Would actual citations to sources referenced be too much to ask?
Mooser, why don’t you call me Yitzchak or Yitz? Ok, how should the US “integrate” your “Jewish nationality” and “US nationality”? I don’t think it cares that much–it’s really up to you. BTW, did ever you sing “Lo yisa goy” in camp?
Without knowing anything about sacred books and the like, one can see that the point that matters here is that at this or that point in time, a word that is translated, for lack of anything more precise, as “nation” has come to mean “born outside the tribe / not of Jewish ancestry” in the general language, Jewish and non.
I understood the point, but I don’t think it’s correct. Look at the first verse of the second Psalm. You see a usage of “goyim” that roughly means non-Jews because it refers to the nations of the world. Goy as just nation and as non-Jew are related meanings, or shadings, and you already see it in the Torah (or Bible if you like.) I don’t think the Torah uses the singular “goy” to mean an individual non-Jew, but the meaning of nation never went away. You have to imagine a whole literacy based on Jewish texts. Quote “nation will not lift up the sword against nation anymore” in Hebrew to a Jewishly literate person and he might be reminded of the familiar song “Lo yisa goy el goy cherev….”
By ‘traditional’ I was referring to the Judaism that emerged in the diaspora in the Dark Ages, not biblical Judaism.
Another “biblical” example would be “vayehi sham legoy atzum varav”–“he [Jacob] became a great nation, mighty and powerful” (Deuteronomy 26:5). That one also appears in the Pesach Haggadah. Wouldn’t that loom large in “traditional” consciousness? Or give me a reason to think otherwise. And see Deuteronomy 4:34, also in the Haggadah.
(only non-Jews constitute nations, goyim)
See Exodus 19:6
Speaking of Reckless Rites
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/reckless-rites-by-elliot-horowitz/
Speaking of the word geza, see Isaiah 11:1 (5 verses before the wolf dwelling with the lamb): “Geza Yishai”
It could be he was speaking with a bit of literary flair also. “Geza” is an example of a Modern Hebrew word adapted or evolved from a familiar older one. It’s a tree word–trunk maybe. If I saw “geza Yisrael,” I would just think it was a poetic way of saying “Jewish people.” I wouldn’t start thinking about genes and chromosomes. I’m admittedly a bad source for how Hebrew sounds to modern speakers, but the older layers of a language never completely go away. They remain available for a certain archaic flair. You probably can think of something analogous in English.
Israelis are doped in large part because of Hebrew , a language nobody else speaks.
So non-widely spoken languages are bad? Or they’re fine unless they’re Hebrew?
Israeli morality is good only in Hebrew.
For example?
It is very hard to stop a society that has been so many years on a different path to the rest of humanity.
What would it mean for all of “humanity” to be on the same linguistic “path”? You seem to be saying they all are except for Hebrew speakers. What if a Hebrew speaker is bilingual? Sorry about all the questions. I’m just trying to prod you to express yourself clearly.
So you see those references to “proto-Germanic” etc being made to match up linguistic history with somebody’s ideas of Scripture history?
IIAalsoNM, proto-Semitic was not an attempt to do that either.
Kasher un Freilechen Pesach