Israel Wants to Claim Livni as Its Obama (Good–Now Rise to the Occasion!)

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Haaretz has an article calling Tzipi Livni, who looks to be the next Prime Minister, Israel's Obama. Not just one article I see, but two.

Memo to Israel: Blacks were enslaved in the U.S. The Constitution counted them at 3/5ths of a man. The U.S. went through bloody struggles over 2 centuries to liberate them. Jim Crow. Segregation. The civil rights struggle. And, as Obama reminded AIPAC in June: the murders of Jews alongside blacks in the south in the 1960s.

For history could not wait any longer, in a postcolonial age, for the liberation of American blacks. And black empowerment here led to the divestment movement against apar****d.

If Livni is your Obama then lift your head and see where the world is going. Kosovo gets a state after 10 minutes, in a bloody region. Pakistan and India have had states for 60 years, in their bloody region. But the Palestinians have been denied a state for 60 years because they are unworthy of the great western democratic principles that Israel supposedly embodies, as it gobbles their land and imposes apar****d conditions. Sorry, have to use some ugly words now and then. 

Gobble gobble; David Bloom offers the following thoughts on Livni's image as a dove:

Livni wants to make the wall that steals 9.5% of the West Bank, including its most arable land, into the new border. Amnesty International reports: "While the Israeli government official position has been that the fence/wall is a temporary structure, all indications suggest otherwise. In November 2005, Tzipi Livni, then Justice Minister, stated publicly that the fence/wall would serve as “the future borders of the state of Israel”.

On Meretz USA's weblog, you can see one of the contributers is Hillel Schenker. He recently wrote this article in The Nation, in which he called Livni a "dove."

"In the short term, Kadima will now choose between Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni–whose political path from Likud princess to dove who sees reality as it is runs parallel to Olmert"

Does Schenker agree with making the wall the new border? Is Meretz/the Nation giving their imprimatur to Livni? A Palestinian negotiator once told me, "the debate between Sharon and Yossi Beilin is not over whether to steal Palestinian land, but how much."

7 Responses

  1. Richard Witty
    September 18, 2008, 12:31 pm

    Now you're dissing Yossi Beilin, who negotiated both Oslo and Geneva accords?

    You really don't like liberals, do you?

    Do you actually believe that land is Palestinian or Israeli? Isn't it the PEOPLE that are Palestinian or Israeli?

  2. Richard Witty
    September 18, 2008, 12:33 pm

    On David Bloom,

    A statement made in 2005, is not what Livni wants, more accurately what she wanted (past tense).

    What is it that you want?

  3. Craig
    September 18, 2008, 12:47 pm

    Witty: "Do you actually believe that land is Palestinian or Israeli? Isn't it the PEOPLE that are Palestinian or Israeli?"

    You seem to be implying that you don't believe in property rights. Then again, if someone were denying an Israeli's right to some piece of land in Palestine, you probably wouldn't be advancing this line of argument.

  4. Craig
    September 18, 2008, 12:50 pm

    Witty: "A statement made in 2005, is not what Livni wants, more accurately what she wanted (past tense)."

    Strictly speaking, you could make the same argument for something she said yesterday. Yesterday is, after all, in the past, just like 2005.

    The real question here is, is there some evidence that her views on this have changed in the last three years? If you have none, then you're making a specious argument, probably just because you don't like what Phil is saying and don't mind resorting to intellectual dishonesty to try to undercut it.

  5. Richard Witty
    September 18, 2008, 1:05 pm

    David is articulating and urging distrust, where developement of trust is needed.

    I strongly believe in property rights, as consented permission to use land (not as permanent and inalienable). They are however individual, not collective.

    Sovereignty on the other is collective, not individual.

    There is a difference between saying Palestinian land and Palestinian people, thats if you want to be democratic rather than fascist.

  6. Roy Belmont
    September 18, 2008, 1:06 pm

    Livni = Palin = mediagenic and invulnerable-by-virtue-of-being-women.
    Like the way Condi Rice, possibly the most tragic figure of this time, despite her complicity in the Bush Administration's criminal misuse of power, was and is mostly unassailable, by virtue of being black and a woman.
    Women who can instinctively do what their masters want without being overtly told are very desirable.
    Strong and independent in public light, pliant and submissive in the private chamber.

  7. anon
    September 18, 2008, 3:23 pm

    So Richard, what are your thoughts on what some would say are abuses in the law of Emminent Domain? Please be sure to tell us
    who you conceive of as "the people" forwhich private rights can be taken (with some fig leave of compensation).

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