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Boris
Sometimes I feel an urge to defend Israel against baseless attacks so common on liberal sites like mondoweiss. However, I am not against listening to the other side, however stupid their arguments are.
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It was "peleset" or something like that. The reference was to Philistines - seafarers who occupied the coastal cities. Philistines!!! By the first century this nation was no more, disappeared, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet its maker, kicked the bucket, etc. The contemporary Palestinians are in no way related to Philistines.
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@gamal Ok. You win. He was not shrewd, he just tried. Are you using Google translation? If yes, from which language?
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"why shrewd?" Look at many recognized or self-proclaimed prohets in Judaism and Christianity. Not a single one in Islam...
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@Misterioso "Of the three Abrahamic faiths, only Islam recognizes the prophets of the other two." It is a joke, right? Judaism took root some 1,700 years before Islam, Christianity 700 years before. How would they "recognize" Mohammed who lived much later in 7th century? I have to admit - it was rather shrewd for Mohammed to declare himself to be the last prophet. Of course, he had to "recognize" other prophets in order to be the last one. So, your statement does not make sense. There are some of religious Jews who are against Israel - like Neturei Karta. They believe that the Jewish state has to be established by a Messiah and Israel is illegitimate because it was established before his coming. However, I am atheist and don't care what they think.
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@annie https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries https://jewishaction.com/opinion/legal-ease-whats-the-truth-about-muslim-anti-semitism/ This page has many refernces: http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2013/04/amira-hass-ignores-centuries-of-muslims.html etc. It is a deep seated tradition https://www.thelocal.de/20100624/28069 You can lead a horse to water ... I have provided enough for you to see that my statement is correct.
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I will give you two for the price of one. There was Kingdom of Judea - which Romans called a province of Judea. Jesus was crucified as a rebel fighting to liberate his homeland. Another Jewish state - Israel - was destroyed centuries earlier.
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@annie http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/stoning.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism ... and many, many more. Now, I have to stress, over the centuries Jews had it better with Muslims than with Christians. Yes, there was humiliation and an occasional massacre, but nothing on the scale of what was happening in Europe at that time. Furthermore, most Arab Christians are more antisemitic than Arab Muslims. All I am saying is that it was not as nice and peaceful between Jews and Muslims as some would like to believe.
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@Eva Smagacz "Convince me..." Just read wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi , for example: "There were a number of restrictions on dhimmis. In a modern sense the dhimmis would be described as second-class citizens. Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Display of non-Muslim religious symbols, such as crosses or icons, was prohibited on buildings and on clothing (unless mandated as part of distinctive clothing). Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells and the blowing of the shofar. They were also not allowed to build or repair churches without Muslim consent. Moreover, dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims. In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities. Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses." Of course, this terse language needs an interpretation. Dhimmis were not allowed to ride horses to that their heads would not be higher that a head of a Muslim. Muslim men could marry a non-Muslim woman, their children would have to be brought up as Muslims. Muslim women were not allowed to marry a non-Muslim. Muslims could not convert to other religions under punishment of death. There were other rituals of humiliation. For example, Muslim children were encouraged to throw stones at Jews, and Jews could not respond - only cover or run away. Dhimmi status was also very shaky - any time they could be put out side of law. This, for example, happened to Armenians in Ottoman empire. Turks declared all them traitors - just read about Armenian genocide. Convinced?
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@John O I had visited Spain a couple years ago. My observation is despite these efforts there are plenty of antisemitism ingrained into the Spanish psyche . I say it based on my limited engagement with Spaniards - primarily with official tour guides and their brief comments. For example, one guide was referring to a Jewish treasurer of a queen and commented - "you know how Jews and money". Another guide was showing a Star of David in a Catholic Church and claimed that conversos convinced the church to put it in in order to secretly Judaize and spread out Jewish symbols. And these were official guides - I would imagine they had to have a certain level of education, pass some sort of an exam, etc.
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KJV ? Bullshit! When was it written? There are plenty of comparisons of the original Hebrew text, for example, and its English translations. "Palestine" was the later inclusion.
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