The Special Relationship is Becoming a Harder and Harder Sell
The U.S. and Israel: Diverging Interests
Obviously the real “concerns and interests” of the United States in the Middle East have noticeably diverged from those of Israel. As a consequence Israel is now loudly complaining that Washington has abandoned it. Well, Washington might do well to play the same game – to loudly complain about Israel’s traitorous behavior. After all, the U.S. gives that country a lot of money and weaponry and now the Israelis chose to support their benefactor’s enemy.
We can count on the Zionist lobby to try to obfuscate this fact. And, given that their financial and ideological power helps shape self-serving political interests in Congress, they may be able to pull it off, at least in that venue. They are also financially backing the Republicans when it comes to the 2016 presidential race. Can those politicians who support the Israeli perspective win that election?
Hopefully, the Israeli point of view will now prove to be a hard sell when it comes to the American voter. The recent agreement with Iran has created a new reality for the country’s foreign policy – one that is consistent with the popular desire for no further U.S. military involvement in the Middle East. It is going to be difficult for bought-off politicians, even those allied with Fox TV, to throw everything into reverse and declare al-Qaeda an ally and Iran still the mortal enemy. Hopefully, that will translate into political failure in 2016 for anyone who wants to undo the new accord with Iran.
imho, Obama sees Iran as more valuable to US interests than Israel...
Is this the comment you refer to?
‘the last 140 years is somehow dismissible, based upon some dictionary definition of “what is a Jew?” shows the arrogance of amateurs and outsiders” – Yonah
And is this Mooser's comment that you have a problem with?
"I’m with you, Yonah. I don’t need any outsider telling me what Judaism should be!
Judaism will be what Jews want it to be. And I really doubt you will get any chance to pass judgement on what it will be. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the Zionist Orthodoxy doesn’t become the model for almost everything Jews don’t want to be.
But one thing I can guarantee you, Yonah, they will be what they want, or they won’t be Jews. You can’t get the Gentiles to do you that little favor again.
But this is ridiculous, what it comes down to Yonah, is pretty clear: you would see Judaism die, and dance at its grave, if Judaism doesn’t dance to your tune. Well, pal, that’s your problem, and you can’t make it anybody else’s.
Or are you deigning to tell us what G-d wants for Judaism? Has He told you?"
If so, I'll start with your comment to me: "i’ll bet you a bud that your defense of mooser is only on general grounds not on the comment that i was reacting to. "
You lose, but I'll take a Heineken, I don't drink Bud :-)
Reflect on your comment a moment, will you? You are accusing me of not reading the comment you made nor the response from Mooser. That implies a lot of things you think about me, don't you think? Secondly, I read your comment (‘the last 140 years is somehow dismissible, based upon some dictionary definition of “what is a Jew?” shows the arrogance of amateurs and outsiders” – ) exactly as Mooser does... that is, your definition of what is a Jew is THE definition... others don't count (which, some would say is arrogant in and of itself).
In my opinion there is nothing irrational about Mooser's response to you. Clever, yes... irrational, no. What you fail to grasp from his comment is Mooser's suggestion that Judaism is not easily defined, that Jews are not an organization that acts as a single unit - a monolith. .. that no one, not even another Jew, can define what a Jew means when s/he says "I'm a Jew" - BUT, all of this is presumptuous of me. I have no business thinking I know what Mooser means. Goodness, half the time I don't know what I mean to say! I'm just trying to illustrate to you that there is no "I hate Yonah" in Mooser's comment. Let's leave it at that. Mooser is far too complex for me to dissect.
I made the first request - that you post a comment from Mooser wherein he expresses hate of anyone or anything. You ignored that, and made a request of me (which I must say is standard M.O. for a zionist, imho of course). Since I am an old woman (as my name implies) it is difficult to change a lifetime habit of being polite in conversation even when I recognize I am being manipulated, I responded to your request.
Now... It's your turn. Where's Mooser's hate filled comment?
via Moon of Alabama wrt Netenyahu statement that he won't "cede" Palestinian lands."
Another Netanyahoo Flip-Flop The U.S. Will Ignore
Netanyahu denies report he's backed off two-state solution
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office denied reports on Sunday he has backed away from a 2009 commitment to seek a two-state peaceful solution with the Palestinians.
Netanyahu "never said such a thing," his office said in a statement responding to the reports.
That would be the same Netanyahoo office which shortly before confirmed his statements.
But does Netanyahoo really holds the two irreconcilable commitments at the same time?
The Jewish Daily Forward, not suspect of peddling the Protocols of the Elders on Zion, has a possible answer. Netanyahoo is, like other Israelis, simply lying to the Americans:
“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”
“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”
But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.
“Americans are perceived to be naive, especially when it comes to the Middle East,” said Uri Dromi, who served as a spokesman for the Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres governments.
"Whatever we tell them, the Americans will swallow it," seems to be the Israeli position. And that assessment is likely correct. The U.S. public can be endlessly duped and should it ever be wavering in its support of the colony one only has to remind it of those not-so-mystical shared values:
In a harsh comment Sunday, Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman advocated “cutting of the heads” of Arabs who were not loyal to Israel. “Those who are with us deserve everything, but those who are against us deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe,” Liberman said at an election event Sunday.
Chopping of heads, droning a wedding - what is, after all, the difference?