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March 20, 2018, 8:40 pm

I’m flabbergasted. This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along. Zionism one day will be seen itself as anti-Semitic simply because it gives Jews a bad name. BDS is just a tool to implement pressure to induce Israel to human rights. The actual instrument of the demise is Zionist policy itself. One can only shoot oneself in the foot while placing firmly in the mouth so many times before it gets to be a problem. Maybe they will wake up, but I won’t hold my breath.

shaun patrick
March 20, 2018, 7:32 pm

Thanks Phil a great piece. I still fail to understand Israel’s logic in not wanting a two state solution. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the Israeli public lead by the right wing is so full of of hubris,arrogance and completely devoid of realty that it thinks that it is above the Torah and basic the decency of humanity and that the world will welcome their apartheid culture and encourage their enterprise.

James Canning
March 20, 2018, 7:02 pm

There seems no doubting the fact Israel is undermining its own democracy by its endless occupation of the West Bank. Those who promote the illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank help to subvert Israel’s own true best interests.

March 20, 2018, 7:01 pm

|| JLewisDickerson:
MORE LIKE IT: I’m asked if we will forever live by the sword Apache® attack helicopter armed with Hellfire® missiles – yes, says prime minister. … ||

But it will surely be the “most moral” Apache® attack helicopter armed with Hellfire® missiles.

March 20, 2018, 6:56 pm

AGM-114 Hellfire
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire

[EXCERPT] The AGM-114 Hellfire [by Lockheed Martin] is an air-to-surface missile (ASM) first developed for anti-armor use, but later models were developed for precision strikes against other target types, and have been used in a number of targeted killings of high-profile individuals. It was originally developed under the name Heliborne, Laser, Fire and Forget Missile, which led to the colloquial name “Hellfire” ultimately becoming the missile’s formal name.[3] It has multi-mission, multi-target precision-strike ability, and can be launched from multiple air, sea, and ground platforms, including the Predator drone. The Hellfire missile is the primary 100-pound (45 kg) class air-to-ground precision weapon for the armed forces of the United States and many other nations. . .

Unit cost US$117,000

Lake of fire
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_of_fire

[EXCERPT] A lake of fire appears, in both ancient Egyptian and Christian religion, as a place of after-death destruction of the wicked. The phrase is used in four verses of the Book of Revelation. Such a lake also appears in Plato’s Phaedo, explicitly identified with Tartarus, where the souls of the wicked are tormented until it is time for them to be reborn, and where some souls are left forever. The image was also used by the Early Christian Hippolytus of Rome in about the year 200 and has continued to be used by modern Christians. Related is Jewish Gehenna which, among other things, like hell, is a valley near Jerusalem where trash was burned. . .

The hunchback of notre dame – Hellfire HD

March 20, 2018, 6:54 pm

“I get those two mixed up.”

We all do at some time or another. It’s easily done.

March 20, 2018, 6:46 pm

MENDOZA. Now, we tolerate all opinions here. But after all, comrades, the vast majority of us are neither Anarchists nor Socialists, but gentlemen and Christians.
THE MAJORITY [shouting assent] Hear, hear! So we are. Right.
THE ROWDY SOCIAL-DEMOCRAT [smarting under suppression] You aint no Christian. Youre a Sheeny, you are.
MENDOZA [with crushing magnanimity] My friend: I am an exception to all rules. It is true that I have the honor to be a Jew; and when the Zionists need a leader to reassemble our race on its historic soil of Palestine, Mendoza will not be the last to volunteer [sympathetic applause—Hear, hear, &c.]. But I am not a slave to any superstition. I have swallowed all the formulas, even that of Socialism; though, in a sense, once a Socialist, always a Socialist.

Shaw, Man and Superman, Act 3

I haven’t read Farrell. I do remember Life of Brian.

March 20, 2018, 6:41 pm

MORE LIKE IT: I’m asked if we will forever live by the sword Apache® attack helicopter armed with Hellfire® missiles – yes, says prime minister.

Wikileaks – Apache® fires Hellfire® missiles into building full of innocent people

DISCLAIMER: The Apache® name adopted by Boeing for their attack helicopter is in no way meant to connote endorsement by the Apache Native American Tribe.

March 20, 2018, 6:28 pm

listen to this interview with Gilbert Doctorow about the deteriorating relations between russia and the usa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsmVhwRVcQQ

March 20, 2018, 6:27 pm

” link to a specific comment on another Mondoweiss page?”

In the Good Old Days you could go directly from the 100 most recent page to the comment in the thread. All you had to do was click on the date of the comment. Now you have to go to the commenter’s archive and hunt for it there.

March 20, 2018, 6:27 pm

ALICE DIANE KISCH- “I had so hoped that you would be a California politician whom I could support, of whom I could be proud.”

Now who has been drinking kool-aid? Zionist Jews effectively own the Democratic Party. You simply cannot run for anything significant as a Democrat without pledging your fealty to Israel. Period. That will not soon change. For those who may have missed it, I once again quote and link to an article telling about how Tom Hayden had to declare his loyalty to Israel to even run as a Democrat for the California State Assembly.

“In fact, Hayden had to, in his words, be “declared ‘kosher’ by the ultimate source, the region’s representative of the state of Israel,” Benjamin Navon, Israel’s Counsul-general in Los Angeles.

In other words, in this article Hayden was describing, in an unusually concrete way, how the state of Israel, through its state officials and their compliant American partners, was effectively managing—exercising veto power over Democratic Party candidates, at the very least—American elections down to the level of State Assembly. In any constituency “attuned to the question of Israel, even in local and state elections,” Hayden knew he “had to be certified ‘kosher,’ not once but over and over again.” (Jim Kavanagh) http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/27/tom-haydens-haunting/

March 20, 2018, 5:42 pm

Broadside, no need to apologize. My wife, Jan, and I share your views as well.

March 20, 2018, 5:41 pm

MK partially blames High Court for next murder of IDF soldiers
• Bayit Yehudi’s Moti Yogev attacks judicial bodies after he demands that they sanction demolition of home of terrorist who killed 2 soldiers in car-ramming attack; ‘The HCJ reduces IDF’s deterrence powers and it needs to know its place.’
By Shahar Hay | Published: 03.18.18 , 19:08

[EXCERPTS] A Bayit Yehudi MK accused the High Court of Justice (HCJ) Sunday of being responsible for reducing the IDF’s deterrence capabilities by prohibiting the demolition of terrorists’ houses, adding that its actions will make it partially culpable for the next terror attack on soldiers.

“The High Court of Justice is party to reducing the deterrence powers of IDF soldiers and the State of Israel in the next murder—not us—because it doesn’t allow home demolitions,” MK Moti Yogev said.

The controversial comments were made during a radio interview and came against a background of his request to demolish the homes of terrorists, especially that belonging to Alaa Kabha who on Friday rammed into a patrol of IDF soldiers with his car on route 585 between the settlements of Mevo Dotan and Hermesh, killing two of the soldiers—an officer and a conscript—and moderately-to-seriously wounding two others.

“We can’t rely on the excuses that the HCJ doesn’t allow (home demolition). We need to put the court to the side for 72 hours and not to consider its castrating opinion,” Yogev said. . .

. . . MK Revital Swid, from the Zionist Union, described Yogev as an “irresponsible populist” who doesn’t hesitate “for a second to incite without thinking that our soldiers are being given the false message that the HCJ is abandoning their lives.”

She also went on to condemn Bayit Yehudi leader Naftali Bennett for failing to speak up on the matter.

“Bayit Yehudi leader Naftali Bennett’s silence, and that of Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked—who stands at the helm of the judicial system—who didn’t condemn the remarks, is terrible. They cannot ignore them in silence.” . . .

ENTIRE ARTICLE – https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5177865,00.html

March 20, 2018, 4:55 pm

PARANAM KID- ” If you find I am still not getting it, I apologise.”

No need to apologize for having a different opinion. That is what discussions are all about. Please be aware, however, that discussions on Mondoweiss can sometimes get heated. I have had my share of those. Just hang in there and don’t take it personal.

March 20, 2018, 4:49 pm

I came across a great Nazi era quote by Dietrich Boenhoffer that applies now to Judaism.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Christianity has adjusted itself much too easily to the worship of power. It should give much more offence, more shock to the world, than it is doing.”

It was too late for Christianity. It is too late for Judaism.

March 20, 2018, 4:31 pm

Prometheus – Guy Pearce Weyland Viral Video (HD)

Prometheus (Alien) 2012 The Engineer Speaks Deleted and Alternate Scene 119

March 20, 2018, 4:14 pm

Genesto, I worded that very poorly, my apologies.

March 20, 2018, 3:58 pm

RE: “The New Israeli Is Frankenstein’s Monster”

Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus

🗿 SCULPTURE: Prometheus depicted in a sculpture by Nicolas-Sébastien Adam, 1762 (Louvre)

[EXCERPT] In Greek mythology, Prometheus (/prəˈmiːθiːəs/; Greek: Προμηθεύς, pronounced [promɛːtʰeús], meaning “forethought”)[1] is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who is credited with the creation of man from clay, and who defies the gods by stealing fire and giving it to humanity, an act that enabled progress and civilization. Prometheus is known for his intelligence and as a champion of mankind.[2]

The punishment of Prometheus as a consequence of the theft is a major theme of his mythology, and is a popular subject of both ancient and modern art. Zeus, king of the Olympian gods, sentenced the Titan to eternal torment for his transgression. The immortal Prometheus was bound to a rock, where each day an eagle, the emblem of Zeus, was sent to feed on his liver, which would then grow back overnight to be eaten again the next day. (In ancient Greece, the liver was thought to be the seat of human emotions.)[3] In some stories, Prometheus is freed at last by the hero Heracles (Hercules).

In another of his myths, Prometheus establishes the form of animal sacrifice practiced in ancient Greek religion. Evidence of a cult to Prometheus himself is not widespread. He was a focus of religious activity mainly at Athens, where he was linked to Athena and Hephaestus, other Greek deities of creative skills and technology.[4]

In the Western classical tradition, Prometheus became a figure who represented human striving, particularly the quest for scientific knowledge, and the risk of overreaching or unintended consequences. In particular, he was regarded in the Romantic era as embodying the lone genius whose efforts to improve human existence could also result in tragedy: Mary Shelley, for instance, gave The Modern Prometheus as the subtitle to her novel Frankenstein (1818). . .

March 20, 2018, 3:43 pm

“And America was a country which had literally institutionalized many aspects of anti-Semitism right up into the 1960s.”

Until the Civil Rights laws saved us from second-class citizenship. And then look what happened!

March 20, 2018, 3:21 pm

Andrew Beaujon recently published a piece in the Washingtonian worth reading: The Left Has a Jennifer Rubin Problem, Too. He gives examples from Dan Rather, Laurence Tribe, Joy Reid, Salon, and Media Matters as evidence of her newfound embrace by liberals.

March 20, 2018, 3:19 pm

“Paranam Kid”, please read the “About” page.

March 20, 2018, 3:10 pm

… It matters who you are not as a person but as a matter of identity. That I think is the first big, big problem with Donald Trump. In defining America and governing and campaigning to one segment of the country, to white, primarily Christian, America, he is defining the rest of us out of the country. We are all becoming the other …

In defining Israel as a “Jewish State”, non-Jewish Israelis are defined out of the country.

… It is Jews, just like it’s any other minority group– any other unfavored, non majoritarian group– that requires the rule of law, that requires norms and a pact that puts all Americans regardless of birth on the same playing field. Without that we are subject to the whims of the president just like we are subject to the whims in historical terms of authoritarian leaders and dictators…

“Jewish State” again.

The rest of the article is more of the same. Just how tone-deaf can a Zionist get?!

March 20, 2018, 3:02 pm

An Evening with Reza Aslan at Indian Summer Festival

March 20, 2018, 2:54 pm

Good stuff from Lauder who is arch Establishment but it is too late. The settler Golem is unstoppable.

March 20, 2018, 2:53 pm

I read in Private Eye magazine that contract law in Israel is very weak. The country is a catastrophe.

March 20, 2018, 2:49 pm

|| Ossinev: And just when I thought that Zios couldn`t get more absurd:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/court-releases-palestinians-accused-of-not-intervening-in-old-city-stabbing/ … ||

Deeming the police’s case against them to be “weak,” a Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court judge released to house arrest six Palestinians who were arrested Tuesday for allegedly witnessing a fatal stabbing attack in the Old City and doing nothing to intervene.

Explaining his decision, Judge Eitan Cohen accepted the testimony of the defendants, who claimed that they did not manage to process what was happening in the 34 seconds between the stabbing of Adiel Kolman on Sunday and the police arrival at the scene.
. . .
“It seems that it is difficult to unequivocally state that they intentionally did not intervene in the matter,” the judge said, in rejecting the police’s request to extend the suspects’ remand for five days. …

I’m sure the “Jewish State” police are upset that they weren’t given enough time to interrogate the accused “in the dark, without witnesses and cameras” and extract the right confession.

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 2:32 pm

sure, you can ask him till the cows come home kid. but it’s unlikely you’ll get very far. here’s the deal, at a minimum i am going to assume you believe what you write — i figure i owe you at least that. iow, i am not going to assume for the sake of argument you’re deceptive, pretending, dishonest, or insincere.

i’ve been quite specific, repeatedly. and as you pointed out earlier, i’m just a commenter here. you can carry on all you want in whatever style you want, but the way you’re going about it (w/the argument someone is insincere and not taking their words at face value) the chance of it making any kind of impact, (imho) is zilch. ciao.

March 20, 2018, 2:25 pm

And just when I thought that Zios couldn`t get more absurd:
I wonder how many Jewish Israelis have been arrested/detained for not intervening to stop a “terrorist crime”? Somewhere in the region of 99.999999999% I expect.

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 2:22 pm

Riight. Tell me next that votes decide anything in the US. Or that the Madassalafi retards are “out front” just because they feel like it, not because someone, meaning the Zionist direction and the US, both roughly under the same BoD, has planned and organized that.

why would i do that, i am not playing your strawmen games. as i just mentioned to the kid earlier http://mondoweiss.net/2018/03/settler-palestinian-shepherd/#comment-910492

i see is that agency, of ongoing persistent extremism being acted out on the world stage, what’s happening in the WB, is a perfect example of extremists representing their ideology. (it also happens to be a perfect example of empire using extremists to further their cause, not that different than empire using isis to accomplish their imperial goals).

March 20, 2018, 2:15 pm

What on earth did the Palestinian people ever do to deserve their fate?

The Holocaust was the work of Germans against other Germanic people (the Ashkenazi who dominate Israel and Zionism) on another continent, three-quarters of a century ago.

Yet the Palestinians must endlessly pay the price, a terrible price.

And, of course, the Israeli injustice is strongly supported by America, a country which absolutely refused to take any refugees before Hitler began the Holocaust. It was quite blunt about it.

And a country whose great companies and wealthy people greatly assisted Hitler’s rise and early success.

The American Bund in the 1930s was a big movement in America, one whose uniforms and practices looked for all the world like the Nazi SA.

Possibly the most anti-Semitic book ever written was written by an American, a rich and famous one, Henry Ford. Hitler quite admired him.

And America was a country which had literally institutionalized many aspects of anti-Semitism right up into the 1960s.

The Ivy League Universities (very much including Harvard) and many important institutions had strict quotas on the number of Jews who were accepted.

Many American clubs and fraternal organizations banned them completely.

Yet today, this “brave” country with its stunningly cowardly and prejudiced past is the great defender of all things Israeli, that is, so long it’s the Palestinians paying the price.

Just shameful, all of it.

March 20, 2018, 2:13 pm

RE: “Tragedy in Israel. 2 young soldiers, Netanel Kahalani and Ziv Daos, murdered in the North [of the occupied West Bank – J.L.D.], and father of 4, Adiel Kolman, murdered in Jerusalem [i.e., occupied East Jerusalem ~ J.L.D.], by Palestinian terrorists [i.e. Palestinian militants] ~ J.L.D.]. Such brutality and no condemnation from the PA! I pray for the families and the wounded – so much sadness.” ~ Friedman

MY COMMENT : I agree with Friedman. The PA should have vigorously condemned the government of Israel for sacrificing these soldiers in order to continue the occupation in violation of international law. We should all pray for the families and the wounded – so much sadness as a consequence of the senseless, illegal occupation!


While Israel continues to rule over the West Bank, there are bound to be ever more frequent and more intensive acts of resistance by a population that is feeling encroached upon by a spreading pattern of Jewish colonization and whose yearning for independence is no less than was that of the Palestinian Jews in the early months of 1948. As long as Israel continues to govern that territory, she will have little choice but to retaliate in an increasingly offensive fashion just to keep order. The moral appeal of Israel’s case will consequently suffer and this will further erode her level of international support, although probably not among organized opinion within the Jewish Diaspora. This sharpening polarization is bound to contribute to an upsurge in overt antisemitism. ~ from Tony Klug’s pamphlet published in January 1977

Source: “Israel’s neverending occupation is bringing ‘infamy’ to Jews worldwide, making Jewish life ‘precarious’ — Tony Klug” ~ http://www.war-times.org/es/israel%E2%80%99s-neverending-occupation-bringing-%E2%80%98infamy%E2%80%99-jews-worldwide-making-jewish-life-%E2%80%98precarious%E2%80%99-%E2%80%94

Netanyahu: “We Will Forever Live By The Sword”, Indefinitely Control All Palestinian Territory | By IMEMC News | October 27, 2015

[EXCERPT] Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced his plan to control “all of the territory” and “live forever by the sword.”

The remarks were reported in Haa’retz newspaper, according to PNN, in an article by journalist Barak Ravid.

Mr Ravid wrote: “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that although he doesn’t want a binational state, “at this time we need to control all of the territory for the foreseeable future.”

MKs who took part in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee meeting – today (Monday) – reportedly told Mr Ravid that Netanyahu had turned to the politicians present and said: “You think there is a magic wand here, but I disagree. I’m asked if we will forever live by the sword – yes.” . . .

SOURCE – http://www.mintpressnews.com/netanyahu-we-will-forever-live-by-the-sword-indefinitely-control-all-palestinian-territory/210700/

“Netanyahu: I Don’t Want a Binational State, but We Need to Control All of the Territory for the Foreseeable Future” | By Barak Ravid | Haaretz.com | Oct 26, 2015
• ‘I’m asked if we will forever live by the sword – yes,’ says prime minister.
LINK – https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium–1.5413500

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 2:11 pm

And what are “settler pogroms” about, if not a planned part of the Zionist genocide of the owners of the country?

i get the feeling you think zionist genocide and religious ideology are mutually exclusive, when evidence suggests they are not. they work together hand in glove on the ground in the WB (as far as i am concerned).

in the context of this settler attack, it’s still the religious ideology animating it. and if you or anyone else care to argue it isn’t go for it.

Well, that’s exactly what we’re doing.

not that i can see. the nature of animation is that it ‘brings to life’ adds color, highlights and exaggeration or whatever. i don’t see you arguing religious fanaticism doesn’t animate zionist genocide. in fact, i see you arguing quite the opposite when you write “And what are “settler pogroms” about, if not a planned part of the Zionist genocide of the owners of the country? “

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 1:46 pm

kid, while we banter back and forth and argue our points at our leisure, some following the old article threads or perhaps the last 100 comment thread to follow the most recent conversations, others may be looking for the hottest, most compelling or fresh news on twitter or haaretz or nyt and volley literally 100’s of emails or list serves w/tips from readers or staff and writing articles about those tips. maybe a person like that literally doesn’t have the time or interest to follow or read all those comments or to respond to every argument or critique. that’s just one scenario in which someone might not be dodging your “issue” kid.

when i write my senator or call her office with a complaint, i don’t necessarily think she’s dodging me if she doesn’t call me back and respond to my argument (of course if i were donating a million dollars to her campaign i might expect better treatment!). sometimes a spade is just a spade, who knows. but what occurs to me is that unlike others, you did get a personal response which is not that common around here (people direct comments and critiques at phil all the time) and instead of taking his words, his response to you, at face value, for some inexplicable reason you choose to believe he is dodging the issue because he doesn’t agree with you.

I don’t understand the relevance your suggestion as to why I should make an argument about the non-existence of religious extremism

the nature of religious extremism dictates the extremist’s actions. if ones argument is that “settlers do NOT represent a religious ideology” (“you choose… the side of the Zionists, by saying that the settlers pursue a religious ideology”) presumes violent actions of the settlers are not driven, at least in part, by religious fanaticism. this presumption, imho, as phil tried to point out, is reductive. because, imho, it denies the agency of religious extremism as a whole. and i say this because what i see is that agency, of ongoing persistent extremism being acted out on the world stage, what’s happening in the WB, is a perfect example of extremists representing their ideology. (it also happens to be a perfect example of empire using extremists to further their cause, not that different than empire using isis to accomplish their imperial goals). and because i see it as that perfect example, and from your words i assume you do not. it calls into question if you believe in the agency of religious fanatics at all. that’s why i wrote ” if you care to make the argument there are no religious fanatics, no religious extemists, that they do not exist, then do so.”

I may well be intellectually below your level

oh i don’t think you’re intellectually beneath. quite the contrary, when i was a kid i wouldn’t have even had the guts to step in it like you’re doing. but i probably have more experience making arguments than you do.

March 20, 2018, 1:45 pm

How does this stack up to be Antisemitic.

If someone called a Catholic male a Sonofabitch , would that be Anticatholic.

In any event , it would have been far better to call him a “thieving , illegal squatter and participant in Apartheid and oppression.

Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 1:44 pm

@Annie Robbins: I told you I call a spade a spade. If I thought Phil were a liar I would call him a liar. And since I do not and never thought he was a liar I asked him to stop the pretence of being sincere (disingenous = pretending to be honest or sincere) and call a spade a spade, i.e how does he see Zionism. He is critical of Zionism/Zionists but at the same time he conflates it with religion and uses the oxymoron “liberal Zionist”.

It is of course his choice whether he comes clean, but it is my choice if I want to ask him to do so.

Last time I checked you were not a moderator here, so I’ll carry on with my style of commenting. If you don’t like it, skip my comments. If you want to take me to task, fine, but be specific otherwise I will treat your comments as background noise, hot air. Thank you.

March 20, 2018, 1:35 pm

Does anyone still have an address Ahed at the prison in which she’s being held.
Sent her birthday greetings some time back but have lost that address…… and not sure if she’s been moved …..
Of course if she’s been moved from Palestine into Israel that would be a war crime….

March 20, 2018, 1:24 pm

Jews, like my wife, are marrying out more and more simply because they are being exposed to the outside world and seeing, first off, that relationships with non Jews don’t necessarily threaten their Jewish heritage. They see that they are free to choose whomever they want as their mate based on all the reasons a free people have available to them to do so.

Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 1:21 pm

@Keith: the rabbis & majority of the Jewish religious community may have been influenced by Classical Judaism & the Talmudic (I will take your word for it), the situation in reality is that the Zionists have used that influence to justify & promote their racist ideology. And maybe I should be hounding them but I have no tangible way of doing that, as non-persuasive as that may sound.

With Philip Weiss I have a concrete example of what I believe is a helping hand to keep the Zionism/Judaism fallacy alive. Maybe he does not do it on purpose, which I don’t really believe, but as a result the helping hand is there. And rather than try to reach the US rabbis & majority of the Jewish religious community at large, I prefer to do it on a much smaller scale.

Expressing myself carefully now, I hope I have understood you & answered you correctly on this point, and that I have not got up your nose like I did with Annie Robbins. If you find I am still not getting it, I apologise.

BTW thanks for explaining the linking :-))

March 20, 2018, 1:16 pm

The joke is that the two-state solution is an absurd idea and has been for decades! As stated in the article, there are about 650,000 settlers (or, at least 300,000 to 400,000 with land swaps factored in) that will have to be moved to create this mythical state, or be integrated into the new Palestinian state (which is the height of absurdity to think that would ever happen). How do you move them (without civil war breaking out)? Where do you put them? Who pays the enormous cost to do this? See the problem?

Those that call for a Palestinian state at this point are liberal Zionists in self denial who don’t want to examine the full implications of such a drastic move. They simply want to get rid of the problem, i.e. the Palestinians. The realists either accept Israel as an apartheid state or seek to make it a true, single state democracy, with equal rights (at least de jure if not de facto) for all in Israel proper and what’s currently the Occupied Territories. Jewish supremacists support the first solution. Principled people who value human rights for all support the second.

March 20, 2018, 1:05 pm

“A publication like Mondoweiss has a higher chance of reaching (some of) them.”

Well, I, for one, never figured that Zionist Rabbis make up a large part of Mondo’s readership. (Rabbis who won’t comment, endlessly? Hard to conceive.), but from your mouth to God’s ear

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 12:54 pm

If my comments are ignorant, authoritative, or presumptuous, then present your counter-arguments, show me in which way they are so. If, as I suspect, you are not interested in that, fine…

i was referencing one specific comment, borrowing your own words: “sorry if I hurt your tender feelings — I am a strong believer in calling a spade a spade.”

as for “authoritative” “presumptuous” and “ignorant”, this comes to mind: “settlers do NOT represent a religious ideology ….refrain from conflating”

And, no, I do not think that people who don’t agree with (such as you) are lying.


not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
synonyms: insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical

how do link to a specific comment on another Mondoweiss page?

click on the users name and go to their archives. locate the comment. click on the time stamp of that specific comment. copy/paste the url. example: http://mondoweiss.net/2018/03/settler-palestinian-shepherd/#comment-910349

Philip Weiss March 19, 2018, 10:08 am
You’re being reductive/ideological.
A lot of these racists quote the bible. Ben Gurion made a shidduch with religious parties.
Bad people use religion and good people use it too.

I am not interested in mudslinging.

i guess that depends on ones definition of mudslinging. because if i accused you of merely acting as if you were against the occupation while providing cover for Zionists, i’d be slinging mud at you. for sure.

March 20, 2018, 12:49 pm

. “the red hair and beard caught my attention,”

Like Lenin!

March 20, 2018, 12:44 pm

Cry “Am Yisrael Chai!” and let slip the dog of Zionism.

March 20, 2018, 12:42 pm

“I’m a sheeny,”

“He studied Studs Lonigan in the mirror, and discovered that he wasn’t such a bad-looking guy, and that maybe he even looked older than he was. He took a close-up squint at his mug and decided that it was, after all, a pretty good mug, even if he almost had a sheeny’s nose.” James T. Farrell “Studs Lonigan”

March 20, 2018, 12:27 pm

Hear hear

March 20, 2018, 12:14 pm

Yossi Klein seems to share the view that the Z version of Judaism is inauthentic.

March 20, 2018, 12:06 pm

My own commastomy bag was overflowing until I heeded “RoHa’s” admonitions. Now my prose is “as limpid as dammit”.

March 20, 2018, 12:02 pm

Sorry, not Sally Rand. I meant Talleyrand, the laicized French bishop, politician, and diplomat. I get those two mixed up.

March 20, 2018, 11:43 am



You coud add your other favorite names for that little Bum of the Middle East.

Unfortunately, all Jews who are humanists, peaceful, opponents of Israel’s constant wrongdoings always risk being associated, eventually, to Israel’s immoral behaviours, murders, torture, famishing attempts on Gaza’s prisoner population. I probably forgot more names befitting Israel’s internationally known CROOKERY.

March 20, 2018, 11:32 am

PARANAM KID- “I agree, except I don’t have any connections there.”

The fundamental point is that it is the Rabbis and the majority of the Jewish religious community who establish the guidelines of their religious faith. That you disagree with them is hardly pursuasive. And if you read “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” you will see that Classical Judaism and the Talmudic laws have heavily influenced Israeli Zionists, particularly in relation to Jewish attitudes towards Gentiles. I am somewhat constrained in what I say insofar as my comments appear to be closely moderated on this topic.

PARANAM KID- “Incidentally, how do link to a specific comment on another Mondoweiss page?”

I located the comment in my commenter profile by searching “Danaa.” I remembered she had discussed this and I had replied. Then I went to Danaa’s commenter profile to locate the same comment to click on it and get the URL. A bit of a pain. There may be easier ways, but that is how I do it.

March 20, 2018, 11:24 am

It’s easy to be happy when everything is going your way. Who wouldn’t be happy when they know with assurety that everything is in their favor? What a stupid, stupid report. I’m quite sure that antebellum southern whites would have held at #1. Or white south africans before the end of apartheid. Or the aryans of hitler’s europe. Fucking DUH!

What in the actual fuck is your point, Jon ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss??

March 20, 2018, 11:20 am

“If current trends continue, Israel will face a stark choice: Grant Palestinians full rights and cease being a Jewish state or rescind their rights and cease being a democracy”.

How can the most occupied, internally displaced, stateless, defenceless, besieged, ghettoized, segregated, walled-in, checkpointed, roadblocked, evicted, monitored, curfewed, and collectively-punished people on earth have RIGHTS to rescind?

March 20, 2018, 11:10 am


“There is No Peace in Palestine because Schumer, Dems and Trump Are Historically Illiterate.”

Palestine Chronicle, March 14, 2018, by Rima Najjar.

“How deep is the historical illiteracy of Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic Party and Donald Trump and his party?”

“It is so deep, they are even immune to déjà vu, also known as ‘cryptomnesia’, which is where history is forgotten but nevertheless stored in the brain.

“Consider how AIPAC and the White House and State Department advisers influence every decision on Palestine. They use the very same techniques to brainwash American officials into believing their positions on the fate of Palestine are in the national interest that Harry Truman’s advisers used.

“Today, the Jewish state of Israel fills in for the Jewish Agency then. Today, advising trump on Palestine, you have Zionist Jews such as Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, who, as a director in his family’s foundation, funded an illegal Israeli settlement in the West Bank, or long-time lawyer friend, Jason Greenblatt, who studied at a ‘West Bank yeshiva’ (and many more vetted by The Times of Israel).

“In Truman’s time, influences on the 33rd US president in this sphere came predominantly from two Jewish political advisers – David Niles, whose parents were from Russia, and Max (Mordechai) Lowenthal, whose Orthodox parents were from Lithuania. Both were ardent Zionists who, along with Clark Clifford, who was not Jewish, but who, under their influence and for his own reasons, strenuously pushed Truman to embrace the Zionist cause.”

March 20, 2018, 10:59 am

I offer my continued respect to Ms. Rosengarten.

Jasonius Maximus
March 20, 2018, 10:54 am

How is this child even still in custody?

She’s already been in prison for 3 months for daring to slap a fully armed IDF soldier operating in illegally occupied territory. That’s already one sixth of the guilty sentence Elon Azaria got for cold blooded murder of an unarmed and mortally wounded civilian!

Her current incarceration is already longer than any sentence she would have received (if any) in any other “western democracy”.

So much for Israel being a light unto nations and sharing our “Western Values”. The only thing more sickening than this flagrant sham of a kangaroo court is the western media’s utterly disgusting reluctance to even mention her name, let alone bring her situation to light.

March 20, 2018, 10:54 am

… The ethics committee opined:

“Using the expression ‘murderers’ in relation to soldiers acting in the state’s name, is unworthy of the broad protection the committee extends to MKs’ political freedom of expression and is a violation of the rule that ‘an MK will act in a way appropriate to his status as an MK and act to foster the public’s confidence in the Knesset.’”

The “ethics” committee appears to be saying:
– murder committed by soldiers of the state is not murder; and
– an MK can only “act in a way appropriate to his [or her] status as an MK and act to foster the public’s confidence in the Knesset” if s/he deliberately lies and refers to murder committed by soldiers of the state as something other than murder.

Those are interesting “ethics”.

March 20, 2018, 10:44 am

My respect to you, Ms. Kisch. May your appeal to Ms. Harris not fall on deaf ears.

March 20, 2018, 10:42 am


Haaretz, Jan. 25, 2018

“The New Israeli Is Frankenstein’s Monster” by Yossi Klein

“We have created a new creature. We are the creature that pushed aside Frankenstein, smashed the gate and left the laboratory to wreak havoc in the neighborhood.”

“We’ve forgotten how to be Jewish. We are Israeli first and only slightly Jewish. Our Israeliness is arrogant, impatient and violent, a blend of the fanaticism of MK Bezalel Smotrich and the aggressiveness of Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman. Our Judaism is not that of pre-Holocaust Europe or pre-state North Africa. As Jews we wrote, studied and taught; as Israelis we conquered, expelled and abused. I’m proud of Judaism and ashamed of Israeliness. Why are we like this? “

March 20, 2018, 10:42 am

Thanks for the reference to Yovell, Ossinev. It’s a remarkable combination of the sensible and the absurd. The psychiatrist’s mother fixation is quite alarming.

March 20, 2018, 10:37 am

How could a bankruptcy lawyer for Donald Trump be anything but a son of a bitch?

March 20, 2018, 10:35 am

“The settlers aren’t going anywhere”

What he meant was the human shields aren’t going anywhere.

If they were going anywhere, then why did Israel strategically place 600,000 Jewish civilians in subsidised settlements on stolen land deep inside occupied enemy territories (territories with which it is still technically at war)?

The late Ed Koch (former mayor of New York City) recognised the Jewish settlements and settlers as Israel’s “defense bulwark” against “the Islamist armies” of no less than five nations.

“You ask Israel to cease building settlements on the West Bank, which are intended not only to house Israelis, but to provide a defense bulwark when the Islamist armies of the surrounding states, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria – Assad or his opponents – and Iraq, again try militarily to crush Israel” ~ Ed Koch, 2013

March 20, 2018, 10:10 am

Palestinians leave and return quite a lot. The pressure of unemployment, which it’s hard to see how a captive economy can really escape, is surely quite serious. Countries acquiring Palestinian immigrants are might be seen as acquiring useful citizens rather than importing a Palestinian problem comparable to Israel’s. I am not at all sure that Z has been a failure for its intended beneficiaries. The OECD 2016 report on Israel’s economy certainly shows that Israel is not ‘a progressive paradise’, as we’ve been discussing recently – it’s a very unequal society – nor an economic miracle territory but still its economy is reasonably sound. International political support remains pretty strong. Israel has not yet been forced into any significant concession.

March 20, 2018, 9:54 am

… “I saw his response on my iPhone. His response was to refer to me as son of a dog. Is that anti-Semitism or political discourse? I leave that up to you,” Friedman said. …

It’s definitely not anti-Semitism and it’s not as accurate as referring to Friedman as “the opening at the end of the alimentary canal”.

And it’s not political discourse either, but neither is Friedman’s suggestion that the northern West Bank and (East) Jerusalem are in Israel.

March 20, 2018, 9:39 am

When did one race of people ever violently conquer and colonize another without making some argument of ethnoreligious superiority, divine entitlement or manifest destiny as their moral justification?

March 20, 2018, 9:05 am

|| RoHa: Lonely, unpaid, unappreciated. … ||

I know I’m just a Canadian (eh?) but for what it’s worth I appreciate your attention to grammatical detail. Keep up the good (if lonely and unpaid) work!  :-)

March 20, 2018, 8:37 am


so it’s in this context, and the context of this video, he wrote “American Jews still cannot turn against the religious ideology that animates this settler”. which many of them can’t. there’s nothing about the post per se about the “nature of zionism” (although there have been many articles about that). again, his reference as i read it was in relation to settler pogroms.

And what are “settler pogroms” about, if not a planned part of the Zionist genocide of the owners of the country? If the individual post-67 settler cavemen are moved more by manipulating their thoroughly race-restricted and Amalekite-hating religion than by modern Zionist racist propaganda is irrelevant. Of course the nature of Zionism is totally the question. “Religious ideology” is another red herring. If there is any religious ideology, it’s the thorough racism of the particular religion itself.

there’s no difference between the foot soldiers and the settlers in the knesset — so yeah, they make plenty of decisions.and the guy who set the dog on them made that decision, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the settlers are out front in this enterprise (which serves the state in the colonial project).

Riight. Tell me next that votes decide anything in the US. Or that the Madassalafi retards are “out front” just because they feel like it, not because someone, meaning the Zionist direction and the US, both roughly under the same BoD, has planned and organized that. That the criminal with the dog is not there fully as an authorized representative of Zionism, being as effective as possible on its behalf.

but in the context of this settler attack, it’s still the religious ideology animating it. and if you or anyone else care to argue it isn’t go for it.

Well, that’s exactly what we’re doing.

March 20, 2018, 8:35 am

RE: “. . . Netanyahu’s fawning embrace of an American President who makes the overwhelming majority of American Jews nauseous.” ~ Chemi Shalev

MY COMMENT: I would give anything if Trump made me nauseous instead of incontinent.


Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 8:18 am

@Ossinev: the whole Zionist project was set up by a gang of aggressive European Zionists who infested Palestine in the 20th century, and continue to dominate the political scene in Israel. This settler is iconic of that and highlights the fact that the Europeans are out of place in the Middle East.

Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 8:06 am

Annie Robbins: “you thinking you’re right, accusing someone (anyone) who doesn’t agree of being a zionist …. etc. etc.

Philip acts as if he is against Israel’s occupation and against the treatment of Palestinians, which he would presumably, like all of us here, like to end. Yet, he helps to continue providing the Zionists with the only cover they have, as it were, by conflating Zionism and Judaism, which are 2 different concepts, and by insisting on talking about liberal Zionists, which is like talking about liberal racists.

Zionism is a racist ideology and pairing it somehow with religion is fundamentally wrong. You may not agree, but it is not something I invented myself, that is what Zionism is about: a “home” for the Jewish people only, run by & for the sole benefit of Jews, i.e. racism.

Philip does not see this dichotomy in his thinking, which is why I am trying to get him to explain it. I am a strong believer in calling a spade a spade, esp. where Israel/Palestinians are concerned. Philip has a different mindset, which is why I take him to task on that (sorry if I hurt your tender feelings using that expression). As a publisher of his journalistic work in combination with his thoughts he should expect to get critical comments, otherwise he would be in the wrong business.

“like who cares? how do you take anyone to task here, by making an ignorant authoritative presumptuous comment?”
I could not give 2 hoots whether you care or not, I do not comment here to score brownie points or get upvotes or virtual pats on the back. I comment here about what my feelings are about the articles I read here, and whether you or anyone else here is interested or not is your business.

“i’m just not understanding how whatever you’re saying holds any kind of threat at all.”
The reason you don’t understand it is because your interpretation of my arguments is a non-sequitur. You misread my argumentation.
So, just for the record, I did not threaten Phil with anything, I was just upfront from my side by stating that I will keep addressing the issue because I feel very strongly about it, and I have not seen any arguments, least of all from you, demonstrating that I am talking nonsense.
And, no, I do not think that people who don’t agree with (such as you) are lying. But if I see 2 patently contradictory “opinions”, I will take issue with it.

If my comments are ignorant, authoritative, or presumptuous, then present your counter-arguments, show me in which way they are so. If, as I suspect, you are not interested in that, fine, but then there is no need to put out unreasoned, slanderous comments against me. Remember, you are just another commenter here like me, no more no less, and I am not interested in mudslinging.

BTW, if I could not stand Phil’s way I would not continue reading his articles & commenting; commenting for me is a sign of involvement, even if those comments are not to everyone’s liking.

March 20, 2018, 8:03 am

|| Ismail: I see Lauder’s comments as less encouraging than Phil does. … ||

Same here. The way he expresses it may be fresh, but Lauder’s deep concern for the survival of “Jewish State” – and his hypocritical disinterest in justice, accountability and equality – is about as stale as it gets.

March 20, 2018, 8:00 am

As they say in these parts with Ahed Tamimi the Zios are truly up s..t creek without a paddle . The closed doors for the “trial” I believe represents no more than a panic knee jerk “what do we do now” action in a desperate attempt to limit the attention which she is getting from the world media.
Their PR machine can`t portray her as a violent dangerous terrorist because she simply isn`t one. The longer her so called “trial” goes on the greater the world focus and world incredulity at her being detained for the horrendous crime of slapping and kicking a soldier in one of the most sophisticated heavily armed and unbelievably moral armies in the world who had illegally entered her family`s property.

BTW If you want to read up on how screwed up some Zionists are in the case of Ahed Tamimi have a look at this little gem:

The writer one Yoram Yovell a leading Israeli psychoanalyst (sic) clearly sees himself as some sort of pragmatic liberal Zio but without realising it slips into surreal comedy on the one hand ( suggesting Ahed be invited to sit down with the soldiers mummy over cake and coffee) and on another pure any whatabout port in a storm mode when suggesting that she wouldn`t dare do what she did to Hamas or Isis fighters.

He clearly has issues and should seek help from someone outside Zioland and outside the Ziobubble.

Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 7:31 am

Annie Robbins: “he’s not dogging anything paranam. if you care to make the argument there are no religious fanatics, no religious extemists, that they do not exist, then do so.”

1. You are right, he is not dogging anything, but he is dodging the issue I raise.
2. I don’t understand the relevance your suggestion as to why I should make an argument about the non-existence of religious extremism. In fact, I may well be intellectually below your level but I don’t understand the point you are trying to make to me.

Paranam Kid
March 20, 2018, 7:21 am

Keith: “Perhaps you should tell that to all of the Rabbis who conflate Zionism with Jewishness.”

I agree, except I don’t have any connections there. A publication like Mondoweiss has a higher chance of reaching (some of) them. That is why I keep hounding Philip about coming clean on this. I find him ambiguous on this, if not downright devious. And that attitude contributes to those rabbis and Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations feeling comfortable with their insane, depraved bigotry.

Incidentally, how do link to a specific comment on another Mondoweiss page?

March 20, 2018, 7:06 am

RE: “Today everyone is talking about one piece, an essay in the New York Times attacking Israel’s settlement program and intolerant political culture as threats to its existence, and to Jews worldwide, written by a stalwart of the Israel lobby, Ronald Lauder, head of the World Jewish Congress.” ~ Weiss

Opinion: “Lauder’s J’Accuse Against Netanyahu’s Israel Is Also a Mea Culpa”
• The alarm sounded by the Jewish leader and media magnate in the New York Times is too little and probably too late
By Chemi Shalev | Haaretz.com | Mar 19, 2018 | 6:39 PM

[EXCERPT] . . . Lauder’s article is an expression of the severity of the developing schism between Netanyahu’s Israel and American Jews. The longstanding gaps on the two-state solution turned into a breach when Netanyahu reneged on the Kotel deal in the summer of 2016, and since then the rift has widened in the wake of Netanyahu’s fawning embrace of an American President who makes the overwhelming majority of American Jews nauseous. Lauder may view his friend Trump as “a man of intelligence,” as he recently said, but the millennials that he is worried about view Netanyahu and Trump’s mutual admiration society as final proof that the policies of the Jewish State, as Lauder puts it, “contradict their values.”

But if Lauder is hoping to shock Netanyahu, his coalition or Israeli public opinion into taking stock of the situation and reassessing its destructive policies, he is being hopelessly naive. His message is too little, and possibly comes too late. Nothing on the horizon can lead one to believe that settlements will stop, the ultra-Orthodox will see the light or Netanyahu will change his ways. Israeli Jews have never been too concerned with the feelings and sentiments of American Jews anyway. In recent years, in the wake of Jewish liberal support for his nemesis Barack Obama, Netanyahu has actively persuaded Israelis that they shouldn’t care less about American Jews.

Lauder himself played a not insignificant role in pushing Israel into the dead end he now foresees; his article should be read not only as an indictment of Netanyahu’s Israel, but as a personal mea culpa as well. For many years, Lauder was Netanyahu’s enabler, spokesperson and close confidante, his partner to all sorts of back room media shenanigans. He served as Netanyahu’s emissary in peace talks and as his discreet diplomat in distant capitals. Lauder and the World Jewish Congress devote time and money to defending Netanyahu, endorsing his policies and tactics and crying out against outside pressure that seeks to get Israel to change its ways. Lauder, lest we forget, introduced Netanyahu to the late Arthur Finkelstein, who successfully ran Netanyahu’s prime ministerial campaign in 1996 and who introduced him to the dark political arts of division and incitement with which he rules today. . .

ENTIRE COMMENTARY – https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-lauder-s-j-accuse-against-netanyahu-s-israel-is-also-a-mea-culpa-1.5917716

March 20, 2018, 6:44 am

It is shameful that he puts Israel above all things. The rest of the world agreed and supported this deal, because it was for the good of the entire world. It is time Israel’s servants in Congress tried to make their motherland, stop the occupation, and the land grabs, and where Iran is concerned, time for the zionists to stop waving cartoon bombs, and metal toys, to threaten Iran, it is enough to make any country nervous and want to have nuclear weapons.

March 20, 2018, 5:19 am

Another thing that strikes me watching this video is the ease with which this settler scumbag releases his dog to attack, knowing full well he faces absolutely zero repercussions. I’d bet money that he’s an american or son of an american who has been raised on a steady diet of white supremacy and jewish entitlement, that the white boy/jewish settler/zionist terrorist can fuck with anyone he wants with impunity, and go home for supper unscathed and brag to his family about it. It would be a much different video if there was a level playing field and the shepherds were armed. That would be justice.

March 20, 2018, 5:05 am

Schumer and Pelosi have got to go. They aren’t democrats. Schumer cares more about israel than the idiots who keep him in office.

March 20, 2018, 5:03 am

I couldn’t make out whether the dog was a 4 legged creature barking and snapping or the 2 legged creature snapping and barking in a white shirt.

March 20, 2018, 5:02 am

Lonely, unpaid, unappreciated. But duty calls, and a man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

shaun patrick
March 20, 2018, 4:55 am

A great article which sadly is true. As a non Jew whose family fought the Nazis and their ideology, l abore and condem everything the Nazis did to Jews and minorities l cannot understand why Israel and much of its population support the brutal occupation of Palestinians by using tactics taken directly from the Nazis playbook. Some examples supporting racial purity, creating the world’s largest concentration camp, imprisonment without trial, theft of land and property, use of attack dogs, a sophisticated properganda machine and the list goes on.
Can’t Israel see the irony of this that they are slowly becoming like World War 2 German’s ,complely desensitized and blind to their own behaviour and ideology.

March 20, 2018, 3:18 am

I have now. It wasn’t up when I posted!
Trouble ahead? Clear israeli involvement in enabling far right governments. Followed by clear israeli govt approval of far right govts.

Neither NYT or the Guardian will like that aspect of their investigation.

March 20, 2018, 2:50 am

Still, they try hard to convince the world otherwise. They are masters at playing victim, and while they wipe the Palestinian territories off the map, accuse everyone else of doing just that to them.

March 20, 2018, 2:44 am

Israel could. And afterwards?
Israel is a problem. The mixture of trauma, militarism and Judaism is rancid. Say they got rid of the Palestinians. They wouldn’t stop there. They would end up taking an impossible risk like Greece in the 20s or Germany in the 40s. And someone like Stalin or Ataturk would pull the plug. That is how it works.

March 20, 2018, 1:55 am

Treason. Our Reps take an oath to protect the constitution and to protect the country from enemies both within the country and without. When we have Reps like Schumer and many others willing to undermine U.S. national security based on what Israel wants or demands …. “treason” is what you call it

March 20, 2018, 12:46 am

Video from November 2008, Christian Peacemaker Teams – Israeli settlers attack Palestinian shepherds and international accompaniers with large rocks. They manage to steal a donkey and stab it to death.

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 12:44 am

bumblebye, did you read huffington post take down of them the other day. that was massive.

March 20, 2018, 12:31 am

ROHA- “Should read “sics attack dog”. No “k”.”

It’s a lonely job, but someone has to do it. I guess.

March 20, 2018, 12:31 am

Israel is more like a fascist, racist banana republic than a democracy.

Annie Robbins
March 20, 2018, 12:01 am

I see Lauder’s comments as less encouraging than Phil does. When folks like him talk about a 2SS, they mean a demilitarized Palestine without real sovereignty (i.e., no control over borders, airspace, etc) with the IDF deployed in the Jordan Valley indefinitely, Israel retaining all the colonies that “everybody knows will remain in Israeli hands after peace talks”

ismail, could you cite what you mean by this so called “encouraging” wrt 2SS. phil called 2 state “dead” and “too late”. yes, he called the article “huge”, but not for the reasons you’re suggesting. again, it would be helpful if you could cite what it is you’re referencing. thanks.

And as far as heaping the blame on the maniac religious settlers, this has always been a favorite ploy of “liberal” Zionists..

yep, Lauder, is a zionist (not sure if he self identifies as the liberal variety) so that’s to be expected.

Annie Robbins
March 19, 2018, 11:52 pm

And – at the tail end of the video – credit their *israeli* intelligence personnel with helping to win the right wing european elections.

did you read haaretz’s headline? “Israeli Spies and Honey Traps” https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/israeli-spies-and-honey-traps-the-dirty-tricks-cambridge-analytica-1.5918177

Annie Robbins
March 19, 2018, 11:34 pm

are there any words — is there an expression left?

lol! when they say “crisis” this is all they mean! that other stuff, like the occupation, the death and destruction? what crisis? hell no, they just don’t want the kids to find out.

Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’.

Annie Robbins
March 19, 2018, 11:28 pm

so far it’s worked. gotta give them credit for that!

sure, credit given. but note how the negative perception of israel has escalated in direct proportion w/the rise of the internet and public awareness, that train has left the station, and there’s no going back now.

It likely doesn’t occur to Schumer (or Lauder) that the “Jewish State” should change its policies

one would have to have their head firmly stuck up ones arse or stuck in the friggin sand to not have it occur to them (i was being facetious in my original comment wrt ‘not a very novel idea’) changing their behavior might garner a different result. heck no, they just WON’T CHANGE. hence, the handwringing. there’s no putting lipstick on this pig.

March 19, 2018, 10:59 pm

Senator Schumer lies to Americans to benefit another country. Is there a term for that?

March 19, 2018, 10:56 pm

I see Lauder’s comments as less encouraging than Phil does. When folks like him talk about a 2SS, they mean a demilitarized Palestine without real sovereignty (i.e., no control over borders, airspace, etc) with the IDF deployed in the Jordan Valley indefinitely, Israel retaining all the colonies that “everybody knows will remain in Israeli hands after peace talks” – that is, the ones with the finest agricultural land, the ones sitting atop the aquifers – and on and on. Disconnected Palestinian Bantustans. And Israeli colonies with sufficient breathing room to expand.

By promoting a 2SS without these specifics, Lauder can pose as a reasonable man who has seen the light and is throwing in the towel – offering serious compromise (not) in the name of peace.

If this sort of 2SS is ratified, you will have an immiserated and isolated Palestinian non-state, penned in by its historical oppressor. Nothing that Israel can’t live with. Some breakthrough.

And as far as heaping the blame on the maniac religious settlers, this has always been a favorite ploy of “liberal” Zionists, as though the settlement project was not begun and expanded under Labor governments, as though the brutality of Zionism were not structural, Yair Lapid and Naftali Bennett having more in common than not.

March 19, 2018, 10:29 pm

I am sure everyone can see how this poor girl has been treated, the harsh sentence, she may get, and all that for slapping a poor defenseless “soldier”.

How about this then, Elon Azaria IDF soldier is to be released EARLY for killing a defenseless suspect, against international law.

“The military parole board on Monday ordered the so-called ‘Hebron shooter’ Elor Azaria’s to be released after serving two-thirds of his sentence, the standard for prisoners with good behavior. He is slated to be released on May 10, 2018”.

From the only real democracy in the Middle East.

March 19, 2018, 9:04 pm

RE: “We have to let the young people know… the danger that Iran presents to Israel. I can’t tell you the intelligence briefings I get. . . We must alert the world that Iran is not a benign country but seeks Israel’s destruction and has more power to do it than just about any country since the founding of the state of Israel.” ~ Schumer

SEE: “Good Enemies Are Hard To Find: Therefore Worry” | by Andrew Levine | CounterPunch.org | March 16, 2018

[EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli regime has always required enemies; it requires them now more than ever. But, as in the American case, only worthy enemies will suffice.

They are hard to find. With the United States and other Western powers in tow, talk of existential threats to the Jewish state ring increasingly hollow.

In addition to that, there is the IDF, the Israel Defense Forces, a nuclear juggernaut, armed to the teeth, enjoying almost universal support within Israeli civil society and a reputation for excellence around the world. But its problem is much the same as one the American military confronts: for all its might, it is no longer suited to winning the wars it fights. All this self-proclaimed “most moral army in the world” can do is kill, maim, and bully.

It would be different if Israel had traditional state armies to fight. But it has not had enemies like that for many years. Instead, it has only defenseless populations, equipped with primitive homemade weapons to slaughter; and, of course, settlers to protect. . .

. . . Keeping the myth of a besieged and embattled Israel alive would be a problem even if Israel’s War of Independence had been more like unreconstructed Zionists claim it was. Jordan fell away from Day One, Lebanon long ago became a lost cause, and Egypt, by far the greatest danger Israel faced, was neutralized at Camp David.

Then the two Bush wars rendered Iraq harmless, and, for a variety of diplomatic and military reasons, Syria was effectively neutralized as well — even before inept American and European reactions to the Arab Spring brought that country to the brink of ruin.

And now a de facto Salafi-Zionist alliance, spurred in part by Saudi efforts to establish itself as a regional hegemon, has isolated Palestinians further. The theocrats in Riyadh have it in for the theocrats in Tehran, much to the detriment of the Palestinian national movement.

And so, the vaunted IDF is reduced to periodic slaughters of Palestinians living in the open-air prison that Gaza has become. It has not had an enemy worthy of the name since Hezbollah, a non-state actor supported by Iran, fought it to a draw more than a decade ago.

This is quite a problem for the IDF and, even more, for a regime that depends on existential threats to overcome internal divisions and to retain the support of the majority of the world’s Jews and of Israel’s allies abroad.

Therefore, even more than the Soviet Union in the Cold War era or Russia now, if Iran didn’t exist, it would have to be invented. . .

. . . It was only after the first Bush war against Iraq ended the prospect of serious Arab-Israeli hostilities, and after it had become indisputably clear that Palestinian resistance posed no serious military or diplomatic threat to Israel, that Iran would become a full-fledged, serviceable existential threat.

Russia served as a bogeyman for Americans for so long that Russophobia was easy to revive when the time came. But since Biblical times, Jews have held Persia and Persians in high esteem. . .

. . . Fear mongering can and does overwhelm that sentiment, but it is nevertheless there, beneath the surface, affecting public opinion at some level.

They therefore need a war bad, a war against a worthy antagonist. Iran is the only serviceable one in sight.

The Israeli Right understands this; this is why Netanyahu fear and war mongers as much as he does.

The problem, though, is that without American help, Israel would lose the war its leaders and many of its people want and may actually need if the regime now in place is to survive. They would likely lose too badly to save face.

If America was led by sensible people, it would never be dragged into such a dangerous folly. But it is led by Donald Trump.

And, on matters of interest to the Israeli Right, Trump, it seems, is himself becoming increasingly led by Zionist plutocrats of the Sheldon Adelson type, and by similarly noxious Israel-fisters. . .

ENTIRE COMMENTARY – https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/16/good-enemies-are-hard-to-find-therefore-worry/