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MHughes976 , Thanks for the response .
“The Labour Friends of Israel is a distinct organisation to the Jewish Labour Movement, the affiliated socialist society and successor to the UK’s Poale Zion.
It has been described as “less unquestioning in its support of the Israeli government than the Conservative Friends of Israel”. Between 2001 and 2009 the Labour Friends of Israel paid for more than 60 MPs to visit Israel, more than any other group.”wiki
Looks as if BICOM ( the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre, –yup , much better than that BIPAC ) is alive and well and steering British FP in ME affairs.
Wouldn,t Israel save so much money agreeing to and even funding a Palestinian state instead of wasting billions interfering in the affairs of so many sovereign nations through it,s proxies , ie AIPAC , BICOM et al. It beggars belief that Israel,s past and present leaders believe this can succeed Ad Infinitum.
I like Corbyn because of his stance on Israel but my opinion is moot as an outsider.I agree he treated Naz Shah badly bu will have to research his connection to Paul Eisen.
Not sure if you caught Trumps promise to netanyahu on Sunday to recognise Jerusalem as the “Undivded Capital of Israel “.I wonder if Hillary can go one better than that and go against her former bosses and all previous US administrations policy on the issue.
Don,t have a link but it is on Haaretz and Reuters.
@ jon s September 26, 2016, 2:42 am
“I’ve been away from this forum for a while. I notice that the commenter profile/ archive function doesn’t work. Is that temporary?”
I’m sure it’ll be fixed sooner than getting an honest reply from any of the Israeli propagandists who frequent MW link to talknic.files.wordpress.com
@ jon s September 26, 2016, 2:38 am
“Back in 1947 the UN recommended “partition” and that’s still the best possible way to go , both morally sound and politically feasible, aka “the 2 state solution””
Which Israel accepted despite already having Jewish forces over the borders it proclaimed effective May 15th 1948. Borders by which Israel was specifically recognized link to wp.me
Glad we got that sorted. So you’re willing to take Palestinian citizenship, right?
MHughes976September 26, 2016, 3:48 am
Thanks for that link, amigo – It revealed not only Lord Mitchell’s resignation but the fact that the Labour parliamentary Party Friends of Israel has been relaunched, with membership ‘tripled’ to 65 and rebranded as a specifically pro-2ss outfit, with the slogan ‘For Israel, for Palestine, for peace’. Ho hum. Perhaps an indication of a shift, though a very slight indication of at best a very slight shift,, in the way the wind is blowing.
I’m centre-left rather than Left, so not very pro-Corbyn generally and I think he has been as disappointing to me as he has been to the very strongly Zionist Lord Mitchell. I thought his treatment of Naz Shah and his disowning of Paul Eisen were dreadful.
jon sSeptember 26, 2016, 2:42 am
I’ve been away from this forum for a while. I notice that the commenter profile/ archive function doesn’t work. Is that temporary?
jon sSeptember 26, 2016, 2:38 am
In my view, “separation” is the wrong term. It’s both incorrect and impractical, and recalls “segregation”.
Back in 1947 the UN recommended “partition” and that’s still the best possible way to go , both morally sound and politically feasible, aka “the 2 state solution”.
@ Jackdaw September 24, 2016, 1:30 am
“My criteria is …” … not living under a life time of the brutal occupation that you and your fellowfools4Ziocrime support
@ Jackdaw September 25, 2016, 12:20 am
“You don’t have to look to far to find Nazis”
Indeed. The Palestinians ask for their legal rights. ZioNazis demand what is not rightfully Israeli
“When is Mondoweiss going to publish an article about all the Jews, religious and otherwise, who live below the poverty line?”
How about after they’ve been under 70 years of occupation
“Schmuckly Boteach is a disgusting slime ball, who is doing the dirty work for the zionists, even challenging his own President, in this instance. He is making sure that this nation keeps making the right decisions for an alien rogue nation, even if it is the WRONG one for us.”
Jews like Boteach, Saban, Adelson, etc., can openly bribe and blackmail anyone they perceive as not being pro-israel enough and demand these elected officials’ decisions be driven only by what’s good for israel and not the united states. Why is that? They have no consequences for their treason. They’ll stay in their country of origin until it gets too hot in the kitchen, then skip out for their true love, apartheid borderless israel. Who else can do that? Being Jewish, all they have to do is go to israel and declare they are olim and they’re in. (All the christian zionists out there – uh, that won’t work for you.)
That picture of the happy, red-cheeked smiling boteach reminds me that he has a great future where he’d actually have a function (no offence). link to s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
Kay24September 25, 2016, 10:12 pm
I wonder if it will be Clinton or Drumpf that will bring up Israel first, vow to love and protect it, and try to outdo the other one while doing it.
“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to intervene, once again, in U.S. presidential elections. He is about to help, once again, the Republican Party. He is raising concerns and sparking ire, as before, in the White House and the Democratic Party. Like a compulsive gambler who returns to the same roulette table where he lost a fortune, Netanyahu is placing our chips on the wheel once again in the hope that he’ll finally hit the jackpot.”
read more: link to haaretz.com
Kay24September 25, 2016, 9:54 pm
I meant while Schmuckly was putting up ads, and various senators were signing a letter asking Obama to not pursue the 2SS, the king of zionists himself is putting on the pressure. I think it is an organized effort by the zios to pressurize the President. I am sure others are also ordered to do the same through AIIPAC. Of course no zionists will ever agree to a 2SS, right now they are content with the status quo, are gaining more lands, have control over their neighbors, and do not need peace and freedom like those they occupy.
Philip WeissSeptember 25, 2016, 4:14 pm
Thanks for that tip, very helpful.
“Go Corbyn!” ritzl
Indeed , a bright spot during the weekend and this in spite of a british Israel firster zionist money bags efforts to “oust ” him.
“Michael Foster is leading the drive to unseat the U.K. Labour Party leader, calling his supporters ‘Nazi storm troopers.’ But while every anti-Semitic utterance in Britain has caused a furor recently, why was the ex-showbiz agent’s comment allowed to slip through? ” Haaretz
No paywall on this link.
JACKDAW- “When is Mondoweiss going to publish an article about all the Jews, religious and otherwise, who live below the poverty line?”
Indeed, it would be interesting to see unbiased data involving Jewish income distribution versus other groups. Part of the problem would be to identify who is a Jew. The primary folks who keep track of this sort of thing are the Jewish organizations. A Gentile who even broaches the topic is branded an anti-Semite engaging in anti-Semitic tropes. Perhaps you know of an unbiased study?
Trivia question. The very first word out of baby Hophmi’s mouth was “auntie.” Can you guess the second?
echinococcusSeptember 25, 2016, 3:43 pm
Whaddya mean, “even the king of the zionists”? If 70 years were not enough to teach us that no Zionist will give up before Palestine is entirely settled by the tribe and the locals reduced to the same state as American Indians (minus full citizenship, nach.)
The Zionists who say they are for “two states” support and implement the exact same policies as the current single-state-single-tribe ones, with an added pretense of “talks” with their own puppets for another unknown number of years or until successful genocide, whichever happens earlier.
So their king is better for us if he is the non-dissimulating caveman kind.
yonah fredmanSeptember 25, 2016, 3:35 pm
Excuse me for stating the obvious, but this is an attack on clinton. The day after the elections would be the time for such an ad, if the true target was obama. (I accept Dennis ross’s analysis that a trump victory would increase the chances for Obama to leave office with such a lame duck, last act.) Calling attention to the Obama legacy on the eve of the debates is an attempt to capture the attention of those for whom israel is a primary issue and for whom such a resolution would be a betrayal. (The vast majority of jews for whom israel is a primary issue back the likud rather than Roger alphel’s vision). Despite mw’s well based opinion that haim saban makes hillary less likely than Obama to pressure israel, those who hate Obama (for his middle east policies), hate hillary too and consider her Obama 2.0 when it comes to israel. So boteach is backing trump with this advert.
RITZL- “People who are afraid of Trump’s “finger on the button” should stop extrapolating.”
The reality is far more serious than most people realize. We are talking multiple fingers on multiple buttons. Presidential authorization is required ONLY for strategic weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons (up to 100 kilotons) are in the operational inventory and can be launched by a three star General. Recall that Hiroshima was 20 kilotons. We have had multiple close calls and, unless we eliminate nuclear weapons, it is only a matter of time before we all can kiss our collective you-know-what goodbye.
PHIL- (Yossi Klein Halevi quote)- “Each community has devised an opposite strategy for coping. Our strategy is to be tough, the American Jewish strategy is to be flexible.”
How could I pass up the excuse to link to “Israel Man and Diaspora Boy,” the perfect illustration of how Israeli Jews view the Diaspora? link to elivalley.com
Kay24September 25, 2016, 2:40 pm
On CNN just now, they are commenting that a day before the debates, Clinton and Drumpf are both meeting with Nutty Yahoo today. It has taken years for Bill Clinton to know who really the super power is. It is obvious considering how much the WH, Congress, leaders, and the media bow down to it, in fact our Presidential candidates pay homage to its leader hours before they debate. As for Nutty man, he knows he must make nice with both, and making sure they have some control over both.
From an old article:
“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has never worried much about what foreign dignitaries think of him. Barack Obama is certainly not the first American president to find him a tough customer. In 1996, Bill Clinton remarked privately after his first meeting with Bibi, “Who the fuck does he think he is? Who’s the fucking superpower here?” Now, however, and at potentially great cost for Israel, he may be going too far.”
a blah chickSeptember 25, 2016, 2:16 pm
Man, oh man, what does America have to do to get Shumuley off its back? No matter how much aid and political support that two bit banana republic gets it’s never enough.
Definition of an American Zionist: someone who will do anything for their beloved Israel except go and live there.
P.S. Phil, far be it for me to tell you your job but I hope you do something on the black power salutes at the Ophir prize ceremony and Miri Regev’s meltdown.
ritzlSeptember 25, 2016, 2:09 pm
So Boteach is a racist occupationist and Wexler is a racist segregationist. What portion of the Jewish “rainbow” do they collectively represent?
I’m starting to think the struggle isn’t about some Jewish position of leadership for Palestinian justice in what seems to be somewhat self-defined as an issue on which Jews must be leaders, but rather a struggle for a consistent, non-insular morality from which Jews (as a named moral force for good, eg. JVP, NOT as individuals who already have the morality) might join the fight sometime in the future pending the outcome of some lengthy internal debate.
The rest of us are moving on relatively quickly.
Kay24September 25, 2016, 1:58 pm
What do you know, even the king of the zionists is pressurizing the President of the United States, to NOT go ahead and push for a 2SS and a statehood for the deserving Palestinians. It should make any rational person wonder as to why this man does not want PEACE for his people. Stealing lands and Occupation, YES, but peace NO. It is easy to call a Palestinian state a “terror state” but facts show that the side that can be considered a “terror state” is the one who is occupying, stealing, and sending precision bombs into homes.
Kay24September 25, 2016, 1:48 pm
They are afraid that in his final days as President, Obama will finally do the RIGHT THING and try to push forward a 2SS, which will only make the zionist master plan have a major set back. They WANT to keep occupying and stealing lands that belong to those they wield power over, the helpless Palestinians who have had no help from world powers. US leaders send a paltry (compared to the mega billions we send the occupier) sum of aid, just to keep the Palestinians temporarily afloat, and that the occupation does not end in deaths due to starvation.
Schmuckly Boteach is a disgusting slime ball, who is doing the dirty work for the zionists, even challenging his own President, in this instance. He is making sure that this nation keeps making the right decisions for an alien rogue nation, even if it is the WRONG one for us.
These zionists in American clothing are like little parasite, sucking the blood off its host.
I wish we could send all zionist sympathizers back to their mothership.
ritzlSeptember 25, 2016, 1:30 pm
Yeah amigo. That Power performance was completely unhinged. People who are afraid of Trump’s “finger on the button” should stop extrapolating. Any administration that could produce that performance is one to be very worried about. Here. NOW.
MooserSeptember 25, 2016, 1:14 pm
They knew Canada couldn’t hold her. As one of her own songs said: “Californy is the place you oughta be!”
“Thanks Steve for showing folk that idiotic supporters of the ongoing Zionist colonization of Palestine will say anything, no matter how bizarre or inaccurate. “talknic.
As they say, “show me who you hang around with and I will show you who you are “.
Hopknee,s only mistake is the choice of company he keeps. If he employed a more selective choice of company he just might be a perfectly normal person.Sadly , I suspect it is a tad late.
MooserSeptember 25, 2016, 12:43 pm
“American Jews tend to ignore that Herzl tried to solve a problem. Have they indeed found a better solution for Herzl’s problem?”
I’m with you “Stopgumber”! I mean, let’s
face it; considering what happened to the Jews in America, I don’t see why American Jews have a goddam thing to tell Zionists about solving “Herzl’s problem”. (Hertzl’s problem” ROTFLMSJAO! He had quite a few.)
“Justice and human rights are extremely definable and debatable and it will need a lot more considering and reasoning till the different expectations of different groups can be reconciled to one common definition.”
Why not just say we should let Israel kill and dispossess Palestinians, until maybe they get tired of it?
I have just endured circa 30 mins of pure hypocracy from Samantha (give me ) Power at the UN emergency meeting relaying stories from Aleppo .She spoke of Hospitals being bombed and the consequent deaths of many civilians .She quoted survivors as saying , “we have nowhere to go”. She spoke of “Syrian Government /Russian –War crimes and maybe these accusations have credibility but any mention of Israeli War crimes is met with unfettered anger.
This is the same contemptible criminal who from the same building some 2 years ago told us ” Israel has a right to defend itself ” but made no mention of Palestinians having nowhere to go as Israel,s bombs fell on their hospitals and schools and UN shelters while trapped inside the prison that is Gaza.
Will no one rid us of these trouble makers . They are a threat to all of us.
MHughes976September 25, 2016, 8:42 am
I think we deserve a statement from Phil and colleagues about this!
Kay24September 25, 2016, 7:54 am
Many unhappy with the gazillions we are giving the zionists, according to this tweet. I guess some are finally realizing that we need help we need at home.
Kay24September 25, 2016, 7:50 am
Those free birth right trips to Israel for American Jews is part of the big effort to make American Jews feel guilted into being loyal and supportive of that alien nation. This has nothing to do with the religion, although that pays a big part in that brainwashing effort, but it is also that “we all must make sure that we protect Israel from all the bad guys surrounding it”, the only such nation that has managed to make people of a certain religion connect the religion to a nation. Anything negative anyone says about Israel is “anti-Semitic” that goes for all Israel’s crimes too. They are not supposed to question anything about the occupation, land grabs, or the fact that the Israeli government kills civilians almost on a daily basis, to keep that occupation going. Many American Jews blindly suppose anything Israel does, for to question or disagree with Israeli leaders is conveniently labelled “self-hating”. In fact they pay thousands of mindless minions to spew this nonsense in websites, just to keep this narrative going.
StogumberSeptember 25, 2016, 5:06 am
My two thoughts.
Halevi is right when he says that American Jews are white collar and Israele Jews are blue collar. That is, Israeli Jews can care for themselves and are independent. American Jews not so much. American Jews tend to ignore that Herzl tried to solve a problem. Have they indeed found a better solution for Herzl’s problem?
Brant Rosen is wrong when he thinks that “justice and human rights” are obvious things, understood by intuition. Justice and human rights are extremely definable and debatable and it will need a lot more considering and reasoning till the different expectations of different groups can be reconciled to one common definition.
Rashers2September 25, 2016, 4:30 am
A thinking person, @hophmi, is “forced” to seek out alternative sources of information if it becomes apparent that readily-available MSM sources provide information which is unreliable, incomplete or is subject to censorship, whether imposed or self-imposed. One; but only one; of my main sources nowadays is Aljazeera because its coverage of M-E and I/P provides counterbalance to the weighted coverage from NewsCorp, CNBC, a now-dumbed-down BBC, et al. Yes, AJ covers the M-E region (unsurprisingly) far more from an Arab perspective and, yes, it covers I/P far more from a Palestinian perspective. That doesn’t of itself make it (or RT) “antisemitic” [sic]; but then you had to work that in, didn’t you?
TalkbackSeptember 25, 2016, 4:01 am
hophmi: “Jews get along with everyone else just fine, …”
Yep, just ask the ones they massacred, expelled, dipossessed or disenfranchised since 1948.
“And your assertion to the contrary is antisemitic.”
Did your mummy tell you this to make you feel better?
TalkbackSeptember 25, 2016, 3:40 am
Jackdaw: “Since half of the town’s residents are children, the good people of Jisr al Zirkah might have been able to raise their standard of living by having less children.”
Or the Jewish Apartheid Junta could distribute its budget equally amongst Jews and Nonjews. But then it wouldn’t be a “Jewish democracy”, right?
Jackdaw: “Oh. BTW Skylar, the Ghawarnah tribe, like many Palestinians emigrated from Egypt during the mid 1800’s. Didn’t you know that?”
The only relevant question is, how many people legally immigrated and not against the will of the citizens of the mandated State of Palestine. Less then half of all Jews in 1948 were legal citizens in Palestine. Didn’t you know that?
Amjad FaurSeptember 25, 2016, 2:15 am
Dakota! I am so very proud of you. Only a few short months between you being my student to me stumbling across your article on one of my favorite websites. As always, absolutely wonderful work from you.
yourstrulySeptember 25, 2016, 1:43 am
Hmm, Zionists publicly calling for Israel to be forever majority Jewish, “better” yet, purely Jewish? Shades of the demand by some racists that upon birth so-called anchor babies not automatically be granted U.S. citizenship, lest America turn into a melanin rich majority/white minority nation. Too late, of course, unless Trump wins in November and calls for a constitutional amendment that makes such babies non-citizens. He’ll have to move quickly, though, since the percentage of whites is steadily dropping. But without a white majority what’ll America be like? Same as Palestine/Israel without a Jewish majority. More just, peaceful and loving.
yourstrulySeptember 25, 2016, 12:49 am
Halevi says that there’s virtually no debate in Israel about the Palestinians. If so might this be because not many Israelis are willing to pay the price – ostracization, verbal or even physical abuse – that dissenters in jingoistic societies face should they be brave enough to speak out? And even if they do speak out, will they heard, what with the media in such societies closed to dissenters. In Nazi Germany, for example, how many people stood up to defend the victims of antisemitic thuggery. Same goes for white dissenters in the days of apartheid South Africa, for anti-racist as well as antiwar activists right now in America, although here, so far at least, the suppression isn’t as pronounced as in the above-mentioned societies. What’s the antidote to such massive suppression? Certainly not unity in pursuit of jingoistic goals but mass rebellions to transform run amok militaristic societies, particularly ones such as Israel and the U.S. with their pretensions of being exceptional, and indispensable . For American Jews what this implies is not falling for the Israel uber justice racist line, but instead standing up for justice and equality, here in America as well as everywhere else, Palestine/Israel included.
The message from Brandt Rosen sounds great – energetic, invigorating and more historically in line with the Judaism I studied (tikkun olam) than ziojudaism (destroy the other) and the complete opposite of the oh woe is us/shame on you american Jews from the smug settler/colonialist yossi halevi. The only relationship that is possible with ‘israel’, thanks to the magical thinking of Theodore Herzl, the dishonest and corrupt Balfour ‘declaration’ and the cirminal masterminds of the nakba including haim weizmann, david ben gurion and all the future prime ministers of this faux borderless state, accompaniied by the mass murder/ethnic cleansing/occupation/apartheid since 1948 (why do you say the occupation is almost 50 years old and not 70?) there is no other possible ‘relationship’ with this criminal enterprise than one that is critical and hostile; you have yourself and your fellow zionists in ‘israel’ and the united states to blame. If you don’t like the way you’re perceived, facts on the ground have to change, period. Don’t expect anyone in their right mind to look at what happens in Palestinine every single day and then break out into a rousing chorus of hatikva.
JackdawSeptember 25, 2016, 12:23 am
Joan Peters was a fraud. Her book, however, was 3/4 accurate.
Avneiri’s book, is 90+% accurate.
But who cares, about the accuracy of the books, they burn so brightly when Annie tosses them into the bonfire.
JackdawSeptember 25, 2016, 12:20 am
You don’t have to look to far to find Nazis.
When is Mondoweiss going to publish an article about all the Jews, religious and otherwise, who live below the poverty line?
JackdawSeptember 25, 2016, 12:16 am
No one’s denying them a right to be there.
The clan’s name comes from the area where they’d been living, ‘the Ghor’, which means a depression or valley. This non-Bedouin clan came from the Dead Sea region.
REALITY CHECK 101September 24, 2016, 11:52 pm
I will address this to hophmi:
Misdirecting the blame..or at least spreading it around (to Obama, Bush/Cheney, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia) so that the real prime movers (Jews) are invisible in the mix, is the job of the media and israel’s hundreds of internet shills…like hophmi..
According to (Israel’s) Haaretz correspondent Aluf Benn writing on the eve of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Sharon and his cohorts “envision a domino effect, with the fall of Saddam Hussein followed by that of Israel’s other enemies: Arafat, Hassan Nasrallah, Bashar Assad, the ayatollah in Iran and maybe even Muhammar Gadaffi.” By presenting the US with facts-on-the-ground and using its US lobby, Israel would keep itself at the heart of American plans for the Middle East.
The ouster of Assad could represent an “opportunity for us.” -Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the U.S. -Christian Science Monitor 10/25/11
“One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please, That’s our mission…” -Jewish Neocon Michael Ledeen 2002
“Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict.” -Jewish NeoCon Daniel Pipes in National Review 4/12/13
“Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here.” -Alon Pinkas (Former Israeli Consul general)
This is a very abbreviated list and there are even more damning statements I could add here…but I believe they are all Jews.
echinococcusSeptember 24, 2016, 10:35 pm
Again, what “true declared 1948 borders. They are Israels only legitimate borders”? They are totally worthless and illegitimate. There can be no justification to colonialists stealing territory to give it to settler-colonialists, under the pretended aegis of the UN Charter, which totally forbade such a thing.
As you say: “True…the UN had and has no Mandate to carve foreign nations up.”
If “true”, how the hell are “48 borders. .. Israels only legitimate borders”? Try to make sense, man.
“There is no way now to feasibly turn back the clock” How is that in any way or wise an argument regarding the rights of the Palestinian people, even if it were true? Anyway, it’s just your personal opinion against a slew of historical precedents. You are in fact saying that once I illegally occupy your house and expel you, you lose all rights to it.
“Palestine was carved up to solve the displaced Jews and stateless jews problem in Europe and give them a home. Intent was honourable.”
Honourable my @$$. In 1945 Nazifascism was defeated and stamped to the ground. All displaced persons, including those of the Jewish persuasion, could return home and participate in rebuilding their countries. Even if the despicable US propaganda against socialist countries convinced a lot of people, that does not make those calling themselves Jewish any different than the many millions who weren’t –but giving a free pass to the Zionists was “honorable”?
How is that?
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 10:06 pm
“I’m strictly roots.”
i knew it, its a roots ting,
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 9:29 pm
This is for Annie where is Annie,
you can’t lie to Ireland, America
inbound39September 24, 2016, 8:58 pm
He certainly loves theatrical and fictional melodrama.
inbound39September 24, 2016, 8:55 pm
I made no mention of Jews persay. So I did not conflate Jews. I did conflate the Israeli Government and American Governments. They are ALL BUT one and the same these days given Israeli interference and infiltration into the US Government.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 8:53 pm
green grows the lily right among the bushes
inbound39September 24, 2016, 8:32 pm
What Halevi is saying is the Israeli’s bit off more than they could chew. The Palestinians did not fall to their knees and thank the European Jewish settlers for rescuing them and saving them nor did they thank them for stealing their land and resources. And, we, outside of Israel are apparently uneducated. Halevi needs to learn that colonization legally ended in 1945. They were illegally given half of Palestine in violation of democratic process. The majority of the inhabitants of Palestine were against division of the land. Halevi plays victim and wants us all to feel sorry for Israeli’s. Nup!….ain’t gonna happen. Plainly and simply Israel is illegitimate due to Israeli unlawful actions and crimes…….Own it Mr Halevi!
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 8:28 pm
Salaamu alaikum Sista Kate, wallahi barikficum,
i hope this works darling, Pat remembers man to man is so unjust
inbound39September 24, 2016, 7:49 pm
I concede Mooser…..I posted that after having my painkillers for the day…they have a lot to answer for. I put my coffee in the fridge to heat it up often then lose my coffee….lol
inbound39September 24, 2016, 7:38 pm
True…the UN had and has no Mandate to carve foreign nations up. Palestine was carved up to solve the displaced Jews and stateless jews problem in Europe and give them a home. Intent was honourable. What was dishonourable was ignoring the majority of inhabitants in Palestine who opposed it.
There is no way now to feasibly turn back the clock. Frankly I would like to see Israel erased as a State. It has kept none of its Sovereign obligations,and furthermore, it should be banished from the UN given it recieved full UN membership by implementing Resolution 194, which it has never done so its place in the UN is illegitimate. Fact is it declared its borders to those as defined by Resolution 181 and it agreed to abide by the conditions of 181.
That,above, is a reasonable start point. I am not talking about rewarding Israel any stolen territory. In my view the International Community needs to roll Israel back behind its true declared 1948 borders thus allowing Gaza and West bank to reconnect as it was under the Partition. It recreates two contiguous states and a fair division.
I also believe Palestine deserves the right to have a Defensive Military Force to deter Israel from attacking it. The only threat to Palestine historically has been Israel. Palestinians quite rightfully have a right to self defence. Maybe Putin can supply them with S400 Anti Aircraft systems to ensure no airspace violations from Israel.
Israel needs to be made to pay just compensation for property stolen and displacement of Palestinians and the loss of their homes. Israel needs to be made to understand that the onus is on them to prove they are worthy of trust and until they prove that all international borders should be closed to ALL Israeli citizens. The World needs to be firm and show no tolerance for Israeli pedantics or semantics.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 7:06 pm
” I would marry………….. it to a figure skater”
ah you got my hopes up, i can see both sides now i may mingus a hejira ( yeah that third bottle of red was a dog eat dog, i want an adjournment there is only whisky left and the ladies of the canyon are a turbulent indigo chalk mark in a storm,
ok i am no I will win in one relying on my deep knowledge of Jews, Reinnette, you have no answer, Joni ok, but Reinette to king 4.
Reinette L’oranaise, nhabek nhabek, don’t get the wrong idea, but Reinnette always wins in these kind of things, you can’t deny her. you can’t tame this tiger. Jewish too. I once saw her autograph, every man in the room started sweating, fear its Mummy but scary Mummy. Nhabek?
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 7:03 pm
“Jews get along with everyone else just fine, thanks”
Exactly. It’s only Zionists who don’t. How much longer you figure the world’s Jews will go on sacrificing their own interest in getting along for Zionism’s interest in not getting along?
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 6:56 pm
I don’t pop no style, myself. I’m strictly roots.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 6:29 pm
woeful, the picture is all israel stylee but he has no idea how to do it 12 tribes stylee listen and learn, Nativ I am doing my best for you little petal but this is manly stuff, Israel stylee, do try to get a fucking grip, don’t try the dub till you are sure your testosterone levels are adequate for such exertions,
12 tribes stylee,
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 5:55 pm
“running on reduced resources”
hey ring the alarm, but still the champion
MHughes976September 24, 2016, 5:43 pm
You mean that they talk like comic strip characters and might get insufferably tedious? Must say, though, that Captain Nativ is a terrific stage name.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 5:35 pm
“BTW, having kids you can’t afford to raise is idiotic”
I have always wondered why wombs aren’t coin operated. “afford” no one can afford kids, they are cosmic what happened to you, soulless freak.
Typee: by Herman Melville, read it! that epic failure and greatest American of all time, he shouldn’t have gone to yellow stone with Hawthorne but there was no issue….just a blank sheet.
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 5:02 pm
Hiya, “Kathleen”! Mondowiess was off-line Sunday and Monday of last week for service to the server. It seems the project or repairs didn’t get done in those two days, and the site is running on reduced resources for now. That’s my guess.
CitizenSeptember 24, 2016, 4:24 pm
We can’t even get the US government to stop indirect aid to illegal or at least “problematic” settlement expansion via US charitable NGOs though which American Jews fund said settlements at general US taxpayers additional expense via income tax deductions. Not to mention, it’s technically against US law to fund any state violating US law constricting all funding of gross civil rights violators and state’s using US supplied weapons to abuse the locals.
CitizenSeptember 24, 2016, 4:16 pm
CitizenSeptember 24, 2016, 4:13 pm
Yes, basically the US bribed Egypt and Israel to stay peaceful with each other, which allowed Israel not to have to worry about their shared border. The formula was Israel got X$ amount of aid each year, and Egypt got a much smaller % of that number, so together, they drained about 20%+ of TOTAL US aid to the world. Now That Israel is getting $38 billion for the next decade package, I don’t know if that formula respecting Egypt still holds–I have not heard anything about it, have you?
And btw, other countries getting big sums of such foreign aid are countries we attacked, devastated, occupied for a long duration, e.g., Iraq.
CigarGodSeptember 24, 2016, 4:01 pm
MHughes976September 24, 2016, 3:59 pm
It does seem strange that anyone should link the rights of people living and breathing now to inscriptions of 1200 BCE! But historical does tend to get politicised.
Davidovits’ deconstruction of Petrie’s was unknown to me – there’s something to be learned everyday! I was following the account in the Oxford History of the Biblical World, which does contain quite a bit of conjecture, particularly in linking some temple iconography with the Stela’s words. To some extent my point would survive Davidovits, since the iconography in question does seem to suggest that the Egyptians of that tine thought of the people of Canaan as fairly homogeneous in culture, ie did not regard the Israelites, if they were indeed there, as an anomalous, alien or conquering group.
Philip Davies, currently Chair of the Palestine Exploration Fund, has recently done a second edition of his ‘In Search of Ancient Israel’. He doesn’t seem to have taken account of Davidovits.
An opprtunity to advertise, particularly to fellow residents of Berkshire! Davies is addressing the Reading Classical Association on May 11, 2017, on ‘Which Ancient Israel Really Existed?’ (7.30 Humanities Building G74). Should be fun. I’ll remember to ask him about D’vits.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 3:45 pm
“the fate of the Jews under Jewish leadership”
M.Rachid Rida denounced all Muslim Rulers through out history, he thought Islam should rule, he died in ’35 and we still haven’t heard from Islam or even simple decency yet, still waiting by the phone
I vote Trumpton, the old and English will understand which means they will “feel me” in American.
gamalSeptember 24, 2016, 3:32 pm
“I cannot say the same about many Palestinians which is a crying shame.”
they just don’t deserve you Blake, try Syrians they are available, active and like you are committed or at least they should be.
Because you do activism? facebook posts? your sacrifice is appreciated, baked a cake today? and nary a word or picture.
“He who would do good to another must do it in minute particulars, general good is the plea of the scoundrel, hypocrite and flatterer, for art and science can not exist but in minutely organized particulars”
Blakes it seems are variable.
So it’s just the Palestinians having too many children? Last I looked, the illegal Orthodox settlers seem to be just as prolific. And while the Palestinians’ reason may be to not be well informed about the modern ways of birth control, you can bet the American-transplanted settlers are. They CHOOSE to have 10 or more kids per family in an attempt to match the Arab birthrate – in fact, I believe their main purpose in moving to Israel is demographic ( aka facts on the ground).
Kay24September 24, 2016, 2:16 pm
Kathleen, I agree that Clinton has questionable ties with many Jewish/Israeli people, but then that will be acceptable by most people here. After all Israel is our only “true” ally in the ME, and the recipient of the most aid we bestow on any nation, in this case a wealthy one. Israel is privileged and always has been smothered in love by our politicians and media.
Russia is the big Devil that we despise and have no affection for, and it will be laughable to see Drumpfette make nice with them, after all the rumors say he has many business links to it worth millions. We are going to be in a fine mess whoever wins.
silamcuzSeptember 24, 2016, 1:26 pm
A sure sign of Zionist hatred of Jewish people is how they treat anti-Zionist Jews compared to anti-Zionist non-Jews, even if these are Arabs or Palestinians. If they really possessed a sense of love of Jews or Jewish people, it would only make sense that this love is unconditional of their political stance. After all, political differences are fundamental aspects of a human society that will never go away. Therefore hating someone from the group you claim to love because they disagree with your politics seems rather dishonest and insincere.
Yet, whether it’s in Israel or America, the typical reaction of Israel and pro-Israel groups towards anti-Zionist Jews is one of pathological hatred instead of indifference or sympathy for fellow Jews who are ideologically led astray. This hatred is actually more acute than the simplistic, superficial hatred they reserve for the Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims. These people would spend more time and money in attempting to destroy the lives of anti-Zionist Jews than they would to kill Palestinians or preach Zionism.
James CanningSeptember 24, 2016, 1:16 pm
George Wallace did not propose that American blacks be put into their own country.
LeeMort1September 24, 2016, 1:13 pm
Very good analysis of the basic issues. Just a couple factual points. George Wallace was not the “Dixiecrat” candidate for president in 1968. He ran on the ticket of the American Independent Party, which may still exist in California. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina was the Dixiecrat candidate for president in 1948, after breaking with the Democrats for their first tentative embracing of civil rights. Thurmond became a Republican in 1964.
KathleenSeptember 24, 2016, 12:59 pm
Here at Mondoweiss you used to be able to tap your name to see your comments and the comments of others to look at responses. Not working any longer. I am a bit backwards with all of this.
KathleenSeptember 24, 2016, 12:58 pm
Senator Elizabeth Warren’s statements about the middle east, Palestine/Israel all line up with the neocons/Hillary Clinton/Wolfowitz/Dennis Ross.
WaterbuoySeptember 24, 2016, 12:57 pm
‘hopmi’: It is you, not ‘inbound39’ who is conflating Israeli behaviour with ‘Jews’. What are you? Some kind of bloody hateful Antisemite?
KathleenSeptember 24, 2016, 12:55 pm
Phil this has been at the top of Huffington Post all morning. As if the U.S. and Clinton etc are not beholden to Israel. As if Clinton’s advisors to don’t have very corrupt ties to Israel.
FED PROBE: TRUMP ADVISOR IN KREMLIN POCKET?
U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin
link to yahoo.com
“U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials — including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president, according to multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue.
The activities of Trump adviser Carter Page, who has extensive business interests in Russia, have been discussed with senior members of Congress during recent briefings about suspected efforts by Moscow to influence the presidential election, the sources said. After one of those briefings, Senate minority leader Harry Reid wrote FBI Director James Comey, citing reports of meetings between a Trump adviser (a reference to Page) and “high ranking sanctioned individuals” in Moscow over the summer as evidence of “significant and disturbing ties” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin that needed to be investigated by the bureau.”
MLESeptember 24, 2016, 12:55 pm
Having too many kids is gross… Then what about the Hassids who have tons of kids and get government support?
silamcuzSeptember 24, 2016, 12:54 pm
The people who founded Israel and fought for its existence were folks who were deeply in resentment of their Jewish-otherness relative to the white European society they were part of. These folks didn’t even like the Jewishness inside of themselves, what make you think they would like other Jewish people who, practically speaking, were strangers anyway.
I have long understood that Israel not only do not possess a love of Jewish people, but they actually actively hate them. It is through this hatred they are willing and eager to exploit them in doing so many bad things that will surely haunt these folks for generations to come. It is through this root hatred they are so happy to poison the minds and souls of young innocent Jews with toxic superiority delusions and blind hatred of Arabs, Islam, equality and universal human rights. The only Jews Israel “love” are the ones who are Jews in all but name. Those who loyalties are not to the Torah, to the Jewish God, to Jewish culture and traditions and values, but to the Golden Calf in the form of the State of Israel.
You don’t actively fool your child into thinking he is superior to his friends when he is not and deserve the privilege to hate and oppress others that YOU don’t like, because you love them. Eventually such an upbringing while may give you some sort of sick sense of pleasure and accomplishment, will only serve to greatly damage the psychological state of the child as he grows into an adult, facing the real world by themselves.
The people who built Israel and rule it are beholden only to themselves and their vices. Not much different from common criminals running a criminal enterprise. Jews are loved and cherished, of course, but only as long as they tow the Zionist line. Stray from it and you are now the enemy that must be neutralized.
WaterbuoySeptember 24, 2016, 12:53 pm
Actually, Syria was a secular democracy until 1947 when they refused a pipeline and Standard Oil of New York managed to get the CIA to overthrow them…. just 5 years before Iran’s secular democracy was overthrown by the CIA (and British Secret Service) to install THEIR murderous dictator…. of course that led to the Islamic Revolution.
Then ‘we’ stood idly by while the terrorist Hagannah, Irgun, Stern Gang did their genocide and ethnic cleansing.
No, Hophmi, Israel isn’t entirely responsible for the situation…. but they certainly do what they can to destabilize. They want (more of) Syria and Lebanon’s water, Gaza’s gas… etc.
KathleenSeptember 24, 2016, 12:52 pm
Indeed. Sure miss new post by the Leverett’s, You?
Thank goodness for the monumental efforts to inform the public about the situation on Iran based on facts. Even though MSNBC host like Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell would not have them on. We did have Melissa Harris Perry who had Hillary on about five times I believe.
Hell even Diane Rehm did not have them on during the fight for the Iran deal. Pathetic
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 12:45 pm
Who can blame them for calling for “separation”? Who knows better than American Jews the awful consequences of allowing Jews to mix with non-Jews?
WaterbuoySeptember 24, 2016, 12:45 pm
Quite astounding the unconcious bias in the NYT article. Thanks for the link.
The headline (which is all many will read) was about an assault by Hesbollah on some unfortunate Israeli soldiers.
“Hezbollah antitank missiles killed two Israeli soldiers as they drove in a disputed area along the Lebanese border on Wednesday, a sharp retaliation for Israel’s deadly drone strike last week that killed six Hezbollah fighters and an Iranian general.
The attack was the most severe eruption of hostilities in the area since the fierce enemies’ devastating monthlong war in 2006 and threatened to incite a significant escalation…”
Most severe eruption since 2006…. well except, of course, for the ‘eruption’ a week earlier which killed six…. but, of course that doesn’t really count, does it? (at least in the mind of J.Rudoren et al)
DmeshSeptember 24, 2016, 12:15 pm
“Apartheid now! Apartheid forever!” Is what israel is really saying. Israel did support apartheid (which means “separate, apart”) in South Africa with weapons even after the UN weapons embargo.
Just a few decades after the holocaust, jews in Israel and SA supported white supremacists who were walking down the same dark road the nazis did.
A famous hollywood producer, arnon milchan, confessed on israeli tv to laundering money to help facilitate these weapons transfers…then came back to america and won an oscar for ” 12 years a slave”. The irony is apalling! – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
BlakeSeptember 24, 2016, 12:10 pm
I do all I can to spread the word about the Palestinian plight. I cannot say the same about many Palestinians which is a crying shame. When I challenged a facebook friend who always asks me to like his pics as to why he had never – in all the years I had known him – liked just one of my posts he blatantly said because I do activism. I said that is what you as a Palestinian should be doing which for a brief moment hit a wall of silence until the subject hastily changed.
DmeshSeptember 24, 2016, 12:09 pm
Israel did support apartheid (which means “separate, apart”) with weapons even after the UN weapons embargo. Just a few decades after the holocaust, jews in Israel and SA supported white supremacists who were walking down the same dark road the nazis did. A famous hollywood producer, arnon milchan, confessed on israeli tv to laundering money to help facilitate these weapons transfers…then came back to america and won an oscar for ” 12 years a slave”. The irony is apalling!
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 12:00 pm
“They say world history shows that whenever the Jewish community anywhere, ever, was dependent on non-Jewish leadership…”
And what do they say about the fate of the Jews under Jewish leadership? How does that work out?
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 11:54 am
“Illogical crappolla written for folk who’re either incapable of thinking for themselves or incapable of simple maths”
Or maybe they think this ad is an effective counter to the BLM and Palestine Solidarity ads?
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 11:41 am
“One woman and one man, two children = 50% children.”
And the Palestinian population is now more than the Zionist population for the first time since the Nakba!
Thanks “Jackdaw” for helping to bring that about.
a blah chickSeptember 24, 2016, 11:40 am
The trouble with banning Steve (he’s a disgrace to the name) Grover is that his opinions are sadly mainstream in Zionist discourse. We have our work cut out for us.
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 11:38 am
“her being a signatory to that repugnant nuke deal too.”
Israel signed the NPT? That’s great. Now Israel can be as nuclear-legal as Iran.
Annie RobbinsSeptember 24, 2016, 11:36 am
when people tell me and my wife to ‘make more babies
my distractions aside? jack, you’ve taken the cake here for distractions.
Take your pick.
so besides the joan peters copy cat you have no references to back up your distraction, got it. nada — finito
a blah chickSeptember 24, 2016, 11:33 am
“I have to brief my boss, my commander, who’s a really important guy.(!!!!!) Before he goes to brief the prime minister, or the minister of defense, or the IDF chief of staff, and then they will have to decide what they want to do, if they want to retaliate or not, how they want to retaliate.”
I think we have the definitive answer as to why those Lebanese athletes didn’t want Israelis on their bus.
MooserSeptember 24, 2016, 11:28 am
“Actually , In June 2016 The number of Palestinians living in historical Palestine have exceeded the number of Jews for the first time since the Nakba. “
Yes! Love to hear it!
Liberal and Zionist seem to go together as well as compassionate and conservative. When the ‘liberal’ Zionists are calling for Apartheid it shows just how far Israel has gone down the road to self-destruction
CitizenSeptember 24, 2016, 10:59 am
Zionists think that only a Jewish majority democratic state will insure the future of all Jews will remain in Jewish hands. They say world history shows that whenever the Jewish community anywhere, ever, was dependent on non-Jewish leadership, in a crunch of mass denizen revolt, the Jews were kicked to the curb. The pogroms that have arose in the West were actually part of more primary peasant revolts, something not often acknowledged in Jewish History classes, in my experience, where socio-economic context is too often ignored, the explanation being ancient Jew Hatred arising from, I guess, Gentile DNA, and/or White leadership employing scape goat manipulation to divert attention from their own exploitation of the commoners, using Jews as their agents. That rational needs to be addressed. Merely pointing out that Palestinians are innocent, and the Shoah does not therefore justify what Israel does today as two wrongs don’t make a right–is not denting that Zionist rational, justification of what Israel is doing today.
I may have missed it, but is anyone tackling said justification, and in any depth? If so, where?
a blah chickSeptember 24, 2016, 10:46 am
“…why do Zionist JSILis deny that the Nakba happened?”
Because so much of Zionist propaganda is based on the myth that the Jewish immigrants in Palestine only fought the Palestinians because they (the Palestinians) rose up and tried to destroy the fledgling Jewish state. If you show that the ethnic cleansing began many months before then that whole founding myth crumbles. People might start asking why Palestinian refugees, unlike every other refugee in the world, are not allowed to return home.
It’s a nice, cozy little world of white privilege and power a few Ashkenazi Jewish families have created for themselves and they’ll be damned if anyone is going to mess with it.
Note how the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Peace is using a map that shows the occupied Golan Heights as being part of Israel (contrary to international law).
More Zionist propaganda.