@ You got can of worms to put down the fortified egg nog long enough to respond to you
And by god, you got CoW to put down the nog long enough, again, to respond to you, in a paroxysm of anger and despair.
I am part of a family of the worst sort. raised in the gutter. never even met any 'heads of hospitals'. however we are loveable, and very cute and, in the workings of our strange brain, we are the best future stakeholders
When do I ‘put down the eggnog’? Hmmm. if I had any sense I wouldn’t, I guess. Anyway some of the conversations here are about things I do not know anything about, like, for example, American politics or intl law. Some are about things I know so well that they seem obvious & tired, like, for example, about the thousand crimes and perversions of Zionism. My fur frizzes when I trip along some shared sets of assumptions, that come at you like gaping traps where you really didn’t expect them…
(and now, I tell myself: CoW, please please please just be quiet. And by god I will.)
edit: In no way am I, in the least, critiquing the original excellent article, much less the family, but just the comment that, “it showed us what a solid hardworking family she came from, people of restraint and dignity. This is the sort of family that is essential as stakeholders in any vision of a future for Israel and Palestine”
I was again trying to locate where the evidence of praiseworthy restraint came from, and what I could find was this: “Hadil’s family said the Israeli military must produce CCTV footage captured by cameras at the checkpoint that show the knife came from Hadil, ‘or shut up.’ ” (--as if all the IOF were doing was talking--)
Please understand, we "rabbits" always get the sense that we aren’t hardworking enough, aren’t full of restraint, and, essentially, that nobody really cares for you as the future’s stakeholder.
And, as one speaking in an occupation, I also find it hard when what is praised is restraint. It just touches a nerve.
Who can really praise either uprising , or restraint?
And as a rabbit, again, this is what happens -- people just suppose they got you to come out of your hole, whereas you were simply traipsing along, like a happy go lucky, in a world where everything is already perfectly articulated.
“It showed us what a solid hardworking family she came from, people of restraint and dignity. This is the sort of family that is essential as stakeholders in any vision of a future for Israel and Palestine”
Firstly , who are you to be praising restraint? For crying out loud.
Nothing like moderates praising restraint . “I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is …the white moderate … who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods....” (Dr. King)
Secondly , “This is the sort of family that is essential as stakeholders in any vision of a future”
Who are you to be saying what “sort of family” is essential as stakeholders? All families are essential as stakeholders!
Thirdly , correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see anywhere in the article any indication of what “this sort of family” is . The only things I could find in the article regarding the family are:
---- (1) Hadil’s father: “Salah al-Hashlamoun, 55, a doctor and head of a hospital in Hebron”
---- (2) Hadil’s mother: “Hadil’s mother Rawhide al-Hashlamoun, 47.”
Sooooooo…. What makes “this sort of family” what is “essential” as “stakeholders”?
That the father was a medical professional??? Or perhaps, that the mother was 47? --Ah! I see your point.
Sounds just like a nice, err, modern, err, Western, err, "hardworking" (protestant work ethic!), err, “restrained” (reasonable, subdued, unobtrusive, non-savage) family, just what should be "essential" for "stakeholders".
For pete’s sake.
Edit. Ugh. I am sorry –This is what happens, when you deal with an unbearable palimpsest.
Anyhow, building on the forgoing thought, the main point is less about any particular idea, than about who can speak it.
And the need for a movement on the ground, is precisely because BDS on its own simply cannot resolve some of the struggles faced by occupied Palestinians.
I mean, some people keep saying: BDS is the only hope; it is nonviolent action. Or: a change in American policy is in the offing, it’s the only hope; AIPAC is going down.
That might be very well. But on the ground, there’s a problem that popular protests are easily squashed, and so-called 'violence' is also squashed. BDS, or NGOs, or parties in the government which “represent” Palestinians, often do not allow a space for ordinary Palestinians to act meaningfully. And ‘inaction’ is not a neutral space, it is a humiliation. It adds to whatever else one may accrue from having to stand by from year to year.
Putting, for a moment, all else aside (including the drinks with generals, the tennis games with lieutenants, the buckshot with officers, the golf with presidents, and the long lonely nights spent with Clausewitz)--- putting it all aside.
You either prescribe “nonviolent resistance,” or you ascribe to the use of armed resistance as a necessary means of liberation from colonial rule. These discourses affect the struggle, underlie popular support for groups, and determine state policies. There is no reason to debase arguments merely on the basis that the commenter is an ‘armchair warrior’, is far away from the scene, is shielded, is an instigator of uprisings, or makes things "start" by offering their "military advice" -- such as it is.
In the first place, I mean, if you’re going to argue on behalf of “nonviolence,” you’re just as much an ‘armchair warrior’, because the status quo is already one of violence.
Secondly, the colonial equation means that those in the 1948 and 1967 occupations are controlled by the internalized knowledge that they will be negatively affected by any action they might possibly take as individuals.
By some people's logic, nobody can speak about strategy, because either one is too far away or one is too near. What follows, is that the only ones who have the supposed legitimacy to say anything about it are a few Palestinians who have a voice, usually because they’re academics, and an entire arc of non-Palestinians, who say liberation depends on them and their “BDS.” BDS doesn’t substitute for popular resistance on the ground-- and a movement has to be based on some ideology regarding force.
I have absolutely no idea about JVP, and I certainly shouldn't anticipate anyone's reply, however, as you many know, I myself am very much 1SS, and my feeling is that people can be rallied around one thing -- the truth. The people will get there by themselves, and better, without your needing to dictate answers to them. They already knew it.
Maybe that is the logic?
"BTW great answer....i recognize it for what it is, how it looks and acts, by its behaviors." Aye. It really was.
@ ““The only alternatives for them are prison and emigration.”
I don’t even think that’s true
Anyway, I, too, have a subject for an Israeli movie, a horror flick, called “Creeping Apartheid!”. A liberal middle class Jewish-Israeli family in a Jewish-only gated community, minding their own business and trying their best to live a segregated life, comes to believe that the specter of Apartheid is creeping around their Jewish-only suburban town, their segregated school, their home, their bed at night. It’s terrible, it’s invisible, it’s slowly approaching! It’s creeping and crawling like a drove of coackroaches on the squeaky clean kitchen tiles. Aaaah!