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genesto
August 19, 2017, 2:03 pm

Nice going, Amith! This is an excellent story to pursue. It gives us the golden opportunity to conflate the white supremacy movement in the US with the Zionist supremacy movement in Israel, further exposing Zionism for the exceptionalist and racist ideology it really is.

White supremacy and Zionism are now open subjects no longer to be swept under the rug. Though the struggles against both will become more bitter and divisive in the short term, with more violence likely to result, the cathartic effect it will have will give us more hope for realizing lasting long-term solutions.

Jack Green
August 19, 2017, 1:50 pm

italian ex-pat

Should people watching the Nazi march in Charlottesville conclude that all Americans are Nazi White Supremacists?

amigo
August 19, 2017, 1:48 pm

Who said he wasn,t sherlock.

I was referring to the CNN hypocrites who only see war crimes they want to.

As to the little idf criminal , Azaria , being arrested , that only happened because he was caught on video.He was sentenced to 18 months for his war crime and all and sundry in Israel are calling for their little hero to be pardoned.

Go back to sleep Jacko.

Ruth1940
August 19, 2017, 1:47 pm
Jack Green
August 19, 2017, 1:29 pm

oldgeezer

Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

The problem remains. If Zionism is not the answer, what is?

MHughes976
August 19, 2017, 1:21 pm

To add to your remarks, Mist, we should note that the Bible, the book that Zionists know so patchily, is the primary witness to a Philistine state. Its boundaries are uncertain and it may have lost its independence after the time of Nebuchadnezzar, but the same is true of the states or kingdoms of Israel and Judah, which likewise lost their independence after a time.
It was the Philistine/Palestinian name that spread over the whole territory as a geographical term, as is indicated by the evidence you mention, which is proof, I think, that the Philistine/Palestinian state whose name (unlike Israel) thus spread, and which represents an non-Israelite ancient population, had never been an inconsiderable thing.
Moreover a new perspective comes from the recently identified ‘Northern Palestine’, a neo-Hittite kingdom. See Weeden, After the Hittites, SOAS Research Online, 2013 .
Not that human rights depend on ancient history..

MHughes976
August 19, 2017, 1:00 pm

And it was a good quantum joke, Mooser, made me smile. Schrödinger’s cat would have grinned.

maddave
August 19, 2017, 12:21 pm

You want “Israeli-Zionist logic”? I give you Israeli-Zionist logic:
Don’t you find it curious — “interesting ” — that on the one hand, the State of Israel can denounce the violent and unabashedly-vocal anti-Semitic alt-right christian (sic) rioters in Charlottesville while, on the other, they support and encourage — even pander to — latent-but-equally anti-semitic “christian (sic) zionists” and dispensationalists. This latter group’s well scripted “End Times” sequence of events entails — indeed, demands — the complete annihilation of all Judaism through either their conversion to Christianity or their slaughter.
Go figure.

Mooser
August 19, 2017, 12:14 pm

If “Jon s” arrived in Las Vegas in a one hundred thousand dollar Mercedes, he would leave on a 500 thousand dollar Greyhound Bus.

Compulsive gambling with the truth is going to leave him bankrupt.

Mooser
August 19, 2017, 12:09 pm

*” i still think your beliefs are a real trip.”

“YoniFalic” grew up in Israel. You didn’t.

Mooser
August 19, 2017, 12:03 pm

People just don’t appreciate a good quantum mechanics joke the way they used to.

oldgeezer
August 19, 2017, 11:30 am

@jon s /annie

A terrible article jon. Annie has nailed it on the head. That was the substance of spencer’s remarks and Rosenberg totally ignores it.

There’s no way he could have missed the import of what was said. The supremacist desire is the same on both sides. All of those ideologies grew out of the same period when racism was not just commonplace but the norm. Zionism should have been put into the dustbin of history along with the rest.

oldgeezer
August 19, 2017, 11:02 am

Yes it is still a war crime. Hague Conventions 1899.

eljay
August 19, 2017, 11:01 am

|| Beauchard: A few comments. Not to discuss. Only a fool discusses with zealots of any religious or political persuasion. … ||

Yeah, but Zionist zealots like you – people who advocate Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine – make discussion so appealing that we’d be fools not to discuss.

Just look at the awesome job Jack Green has been doing lately. :-)

CigarGod
August 19, 2017, 10:53 am

Thanks for the opp to do more research. Yep, Leiber Code 1863 signed by Lincoln could be the earliest modern law.

pabelmont
August 19, 2017, 10:46 am

Amith Gupta: Great article, thanks. Do you know how we can communicate with Scott Stringer or the Museum?

pabelmont
August 19, 2017, 10:42 am

a blah chick has about the right idea. There are two sides to this “story”, and both must be told. There are also two emotional reactions to this story and if either is to be told, both should be told. And I’d cancel Israeli “sponsorship” or any sort of Zionist sponsorship.

I don’t like the idea of a “celebration” of anything; rather, I like the idea of a retelling of the history (and far from just Zionist motivations, hopes, triumphs) complete with pre-Israel Zionist terrorism (say 1945-1948) and the Nakba (skip the pro-Israel emotion). Sort of as if some museum held a historic “founding of the USA” complete with the a LONG story of the mistreatment of the Indians.

Citizen
August 19, 2017, 10:19 am

See recent NYT article about What Robert E. Lee Wrote to The Times About Slavery in 1858

CigarGod
August 19, 2017, 10:16 am

Your mission agent baker is to make two cream puffs and put a little swirl on top of one of them.

A distinction without a difference is just one of the logical fallacies the well-equiped zionist has up his pastry bag.

eljay
August 19, 2017, 9:45 am

|| @ar: … @e … You really seemed to get my point with the “birds of a feather..” comment. … ||

I’m glad you finally agree that Zionists truly are hateful and immoral people.

|| … But the funniest line was “choose to be Jewish” .! … ||

Jewish is a choice. There’s nothing funny about that.

Nor is there anything funny about acts of injustice and immorality committed against people who choose to be Jewish or against people who do not choose to be Jewish.

I condemn injustice and immorality in both cases; Zionist hypocrites like you condemn them in the former case but advocate, commit, justify and/or defend them in the latter. And that’s not funny in the least – it’s just hateful and immoral. Or, in a word, Zionist.

Paranam Kid
August 19, 2017, 9:21 am

@DaBakr
1. I don’t care who came up with the term “liberal zionist”, but the term does not make sense as it is a contradiction in terms. Zionists are not & cannot be liberal because the nature of that sick ideology is predicated on racism.

2. What’s more, there is no i/P conflict: the word assumes that the parties involved have comparable access to resources (including material resources, freedom of movement, freedom to express oneself, as well as the forces of violence), but that they clash because their interests are mutually incompatible. Rather, one is dealing with an occupation, which
consists in one party controlling, militarily or otherwise, the territory, time, liberty, and other resources deemed to be under the rightful control of the other party.

3. …both israel and the palestinians make painful decisions and get on with a two state solution.
Israel is making no painful decisions whatsoever, it has stolen Palestinian Territory, the remainder of which it is now considering to annex, having already annexed East Jerusalem illegally, not to mention the Golan Heights but that’s another story.

4. The 2-state solution is dead, so there is only a 1-state solution, for which the zionist state in its current form has absolutely no legitimacy & is a travesty of democracy. The “country” needs to be dismantled completely & rebuilt from the ground up & formed into a truly democratic state with EQUAL rights for ALL citizens, and that includes the Palestinians.

YoniFalic
August 19, 2017, 9:18 am

International law of war crimes does not start with Geneva Conventions.

a blah chick
August 19, 2017, 8:16 am

I’ve got an idea they can have their recreation of the 47 UN vote so long as it is accompanied with plenty of pictures from the Nakba. I’m sure Mr Stringer wouldn’t want such important history t be left out.

CigarGod
August 19, 2017, 2:08 am

Technically speaking, as the Geneva Conventions were not in place, was it a war crime?

echinococcus
August 19, 2017, 1:40 am

Hughes,

the discovery of remains from chalcolithuc Jerusalem – the 5000s BC

Impossible. We are only in the year 5777 from the creation of the world.

DaBakr
August 19, 2017, 12:52 am

@m

Hah! Very funny!

DaBakr
August 19, 2017, 12:38 am

@yonifalic

I apologize for the name play. it won’t happen again. it was inappropriate.

* i still think your beliefs are a real trip.

DaBakr
August 19, 2017, 12:26 am

@p

your statement is pretty funny considering it was most likely mondoweiss and cohorts that cabs up with the term ‘, liberal zionist’ to differentiate between zionists they consider ‘hopeless causes’ in terms of the fringe left being able to convince them of anything from the stupid gullible jewish folk who are zionist but desire a peaceful outcome to the I/p conflict where both israel and the palestinians make painful decisions and get on with a two state solution. these ‘liberal zionists’ represent a small chance of letting sites like MW change their opinions and so they deem to ‘speak’ to them. bye bye jSt?

Annie Robbins
August 19, 2017, 12:24 am

His basic thesis is that oppression sets Jews apart and entitles them to exclusive ownership of “their Historic homeland”. “Whites” have never been oppressed therefore can claim no such privilege.

Rosenberg leads the reader to believe he is going to debunk spencer’s statement but then he goes on to explain how the alt right adopts basic premises of their adversaries and then explains why jewish exceptionalism is inherently (according to him) different than white exceptionalism. but check this out:

“As an Israeli citizen,” Spencer told his Israeli interviewer, “someone who understands your identity, who has a sense of nationhood and peoplehood and the history and experience of the Jewish people, you should respect someone like me who has analogous feelings about whites. I mean, you could say that I am a white Zionist in the sense that I care about my people. I want us to have a secure homeland that’s for us and ourselves just like you want a secure homeland in Israel.”

It’s an analogy with superficial plausibility. It’s also a malicious lie, and a deliberate one.

explaining why, in his opinion, zionism is different than white nationalism, according to Rosenberg it is because of the context in which one filled a need and the other didn’t. but this doesn’t explain why what spencer is saying is a lie — because spencer didn’t even address the context in which it came about. nor did rosenberg note that the context today is not the same, or acknowledge jews in the US (about 1/2 the worlds views) are not any less off than other american whites. and it can be argued in some ways more affluent/privileged (as an ethnic group) and/or identify as white.

but did explain why what spencer claimed was a lie? when spencer said

“you should respect someone like me who has analogous feelings about whites”

who is rosenberg to claim spencer’s feelings of “someone who understands your identity, who has a sense of nationhood and peoplehood and the history and experience of the Jewish people. so what was he talking about? “the sense that I care about my people. I want us to have a secure homeland that’s for us and ourselves just like you want a secure homeland in Israel”

so how is this a lie if he believes it? i don’t agree with it at all, but isn’t “to have a secure homeland that’s for us and ourselves ” what many israelis want, and would say what israel is? because rosenberg would have to deny it is not the very same desire. to have an ethnically exclusive homeland. and he didn’t do that.

DaBakr
August 19, 2017, 12:15 am

The fact that PW doesn’t know the difference between Israel supporting american jews criticizing the neo-nazis in america and jews in america who cheer the existence of israel is why he will remain a representative of the fringe radical left with limited base of support.

DaBakr
August 18, 2017, 11:54 pm

@jld

Your reading an awful lot into one opinion. A bit melodramatic maybe?

italian ex-pat
August 18, 2017, 11:46 pm

I wonder if anybody else had the same reaction I did, watching the video of the mostly young, white nationalists marching into Charlottesville last Friday night, with their lit tiki torches, shouting anti-Semitic threats and other racial epiteths. To me, it brought to mind the spectacle of the mob of Israeli youths on ‘Jerusalem Day’, marching through the old city with banners and chanting “Death to the Arabs”, terrorizing the shopkeepers and the rest of the Palestinians who live above the shops and who shutter their doors and windows in fear. And the Israeli police and IDF watch it all with a smirk on their faces, never intervening – in fact I think they’re there to protect the marchers, not the residents.
This is probably why there was hardly a peep from Israel condemning the white American racists – after all, they share the same nationalistic goal, a country ‘cleansed’ of anyone not of their race and religion. The government of course has to say something politically correct for the sake of appearances to the eyes of the world, but in their hearts I suspect they are not terribly offended.

It’s also worth noting the much stronger reaction from the American media to Trump’s disgraceful comments , unlike the time he came out demonizing the entire Islamic world; yes, there was some grumbling and some protests but it didn’t even come close to the outrage we have been witnessing these past few days. And not only from the media, but from Trump’s own supporters in Congress! Nothing like anti-Semitism to stir up the old moral values. Whether because of their own conscience or, you know, the donors . . . is not clear.

Kaisa of Finland
August 18, 2017, 10:00 pm

RoHa:

“Pervert!”

Heh.. No.. I was just wondering: ‘Cause usually forbidding things, make people just want them even more??

eljay
August 18, 2017, 9:44 pm

|| Arafatbastard: Actually, Israel is being singled out by bigots, such as yourself. ||

It’s nice to know that you’re in favour of treating Israel like other rogue nations and subjecting it to crushing sanctions, destabilization and regime change.

Brewer
August 18, 2017, 8:57 pm

jon s.
In the first place, I disagree with Spencer in that I do not support any form of privilege based purely on ethnicity.
Rosenberg cannot go there of course so his argument is based on exceptionalism . His basic thesis is that oppression sets Jews apart and entitles them to exclusive ownership of “their Historic homeland”. “Whites” have never been oppressed therefore can claim no such privilege.

Whilst I do not agree that oppression creates any entitlement other than its cessation, I suggest that the Highland Clearances and the Irish genocide (to which many “white” Americans owe their presence here) easily qualifies. We don’t know the death toll of the Clearances, the Irish lost about one and a half million. There are now more descendants of Highlanders in the U.S. than there are in Scotland, indicating the numbers of the dispossessed.

The “Historic Homeland” myth has long been debunked by historians and geneticists but, even if it were valid, Palestine has another claimant – the descendants of those who did not leave. It is their claim that Zionism utterly denies and it is they who are now the victims of oppression.

These arguments are “garbage in – garbage out”. Privilege based on ethnicity is simply the other side of racist coin.

RoHa
August 18, 2017, 8:43 pm

The phenomenon has a name.

“Phenomena” is plural.

Jon66
August 18, 2017, 8:39 pm

It is not a victory for free speech when speakers are cancelled due to threatened violence by protesters.

Ms. Elia continues to advocate for speech only from those she agrees with and then claims victimhood.

The antidote to bad ideas is better ideas, not silencing them.

RoHa
August 18, 2017, 8:38 pm

@Kaisa

Pervert!

RoHa
August 18, 2017, 8:36 pm

“In practice this would mean the destruction of the state of Israel”

If equal rights for Palestinians is the same as destruction, then destruction is a good thing. In practice, Israeli people could go on living in much the same way as they do now.

“BDS wants the state of Israel to commit suicide.”

No-one has to kill themselves. And “suicide” is the wrong term to apply to a state. Even when used metaphorically, it evokes the idea of literal death. But no literal death is required, only political reorganisation.

YoniFalic
August 18, 2017, 7:45 pm

I consider the Khazar hypothesis too focused on the most well-known pre-modern conversion when there should be more focus on significant but less well-known pre-modern conversions.

Linguistic, textual and other data suggests that EEuro and German Jews especially outside of the region of Southern Ukraine are much more likely to be descended from Slavic, Germanic, Byzantine, or Gallo-Roman converts than from Turkic converts.

The important point is the following.

Judaism has been a major proselytizing religion since the Persian imperial period, something to which the Book of Esther alludes.

Zios that try to claim that Jews are an ethnicity or Volk in the German ethnoracial sense are simply liars and must be discounted.

Slavo-Turks, whose ancestors converted to Judaism and who until recently spoke Yiddish, were an ethnicity or Volk of Eastern Europe and were autochthonous or indigenous to E. Europe. They have no legitimate claim to Palestine, the UN made an error in accepting the State of Israel into the UN, the white racist genocidal settler-colonist invader population must be removed, and the Zionist leadership both in the Levant and throughout the world must be tried for genocide — preferably in a venue that still executes by hanging.

The Rome Statute explicitly states that there is no statute of limitations for genocide. Either the State of Israel exists and the white racist genocidal invaders remain in the country they stole or there is an international antigenocide legal regime.

BTW, I don’t make fun of people’s names. Why are Zio commentators allowed to do so?

RoHa
August 18, 2017, 7:38 pm

“God Most Hugh. ”

An ancestor?

YoniFalic
August 18, 2017, 7:24 pm

It is a symptom of mental colonization by racist EEuro fake “Jews”/Zionists to use the term Jew and paronyms with respect to any of the inhabitants of Greco-Roman Palestine. Said inhabitants when practicing a form of Judaism can be called Judaic. When living in the Judean region of Palestine, they may be called Judean. Jew and paronyms should only be used in the 10th century or thereafter.

Bumblebye
August 18, 2017, 7:05 pm

Charlottesville seems also to be the moment of truth for the Presidents Committee on Arts and Humanities. They’ve collectively resigned and the first letter of each para of their resignation letter spells out ‘RESIST’.

Keith
August 18, 2017, 6:52 pm

NADA ELIA- “The task is immense, but there are some welcome developments already. White rights activist Richard Spenser’s presentation at the University of Florida, previously scheduled for September 1, was cancelled Wednesday over concerns of another violent confrontation.”

Richard Spenser’s talk is cancelled due to the threat of a violent confrontation involving Antifa versus the Alt-Right and you consider this a victory for free speech? Richard Spenser is small beer, the US government has been supporting fascistic and other authoritarian regimes for a long, long time. The US supported a coup in the Ukraine which installed a Russophobic government riddled with neo-Nazis. Chickens are coming home to roost. A quote from Ajamu Baraka:

“The alt-right that showed up in Charlottesville this past weekend was mimicking the tactics of the frontline neo-fascist soldiers who orchestrated the coup in the Ukraine, yet everyone is saying this is a result of Trump. The objective fact is that the U.S. has become a dangerous right-wing society as a result of a steady shift to the right over the past four decades. The idea that Trump’s election somehow “created” the right cannot be taken seriously and cannot be reduced to the crude expressions of the alt-right.” (Ajamu Baraka) https://www.blackagendareport.com/story-charlottesville-was-written-blood-ukraine

eljay
August 18, 2017, 6:48 pm

|| Jack Green: eljay … ||

Jack.

|| … None of the above. ||

In that case, what exactly were you trying to say about religious Jews?

Oh, and don’t forget to let me know which type of discrimination you support. Thanks.

JoeSmack
August 18, 2017, 6:45 pm

Is that the Palestinian flag behind him? What’s that about?

Kaisa of Finland
August 18, 2017, 6:27 pm

Jack:

“Why is it OK for the US to discriminate..”

Why would it be OK for anyone to discriminate anybody??

If someone is an idiot, do you also have to be??

Kay24
August 18, 2017, 6:21 pm

You have got to wonder if Wolf Blitzer got this plum job at CNN because of his pro Israeli stance. or zionist influence. If you study his speech patterns, you will see that he is a very bad speaker, who cannot speak a full sentence without breaking in between, and stopping as if to take in his breath, which is a very bad speech impediment for someone in his field. He would not have been hired by many news channels who are particular about the faultless elocution of news casters, which is part of the profession.

ckg
August 18, 2017, 5:32 pm

It’s not that difficult to understand, jon s. Ethnic supremacism is ethnic supremacism. And it’s wrong. And it doesn’t matter what ethnic group.

Jack Green
August 18, 2017, 5:26 pm

Mooser

“persecuted”
not
“prosecuted”

Jack Green
August 18, 2017, 5:24 pm

eljay

“Hmmm…I can’t tell if you’re trying to say that religious Jews are:
– a bit lame for feeling unnecessary guilt;
– a bit supremacist for getting non-Jews to do what they feel Jews shouldn’t do; or
– a bit of both.”

None of the above.

MHughes976
August 18, 2017, 5:06 pm

Genesis 14:18-20.

Ossinev
August 18, 2017, 5:05 pm

@Beauchard
“A few comments. Not to discuss. Only a fool discusses with zealots of any religious or political persuasion”
Sounds to me like I wan`t to play with the toy but all those other kids are just nasties and I don`t want them to be able to play.

He/she then proceeds to invite responses from/ discussion with “zealous” commentators of an opposing political persuasion. Foolish or what ?

A new Hasbara kid on the block already zapped on Ziochol.

Simples. If you don`t want to discuss then piss off to another forum.

MHughes976
August 18, 2017, 5:04 pm

As to the Mayor of Jerusalem ignorant and in a sense insulting remarks about the Jewish bedrock, we should note the announcement by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism on February 17, 2016, about the discovery of remains from chalcolithuc Jerusalem – the 5000s BCE. Zionists know their Bible very little, it seems to me, however often they appeal to it, since the existence of Jerusalem before Abraham is recorded so clearly, not only a city but as a centre of the worship of God Most Hugh. A brutally interpreted train of religious thought at work.

Keith
August 18, 2017, 4:46 pm

JACK GREEN- “Jewish State means a majority-Jewish state where all Jews are welcome – a refuge for persecuted Jews.”

Jewish state means that only Jews are welcome, including Russian oligarchs avoiding prosecution (not persecution). As for the reality of this “multicultural” paradise, I link to an Abby Martin interview: http://thesaker.is/abby-martin-speaks-the-plain-truth-about-the-zionist-regime-in-palestine/

JoeSmack
August 18, 2017, 4:01 pm

Thank you Ms. Raicovich for making the right decision.

Misterioso
August 18, 2017, 4:00 pm

@JLewisDickerson

Greetings
Regarding the following statement you quote made by Yair Netanyahu, aka,Jesse Natan, son of Bibi:

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian state. It is part of Israel. There never in history has been a Palestinian state. There is no such state and I hope there never will be. Palestinians are Arabs who settled in our country, but who emigrated from other Arab countries less than 100 years ago.”

I write the following response to Yair/Jesse with the hope that a Zionist who monitors Mondowiess will forward it on to him. His ignorance is appalling.

1.
Re: “There never in history has been a Palestinian state.”

Reality;
The first known written reference to Palestinians as a people (Peleset) was c.1150 BCE at the temple of Medinet Habut. They were among those who fought with Egypt during Ramesses III’s reign.

The region between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea was referred to as “Palestine” by the Greek historian Herodotus (“the father of history”) during the 5th century BCE.

100 years later, in the mid-4th Century BCE, Aristotle referred to Palestine while discussing the Dead Sea in his Meteorology. “Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine….”

Jewish historian Josephus’s (c.37-100 CE) The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews contains many references to both “Palestine” and “Palestinians.”

Contemporaries of Jesus also routinely referred to Palestine as “Palestine.” In the first decade of the 1st Century, the Roman poet Ovid mentioned Palestine in both his famed mythological poem Metamorphoses and his erotic elegy The Art of Love. He also wrote of “the waters of Palestine” in his calendrical poem Fasti. Around the same time, another Latin poet, Tibullus wrote of “the crowded cities of Palestine” in the section “Messalla’s Triumph” in his poem Delia.

The Zionist claim that the Roman emperor Hadrian officially changed the name of the region to “Syria Palaestina” or simply “Palestine,” in 135 CE is contradicted by the fact that by then, the term “Palestine” had already been in use for over 600 years.

When the Muslim Arabs arrived in Palestine in the 7th century CE (and liberated its Jewish population from Byzantine oppression), they retained the administrative organization of the territory of Palestine as it had been under the Romans and later, the Byzantines. They referred to the territory as Filastin (no “P” in Arabic.)

To quote the opening sentence of the section entitled “Filastin” that appears in the book “Dictionary of the Lands,” written by geographer Yaqut ibn Abdullah al-Hamawi in 1225: “Filastin: It is the last one of the regions of Syria in the direction of Egypt. Its most famous cities are Ashkelon, Ramle, Gaza, Arsuf, Caesaria, Nablus, Jericho, Jaffa and Beit Guvrin.”

By about 1300 CE, Palestine was a recognized geographical concept using coinage with “Filistin” written on them. There were diaries of Palestinian travelers who said they missed “Palestine” and a distinctive Palestinian dialect of Arabic had evolved. From 1300 on, the vast majority of people who lived in Palestine were Christians and Muslims.

In 1603, Shakespeare wrote in his play Othello: “Emilia: I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” (Act IV, Scene iii.)

In 1863, The Religious Tract Society of London published its “Pictorial Journey Through the Holy Land; or Scenes of Palestine.” In this work Beersheba is described as the southern limit of Palestine. Beersheba lies south-east of Gaza on the northern edge of the Negev desert. Palestine is described as “south of Lebanon.”

European tourist books of the nineteenth century refer to “Palestine,” as did Theodor Herzl in his correspondence and the 1917 Balfour Declaration as well as the 1922 Class A League of Nations British Mandate.

To quote the Winston Churchill Memorandum (1 July 1922) regarding the British Mandate: “[T]he status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status.”

2.
Re: “Palestinians are Arabs who settled in our country, but who emigrated from other Arab countries less than 100 years ago. ”

Reality:
It seems like many others, Yair/Jesse has been duped by Joan Peters’ long since debunked mountain of mendacity, “From Time Immemorial…”

To wit:

Professor Porath, one of Israel’s leading demographic historians, called Peters’ book a “forgery… [that] was almost universally dismissed [in Israel] as sheer rubbish except maybe as a propaganda weapon.”(New York Times, Nov.28, 1985)

Rabbi Arthur Herzberg, vice-president of the World Jewish Congress, agreed: “I think that she’s cooked the statistics…. The scholarship is phony and tendentious. I do not believe that she has read the Arabic sources that she quotes.”(ibid)

To again quote Professor Porath: “The precise demographic history of modern Palestine cannot be summed up briefly, but its main features are clear enough and they are very different from the fanciful description Mrs. Peters gives…. [S]he has apparently searched through documents for any statement to the effect that Arabs entered Palestine. But even if we put together all the cases she cites, one cannot escape the conclusion that most of the growth of the Palestinian Arab community resulted from a process of natural increase.” (“Mrs. Peters’ Palestine” New York Review of Books, 16 January 1986.)

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 3:36 pm

You rolled snake-eyes, again, “Jon s”. You should call Gamblers Anonymous. You’re compulsive.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 3:25 pm

“That bad genocide has….

Yeah, get a clue. The Palestinians aren’t going anywhere.

“Not like the call of the “resistance” for the good genocide of 6.4 million Israelis because they are Jews”

Zionist quote marks work a little differently from ordinary quote marks. The word, or words within the Zionist quote marks are exempt from context, attribution or meaning.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 3:13 pm

“Why is it OK for the US to discriminate”

Nobody says it is OK for the US to discriminate. In fact we have laws against it in general, and even try to remedy past discrimination.

Which US laws make it “OK for the US to discriminate”?

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 3:03 pm

“That Israel serves as a refuge for persecuted Jews…”

“Jack”, I looked it up. Israel has extradition treaties with most countries. Prosecuted Jews may want to look elsewhere.

Jack Green
August 18, 2017, 2:58 pm

maddave

I don’t know even one Jew who supports Christian Zionists,
but I’m sure that there are Jews who are happy for the support that they are getting
from Christian Zionists.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 2:55 pm

“Would watching through keyhole be allowed??”

To find out, I’m watching videos on the “double-slit experiment” but I keep on getting diffracted.

Jack Green
August 18, 2017, 2:55 pm

Why is it OK for the US to discriminate,
but not OK for Israel to discriminate?

Beauchard
August 18, 2017, 2:54 pm

That bad genocide that has reduced the rise in the Palestinian population since 1948 to 600%.

That bad genocide that has reduced the current annual Palestinian population growth to just 2.91%. Only seven times the annual population growth of western countries. Much worse than the genocide in Syria where the population has decreased by 10%.

That bad genocide that is responsible for a Palestinian life expectancy that is only 15 years longer than South Africa and is only on the same level as the EU countries Latvia and Lithuania.

That bad genocide that is responsible for a Palestinian infant mortality rate lower than Jordan and Egypt and half of the infant mortality rate of South Africa.

Not like the call of the “resistance” for the good genocide of 6.4 million Israelis because they are Jews.

eljay
August 18, 2017, 2:16 pm

|| Mooser: “eljay”, it is, I must admit, almost a morbid fascination for me. I would give a lot to know what “Jon s” thinks he is doing. Maybe he will tell us one day. ||

I’m curious to know, too. One thing’s for sure: He’s no Jack Green!

eljay
August 18, 2017, 2:14 pm

|| Jack Green: eljay … ||

Jack.

|| … Even if “Jewish is a religion-based identity,” that doesn’t mean that Israel considers Jewish superior to any other religion. … ||

That’s nice. But that has nothing to do with what I said.

By the way, I’m still waiting for your answer this question I asked you:

Do you support discrimination against:
– Jews only;
– Jews and non-Jews; or
– non-Jews only?

I don’t support discrimination against either Jews or non-Jews.

Looking forward to your reply. Thanks! :-)

eljay
August 18, 2017, 2:10 pm

|| Jack Green: eljay … ||

Jack.

|| … Not only do religious Jews feel guilty if they do certain things on the sabbath & holidays, but they feel guilty if they cause other Jews to do those things even if those other Jews don’t feel the least bit guilty about doing those things. ||

Hmmm…I can’t tell if you’re trying to say that religious Jews are:
– a bit lame for feeling unnecessary guilt;
– a bit supremacist for getting non-Jews to do what they feel Jews shouldn’t do; or
– a bit of both.

Emory Riddle
August 18, 2017, 2:09 pm

Media to call Trump presidential after smearing all of Islam?

Kaisa of Finland
August 18, 2017, 2:03 pm

Mooser:

“Kaisa” there’s your answer. It is all about sex..”

:-)

Would watching through keyhole be allowed??

Emory Riddle
August 18, 2017, 1:13 pm

Super Pac top ten donors in 2016:

1 Tom Steyer $66.3 million
2 Miriam & Sheldon Adelson $52.7 million
3 S. Donald Sussman $36.8 million
4 Fred Eychaner $33.1 million
5 Robert Mercer $21.2 million
6 Michael Bloomberg $20.1 million
7 Paul Singer $19.8 million
8 Marilyn & James Simons $18.5 million
9 George Soros $17.5 million
10 Dustin Moskovitz & Cari Tuna $17.3 million

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:53 pm

“Herzl wasn’t thinking…”

Herzl alternated his pole positions (now he’s positive, and then negative) so rapidly his name is still used as a measurement for frequency!

MHughes976
August 18, 2017, 12:50 pm

I suppose that Ms. Raicovitch thinks it contrary to the best interests of the museum for it to be associated with a celebration of dispossession and hideous killing. That would not really make it the decision of a museum professional concerned with the museum world, as Estefan and Kuoni rather tend to present it, but the decision of someone prepared to risk her career by making a political protest. I’m sorry that the New York political authorities are not prepared to grant the relevant degree of autonomy to its cultural institutions. If some such institutions wanted to put on something stridently Zionist I wouldn’t want them stopped in such a high-handed way. But we must register this as another refutation of the idea that Israel’s public and political position is seriously weakened.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:41 pm

“I am a white Zionist,” Richard Spencer said on Israeli television yesterday. JVP’s Naomi Dann writes in the Forward today: “Richard Spencer Might Be the Worst Person in America. But He’s Right About Israel.”

Whether the water is salt or fresh… so why not bob to the top with Richard Spencer? No trauma ‘long us!

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:38 pm

” We can’t divide over Israel because there are anti-Semites at the gate.”

This is bad. Somebody call that funny little guy who sits in that booth, and tell him not to open it!

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:33 pm

It’s easy for an allrightnik to become an alt-rightnik.

Paranam Kid
August 18, 2017, 12:32 pm

Liberal Zionism is a contradiction in terms, therefore incompatible, as you put it. But non-Zionism is just not good enough either: if one is not anti-Zionist one does not fight against Israel’s crimes against humanity because one tries to take a neutral stance & look the other way, and will not say so out loud, as you put it.

MHughes976
August 18, 2017, 12:24 pm

The desire to live in peace but strictly on one’s own terms is not particularly godly but may cover a rather awful mixture of disregard of rights, brutality and self-righteousness.
I do accept that it has almost always been part of Zionism to desire the existence of a noticeable non-Jewish minority in the Jewish State, at least for a long time. The exclusive rights claimed for people who are Jewish include the right, and almost a duty, to share benefits up to the limits of own needs. That’s why it is so characteristic of Zionist leaders’ remarks to include both generous and menacing elements. But whatever anyone says in mere words, as RoHa notes, the objective of creating a new and large majority with extensive control of resources means ‘population transfer’ and indeed eljay-style supremacy, the supposed necessary condition of Jewish safety.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:21 pm

“eljay”, it is, I must admit, almost a morbid fascination for me. I would give a lot to know what “Jon s” thinks he is doing. Maybe he will tell us one day.

amigo
August 18, 2017, 12:12 pm

As CNN is the only MSM I have access to here in Ireland , I have watched many hours in the last week.

During Anderson Cooper,s show , the subject of Trump,s “Pershing.s ” diatribe came up. Cooper suggested that if indeed Pershing had shot 49 “Muslims” in cold blood , that would in fact be a war crime.

Nobody brought up the subject of the Idf medic . Azaria” who shot a wounded Palestinian to death .No war crime there. I guess Zionist logic takes a nap when it suits.

Hyopcrites.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 12:09 pm

“In practice this would mean the destruction of the state of Israel and a Palestine from the river to the sea.”

Exactly, Israel cannot exist without, at the very least, complete dispossession and genocide of the Palestinians. Glad you see it so clearly.

amigo
August 18, 2017, 12:01 pm

Jon S , as they say in the construction business !!.

“It,s all about the finish”.

You remind me of the folks at Fox News.

Their slogan is , “Fair and Balanced”. Clearly that is a nice bit of propaganda to whitewash their one sided view of everything.

Btw , I asked you to name the people who wrecked BG,S eutopian plans and all you respond with is more apologetics for zionism and it,s decades old crimes.

Misterioso
August 18, 2017, 12:00 pm

Re: Sabra and Shatila massacres.

Just broadcast and well worth listening to.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/wednesday-aug-16-2017-linden-macintyre-ross-golan-bonnie-raitt-and-more-1.4248141/linden-macintyre-revisits-his-journalism-career-for-new-novel-1.4248149
 
Canada’s CBC Radio, Wednesday August 16, 2017

Linden MacIntyre revisits his journalism career for new novel

Linden MacIntyre’s novels often explore the violence and cruelty that people inflict on others and how being a victim or witness to that violence can change someone profoundly and affect the people they love.

A journalist for 38 years, working at CBC Radio’s Sunday Morning and CBC TV’s flagship current affairs shows The Journal and the fifth estate before retiring in 2014, MacIntyre’s latest book, The Only Café, revolves around an incident he covered for the CBC — the massacre of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon in September 1982. It tells the story of a son who tries to solve the mystery of the death of his father, a Lebanese refugee and successful lawyer.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 11:59 am

“Not only do religious Jews feel guilty if they do certain things on the sabbath & holidays, but they feel guilty if they cause other Jews to do those things even if those other Jews don’t feel the least bit guilty about doing those things.”

“Kaisa” there’s your answer. It is all about sex.

Donald Johnson
August 18, 2017, 11:58 am

He thinks Palestinians should fight for their rights and avoid antisemitism by using some fair method for selecting a target for boycotting. For instance, they could put a world map on the wall, blindfold themselves, and throw darts at it. If the first country struck was Papua New Guinea, and they dutifully launched a boycott against it, that would demonstrate their lack of antisemitic intent.

MHughes976
August 18, 2017, 11:49 am

Playing defence means that we attempt to raise objections to something that is being done and immediately find ourselves accepting the right of the other side to accuse and sit in judgement on us, a certainly losing proposition. I think we have to begin ignoring, rather than responding to, accusations of prejudice when supported by no evidence except for the very fact that we make the objections concerned and call for a response to the questions we have raised.

JosephA
August 18, 2017, 11:45 am

Yay! Fat bastard the racist has returned to grace us with his intelligence.

Jack Green
August 18, 2017, 11:44 am

eljay

Even if “Jewish is a religion-based identity,” that doesn’t mean that Israel considers Jewish superior to any other religion. Herzl wasn’t thinking “Jews are superior so they need their own state.” He was thinking “Jews are being murdered so they need their own state.”

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 11:36 am

And “jon s” shows us how admiration for Zionism is a lot like admiring the Old South. Why look at what they did, when you can look at their idealized (and premature) picture of themselves?

And BTW, it just makes Zionism’s hypocrisy all the starker.

Emory Riddle
August 18, 2017, 11:35 am

Not unusual. The phenomena has a name, of course. Cognitive dissonance.

Mooser
August 18, 2017, 11:30 am

“Actually, Israel is being singled out by bigots, such as yourself.”

Well, not exactly. Jews can be singled out by bigots, but countries are singled out by critics and adversaries.
Did you think Israel is some kind of exception to this? It’s not.