I do not really care about my disadvantage I find this and other sites, lack any contextual scholarship that would include a story with two sides, so you are saying you do not want to engage because your side is the ultimate and only side, so I must be at such a disadvantage, you must be so uneducated in history or scholarship and debate, even the discussion of Joan Peters book, yes some people call it rubbish, but many people cal the attacks on greatly exaggerated, and Dershowitz has argued forcefully against the attacks. I am not saying you version is wrong, but common. So what I am saying is most Zionist think this fight for land is a religious fight not a territorial fight, that is what emerged after all this time. So any negotiations (to Zionist) are a trojan horse on the way to complete control of Israel, where the Jews are gone. You can think this is retarded but it has a side to argue. Ever read the Hamas Charter calling for genocide of the Jews? Why write that if you are only interested in " nationalistic goals of self determination". That's right kill the Jews. Below from Rashid Kahlidi.
In his 1997 book, Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness, historian Rashid Khalidi notes that the archaeological strata that denote the history of Palestine—encompassing the Biblical, Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Fatimid, Crusader, Ayyubid, Mamluk and Ottoman periods—form part of the identity of the modern-day Palestinian people, as they have come to understand it over the last century, but derides the efforts of some Palestinian nationalists to attempt to "anachronistically" read back into history a nationalist consciousness that is in fact "relatively modern." Khalidi stresses that Palestinian identity has never been an exclusive one, with "Arabism, religion, and local loyalties" playing an important role. He argues that the modern national identity of Palestinians has its roots in nationalist discourses that emerged among the peoples of the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th century which sharpened following the demarcation of modern nation-state boundaries in the Middle East after World War I. He acknowledges that Zionism played a role in shaping this identity, though "it is a serious mistake to suggest that Palestinian identity emerged mainly as a response to Zionism." Khalidi describes the Arab population of British Mandatory Palestine as having "overlapping identities," with some or many expressing loyalties to villages, regions, a projected nation of Palestine, an alternative of inclusion in a Greater Syria, an Arab national project, as well as to Islam. He writes that,"local patriotism could not yet be described as nation-state nationalism."
You hate Zionist with no mitigating factors for debate, you hate Jews. The rest is bullshit. Go worry about the Syrians, where more muslims have died in 5 minutes than Palestinians in the entire conflict since 1948
The Arabs in Palestine were not indigenous to Palestine. Palestine was never an independent country with an indigenous people, as in most of Arabia, the Arabs living in Palestine originated from Syria, Iraq, Egypt, all over. There was never a Palestinian culture, government or coinage, like the Shekel. And most of the Arabs living in Palestine were recent, I said most not all, and there were Indigenous Jews living in Palestine since the fall of the temple, not many but there was a Hebron community in 1928. Arabs migrated to Palestine for work, when the Jews figured out how to irrigate and farm the land. Palestine was an ottoman backwater, and most of the land was sold to Jews by Ottoman Arabs gladly, no one wanted to be there. Do you know the population of Palestine in 1948?
I do not absolve anyone, there are two sides to this story, but I do not demonize and dehumanize any side, Arabs or Jews. Arab leaders hold most of the blame for this conflict. Jews are not supremacist that is a lie, that is not the foundation or the focus of Zionism, it is just not and to call an ideology or a group immoral is just not helpful, it goes no where. So what do you think of Saudi Arabia, where it is a muslim only country are they supremacist? Or any other muslim countries where no other religion can live as equals, where Christians and Jews are demonized? What do you call that? Your depictions and comments are childish, things you have been taught to say that sounds like oh there is the problem the zionist are racist. Judaism is a moral religion and was one of the first ideology that championed the rights of individuals, and was adjudicating individual rights when Europe was a sand lot. Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement, and have really tried hard to work this mess out. Your comments are not only stupid they are not helpful. Jews wanted a Jewish only state not for a superior reason, but for a defense against jew hatred like yours, the was and is prevalent all over the world. The Jews are blamed and scape goated, it is a long history. I personally find Islam far more racist than Judaism. You know there is still an active slave trade for Africans in Libya. I know the gray area of conflict is more difficult and harder to deal with much easier to just say one side is pure evil. So delicious for you to say Zionism is supremacist, must make you feel so good, to know all the answers.
The dehumanizing, delegitimizing, self righteousness of all of these anti -zionist sites, is so bluntly racist in it's origins, it will never succeed in bringing Israel down. It is fundamentally immoral andI I believe in the long arc of morality. Jews, zionists, Israelis whatever, there are good and bad, like any other people, there is no plot no planning no lock steps. There were two peoples involved in this debacle, the Arabs and the Jews, and both are guilty of the situation is now. Jews would never let Palestinian refugees just rot in ghettos in Lebanon to make a purely political statement. They are not allowed to work, or reside as equals. Israel has taken every Jewish refugee in as a full citizen. They receive no help. Why don't you trash Lebanon? Oh no Jews poor Lebanon.
You kidding me, just look at all the writings by the mufti of Jerusalem, just read under the shade of the koran by sayid q'tub, tons of writings about how the Jews got it all wrong, to accept the jews as equal would be to delegitimize islam, which has never shared anything with anyone in any muslim country as equal citizens. Are you the tooth fairy? Jews living in muslim countries were not equal citizens they were dimi and had to pay a tax and could not do a lot of things their muslim citizens could. Study the jews of aleppo. The islamic religion during muslim conquest turned all the churches into mosque, like building the dome of rock over the temple mount. When Jews can live equally in the 32 muslim only countries, hey are they a little racist maybe? I will think about it all being equal. the original mandate included trans jordan (talk about colonial imperialism the Hashmites were just handed that country), you act like israel was the only colonial enterprise. There were more jewish refugees from muslim lands than arab refugees from palestine. why couldn't there be a partition of jews and muslims. like pakistan and india? this whole conversation is like taking the whole mess out of context. The pals turned down many offers, wasn't it Arafat that turned down camp david with clinton in 2000, that was pretty well documented along with Ehud Barak offering them everything Jerusalem, etc.