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inbound39: … one missile from a saturation attack on Israel hits Dimona…..it then becomes uninhabitable
From what I read, an attack on Dimona could result in radiation release and social/economic disruption, but would hardly make the country “uninhabitable.” And of course, Israel’s reaction to such an attack would be swift, massive and utterly devastating.
So I wonder what’s the point of your repeated hyperbole on this point.
“Cf. Should Israel Close Dimona? The Radiological Consequences of a Military Strike on Israel’s Plutonium-Production Reactor”
[..] a successful strike on an operating Dimona reactor that breached containment and generated an explosion and fire involving the core would present effects similar to a substantial radiological weapon or dirty bomb.
Although consequences would represent only a small fraction of the Chernobyl release , for Israel, a country the size of New Jersey with a population of some six million, the relative economic dislocation, population relocation, and immediate and lingering psychological trauma could be significant… [emphasis added]
If you have info that contradicts that assessment, please provide citations/links.
I have just noticed how each one of the Engineers is bundled up. It must be bloody cold in that lab. Could the “chosen ubermenschen” be afraid of successful, meaningful, professional competition from a handful of Palestinian maiden-Engineers to need to expand on the well and long-established abuse of the Palestinian population? Mein Gott in Himmel, how much more petty and common can they get on the sliding downscale?
Mooser February 22, 2017, 12:09 pm
” … how does the kangaroo feel about it? I’ve heard it gets their billy roiled.”
Dancing in 3/4 on one foot and 5/4 on the other can do that. Especially if your kveltzing partner keeps stepping on your tail
“It gets in the way of the kveltzing.” Mooser
How,s this , “Goebbels”dygook.
No amount of kveltzing is going to get in the way of that.
@ Theo February 22, 2017, 1:28 pm
” … Don´t get upset, talknic is a retired truckdriver, or was it bus, learned his manners at those many truckstops where he ate his daily burgers, and now he is working on his PhD on I/P relations! However, he has problems with reading and understanding what he reads, my recommendation for him is to visit classes for seniors making up for missed times.
In addition he is one of the MW watchdogs, when they let him off the leash, then he attacks anyone who is not conform with blog ideas, he is just a yes man. “
Only a raving idiot would completely undermine their own credibility by so clearly demonstrating how when they have no answers and/or are shown to be wrong, they dig a deeper cat hole with personal attacks consisting of completely inane, unsupported drivel.
It is however, typical of supporters of the vile Zionist Colonial Enterprise to resort to breaking the basic tenets of Judaism on behalf of the Jewish State. The harder they try, the more they show themselves to be devoid of any principles or moral fibre
Good one Theo, you’re doing a great job
Keep up th’ good work
RE: “Western democracy is largely a Western myth” ~ Keith
MY REPLY: Granted! ! !
Wow. That is quite the list.
Just wait the few seconds it takes for the usual suspects to start shouting that it’s an admission of guilt.
Tzipi Livni will forever live in my mind as the head Operation Cast Lead cheerleader and she can go to hell, afaic. I certainly will not be watching that vid…
. “The only way to solve the equation of Israel/Palestine so Zionism is coherent is genocide.”
Don’t be silly. A reduction of Zionist power, population and resources will go a long way towards equalizing the situation so progress towards justice can be made.
“It is a supremely clarifying moment. Each side must now define what it really wants to fight for: a fortress for their tribe alone, or a shared homeland ensuring rights and dignity for all.”
Because both sides, after all, are equally well prepared and equipped for a fight. “A shared homeland”?
“Even in 567 BC it didn’t have enough people and the poor Temple got it.”
Well, if we don’t all hang out together, we will hang out separately!
Absolutely. Part of the ol’ “7 countries in 5 years” memo. Israel and it’s bestie, Saudi Arabia, agreed to split the whole thing up. (Spoiler: Saudi Arabia failed to understand that they’d be taken out next.)
Gen. Wesley Clark, “Winning Modern Wars”
“As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan…He said it with reproach–with disbelief, almost–at the breadth of the vision. I moved the conversation away, for this was not something I wanted to hear. And it was not something I wanted to see moving forward, either. …I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned.”
That’s an excellent point, Citizen. Thank you for making it.
Bibi’s hair was most definitely changing shades of lilac that day. My favorite moment was when Trump talked to him like a parent talking to a recalcitrant adolescent. I laughed out loud.
Trump: “it is the parties themselves who must directly negotiate such an agreement. We’ll be beside them; we’ll be working with them. As with any successful negotiation, both sides will have to make compromises. (Turns to Bibi) You know that, right?”
Bibi: “Both sides.”
@MHughes976: don’t worry about Geert Wilders. Unlike the US and the UK we have a coalition government over here, and the larger parties have already stated that they will not form a government with the PVV. And unlike Trump, Wilders is all talk and no action. He would have to change Article 1 of our Constitution to push through the major points on his agenda, and that will not happen.
if Judaism was an open tent where you didn’t have rabbis deciding who is in and who is out, maybe. But Judaism has the rabbis deciding.
Even in 567 BC it didn’t have enough people and the poor Temple got it.
There’s a mountain pass in Switzerland, the Grand St Bernard, and every 1000 years or so an invading army passes through it. Nothing happens for around 1000 years and then it’s action. Hannibal came this way and the next visitation was by a Saracen Muslim army from North Africa around 700 AD . Then it was Napoleon
Eretz Israel gets those sorts of visits every so often. the cycle is longer than the rise and collapse of economy cycle. If the 2 coincide, temples can be destroyed.
“Gobbledygook is not the preferred language on this site.”
It gets in the way of the kveltzing.
Calling Carlos Latuff: Rosie the Riveter is looking for a poster with her Palestinian sister…
The poster would need a link to the team where interested parties might be able to find and speak about possible co-operation with the Engineers. If no one has yet responded with an offer, plaster the poster onto all the social media. The homeless of Palestine cannot wait a century for a roof over their heads, with some of those roofs sure to be crushed by the “heroic” israeli Luftwaffe.
Not least of all, Syria, Iraq and so many other countries need the Palestinian Engineers’ solution to quickly rebuild their own cities. N’est-ce pas?
It was an interesting show but apart from criticism of Nutty she didn’t really display anything new in terms of Israel wanting peace. I suspect if she got elected as PM it would be more of the same but more carefully done. Israeli verbal support for a 2SS is a farce.
Oh… Today is was an Iranian on the show and that was very very interesting.
some more good news –from Hollywood.
Not one of the2016 academy award nominees availed themselves of the 55,000 dollar propaganda junket paid for by the GOI.
Reportedly , Jennifer Lawerence gifted her prize to her parents.
Still , a good day for the good guys and kick in the posterior for the bad guys.
I think the Jewish support for Muslims in the recent attack in Quebec shows it works both ways.
Sadly Israeli Jews want territory more than they want peace or coexistance.
Please forgive “Theo” .
He’s obviously been somewhere o’er the yardam.
Or hoisted a few too many petards.
For the record:
Times of Israel, Feb. 22/17
“BDS activist raises $56,000 for vandalized Jewish cemetery”
“Palestinian-American Linda Sarsour says she hopes crowdfunding effort will help bring ‘a sense of security’ to US Jews”
“Jon 66”, take it from me, when all other arguments fail, you stick with Zionist moral ascendancy, it’ll win out every time.
Aren’t you one country short there?
Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine. I’m sure I recall some eejits crossing the river and trying to set up an outpost in Jordan just a few years ago.
This was a key cultural moment in the fall of apartheid
Thankfully there are other models for Muslim/Jewish relations
meone once said, “anti-Semitism used to be about people who hated Jews, but now it’s about who Jews hate.” This is the perfect example. All the polls have shown for years that Israel is less and less popular amongst Jews in the U.S., and that the younger the Jewish demographic the more critical of Israel Jews in the U.S. are. There is a very good reason for that: the myth of a lovely little Jewish country just trying to survive as a democratic state being menaced by Arab dictators and terrorists has given way to the reality that is very different. That reality shows a colonial settler state that has viciously displaced and dispossessed an indigenous people. As an American Jew, it took me over 50 years to wake up to the fact I had been brainwashed in a liberal synagogue and household, with the strong inculcation of a biased media to believe in this fantasy of “poor little Israel”, the “only democracy in the Middle East”. Now that the truth is out, the argument gets shifted by those defending the indefensible to a crude level of accusing critics– including Jewish critics, of anti-Semitism for one reason: Israel’s defenders do not have the facts to back up their argument. I challenge anyone who goes to the West Bank or the Gaza strip to tell me that is the working of a democratic state or of “Jewish values”. Rubbish! That is a Jim Crow segregation as ugly and deadly as Mississippi was in 1950 or 1900. So when you hear the slur, “anti-Semitic”, know that’s because they have no other argument. To censure the obvious political act of criticizing a political entity such as Israel and conflate that with anti-Jewish sentiment is cowardice abetted by ignorance.
PHIL- “Every time I turn on the radio or television I see empowered Jews warning about Trump’s danger to democracy.”
I am glad that you brought this up, I certainly couldn’t. Of course, the notion that these “liberal” imperialists are concerned about democracy would be laughable in less dire circumstances. Only the willfully blind will fail to see that this is about power. Deep State power brokers own the Democratic Party, supported Hillary, and continue to want confrontation with Russia leading (they hope) to imperial hegemony. They speak for the more powerful group of Deep State imperialists, and are aligned with the CIA in a color revolution coup attempt which will probably be successful. These “intellectuals” are Stalinist to the core, their comments grotesque propaganda. As one example, Paul Krugman drops all pretense of rationality as he contributes to the orchestrated narrative of Trump as a Putin puppet, whom others have called a traitor. Notice how he adopts the standard reference to the elected and overwhelmingly popular Putin as a “dictator.” Don’t misunderstand, I am not overly concerned that this effort will likely succeed, Trump’s election has already helped to weaken the Deep State and empire itself. On the other hand, with Trump out for talking to the Russians and a President Pence in office, the empire may try to make up for lost time. I have linked Krugman’s outrageous comments below.
“The story so far: A foreign dictator intervened on behalf of a U.S. presidential candidate — and that candidate won. Close associates of the new president were in contact with the dictator’s espionage officials during the campaign, and his national security adviser was forced out over improper calls to that country’s ambassador — but not until the press reported it; the president learned about his actions weeks earlier, but took no action.” (Paul Krugman) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/opinion/the-silence-of-the-hacks.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
maghiawantan, it is even worse, I think, intellectuals want to be accepted as partners of the powers that be. it is ‘the treason of the clerks,’ as julien benda pointed out during the interbellum.
Not to mention confiscating and smashing equipment. Let alone shooting journalists.
Being a racist oppressive expansionist state is a hard gig don’t ya know.
I doubt he gets that either when hiding behind the skirts of the idf.
Arrogance and pushiness over and above anything usual is the telltale sign of a Zionist. If Israelian or not is irrelevant –they all can have that passport anyway.
And yes, the quote marks around arrogance are unnecessary. As a Zionist you’d be hard put to judge.
Here you go DaBakr~ another example of IOF terrorists and their relentless terrorism.
“WATCH: Israeli soldiers arrest Palestinian for filming them …
Israeli soldiers arrested a Palestinian volunteer with an Israeli human rights organization before shooting his brother in the knee with a rubber bullet earlier this month.
The incident took place on February 10 in the West Bank village of Adameh near Nablus as Israeli soldiers guarding the settlement of Yitzhar and its illegal satellite outposts fired tear gas at local Palestinian youths who were reportedly taking a walk nearby.
When Ahmad Ziyada, a Palestinian volunteer with Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem and a resident of Adameh showed up and began filming, the soldiers told him leave. Ziyada’s video shows three Israeli soldiers approaching Ziyada on his land. One of the soldiers, who appears to be an officer, repeatedly tells Ziyada to go home. When the latter refuses, the soldier demands to see his ID card. Ziyada tries to explain that he is a B’Tselem volunteer who is standing on his own land, but the soldier has none of it and calls what sounds like his superior to get an OK to confiscate the camera and arrest Ziyada.
The soldier orders one of the other soldiers to chamber a bullet, at which we hear a gun being cocked. The officer then orders Ziyada to sit, pushing him onto the ground. When Ziyada gets back up a few moments later, the officer has his gun pointed straight at him and once again shoves him down the ground. At this point the camera goes blurry, yet we are able to hear the soldier ordering his soldiers to “aim at him!” and “drop him.” Then the camera goes black.
Ziyada’s brother, Mahmoud, arrived on the scene to see soldiers sitting on Ahmad as he lay on the ground, his arms handcuffed. Mahmoud told B’Tselem that there were around five or six soldiers who pointed their weapons at him to prevent him from reaching his brother.
I wanted to see how my brother was doing after seeing him in this situation. The soldier who sat on him grabbed his head and pushed it to the ground. I noticed that he did this as I drew nearer. When I heard my brother scream I yelled that I would stay back. At this point there were two soldiers who were sitting on him, as if he were a dangerous criminal. I walked a few meters back. There were a few residents including my brother. We had heard his screams after the soldiers sat on him. I tried to reach him but the soldier cocked his gun and pointed at my stomach, then he pointed it at my left knee and fired. I immediately fell to the ground. My other brother who was there caught me and brought me to a car that belonged to one of the residents. We quickly drove to Burin, where a Red Cross ambulance took me to Rafidia Hospital in Nablus.
Two things to note: the only two sentences the officer can say in Arabic are one of the few combat soldiers are taught: “jib al-hawiyeh” (“give your ID card”) and “ruh al-beit” (a wrong way of saying “go home,” which actually translates to “go the home”). The fact that the officer in question, who is tasked with interacting with an Arabic-speaking civilian population in the West Bank, knows a sentence and a half in Arabic is frankly embarrassing. He does not know Arabic because he did not learn it — because he was never asked to learn it. The mere notion that the vast majority of Israelis who carry out the day-to-day grind in the West Bank cannot communicate properly with those under their control speaks volumes about the respect (or lack thereof) that Israel’s military dictatorship shows its subjects.
Secondly, on Tuesday an Israeli court will hand down its sentence to Elor Azaria, the soldier who was convicted of killing Abed al-Fatah al-Sharif in Hebron early last year. In the end, we do not know what Azaria was thinking when he chambered a bullet in his weapon and shot an incapacitated, unarmed Palestinian man in the head. Surely, however, the person who committed this act could only have viewed the man lying prone on the pavement as less than human. The soldiers in the video exemplify the exact same type of contempt that was shown for the Ziyada brothers, even if the results were far less violent.
What happened to the Ziyada brothers is one incident out of thousands between Palestinians and the occupation every single day. These are stories that go unreported because there are simply too many to cover. If it’s not Palestinians being harassed by soldiers, then it is the government ordering the destruction of an entire Bedouin community, or security forces holding up a Palestinian politician at the checkpoint, or an Israeli court sentencing a cancer-stricken, epileptic boy to prison for throwing rocks. These are the tiny moments that congeal to make Israel’s military dictatorship — which is as arbitrary as it is brutal and unrepentant.”
You must be so very proud.
There is no strategy here, Atlanta, it’s just commentary on developing events. But I believe that once this image of Israel is broken, there is no going back. We’ve survived everything Israel has thrown at us for the last 70 years or so, we can outlive Trump as well.
Not even Reagan and Thatcher could hold up Apartheid South Africa against the world.
Don´t get upset, talknic is a retired truckdriver, or was it bus, learned his manners at those many truckstops where he ate his daily burgers, and now he is working on his PhD on I/P relations! However, he has problems with reading and understanding what he reads, my recommendation for him is to visit classes for seniors making up for missed times.
In addition he is one of the MW watchdogs, when they let him off the leash, then he attacks anyone who is not conform with blog ideas, he is just a yes man.
“In the long run Israel has no chance.”
“Mag” you know what your problem is? You, sir, are a pessimist! You don’t look on the bright side, see the possibilities. Why, if every person who identified as Jewish on earth suddenly decided to devote all of their assets, efforts, and reproductive capacity to the Zionist project, I bet we could make it work. It could happen.
“what gets reported is absolutely minuscule compared to the amount of daily breeches the IDF commit.”
“Today in Palestine” on this website tries to keep up.
“Absolutely the same with Zionist pre state terrorism.”
The British Palestine Police tried to keep up (scroll about half-way down the page)
Dabakr: “2) Palestinians have access to a very advanced network for Wi-Fi and cellular. Probably 90% of Palestinians between 15 and 65 have smart phones with cameras. If incidents like this were more common there are enough cameras around to capture daily life.”
They are captured, but rarely publicised, because Jewish terrorists (“IDF”) not only terrorize the filmers, but also their families and vandalizes their homes during terror raids.
“Meanwhile, Palestinians, particularly the youth, will understand that their struggle is not for illusory borders but for liberation from the Jewish supremacism inherent in mainstream Zionism”
Yes and that struggle will be primarily against their Vichy PA leaders from Abbas down wards who have knowingly been keeping the two state farce alive for at least a decade knowing full well that it is a complete impossibility. – simply to feather their own nests and hang on to their “International profile” status.
As much as anything else Trump`s “living with either one” should be seen as a seminal and hopefully terminal moment for the corrupt and self serving PA.
diasp0ra “what gets reported is absolutely minuscule compared to the amount of daily breeches the IDF commit.”
Absolutely the same with Zionist pre state terrorism.
“CigarGod misidentifies a woman and assumes she must be Israeli because she is “arrogant” and I’m the one who is wrong? Perhaps you can explain.” Jon66
No one here said you were wrong.That was your inference.Read my response again and avoid seeing what you want to see.
“No but she could easily be mistaken for such.She had all the necessary vile habits”
In the long run Israel has no chance. Just look at who destroyed the first 2 temples. A crowd from the East and one from the west. When Jewish power was weak. As it will be again. Mean reversion
“A few weeks ago the leader of the Jewish settlers came and drank coffee with the villagers to ask them, disingenuously, why they were trying to block plans for the new Jewish village in the courts.”
They should be asked why they were trying to build a “Jews only ” village.Or am I asking an antisemitic question.
“You have no vision with which to replace the was other than Arab and Muslim supremacy.”
I like that, “Hophmi”! They used to call the British colonial administration of India “the Raj”.
And I think “the was” is a fine name for the Zionist regime in Palestine.
“You have no vision with which to replace the was other than Arab and Muslim supremacy”
OK lets start again. Remember deep breath count to ten then slowly print the words in English so that you produce a coherent understandable sentence and relevant point. It really isn`t rocket science but then again for the self brainwashed Zionist perhaps it is a bit of a struggle at times so best have a nap beforehand just in case.
“Qvelling and waltzing at the same time. What happiness!”
Sure, maybe for you, but how does the kangaroo feel about it? I’ve heard it gets their billy roiled.
hophmi: “You have no vision with which to replace the was other than Arab and Muslim supremacy.”
Majority ruling doesn’t mean supremacy. It becomes supremacy, if you have to expell others to achieve a majority and then claim that your state is not even a state of all its citizen.
But we allready know your supremacist vision, don’t we?
We will have to ask “RoHa” but I’m pretty sure kveltzing Matilda is illegal in Australia.
“and assumes she must be Israeli because she is “arrogant”
See that, “Jon66”!
You got your wish.
We are a ‘people’ now, complete with reputation.
But if Trump is successful and wins reelection, this strategy will only hurt the Palestinians.
Israel’s nukes kill jews if one missile from a saturation attack on Israel hits Dimona…..it then becomes uninhabitable not to mention it might suddenly become a glass state.
No, I sympathize with Jews who speak out, however, they are still protected in some sense.
“Isn’t credibility on your bucket list?”
(ROTFLMSJAO!) Nah, you know “dabakr”! He don’t need no stinkin’ credibility! “dabakr” knows it’s better to be feared than respected!
Trump is currently unmoored on Israel. Here’s what happened: Trump-Putin-Bibi – axis of the alt-Righteous – were supposed to incite violence in the middle east using ISIS and terrorism hysteria to disrupt oil supplies to boost the value of Tillerson’s interests in Russia and the US. This plan failed for a million and a half reasons – not the least of which was that Flynn lied to Pence about it. So Pence flipped his lid and Flynn got ousted and now everything is going to hell. Trump has no direction – he doesn’t know what to do so he says, “Do whatever the hell you want.” It’s actually pretty funny to watch. So now it’s up to Jews (not the US or Obama or Trump) to say what happens next. The overall movement is towards one-state (2-state is dead), but fortunately there are still a few righteous Jews who will stand against apartheid: equal rights for all including full freedom of speech and religion without exceptions.
Pdxmuscle, at 7:02pm
What an excellent comment .
You describe the ‘feeling’ so well . Though I am not an American/Palestinian …rather a
Brit / Palestinian , born and bred in al Quds !
Thank you for developing it so incisively !
“Gas bombs used: 320 cases”… that can’t be a counting of cans fired. I’d like to know that number, from my experience it would be 4-50 cans per instant. I’d be guessing they used more than 6.000 cans in a year.
A single secular and democractic “Geographic Palestine” state can be a homeland for all people of and from (and up to n generations removed from) the region.
A single religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for people all over the world who choose to be/come Jewish can only be, well, a religion-supremacist state.
The most remarkable thing about all this to me was what happened in the seconds leading up to the shot being fired. I saw an officer summons Azaria from way back, gives instructions to him, pushes on his rifle barrel and Azaria immediately steps forward a couple steps and fired.
What do I not see?
Zionists don’t seem to tire of committing evil.
Bumblebye, I wish I could give you a thumbs-up for that comment!
“finding kosher food and celebrating the Sabbath and the holiday of Purim also brought me in contact with Iranian Jews”
I’ve often wondered what the Persian nation of Iran thinks about Purim. Not a pretty story, not a very universal message. Awkward extras like “ozney Haman” – which is Hebrew for “Haman’s ears.”
Where are those Jewish holidays that call for peace and harmony among all people?
I remember in school when the English teacher would show the class a picture and ask us to write an essay on what we see. All of us who have read this article have our own thoughts on what we see in the picture of Azaria with his family and supporters.
Looking at his family helps me to understand what made this young soldier. I see nothing remotely like empathy or human kindness. On the contrary I see only coarseness, cruelty and stupidity.
Zionism is a thug system. Run on fear. Nobody dares question it.
Tammany Hall was the same. So was News of the World. Note “was”. They all collapse eventually.
If only other people could and would learn from your insight and experience, pabelmont. I am sorry that you lost your wife and partner. May she rest in peace and forever gently in your memories.
Thanks very much for your contributions here.
(As for “chopped liver”~ it’s so delectable when made with careful love and genius!)
Translation please Hopknee.
Gobbledygook is not the preferred language on this site.
No. That’s on second, walt’s on third, who’s on first
Yours is a wonderfully enriching comment, Pdxmuscle.
(thanks for the dawn song, Maghlawatan!)
” Still the good news is probably that pardon or no pardon he will never get to pollute Europe dual citizenship or not given the big target he now probably has on his back. “0ssinev.
You took the words right out of my mouth.He had best grow a beard.There must be 100,s if not thousands who would welcome the opportunity to wipe that supercilious grin off his murdering kisser . I bet this cretin would soil his pants if he had to fight a fair fight and then hide behind mamas apron for protection.
Hero , my ass.
Trump,s inspiration fro “Last Night in Sweden ” ,filmed himself throwing stones at Palestinians.
“Later he travels to the village of Qalandiyah and films Palestinians throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers. After Horowitz explains that one of the rocks hit a Palestinian child he concludes: “Time to get stupid.” In the film’s closing shots, the director is seen shouting profanities at the Palestinians on a hill, and throwing rocks at them. Triumphant rock music blares on the sound track.
read more at , (no paywall).
heaven help Americans , Trump gets his , “fair and balanced ” security briefings from Fox News who get their their input from zionist morons like Ami Horowitz.
This moment is delicious. Israel sickened me the first time I went there in 2000. The injustice was so blatant. But it takes time for things to happen.
Israel is a fascinating mixture of settler colonialism, groupthink and political naivete
J. K. Galbraith: “The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.
That’s groupthink. Israel has a bad dose of it
Of course the Israeli version would be “that’s amoral”
@ February 21, 2017, 11:48 am
“Your search – kveltzing – did not match any documents.”
Whoa. Give Google a week or two…”
@ February 22, 2017, 9:24 am — https://www.google.com.au/search?q=kveltyzing
Less than a day. Now that IS something to be kveltzing about
Might as well add kveltzing to your spell checker right now because kveltzing has arrived
Israeli society has been degraded to feed the settler complex with Groupthinking soldiers. Palestinian society has recovered from the Nakba. The 2 societies are on such different trajectories
super comment. I can imagine how it feels. The first time I went to ahla Filisteen I thought I knew everything from my media diet. I had a teacher from Bethlehem who sat me down and told me I knew nothing about Palestinian reality, media and power . And I learnt so much from her.
It has been lies and bullshit since 1948.
You have no vision with which to replace the was other than Arab and Muslim supremacy.
Annie and pdxmuscle: Palestinians hold on to the memory/myth of the lovely days of old when all Palestinians lived happily together. This makes their identity. My late wife was raised in Ramallah and had friends in the USA who were Christian (mostly: Ramallah was before 1948 a Christian village) amnd Muslim. No problem. there was one Jewish girl in her class at Friends Girls School (or maybe that memory is from another memoir). Barren women in one town, Christian, Muslim, and Jewish, all prayed under a certain ancient tree to get with child. Perhaps the stories are true, but certainly the stories all make an “identity”.
And American Jews having largely lost any cohesiveness as Jews other than mere society, a couple of important annual holidays, and support-for-Israel, are unlikely to want to lose that last part of their Jewish identity (if they still hold on to it) — the love-for-Israel.
I’ve always thought I was “Jewish” but the idea had little content besides admiring my mother’s delicious motza ball soup and chopped liver (I never understood the “what am I, chopped liver?” of New York), noticing my own love for discussion, argument, etc., and admiring (if that is the word) my mother’s intense anti-religious attitudes played out, among other ways, in a wonderful recipe for stuffed zucchini which combined motza-meal and bacon bits. SO MY Jewishness, such as it is, has never had trouble with such things as marrying a Palestinian-American or aligning with MondoWeiss.
But I really wonder about anyone Jewish who has fused pro-Israelism into that Jewish identity. Hard to let it go.
Jon, it would be fair and you could create a new Jewish holiday out of the experience.
Right. One is wrong to think that any of this constitutes an ultimatum to Israel to do anything good. Au contraire! Best bets? Continue apartheid forever, while “negotiating”. another 50 years anybody? And, at the same time, encourage Palestinians to leave. How many generations of Palestinians will remember what “sumud” means? for example, the very large number of Palestinian refugees who live in Gaza, together with all other (pre-48) Gazans, may have to “leave willingly” because of the loss of potable water. How they’ll leave through the Israeli siege I don’t know. By death? Or otherwise?
Qvelling and waltzing at the same time. What happiness!
Yes, it’s easier to imagine that the whole world, every human rights NGO, the UN, the ICJ are all just nitpicking and taking things out of context to frame poor ol’ Israel.
As if Israel hasn’t literally tried to colonize 4 different countries in its short existence. I’ll tell you, as a Palestinian living my entire life under occupation, and as someone who currently works at a local human rights NGO, what gets reported is absolutely minuscule compared to the amount of daily breeches the IDF commit.
|| Jon66: … CigarGod misidentifies a woman and assumes she must be Israeli because she is “arrogant” and I’m the one who is wrong? … ||
I don’t think you’re wrong. The woman in question is a Zionist, but that doesn’t mean she’s Israeli.
|| … Eljay Not an argument. Just a question. … ||
Right, the question was:
… if the Israeli government granted the same rights to the Palestinian Israeli minority as the Iranians give to Jews, would the Palestinians be satisfied with those rights?
I’ll re-phrase and re-state my answer: I don’t know whether or not non-Jewish Israelis would be satisfied with rights in Israel similar to those granted to Jewish Iranians by Iran, but I don’t think they should be put in the position of having to find that out. Non-Jewish Israelis should be given the same rights as Jewish Israelis in a secular and democratic Israel (not a “Jewish State”).
Quite a mouthful about the actions of Azaria being caught on camera but not a word about the killing itself. Presumably you believe that it was entirely justified,moral and totally legal to walk over to a prostrate ,unarmed ,wounded human being and casually put a bullet in his head. Thank f…. I don`t have someone like you as a neighbour. The only thing worse perhaps would be to have the smirking,revolting charlie november uniform tango in question living alongside. Still the good news is probably that pardon or no pardon he will never get to pollute Europe dual citizenship or not given the big target he now probably has on his back.
If American Jews (let’s say, young people and people who’ve fallen away from the Zionist hold of synagogues, AIPAC, other organizations, a few organization leaders) “fall away” from Israel or even start criticizing it, calling for decency — what then?
First, The JewishPresidents, AIPAC, and the current heads of the various organizations will carry on as long as breath is left to them. They are convinced, cannot “fall away”. They’ll support Israel (any Israel, every Israel, this awful Israel) until their dying breath. They are incapable of any ethical or moral thought but one — that Israel is necessary to the salvation of The Jewish People ™. despite being so jolly comfortable in the USA that they wouldn’t move to Israel for any reason.
Second, USA politics would continue to support Israel because it always has, because AIPAC will not go away, and because (as Chomsky always points out, and rightly IMO) there are many players in the American oligarchy, AIPAC (BIG-ZION) is only one of them, BIG-DEFENSE is another and a bigger) which support Israel,support imperialism and think that supporting Israel’s imperialism also supports our own (“there is no sunlight between the policies, goals, values of USA and Israel”). Even Trump and his white-supremacist cronies are on board this line.
And, as to those American Jews visibly falling away, Israel — those ultimate toughies — will throw them overboard and continue on their own. Who needs those softies, the American Jews, anyhow? We can do it on our own, we can make any desert bloom, ANY desert, so there!!! (And what else could they do?)
OF COURSE, if the world ganged up on Israel and hit her where it hurts — trade, especially the arms trade — in other words if the world put the “S” into BDS — it might be otherwise. Israel’s industrial leaders know which side of their bagel is smeared with bacon fat! (Sorry, goose grease, but the image of “bringing home the bacon” is too strong and “bringing home the goose”, well, feh.)
And this last comment is true whether or not American Jews “fall away” from Israel. But such a falling away, if visible, might help the just-plain-folks in EU-land to get their ever-reluctant governments (so resistant to anti-Zionism) to get with the program.
So, maybe Friedman has it exactly wrong. To save Israel it is necessary for American Jews to fall away, do it visibly, and get the Jews and others in EU-land to speak truth to power.
And what else would work? And what could happen? ANYTHING. A full withdrawal from OPTs could happen (and from the Golan for that matter). Or a democratic one-state. anything.
But it requires an “S” in BDS. And a lot of people-power.
A silver lining of the whole Trump situation is that Israel is rushing to suck up to him, simultaneously allying itself with all the dark forces that support Trump, including literal white supremacists and Nazis.
Israel is increasingly being correlated with reactionary forces. In the last couple of decades Israel has worked overtime to destroy the progressive image that liberal Zionists have worked so hard to maintain. Even though Israel has always been reactionary, its image in the mainstream US media was always of a progressive democracy.
I don’t think this charade can be maintained indefinitely. The contradictions of supporting Israel while opposing Trump are becoming much clearer.
Why bother.? If you were Jewish would you take on the Zionists? Would you like to be ostracised as Goldstone was? Would you like to have your career destroyed a la Finkelstein? Zionism is a racket. Very like Tammany Hall. One day Tammany Hall collapsed all by its little self.
Zionism is failed settler colonialism . They never ever considered the rights of the natives once they had power. It was brutality and pauperisation all the way. Now they have 5.5m Palestinian “Aliens” in their Jewish shangri-la la land, plus the refugees. They can have the status quo or Jewish morality. They can’t have both. The psychology is fascinating. The groupthink cannot process the reality of 5.5m non Jews.
This is the most disgusting piece I have read in a long time. Once upon a time in utopia (as compared to now) the Jews and Palestinians lived together in decent harmony (which is the best we can say about different groups living together). I am not anti-semitic, but to my core, I am anti-Zionist….look it up, there’s a difference. When we overlook “one human family” in deference to any “race, religion, color or creed” we become all the lesser for it. We are ONE RACE, the human race….but there is that thread of greed and power and selfishness that overcomes compassion, cooperation and community and all but slaps in the face all the religions in the world that impart the wisdom and righteousness of caring for each other.
“Say, what’s all the fuss about kveltzing?”
“What is kveltzing?”
“No. What isn’t kveltzing, Who is kveltsing What is on second!”
“So who was singing Zveltzing Matilda?”
“No. That was talknic doing his bit to immortalize kveltzing. Who is kveltzing and What, who isn’t kveltzing, is on second!”
“That’s not how you spell immoralize?”
“It’s in italics!”