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October 23, 2016, 9:08 pm

for the perplexed a long detailed reply to Draitser by Stephen Gowan author of the soon to be released “America’s Long War on Syria’

i would recommend it

link to off-guardian.org

a blah chick
October 23, 2016, 8:28 pm

“I almost can’t imagine what he’s talking about here and in the other quotes, and it’s not just the horribly tortured grammar.”

I know, I was confused too. And what was all that “I didn’t want to mispronounce her name” crap? Does he really think we’re all too stupid to see though him?

Phillip Crawford
October 23, 2016, 6:37 pm

Although the Unite for Palestine letter was signed by several people for whom I have great respect and who had very good intentions, I fear the letter will cause more of the very division it was meant to reduce.
The letter refers to seven different people who, over a span of about six years, were subjected to accusations or recriminations based on perceived antisemitism. This is hardly an indication of an epidemic of divisive attacks. Furthermore, as others have noted, each of these incidents has its own particular circumstances which need to be analyzed separately. In some cases, the criticism may have been justified and, in other cases, unjustified. The letter lumps them all together as manifestations of the same phenomenon. Finally, the letter strongly implies that that the criticisms of all seven people were unfair. The letter takes the side of those who were accused against the accusers. This furthers division.
I’d like to share with readers the effect the controversy over Alison Weir has had on Palestine solidarity activism in the community where I live, Monterey County in California.
Last year, a number of local activists affiliated with WILPF decided that Ms. Weir’s expulsion from the U.S. Campaign was unjustified. An appropriate approach to addressing the controversy would have been for local Palestine solidarity activists to get together for a discussion and then reach an agreement on how we should respond to the controversy. This did not happen. Instead, Weir’s ardent supporters decided that she had been subjected to a McCarthy-style witch hunt. They then embarked on a witch hunt of their own against those in our community whom they considered insufficiently supportive of Weir, employing the same kind of McCarthy-style tactics they accused JVP and the U.S. Campaign of employing against Weir.
The community’s most prominent and effective of Palestinian rights was subjected to a campaign of gossip, slander and character assassination simply because he was insufficiently enthusiastic about taking Weir’s side in the controversy. Bizarre allegations were made behind his back, sometimes attributed to unnamed second and third parties. After months of bitter infighting and backstabbing, he resigned from the board of the local peace center. Since he was the center’s most effective fundraiser, the peace center’s financial state deteriorated and it eventually laid off its staff person. Eventually, the local Palestine solidarity committee collapsed.
In the meantime, Weir’s local supporters have continued to promulgate the idea that Weir was the victim of not only Jewish control of U.S. foreign policy, but nefarious Jewish influence over the Palestine solidarity movement in the US. They are promoting a blatantly offensive anti-Jewish conspiracy theory. While these activists have done absolutely nothing to promote the BDS campaign in the past year, they did find time to organize a speaking appearance for Weir, hawked her recent book (the only book on Palestine in which they seem to be interested), and endlessly promoted her website (while never promoting the website of the BDS movement or the U.S. Campaign). The message being promoted to the community appears to be that the most urgent threat to Palestinian freedom is the alleged mistreatment of Ms. Weir by JVP and the country’s leading Palestine solidarity organization, the U.S. Campaign. Now these same activists are promoting the letter calling for an end to divisive attacks. However, they are using the letter not to further to cause of unity, but as ammunition in their war against those who don’t endorse their conspiracy theory.
Weir’s supporters in my community have cited articles by Jack Dresser and Harry Clark that were posted on the Counterpunch website. These articles included slanderous and divisive attacks on Jewish Voice for Peace and the U.S. Campaign. The attacks are based on wild speculation about the alleged nefarious motivations of the leadership of these organizations, among which is (presumably) a desire to prioritize Jewish preoccupations.
One of the most bizarre charges made by Ms. Weir’s ardent defenders focuses on the failure of JVP and the U.S. Campaign to include Zionism in their anti-racist principles. Perhaps they haven’t noticed that the website of the Palestinian BDS National Committee also fails to mention Zionism, stating: “BDS is an inclusive, anti-racist human rights movement that is opposed on principle to all forms of discrimination, including anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.” Should we conclude from this that the BNC has also decided to “prioritize Jewish preoccupations?”
The Unite for Palestine letter calls upon activists to cease divisive attacks against other solidarity activists. In my community, the only people launching divisive attacks are the fanatical followers of Alison Weir.

Phillip Crawford
October 23, 2016, 6:12 pm

The website of the BDS movement (bdsmovement.net) is maintained by the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC), the coalition of Palestinian organisations that leads and supports the BDS movement and by the Palestinian Campaign for Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), a BNC member organisation. The website states: “BDS is an inclusive, anti-racist human rights movement that is opposed on principle to all forms of discrimination, including anti-semitism and Islamophobia.” So, the Palestinian leadership of the BDS movement also fails to mention Zionism in its anti-racist principles. Should we subject them to the same criticism to which you subject JVP?

October 23, 2016, 6:11 pm

Israel wanted the rise of Hamas simply to split the Palestinians. How many Palestinians would or could resist the ruthless occupation forces. When France was occupied in the second WW Professor Norman Finkelstein thought only about 10% of the French population resisted, the rest just wanted to get on and make the best of a bad situation. link to youtube.com In the last Palestinian elections Hamas won and the result was quickly overturned by the US/Israel with the connivance of Abbas who shows every indication of wanting to be the leader until he dies of old age.

a blah chick
October 23, 2016, 5:57 pm

It sounds like Marcus is being really mealy mouthed here; he wants to call out BDS as anti semitic but does not want to explicitly go on record as saying that. Probably because he knows this accusation won’t hold up under scrutiny.

This seems to be happening more lately with a lot of big shot Zionists. They would rather run away or silence their critics rather than argue in the marketplace of ideas. It’s much harder today to defend Jewish privilege, especially when you have to use the language of white supremacy.

John Douglas
October 23, 2016, 4:48 pm

Marcus: “For all I know she is a very lovely person. She happens to be the president of an organization that has taken positions because of which I thought that having her in the same conversation would posture the issue differently than I felt comfortable with.”

I almost can’t imagine what he’s talking about here and in the other quotes, and it’s not just the horribly tortured grammar.

Maybe he’s saying: “I won’t talk about whether anti-Semitism is bad or good, Khalidi thinks BDS is good, BDS is anti-Semitic so Khalidi thinks anti-Semitism is good so I won’t talk while she is in the room?” There are more than several reasons why that’s pretty stupid.

And what’s all this about smells? At first I thought he was claiming that Khalidi said that. But he seems not to be claiming that.

Maybe it’s just that he knows that he’ll get his backside whupped if he debates an intelligent woman supporting Palestinians and the BDS because they are in the right so he utters nonsensical gibberish as a way to escape. Poor man should find a different occupation.

October 23, 2016, 4:02 pm


Thanks for the treat. Witchcraft indeed, though without magic. Propaganda at its nakedest.

October 23, 2016, 3:38 pm

Just as a general observation, nepotism is not evidence of excellence. Not ever. Not nowhere.

Goldberg seems to assert that it is. That alone should disqualify him for consideration as a managing editor position.

Great rebuttal PW.

David Gerald Fincham
October 23, 2016, 3:35 pm

Further reply to echinococcus:

I was sorting out some books this afternoon, and came across Procession by John Gunther, the American journalist and writer from the 1930s to the 1960s. He is well known for his books Inside USA, Inside Europe and so on: he traveled widely and met many politicians. In the book I came across a chapter on Chaim Weizmann, a Russian Jew who was by profession a scientist in Manchester University, England, a leading Zionist who was president of the World Zionist Organisation and later the first President of Israel. The Chapter on Weizmann is based on a personal relationship with Gunther, who describes him as “the finest person I have ever known in public life”.

The chapter ends thus: Palestine became free in 1948 and entered the the UN as the Republic of Israel on May 11, 1949..


October 23, 2016, 3:29 pm


The people who actually drop bombs on cities and torture or murder prisoners are not victims.

That statement doesn’t make a lot of sense. Or even a little.
Sounds like “the mouse I squashed wasn’t a victim: it had swallowed a gnat.”
We’re not all cast in a single role forever, you know.

October 23, 2016, 3:23 pm

Well said rosross.

October 23, 2016, 2:53 pm

Hey again Keith/Gamal:

GAMAL- “…you have all the arrogance of a conqueror now posing as a humanitarian.”

Bravo! You sum it up nicely. Donald is attempting to misrepresent the reality that he is essentially lending support to “liberal” interventionism. He can’t deny the reality on the ground so he attempts to mitigate it through spurious accusations against official enemies. Psychologically, he simply can’t deal with the reality that “liberals” are liars and mass murderers.

Yup. From Chris Hedges’ Death Of The Liberal Class (imo, a major definitive statement):

[Michael] Ignatieff, defending the [2003 Iraq] invasion… laid out the classic arguments of the liberal class. He insisted the war was a humanitarian action, that he supported the war with a heavy heart, but that there was no other option. This humanitarian and moral coloring to war, the insistence that the motives of the war-makers [are] virtuous, is the primary function of the liberal class, the reason the power elite tolerates its existence… The liberal class played the same function during the war in Vietnam. War becomes a necessary evil… Ignatieff’s assertion at the time that “the only real chance that Iraq has to become a decent society is through American force of arms” is… little different from the cruder propaganda disseminated by the Bush White House. He and the liberal class joined the Bush administration…

And, as quoted in Hedges’ same book, the great Tony Judt states, “Today, America’s liberal armchair warriors are the ‘useful idiots’ of the War on Terror.”

Or, we can just listen to Ochs:

Donald Johnson
October 23, 2016, 2:44 pm

Sorry to disappoint again, but I read the Kinzer piece, I’ve read Beeley, I’ve read Max B ( who gets it from both sides)’ I’ve read moonofalabama, I read consortiumnews,I listened to the recent interview with the Assad’s wife and Ehsani’s pieces at Josh Landis’s site and another interesting article there about the Druze mobilizing against the rebels and you guys just can’t stand the fact that I agree with much of what you say, so it has to be that I am pro liberal interventionist or whatever other horrible thing you can dream up.

And Keith, you did it again. The Syrian people and the people actually responsible for the bombing of urban areas and the torturing of prisoners and whatever massacres have been conducted by the government side are not the same people. It’s quite possible the majority of Syrians prefer Assad–I would take him over the jihadis myself. The natural tendency of all humans in that situation would be to pick the lesser evil. We all do it. It doesn’ t mean that there aren’t war crimes being committed by Assad’s forces. This goes back to Assad senior, and yeah, a long time ago I read Seale’s biography of him. He fought against the extremists of his day. But Seale agreed his security forces were ruthless and practiced torture and leveled Hama. The people who actually drop bombs on cities and torture or murder prisoners are not victims.

October 23, 2016, 2:24 pm

also Keith whatever the composition of the anti-government forces elsewhere Aleppo will have the highest proportion of Syrians i would guess and they will be the hardest of the hardcore, one of their number is one of the main ideologues the ultra-extreme Salafists, they nurse an intense desire for revenge for homs and hama and for 40 years the Aleppine ikhwan have been funded by fanatical Wahhabi Saudi groups whose outlook they have adopted.

they will fight to the last man and espouse unbridled violence.

October 23, 2016, 2:12 pm

“just listened to Trump’s policy speech in Gettysburg and watch out Zionist Lobby; Trump’s gunning for foreign interlopers and foreign influence on government and policy”.

From this side of the pond in the UK it looks at times as if the majority of Americans,certainly including Zionist and non Zionist Jews as well as “Christian Evangelical Zionists” simply do not see JSIL as a foreign state with JSILi “foreign interlopers” influencing US Government policy. Witness the Yahoo`s appearances before Congress and the vomit inducing sycophancy from this particular little cabal from the Land of the Free.

I expect it has been said many times before but it is almost as if JSIL is America`s 51st State and especially when it comes to election time it`s “votes” have to be courted. In fact I am surprised that some leading loony right wing “bright sparks” havn`t suggested that it be given State Status ( sorry about the double stat`s). with JSILis ( excluding of course the 20% Arab population ) being given the vote.

And guess what a Labour MP in the UK ( as in the ” institutionalised Anti – Semitic Labour Party ” and all that Zionist b…ocks ) recently got into boiling hot Zionist water for suggesting this . She actually said this in 2014. It was only unearthed in 2016 by Zionist researchers and clinically used as part of the anti Corbyn campaign waged by Israeli firsters here in the UK and obviously by the Conservatives and disgracefully by anti – Corbyn members of the Labour Party itself.
The greatest tragedy in it all was that the MP apologised and withdrew her remarks when she was accused of “Anti Semitism” and Corbyn did not defend her. Wimps.

Waiting impatiently for a leading UK politician with a backbone to stand up to the Zionist Lobby here in the UK and state baldly that there is no repeat no remotely ” major ” or “growing ” or “institutionalised” problem with Anti Semitism in the UK population , in the mainstream political parties or in Government agencies and to suggest that there is grossly insulting to the UK population,its history and its traditions.. The only major problem ( a problem for JSILI Firsters and the Various Jewish Zionist groups who are barefacedly trying to conflate criticism of JSIL/Zionism with Anti Semitism) is that there is a growing revulsion amongst the UK population against the oppression and barbarities being visited on the Palestinians by JSILis particularly amongst the young who are more politically aware and active.

October 23, 2016, 1:59 pm


as an side couple of things the US force descending on Mosul are accompanied by, i am going phonetic, asab’lhaq a militia that emerged in the US destroyed Iraq they are led by one kais khazali he has just given a speech, cleared by his US handlers i guess saying i para: the people of Mosul are the children of Yezid and we will avenge Hussein in Mosul” Donald may know what thats all about its all greek to me.

i guess you know Eva Bartlett, pretty little Canadian girl, excellent Arabic

link to theeventchronicle.com

and Vanessa Beeley I guess she is from a diplomatic family i am sure is an Arabic speaker her father advised Bevin on Arabs, its all at the link,

link to alternativeview.co.uk

Donald I can’t talk to you about any of this because you don’t know enough, i am not interested in your body counts or taking the other Arab side on, all the Arab media is anti-assad pretty much, i could give you links to scores of Arabic sites denouncing him in blood curdling imprecations, now you want to foment trouble between me and the Arabs of the “other side”, bit petulant don’t you think coming as it does from the protector of the Arab child.

you have brought nothing but bad faith and weird ideas to this, if Assad kills children no one is attacking Syria and if they are you don’t support it ok, so 100,000 Syrians soldiers died killing children, the Marines just call in an airstrike, camp bucca (where Isis were trained) for them.

did you know the Syrian civil defense was formed in 1959 and is associated with the worldwide organization of such, they don’t wear white hats or behead 12 year old sick Palestinian kids,

afala taqilun is sound quranic advise

October 23, 2016, 1:25 pm

After Trump loses, and it’s looking that way, he needs to make an explosive concession speech now that he’s been on the inside and knows who’s really got the reins of power. Sure he should go through the fake motions of congratulating his opponent, but then he should expose everything. What does he have to lose? It’s the only way. You can’t build something better without demolishing the rotted structure first. This is not a reno project. This is a demolition to rebuild and it’s right in line with his business. Now that he was on the inside, he knows who and what brought about the rotten corruption that exists inside and he should expose it all before tearing it up from the rafters down. He knows the power that Zionists together with their Neolib and Neocon counterparts wield, and he should expose it. If he doesn’t do this; he’s done all this for nothing. I doubt he’s that honest; and suspect power means more to him than exposing the truth.

Now apparently, if he loses, he’s going to launch his own network and it would be a monumental mistake if he hires that Zionist gatekeeper, Ailes, to help him run it. One thing’s for sure: Bannon will be involved. If Trump gets in bed with Zionists and Neocons; he’ll wake up with flees and much worse.

We’ll see who he really is. My guess is he’s after power any which way, so now he’s going to try the Citizen Kane media mogul route to get it, and maybe if he solidifies the rotten system instead of bringing it all down, he’ll end up just like Kane; a broken, bankrupt, disillusioned man. We’ll see.

October 23, 2016, 1:14 pm

Here’s something to mumble on. Atlantic hires as a bigwig a sort of self-appointed “chief-media-Jew” and then hides the fact that he is Jewish, strongly Zionist, has a history in Israel, etc. At the same time, Clinton campaign says: we’re gonna tell the big Zionist donors how much we love Israel but we’ll keep talk of Israel out of our daily speechifying.

This means — taken together and assumed a harbinger of new times — that Israel is poisonous to the public — or so judged by the (liberal) media and the (Dem) pols.

And notice that, as well, most MSM have said little recently about global warming climate change and nothing was asked by media-reps in the so-called presidential debates. As if talk of GWCC was also poisonous to the public.

My take is that the powers-behind-the-thrones (oligarchs, big-money-folks) want to keep their desires and the fact of their machinations secret from the people and are fairly successful at doing so. Mentioning Israel brings on moral outrage in far too many folks (too many to suit those oligarchs who actively support Israel), so don’t mention it (and certainly don’t mention it honestly — see NYT generally and for a long time). Prefer inaction over stressful urgent action on GWCC? In that case, make sure people are not talking about GWCC.

October 23, 2016, 1:01 pm

Hey Keith…

I was specifically referring to “misreprented…”

Ha! I didn’t misinterpret or misrepresent your post. I simply misread it :) That’s embarrassing and I’m usually better than that. Sorry…

However, and kind of oddly/coincidentally, my point would’ve been essentially the same had you written “misinterpret” instead of “misrepresent.” Apologies upfront, as I’m gonna come at you w/ a weird, slightly convoluted explanation. Theoretically, the “misrepresentation” of a soundbite (as in, say, Miko or Salaita’s…) is the result of an initial “misinterpretation” of the meaning or intent of the soundbite. Right? Well, not really. In my opinion, many of these instances of “misrepresentation” as relates to statements/positions on Palestine, are entirely willful. Meaning there’s no actual initial “misinterpretation.” These misrepresentations are entirely intended and desired. And they can be created from statements that are seen as easy to manipulate, or from statements that are clear as crystal. Square peg, round hole? No problem. So the self-censoring/walking on egg shells approach to communication on this issue is mainly useless because, essentially no matter what, these folks (ie: Israel apologists, more aggressive Zionists, neocon cheerleaders, etc.) are gonna force their willfully intended “misrepresentative misinterpretations” onto the public no matter what we say or write.

In a way, there’s nothing much that can be done about this phenomenon of intentionally mangling your opponent’s message to further one’s own agenda. It comes with the dinner in our case; and in many other social justice/political arenas. We just have to keep calling out the B.S. And maybe steer clear of Twitter altogether. Twitter, imo, is 24/7/52 bullcrap. Say what you want – It’s short attention span trash. And designed to be so. Speed kills.

Good times…

October 23, 2016, 12:15 pm

DONALD JOHNSON- “Sorry to disappoint, but I also think you can’t bomb urban areas and torture people and claim to be a victim.”

So, heavily armed Islamist mercenaries of empire seize urban areas in order to conquer or destabilize Syria, but if the Syrian government bombs these terrorist invaders, then the Syrian people cannot claim to be victims? All of this based upon your understanding derived from the “Western media?”

This all started with you linking a Ramzy Baroud article in which he referenced a Stephen Kinzer article which he linked to. link to bostonglobe.com Nowhere did Ramzy Baroud question the essential facts of the Kinzer article. Did you read it? Permit me a long quote:

“COVERAGE OF the Syrian war will be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the American press. Reporting about carnage in the ancient city of Aleppo is the latest reason why.

For three years, violent militants have run Aleppo. Their rule began with a wave of repression. They posted notices warning residents: “Don’t send your children to school. If you do, we will get the backpack and you will get the coffin.” Then they destroyed factories, hoping that unemployed workers would have no recourse other than to become fighters. They trucked looted machinery to Turkey and sold it.

This month, people in Aleppo have finally seen glimmers of hope. The Syrian army and its allies have been pushing militants out of the city. Last week they reclaimed the main power plant. Regular electricity may soon be restored. The militants’ hold on the city could be ending.

Militants, true to form, are wreaking havoc as they are pushed out of the city by Russian and Syrian Army forces. “Turkish-Saudi backed ‘moderate rebels’ showered the residential neighborhoods of Aleppo with unguided rockets and gas jars,” one Aleppo resident wrote on social media. The Beirut-based analyst Marwa Osma asked, “The Syrian Arab Army, which is led by President Bashar Assad, is the only force on the ground, along with their allies, who are fighting ISIS — so you want to weaken the only system that is fighting ISIS?” (Stephen Kinzer)

The problem, Donald, is not a “If you aren’t with us you are against us” attitude on the part of “us guys.” The problem is your continued misrepresentation of reality in an attempt to portray a false equivalency between the Syrian military and the imperial Islamist mercenaries. This tends to mitigate the crimes of empire. You also misrepresent what your fellow commenters are saying, ignoring the facts presented while trying to make us seem narrow minded. You are what you are and seem incapable of change.

Donald Johnson
October 23, 2016, 12:07 pm

Summarizing, gamal’s position appears to be that virtually all the killing of civilians is done by the rebels and Keith thinks that I am psychologicalky incapable of understanding that liberal interventionists are mass murderers and since I am not with Keith, I am really in support of the rebels.

On point 1, I don’t believe it. It goes against the evidence and common sense. The opposite view, which purports that the rebels killed 100,000 armed supporters of the Syrian government and almost no civilians is also extremely hard to believe. But go ahead and ignore that I said that. You always will. And go ahead and label Arabs on the other side as native informers.

On point 2, Keith trots out a commonplace lefty observation like it’s some deep truth lesser mortals can’t grasp. Sorry, Keith, but it’s obvious. I have noticed, for instance, that the liberal pundit interventionists on Syria have not written a word about the US supported Saudi atrocities in Yemen, where they bomb hospitals and schools and funerals and have created a famine where children die. Of course liberal interventionists are hypocrites. One doesn’t need some giant IQ or your amazing ability to see what is invisible to lesser beings what is plain to anyone. And no, I don’t support the rebels.

It must be nice to live in a mental universe where everyone has to fall into one of two categories on any given issue. What do you do with people who don’t fit? Why, force them to fit.

October 23, 2016, 12:03 pm


I agree with you. Here’s just one of many reasons why I don’t trust Trump: he uses Wikileaks only when it’s convenient for him as an instrument to expose Clinton’s corruption, but earlier stated that Snowden is a traitor who should be executed, instead of an individual who should be honored because he risked everything to demonstrate how the government rigs Constitutional rights by spying on Americans and threatening free speech. So you can bet that if Trump were in power, he’d condemn Wikileaks as an espionage organization and avail himself of all tools of fascist control.

But if Hillary wins the election we should be discussing how the Left became the Right virulently defending her, and how this trend is directly related to pervasive Zio-neo corruption in politics and the media. We have only to look to Israel where the Left is practically extinct to know who’s pulling the strings and setting the standard in the U.S..

Sure Trump is disgusting and can’t be trusted, but the good thing about his candidacy is that he’s bringing to the surface that there’s something rotten in Washington and that the media is part of that rot and so is Hillary of course.

The U.S. system is indeed rigged and it has a lot to do with securing Zio-neo power. But what boggles the mind is that Americans on the whole just don’t care since they have allowed all this Zio-neo corruption to infect both sides and refuse to go in another direction or give a third party with clean hands a chance. So I say whatever fate awaits Americans, and it won’t be good, is well-deserved.

David Gerald Fincham
October 23, 2016, 11:46 am

Reply to echinococcus October 22, 2016, 2:19 pm

Most people in the world (including our friend talknic – see our discussion on this page and my previous article “Understanding the Partition Plan”) think that the unilateral Declaration of the State of Israel was justified by the UN partition plan. That is because they have never actually read the plan carefully, and because they have unthinkingly absorbed the propaganda element in the actual Declaration which claims such justification with the use of 14 lies [ link to religion-science-peace.org ].

If the world knew that there was no legal basis whatsoever for the creation of an independent Jewish state in Palestine, it could add to pressure on Israel to come to a more just agreement with the Palestinians than the miserable 22% of their homeland that the PLO seems willing to accept.

October 23, 2016, 10:56 am

You should have stuck with the point on diction, RoHa: yes, let’s not confuse argument with its supporting evidence in English.

But then, what’s receivable evidence in this case? The remark from the high-flying philosopher to the pedestrian statistician must needs strike a jarring note here. It will depend on the total population, the relative strength of the resident-Jewish population, the facts that allow lower and upper estimates of the relative strengths of Zionism sympathizers, opponents or neutrals within said fraction of the population, etc. etc. So the receivability of any anecdotal evidence will depend on some abstruse calculations with extremely iffy input.
Won’t continue the already off-topic excursion; you see the problem.

jon s
October 23, 2016, 10:34 am

Who are the” 2% invisible commanding majority” that you refer to?

October 23, 2016, 10:03 am


Thank you for your work: what your painstaking lie-picking makes most obvious, even before debunking the big hoax of partition and “independence” itself, is that Zionists constantly operate on a basis of incredibly many intentional lies crammed into every word and presented as common-or-garden daily, established truth. From their founding documents to the Yahoo’s statements.

Not only is there “no legal basis whatsoever for the creation of an independent Jewish state in Palestine”, as you rightly say; the partition recommendation itself, as a GA recommendation, does not and cannot in any way relieve the British of their mandatory obligation to consult the colonized populations in a credible way –their own declarations of intent are worthless. Priming the mandate area with armed thugs of the Empire’s own making and creating a power void by suddenly getting out is not listed in the LoN mandate document, nor is it part of any definition of a mandate administration.

Behind the dense, mephitic cloud of lies is nothing but barenaked colonial aggression of a new type by the colonial empires while in the very act of pretending to decolonize. They cannot even, as you say, credibly pretend that their recommendation or wishes replace the UN Charter.

As you say, “if the world knew”.

The world has no chance of knowing anything as long as the people and organizations set up to support Palestinians, because their members are indignant about the more egregious aspects of Zionism, continue to believe and spread the Zionists’ own foundational myths.

Before getting to inform the world, one has to break the pigheaded opposition by the very organizations set up to support Palestinian resistance. Not for nothing are these mostly under the influence or management of either the PLO or of people who consider the Zionists as family members instead of mortal enemies. No wonder the world doesn’t know better.

Donald Johnson
October 23, 2016, 9:47 am

You guys always do this– if I am not 100 percent in your corner I must be in the opposite corner. If you aren’t with us you are against us. It’s convenient but silly.

I couldn’t be plainer. The rebels should not be supported and I agree that there is a foreign goal to either install a pliant government or destroy Syria. Sorry to disappoint, but I also think you can’t bomb urban areas and torture people and claim to be a victim. There are war criminals on both sides and it is normal for people involved to become polarized.

Cockburn wrote an interesting piece

link to independent.co.uk

David Gerald Fincham
October 23, 2016, 7:49 am

Reply to echinococcus October 22, 2016, 2:19 pm

Most people in the world (including our friend talknic – see our discussion on this page and my previous article “Understanding the Partition Plan”) think that the unilateral Declaration of the State of Israel was justified by the UN partition plan. That is because they have never actually read the plan carefully, and because they have unthinkingly absorbed the propaganda element in the actual Declaration which claims such justification with the use of 14 lies [ link to religion-science-peace.org ].

If the world knew that there was no legal basis whatsoever for the creation of an independent Jewish state in Palestine, it could add to pressure on Israel to come to a more just agreement with the Palestinians than the miserable 22% of their homeland that the PLO seems willing to accept.

October 23, 2016, 5:14 am

Why, John S, I should have figured it out that anything unspecified must be relative to the 2% invisible commanding majority.

jon s
October 23, 2016, 4:38 am

The teams in the settlements are a clear violation of FIFA rules, and the IFA should disband them (not likely , given the present government) or pay a significant price.

jon s
October 23, 2016, 4:34 am

It was the Jewish New Year. And now it’s the holiday of Sukkot, leading to the celebration of Simhat Torah , which begins this evening.

October 23, 2016, 3:39 am

“just listened to Trump’s policy speech in Gettysburg and watch out Zionist Lobby; Trump’s gunning for foreign interlopers and foreign influence on government and policy”.

Thanks for providing the only reason for me to hate him a little less that clinton, but they are both horrible, horrible choices. Here’s the choice (between trump and hrc) how do you want to go – burned at the stake or beheaded? How about both?

October 23, 2016, 1:18 am

Human nature is prone to flaws and weaknesses, and sloppy diction is not the least of these. We all succumb at some time or another, in spite of our best efforts.

But I was making a logical point, not a linguistic one.

October 23, 2016, 1:08 am

GAMAL- “…you have all the arrogance of a conqueror now posing as a humanitarian.”

Bravo! You sum it up nicely. Donald is attempting to misrepresent the reality that he is essentially lending support to “liberal” interventionism. He can’t deny the reality on the ground so he attempts to mitigate it through spurious accusations against official enemies. Psychologically, he simply can’t deal with the reality that “liberals” are liars and mass murderers.

Jeff in Brooklyn
October 23, 2016, 12:33 am


I’m very impressed with your articulate and rational rebuttal. It’s good that you didn’t merely just resort to hysteric bungling accusations.

Anyway, the impression I’m getting – from your obsession with Jews and your intimate knowledge of Jewish culture – is that maybe you are actually Jewish yourself. Maybe you are ashamed of it?
Perhaps a self-hating Jew?

October 23, 2016, 12:23 am

Good point pabelmont. Climate change was a barely audible aside from the Clintonite direction, while the Clinton kryptonite Trump, seemed not to have heard the expression, much less repeat it.

Even if there is no hot war, things are likely to get pretty hot, alright!the sad thing is that jill Stein’s poll percentage – now hovering somewhere just upward of 3%, probably reflects the total number of people who care about climate change. That is, care enough…..(yes, i know many of sanders’ supporters did, but he was expelled from the table of the powerful, along with his basement dwellers. leaving – what? the deplorables and deplorable-in-kinds?

October 23, 2016, 12:01 am

Many groups are nepotistic and Jews are not the only religion to be so. Catholics and Protestants were once this way, but they have evolved. Jains, Hindus and Muslims are inclined to stick together, so it is a matter of the culture of the religion as to how common it remains in these more enlightened times.

The Catholics and Protestants have managed to move on, so no doubt the other less evolved religions will also do so eventually.

Nepotism of any kind is a sign that the culture is less enlightened because nepotism is always sourced in fear and often ignorance.

October 22, 2016, 11:57 pm

Phil – you accused Jeffrey Goldberg of being “shrewed”! That’s like so anti-semitic! almost merchant of venice like…., don’t you know that? what next? you’ll accuse some jewish person somewhere of being “smart”? imagine the fanfare…. the howls of disapproval… the opprobrium….

Off to re-education camp with you – and your ilk too, many of whom are present in this comment thread. as long as I can pop in (to the camp) now and then, that is… I heard the wine is first class…..

October 22, 2016, 11:47 pm

Tokyobk, I second Mooser’s request for the calling cards of the august members of that tight community of sharers. You didn’t mean anyone on wall Street, right? because that couldn’t be – they don’t do sharing so well, last I heard….besides, I didn’t get anything for example after they collapsed the economy in 2008. So if you could help direct some my way, i would definitely appreciate it. hey, I AM a member of the tribe, too, so I need to get some precious.

October 22, 2016, 11:41 pm

Yonah sees “problematic”. I see his post as emblematic. To a certain class of people (and I don’t mean jews necessarily) who are bigoted against ghosts, which they see everywhere.

Elizabeth Block
October 22, 2016, 10:56 pm

I find it interesting that Clinton’s advisors think she should shut up about Israel except when dealing with people she knows to be Zionists. That means they think the public at large has lost its previous knee-jerk support for Israel, including the Jewish public at large. That’s got to be a good thing.

October 22, 2016, 10:24 pm

If we are to deem religious affiliation to be ethnicity, then all religions confer ethnicity and if we are to dictate that only members may comment on their own religion and religious ethnicity then it means only Christians can talk about Christians; only Jews can talk about Jews; only Muslims can talk about Muslims etc. etc. etc, ad infinitum, and that is a total betrayal of the modern democratic world, where equality as citizens over-rides other affiliations, including religion, and where, for the sake of social unity and harmony, all citizens have a right to freedom of speech and can form and voice opinions on anything, including religious belief and behaviour.

If we were to subscribe to such a limited version of ‘freedom to think and speak’ then we are in essence saying that no-one may voice a comment unless he or she is a member of the ‘group’ which is being discussed.

In other words, male doctors cannot form opinions about women and therefore cannot treat females, and vice-versa. Male teachers cannot form opinions about female students and therefore cannot teach females, and vice-versa. Male politicians can only form and voice opinions about males and females about females, etc. etc. etc. Madness in essence and a denial of human rights.

In a civilized society we are all equal and our religion, gender, race, culture is secondary to that citizenship. That ‘recipe’ has been the source of the success of the developed world and we reject it at our peril.

October 22, 2016, 10:07 pm

Which is why sites like MondoWeiss are so important. As long as Zionist Israel claims to speak for Judaism and all Jews, it is critical for Jews of integrity, conscience and common sense, to counter those claims and to stand up and speak out against it. This is happening more and more but for the moment, I suspect, most people in the world still hold the view that whatever Israel is and does represents all Jews and Judaism.

October 22, 2016, 9:52 pm

Pivoting, eh, the self-hating blasphemous infidel-with-Jewish-parents, who is too ashamed to call himself Jewish! Won’t even mention it on his résumé, eh?
So, when does the name change come? Something trendy and Old-English.
Then he’ll marry in church.
Oy, the Schande!

October 22, 2016, 9:36 pm

“BTW, is every Syrian or Palestinian who criticizes Assad and thinks he is a war criminal a deluded servant of the empire.?”

native guides by definition take you where you want to go, many Arabs are asking how whiskey drinking sexually liberated democrats metamorphosed overnight into Al-Quaida (bell pottinger produces their propaganda) supporters after the Syrian government shot at them, we are sceptical, but we are not the Arabs you are looking for.

follow the link to the GCC Monitoring Group report.

So you are saying that the Syrian Arab Army has no sovereign right to mount military operations in its own territory in defence of the state and that Syria is just a morass of murdering savages, and children that the regime and everyone else is killing, all indistinguishable from each other, merely united by their savagery, oh ok that sounds like Arabs.

you are going to lecture me about Arabs, oh ok, I am fluent and i know the whole Quran by heart, Daddy was insistent, before i was 14, but i will defer to you on Arabs and the Syria about which you know nothing, you have all the arrogance of a conqueror now posing as a humanitarian.

Syria has the right to defend itself.

Exposed the Arab Agenda in Syria

Pepe Escobar

What is happening in Syria is a NATO-led regime change plot. It is not a popular uprising, as the West and its Gulf allies would like the world to believe. Syria is battling heavily armed foreign mercenaries.

Here’s a crash course on the “democratic” machinations of the Arab League – rather the GCC League, as real power in this pan-Arab organization is wielded by two of the six Persian Gulf monarchies composing the Gulf Cooperation Council, also known as Gulf Counter-revolution Club; Qatar and the House of Saud.

Essentially, the GCC created an Arab League group to monitor what’s going on in Syria. The Syrian National Council – based in North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member countries Turkey and France – enthusiastically supported it. It’s telling that Syria’s neighbour Lebanon did not.

When the over 160 monitors, after one month of enquiries, issued their report … surprise! The report did not follow the official GCC line – which is that the “evil” Bashar al-Assad government is indiscriminately, and unilaterally, killing its own people, and so regime change is in order.

The Arab League’s Ministerial Committee had approved the report, with four votes in favour (Algeria, Egypt, Sudan and GCC member Oman) and only one against; guess who, Qatar – which is now presiding the Arab League because the emirate bought their (rotating) turn from the Palestinian Authority.

So the report was either ignored (by Western corporate media) or mercilessly destroyed – by Arab media, virtually all of it financed by either the House of Saud or Qatar. It was not even discussed – because it was prevented by the GCC from being translated from Arabic into English and published in the Arab League’s website.

Until it was leaked. Here it is, in full.

The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines.

Once again, the official NATO-GCC version of Syria is of a popular uprising smashed by bullets and tanks. Instead, BRICS members Russia and China, and large swathes of the developing world see it as the Syrian government fighting heavily armed foreign mercenaries. The report largely confirms these suspicions.

The Syrian National Council is essentially a Muslim Brotherhood outfit affiliated with both the House of Saud and Qatar – with an uneasy Israel quietly supporting it in the background. Legitimacy is not exactly its cup of green tea. As for the Free Syrian Army, it does have its defectors, and well-meaning opponents of the Assad
regime, but most of all is infested with these foreign mercenaries weaponized by the GCC, especially Salafist gangs.

link to pambazuka.org

October 22, 2016, 9:06 pm

Given the minority followers of Judaism are in the US in comparison to other religions, it is of note when they cluster together, particularly in the realms of journalism, in the same way that it would be of note for other significant religious minorities – Jains, Muslims, Rastafarians etc.

With the high numbers of Christians, it would not be so surprising to see ‘clusters’ since that could reflect the percentage present in the population, and since other nations manage to fill their journalist, editor, publishing jobs with non-Jews, and maintain standards, there is clearly no argument that followers of Judaism are just better at the job.

Which leads to the possibility that such ‘clusters’ are the result of people employing ‘their own kind,’ as has happened in the less developed past with Catholics, Anglicans etc., and still happens with Muslims, Hindus and it seems Jews.

None of it matters if the journalists, editors and publishers keep their religion private and maintain editorial objectivity and balance, but there are indications that this is not the case and for Americans, that is of concern, given how much it costs them, financially and otherwise, to support the Israeli experiment.

October 22, 2016, 7:07 pm

Very true Ossinev. Regardless of what Israel does now, the damage it has done and the harm inflicted on Palestinians does not sit well with the majority global population so no matter what Israel does it has permanently delegitimized itself by its illegal and abhorrent actions. It effectively has isolated itself. Americans have put themselves in the same boat as Israeli’s by supporting,financing and weaponising Israel so it can maintain its unlawful actions. Israel has a future of withering on the vine. It eventually will be overrun. Arabs are close to saying enough is enough to Israel and regardless of Israeli nukes the Arabs and I suspect Iranians will forcibly bring Israel down. Such a state has no chance of longevity in a modern world.

October 22, 2016, 6:21 pm

I find the visual subtext to be a reluctant admittance that ol’-timey Israel of David, Solomon, et al, never was. A clumsy hat-tip to the truth and efforts of archeologists such as Finkelstein/Silberman (“Bible Unearthed”.)

Jacob and Rachel and their contemporary, 2016 CE, garb are countered by the previous contenders to the land of Palestine who are wearing the fashion of the appropriate year BCE, i.e., contemporary garb from the time those invaders had made their claim to the land of Palestine. Ergo, J&R are as temporary and brutish as those they are supposed to be mocking.

The silence of the Palestinians who do NOT cross the threshold is likely an unintended tribute to their millennia old patience that will prevail.

Talk about about a narrative backfiring…

October 22, 2016, 5:47 pm

DONALD JOHNSON- “The Western press and the UN claim that most of the civilian dead were killed by the Syrian government.”

How then to explain the continued popularity of Assad? Donald, this is the same wall to wall propaganda that we last saw during the runup to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia. A Democratic war monger in chief can count on full neocon/media support, along with the UN and Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. Why would the Syrian government be targeting its own civilians? This isn’t an internal rebellion, this is a foreign intervention, involving US supplied tanks and artillery with full support for mercenary Islamists. Did you read the original Kinzer article? And while you criticize empire, apparently blaming the demonized target of this imperial destabilization provides you with some sort of psychological tether to the outer limits of liberal dissent. So most of the carnage is Assad’s fault? Wow! Have you made a contribution to the White Helmets?

DONALD JOHNSON- “BTW, is every Syrian or Palestinian who criticizes Assad and thinks he is a war criminal a deluded servant of the empire.?”

You do yourself no favors with an infantile comment like this. Let me add that the division on the Left regarding Syria is primarily a consequence of the fact that this is a Democrat intervention. If this was a Republican intervention, there would be unified opposition as in Iraq.

October 22, 2016, 5:44 pm

Defiantly interesting times, At 50 years of age, It has finally taken me this long to realize how corrupt the Western media is. Trump may have something there.
We have Clinton’s E mail released by Wikileaks, Recommending the overthrow of Syria to remove their support of Hamas and other terrorist groups, and to help Israel maintain its sole Nuclear Monopoly.
The “White Helmets” (Established 2 years ago) who are sometimes called the Syrian Red Cross (Established 67 years ago) are now the one and the same according to some Western Media outlets. This is a group who only operate in Rebel controlled areas and are the main accusers of War crimes against Russia and Syria. Defiantly not a reliable source considering they are financed by 100s of million with cash and resources by the US, Great Britain and France.
Throw in the reports of the US and Saudi Arabia negotiating to allow ISIS free passage to escape and its not hard to see the America involvement in the current shitstorm in the Middle East which is quickly escalating into a regional war, if not a global one.
It concerns me the Clinton who is one of the instigators of this current conflict will soon have the power to escalate if further. Scary times indeed.
The MSM is making much of Trumps and Putin’s friendliness because God forbid we the people must never click on to the truth.
The thought of a Candidate like Trump with his multitude of flaws somehow scares me less than Clinton.

Helena Cobban
October 22, 2016, 5:37 pm

This is a good report on an important topic. Worth remembering the key role that the sports boycott of South Africa played in “persuading” many reluctant “White” South Africans that they’d need to support the peace talks with the ANC if they wanted to continue playing their beloved Rugby football on the world scene… (Do not, of course, confuse the hard-nosed, principled way the ANC negotiated with the bootlicking, kowtowing way the current PA heads “negotiate”.)

Just one caveat. The West Bank is not just ” territory that is being disputed by the Palestinian Football Association (PFA)” as stated here. It is territory that is rightfully claimed by the Palestinians but is currently held under Israeli military occupation. The adjective “disputed” is a weasel-word that many pro-Israelis use to describe these territories when they don’t want to say the OPT’s are OCCUPIED.

October 22, 2016, 4:56 pm

JD65- “So one should self-censor oneself due to the possibility of being misinterpreted?”

I was specifically referring to “misreprented,” particularly when you can reasonably assume that the opposition will seek to exploit vulnerabilities and has the resources to do so. As for “misinterpreted,” I hardly consider it self-censorship to strive for clarity so that you will not be misinterpreted. Furthermore, I am not a fan of Twitter which because of its brevity seems to lend itself to both misinterpretation and misrepresentation.

Yes, comparisons with Nazi Germany are rather problematic and frequently counterproductive. If one feels compelled to go that route, however, best to do so in a longer essay format where the relevant facts can be developed and qualified. Twitter is a terrible format for something like that. Like you say, it is usually unnecessary and inappropriate.

October 22, 2016, 4:54 pm


Apart from the half-baked excuses for mafia-style criminality, there is also an essential problem with your post, that of approximative terminology and fuzzy concepts.
“Nepotism” usage is mostly for favoring personal kinship by those in power.
Nepotism thus properly applies to the scandalous examples of Bush Il-Jong, Bush Jong-Un or Hillary Sarantapechaina the Athenian. Meaning mephitic-satanic empty nobodies promoted by the sheer force of immediate kinship.

Solidarity inside national, ethnic or religious groups is radically different.

And it’s again totally different from a power grab by an organization that methodically, calculatingly occupies the strategic points of the power structure of a nation, purges it of any opposition and ensures control over that nation’s policy (at least with regard to the points of interest of the criminal group.) The latter is something done by the Mafia or the Zionists. Both are criminal, even though they cannot really be compared: the former is definitely a small-timer. That both exist thanks to an underlying, earlier tribal organization is no reason for discounting one of the most murderous organizations as just a tribal solidarity network.

Donald Johnson
October 22, 2016, 4:14 pm

I accept that the US, Turkey, the Saudis and Qatar and others wanted to topple Assad or failing that, use the Syrian War as a quagmire to weaken their enemies, The US apparently hopes Syria will weaken Russupia the way the Afghan conflict weakened the Soviet Union. It is a deeply cynical and immoral policy and the blame for all the deaths does fall heavily on the US and others.

But blame is not a zero sum game and a government which bombs urban areas is not a “victim”. Children killed by bombs are victims.

“Ultimate blame” is a dodge. Context is absolutely necessary in exposing the hypocrisy of the West in its condemnations of the Syrian government, but it doesn’t magically grant that government the right to use whatever tactics it wants to use.

The Western press and the UN claim that most of the civilian dead were killed by the Syrian government. I suspect there is a massive undercount of civilians killed by the jihadists, but there is little reason to doubt many were killed by the Syrian government itself.

BTW, is every Syrian or Palestinian who criticizes Assad and thinks he is a war criminal a deluded servant of the empire.?

October 22, 2016, 4:09 pm

Clinton has a lot of worrying to do when trump brings felony charges against her…
“Thanks to videos released by Project Veritas, we now have concrete proof that it was Hillary Clinton that paid operatives to storm Trump rallies and incite violence.

Hillary Clinton did not just pay mercenaries to assault Trump supporters, she also violated the law on several occasions.

Robert Creamer, a Clinton crony, was one of the organizers of the paid violence and has also visited Obama at the White House at least 230 times. He was forced to resign from his position immediately following the release of these videos.” link to conservativedailypost.com

Donald Johnson
October 22, 2016, 3:37 pm

If I remember the post you mention I wasn’t crazy about it, but it is common for people who come from a given background to rebel against it and maybe say things that are over the top.. For Phil to say such things isn’t the same as if I ( a Christian) said them. It would be like me making some derogatory comments about my own background, which in fact I’ve done and I haven’t always been fair. This happens all the time– during the current campaign people are arguing about whether liberals unfairly stereotype blue collar whites or dwellers in poor rural areas or conservative Christians, but nobody associates these kinds of comments with, say, the Nazis or the Holocaust or 2000 years of antisemitism. Well, probably some people do, but they are being melodramatic. I know I’ve heard ex Catholics and ex evangelicals and for that matter, ex secularists making broad negative generalizations about their group or former group.

Rosenberg and presumably the ADL ( I haven’t read their statement) aren’t trying to give Phil constructive criticism or even doing what you are doing, which I take to be an expression of anger at what you see as Phil being insensitive–Rosenberg is trying to drive Phil out of polite society and utterly discredit this site and everyone associated with it. Do you want to do that?

Rosenberg himself is an apologist for Israeli war crimes, which I say based on this gushing endorsement of Clinton’s apologetics for the Gaza War on Jon Stewart’s show–

link to tabletmag.com

And that’s not an accident. The best way to defend the indefensible is to discredit the critics.

October 22, 2016, 3:33 pm

Thanks. He did say he wants to drain the swampland in Washington if he wins; so will he pass on an opportunity to scorch the earth if he foresees a loss?

He’s already saying the election will be rigged; the media rigs the system; so what’s stopping him from exposing how the Republican establishment also rigs the system? Not much. If I were him — I’d go Samson and take a wrecking ball to the whole damn fix structure.

p.s. The fix was laid by both the Zioneolibs and Zioneocons; their agenda is one and the same; ergo the duopoly to secure the Zioneo agenda.

October 22, 2016, 3:33 pm

“It’s nice to see that the comments are back, so I’ll (belatedly) wish everyone a good year. May it be a year of peace.”

Coming from an Israeli, that’s a joke. Coming from you, it’s an insult.
May the coming year take from you what you have stolen.
May this be the year Judaism stands up to the depredations and perversions Zionism has wreaked upon it.

James Canning
October 22, 2016, 3:32 pm

What utter nonsense, to claim it is “anti-Semitic” to note the record of an editor of a major magazine reporting on global affairs.

October 22, 2016, 3:26 pm

“Now he” (Goldberg) “shrewdly understands that his parochialism will not serve him in his new role; and so he is pivoting from that Jewish, pro-Israel self-description.”

Goldberg knows when it’s time to assimilate!

October 22, 2016, 3:16 pm

“Jeff in Brooklyn”

“Brooklyn”? That’s in New York City!!!

October 22, 2016, 3:16 pm

I just listened to Trump’s policy speech in Gettysburg and watch out Zionist Lobby; Trump’s gunning for foreign interlopers and foreign influence on government and policy.

I hope he means it. Unfortunately his son-in-law is a Zionist who might not take kindly to his anti-Lobby policy.

October 22, 2016, 3:11 pm

So in other words: he’s equal opportunity.

October 22, 2016, 2:55 pm

Reminders to watch my sloppy diction are always welcome. They teach me, or at least make me conscious of it. Not very hopeful as to the potential to correct it, though.

October 22, 2016, 2:50 pm

Is it the Chinese New Year already? Strange, where I live the Chinese are like 40% of the population, so I would have known.

October 22, 2016, 2:49 pm

“Forget the example, I want their address!”

I like ol’ “tokyobk”, he’s a boon to the environment. His ideas have no harmful emissions.
They are unfailingly pedestrian.

October 22, 2016, 2:19 pm

DG Fincham,

I believe that the illegality of Israel’s conquests in 1948-49 would give Palestine at least a strong moral argument for obtaining much more territory that the 22% of former Palestine within Gaza and the West Bank

The illegality of the invasion and partition itself would give an even stronger moral argument. And possibly be used to make the colonial powers uncomfortable if the international situation produces a sponsor for the argument.

The chance of any progress, beyond the use of “negotiations” to steal and perform genocide, is zilch comma nada anytime, anyway. So it costs nothing to ask as much as you can.

October 22, 2016, 1:55 pm

Jeff in Brooklyn

No one doubts that you are as American as your fringe-group gobbledygook (not to mention your “ha-sebara” terminology.) Used, as observed, for the purposes of restricting any anti-Zionist action to some tribal fringe group officially in the service of Jewish nationalism –no doubt to enforce their being “110% free of racism – against ANYONE (Muslim, Palestinian, Black, gay, White, Jewish)”. Under penalty of character assassination and other nice Zionist dirty wrestling, of course.

It’s not your opinion, however kooky (and same old Trotzkyite nonsense, if I may add my opinion), anyone is objecting to. It’s your criminal participation in Zionist propaganda and action.

October 22, 2016, 1:49 pm

TOKYOBK- “Successful immigrant groups from all backgrounds employ nepotism.”

Indeed, for immigrant groups not fully accepted by the host society, it may be an essential part of starting out. Furthermore, I agree that Blacks would likely benefit from more internal solidarity across class lines. Malcolm X made some valid points.

Of the various groups you mentioned, perhaps the overseas Chinese more closely resemble the Jewish experience? Yuri Slezkine covers them briefly in “The Jewish Century.” I am under the impression that the overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia tend to dominate the economies of their host countries.One big difference appears to be that Chinese diaspora nepotism seems primarily to involve the economic sphere, their political power not as developed. And, yes, the Chinese diaspora has suffered pogroms from time to time. And while this Chinese nepotism has benefited the Chinese, in the long run is this refusal to assimilate in the best interest of all of the citizens?

As for the “thin ice” issue, Phil is quite correct to “Jew count” for positions of power and influence insofar as Jewish elite “kinship” seems to be an important factor in explaining American Jewish support for Israel which seems to be a critical determinant of imperial support for Israel. That is the focus of Mondoweiss, after all. And my point about Jewish Zionist nepotism being a significant component of American Jewish success is to argue that it is Zionism and support for Israel which provides the basis for this manufactured kinship, effectively replacing the Judaic religion as the unifying tribal force. In any event, discussing the distribution of power within our political economy is always legitimate and often essential.

David Gerald Fincham
October 22, 2016, 1:41 pm

@talknic You say:

“By declaring their state within the pre ’67 ‘borders’ (1949 Armistice Demarcation Lines) and thru its subsequent recognition, Palestine abandoned the right to Persistent Objection over territories illegally acquired by force through Jewish terrorism and Israeli forces 1947/48/49.

But Palestine in its Declaration said only that the State is established “in our Palestinian territory” without specifying the extent of that territory. It is true that the PLO accepted the Clinton parameters in the Oslo process, which included the idea of a Palestinian state including only the West Bank and Gaza, but that was a concession made in a negotiating process “in the interests of peace”. Since it did not produce peace, they cannot be held to that. When Palestine applied for full UN membership, it did say (foolishly in my opinion) that its borders included only the West Bank and Gaza. However, that application was rejected, and so has no force.

The only ‘legal’ border between two adjacent states is one that both have agreed upon. The Oslo process always said that the borders were a matter for final status negotiations. Irrespective of ‘Persistent Objection’, I believe that the illegality of Israel’s conquests in 1948-49 would give Palestine at least a strong moral argument for obtaining much more territory that the 22% of former Palestine within Gaza and the West Bank, to add to the practical arguments concerning viability and contiguity of the State of Palestine.

jon s
October 22, 2016, 12:07 pm

It’s nice to see that the comments are back, so I’ll (belatedly) wish everyone a good year. May it be a year of peace.
And a very happy holiday to all those celebrating this week!

October 22, 2016, 12:06 pm

Well said JoeSmack. Yes, indeed, the petition was a response to the attack on Miko Peled, and to show there is a pattern, of trying to pick off our top activists, one by one. Divide and rule is a great way to weaken a movement. “Stop divisive attacks” seems to have gone unheeded here, with people still attacking Alison Weir! And then people who defend others get attacked too. It’s got crazy. And all the time, Palestinian children are dying, and we are too obsessed with fighting each other to notice. Even our beloved Hedy Epstein was severely attacked for simply signing the first petition in support of Alison Weir. One email that Hedy received was the most spiteful one I have ever read in my life, and shamefully, it was written by a Palestinian, no less, who seemed oblivious to the ” divide and rule ” tactics being used to weaken us all.

October 22, 2016, 11:51 am

On the exclusivity issue…Americans are not that different than Israeli’s. How often do you hear Americans think, feel or write about the fundamentally racist invasions, military interventions in Libya, Syria and the deadly consequences discussed on our MSM. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims have been killed, injured, millions turned into refugees in large part due to the Bush/Cheney, Wolfowitz, Obama/Clinton. Anne Marie Slaughter foreign policy turned into military actions, proxy wars, Muslim lives seem not to matter to most Americans…dispensable . Shameful

October 22, 2016, 11:43 am

Jeff in Brooklyn provides a perfect example of why this petition is necessary!

October 22, 2016, 11:18 am

“All the smart guys in Tel Aviv thought Bibi was having a nervous breakdown. In the US you could never get away with those kind of racist appeals. But, man, did it work.”

BB clearly understands the fundamentals of racism and that he can get away with expressing what is really going on. Racism in action…he gets it that Israel has and can get away with it.

That Hillary will support no matter what.

MSNBC host, CNN host not mentioning Wikileaks at all. Silence

On Friday night Fox News Megyn Kelly lets those not reporting about Wikileaks drops off the hook by saying “they are so complicated” and the MSM likes easy reporting. Odd

October 22, 2016, 10:35 am

Palestine =philistine. Even the zionist holy book admits Palestinians have ancient ties to that land!

October 22, 2016, 10:30 am

This whole article/comments makes me think of bookmaking. Goldberg and his pals are just trying to identify betting opportunities that represent good value.

October 22, 2016, 10:27 am

Im voting for jill stein, im with her because shes with me. Shes the only candidate who wants peace and wants to fight climate change, not russia.

Clinton has never said “no” to a war. Shes corrupt. She jokes about death and torture, “we came, we saw, he died…😁😁😁”. 😨😨😨 She used the ancient roman saying, ” veni, vedi, vici” about gaddafi, leader of libya, located in modern day carthage, romes ancient enemy. Are we the fourth fucking reich or something? Jeez lady, chill.

Trump challenging the results IS democracy, not a threat to democracy. Legal appeals are a part of our democratic process. I wish bernie had challenged the results and called out election tampering when he saw it! There will be vote tampering and machine hacking, along with outright lies, but trump got it wrong when he saud there woukd be voter fraud. Leave it to trump to be so wrong but so close to right.

Trump is not any more connected to russia than clinton is. Trump has said he wants peace with russia, while clinton wants war. Ww3 would be the one issue that beats climate change, which neityer candidate is going to properly address anyway. Clinton loves fracking and everything else that donates money.

What a terrible choice, folks.

October 22, 2016, 10:22 am

“You reap what you sow.”

not if settlers beat you and steal the crop

October 22, 2016, 9:37 am

“I have never seen that phrase used except to downplay or whitewash the atrocities of some faction. Why do this? Why should people use some ” overarching reality” as a reason for not noticing that both the Syrian government and its various armed opponents murder civilians? All this does is make it harder to understand what is actually happening.”

yes Donald Pontius Pilate is a moral exemplar in the American Church?

Jeff in Brooklyn
October 22, 2016, 9:19 am

I am grateful for your concerns about my English comprehension. Since English has been a first language in my family for at least 400 years, I’m not too worried about it.

Furthermore I’m not too concerned about anyone’s challenge to my American identity, since I’ve had descendents in North America for more than 250 years. And the United States is a settler-colony created in a similar manner to Israel. The only ‘real’ authentic Americans are -ironically – TRIBES; with tribal mentality.

Regarding Ms Weir and this discussion:

We seem to disagree on the implications of participating in hate publications – without challenging them – in order to inform them on another issue.

I have given my opinion on it.
You have given your opinion on it.

So that leaves the opinion of other parties:
Ask a black lives activist how they feel about someone going on an anti-black pro-apartheid (South Africa) publication – without challenging them on those stances – in order to inform them on another issue.

We’ve already gotten your opinion on it; why don’t we see what others think about it.

Furthermore it’s interesting that an anti-apartheid advocate would go on a pro-apartheid publication and not even mention it or challenge them on it in any way.

October 22, 2016, 8:24 am

On the one hand you have a dominant mainstream tendency to escalate tensions with Russia to the extent that the risk of nuclear war becomes large. And Clinton is a hawk who is going to escalate tensions even more .
On the other hand you have Trump stating that the main danger facing humanity is nuclear war and and saying he wants to get along with Russia and North Korea.

On the one hand you have a smart and knowledgeable candidate who is acceptable to the establishment and who can keep her cool when things get tense. On the other hand you have an ignorant ruffian who is unpredictable and throws tantrums.

‘The little scoundrel president who saved the world’ .It does have some degree of movie appeal doesn’t it.

What bothers me a lot is how many people go along with the escalation of tensions with Russia. This is not just Clinton. She’s not that much out of step with the rest of us. I would like to see that part change. Urgently.

October 22, 2016, 8:20 am

I can’t disagree with you there Kay….All Obama did by granting $38billion to Netanyahu was to sink America’s standing globally even more. People know clearly those weapons and the money gets used to make Palestinians lives hell and continue the ethnic cleansing. I am hoping Obama makes amends by supporting a Resolution to end Settlements and the Occupation before he leaves office. America owes Palestinians that much.

October 22, 2016, 8:08 am

Interesting article. It gives great insight to exactly what is going on in the Clinton campaign. I have noticed since of late she does not mention that “I” word, refer to it, nor mention that we should protect our “only” ally in the ME. Sometimes when she does, you know it comes out of context to her speech, and is only mouthing it to please her financial backers – the rich zionists in American clothing. Many of those “Dem activists” are turned off with Clinton’s devotion to an alien nation that had it not been so interfering in our political system by their lobbies, would have been sanctioned by now for a brutal occupation and human rights abuses.

The simple reason that I fear Bibi will get the red carpet treatment in the WH, and that she will take this sick relationship to the “next level”, makes me NOT want to vote for this woman. I guess we have to be resigned to the fact that no American President will have the spine to hold the occupier accountable for its crimes, stop protecting it from world condemnation, stop the aid and weapons flowing, and demand it stop the occupation, in our lifetime.

a blah chick
October 22, 2016, 7:59 am

I’m sure that if they wanted to they could find a reason for taking away his citizenship. They’ve revoked the citizenship of Palestinians so what’s the problem?

Hey , Israel, if you’re worried about precedent don’t be, Hillary’s got your back.

October 22, 2016, 4:06 am

Thanks for coming back, Mondoweiss.

Thanks for this important coverage of Hagai El- Ad’s important, moving, and truthful testimony @ the UN, Phil.

I’m quite sure that you’ve seen this by now:

“Coalition Chairman Threatens to Strip Citizenship of Israeli Activist Who Criticized Occupation at UN

B’Tselem CEO Hagai El-Ad ‘should find himself another citizenship,’ Likud lawmaker Bitan says after head of nonprofit called on UN Security Council to take action against occupation.
‘Hunting season has started,’ Meretz chairwoman tweets.”

read more: link to haaretz.com

This is only the latest unveiling of the despicable Occupiers. Will enough humans care???

October 22, 2016, 3:02 am

Since Zionism does not = Judaism, anti-Zionism is not anti-Jewish. That’s not to say that an anti-Zionist can’t also be anti-Jewish, but that anti-Zionism itself has to do with opposition to the Jewish colonization of Palestine, not to a bias against Jews. No more, that is, than opposition to formerly apartheid South Africa was a marker (which it wasn’t) for anti-white sentiment.

October 22, 2016, 1:30 am

Mondoweiss Launches Anti-Semitic Attack on New Editor-in-Chief of ‘The Atlantic’ ~ Yair Rosenberg, Tablet

Another fatwa to add to the countless other fatwas against countless other “anti-Semites”…

Tablet issues fatwa against “anti-Semitic” and “anti-Israel hub” Mondoweiss, its “anti-Semitic” founding editor, its “anti-Semitic” editor-at-large, and its comments section “teeming with anti-Semites”.

October 22, 2016, 1:13 am

On comment threads, I am forever having to explain to non-Jewish residents of the Middle East that there’s a difference between Jews and Zionists. It’s very difficult for them because 1) almost all Jews that live in Israel are Zionists (though thankfully a minority at least of them are not Jewish supremacists) and 2) Israeli Zionists perpetually claim to speak for all Jews, both Israeli Jews and diaspora Jews. You really can’t blame non-Jewish residents of the Middle East for what appears on the surface to be anti-Semitism.

October 22, 2016, 1:08 am

I put the following comment up on Pushed by alumni claiming anti-Semitism, Vassar officials oppose BDS and promote ‘Israel-positive’ programs. Graetz is often considered the founder of the field of Jewish history. I prefer to call myself an historian of modern Jews to distinguish pseudoscholarship from genuine scholarship.

It is more important to open up a serious discussion of the accusation of antisemitism and of the use to which bigoted “Jews” and genocide supporters or genocide advocates put this accusation.

We progressives must explain to all Americans that the historical record of this charge from the 19th century to the present day shows that “Jewish” bigots often are completely unwilling to listen to reasonable criticism by people of good-will and respond with unreasonable accusations of antisemitism.

Thus, antisemitism rarely has clear correlation with hostility toward “Jews”, but it is not surprising that those unreasonably accused of antisemitism might develop anger.

It is worthwhile to look at the accusations of antisemitism against the German scholar and politician Heinrich von Treitschke. Samson Raphael Hirsch, who was the founder of German Jewish Neo-Orthodoxy, defended von Treitschke. Hirsch attacked Heinrich Graetz, who was von Treitschke’s detractor and intellectual opponent. Hirsch accused Graetz of flagrant intellectual dishonesty.

The pattern of intellectually dishonest accusations of antisemitism continues to this day.

October 22, 2016, 1:02 am

It would come just a little closer to the truth if instead of the British soldier knocking on the door, it were Baron Rothschild serving a foreclosure notice.

October 22, 2016, 12:35 am

Donald Johnson: Why should people use some ” overarching reality” as a reason for not noticing that both the Syrian government and its various armed opponents murder civilians?

With all due respect, that statement strikes me as a blatant straw man.

The issue is not one of “not noticing” the deaths of civilians, but of putting them in context ( “the overarching reality”), and making political and moral judgments only after such contextualization. Facts and context–both are critical.

Apparently it is the dreaded sin of moral equivalence.

There is no sin of “moral equivalence” per se– only one of asserting false moral equivalences, ignoring context and overarching power asymmetries.

Thus when Keith writes:

Western imperialism bears the ultimate responsibility for the carnage in Syria, just as in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

it’s not a case of ignoring facts, as you suggested, but putting them in context and only then drawing “ultimate” political/moral judgments.

A false “moral equivalence” argument would assert that “both sides” are killing civilians and everyone, ultimately, is equally to blame.

October 22, 2016, 12:15 am

Hey Ara –

Jeff in Brooklyn… Silly.

Yup. ‘Nuff said.

October 21, 2016, 11:59 pm

Hey Keith. Point taken. And it’s a legitimate one. However…

Why, oh why, do people like Miko Peled say things like this on the social media? It is like giving your opponent a club to beat you with. That the tweet lends itself to misrepresentation should be obvious… Has the memory of Steven Salaita faded so quickly?…

So one should self-censor oneself due to the possibility of being misinterpreted? In my mind, that’s a tough sell. To put it lightly. But like I said, I hear you.

For me, the point you make comes up in my mind whenever I hear pro-Palestinian folks/activists/writers/etc. make comparisons between Nazis/Germany/Holocaust and Israelis/Israel/Nakba. Yes… I know that often the comparisons make sense and are legitimate in a lot of instances. But, like you say, it’s like giving your enemy a gun to shoot you with. And more importantly, it’s completely unnecessary.

October 21, 2016, 11:35 pm

” Well hello, we are all living in the USA or possibly Canada. ”

What do you mean, “we”, Yank?