were nearby, and it was a misfire.

      Translation: If can’t afford the Dersh, I’m your man.

  • Sullivan and Leveretts throw in the towel on two-state solution
  • Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
    • Great post Phil, an excellent follow-up to Jeff Halper. Arguing for the end of Jewish privilege in Israel / Palestine is a smart approach, it’s right in of itself without needing a Palestinian demand for a single, democratic state. Though it helps make space for that option.

      But I think the argument that Jewish privilege isn’t necessary isn’t enough. With Israel effectively occupying and controlling the Palestinians, it must be made clear that it is simply unacceptable.

  • Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder says Israel is using our taxes to 'drop bombs on children' and take land
    • @Pat “for real” Nguyen

      So Pat, what country did you think Eddie Vedder was talking about?

  • Israel's message to the Palestinians: Submit, leave or die
    • yonah fredman: At this point I agree that I don’t see a good endgame. Initiative has passed to the Palestinians and I see their logical step to be in the direction of “annex us and give us citizenship”, logical but not here yet for various reasons.

      An interesting comment, yonah. I would say at this point I don’t see a clear endgame though I do see a Palestinian demand for equal rights in a single state as the best endgame - or beginning of the best endgame. And I would also say that once the Palestinians make such a demand they will then have not only seized the initiative but also the moral power to ultimately effect this outcome.

      Though you are coming from a very different direction from me, I appreciate that you are really thinking about the issues and possible futures in I/P. I’m not sure you have embraced yet a single, democratic state as a good outcome but at least you are thinking about it. And in doing so I think you have shown there is potential to develop common ground in this direction for a better future for all in the region.

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    • Jeff Harper: ... Israel has in fact left us with only one workable, just and lasting way out: a single democratic state in Palestine/Israel that guarantees the individual and collective rights of all its citizens.

      I think Jeff Harper has been one of the most insightful commentators on Mondoweiss. He was making the point that the “two-state solution” was dead over two years ago and advised that we waste no more time discussing it:

      A necessary and urgent first step towards collapsing the otherwise permanent regime of oppression in Israel/Palestine is that we stop talking about a two-state solution. It’s dead and gone as a political option – if, indeed, it ever really existed.


      Sadly, since then Mondoweiss has not consistently followed Jeff’s prescient advice and has wasted far too much time and energy discussing the “two-state solution” both in its main posts and in its comments section.

      After this latest Israeli assault on Gaza and its people, I can only hope that Mondoweiss takes up Jeff’s rallying call and puts all its resources behind spearheading the intellectual and moral argument for the single, democratic state. Even among non-Zionists there is so much capital - these days mainly emotional - invested in “two states” that the argument for the single, democratic state needs to be constantly and consistently pushed and pushed hard. The alternative, as Jeff says, is “warehousing” - though I think that could prove to be just a staging post to “transfer”.

  • Terror in Gaza: 57 seconds after 'warning,' Israel destroys a house
    • MY1: Sorry, my bad.

      Well Mahane, this is certainly bad English. But not the bad English you would expect from a someone with a shaky grasp of the language. No, this is the bad English of someone well acquainted with English, or rather American, slang and its nuances.

      So what you really should have said is:

      Sorry, my bad attempt to maintain my ludicrous cover story as a poor potato salesman.

  • Where was God in the Warsaw Ghetto? Or in Gaza?
    • Professor Ellis: Thus we are left with the memory of a God who wasn’t silent – as God – in Gaza and beyond – is today.

      With Israel upping the level of its outrages against the Palestinians, poor Professor Ellis must be really struggling to find someone else to blame to finally settle on God - or his absence.

      But is God really absent in Gaza? It seems to me that once again the Old Testament God of Israel is very much present, smiting its enemies from the sky with a vengeful - if not genocidal - lust. I would have thought our Prophet would have something to say on this.

  • Chomsky and BDS
    • @W.Jones

      Very good rebuttal. Another fine example of the tremendous contribution you have made of late to the debate on the substantive issues to hand - as opposed to the theological issues Professor Ellis diverts us with from time to time.

  • SodaStream launches 'mixologist' competition as brand sags
    • The Chomsky Wallbanger

      3 shots Imperial American Whiskey

      3 shots Absolut Truth Vodka

      Top up glass with Cola - 100 parts Coke or Pepsi to 1 part Sodastream

      Serve on pedestal

      Swallow in one

      Warning: excessive consumption can damage the Parietal Lobe resulting in back-to-front logical processing, particularly relating to geo-political analysis.

    • It’s not a real Hasbarito without it!

      Indeed not but make sure its genuine Ziocaine. Be on guard especially if your smiling hasbarista sports a spotless white T-shirt and has an Israeli accent. It’s not unknown for some to substitute a cheap generic knockoff and pocket the difference. The effect can often be quite violent; you might suddenly find yourself rushing over to another table and grabbing the olive off some poor innocent’s martini.

    • The Hasbarito

      Pour a large slug of mean spirit into a glass

      Add a long, long squirt of sparkling Kool-Aid from your Sodastream

      Stir in a spoonful of Ziocaine

      Garnish with a Cherry Tomato

  • Liberal Zionists' denial of Israeli racism heightens danger to 'everyone living in this land' -- Blumenthal
    • But he wants to be an “American,” a leftist American, talking liberation and aspiring WASP. He is a ludicrous figure.

      I can't imagine who he’s referring to here but I have to say that someone with a mustache like MJ’s would be wise to avoid calling anyone a ludicrous figure. Unless he’s referring to John Bolton.

  • A Selfie of the Potential Murderer as a Young Man
    • Kudos for Israeli self-reliance though. No need for dumb Shiksas now it’s got its own brand of brainless bimbos.

  • The rationality of Israel's War
    • Dickinson: And, of course, Dr. Strangelove was modeled after the Rand Corporation’s military strategist and former physicist Herman Kahn link to (also a founder of the neoconservative Hudson Institute).

      Not to overlook Herman Kahn’s colleague and fellow strategist at RAND, Albert Wohlstetter who, along with Leo Strauss, can be considered as one of the founding fathers of neoconservatism.

      “During his long career, Wohlstetter also taught at UCLA and the University of California, Berkeley, in the early 1960s. From 1964 to 1980, he taught in the political science department of the University of Chicago, and chaired the dissertation committees of Paul Wolfowitz and Zalmay Khalilzad. He is often credited with influencing a number of prominent members of the neoconservative movement,[11] including Richard Perle (who, as a teenager, dated Wohlstetter's daughter Joan).”

      Indeed, what a fateful day for Iraq it would turn out to be when the young Richard Perle met Wohlstetter’s daughter at Hollywood High School all those years ago.

    • Is there is no outrage that Professor Ellis won’t drag the Presbyterians into?

  • Chomsky supports portions of BDS agenda, but faults others, citing realism and int'l consensus
    • @Keith

      Keith, just because Jeff Blankfort takes apart your view of the US-Israel relationship doesn’t make him intellectually dishonest.

      And what is it you find shocking about this thread? I hope Mondoweiss serves up comments this interesting on a regular basis like it used to.

    • Oh dear, I hope Keith doesn’t read all these nasty comments about Professor Chomsky.

  • The world's sympathy cannot be limited to Israeli victims
    • @MY1

      We should not overlook that Mahane is indeed a victim, a victim of Israel’s ruthless Soviet-bloc style education system.

      Apparently the best and brightest Israeli youngsters are fast-tracked into Unit 8200 to learn cyber-warfare then move on to make a fortune in some high-tech start up. Poor Mahane was fast-tracked to a potato stall.

  • Make 'hasbara' a household word
    • @Keith

      Keith, it’s your need to weave everything the US does into one cohesive global strategy that bogs you down. For example, the US meddling in the Ukraine has neocon fingerprints all over it, but that doesn’t have to mean it was ‘made in Israel’.

      What the US does elsewhere in the world may be of less interest to Zionists, but US policy in the Middle East would seem to follow a neocon game plan and generally serves Israel’s interest by destabilizing the whole region into warring factions.

      I should add that saying the above does not mean I disagree with everything you say about the rise of global neo-liberalism.

    • Keith: Another thing which I don’t recall seeing is the pro-Israel crew ever seriously criticize the American empire... ...I assume that they are afraid of biting the hand that feeds them,

      Keith, this is the most astoundingly naive comment I can recall you making. But if you insist on putting the Empire cart before the Zionist horse it must all be so confusing.

      Maybe one day you’ll finally realize the American Empire (of Chaos) in the Middle East serves Israel’s purpose. Then you’ll understand why you don’t hear it being criticized.

      That said, if you’d been paying better attention you’d have noticed that there is indeed a hand-biting strand of hasbara which has the chutzpah to blame the US for all of Israel’s crimes. After all, what else can a client state do but obey it’s Imperial master?

  • I’m a Lutheran member of a Jewish organization, and I support Presbyterian divestment
    • Oh dear, it's looks like some of Professor Ellis's anti-Christian chickens have come home to roost at Mondoweiss.

  • Neoconservatism is 'vindicated' in fawning 'NYT' piece on power couple of Kagan and Kristol
    • “I just don’t get it.” muses Phil. “For the New York Times to run itself today as if diversity doesn’t exist. It’s as bad as the WASPs back in the Stone Age! I must call Adam, Scott, Professor Ellis, Lizzy and Professor Slater to ask whether they’ve ever come across anything quite like this before.”

  • Risk!
    • “After persecuting Jews for 1500 hundred years you would have thought the Presbyterians could have done more to help the Palestinians.” says Professor Ellis. “After all, it’s their fault.”

  • The Banality of Religion: 'Prayer summit' at the Vatican fails to inspire
    • Keith: Of course, expecting organized religion to be other than a mythological distraction/justification of the existing power structure is, perhaps, unrealistic.

      Especially unrealistic when blaming the religion that is not directly involved in the particular injustice that is our focus here.

  • Boston subway ads are shocking-- 'and so is the reality on the ground'
    • @BrianEsker

      Not to mention the occasional reports surfacing of German U-boats based in South America, Antarctica, and even Israel! Clearly only an anti-semite would believe such obvious nonsense.

  • Leading spiritualist says Israel's great task is to treat neighbors with compassion, not hatred
    • Taxi: Queen’s English: ‘wrong’ photo instead of “false photo”.

      Yes, in this instance false is indeed a falscher Freund of falsche.

      But does it does offer the rare opportunity to combine irony and pedantry in the same sentence.

  • Let it go
  • Israel announces major escalation in settlement expansion (Update)
    • We can all dream James but if I was a Palestinian I wouldn’t count on it happening. The reality is the longer they wait for a third party to act, the worse it gets.

  • Super-PAC supporting Hillary Clinton launches outreach for one religious group (Jews)
    • No ‘Old White Male Americans Ready for Hilary’.

      And after being married to Bill for all these years, who can blame her?

  • But what can a poor boy do, except to boycott Israel
    • I’m shocked that such an anti-establishment figure as Sir Michael Jagger, together with his roving band of multimillionaire minstrels, would perform in Israel.

      That said, I hope he’s learned the lesson of Altamont and hasn’t hired the IDF for concert security.

  • Netanyahu says Jews invented the idea of 'honoring your father and mother'
    • I’m rather surprised Netanyahu didn’t mention the fact that the very first Genesis Prize was won by Eve for the apple pie she baked Adam.

  • A Papal confession to the Palestinian people
    • @ W.Jones

      I’m afraid you take Professor Ellis rather too seriously. Have you no intuitive sense that he is not entirely rational on the subject of Christianity?

    • Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Poor Professor Ellis. Surely everyone could foresee a visit to Germany would not go well for him? Everyone that is except our good Prophet himself.

      What a cruel a contrast it must have been. To see how Germany had rebuilt itself into one of the most admired nations in the world on the very week Israel was shooting teenagers dead in the street.

      Valiantly he stood before the Germans and blamed them for Israel. And what was their response? To mock him with a high-speed parade of passing Volkwagens, Mercedes, and BMWs on the Autobahn. A modern-day Nuremberg rally on wheels; heartless Germanic precision rendered in cold steel.

      No, it wasn’t just Germany to blame. It was the whole anti-Semitic continent. Catholic, Protestant, Christian of whatever stripe. It didn’t matter. They were all to blame.

  • Israelis and Americans are ho-hum about Palestinian children's deaths
    • Is Phil beginning to see through Bloomberg that it’s actually the same values underpinning the shameless celebration of achievement with an all-Jewish cast list and the shameful silence on the Palestinian youths killed by Israelis?

      Certainly Bloomberg is smart enough to understand the crucial role of Israel to the “Jewish success story” and isn’t going to rock the boat on the former and risk damaging his place in the latter.

      As for Leno, clearly he understands how the game works in Hollywood and still wants to be a player. He can hardly be used as a stand-in for all “Americans” any more than Bloomberg can be.

  • CNN airs evidence Israelis used live bullets on Palestinian protesters
    • @Mahane

      Mahane, when last week you begged Phil to shut down Mondoweiss because it failed to criticise Palestinian terror and incitement, I can only think that this very incident on the previous was what you were referring to.

      Having now watched the awful video myself, I have to say I don’t blame you for trying.

  • Repentant Enablers: German Christians, the Holocaust and the resurgence of German power
    • That the Palestinians were sacrificed on the altar of German renewal seems beyond the point for most Germans.

      What’s going on in the MW editorial department? Last week it was all the fault of the British. This week Professor Ellis is blaming it all on the Germans.

      Now Israel is shooting teenagers in cold blood it seems the line is: Israel? It’s everybody’s fault except ours.

  • New video shows Palestinian youths killed by Israeli army on Nakba Day posed no threat to soldiers
  • Apartheid label is reminiscent of runup to Holocaust -- Michael Oren
    • GL: What is his beauty secret?

      Perhaps he was a medieval discoverer of the legendary Hasbarist’s Stone whereby he remains immortal so long as he never utters the truth. Every generation he changes his name and moves to another county to cover his tracks.

  • Inspiration on the quiet streets of Palestine
    • @Walid

      Are you suggesting that honest but misguided Mahane 1 leaves his laptop logged on to MW whilst serving customers allowing impostors 2 and 3 to sneak from the back of his stall and post behind his back?

      That's a mean trick to play on an innocent and well-meaning Israeli but nevertheless one has to give credit to Hasbara Central for running such a sophisticated field operation in a desperate attempt to gain a little credibility.

  • Report: Germany cancels military subsidy deal with Israel following breakdown of peace negotiations
    • Disrupting “western relations with Russia” is quite risky for Israel. Russia has money, weapons and contacts, and if Putin adopts fully anti-Western posture, it can be highly unpleasant.

      Maybe Israel thinks it can play both sides of the street with respect to Russia and America in a similar fashion as to China and America? And with China and India. A bright future as the world’s dishonest broker.

  • Historical whitewash: Great Britain must be held accountable for its role in the Nakba
    • UK-based al-Wahid pops up regularly on MW with his Britain bashing. But what’s the point of MW publishing his bite-the-hand-that-feeds-you stuff, other than to demonstrate that this ugly trait is not an Israeli monopoly?

      Meanwhile, whilst he gets us all arguing about whose fault Israel was in the first place, Israel itself can continue laughing all the way to rest of the West Bank.

  • Boycott movement reaches new heights
    • We can only hope a party of our hardiest hasbarists are trudging up Everest at this very moment to unfurl a rebuttal.

  • America's rabbi hoovers celebrities
    • @American

      I think the good Rabbi must have looked deep into his own soul to come up with this profundity:

      While love seeks to share, lust seeks to acquire. While love can be satisfied, lust is utterly insatiable

  • Who will be the last neoconservative?
    • Stop teasing biorabbi, tell us their name.

    • seanmcbride: Our current meddling in Ukraine reeks of neoconservatism.

      Indeed it does and who’s the leading medddler? Why, none other than Ms. Victoria Nuland. Or perhaps more pertinently in this context Mrs. Robert Kagan. A fact Phil overlooked in his eagerness to tell us “People in D.C. don’t want to hear from neoconservatives.”

      At Mondoweiss we are all too familiar with the “Not-a-Zionist”. Is Kagan the first “Not-a-Neocon”?

  • Peace process: Aaron Miller moves from 'too big to fail' to 'rock and roll will never die'
    • @James Canning

      The Israeli aim is a creeping ethnic cleansing in the WB as more and more of the land is taken over, forcing the Palestinians into an ever smaller space and fractured space. Palestine is more than a legal abstraction on a map, it’s a physical reality. Land taken over is land denied and it will be hard to get that back as Palestinian living space in any two state solution via the any ‘peace process’.

      Given that you are a regular reader on MW, I fail to see why you so complacent about this slow ethnic cleansing via displacement or why you place such faith in a two-state solution.

  • It is 'full-fledged apartheid' now but Americans can use a familiar term, 'segregation' -- Mustafa Barghouthi
    • Zach S: Woody: Israelis and Palestinians are not ethnicities either. The discrimination you refer to is based on nationality, not race or ethnicity.

      In a single state they’d have the same nationality so that would mean there couldn’t be any discrimination. Sounds like a winner. Thanks Zach.

  • Boycott on the horizon if Starbucks buys stake in SodaStream
    • @seanmcbride

      With regard to the participation of Arab nations in BDS — you seem to be saying that it is weak and declining.

      sean, I suspect myself that Israel does very little trade with its Arab neighbours - certainly in consumer products - so it would seem unlikely there would be any real grassroots BDS activity.

      Rather than doing unscientific surveys on Mondoweiss why not use your search engine of choice (have you boycotted Google yet?) to look for evidence of Israeli consumer products being sold in Arab countries? I checked and they offer no Arab country on their list of locations, not even Abu Dhabi or Bahrein with their large number of western residents and visitors.

      Would it be reasonable to predict that Americans and Europeans are not likely to be more strongly committed to Palestinian human rights than Arab nations and the worldwide Arab community?

      This seems s a poorly phrased question. I’d be fairly certain that, if asked, a greater percentage of people in the Arab world would express concern about the plight of the Palestinians than in Europe and America - though quite a few might have more pressing immediate concerns of their own. If you mean being by committed to be taking an active part in an campaign such as BDS then see my response to the issue above.

      Bottom line Sean, if you end up on the same page as JeffB you need to up your game in the thinking department and, depending on what you are trying to prove here, maybe the moral department as well.

  • Apartheid label will stick
    • JeffB: Israel conversely is a USA vassal.

      Though perversely a vassal with ICBMs according Jeff - and who’d be qualified to doubt him?

      Let’s just hope those ICBMs can’t reach DC if Congress ever gets uppity.

  • Two-state solution is 'psychological solution' allowing people to take themselves off the moral hook -- Telhami
    • American: The idea, briefly, is to take (through eminent domain) roughly 8,000 square miles of sparsely populated land bordering the Gulf of Mexico and give it to Israel as a second, non-contiguous part of the State of Israel.

      Even better, why not stretch those 8000 square miles into a transcontinental ribbon along the US-Mexican border and let New Israel stop illegal immigration using the tried and trusted techniques of the mother country?

    • Hostage: The article’s title doesn’t match the conclusion he reaches in the final paragraph.

      Indeed so, though quite a clever ‘bait and switch’ nevertheless. But then Phil forgot to mention that Telhami is also a nonresident senior fellow of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution. I can’t imagine that’s a place that spends much time envisaging a democratic single state.

      All in all a dud post, would have been a much better if it had ended with your last paragraph instead.

  • Jewish Voice for "Real" Peace
    • JeffB: I don’t know what that means.

      Of course you don't Jeff. That's why I answered you the way I did. You just don't have a clue what I'm talking about. It's like trying to describe 'red' to a blind man.

    • JeffB: So we are supposed to believe that without USA power one of the top 10 military states on the planet couldn’t handle a few million people with only light arms?

      But Jeff, what if the next phase is a non-violent struggle by the Palestinians for equal rights? Use of violence by Israel in response will quickly rot what’s left of its moral core until there’s nothing left.

  • Kerry says that Israel could wind up being 'an apartheid state'
    • @James Canning

      Get real James, the land available to the Palestinians to live on gets smaller every day.

    • James Canning: I have been arguing that a resolution of Israel/Palestine must be imposed, for many many years now.

      Imposed by whom? You need to be careful about creating false hope that only prolongs the 'peace process' and sees Palestine get smaller every day.

  • NBA owner Sterling reportedly sought to justify his racism by citing Israeli racism
    • @Mikhael

      So all things considered, everything in Israel is as peachy as it could possibly be.

    • GL: His name is Sterling, not Sperling. “Sperling” is German for “sparrow”.

      Another small typo and he'd be a "starling".

    • seanmcbride: ...and anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jews by the Jewish group.

      sean, of course a mind intimately familiar with the forces of the Universe would instinctively apply Newton’s Third Law to the realm of human interaction. But I do you’re being very unreasonable here expecting hophmi to do likewise. He’s clearly no physicist, let alone an Einstein.

    • Taxi: I’m beginning to think that MJ Rosenberg is mucho jealous of Phil Weiss.,

      Could MJ be yet another MW reader driven quite mad with jealousy of Phil’s bouffant hair?

    • seanmcbride: Donald Sterling isn’t a redneck. You need a guidebook to sort out the varieties of racism.

      But surely Sean, someone as knowledgeable about the South as yourself should see immediately the parallel with that classic stereotype of the antebellum plantation owner who spends his nights either under a sheet with the Klan or under a sheet with the nubile young slave girl he’d just bought.

  • Our eviction action at NYU created more dialogue than ever before
    • Sean McBride For instance, with regard to liberal Zionists, who are we really talking about?

      Sean, a list such as this is a useful resource - basic analytical material and supporting data but hardly analytical output. In this example, the real analysis is on the role of ‘liberal Zionism’ in the overall Zionist set-up. I know from many of your earlier posts that you clearly understand how this works. But when you sometimes publish lists of ‘right-wing’ Zionists and then at other times ‘liberal Zionists’ this crucial information gets lost. Lists are data, they need to be transformed into information with context for the average person to understand the big picture. You are much more effective when you do the latter.

    • Sean McBride: How about you, libra? Have you changed your buying patterns over Israeli issues?

      Not much Sean to be honest. I would avoid products like Ahava or Sodastream in any case on value and utility grounds. Avoiding Intel or Google because they have Israeli operations is impractical and plays into Israeli hasbara that they invent all key technologies. So it effects my buying on the margins.

      But I think BDS can be effective when targeted on specific companies who are the worst offenders and that in turn will make other companies think twice before investing in Israel. And as Israel becomes more widely recognised as an Apartheid state it will be easier to embarrass the senior management of companies such as Apple and Google, that like to portray themselves as socially progressive, for ‘investing in Apartheid’.

    • Sean McBride: might that behavior not encourage many consumers to exercise their free choice not to purchase the brands and products on this list?

      Sean, far be it for me to critique your listing skills but I notice that Coca-Cola is at number 3. Before this has Mondoweiss cola drinkers rushing to switch to Pepsi, I think I should point out that PepsiCo through its Frito-Lay subsidiary is a 50% owner of Sabra at number 13.

  • 'NYT' scrubs 'analysis' that Hamas is 'seen in West as the devil'
    • yonah fredman: ... is a place where many Jews would leave because they would no longer be granted an advantage in the society.

      Oh dear, I hope Abe Foxman doesn’t read this.

  • Five reasons the breakdown of peace talks is a good thing
    • Good to hear you voice again, Ramzi.

    • A very cogent analysis by Adam. These five points make a good set of guidelines for the future.

      On point 4, I hope the lesson for the Palestinians is to use external agencies like the UN when and where it make sense but not to end up relying on their leadership in any ‘process’- all can be corrupted, not just the US or the disgraceful TB.

  • Bait-and-switch anti-Semitism: NYU SJP accused of targeting Jews, or not
  • When the going gets tough, Roger Cohen gets going
    • yonah fredman: The demand to give the residents of the West Bank the vote is based upon the settler nature of the occupation. The demand to give the residents of the Gaza strip the vote is based upon the concept that Gaza and the West Bank is one and the military siege.

      yonah, always choosing tactical opportunism over strategic opportunity.

    • yonah fredman: Such a move would have to give precedence to the West Bank over Gaza.

      Or would it, yonah? That may well be wishful thinking on your part. But I sense it’s dawning on you how powerful a unified Palestinian demand for equal rights in one state would be.

  • From McMecca to McJerusalem
    • Citizen: Why are you fudging this reality by ignoring it in your latest piece here on MW? What’s your agenda?

      I think our McProphet’s message is that we may indeed be bad but we’re no worse than Burger King or Wendy’s.

  • Obama and Kerry are spurred by 'vainglory' in pursuing talks -- Finkelstein
    • Sean McBride: One would have to be quite dense not to comprehend that we’ve been played here — this has nothing to do with “paranoia.”

      Sean, to be played you have to want a two-state solution. Or perhaps more accurately, by wanting two states you play into their hands. The role of the ‘liberal Zionists’ in this farrago is to keep the two-state fantasy alive, very few would believe the sincerity of the ‘Likud Zionists’. It’s this insidious aspect of ‘liberal Zionism’ that makes it the more dangerous face of the Zionist coin.

    • @Justpassingby

      Though Finkelstein rightly rejects the Kerry proposal for two-states as a sham, at no point does he mention, let alone advocate, a single-state as an alternative. I think Phil should have mentioned that.

      Finkelstein appears to be that rare thing, an honest liberal Zionist who believes Israel must make sacrifices to secure ‘the Jewish State’. But in the end he is still a Zionist and that makes me think he is on a very dubious moral and intellectual footing when he advocates for mass Palestinian non-violent resistance.

      If he was serious about changing the whole dynamic then advocating for a mass, non-violent Palestinian campaign, supported by international BDS, for equal rights in one state would have made a much more coherent conclusion to his bleak, but in many ways realistic, analysis of the current situation.

  • On Easter, costly Jews - and costly Palestinians
    • Walid: MHughes, now I see where this week’s series on Passover/Easter and the parallels between them have been heading...

      Now? Don’t underestimate your own prophetic powers, Walid. Back on April 15th, the second day of this seasonal saga from Professor Ellis, the very first comment was this prescient paragraph penned by your good self:

      Marc sees Judaism sinking because of its failure because of the Palestinians and he’s insisting in dragging Christianity down with it. Would have liked to do likewise with Islam, but there was nothing paschal to it.


  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly
    • Sean McBride: It really would be useful to know precisely which individuals within the New York Times hierarchy are responsible for the pro-Israel propaganda machinations at the paper...

      I doubt that it’s the janitor.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine
    • Professor Ellis: Imagine a Christian liturgical reading from Auschwitz on Easter Sunday. Let’s call it a historical gospel – the Gospel of Auschwitz.

      Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Here we are on Good Friday and our prophet finds himself channeling the dire JeffB:

      The Holocaust was our crucifixion and Israel our resurrection.

      Memo to Professor Ellis: When you start sounding like a Zionist blowhard you aren’t helping the Palestinians.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect
    • yonah fredman: I’ve been reading Max B’s book Goliath and his monomaniacal... is Max B’s monomaniacal...

      yonah, I hope you too appreciate the irony of your accusation against Max B.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel
    • annie: why wait 3 years?

      Why indeed? The Palestinians could stop waiting for outside agencies to act and make this demand on Israel now. The fear of a single-state by Zionists gives the Palestinians real power, but only if they choose to use it. No wonder so much effort is expended on gulling them into continuing with the ‘peace process’, with ‘liberal Zionists’ being the worst offenders.

      I'll be impressed by Friedman when he starts advocating for a single-state as the best solution. Someone needs to start preparing American Jews for that eventuality.

  • Handling holy hypocrisy at holiday season
    • Professor Ellis: They’re so closely tied in history that without Passover, Easter wouldn’t have a heritage to stand on.

      Is the Easter Bunny Jewish?

  • Dershowitz plays McCarthy, and John Dingell is labeled 'anti-Israel'
    • @Hostage

      Oh dear, I hope Krauss doesn’t follow that link:

      As of 2005, the Conference membership consisted of 51 national Jewish organizations – Zionist, "defense," and community-relations, social-service, religious, and fundraising – whose members collectively represent the overwhelming majority of the Jewish community of the United States.

  • Amira Hass predicts Israel's 'colonial project' will eventually fail--but at what cost?
    • James Canning: Whether this in fact is “the real question” is itself open to question.

      Maybe so but it's the question I think the Palestinians should be asking themselves. Unlike you I don’t think playing the ‘long game’ will deliver them their own state on 22% of the land, let alone slightly more. Perhaps you could offer some rationale for your optimism?

    • Alex Kane: The Palestinians can win.  The only question is how long it will take.

      No, the real question is what will they win? A share in the entire land or (at best) 22% of it?

  • 'There's a lot of anti-Semitism out there' -- Johansson reviews her role as 'new face of apartheid'
    • She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant.

      Or maybe it just comes with the territory:

      One of America’s most iconic beverages joins the SodaStream flavor Lineup. SodaStream users can now enjoy the family favorite taste of Kool-Aid® in sparkling new fashion.

      Some things you just can’t make up.

  • State Dep't tries to clean up Kerry's 'Poof'
    • Sean McBride: I often find it difficult or impossible to parse your sentences and thoughts.

      Sean, it helps to remember LeaNder is German and, in my view, writes very good English. However in this instance, the phrase “post Trayvon Martin case more rare” appears to be a direct translation of what in German is effectively a single adjective. It’s actually quite difficult to translate into English without it seeming in very clumsy though some punctuation helps e.g.

      I noticed recently, at one my looks - now more rare post the Trayvon Martin case - at Pat Lang’s Sic Semper Tyrannis blog, that Indyk is involved again.

      Perhaps an example of how German can be more powerful than English with its ability to compound concepts together.

  • Christie will get another crack at not saying 'occupied territories' at NY Adelson fete
  • Zionism has distorted American Jewish life
    • The Holocaust was our crucifixion and Israel our resurrection.

      Now that’s what I call Christian Zionism.

    • giladg: Yes Woody, go tell this to the Jews of the Ukraine who are starting to run for their lives.

      Please direct all Ukraine complaints to Ms. Nuland at our Eastern Europe desk.

  • 'We ask you to show solidarity with the farmers and their families of Gaza': Open letter to Neil Young from Gaza agricultural workers
    • Taxi: Sanpaku on a person indicates a critical imbalance of physical health and/or mental judgement – as if the eye is rolling up and backwards, exiting consciousness, slipping away from life and towards death.

      Good grief, what a diagnosis! If this is what passes for medicine in California these days, poor old Neil would be better off catching the next flight to Little Rock and chancing his arm (or indeed his life) with Dr. biorabbi.

  • Friedman says Iran's friends include BDS and Jews in Open Hillel movement
    • JeffB: ...or even the true rightwing academic parties like American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics...

      And that’s not even to mention NASA, Jeff. What with Werner Von Braun and the like on board it’s not hard to guess what the first three letters really stood for.

  • Apathy in Ramallah as negotiations with Israel dive
    • MRW: If one of the intentions behind the ex-IDF involvement in the Ukraine coup (like the guy called Delta who runs with Svoboda) was to help set up the upcoming sale of offshore Israeli gas to the EU,

      The idea that tiny Israel would have enough gas reserves to replace Russia is as a supplier to Europe is preposterous. And would Germany be happier with Netanyahu’s hand on the gas valve rather than Putin’s? Don’t forget that Russia buys a huge amount of manufactured goods from Germany so its a mutually beneficial relationship. Just how many submarines could Germany export to Israel?

    • annie: there’s only so much hypocrisy one can endure.

      annie, don’t forget the Palestinians have to endure the sharp end of Zionist hypocrisy every day; we just get to see the obnoxiousness in writing. That said, surely the worst we have to endure with Mayhem is boredom; his threadbare hasbara has no originality whatsoever. Perhaps he’s Netanyahu’s speechwriter.

    • Mayhem: ....the easy way out is to blame Israel for the demise of the Palestinians...

      The Palestinians survive, Mayhem. Soon you’ll be blaming them for the demise of “the Jewish state”.

  • Adelson would install Netanyahu in the White House if he had his druthers -- Avnery
    • @Dickerson.

      Wasn’t Howard Hughes a previous owner of The Sands? The place must be cursed.

    • Sean McBride: Sometimes Friedman hits the nail on the head.

      So according to Friedman, anyone who supports a democratic, single state is an ally of both Adelson and the Ayatollah. Rather than Friedman hitting the nail on the head, McBride misses the point - ‘liberal Zionists’ like Friedman are getting desperate as it finally dawns on them that Israel’s greed has sunk “the Jewish State”.

  • US is 'absolutely adamant' that Palestine not go to ICC and wreck the peace process -- Power
    • Donald, I entirely agree. There's a lot more like her as well.

    • ...European Jew-Hating leftists(which have always been there anyway), Middle-Asian/Euro dictators...

      Dabakr, perhaps it’s for different reasons but can we agree that Israel shouldn’t join the EU?

  • Narendra Modi, a politician who presided over anti-Muslim pogrom, may be India's next leader, and U.S. cozies up to him
    • Walid: provide technical expertise in building India’s own missile defense system (MDS) against attacks from Pakistan and China.

      So who better to sell missile penetration enhancement technology to China than Israel? Let’s hope there’s some cheese left over to make another video.

  • 'NYT' readers who objected to calling Abbas 'defiant' have a point, public editor rules
    • yonah fredman: It is valid to consider both these long range alternatives as bad alternatives...

      Translation: What we really want is the land without the people but sadly...

  • Oren says Pollard 'sacrificed himself for the Jewish people'
    • JB: Neither really. I see both positions.

      So you're posting these long screeds from a position of complete indifference. My goodness, that job of yours must be really boring.

      He gave Israel information about how to penetrate Soviet air defenses.

      Perhaps in the next long, boring stretch you can make up some details to embellish this fantasy.

    • JeffB: Pollard is a traitor to America and a hero to Israel.

      So which one is he for you, Jeff?

    • lobewyper: Apparently Israel doesn’t much care about the likely views of all this likely held by the average American...

      I can’t imagine Israel thinks any differently about the average American than biorabbi (see below).

    • biorabbi: There is an awesome huge added gain for releasing Pollard: imagine all the anti-semites faces redden and their blood pressure’s go up.

      Good grief, let’s hope Dr. biorabbi isn’t on call if Pollard ever gets released - the death rate in Arkansas would go off the charts.

  • 'A Painful Price': The escalating war on Palestine solidarity at U of Michigan and beyond
    • JeffB: That's a fine position. One I don't object to...

      Jeff, not objecting to something is not the same as supporting it. What is it you really want to see as the future for the region of ‘Israel/Palestine’ and its people? Let’s see if there is in fact a basis for reasonable and, perhaps even, productive discussion.

    • biorabbi: is like comparing a melanoma with heart disease?

      Well that’s a tricky diagnosis isn’t it, Dr biorabbi? A red face, for instance. It could be a symptom of advanced melanoma, chronic heart disease or terminal anti-semitism.

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