For those who wish to focus only on current events, the alien set of ideas and hijacking aspect is in the past anyways. Anti-Zionists need to realize that the majority of Jewish people identify with Zionism and the majority (if not all) of non-Jewish people who identify with Zionism do not live in Israel.
In addition, I suggest everybody re-assess their position and direction. The two-state solution is essentially dead and one state is unofficially already here, especially when most Israelis admit they are willing to accept Apartheid. Israel is the self-proclaimed Jewish state. Many if not most of the world would not deny this, even among some critical of Israeli policies. Most Jews believe Israel is the Jewish state. Those who do not believe this, what do you believe? Do they want to destroy the modern UN nation state of Israel? Because that will certainly scare people away. Distance themselves from the state and its people or from its state policies?
If the anti-Zionists among the diaspora want to dissociate with the state of Israel, they should realize that nearly half the world's Jewish people live in Israel and mostly aren't going anywhere. They should realize that most Jewish people are always going to be partial to Israel for one reason or another, especially since many have family living there. So again I suggest everybody re-assess their position and direction because right now I really don't see the point.
The reason I moved along earlier was because of far-left group-think witnessed in some comments. Liberalism is not the same as the far-left. True liberalism is a centric approach aka left-center, center, and right-center. Many among the left and far-left are the Marxist socialist subverter types and I think it's obvious that they along with Zionist agent provocateurs have subverted the anti-Zionist movement. I wouldn't be surprised if real anti-Semites tried to do the same thing but there is an awful lot more socialist types trying to make Zionism into some ideology separate from Jewishness when the two are inseparable even if you choose to keep your head in the sand and refuse to believe it. For those that do, please take off your blinders and see past your confirmation bias to the whole picture.
It's one thing to lay ground rules and outline a direction. When the rules are subject to case-by-case interpretation, the direction is not clear and the movement is polarized, I know which 'side' I do not want to be on. In the West, the 'left' is more fashionable than the 'right' leading the 'right' to be picked on more than the 'left' and the far-right completely demonized for good reason. Yet the far-left should be equally demonized because they are just as bad. The difference is they are differently bad and the left-biased West accepts it when they should not. Address critics, don't silence them unless they are obviously trolls. That's my opinion anyways.
In my opinion little of this is helping the I/P problem. Ignoring history when there are loose ends is a recipe for disaster. Ignoring the reality of the situation is not going to change it. Demographically there might now be more Palestinians than Jews from the river to the sea but not by much. Flooding Israel with refugees might seem just but a lot of things have changed since '48. It's not realistic nor desirable. Most were born in refugee camps and many who were in Jordan have been given Jordan citizenship. Some sort of compensation is of course due, but you have to take everything into account. Including the fact that some refugees might not be waiting to 'return' but are just taking advantage of welfare resources. IMO you need to take a centric POV and realize these things no matter how un-politically correct they are. They still are facts and truth. Ignoring them, censoring them, suppressing them… Not going to change the status quo. Smearing people and others they associate with as anti-semites when they are not along with dissociation is not going to make friends nor will it solve any problems.
I haven't been an activist for very long, just a few years, and in this time I have lost a few friends for irrational reasons. They refuse to speak to me and at this point even though I care, it doesn't matter. Raising perceptions and awareness to the real greater good for this planet and doing things about it… that's what I think is important. Acknowledge facts and truth no matter how uncomfortable it is because the truth does hurt sometimes. Doesn't mean it should be suppressed. In my honest opinion, I see several here who are unwilling to confront relevant historical truths and even resorting to the tactics of the opposition and labeling it antisemitic when it isn't. And if it does manifest as that, maybe that's a response and an irrational one because of reactive (defensive) thinking. We're only human after all. Nobody is perfect. Maybe these people don't think it helps and it scares people away. Maybe they're right in that regard. Can't please everybody though. Keep moving the goal posts and everybody gets scared away. The unwarranted attack on Finkelstein a few months ago already did that to me
The infighting is a direct result of establishing a group identity to any sort of movement. Natural human social characteristics try to steer the group and eventually standards are set. Disagree with any of the standards and the group starts to hate you. This is when groups become cults and group think is bad. Group think is always bad IMO.
Individual expression of ideas is healthy and can be debated in a healthy manner. Group of expression of ideas can lead to the odd person out being smeared by the group. I'm seeing that in some of these posts, perceptions have been created and perceptions can have a blinding effect if you aren't aware of the whole picture.
What if an agent provocateur among the group steers it the wrong way and the group follows? Then anybody who no longer agrees in the direction is smeared. What if something like that happened to BDS? Or has already happened? Doesn't have to be an agent provocateur. Even if a differing of opinions regarding direction. I agree with BDS in principle, but the group has cemented goals that go beyond ending the occupation and one of those goals might be self-defeating.
Absolute defined language as opposed to neutral language is good for being specific, good when you don't want somebody to manipulate the intent. "return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194" sounds good in principle. It ignores the other half of article 11: "and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."
This is relevant because the latter is more realistic considering the resolution is 64 years old and was not written from a modern perspective. Make no doubt about it, they should be compensated by the guilty. They should be resettled (or a Palestinian state if that ever happened) and some should be resettled in Israel, but Israel/Palestine cannot hold all of them, not that all of them would come back. It would destroy it demographically for sure, but it would just flat out destroy it.
Some of us are okay with that, but most people aren't. I don't think you can sell this thing with such a specific absolute point here. I disagreed with Finkelstein before but he's just being honest and I think not only do I understand, I agree with him.
Herod was half Edomite and half Arab
Palestinians are the indiginous peoples of that particular region. Contrary to popular myth, it was not common for 'invaders' as you deceptively refer to them (because you're using that label to demonize Arabs when in reality the same applies to the Sea Peoples, biblical Hebrews, Romans, etc), to displace entire native populations. Travel was limited in those days and in cases such as Egypt the conquerors were in much smaller numbers compared to the natives they now ruled over. They assimilated and in time you can even say they can even be bred out. Exceptions would be invading hoards looking for a new home land (like the Sea Peoples) because they lost their own or grossly exaggerated myths that are not actual history. Travel was very limited in those days. Palestinians are very much descended from Sea Peoples, Phoenicians, Romans, Hebrews/Jews, Edomites, Arabs, Persians, etc.
They have more of a right to claim anything done in ancient times than European colonists do. They've got the blood of ancient Jews, Romans, and Arabs running through them so they can lay claim to Jerusalem, Aelia Capitolina, Al Quds, etc. Zionist colonists from Europe cannot.