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Mooser
August 31, 2016, 5:51 pm

” How’s that for politically incorrect.”

Must be that special half-Jewish objectivity which tells you that “Jpost” is the place to go for a truthful article on BDS and Palestinians.

I mean, if a Jewish Zionist person referred me to “Jpost”, I would laugh. But when a half-Catholic person, does, well, wow, I better consider it.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 5:46 pm

“disillusion poor Wiener”

I’m in no position to do that.

Keith
August 31, 2016, 5:31 pm

DONALD JOHNSON- “…but since I also criticized Assad this makes me an apologist for empire in your eyes.”

I didn’t say apologist, I said propagandist. Even as you criticize imperial intervention, you also reinforce the propaganda meme of the imperial interventionists. The Middle East is a violent mess because of imperial intervention. Under these circumstances, what constitutes decent behavior? Brass knuckles for the aggressors and Marquis de Queensbury for the defenders? What would Abe Lincoln have done under similar circumstances? And how many times have you called Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton war criminals as they surely are? Also, I wasn’t commenting on your article, just your comment where you felt compelled to demonize Assad (the elected and legitimate President of Syria, I might add) in the all-too-familiar liberal loyal opposition type of criticism. As an aside, I note that the Sanders “Our Revolution” deception continues Bernie’s whoring for the Democrats where mainstream Democrats are lauded as “progressive” while Greens are excluded. Proving once again that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, in particular liberals. Liberals once had at least some substance. Not any more. Now they are nothing but noisy decoys luring the gullible to their doom.

Sulphurdunn
August 31, 2016, 5:25 pm

A young girl is killed when she attempts to stab an IDF soldier at a checkpoint. Video of the incident supports the contention that the soldier acted in self-defense. When interviewed, the girl’s mother says she became despondent after her unarmed father and brother were killed by IDF soldiers during a demonstration against the occupation. Afterward, her home was invaded and ransacked in the middle of the night by armed soldiers. She was arrested and harshly interrogated for several days. Later, her home was bulldozed. The next day she attacked the soldier. Was the girl a terrorist?

amigo
August 31, 2016, 5:12 pm

Raphael , what exactly is a “Catholic Jew—or is that a “Jewish Catholic.What,s it like being half chosen.Does your Catholic self hate your Jewish self and are you a self hating half Jew.How does it feel to be a half goy.

No wonder you are so confused and the hilarious part is this is all self inflicted.

Bumblebye
August 31, 2016, 4:58 pm

@Mooser

but you’re far too much of a gentleman to disillusion poor Wiener by sending him your pics!

amigo
August 31, 2016, 4:49 pm

And we are chided for making comparisons to Nazis.

Pullllease.

Ossinev
August 31, 2016, 4:39 pm

So let me get this straight. Herr Lieberman wants to separate the Palestinian natives into Kapos and non – Kapos. Can`t really see the untermenschen falling for this one. Weren`t the obliging Kapos “eliminated” in due course anyway as part of the Final Solution plan.

He`ll just have to revert to a “bouncier” strategy.

catalan
August 31, 2016, 4:36 pm

This whole business of linking Weiners personal indiscretions to his political views re Israel is classless. So the guy was looking for some action outside of what is proper in this country. Big deal. It is not like he had a dungeon where he kept women for flailing. He sent some photos to some cuties online.
Of course his views on Israel can and should be subject to criticism but this…one would expect this from the likes of Mooser or talknic but Phil?!?
Didn’t Jesus teach about the first stone and about the splinter in the eye? So next time a supporter of Palestine turns out to be a pedophile that would invalidate the whole BDS movement?!?

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 4:28 pm

“You are an authority and legend only in your own mind.”

And it’s pretty easy to tell how much experience “Silamsez” has with matrimony.

“Silamsez” defends Weiner because Weiner has the correct views on Israel and Zionism.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 4:23 pm

“Will wonders never cease?”

Maybe “Raphael” gains his prognostic abilities from being half-Catholic? Or maybe it’s because he’s half-Jewish? Or maybe because he’s half-Israel, and half-American? All I know is, a wonderfully sensitive, unique and objective human being has turned up at Mondo, to give us his oh-so-ingenuous perspective on the situation.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 4:12 pm

” We are discussing the ethics of such choice being made and its wider implication on society,”

In order to do that we will just have to see the original pictures of Weiner’s wacker, and only then can we answer the one question the Rabbi says really matters.

Raphael
August 31, 2016, 4:09 pm

Palestinian workers detest the BDS movement.

See Jerusalem Post

For instance, last week I visited the Jewish communities of Samaria in the West Bank, including Kfar Tapuah and Yitzhar. We went to the Barkan Industrial Park and met Palestinian workers of an Israeli-owned plastics factory. If I had not posted the video of some of the workers’ comments, you would not believe what they said.

How they felt that their factory was not a business but a family. How the Israeli owners paid them approximately 10 times what they would earn working for Palestinian factories and how the Jewish owners treated them with unending dignity and respect.

And, most importantly, how much they detest the BDS movement for attempting to destroy their livelihood and force them to live in squalor, all in the name of Israel-hatred that masquerades as Palestinian rights. The money part of the video was when I asked a Palestinian worker what he thinks of BDS and he said he felt it was “Sh-t!” How’s that for politically incorrect.

link to jpost.com

RoHa
August 31, 2016, 3:56 pm

Another damned video. I refuse to waste my time listening to some talking head wurfling on about it when I can read the same information in a matter of seconds. If the ideas are worth knowing, they are worth writing down.

You stress the difficulty in understanding racism, but I’m sure you don’t mean to imply that I cannot know what racism is, for you tell me that I must acknowledge that it exists. I cannot acknowledge the existence of something if I do not have some idea of what it is.

However, I gather that you think of racism as the discriminatory practices, rather than just the attitudes. This seems fair enough, and not difficult to understand at all. Nor is it so very different from what I previously thought.

oldgeezer
August 31, 2016, 3:20 pm

@silam

Give it a rest. She doesn’t need your approval. You are an authority and legend only in your own mind. And I’m glad for that as your views are far too twisted, if real.

The woman deserves full credit for trying this long and now cutting her losses.

Teapot
August 31, 2016, 3:20 pm

We are discussing the ethics of such choice being made and its wider implication on society, which Huma as a politician must be aware of.

I agree. I think Ms. Abedin is setting a positive example for young women by showing them that you do not have to put up with everything your husband does. There’s still a massive double standard in what we expect from women and men when it comes to marriage. But women don’t have to play along. This is the 21st century and we’re free to live our lives the way we want.

P.S. Your ‘progressive’ shtick would be a little more believable if you didn’t spout opinions usually heard from Ted Cruz supporters.

echinococcus
August 31, 2016, 3:16 pm

Can we finally please stop feeding the animals? Simba Cruz is having the time of his life deviating every single goddam trend to the sanctity of marriage or the principles of Christian charity or whatever your kindergarten marm taught you about manners. Once is good for fun, twice is a riot, more is plenty enough.

mick23
August 31, 2016, 3:14 pm

The green of the Palestinian flag is at one with our Irish flag,we have always had empathy and sympathy with the brave Palestinian people,and like the Irish they suffered and still suffer under the jackboot of racist colonists.Tiocfaidh ar la (our day will come).

Marnie
August 31, 2016, 3:04 pm

Mooser
“Weiner’s taking a heck of a risk. What if somebody e-mails him back a picture of the real thing, and sends him plummeting into a deep depression. And on top of that, a divorce? He likes to live dangerously.”

If only Samson were still around.

Marnie
August 31, 2016, 2:59 pm

I won’t waste any more time on this matter with you silamcuz. It, like Huma’s marriage to the weiner, is over.

I asked you if you’d feel the same if weiner beat her all the time and she finally decided to leave him but you didn’t answer that.

As you seem to be saying it is Huma’s duty to stick with that sorry cocktail weinie of a man she married (and since I wasn’t present at the ceremony, I don’t know if oaths were exchanged, but how about being FAITHFUL), there’s nothing more to say.

“Whilst I support her right to leave or end the marriage, I disagree with the mindset that if your spouse mess up, then its divorce.”

It could be there is even more to this story than is being reported, ya think? Who is anyone outside the actual adults involved, to decide when someone can pull the plug on their marriage? Give it a rest; there are more important things going on.

oldgeezer
August 31, 2016, 2:57 pm

Wilson, you shouldn’t smoke. It is bad for you and will bring you into contact with all sorts of unsavoury characters as you now know.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 2:56 pm

This is just trolling. Link to someone urging that the US intervene in Bahrain with air strikes or by training and arming rebels.

Kay24
August 31, 2016, 2:37 pm

I noticed how you failed to mention another interfering nation, that usually is a big time mischief maker in these situations. It is also known for false flag operations and training of rebels and other nefarious activities. How convenient to forget.

“The Turkish officers allegedly confessed to the Syrian authorities that they were trained by the Israeli Mossad and were instructed “to carry out bombings to undermine the country’s security.” (Ibid.) One officer purportedly admitted that the “Mossad also trains soldiers from the Free Syria Army” as well as al-Qaeda officials on Jordanian soil with a view to send them to Syria to conduct attacks.

These testimonies corroborate information, including from Israeli intelligence sources, indicating the implication of the Mossad in the Syrian insurrection. Several reports also mention the involvement of the CIA and the British MI6, as well as European and American special forces.”

link to globalresearch.ca

Mr.T
August 31, 2016, 2:01 pm

Will wonders never cease? I mean, the reelection rate for incumbents in this country hovers as low as 90%! Against such odds, that “prediction” of yours is a feat worthy of Nostradamus…

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 2:00 pm

If you want to bring God and religion into this… Huma Abedin is Muslim and Islam allows divorce. She isn’t breaking any sort of “covenant” with God.

This is not about being able to leave the marriage or otherwise. We are discussing the ethics of such choice being made and its wider implication on society, which Huma as a politician must be aware of.

echinococcus
August 31, 2016, 1:57 pm

Netanyahu, who said the national image was at stake

In a sense, he’s absolutely right to only care about the image. That’s what we should be driving a stake through.

and ordered legal action against the Beitar fans who had rioted at the Charleroi game.

And he went and did it again. After France he now took over the Belgian government. Or annexed Charleroi.

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 1:55 pm

it’s not her role, responsibility or duty to “keep” him accountable.

I strongly disagree.

As the one who choose to enter a marriage with him, it is part of her responsiblity to hold him accountable to his actions, just as Weiner is responsible in holding Huma accountable to her actions as her husband. This is practically the core function of marriage, as a human institution because we assume humans are never infallible and no one is capable of being good purely by him or herself.

Mr.T
August 31, 2016, 1:54 pm

“Notice how it’s always the fault of the US for Keith.”

Notice how the level of sophistication in hophmi’s analysis never rises above rooting for the white hats as they battle the moustache-twirling black hats.

Ossinev
August 31, 2016, 1:47 pm

@DaBakr
“maybe the vastly-by 1000s- greater numbers of children being killed daily in the greater middle east has made it more difficult to feel specifically concerned excpt for only those who are singularly devoted to the palestinian cause rather then the absence left by all children killed by conflict. i could be wrong but i’m not the only one: just saying”

“just saying” my a..e. Yet another crass example of knee jerk hasbara “whataboutery”. So Monsieur DaBakr according to your one dimensional Zionist logic if a politician or a MSM commentator in a discussion about the deaths of six million jews killed in the Holocaust dares to say well remember that there were around 20 million Russians military and civilians killed by the Nazis then you and your ilk would say that is fine , in no way diminishes the Holocaust and is in no way anti – semitic.

I don`t think so

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 1:39 pm

Marnie,

She’s given him a chance to be her husband and not play the dong show whenever the urge hits him. He pulled this stunt right next to his child FFS and made him part of his exhibitionism.

We already know what he did was disgusting and awful. I’m not trying in any way to excuse the behavior of Weiner nor to diminish the extent of his wrongdoings. He needs to be accountable for his actions and Huma as wife should ideally play a role in facilitating this to happen.

You can lead a weiner to a therapist, I suppose, but you can’t make it change. Do you know anything about compulsive disorders or addictive behaviors?

Can you appreciate how humiliating this must be? Just because HRC stood by her man, doesn’t mean everyone should

Therapy is just an example. To be honest I wouldn’t know what would be the steps to remedy his indiscretions and change his behavior, since the victims in this include Huma herself along with whoever Weiner sexted. The harms that need to be repaired and healed are known only to the victims so it’s up to them to help Weiner make amends as appropriate. As for changing his behavior, again this a complex challenge, but ending the marriage definitely would not be part of the solution.

As for the humiliation, I have no doubt how bad it must have been for Huma especially considering her very public-orientated career and life, and the scale of public exposure of her ex-husband’s misdeeds. I can’t even imagine the hell Hillary must’ve gone through, through the course of her marriage with Bill.

But at the end of the day, they were a married couple and this was their times of tribulation. She should have remembered her oath to be there for him through the hard times as well as through happy ones. You know, the bit about the better, the worse, in sickness in health etc etc. Sickness doesn’t just mean getting the flu. What Weiner is going through now is also a form of sickness, albeit one which is probably harming others more than him.

JLewisDickerson
August 31, 2016, 1:39 pm

P.S. ALSO SEE: “Beitar Jerusalem owner to sell club after fan violence in Belgium” | by Ori Lewis | uk.reuters.com | July 17, 2015

[EXCERPT] The owner of Beitar Jerusalem said on Friday he was putting the Israeli Premier League club up for sale because he felt ashamed of supporters who threw smoke bombs, flares and firecrackers at a Europa League qualifying round match in Belgium.

Thursday’s violence also drew condemnation from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who said the national image was at stake and ordered legal action against the Beitar fans who had rioted at the Charleroi game.

Nine-man Beitar were thrashed 5-1 in the first leg tie – a match that was held up at the start when fans threw dozens of incendiary devices onto the pitch, enveloping it in smoke.

Towards the end of the match, Charleroi goalkeeper Nicolas Penneteau was hit by a hard object thrown from the crowd, which forced another delay. Beitar can expect severe punishment from European soccer’s governing body, UEFA.

“I am ashamed … I have decided to end my involvement with Israeli soccer and am returning to the United States … I will appoint a trustee to run the club until somebody is willing to buy it,” Beitar owner Eli Tabib said in a statement.

Beitar are a bastion of Israel’s political right-wing and a group of supporters known as “La Familia” has been openly abusive toward Israel’s Arab minority.

Israeli media said some Charleroi fans had made Hitler salutes during the fracas. Beitar coach Slobodan Drapic said Beitar’s fans had been provoked, although he did not explain why some had come to the match with the flares and smoke bombs. It was unclear how so many devices were smuggled into the stadium.

The club is the only major Israeli outfit that has never employed an Arab player and this was one of the grievances that the Palestinian FA cited in its call for Israel to be suspended from FIFA this year.

Beitar have by far the worst disciplinary record in Israel’s Premier League and over the past decade has faced about two dozen hearings and received various punishments, including points deductions, fines and matches behind closed doors. . .

SOURCE – link to uk.reuters.com

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 1:28 pm

“a spouse who can’t stop playing look what I got!”

Weiner’s taking a heck of a risk. What if somebody e-mails him back a picture of the real thing, and sends him plummeting into a deep depression. And on top of that, a divorce? He likes to live dangerously.

Stogumber
August 31, 2016, 1:25 pm

I thought that we were debating the article above, by Roland Nikles, who expressively relies on Wieseltier’s article “Against Identity” (1994) (or parts of it) in order to confute Leibovitz.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 1:22 pm

“Well, I’m glad you aren’t God”

You will never convince “Silamcuz” of that. He seems incontestably convinced of his own omniscience and omnipotence.

RoHa
August 31, 2016, 1:18 pm

Marnie, if God were at all compassionate, we wouldn’t get fat, and bald, and old, and die. And chocolate cake would be health food.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 1:18 pm

“Notice how it’s always the fault of the US for Keith.”

Just like it’s always Israel’s fault for you, “Hophmi”! “Blame Israel! Blame Israel!” that’s you praying mantras. I’m sick of it. Why don’t you defend Israel, just once?

RoHa
August 31, 2016, 1:15 pm

My says she has found the perfect husband as well. The problem is that he’s married to someone else, and she’s stuck with me.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 1:13 pm

Yes, whataboutery. Part of my post is about how intervention has made the Syrian war drag on and therefore made the death toll skyrocket, but since I also criticized Assad this makes me an apologist for empire in your eyes. Nobody has a right to torture or murder civilians even if the other side started the war.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 1:10 pm

“to keep her spouse accountable to his action.”

Oh, there may be some accounting needed to settle this. Possibly two independent firms.

Now that “Silamcuz” has convinced us he is a “progressive” and “advocate for POC”, I guess it’s time for him to establish his feminist boner fides

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 1:07 pm

False claims? A simple google search would have verified my statements.

Here is the Wiki link that comprehensively documents the timeline of the protests and casualties as a result of it, focusing on the specific period before armed conflict erupted.

link to en.wikipedia.org

More than 2000 civilians died during this particular phase, during which the hostile party was primarily the Syrian government towards what was then mostly non-violent protests.

Compare that to the corresponding event in Bahrain, where only 4 protesters died. Despite protests in both countries were motivated by the same anti-government sentiments.

How can one possibly condemn the actions of the Bahraini government, and call for American intervention while at the same time, oppose any intervention in Syria?

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 1:04 pm

” I oppose BDS; because I sensed PLO involvement”

“Raphael” if it is so complicated, why do you always come to such simple-minded conclusions?
Fake left, run right, that’s “Raphael”.

(They have GOT to stop telling these kids that they are smarter than everybody else in the world. It’s really gonna bite them in the ass soon.)

Annie Robbins
August 31, 2016, 12:59 pm

Ending the marriage however, says more towards her own inability or unwillingness to keep her spouse accountable to his action.

it’s not her role, responsibility or duty to “keep” him accountable. besides, for a repeat offender, if you’ve informed him before if he does that again she’ll leave him then divorce is one way of holding him accountable. your sentence implies there’s some flaw in her (inability or unwillingness) because of his actions — or his inability or unwillingness.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:56 pm

“Maybe he means like the 1930s Germans became “technically hostage to” Nazi POV? “

No, not like that. See, they were held hostage by actual Nazis. Israeli Jews “technically are hostage” to something an ideology, a mass delusion, an accident, who knows, but there’s no actual people who can be held responsible. Leave Israel alone.
And Zionism technically are hostage to “white supremacy”. Yeah, yeah.

Teapot
August 31, 2016, 12:47 pm

@silamcuz

If you want to bring God and religion into this… Huma Abedin is Muslim and Islam allows divorce. She isn’t breaking any sort of “covenant” with God.

Also, why are we discussing this woman’s marriage? Aren’t there more important things to talk about?

talknic
August 31, 2016, 12:43 pm

@ echinococcus

You’re talking nonsense.

“So this pretend-legalist defense”

What ‘defense’? Neither the Armistice Agreements or GC IV are a ‘defense’ for continual Zionist colonization of Palestine

hophmi
August 31, 2016, 12:42 pm

Notice how it’s always the fault of the US for Keith. It’s not like Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Venezuela, or the DPRK are helping the Assadists in any way. Whatever is good for Bashar al-Assad, including killing thousands of Palestinian refugees who lived in his country’s squalor to begin with, is good for Keith.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 12:42 pm

|| Raphael: … Prof. Aaron Demsky … explains that Hebraizing surnames was a way for the Jews who came to Palestine to express ideological identification. ||

Manufactured names for foreigners moving to a manufactured “ancient homeland”. Makes sense.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:42 pm

“yakough hirsh says…”

Gosh, I get the feeling I’m hearing a soul struggling for self-expression. “mcohen” is finally going to actualize!. And validate himself! Oy it makes me all famischt.

“a postive would be…”

For American Jews to cry “Horowitz” and slip in like Flynn and take direct action against aspects of the Zionist entity. Happy now, “mcohen”?

Talkback
August 31, 2016, 12:35 pm

More like “Darkness unto the Palestinian nation”.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:35 pm

“You will never find a perfect husband…”

My wife says she has.
Told me so this morning when she brought me my coffee before she left for work at the uranium mine. Says I’m her trophy husband.

Marnie
August 31, 2016, 12:30 pm

Well, I’m glad you aren’t God as I believe God is more compassionate and forgiving than his children are to each other.

She’s given him a chance to be her husband and not play the dong show whenever the urge hits him. He pulled this stunt right next to his child FFS and made him part of his exhibitionism.

You can lead a weiner to a therapist, I suppose, but you can’t make it change. Do you know anything about compulsive disorders or addictive behaviors?

Can you appreciate how humiliating this must be? Just because HRC stood by her man, doesn’t mean everyone should and I think she was thinking about the White House and maybe didn’t want to be the first woman presidential hopeful who divorced her adulterous SOB because of facing reactions just like yours.

Why is it okay for a man to be a whore?

If he beat the hell out of her every night, would you sing the same song? I’m guessing you would, because an oath trumps behavior, right?

lonely rico
August 31, 2016, 12:29 pm

> kalithea

Zionism … depravity parading around as some kind of superior, entitled society still pretending to be the global victims of a present-day, non-existant persecution. In fact it is Zionism doing the persecuting and there is nothing superior or elevated in its moral, ethical or dare I say, spiritual quotient that is in fact non-existant in the staggering hypocrisy that Zionism exudes.

WOW ! Right outta the ball park kalithea !

Shingo
August 31, 2016, 12:28 pm

Hamas used human shields and “allegedly” … “stored weapons, dug tunnels or whatever” .. its not ‘whatever’. its been conformed by dozens of reports , th UN and even ngo’s not particularly friendly to israel

Wrong. Those allegations were resoundingly refuted in those reports.

Shingo
August 31, 2016, 12:23 pm

when it was considered as a movement supporting terrorism by even learned scholars.

Which scholars? And how can a non violent movement calling for human right be support for terrorism?

eljay
August 31, 2016, 12:22 pm

|| Raphael: … I oppose BDS; because I sensed PLO involvement … ||

The more-likely explanation for your opposition to BDS is that it (rightly) threatens Jewish supremacism in/and the colonialist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project.

Justice, accountability and equality are offensive to Zio-supremacists.

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:18 pm

Dabakr, do you actually expect anybody to decipher that mess?

talknic
August 31, 2016, 12:14 pm

@ DaBakr ” with israel looking like it has no intention to interfere(cancel) palesitinian elections (which is what abbas is praying we’ll do so he can blame israel) “

Unsubstantiated speculation can be such fun. You can say anything…

“the hamas is slated to take control of many municipalities in judea and samaria”

A) Catch up. Judea and Samaria were officially renamed the West Bank by Jordan, the sovereign government between 1949/50 and 1988 . The territory was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI link to un.org

B) Hamas was democratically elected

“but don’t hold your breath that abbas will face any form of accountability for the billions he stole from his people”

Substantiated source please … thx

” … he will undoubtedly live out his life in one of the half dozen palaces he built for himself in either ramallah or france or..?”

Sources please otherwise we might think you’re just another loudmouthed propagandist

“after all-the hero the palestinians worship most stole at least as much money if not more with NO attempts to legally have it returned to the people to whom it belongs”

The final audit by the IMF tells us you’re just another loudmouthed propagandist
From the NY Times (SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED)
“In total, the Fund estimates, the amounts diverted from the official budget from 1995 until 2000, when the diversions stopped, may have exceeded $898m. IMF officials say $799m was returned to the PA, with the difference accounted for by investment losses………the bulk of the money diverted from the budget – including all the Swiss bank accounts – was either given back or invested in companies that became part of the PIF, an assertion backed by the IMF”

What a pity all you have is bullsh*t!

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:13 pm

“Not bad.”

And I’ll lay five-to-twelve that a lot of those ancient Israelites got pretty hooked on pure Canaanite sugar

justicewillprevail
August 31, 2016, 12:06 pm

False claims, incoherent arguments, slurs, random ridiculous juxtapositions, and nothing to do with the thoughtfully written piece above. Just another day in silamsez’s one man campaign to divert the topic to some ragbag of random statements in support of untrustworthy and deceitful politicians and repressive regimes. And never a sourced, referenced backup for the wacky comic book statements.

thanks, Donald, for attempting to shed some light on this quagmire of claims and the stove piping of partisan information into various media. As you probably know, Israel is once again trying to manipulate Syria by supporting ISIS, quite incredibly, given its faux concern for innocent people’s lives.

link to azvsas.blogspot.co.uk

Mooser
August 31, 2016, 12:04 pm

“typical anti-Semitic aplomb…”

I’ve got ablomb! And peaches, and best of all, a nectarine! It’s canning season.

“that it’s only the Jews you are concerned about”

And right there, you are pissing off 200 million people! And most of them balebatim, too! Better step carefully.

Raphael
August 31, 2016, 11:43 am

As I predicted, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, would win easily.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 11:42 am

C’mon, Avi – you hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist, you – what are you waiting for? Just round them all up and exterminate them. You know you want to…

Raphael
August 31, 2016, 11:27 am

Haaretz

From the Archive In the Name of Zionism, Change Your Name

Zarechansky became Sa’ar, Brog became Barak: Behind many names in this country are stories involving a desire to forge a new identity in a new land.

Prof. Aaron Demsky, founder and director of the Project for the Study of Jewish Names at Bar-Ilan University, and academic adviser for those who created the database of surnames at Beit Hatfutsot – The Museum of the Jewish People, explains that Hebraizing surnames was a way for the Jews who came to Palestine to express ideological identification.

read more: link to haaretz.com

Keith
August 31, 2016, 11:13 am

DONALD JOHNSON- “Massacring civilians and torturing people is a war crime. And whataboutery is as stupid in this context as in every other.”

Whataboutery? The primary responsibility for the carnage in Syria lies with the US/NATO, etc. When you demonize to the target of imperial aggression as a war criminal, you become a propagandist for empire. I trust that you are aware of the imperial responsibility for the creation and support of ISIS and offshoots? And that NATO special operations forces comprise boots on the ground for this mass terror operation? Assad cannot unilaterally terminate the conflict, whereas, all the empire has to do is stop supporting these Islamist terrorists. Cut off the funding and the fighting will quickly end. So no, it is not whataboutery to point out that the US President and former Secretary of State are bigger war criminals than Assad. Who is attacking who, for cry sakes?

echinococcus
August 31, 2016, 11:11 am

Raphael,

“Interesting” perhaps, but only to you.
How many hundred times have you pulled out the fluff out of your navel to show it to all humanity to admire?
Buy yourself a f*&^ mirror already, will you?

Citizen
August 31, 2016, 11:11 am

All the Arab oil rich hereditary monarchies suck up to US regimes to retain wealth and power for themselves, hence they suck up to Israel on the sly as they know who domestically rules US foreign power in the Middle East, but they still have to pretend to hate Israel because their masses are very aware of both (1) the gross wealth gap within their own state, and (2) how nasty Israel treats the Palestinians on the very land they’ve lived on for centuries.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 11:02 am

Btw, apart from moral comparisons , I had another reason for mentioning Gaza. Afaik in the modern era when conventional militaries go up against lightly armed guerillas the guerillas usually lose more men. Lots more. Qualifying everything I say because I am not an expert, but this is largely due to the difference in firepower. Conventional forces have tanks, heavy artillery, and planes. This was true, I think, with the US in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Soviets in Afghanistan, the French in Algeria, and the IDF in Gaza. The guerilla side lost more armed combatants in all those cases. If they win, it’s because the conventional force is an occupier and occupiers often lose the will to maintain the occupation for whatever reason. ( In Gaza, Israel wasn’t planning to stay and mostly maintains the blockade from the outside.)

In Syria, if you believe the numbers, this hasn’t been happening. Which is strange and suggests either the numbers are wrong or the rebels have massive amounts of aid or both.

Getting back to morality, on the Saudis and Yemen, I agree. It’s disgraceful that the US is helping the Saudis commit war crimes there.

oldgeezer
August 31, 2016, 10:58 am

@mayhem

Hamas had not been firing thousands of rockets at Israel for years and years. Additionally Hamas had been arresting terrorists from other groups that had fired the occassional rockets.

Both of these facts are confirmed by Israel security officials in interviews with the press. I have posted links to these stories before.

That round of fighting was precipitated by the GoI murdering a senior Hamas official.

Take your made up hasbara/bs prooaganda and save it for your pro Israel sites where the gullible will suck up such a massive pile of dung.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 10:52 am

|| MHughes976: … unless the idea that people who are Jewish may do wrong, or may be rebuked for the wrong they do, is unacceptable in all circumstances there may be good reason for an attack so directed … ||

Yup. Zio-supremacists like mcohen. argue from the position that Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them. And since they’re always right to do wrong, they should never be held accountable for their actions.

MHughes976
August 31, 2016, 10:37 am

I agree that BDS is an attack, at least a rebuke, directed mainly, though maybe not solely, against people who are in fact Jewish. But unless the idea that people who are Jewish may do wrong, or may be rebuked for the wrong they do, is unacceptable in all circumstances there may be good reason for an attack so directed, meaning that we do not have a reason for out of hand rejection of it.

Citizen
August 31, 2016, 10:35 am

Hillary is the cherished mentor of her Indian/Pakistani gate keeper/turnkey, Abedin; Abedin worked for big donations to Clinton Foundation, she worked four jobs while Hillary was at State Dept, straddling, cashing in on State Dept-private company agendas, synchronizing them. As mentor, I’m sure Hillary told Abedin all about the pros and cons of “standing by your man,” no matter how disgusting and disloyal your man is…Now, we see, thanks to Abedin’s man’s continuing nastiness, Abedin has finally separated from him. I guess Abedin isn’t as politically ambitious as Hillary. Or she doesn’t want her child to grow up and be like Chelsea Clinton.

echinococcus
August 31, 2016, 10:34 am

Talknic doesn’t only “ignore” the relevant examples of settler withdrawals.
In his unstoppable zeal to defend the Zionist entity’s “right” to exist and salvage the Partition booty, elevating a totally illegal imposition and recognition of raw conquest by colonial powers to the level of undiscussible divine law, Talknic got to the point of adding:

Non-Jewish Israelis are also prohibited from illegally settling in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli Military Occupation

So this pretend-legalist defense pushes absurdity to the point of banning the Palestinian owners of the entire land and sovereignty from their own country. He assists the Zionist entity’s practice of imposing a fake citizenship on some of its Palestinian victims, under the pretext of defending their rights.

Raphael
August 31, 2016, 10:33 am

Interesting….I recently became a citizen of Israel.

Ideally, I would live in both Israel, and the US, as a dual citizen. I oppose BDS; because I sensed PLO involvement… so, now I know, that Qatar pulls the strings for the Arab militant fundamentalists hiding behind humanitarian picket signs.

I will also know, like the Israelis, how a Israeli will act differently then that of a American Jew.

One of the reasons why I decided I would be a Israeli American is, because, I was born with a Hebrew Israeli sounding name. And, when I had boxes full of genealogical research about my Jewish side of my family; most of the people in the American Jewish community would not even have discussions with me about it; because I’m a half Jew (a non Jewish Jew).

And, some of my relatives were proto-Zionists, and also Zionists; that were orthodox Jews; which makes it even far more complex for me as a Catholic Jew, in this current day.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 10:24 am

And I don’t want to rehash Gaza in detail, but here is a link to an AI report–

link to amnesty.org

Kay24
August 31, 2016, 10:23 am

You are welcome Boomer. This is one of his best commentaries, as it is so appropriate today.
I know many folk do not have cable and would have appreciated watching this.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 10:23 am

xanadou, I was struck by the strangeness and inappropriateness (although that may be too harsh a word for it) of Ms. Karin’s assertion that BDS “may be the only chance to liberate … Israeli Jews from the occupation.”

If someone had suggested that anti-Apartheid measures “may be the only chance to liberate … South African whites from the occupation”, I would have found it just as strange and inappropriate.

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 10:20 am

No, I meant that Israel used tactics to produce compliant, pro-Zionist Jews that can be considered as a crime against humanity.

Examples include destabilizing and stoking anti-semitic hatred in countries with large Jewish population to cause them to flee to Israel, enrolling newly arrived Jews in government-run reeducation camps that aimed to erase their native customs, beliefs, language, ethnic traditions and replacing them with manufactured identities that were naturally inclined to the goals and aspirations of the European ruling class, incorporating propaganda within all levels of the state education system and manipulating information flow into the country.

This is very much different from Nazi Germany where the Nazis didn’t do half as much to promote their BS among the population who were already prone to militarism and right-wing ideas at that time.

Boomer
August 31, 2016, 10:19 am

@ Annie: ” if our archives were around and i were not so lazy i’d dig some more stuff up for you.”

Thanks Annie, for the links. You obviously are not lazy, and your memory is really good.

echinococcus
August 31, 2016, 10:18 am

Hughes,

Not to condone the expulsion of “civilian” colonial settlers is generally a result of humanist generosity and to be commended as such.

This, however, means imposing a monstrous injustice on the most wronged. In the absence of general, informed consent of the owner population in the absence of duress, it is the equivalent of no less than good old Genghis Khan-grade conquest, period.
Besides, the law to be applied here is definitely not retroactive.
Also, the impact on people with guaranteed rights of other citizenship and uptake countries is not like the humanitarian catastrophe inflicted by the Zionist and their allies.

After WWII, as Citizen says, many old-established Eastern Germans were expelled (illegally) along with the new, Nazi-brought, settler-colonials (legally.) In the case of Palestine, this would only apply to a very slender sliver of descendants of pre-conquest citizens, or perhaps all pre-partition Palestinian citizens. A different situation altogether.

Boomer
August 31, 2016, 10:14 am

@Kay23 “A time when Bill Maher’s islamaphobia did not show.”

Thanks for the clip: it’s not that old, and (alas) still relevant. I haven’t followed Maher, in part because I don’t have cable. So my impression of him is based on a few snips and clips over the years. This makes me think that there is (or was) more substance there than I realized.

Citizen
August 31, 2016, 10:08 am

@ Rusty Pipes
Yes, Abedin was the key gate-keeper in Clinton Foundation’s pay to play program that’s hot in the news these days on cable TV. She was the conduit to get quick, sure access to Hillary, either before or after the big donor donated to said Foundation. Main media doesn’t care to point out the public creep Abedin’s been married to, nor about his rabid, lying Zionism.

Qualtrough
August 31, 2016, 10:06 am

silamcruz – Astronomical?? Any fact/figures/sources to back that ridiculous claim?

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 9:58 am

The US supports tyrants which are on its side. Nobody who was critical of Clinton suggested bombing Bahrain or supplying weapons to insurgents, so your comparison is silly.

Now otoh in Yemen we are supplying weapons to the Saudis as they work hard at bombing hospitals and creating a gigantic humanitarian crisis, which shows how hypocritical the liberal humanitarians like Clinton, Kristof, and Cohen are, but you say nothing about that.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 9:56 am

I agree the I/P death toll is much lower, but it is still valid to compare tactics. The Gaza War only lasted several weeks and in a population of 2 million they killed over 2000 people while leveling I forget how many buildings.

If Israel were facing a genuine threat to its survival do you honestly think they’d fight any cleaner than Assad? I think the Gaza War gives the answer– faced with a vastly smaller threat ( largely their fault, but set the blame question aside) they bombed and shelled and fired at civilians. If outside forces supplied Islamic jihad with weapons and men and the war dragged on for years, what do you think the toll would be on both sides?

ritzl
August 31, 2016, 9:51 am

Nicely done Ms. Elia.

Once again you beautifully translate a wispy poetic thought into prose with real world application.

I really enjoy your writing.

Donald Johnson
August 31, 2016, 9:40 am

Massacring civilians and torturing people is a war crime. And whataboutery is as stupid in this context as in every other.

One other point– if you actually read the piece you’ll notice that it’s not a defense of intervention. Part of the point which was, surprisingly enough, made in the NYT, is outside intervention is precisely why the war has lasted so long and been so bloody.

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 9:33 am

Whilst I support her right to leave or end the marriage, I disagree with the mindset that if your spouse mess up, then its divorce. I mean if this is the mindset you hold, why even get married in the first place?

In my view, she should have stayed and hold Weiner accountable to his indiscretions by making him attend therapy, offer a public apology and make reparations to the victim(s) among other tactics to restore justice within the marriage.

Ending the marriage however, says more towards her own inability or unwillingness to keep her spouse accountable to his action. It is akin to giving up and calling it quits,breaking your own oaths before God.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 9:29 am

|| mcohen.: … bds is an attack on israel.it is an attack on jews regardless of the reasons it is called for. ||

To Zio-supremacists, Jews are a prop, an excuse, a justification for evil, cannon-fodder. Why do you Zio-supremacists hate Jews so much?!

CigarGod
August 31, 2016, 9:15 am

Well then, “technically” speaking…Zionists are held hostage to Zionism from the womb. In fact, it has been going on long enough, one might call it a genetic disposition.
Uh oh…

silamcuz
August 31, 2016, 8:58 am

Phil Weiss have be known to vehemently oppose US intervention in Syria, despite the astronomical death tolls of civilians even before the Civil War got underway due to the nature of the government crackdown there.

Having opposed such interventions, for some reason he feels that Hillary Clinton should have interfered with the internal affairs of Bahrain when they contained the Arab Spring protestors using harsh measures that lead to 4 deaths.

amigo
August 31, 2016, 8:27 am

“How many of this lesser number were killed by Hamas militants misdirecting their fire?
How many were being used as human shields?” mayhem

You seem to have all the answers so you give us your numbers or should I say , those of MEMRI /C.A.M.E.R.A. et al zionist propaganda sites.

Mayhem . it is quiet difficult to spot the difference between your hasbara and that of a raw graduate of the zionist school of hasbara.

What,s it like to go through life never learning anything new.Must be the result of operating on a 2mb memory capacity.

Speaking of using Human Shields !!!.


Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
Posted on August 4, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
Israel Has Frequently Used Palestinians as Human Shields

Israelis frequently accuse Palestinians of using human shields.

That claim is highly questionable.

However, in 2005, the Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian civilians as human shields 1,200 times in the past 5 years. As Ynet reported at the time:

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Tuesday demanded that the High Court review a ruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian terror suspects is illegal and violates international law.

Sources at the Ministry of Defense said that Mofaz’ comments are not an attempt to subvert the Court’s decision, adding that the defense minister intends to use democratic means to revoke the ruling.

According to defense officials, the Israel Defense Forces made use of the ‘human shield’ procedure on 1,200 occasions over the last five years, and only on one occasion did a Palestinian civilian get hurt.

An 18-year-old Palestinian was killed in 2002 during one such operation.

Mofaz instructed the IDF to freeze the use of the ‘human shield’ and ‘early warning’ procedures in its arrest operations in the territories until the Court holds a new hearing on the issue.

In 2009, Wikileaks published an Israeli government memo stating:

Individual Palestinians also testified to IDF abuses such as looting, beatings, vandalism of property and the use of the local population as human shields. But by far the strongest reverbration in Israel was that created by the Israeli organization “Breaking the Silence”, which collected testimony from 26 unnamed IDF soldiers. All of the soldiers had been involved in Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip, and testified to instances where Gazans were used as human shields, incendiary phosphorous shells were fired over civilian population areas, and other examples of excessive firepower that caused unnecessary fatalities and destruction of property.

The Nation noted last month:

Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

And the Guardian pointed out:

Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.”

link to washingtonsblog.com

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Citizen
August 31, 2016, 8:05 am

I ditto thanks to Donald for revealing main media’s intentionally inconsistent use of death toll numbers.

Citizen
August 31, 2016, 7:27 am

@ talknic

You forgot French settlers withdrew from Algeria.
And, an extra note: immediately after WW II, Thousands of ethnic Germans were forced to withdraw from the Eastern Europe, expelled from where they had lived for centuries., many died on the way.

Also, Mayhem ignores that the 1945-6 Nuremberg & Tokyo Trials established more nuanced and new laws & their Geneva progeny enhanced those laws for the entire international community. One of the defenses at Nuremberg was that the victor states were applying ex post facto law.

Kay24
August 31, 2016, 7:24 am

An old clip, but still relevant today. A time when Bill Maher’s islamaphobia did not show.

Why the US looks like Zimmerman:

Boomer
August 31, 2016, 7:16 am

Thanks for the link. The article says the villagers’ fate rests with the UN Security Council. Given the fact that Israel has a veto in the Security Council, we can assume that the villagers’ fate won’t be any more pleasant than their past.

Boomer
August 31, 2016, 7:13 am

re: “How do the American people feel and its government officials feel that the first mission the brand spanking new F-35 JETS gifted to Israel flew, was a bombing and missile attack on the already demolished Gaza Strip…”

As for the American people, most of them don’t know about this. After all, most of them get their news from the U.S. mainstream media. In any event, their feelings don’t matter.

eljay
August 31, 2016, 7:09 am

|| xanadou: I’m sorry LJ. Spellcheck intervened and corrupted your user name as I hit the post button. ||

No worries. I’ve been called worse. ;-)

John O
August 31, 2016, 7:05 am

From today’s Guardian:

“Israel’s most senior police officer has provoked outrage by suggesting it is “natural” for officers to suspect Israelis of Ethiopian origin – as well as Arabs – of being more involved in crime than other Jews. …

Asked about allegations of Israeli police violence against Ethiopians, Alsheich said: “In all criminological studies around the world it is proven that immigrants are more involved in crime than others, and this should not surprise us.”

I don’t suppose he does irony – the irony of being part of a nation created by generations of immigrants to Palestine.

link to theguardian.com