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There are all sorts of things that never make it in to the discourse Judaism is not hatred. So Zionism is not Judaism. It's Mensches versus Cossacks. I am with the Mensches. We have to get Jews back to Menschkeit. The religion didn't survive this long by being asshole focused. "I am scared. I am scared that we will continue living like this. And that fear scares me." "But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream." In the corners there is light That is good for you And behind you, I have warned you, There are awful things

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  • Palestinian legislators are 'dragged out' of Knesset as Pence promises embassy will move in 2019
    • Buttu is on the ball with her comment re Pence

      "Pence is a dangerous religious fanatic who supports Israel unconditionally because of his Christian Zionist ideology"

      He introduced anti GLBT legislation in Indiana but backtracked following public uproar.

  • Israel as a perversion of Judaism and the modern nation-state
    • Judaism used to be about justice. Zionism turned it into land porn. And Zionism is the purest trauma so it is not rational. And nobody has the guts to stand up to the Zionists. The best lack conviction and the worst are genocidal.

  • The checkpoints, by Rawan Yaghi
    • Within your lifetime , Boris, the Kirya will be sacked. Just like the temple the first time. And the second time.
      Because American power is limited. And everyone hates Israel.
      But it will be too late to ask for the laws of war to be respected.
      Because that is how karma works.

  • Once again, 'NYT' says Judaism = Zionism
    • The Kochs control the GOP. Trump has very deep roots. If he died tomorrow nothing would change.
      The GOP base has been fed lies for the last 40 years. They don't know what reality is. Fixing this will take years. Israel is very similar.

      Kurt Eichenwald



      Jan 17

      One thing shown by the obvious lying of recent days by so many in GOP: They have total contempt for their base. They know decades of propaganda have left them incapable of detecting fiction, and now lie 2 make them think this is about anything other than enriching the donors.

    • Zionism is a Golden calf , a Golem and Masada all in one.

    • Zionism is to Judaism as Trump is to conservatism. The paranoid style. The fearful.

      Zionism is thuggish, reactive, bullying, dark, cruel, vindictive, insecure, arrogant, heedless, vicious, self absorbed .....

      Trump’s temperament and his habits have hardened with age. He was always cartoonish, but compared with the man for whom I wrote The Art of the Deal 30 years ago, he is significantly angrier today: more reactive, deceitful, distracted, vindictive, impulsive and, above all, self-absorbed – assuming the last is possible.

      Fear is the hidden through-line in Trump’s life – fear of weakness, of inadequacy, of failure, of criticism and of insignificance. He has spent his life trying to outrun these fears by “winning” – as he puts it – and by redefining reality whenever the facts don’t serve the narrative he seeks to create. It hasn’t worked, but not for lack of effort.

      In his first year in office, Trump has lambasted any facts he dislikes as “fake news”, while making nearly 2,000 false or misleading claims of his own – more than five a day. In a single half-hour interview with the New York Times in late December, he made 24 such claims. This is the very definition of gaslighting – lying until you get people to doubt their own reality – and it is both frightening and disturbing. Because the office Trump now occupies makes him the most powerful man on Earth, his fears, and the way he manages them, have necessarily become ours.

      We fear Trump because he is impulsive, irrational and self-serving, but above all because he seems unconstrained by even the faintest hint of conscience. Trump feels no more shame over his most destructive behaviours than a male lion does killing the cubs of his predecessor when he takes over a pride.

      Trump has made fear the dominant emotion of our times. This, I believe, is his primary impact on the body politic after a year in office. He began his campaign by describing immigrant Mexicans as rapists, Muslims as terrorists, and more recently all black and brown people, and entire countries, as inferior. Trump skilfully exploited the fears of supporters who felt powerless and disenfranchised by presenting himself as their angry champion, even though the policies he has since pursued are likely to make their lives worse.

      About the only thing Trump truly has in common with his base is that he feels every bit as aggrieved as they do, despite his endless privilege. No amount of money, fame or power has been enough to win him the respect he so insatiably craves. His anger over this perceived injustice is visceral and authentic. Trump’s unwinding of government programmes such as Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act will fuel yet more fear among the millions of people will lose their health care in the year ahead. The tax plan Trump pushed through most benefits him, his family and his fellow billionaires and provides the least relief to those who need it most. In both cases, the victims of these policies will include millions of his supporters who may find someone else to blame, but whose suffering will inexorably increase.

      The fearful divide Trump has exacerbated is not simply between his supporters and his detractors, the rich and the poor, or Democrats and Republicans, but between the best and the worst in each of us."

      Trump could be Israel in human form. A failure.

  • Braying donkeys
    • In the racist logic of the 40s the Palestinians were considered a backward people. Zionism is based on a hypertext which considers them thus. Zionism is a made up culture which has no room for Palestinians and no room for universal values .
      It is a long way from Hillel.

      The Palestinians were supposed to fade into history. The occupation was based on this.

      Human dignity is stronger than Israeli groupthink.

      Zionism is doomed. Nobody in Israel is thinking long term.

  • What's wrong with colonialism?
    • "Either way, modern European Jews had no right to invade Palestine, take over the land, and drive out the people who were living there."

      At the very least they should have paid compensation. Under no circumstances should they have invaded Gaza and the West Bank.
      Zionism is not focused on sustainability . It's a trauma-driven ideology.


      "Epistemic closure is when a community cannot open to new perspectives. "
      This is a huge problem in Israel.
      Israeli Jewish identity is defined by dissing non Jews.

      Reminds me of something Tony Schwartz wrote

      "the face of fear, it is a physiological fact that our most primitive and selfish instincts emerge. Control of our behaviour shifts from the prefrontal cortex to the emotionally driven amygdala – sometimes referred to as “fear central”. As we move into fight-or-flight mode, we become more self-centred, and our vision narrows to the perceived threat, which in the modern world is less to our survival than to our sense of value and worthiness. We lose the capacity for empathy, rationality, proportionality and attention to the longer-term consequences of our actions.

      This is the reactive state Trump has tapped into with his followers and which he has prompted in his opponents. It serves none of us well. Think for a moment about the immense difference between how you feel and behave at your best and your worst. It is when we feel safest and most secure that we think most clearly and expansively. It’s also when we are most inclined to look beyond our self-interest, and to act with compassion, generosity, consideration and forgiveness."

      Israel is full of scared Jews.

      Something else that is germane:

      "Gatsby is a cautionary tale about thinking you can remake yourself."

      Israel was no tabula rasa.
      It is all about trauma.

  • 'He wants to kill us'— Gazans fear for the worst as Trump severs aid to Palestinian refugees
    • Between this and Trump on Jerusalem the US role of honest broker is dead.
      Israel has all its eggs in the US basket.

  • Trump's line on 'shithole countries' is a mainstream view in Israel
  • Israeli Jews will never accept Palestinians as equals -- Klutznick, chair of Americans for Peace Now
    • IsraeL has no choice. Judaism may be exclusive but that only works in private. The situation is that Israeli Jews are running apartheid which is unacceptable under international law . It doesn't matter what individual Jews want.

      The religion needs to reflect the responsibility of power. It it a total mess.

      It all goes original.sin of Zionism. A Land for a people. There was no free land. They had to seize it.

    • The Palestinians joined the Oslo process in good faith. Israel is sick. Israel never wanted peace. Israel wants everything. Israel thinks God loves it.
      Israel never thought things through.

    • Settlers say never. They said it in Rhodesia. In Northern Ireland. In Mozambique. All wrong.

  • Privileged American Jews are safe thanks to 'Israel's might'-- Roger Cohen
  • 'Curricularizing Israel'-- the Hebrew program in suburban Chicago schools
    • The sexual aspect of Zionist indoctrination is disturbing. There is nothing sexy about human rights abuses.
      Fighting for justice, on the other hand

    • If one believes in God who stood silent during the Shoah one exonerates the Nazis and their helpers. If the Jews of Bialystok and Budapest were slaughtered because they did something wrong God will do it again. And that is why God has nothing to do with any religion.

    • Yonah if you believe in redemption you must have a justification for the Shoah. And that gets very messy, doesn't it?

  • What Palestinians can learn from South African anti-apartheid struggle
    • SA is unfinished business because the white population held on to economic power with the help of a few ANC heads.
      Palestinians need to think beyond that.
      They also need to avoid what happened to the Egyptian revolution.

      It is going to need outside force, whether military or economic.
      Mearsheimer :

      " No matter how well-written or delivered, a speech cannot divert who le societies from a well-established course of action. Policies in motion tend to remain in motion; to change the trajectory of a deeply-entrenched set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal momentum."

  • When Zionism is the essence of life, a break has huge consequences
    • The worst thing that ever could happen happened after the worst thing that ever could happen happened after the worst thing that ever could happen happened.

      Carlton Douglas Ridenhour, AKA Chuck D

    • It is. It is something that has to be adhered to. It doesn't conform to reality. Dissenters are treated brutally.
      It is incoherent. It is has hasbara talking points . It does not listen. It is repetitive. It is nihilistic.
      It is a long way from Hillel

    • 2 rights make one wrong

    • Zionism goes back to a hypertext. It is not the same as Bulgarian nationalism. The Bulgarians were always there . The Zionists were not. Someone had to sit down and invent the rules. Zionism is a model. And the model is wrong.

      Tough titty, Israel.
      I bet Hillel is LAUGHING.

  • Finally a 'New York Times' columnist says liberal Zionism is dead
  • Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as capital of 'Jewish people' is assault on my religion -- Queens rabbi
    • Yonah
      Sabras are paranoid. Settlers always are.
      Like deep south whites afraid of their women being raped. Justification for apartheid there too.

    • 27 million Soviet citizens died (including max 3m Jews). We never hear that number.

  • Let the two-state solution die a natural death
  • Quaker group honored by Yad Vashem for helping Jews during Holocaust is now banned from Israel
    • The past is assumed to be prologue . Zionism is a model. It is linear. New Systemic thèmes are hard to fit into models. They are ignored. Zionism has departed from reality. What does the Torah say?
      The point of a model is to reflect reality, not the other way around.


    • It was the same with the UN.

  • Israel issues BDS blacklist against 20 organizations-- 'badge of honor,' Munayyer says
    • Atrocities are to Zionists what shared cultural riches are to other people. Take the violence out of Zionism and all there is left is a few broken matzo, some appropriated hummus and a broken marriage.

    • Jewish democracy. Not Jewish. Not democratic
      The price of occupation is so high

      Imagine being paranoid about Jewish voices for peace . That is really taking the peace .

      BDS beats the nukes every time.

  • Haass and Kristof can't cross the Zionist Rubicon
    • In 2011 the Mubarak regime collapsed. The Israeli embassy was attacked by a mob. That is how ordinary Egyptians feel deep down about issues like no access to the holy city of Jerusalem for Egyptians . Captain Kholi is a traitor. Unless Israel is dealt with Copts will never be able to go to Jerusalem. The status quo is not sustainable. Neither is the Egyptian junta .

    • Apartheid is simply inconceivable. Economic sanctions are simply inconceivable. Israel has been deFerring consequences since 1948. Chickens are coming home to roost

      The future of Israel is non linear . Get the popcorn in.

    • There is a price for overdoing it .

      The more people in the West see that Zionism is taking the piss , the more leverage BDS will have

      I went to the West bank in 2000. I have been working with an Irish radio station on IP issues since then. Every time there is some news they ask about the peace process. People are decent . They expect some kind of fairness. Some kind of decency.
      Artists are no different

      And when Israel tries to shut the game down and say "we make the rules " Israel has to face the consequences

    • Israel is not rational. If it wanted to survive as a state it would not have started the settlements. The logic of the settlements is that the Palestinians do not exist. Simples. This is a military area.

      But this is not the real world . It is a fantasy.
      Israel at some point has to yield to Palestinian Rights. Or die .

      Haas is pretty reasonable and the issue is staring him in the face. But Israel holds its fingers in its ears and screams "I can't hear you . Na na na".

      This is how systems collapse.

  • Why I am not at the MLA
  • Haaretz smears the Tamimi family to counter worldwide solidarity with 16-year-old Ahed
  • If you genuinely back the Palestinian cause, you must support the right of return
    • A lot of refugees wouldn't return imo. The most likely cases live in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Israel could meet its obligations financially. But Israel always procrastinates. This is why Israel is in permanent crisis.

      If Israeli had been a real country with a stable population rooted in the land it might have been able to address it's problems coherently. But everyone was moved onto bullshit Hebrew, cutting the link with the past and leaving the people ripe for shaftIng . The idea that Israel is forever is laughable. If Israel was a person it would struggle to tie its own shoelaces.

    • Israel reminds me of one man and his dog with Netanyahu as the dog and maybe Adelson as the one with the whistle.

    • I don't think 22% of the land is acceptable any longer .
      If the bots don't want a binational state they should cede another 28% to the Palestinians.

    • Brewer

      Such transitions only happen when people realise they have no choice but to adopt reason. Groups follow thought trends that can persist way beyond bedtime. Yonah raises a lot of objections but he is basically defending Jewish economic privilege. The purpose of the occupation is to artificially increase the economic take of non productive Jews such as the Orthodox and ultra Orthodox. Half of the people share the cake.
      Israelis don't want this to change and there is no incentive for them to act Jewishly and think about the motherfuckin' consequences.

      Only BDS can shift the thinking. There is an alternative which is a catastrophic war that Israel loses. BDS is the nicer way.

  • Gaza’s airport, once a symbol of statehood, is now a wasteland
    • The airport is more of a reflection of what happened to Israel. The Oslo process offered Israel a route to normality.
      2 men decided to destroy it. They were both Askenazi leaders of Likud . Rabin was murdered after relentless incitement from a man who wanted Israelis to connect with their mental sewers. Today's Israel is the fruit of his work. Fucked up Israel.
      Netanyahu's Israel.
      Israelis singing "no school in Gaza. There are no children there "
      Bennett and Regev in government.

      Sharon was the other nihilist.

      "I've learned a lot this year.. I learned that things don't always turn our the way you planned, or the way you think they should. And I've learned that there are things that go wrong that don't always get fixed or get put back together the way they were before. I've learned that some broken things stay broken, and I've learned that you can get through bad times and keep looking for better ones, as long as you have people who love you."

      Jennifer Weiner, Good in Bed

      Thinking people despise Israel

    • Unless I am mistaken an Israeli pilot carved a star of David into the grounds of the airport during an Israeli tantrum .

  • Israeli prosecutors try to make Ahed Tamimi a terrorist
    • Israel is afraid of BDS. Members of the following orgs will be denied entry to the Jewish disneyland:

      The list from Europe includes:

      ■ The France Association Palestine Solidarity

      ■ BDS France 

      ■ BDS Italy

      ■ The European Coordination of Committees and Associations for Palestine

      ■ Friends of Al-Aqsa

      ■ Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign

      ■ The Palestine Committee of Norway

      ■ Palestine Solidarity Association of Sweden

      ■ Palestine Solidarity Campaign

      ■ War on Want

      ■ BDS Kampagne

      American organizations:

      ■ American Friends Service Committee

      ■ American Muslims for Palestine

      ■ Code Pink

      ■ Jewish Voice for Peace

      ■ National Students for Justice in Palestine

      ■ US Campaign for Palestinian Rights

      Other groups:

      ■ BDS Chile

      ■ BDS South Africa

      ■ BDS National Committee

    • Mooser
      We don't talk about that kind of stuff. Israel is an ally.
      Iran and NK are EVIL

      It is interesting to correlate nuke capability with social trauma . NK and Israel are both nuts because of war trauma.

    • The Warsaw ghetto uprising Jews were also called terrorists. They became the inspirational lode of Zionism.

      Such a mess

    • Israeli society is out of sync with humanity. Whatever Ms. Tamimi is accused of is bullshit.

  • 'We have taken Jerusalem off the table' -- Trump bullies Palestinians
    • Jerusalem is like the cat problem. You put the cat out the door. It comes in again through the window.
      Trump is a Moron.


      Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian.

      Trump-Russia investigation: the key questions answered


      Read more

      Bannon, speaking to author Michael Wolff, warned that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering and predicted: “They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

      Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, reportedly based on more than 200 interviews with the president, his inner circle and players in and around the administration, is one of the most eagerly awaited political books of the year. In it, Wolff lifts the lid on a White House lurching from crisis to crisis amid internecine warfare, with even some of Trump’s closest allies expressing contempt for him.

      Bannon, who was chief executive of the Trump campaign in its final three months, then White House chief strategist for seven months before returning to the rightwing Breitbart News, is a central figure in the nasty, cutthroat drama, quoted extensively, often in salty language.

      He is particularly scathing about a June 2016 meeting involving Trump’s son Donald Jr, son-in-law Jared Kushner, then campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at Trump Tower in New York. A trusted intermediary had promised documents that would “incriminate” rival Hillary Clinton but instead of alerting the FBI to a potential assault on American democracy by a foreign power, Trump Jr replied in an email: “I love it.”

      The meeting was revealed by the New York Times in July last year, prompting Trump Jr to say no consequential material was produced. Soon after, Wolff writes, Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers.

      “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

      Bannon went on, Wolff writes, to say that if any such meeting had to take place, it should have been set up “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people”. Any information, he said, could then be “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

      Bannon added: “You never see it, you never know it, because you don’t need to … But that’s the brain trust that they had.”

      Bannon has criticised Trump’s decision to fire Comey. In Wolff’s book, obtained by the Guardian ahead of publication from a bookseller in New England, he suggests White House hopes for a quick end to the Mueller investigation are gravely misplaced.

      “You realise where this is going,” he is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

      Last month it was reported that federal prosecutors had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution that has lent hundreds of millions of dollars to the Kushner property empire. Bannon continues: “It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner shit. The Kushner shit is greasy. They’re going to go right through that. They’re going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.”

      Scorning apparent White House insouciance, Bannon reaches for a hurricane metaphor: “They’re sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.”

    • Israel has pauperised the local Palestinians via the occupation God only knows what this has to do with separating dairy and meat.
      The international community feeds 80% of Gaza. This is in order to stop Palestinian society from collapsing but also in order to protect Israel from the consequences of its own nihilism.
      If Trump cuts the American component of the money the international community spend to mitigate Israeli pauperisation all bets are off .

      "It’s over,” one Palestinian official told the Guardian. “By tweeting that he has taken Jerusalem ‘off the table’ as an issue he has admitted that US diplomats were lying when they said Jerusalem’s status has not been decided. Instead he is trying to use blackmail and a blame game against the Palestinians. What he is admitting is there is no peace process and no peace plan.”

      “His mistake is that he thinks this is one of the deals he is familiar with. But the Palestinians are not a weak company to be taken over. He is ignoring the issue of dignity, which people are prepared to die for.”

      Like so much of Trump’s rhetoric, the best hope is that it is no more than hot air. Because the alternative is not Trump’s much vaunted “ultimate deal” but the ultimate destruction of the peace process and all that it entails.

  • Ahed Tamimi has polarized western opinion -- but stirred some liberals to solidarity
    • "In what democracy would a legislator embrace the attackers of his own country’s soldiers and remain in office? "

      Oren is an asshole. Israel isn’t a democracy. Giving Jews the vote doesn't qualify .
      And if the soldiers of a country are involved in something illegal they deserve to be bitch slapped.

  • Shmuley Boteach's unhinged attack on Lorde will only help the movement to boycott Israel
  • The Most Important Voice for Truth: Yours
    • Roger Cohen is all over the place in the NYT.

      He says

      1. Assimilation never works
      2. Put a gun head..and I will say as a Jew that ISRAEL WAS WORTH IT.
      3 "There is systematic abuse of Palestinian human rights. Our government is more and more right wing, anti Arab, racist. This is the government leading Israel nowhere.

      He thinks the government is the problem.

      Alexievich :

      "She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a “collective Putin.” As she put it, “Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.”

      Israel is trapped. Collective Netanyahu. Ya'ni

  • Why Ahed Tamimi's slap is so thrilling to Palestinians
    • Trump is playing a very dangerou's game. The Palestinians are not going to surrender to Adelson.
      Israel treats them as sub-human. That isn't sustainable

    • Kaisa

      Lots of people speak Irish

      I do some reporting on the Israeli clusterfuck for these people

      They have the most amazing music library. Tunes going back hundreds of years.

      What is interesting about language is the cultural logic that goes with it. I can say stuff about injustice in Irish that wouldn't have the same impact in English because the cultural background is different.

    • Hatim

      . Your post reminds me of phrases of encouragement/resistance in 2 languages.

      Irish : "Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí "
      Guide the young and they will deliver

      German : Wo Helden nicht vergessen werden kommen immer neue.

      Where heroes are not forgotten new heroes emerge.

      Popular inspiration in conditions of permanent aggression and nonsense is hard to control but the jinns are always at work in the background .

    • Ms T was served with 5 charges. Her mother got 2
      Defying Jewish hegemony is serious.

    • "Then comes a group of foreigners with their bulldozers and scuttles the whole centuries-old minutely-balanced hillside, does away with the accumulated labor of love of generations, dig trenches and deep wounds in the hillside face of our productive land and take over our water spring. They pull out our ancestral olives that our parents and their parents before them toiled all their lives to sustain and be sustained by them.   "

      "In Palestine the violence has targeted the entire landscape. A trail of devastation stretches as far as the eye can see: a jumble of demolished buildings, levelled hillsides and flattened forests. This barrage of concentrated damage has been wrought not only by the bombs and tanks of traditional warfare, but by industrious, vigorous destruction that has toppled properties like a violent tax assessor.

      A concrete-and-asphalt ugliness now mars some of the most beautiful views in the world. Hillsides have been carved up for bypass roads to Israeli settlements. On either side of the road Palestinian homes have been destroyed, olive trees uprooted and orange orchards razed, on behalf of enhanced visibility. All that remains is a no-man’s land topped by watchtowers. In the hostilities, the omnipresent bulldozers have as much strategic importance as the tanks. Never before has such an innocuous piece of equipment augured such violence and brutality.

      Unplanned development is not at issue, nor are the concrete jungles of Israel’s Mediterranean coastline nor the forces of heartless capitalism. No, I am reminded of the efforts of the former Soviet Union’s Gosplan, as if this destruction was being overseen by a state planning committee and the wilful hand of Israel was striving to erase the past. The twin mind-sets of construction and destruction have long coexisted here. In the 1950s thousands of pine trees, not olives, not oranges, were planted to wipe out traces of destroyed Palestinian villages; agricultural development was then hailed as a hallmark of civilisation. But today, in thrall to the forces of destruction, the gardener’s hand has turned against the land, slashing and plundering, uprooting, displacing and depopulating. All geographical settings contain intelligible signs and landmarks that bear witness to the narrative of history; but the painful realisation on entering Palestine is how profoundly the topography has been altered: the landmarks have been erased, producing disorientation."

  • I'm proud to stand with Cindy Corrie in this fight
    • I think a lot of us expected the Palestinian issue to be resolved years ago. It hasn't been because of the system behind Israel. Israeli Jews would rather sacrifice the education of their kids than recognise the human dignity of the Palestinians.

      A lot of stuff is happening under the radar. A lot of minds are being opened up. And it will happen.
      Every day that passes is a day closer to Israel''s Götterdämmerung.

      Happy 2018 ya shabab

    • Cindy Corrie grew up in a wonderful strong family. So did Norman Finkelstein. So did Amira Hass . Wonderful strong families don't produce assholes. They don't produce Danny Danons. They don't produce groupthinkers.

  • Jewish activist who counseled Lorde on BDS gets the full 'kapo' treatment in the Israeli press
    • Annie

      I read the wapo ad. Most of it is nonsense.
      The bots cannot defend apartheid by calling human rights supporters antisemites . Nobody outside Evangelica and Zionism accepts Trump's Jerusalem schtick.
      Zionism ends up as the antithesis to Judaism. If the religion had any quality control Boteach would be stripped of his professional qualification and exposed as a charlatan.

  • Lorde didn't bow to pressure, she rose to the occasion
  • Why liberal Zionists have nothing to say about Ahed Tamimi's slap and arrest
    • Zionism is insane. Tamimi was charged with being violent. She was unarmed.There are times when only Stereolab will do.

      Though this world's essentially
      An absurd place to be living in
      It doesn't call for bubble withdrawal

      I've been told it's a fact of life
      Men have to kill one another
      Well, I say there are still things worth fighting for

      La resistance!

    • Morons. But most of all it is not Jewish.

    • I think it is more of a system/groupthink problem. The key aspect of dying systems is incoherence . Both Zionism and neoliberalism are dying Neoliberalism has "growth" without payrises. Zionism has "democracy" without representation.

    • Jack

      There are 1 million Sabra refugees in the OECD who cannot live under the rule of the settlers

    • The Covenant is pretty clear about following false gods such as violence and torture.

    • Here is a beauty from the book "Land and Power"

      In the 1920s Zionists began to discuss the possibility of getting what they wanted by means of violence. One far thinking Jew replied as follows:

      "There is nothing good in this world that comes as a result of bad. This war will bequeath a legacy of failure and evil to countless generations. Where then is the revolution that has brought true fruits for the benefit of mankind and future generations? "

      See " yalkut ahdut ha avoda" 1:164

      Israel is a failure.

    • FT comments are anonymous and there is no track function. The commenter was Just21897. Not very informative, unfortunately.

      The FT is very strongly pro international law and anti Likud.

    • I think LZs are increasingly isolated.
      This is an interesting comment on the Financial Times site from 2016
      Report Just21897 | December 9 10:04am | Permalink

      “What is happening is that the narrative that has underpinned Israel until now, with en bloc support from leading Western democracies, has collapsed under the weight of Israeli aggression and double standards. A new narrative was quickly formulated to cast all of Israels muslim middle eastern neighbours as inherently enmical to the West -therefore Israel had to continue benefitting from unconditional support..

      Events soon undermined this fable as well, and many principled voices in the media started daring to expose the reality of Israeli democracy and the extreme brutality of Israeli occupation, despite the harsh threats and the accusations of anti-semitism so recklessly deployed .

      Now the question is how governments in the West can be pushed to deploy real and effective measures to force Israel into meaningful negotiations, and not just moan about Mr. Netanyahu being a "liar". We seem to have reached the point where settler violence is accelerating with impunity,while Palestinians are being punished by Western governments, led by the USA ,for pursuing negotiations and diplomacy "

    • The big question is why the US is such an outlier regarding Palestinian rights. The UK and French publics are pro Palestinian.

      One reason why the US is isolated is the Evangelical belief system with its fetish for the book of revelations. Evangelicals are for the birds. Given their opposition to climate change reduction they are also very much against the birds.
      But the more important question concerns Dem voters. What interest do ordinary schmucks in Ohio have in Jewish nihilism? What does it put on the table? Answers on a postcard, please.

    • Any IDF activity that is filmed is an embarrassment for Israel. And the IDF breaks international law 24/7. So there is a lot to show.

    • Israel is deluded. Miri Regev told media this week that there is no occupation.

      There are no Borders. There is no apartheid . Because there are no Palestinians. Voilà.
      Then Tamimi comes along and bitch slaps the groupthink.

      Israel and the LZs furiously sandbag the status quo because behind is there is a chasm. IF the status quo falls someone will have to tell Yossi Israeli thar the 1967 war was a mistake. And that all the billions spent in the occupation were wasted. Someone has to tell Yossi that if the Palestinians get the vote Zionism is khalaas. Over.

      Nobody wants to do that. And so Zionism drives deeper into incoherence.

    • Israel is not liberal. Israel is vicious. At some point the hypocrisy must become visible to even the most committed LZ's. Judaism cannot be the darkness.

    • Zionism is an ideology . And the reality is that Zionism is Dorian Grey. Liberal Zionists must face this. It didn't work out. It is a moral clusterfuck.
      However there are so many resources out there for LZs if they have the guts to get real.

      "I've learned a lot this year.. I learned that things don't always turn our the way you planned, or the way you think they should. And I've learned that there are things that go wrong that don't always get fixed or get put back together the way they were before. I've learned that some broken things stay broken, and I've learned that you can get through bad times and keep looking for better ones, as long as you have people who love you."

      Jennifer Weiner, Good in Bed

      Jennifer is very good. Zionism meanwhile is a sordid affair. Deal with it.

    • Groupthink is a huge issue for the Israeli clusterfuck

      Zuckerberg, the ultimate true believer, doesn’t necessarily see that as a bad thing. “Studies have actually proven that the more connected we are, the happier we are, and the healthier we are,” he said this summer at Facebook’s first ever communities summit in Chicago, where he announced a new, idealistic mission statement: “To give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together.” From the outside, it seemed like a conscious effort to put a positive spin on Facebook’s unique capacity to facilitate national dialogue—a dialogue, in recent years, that has turned increasingly partisan, and toxic.

      Whether Facebook is a victim of that political polarization or a culprit, there is no doubt that social media is now the primary conduit for expressions of grievance. In his final days as president, Barack Obama himself warned that Facebook and Twitter were becoming a threat to democracy. “We become so secure in our bubbles that we accept only information, whether true or not, that fits our opinions, instead of basing our opinions on the evidence that’s out there,” he observed in a speech, one week before Donald Trump would take office, reflecting on how America had changed over the previous eight years. “If you’re tired of arguing with strangers on the Internet, try to talk with one in real life.” As was later reported, Obama tried to share his concerns with Zuckerberg, too, only to berebuffed. Zuckerberg acknowledged the problem with fake news and misinformation, according to The Washington Post, but told Obama that the problem wasn’t widespread and that there was no simple fix, anyway.

  • New Israeli train line with station named after Trump was built on stolen Palestinian land
    • Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at the time of Donald Trump’s election. “He will sign anything we put in front of him.

      Cos Trump prolly has dementia. He is a figurehead.

  • Zionism didn't have to turn out so badly for Palestinians, says Roger Cohen
    • Israel won't survive. The IDF is a pariah.

    • Roger cohen has a newer op-ed regarding the danger of dreams deferred

      in which he quotes Langstone Hughes poem Harlem

      What happens to a dream deferred?

            Does it dry up

            like a raisin in the sun?

            Or fester like a sore—

            And then run?

            Does it stink like rotten meat?

            Or crust and sugar over—

            like a syrupy sweet?

            Maybe it just sags

            like a heavy load.

            Or does it explode?

      And he signs off with "in 2018 dear reader, take the time to gaze at the familiar, board the ferry to nowhere and do not, at risk of an explosion, defer your dreams".

      He is a great writer. Except when it comes to Jewish apartheid.

      He reminds me of J Alfred Prufrock .
      .."and I was afraid".

      And Red House Painters
      "Even if your cheap career depended on it"

    • When a despicable situation persists beyond the limits of acceptability it is important to know what drives it. White rule in Rhodesia collapsed in 1979. South Africa gave up apartheid in 1991.
      Israel runs apartheid today because of Jewish money and the cover provided by people like Cohen.
      It will blow up. And there will be nobody in galut to blame.

    • Israel is a tragedy . Shakespeare was very good at describing them.


      Reputation, reputation, reputation! Oh, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial. My reputation, Iago, my reputation!

      Judaism has been debased by Zionism

  • Israeli lawmaker calls Palestinians visiting relatives in Israeli prison 'beasts' and 'human scum'
  • Israeli journalist who called for unspeakable acts against Ahed Tamimi tries, and fails, to backpedal
  • Pop star 'Lorde' honors BDS call, cancels Tel Aviv concert
    • Karelia is occupied, Echi.

    • This is absolutely fucking HUGE

      Israel is claiming all of the land. BuT no.votes for 67 Palestinians. So apartheid. Lorde was right.

      Israel’s far-right sports and culture minister has taken credit for forcing the US National Basketball Association to remove the description “occupied” from its depiction of Palestine on its website, despite the fact that the phrase describes the internationally recognised legal status of the Palestinian territories.

      The NBA’s site originally listed “occupied Palestine territories” and at time of writing had deleted the word “occupied” at the instance of two Israeli ministers, one of whom suggested they were in fact part of Israel.

      The row over the inclusion of the words in a pop-up menu provided by a third party in an online poll of favourite players is the latest example of the lengths Israeli ministers will go to challenge the accepted legal definition of Palestine’s status.

      In a letter to the NBA commissioner, Adam Silver, the sports minister, Miri Regev, called the Palestinian territories “an imaginary ‘state’” and said the listing was not in line with Donald Trump’s recent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. 


      “I view the inclusion of ‘Occupied Palestine’ in the list of countries appearing on your official website as legitimizing the division of the State of Israel and as gross and blatant interference, in contrast to the official position of the American administration and the declarations of President Donald Trump, who just recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” wrote Regev.

      The NBA’s president of social responsibility, Kathy Behrens, told Israel National News that country listings were provided by a third party. “We do not produce the country listings for, and as soon as we became aware of it the site was updated. We apologise for this oversight, and have corrected it,” Behrens said.

      Palestinians seek east Jerusalem, captured by Israel from Jordan in the 1967 six-day war, as the capital of their future state. Israel claims the whole city as its capital.

      Regev thanked Silver on Friday for removing the words. She said: “Israel’s lands are not occupied; therefore what was written was false and should have been deleted.”

      Regev’s position is starkly at odds with mainstream international opinion and that of the UN, which refers to the West Bank and Gaza as occupied.

       After Trump’s Jerusalem gambit, the world must recognise a Palestinian state

      Daniel Barenboim


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      Both the United Nations security council and the international court of justice regard the West Bank, Gaza and Western Golan Heights as territory that is occupied by Israel under international law.

      Israel’s deputy minister of foreign affairs, Tzipi Hotovely, had also called on the NBA to take action. “This week, US ambassador Friedman called for the cessation of the use of the term ‘occupied’ in regard to Judea and Samaria, and an important sports league such as the NBA should respect this view,” said Hotovely.

      Hotovely was referring to a reported claim in the Israeli media – sharply disputed by the US state department – that Friedman had called for the dropping of the term “occupied”.

      Regev is no stranger to interposing herself in disputes with sporting organisations whose views do not accord with her own. Last month she threatened to pull support for the Giro d’Italia bike race after organisers described a section of the route as going through “west Jerusalem”.

    • One definition of an ideologue is a person who responds to the collision of opinion with reality by insisting that reality must yield.

      "The fact that Palestinians do not vote in elections and do not have rights equivalent to Arab citizens of Israel, is not because of apartheid, but because, like their neighbouring Arab states, and despite billions in aid, their leaders have failed to embrace democracy and the rights that go with it."

      Social media doesn't buy that bs

    • Cos Russia is a much bigger thug.
      Welcome to power, Jon.
      There aren't enough Jews to pull apartheid off.
      Tough titty

      The big issue is the failure of Israel to control social media

    • "Hateful."

      Nothing says hateful like pauperisation.

    • Oh Lorde

      It's the fat slags!

      ( Viz magazine's intro to the 2 was always Oh Lordy...)

      Israel has lost social media. Fat elderly Jewish slags still support it but millenials are a write off.

  • New Yorkers rally in solidarity with Ahed Tamimi
    • Catalan

      Polarization in the US is manufactured by the Kochs and their friends. All means to attract and distract so the looting can proceed.
      Take an issue like guns and blow it up so it becomes intractable.

      Israel is similar . It doesn't have a popular base. Who need nihilistic Jews anyway ? Gosh.

      "The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Théodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cuktures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

  • A Christmas letter to Nikki Haley

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