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yonah fredman
February 6, 2016, 2:00 pm

To clarify: When I read the headline I was sure that Bernie Sanders’ kibbutz would be like some other kibbutzim established on land of people who were exiled (expelled or fled) during the nakba period. (47-49). That fits my definition of ethnic cleansing (and also as far as I can tell the UN’s definition as well). Instead I read that the removal of Palestinians was of tainted morality but not ethnic cleansing of the warfare of the nakba. Thus the use of this term to me reads as propaganda. To those who are of the choir and agree with the propaganda the term fits. i think the use of this term fits in with propaganda rather than history.

The history of the pre nakba Zionists is full of flawed wishes and deeds which are justifiable (in my view) based upon the Jewish desire to survive rather than die in Europe. Whereas the nakba having occurred in the aftermath of WWII has no external basis for it, the attempt to settle the land before WWII, so as to strengthen the size and strength of the Jewish community in Palestine was justified by the history of what occurred to those left in Europe. I accept those who reject Ari Shavit’s justification for the exile of Lydda, for that occurred after WWII was over. But in the case of Sha’ar Ha’amakim: The Zionist Jews sought to help the survival of the Jews through building a community in Palestine. The tainted morality of purchasing from absentee landlords is far from perfect, but in the 1930’s the urge to survive suffices for me to justify the building of this kibbutz at that point in history.

Blownaway
February 6, 2016, 1:53 pm

We all know how that turned out for Newt and Mitt. Hopefully it will turn out the same way for the dangerous shallow Marco. More dangerous on the Democratic side is Haim and Hollywood elite. This years Oscar door prize has a free trip to Israel, valued at $55,000, is the most valuable gift in the Oscar “goody bag” that will be given to nominees for this year’s Academy Awards.

Sycamores
February 6, 2016, 1:52 pm

disgraceful but not surprising.
when we are on the subject of ethnic wage discrimination

in the US

A racial wage divide exists in the front-line retail salesforce.

Retail employers pay Black and Latino full-time retail salespersons just 75 percent of the wages of their white peers, amounting to losses up to $7,500 per year.
Retail employers pay Black and Latino full-time cashiers about 90 percent of the wages of their white peers, amounting to $1,850 in losses per year.
Retail employers pay 70 percent of Black and Latino full and part-time retail sales workers less than $15 per hour, compared to 58 percent of White retail workers.

link to demos.org

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 1:29 pm

thank you amigo! we’ll see her around no doubt and i will try to remember to tell her.

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 1:16 pm

“And they’re more likely to “hold their noses”…

He may have held his nose, but the cat never got his tongue sandwich.

eljay
February 6, 2016, 1:14 pm

Nothing says “moral beacon” and “light unto the nations” like paying black people less money for doing the same work as white people.

I know, I know: Those black people have a better life in the “Jewish State” than they would elsewhere and, hey, at least the “Jewish State” isn’t as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 1:13 pm

Americans must know, meaning all people, not only limited circles.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 1:11 pm

Iraqi or other Arab Jews or Iranian Jews are not on the list. Looking at the categories on offer, the closest one they would fit in would be “Not prepared to have an Arab cleaner for security reasons?”

Not repeated in the comment part was that Ostyiddish Jewish cleaning ladies cost 17 shekels more than the non-Jewish Russian-or-so, who in turn “only” cost 3 shekels more than non-Jewish Africans. Unless someone more fluent in Modern Hebrew reads it otherwise.

diasp0ra
February 6, 2016, 1:06 pm

@ABC

“Expect plenty of whatabouty from the Hasbarists should they weigh in (“You should see what they do to black folk in the Gulf States!”

Actually I’m pretty sure that will be the response.

Israelis can’t seem to decide if they are a first world country or a hair better than Saudi Arabia. They use each according to their usefulness with 0 consistency.

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 1:05 pm

“I also think that we have had at least two generations in the US in which some students think that the purpose of college is to protest, not to be educated by those who have more knowledge and experience.”

You have always struck me as a pretty simple-minded kind of goop, “Jon66”. Not half as clever as “Jon s”. Is bad college your problem, or is it something else?

Misterioso
February 6, 2016, 1:02 pm

The kibbutzim were/are also a huge financial disaster.

diasp0ra
February 6, 2016, 1:01 pm

This is beyond sad.

What a sick society.

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 12:59 pm

“As with all your postings, it is understood.”

He’s the outreachmeister!

amigo
February 6, 2016, 12:52 pm

Annie ,here is the link to the Gideon Levy speech at the Abbey theater last month.Sorry for delay , it just went up on their website recently.I promised this to Just also but do not notice her around much lately.Can you pass it along .

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 12:51 pm

“It has to do with law and double standards.”

“MaxNarr” I am glad, very glad, to see the Moderators help you out. You are beginning to grasp it.

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 12:51 pm

Exactly where would a Jewish Ethiopian women fit into that hierarchy?

or iraqi jew? iranian? moroccans need not apply! (yes i know morocco is on the african continent.)

CigarGod
February 6, 2016, 12:51 pm

You didn’t need to preface your comment with “Just nonsense.”
As with all your postings, it is understood.

Boomer
February 6, 2016, 12:48 pm

What a lovely place. No wonder the Europeans wanted it, and took it.

The Zionists say, “that’s-the-way-the-cookie-crumbles,” or, “Just nonsense. This is land that was legally purchased. There’s nothing ‘Palestinian’ about it.” Thus they display their character by their words as well as their actions.

I suppose Senator Sanders, once in office, might actually be better on I/P than Mrs. Clinton, precisely because of his background. I don’t see how he could be worse than what we have now. But I guess we can only wait to see: one certainly can’t expect an American politician who wants to get elected to say anything hinting at Pro-Palestinian sentiments.

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 12:45 pm

“and Mondo is more than happy with the political ramifications of that even if it only proffers part of the story… “

Oh no, not this again! Apres moi the ellipse?

Never before have three dots been such an insidious harbinger of social and political disintegration! The … is coming!

a blah chick
February 6, 2016, 12:30 pm

“49 NIS – for a foreigner of African descent 52 NIS – for a foreigner of eastern European descent 69 NIS – for a resident (Israeli ID holder) of eastern European descent.”

Exactly where would a Jewish Ethiopian women fit into that hierarchy? Does her Jewishness trump her Blackness or vice versa?

It’s all about exploiting the most vulnerable people in the country who will not have any recourse if they are abused, cheated or raped.

Expect plenty of whatabouty from the Hasbarists should they weigh in (“You should see what they do to black folk in the Gulf States!”)

Kathleen
February 6, 2016, 12:29 pm

Silencing Critics of Israel
02/06/2016 07:54 am ET | Updated 3 hours ago
link to huffingtonpost.com

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 12:21 pm

Okay, I know I’ve been really tough on Sanders (with good reason!), but here’s a positive note: I really, really like his appointment of press secretary, Symone Sanders! She’s sassy, smart as a whip, and really projecting his campaign brilliantly for her young age. Only 25 and front and centre with the media in the face of challenging talking heads!

link to huffingtonpost.com

link to cosmopolitan.com

link to essence.com

Hey, this girl is starting to impress! I may have to rethink my comment that Bernie’s toast out of New Hampshire.

RoHa
February 6, 2016, 12:19 pm

I was thinking of the Highland clearances and the enclosure of common land in England when I wrote that post.

And you are correct. No legal technicality can excuse Zionists.

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 12:10 pm

link to unicef.org

The interrogation mixes intimidation, threats and physical violence, with the
clear purpose of forcing the child to confess. Children are restrained during the
interrogation, in some cases to the chair they are sitting on. This sometimes
continues for extended periods of time, resulting in pain to their hands, back
and legs. Children have been threatened with death, physical violence, solitary
confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member.

Mooser
February 6, 2016, 12:07 pm

“Didn’t you get the memo? Only Jews in Israel are allowed to be racist nativists.”

Don’t despair! You can always convert and make hialeah!

Bornajoo
February 6, 2016, 12:02 pm

I wonder what would happen if a Palestinian Authority security officer shot dead a 14 year Jewish Israeli kid for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail?

Why didn’t they try and apprehend him? Was it really necessary to shoot him dead on the spot?

But unfortunately 14 year old Haitham Ismail al-Baw was an expendable Palestinian. A nonentity. No proper investigation required. In fact you can kill them for sport

Just another routine day at the office for the criminal zionist enterprise

Thank you Kate

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 12:00 pm

it sounds to me like you are describing zionists echin

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 11:46 am

Israel practices the same policies toward the remains of its fallen enemies as do its neighbors.

but israel is not in the same category as it’s neighbors wrt this issue because israel is an occupier. palestinians are not israel’s “neighbors”, it is the governing power. to make an equivalence you’d have yo find another country who kept the remains of people under their own rule as a means of collective punishment and a way to control their population.

Marnie
February 6, 2016, 11:23 am

I have to keep setting the bar lower and lower, which gives me no happiness at all. I’m very disgusted, but unfortunately not surprised one bit.

Annie Robbins
February 6, 2016, 11:15 am

There has never before been a POTUS candidate who put that issue at the top of his agenda.

wouldn’t that be amazing. next up, corporate personhood.

RockyMissouri
February 6, 2016, 11:12 am

Thank you for an excellent article, Annie Robbins.

Misterioso
February 6, 2016, 10:44 am

Precisely!!!

Zionism is racism. Zionism is theft!!

Misterioso
February 6, 2016, 10:36 am

Some relevant facts apropos the first wave of ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians by Jewish militia and the IDF (late 1947 to late 1948):

John H. Davis, who served as Commission General of UNRWA at the time: “An exhaustive examination of the minutes, resolutions, and press releases of the Arab League, of the files of leading Arabic newspapers, of day-to-day monitoring of broadcasts from Arab capitals and secret Arab radio stations, failed to reveal a single reference, direct or indirect, to an order given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave. All the evidence is to the contrary; that the Arab authorities continuously exhorted the Palestinian Arabs not to leave the country…. Panic and bewilderment played decisive parts in the flight. But the extent to which the refugees were savagely driven out by the Israelis as part of a deliberate master-plan has been insufficiently recognized.” (John H. Davis, The Evasive Peace, London: Murray, 1968)

Mr. Davis’s observations are confirmed by the IDF Intelligence Branch Report dated 30 June 1948, entitled “The Arab Exodus from Palestine in the Period 1 December 1947 to 1 June 1948.” After studying the document, Israeli Jewish historian Benny Morris stated that “the Intelligence Branch report… goes out of its way to stress that the [Palestinian] exodus was contrary to the political-strategic desires of both the Arab Higher Committee and the governments of the neighboring Arab states. These, according to the report, struggled against the exodus – threatening, cajoling, and imposing punishments, all to no avail.” (Benny Morris, “The Causes and Character of the Arab Exodus from Palestine: The Israel Defense Force Intelligence Board Analysis of June 1948,” Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. XXII, no. 1, January, 1986)

For the record: In 2004, when asked by Ha’aretz journalist Ari Shavit what new information his just completed revised version of The Birth of the Palestinian Problem 1947-1949 would provide, Benny Morris replied: “It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.” (Ha’aretz, January 9, 2004)

CigarGod
February 6, 2016, 10:35 am

Good point, MHughes.
Had not thought of that.

edwin
February 6, 2016, 10:31 am

The Highland Clearances come immediately to mind. Another example – not quite the same, but with a resemblance – would be the treatment of Francophones in Quebec.

In fact, what is a misuse, is the belief that through some form of technicality, or through carefully concocted definitions, what Israel does can be made to be ok.

Jon66
February 6, 2016, 10:20 am

From The Atlantic
“The press has typically described these developments as a resurgence of political correctness. That’s partly right, although there are important differences between what’s happening now and what happened in the 1980s and ’90s. That movement sought to restrict speech (specifically hate speech aimed at marginalized groups), but it also challenged the literary, philosophical, and historical canon, seeking to widen it by including more-diverse perspectives. The current movement is largely about emotional well-being. More than the last, it presumes an extraordinary fragility of the collegiate psyche, and therefore elevates the goal of protecting students from psychological harm. The ultimate aim, it seems, is to turn campuses into “safe spaces” where young adults are shielded from words and ideas that make some uncomfortable. And more than the last, this movement seeks to punish anyone who interferes with that aim, even accidentally. You might call this impulse vindictive protectiveness. It is creating a culture in which everyone must think twice before speaking up, lest they face charges of insensitivity, aggression, or worse.”

College students are obsessed with micro aggressions and safe spaces instead of free speech and stretching their minds. They want to shut down or protest against those with differing opinions instead of interacting or debating.

I also think that we have had at least two generations in the US in which some students think that the purpose of college is to protest, not to be educated by those who have more knowledge and experience.

MaxNarr
February 6, 2016, 10:11 am

[..] It has to do with law and double standards.

watzal
February 6, 2016, 10:05 am

Hillary Clinton is a savvy politician and totally untrustworthy. Her presidency would be a recipe for further US-led wars. She is a representative of big business, the war industry, the Wall Street and the Zionist lobby. Haim Saban, the Zionist multi-billionaire is going to put tons of money in her campaign. She has done him already some favors: Inviting Netanyahu to the White House, if she is elected US President, which I hope never is going to happen, and she wrote an anti-BDS letter that supported the meanest Zionist propaganda campaigns against the Palestinians’ call for justice and their own state. Her servility towards this right-wing Israel government is just disgusting.

The American voters should also not forget her support of Bush’s criminal war against Iraq. She, together with Susan Rice and Samantha Power, pushed President Obama into the putsch against Muammar al-Gaddafi, which created a chaos in the country that last until now. Her role in the killing of ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi is still unclear. What did she want to hide during her four years as Secretary of State by using her private e-mail account?

The American people have all the right to distrust her. Bernie Sanders is the right person to elect instead, although a smear campaign against him just started. Evil to him who evil thinks.

italian ex-pat
February 6, 2016, 9:58 am

I know I’ve already made quite clear my views regarding Bernie Sanders’ reluctance to address foreign policy in his speeches, which is seen by some as weakness and lack of a clear vision.

Yes, of course he would endear himself and generate a lot of enthusiasm in certain quarters if he spoke up passionately about Palestinian rights and the importance of friendly relations with former foes like Iran. Unfortunately, he would also lose any chance of winning the Democratic nomination. The American people are slow to accept sudden changes; Iran is still a not quite trustworthy entity, in spite of the nuclear agreement; just look at how hard Obama and Kerry had to work to reach that end, even after all the other countries involved had been on board for some time. Russia is still the big bad bear aiming to spread Communism to the entire world, when she has no such ambition and in fact could be a good economic partner and a valuable asset in fighting ISIS and global terrorism.

So I think Bernie is absolutely right in not touching such controversial issues unless pressed to, and then only to point out Hillary’s dismal record (Libya, anyone? Iraq, Syria? Anything good?).
He should continue to stick to his message on income disparity, disappointing progress on job creation, corruption by big money in politics, obscene funding of the military industrial complex, whose only raison d’etre is instigating unnecessary wars. These are the issues that resonate with the majority of voters, and which – if we are very, very lucky – might bring about the miracle of a Sanders presidency, and the political and economic revolution this country so desperately needs.

RoHa
February 6, 2016, 9:35 am

A bit off topic, but I came across this interesting story. It includes an allegation that the Iranians captured the U.S. boats because they were transporting a high ranking ISIS commander.

link to investmentwatchblog.com

beq
February 6, 2016, 9:03 am

I watched in horror as Clinton voted to invade Iraq. After I picked my jaw up off the floor I said to the tv, “I’ll never vote for you”. And I won’t. As far as I’m concerned, that’s her foreign policy.

At best she has poor judgement. Poor stupid me; I knew it was wrong.

shalom
February 6, 2016, 8:48 am

There was a time when support for Israel was bi-partisan. Obama challenged that as much in his way as has Netanyahu and Palestinians have been making the human rights-justice argument to a UN membership that is now largely made up of nation’s opposed to Israel. Whether you follow Beinart’s premonition or an increasing number of polls young people here in American see Israel as a social justice negater and Mondo is more than happy with the political ramifications of that even if it only proffers part of the story…

eljay
February 6, 2016, 8:47 am

All Zio-supremacists favour Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

“Liberal Zionists” just happen to favour a “kinder, gentler” version of it. And they’re more likely to “hold their noses” while their hardier co-collectivists do the dirty work.

diasp0ra
February 6, 2016, 8:32 am

Indeed it is. I never understood how one could be a liberal supremacist.

Onto the article itself, I found it quite excellent.

This is just one more method of silencing Palestinian activism on campus, and in the Zionist’s mind it is they who are being censored and put under attack.

I have watched my fair share of BDS debates and votes, and a very sizable amount of objection from the Zionist side had to do with feeling safe on campus. I do not understand how disinvesting from Caterpillar for example would make you feel threatened.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are blasted all the time on US campuses. Would it make sense for Muslims to start talking about how it made them feel unsafe and uncomfortable to be on campus? Of course not.

Maximus Decimus Meridius
February 6, 2016, 8:22 am

I always laugh at the idea that activism in favour of Palestinians’ human rights endangers the ‘safety’ of Jewish students. How? What kind of ‘safety’ requires that students fail to protest against an injustice taking place on the other side of the world?

Another variant is that Jewish |(for which read ‘Zionist’) students feel ‘uncomfortable’ with these protests. Well, good. We all feel uncomfortable when our deeply held views are challenged. But why should Jewish students get special protection from that? I thought university life was supposed to make you reexamine your views and broaden your outlook.

Jon66
February 6, 2016, 8:16 am

Kris,

“IDF; 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody are sexually abused there; almost 100% of these children are tortured. Torture is sexually exciting to sadists. – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

Do you have a link to the report? All I could find was a link to an article referencing it but I could not find the original PPS paper.

Thanks

Jon66
February 6, 2016, 8:14 am

Annie,

It’s not semantics.

Zaidan said, “No normal county would refuses to return the dead bodies of human beings to their families for proper burial! – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

He was not speaking of an exchange of prisoners. He specifically said “dead bodies” for “proper burial”. My comments are limited to inaccuracies of his post. The exchanges I listed were all for the return of the “dead bodies” of Israelis, not prisoner exchanges.

As to why Israel keeps them, it’s all conjecture. My response to his post remains the same. Specifically that Israel practices the same policies toward the remains of its fallen enemies as do its neighbors. Again, personally, I think all parties should immediately return the bodies to family ASAP and not hold the dead for ransom. POWs are a different story.

Krauss
February 6, 2016, 7:22 am

Wasn’t there news floating around that Adelson had given Cruz 5 million, either to his super pac or his campaign? Maybe just a test balloon in case Rubio collapsed in NH(while it now looks like there will be a three-way race in the GOP).

Anyway, this is very predictable. Rubio is the establishment puppy, just like Clinton. It won’t help, because the GOP can’t win elections anymore, but in a sense I hope he gets the nomination. It would seriously plunge the party into deep crisis when he (inevitably) loses, thereby making sure we get endless Trumps and Cruzes, and as a result permanent WH control and possibly even permanent congressional control after the 2020 gerrymandering.

Krauss
February 6, 2016, 7:19 am

Yeah, Bernie’s probably the most right-wing in his close family on Zionism, but when you’re around people who are in JVP and are pro-BDS, that’s much better than when you are selling your soul for shekels, in the case of Clinton slaving away for Saban. Literally, she’s the tool of monied interests, Wall Street will control her domestically and the Israel lobby will control her Middle Eastern foreign policy.

For people who keep claiming “they are just the same”, I literally don’t understand how someone can say that in the face of the facts.

Krauss
February 6, 2016, 7:12 am

Stop whining about these political articles, most of the readership are interested in them. We’re mostly to the left of center here, and everyone is engaged in the primary.

I just don’t understand how anyone can support Hillary after knowing the full facts. I can understand if you’re not informed but the woman is totally bought and paid for. By Wall Street and by the Israel lobby.

Get engaged and make sure she doesn’t get the nod. Remember, due to demographics, whoever wins the democratic nomination is going to get the WH.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 6:41 am

How can a conflicted Zionist admit that Zionists had supremacist intent when they wrapped themselves in something so profoundly tragic as the Holocaust?

How? By listening to the Zionists’ own statements.

Kay24
February 6, 2016, 6:40 am

The zionists who keep perpetrating these horrible crimes against helpless civilians, have no soul.

They have no compassion, no tolerance, and certainly no mercy, for those they occupy, steal from, massacre in large numbers, and mete out collective punishment, just to get their thrills.

Obviously they have not learnt lessons from the past, and have in fact taken the role of those who once tormented, and killed their people. They have become sadists, who keep lying to justify the crimes that the rest of the world keeps condemning. I am sorry to say the US has become complicit in these crimes, by sending tax payer money to support and arm them.

As usual the victims are the innocent men, women, and children, in the Palestinian territories.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 6:34 am

No need. We have the document to establish that the buyers of any such property immigrated into Palestine with the declared intent of establishing themselves as a hostile majority with the intent of seizing sovereignty, no later than 1897. As confirmed by the British Crown in 1917.

By the way, “ethnic cleansing” is a non-official, ambiguous description. It is fully covered as part of genocidal practices in the Convention against Genocide and had been discussed here by Hostage, who knows his stuff.

Citizen
February 6, 2016, 6:30 am

Yes, it’s instructive when evaluating Bernie re foreign policy that Obama’s first call as POTUS was to Abbas & that he made his Cairo speech–afterwhich all we have heard from him is hasbara boilerplate–except when it came to the Iran Deal…and now he’s back at parroting hasbara again. setting up his library funding & retirement book & speech career.

Citizen
February 6, 2016, 6:25 am

IN the last debate, Bernie said he would prioritize ending the current campaign finance system. There has never before been a POTUS candidate who put that issue at the top of his agenda. He fights the system itself, not merely says he will try to curb its excesses a tad as Hillary does. Her pattern is to hold firm only on equal rights for women (except when it comes to military draft of females with attendant penalties for avoidance).

Citizen
February 6, 2016, 6:04 am

Yeah, really a brain-twister, like Saban-Soros for Hillary.

MHughes976
February 6, 2016, 5:46 am

Yonah is entitled to his definition, though as Ro)Ha explains, this doesn’t get him off the hook. It might anyway be convenient to define the term just as the conjunction of its two halves, so that it covers any kind of ethnic or population shift brought about because those causing it regard the others as in some way dirtying the area. At that rate e-c occurs even if the cleansers go the extra expense (which they would probably think proved they were wonderful people) of paying a substantial sum to all those cleansed and in practice encountering very little opposition.

Citizen
February 6, 2016, 5:21 am

A good part of the recent primetime TV Hillary v Bernie (Ali vs Frazier) debate covered foreign policy, yet Israel was never mentioned.

Fritz
February 6, 2016, 5:14 am

What means “legitimately bought” or “legally to Palestine” in this case? You have the anglo-saxon idea of property and you have the quite different Ottoman rules of property and century long tenants.
The pre-48 Zionists (e.g. Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) bought land from the “legal” landowners, mostly sheikhs in Lebanon and Jordan, who never had seen the land they sold to Zionists. Their right to the land they “possessed” was limited, particularly it did not include the right to cancel the tenants or even to force them to leave the land.
The Zionist took the property titles (until today as you can see in the Hebron houses) to force the century long tenants to leave it. It is also a colonial habit to decide on what is legal and what not. The anglo-saxon property rights are a very special case and differ from most definitions of property in the world.

hophmi
February 6, 2016, 5:03 am

Just nonsense. This is land that was legally purchased. There’s nothing “Palestinian” about it. I wonder, Phil, whether it’s necessary to include in all profiles about you, that you live on Native American land in Westchester.

CigarGod
February 6, 2016, 4:56 am

“…a legal purchase…”?
Would that include property sold under duress, coersion, etc?

hophmi
February 6, 2016, 4:52 am

I accuse people of antisemitism when it’s warranted, and I do it a lot less than I could. As usual, people here complain about being accused much more often than they’re actually accused. A lot of people here have very guilty consciences.

MHughes976
February 6, 2016, 3:28 am

I don’t know why you describe the questions you want to put to the liberal Zionists as irrational, when they are in truth perfectly sensible and helpful in revealing that lib zio is what yourstruly says it is.
What we face in the academic world is indeed a demand for censorship and it is based on the idea that any large scale event,, conference or suchlike intended to support the Palestinisn cause – anything that might get itself noticed – is objectionably one -sided and even that threats against them are understsndable. This is what happened here in the UK last year when a big conference was banned at Southampton University. Anyone trying to organise anything relevant anywhere now has to fear a similar fate.
In truth there is nothing wrong with a one-sided proclamation provided that no one is compelled to listen and that the other side can invite the same audience to its own one-sided event another time.. No one has any obligation to bandy words, though I think occasions may arise in which you invite a response. It would be no bad thing if someone attempted to reply to your three questions: you would have made an impact.

RoHa
February 6, 2016, 3:21 am

Not a misuse.

“Ethnic cleansing”, as you have defined it, is a moral term. Application of legal pressure is a way of forcing removal even if law officers do not physically remove the tenants, and that is not excluded by your definition.

The fact that it is legal in no way makes it moral. The law can be made by the powerful group that desires the ethnic cleansing, but even if it is not, that is no guarantee that the law is morally acceptable.

David Doppler
February 6, 2016, 2:39 am

Since Hillary has promised to invite Netanyahu on the first day, and Bernie, as I recall, lived on a Kibbutz, shouldn’t a debate line of questioning focus on what their policies are? Settlements? BDS? Assassinations of Iranian scientists? Aid and comfort to al Nusra?

The notion of not saying anything unless asked seems like deference to war criminals. Force them to confront the issues! Americans only seem ignorant because so-called elites practice self-censorship. A sorry state when two progressives won’t address such an Important islet of issues.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 2:12 am

I’d be ashamed too to disclose I’m a Zionist supremacist. I guess he realized that the victims commiserating in the kibbutz in the Promised Land, weren’t the real victims after all. There’s only so far you can push the Holocaust card with reality staring you down.

It’s hard to betray the tribe even for universal human values. How can a conflicted Zionist admit that Zionists had supremacist intent when they wrapped themselves in something so profoundly tragic as the Holocaust? Those Zionists were/are a clever lot aren’t they? I’d compare it to an Omerta covenant; a bond of silence to protect the crime; with the caveat of exploiting great historical tragedy to secure that bond.

Zionism is truly the ultimate most powerful form of supremacy and ultimate challenge to moral conscience. Like all forms of supremacy, the most renown being Nazism, it begs the question: what kind of force in the universe inspired this cult that pits a man against his soul?

Nevada Ned
February 6, 2016, 1:42 am

In the 2012 election, Adelson gave $5M to Newt Gingrich early on, and tons more to Mitt Romney later on, for a total that year of $100M.

This year, let’s guess who will be the beneficiary of Adelson’s campaign donation.

Give up?

May I have the envelope please!!!…I predict…Marco Rubio!

Surprised?

Me neither.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 1:40 am

I don’t understand why yoni cares if someone identifies as Jewish

Maybe because for a non-religious person it is at the very least a political statement supporting the fake nationalism that merges many communities with nothing in common, outside nominal religion in the past of some ancestors, into a non-existing unit. No difference in principle from being, say, Lenin, and identifying oneself primarily as Orthodox Christian. Or a non-religious Bostonian with some Irish in the family declaring that heshe belongs to the Roman Catholic ethnicity, just invented “pour les besoins de la cause”.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 1:20 am

To use the phrase ethnic cleansing to describe a legal purchase of land and a legal eviction of tenants is a misuse of the term.

Z-leazy misinterpretation of the truth. Guess what the Z stands for?

Zionist-supremacy.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 1:10 am

But like anybody in politics today, he would have to be very cautious and strategic in bringing up any differences with the Zionist Establishment’s vast power

Tsk-tsk; it’s anti-Semitic to bring up Zionist power.

If he weren’t a Zionist he’d be excoriated; but since he’s a Zionist he won’t bring up anything.

He’s not an anti-Zionist people! Stop dreaming.

jake42
February 6, 2016, 1:08 am

a better definition?

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of increasing the dominance of the removing group. The forces applied may be military or paramilitary violence, forced migration, intimidation, and social or economic pressures designed to accomplish this goal

(Ethnic cleansing is usually accompanied with the efforts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.)

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 1:05 am

It is intuitive and speculative, and exists outside the bounds of a mechanistic relation to a material world

So it’s not religion?

alen
February 6, 2016, 12:51 am

“Israel hasn’t done one single thing to help the fight. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. ”

Yes it has. It has helped ISIS (or ISIL) quite a bit. There is even video evidence (besides what reporters have written about to deaf ears for well over a year).

link to news.vice.com

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 12:44 am

Tokyobk,

Very good observation. Kibbutz settlers, in their majority if not entirety, can be seen as immigrated with hostile intent re sovereignty, starting 1897 at the latest.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 12:38 am

I certainly hope so! The contrary is too repulsive to envision.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 12:38 am

Kris,

There is no question that Sanders would be better than Clinton on I/P.

There are questions, several of them, already exposed to you and ignored. Further beating the Empress isn’t an answer.

tokyobk
February 6, 2016, 12:33 am

Its a fair concern and there are certainly Jews who were living in and immigrated legally to Palestine, but here is the thing with all colonial movements; legitimate transactions of one time are obscured by larger, state sponsored grabs of a later time.

Take the many Japanese farmers and merchants who legitimately bought land and property in Manchuria and various South Sea Islands decades before the Pacific War. The Imperial grab of entire countries by force (and with support of most of those early settlers) creates a kind of complicit responsibility.

In that case, all the Japanese, except some blended families and many of them too, were expelled. In the case of a future Israel/Palestine I would hope all legitimate deeds were respected but that would mean an awful lot of Palestinian returnees making fair claims.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 12:33 am

That’s why Rubio has been acting so smug lately. He’s got that look like big cash just rolled in and he’s going to be propelled to the front of the line. His wife must be measuring the drapes already; that’s how sure of himself he’s been looking lately. YUCK.

Does Adelson have an Israeli security escort? Sure looks like it in that picture.

America… Zionist rig.

peacenotapartheid
February 6, 2016, 12:10 am

> This article fits oddly into MW’s I/P investigations…

Money in politics is at the root of I/P. If the money issue was resolved, the U.S.’s stance on I/P would soon reflect its own best interests instead of the interests of Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson.

kalithea
February 6, 2016, 12:10 am

This is an excellent article, but I wish people wouldn’t refer to Palestinians as natives within a colonial enterprise. Native has been given derogatory connotations in history and society.

Colonialism is not what the occupation is, and to express it as such is to conceal the crime behind the occupation and to undermine the rights of the occupied. My view is that many Palestinians are cultured and educated and hungry for knowledge and the word “native” implies otherwise. Zionists didn’t come exploring and settling and then take over spreading their religion and their own culture. They entered like terrorists, blowing up villages and ethnically cleansing and then occupying land through modern warfare segregating and marginalizing. This is a crime under the Geneva Conventions. Colonialism would also be a crime in modern time but because it took place in another era history explained it otherwise, like development and assimilation into a superior culture. In the case of superiority they overlap; but supremacy always implies ethnic cleansing; because supremacists cannot tolerate those they consider inferior in their midst. They are racists and bigots without redeeming intentions.

The Palestinians were already an evolved society that was militarily occupied therefore Israeli Zionists are occupiers not colonialists even though there are overlapping similarities. We shouldn’t open the door for excuses and pretense at the benefits of colonisation, example: making the desert bloom that Zionists use as a cover for what they really did and use to pretend they brought civilization to the Palestinians when in fact all they brought is ethnic cleansing through terror and warfare. There is no excuse for an occupation of a nation of people by supremacists in our day.

Now as far as this statement: It is precisely the more knowledgeable Zionists who run away from displays and conversations they know will be extremely challenging. There’s a PEP that immediately came to mind when I read this: BERNIE SANDERS.

Bernie Sanders is one PEP that really needs to be challenged.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 12:04 am

Thank you so much for the explanation, Annie. So the second part of the post (about Mr. Sanders) stands –in fact even stronger.

echinococcus
February 6, 2016, 12:00 am

Kathleen,
All that is nice and good but obviously not leading anywhere. Ever thought of getting out of the single party system?

echinococcus
February 5, 2016, 11:57 pm

Reb Fredman,
Still no understanding of the difference between land and sovereignty? After all these years?

yourstruly
February 5, 2016, 11:33 pm

Liberal Zionism is an oxymoron.

kalithea
February 5, 2016, 11:27 pm

I really think he’s ignoring the elephant in the room; foreign policy and when Hillary addresses foreign policy he just nods his head. If he’s going to brush off foreign policy he should at least not nod or demonstrate he’s of the same opinion as her.

I’m glad he’s attacking Hillary on her special interest funding but he never goes as far as naming her biggest funder Haim Saban, the uber-Zionist.

It’s disappointing.

Kris
February 5, 2016, 10:16 pm

From Mooser’s link:

Israel’s former ambassador to the UK has been accused of inviting men and boys for trysts late at night when his wife was not home. A British policeman filed a complaint with Israeli authorities about the incidents. A further investigation by the foreign ministry’s inspector general found that UK-born Ambassador Daniel Taub, who was ambassador from 2011-2015, violated security protocol by not notifying his chief of security of the identity of the visitors. The purpose of recording visitors is in order to prevent Israeli diplomatic personnel from being blackmailed or compromised. Since MI5 knew of Taub’s activities, the Israeli foreign ministry was concerned that he might be compromised by them or that one of his paramours might attempt to extort payments from him. link to azvsas.blogspot.com

More on this story here: link to richardsilverstein.com , and here: link to middleeastmonitor.com .

Probably Israeli Ambassador Daniel Taub, the father of six children, got used to sexually abusing children while he was in the IDF; 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody are sexually abused there; almost 100% of these children are tortured. Torture is sexually exciting to sadists.

Rowan
February 5, 2016, 10:09 pm

My own research suggests to me that the entire pro-Soviet stance of Hashomer Hatzair in the kibbutzim was a calculated display, intended to deceive Stalin into the rather strange view that an independent Israel would join the Soviet bloc. The two deceivers who went to Moscow in 1947 to persuade Stalin of this, the first of whom paid dearly with a prison sentence after the Prague trials almost a decade later, and the second of whom did not, were MAPAM’s Mordechai Oren and Shmuel Mikunis of MAKI, the then-‘Palestinian’ CP. The reports submitted by MIkunis and Oren concerning their secret mission are at Beit Berl. I have a feeling there is some sort of inability to explore them and publish the results in public.

Donald
February 5, 2016, 9:39 pm

Good point. I love the way politicians like Clinton can put on an aura of outrage at the notion that her vote could be influenced by mere money.

Dan
February 5, 2016, 9:37 pm

JWalters

Noam Chomsky also spent time on a Hashomer Hatzair (Kibbutz Artzi Movement) Kibbutz.
Hashomer Hatzair was in favor of a bi-national state in the 40’s, and opposed the Biltmore
Program.

Kathleen
February 5, 2016, 8:57 pm

For those of us who have worked our asses off on the P/I issue for decades and tried like hell for truly progressive candidates, marched in the halls of congress, put together petitions having to do with not invading Iraq signed by thousands, petitions sent to Rep begging, demanding foreign aid stop being fed to Israel etc etc etc. What the hell do you suggest?

Atlantaiconoclast
February 5, 2016, 8:54 pm

Didn’t you get the memo? Only Jews in Israel are allowed to be racist nativists.

Kay24
February 5, 2016, 8:34 pm

I will be convinced of that when I hear journalists show they can easily criticize Israel’s crimes, the occupation being mentioned, and hear them say that the illegal settlement are detrimental to any peace talks. They behave like little wimps when it comes to risking their jobs and speaking the truth.

ckg
February 5, 2016, 8:33 pm

I thought Miriam liked Cruz. Well, she and Sheldon probably have their own beds by now.

Keith
February 5, 2016, 8:28 pm

ROHA- “Spirituality” is one of those buzzwords which has become popular recently, but which I find too imprecise to be really meaningful. (“Relate” and some uses of “wonder” are others.)”

Spirituality is a concept that has been around for a long time, hardly a buzzword. In general, it refers to the unique-to-human (chimps, too?) sense of self and of consciousness, and how that relates to a person’s relationship to the broader cosmos. It is intuitive and speculative, and exists outside the bounds of a mechanistic relation to a material world. As such, definitions will never be precise in the engineering sense, nor should they be. The words wonder and awe frequently occur because that is what most feel when contemplating human conscious awareness and the ability to perceive beauty. It is that quality which elevates humans from being merely a biological unit. It also has little to do with organized religion which all too frequently replaces spirituality with ritual. I am a little surprised that Buddhist philosophy which you mention lacks the concept of spirituality.

From the web, an additional definition: “Spirituality is a broad concept with room for many perspectives. In general, it includes a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves, and it typically involves a search for meaning in life. As such, it is a universal human experience—something that touches us all.” link to takingcharge.csh.umn.edu

Mooser
February 5, 2016, 8:23 pm

“If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck”

You try to cross that river on a chicken, and you’ll know viaduct!

yonah fredman
February 5, 2016, 7:59 pm

Avraham Stern was the leader of the Lehi until his violent death by British guns in 1942. Shamir became a leader of Lehi in 1943.