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“As a Palestinian I can tell you that the arabs for the most part are united, particularly around the plight of the Palestinian people. There are Jordanians and Lebanese that are not fond of the Palestinians because they feel they are a burden on their societies as refugees..”
I would be interested in hearing more about this. I knew in the Lebanon Palestinians are not given full rights to take part f.ex. in the “working life” and so, but about Jordan, I did not know. But now since f.ex. Saudi-Arabia has close relations to U.S., what do you think is their opinion on the matter and what about Egypt, which also seems to be in close relations to Saudi Arabia?? Since Saudis are important to U.S. it would be usefull for the Palestinians to have their support (all though otherwise that country is not really a place where the human rights would be any more appriciated than they are in Israel)..
Anyway, if you have some kind of idea of which arabic countries would support the rights of the Palestinians, I would be interested in hearing.. It would be usefull to get a wider picture of this issue, since I have recently learned to know how huge is the influence of the Zionists in the U.S.
“How come this Arab people you call Palestinians, never produced any literature highlighting and documenting their lives and history?”
how embarrassing, i mean popular texts are available in English say Amin Maalouf, here the notes will help you, there a lot of fadhail literature but it’s voluminous, why not try Amnon Cohens “Jewish Life Under Islam”, or you could just let ignorance be your shield and idiocy your armour.
Shafi was from Gaza, but we buried him in the Mukattam.
A “non”-Zionist? I didn’t realize it was possible to stay still on a moving train.
Jews were quite safe in the Arabic-and-Persian-and-Turkish speaking world (Muslim-majority countries), up until 1947 or so, far more so than they ever were in European/Christian countries! So, I certainly disagree with the burning zionist.
JMS and his like the epitome of the problem. He is the essence of soft Zionism. His take is that it is “all so very worrying that people can`t get on with each other”, “they really should be good neighbours” and there is no big problem here which cannot be overcome via dialogue. In many ways he and his kind in their self delusion and self denial are even more gruesome than the crazy right wing Zionist zealots. Poor cuddly Zio Dani Dayan has been through the mill recently. He should ask this Danish Israeli ?! to refresh his Hasbara scripts. In fact why not team up as a Zio double act. JMS as the straight man and Dayan as the joker.
Thanks for sharing an interesting set of facts – context is everything – tough choice for Radiohead – easy choice for Palestinians (boycott Radiohead)
Hoping so – be a better world if so
Stay strong and thank you for your courage and insights.
There is an assault on the free press everywhere these days, including America where billionaires have started funding law suites of others to attack 1st amendment rights – see – http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-white-gawker-first-amendment-20160614-snap-story.html
Slippery slope – even slippier with Trump at the helm – I predict many more lawsuits against the not so mainstream media all funded by big money in an effort to suppress and bully journalist into writing about safe/uncontroversial topics
(From August 2014) Dutch nonagenarian returns Righteous Among the Nations medal after six relatives killed in Gaza
“And the reason why one established the Zionist movement, was because Jews could not be safe around the world – in Europe, in Russia and in the Arab world. So Jews, or the Zionists, in 1890’s wanted to have a state, where police and military would not turn a blind eye when Jews were persecuted.”Sousa
Well , that dream came true , But !!!!
Now the Israeli police and military turn a blind eye when Palestinians are being persecuted.
“Because it can…OK, let me put it like this: It must be the world’s smallest and most insignificant war crime, when one takes the rest of the Middle East [into consideration]. Let’s just look at the Middle East, all the atrocities that occur, that it should then be so important whether there are some Jews living 2-3 KM from Jerusalem. I’m sorry, I don’t get it.”Sousa.
An insignificant WAR CRIME.
Jews living just 2-3 KM from Jerusalem ???.
What is this guy smoking.There are 700,000 0f them of which more than half are living deep into Palestinian territory.
Sorry , but I had to stop reading at that point.
Good piece, Jack Gain. Unfortunately, as Jonny Greenwood’s wife appears to be a rather solid Zionist (take a quick look at her recent twitter feed…), my assumption is that so is Jonny. So I guess the options, as far as Radiohead supporting BDS, are either split up a marriage, or split up a band. Rather obviously Apartheid is a worse option than either of the those two in the big picture. But Radiohead doesn’t see that. Bummer…
Herod’s mother was ‘Cypros, of a distinguished Arab family’ – J Antiquities XIV 121. Note Greek name. This was a time of cultural mixing. The Idumaeans seem to have been an important part of the population of Judaea in Hellenistic times, with Hebron as their main centre. They had come under increasing pressure to conform to the strict customs of Hasmonean Judaism, though their leading families were taking a more and more prominent place in Hasmonean society, ending up with the kingship itself. Who was what could be problematic. Herod was called ‘a half-Jew’ by his Hasmonean rival Antigonus, which alluded to the Biblical principle that no foreigner could be King. It’s interesting that in practice Herod could overcome that problem, to be both Arab and Jew – the latter he certainly was by religious commitment.
The Zionists do a good job of fogging up the most basic issues because most Americans know so little actual facts about the Israel-Palestine conflict. This is because the US mainstream media does not do its constitutional job of informing the US public. Instead, it misinforms & parrots hasbara on this issue. This is treason by stealth & sets up the USA as a patsy for Zionist agenda. It’s lethal, very UnAmerican even while it is praised by main media & US government officials as supporting America’s “judea-christian values”–
I think that the Wall is of problematic origin. I do think that it’s clear that the Temple Mount site was expanded artificially – it grew (Galor and Bloedhorn Archaeology of Jerusalem p. 76-77) beyond the natural Mount Moriah by a remarkable feat of engineering. Josephus refers to this expansion in Antiquities XV 398, though he thinks it goes back to So,omon’s time. This is the passage where he gives the dimension of 1 square stade for the Temple, considered rather too small. G and B provide plans and images, which may not be wholly plausible but don’t look impossible to me, for what that’s worth, A lot of the esplanade seems to be unused and the Antonia fortress has rather a toytown look. The relationship between Temple and fortress is not yet understood.
Mind you, the fundamental human rights which Talkback mentions are quite well understood, though obscured by shameful and cruel rhetoric, and they are the important thing.
Karma is natural and inevitable.
And he/she spews forth his/her nonsense alongside fatbastard.
The Palestinians have zero historical claims to the city.”
The total population of West Jerusalem (the New City) and East Jerusalem (the Old City) and their environs was about 200,000 with a slight Arab majority. (Professor Walid Khalidi, Harvard, “Plan Dalet,” Journal of Palestine Studies, Autumn, 1988, p. 17)
The total land area of West Jerusalem (the New City) in 1947 was 19,331 dunams (about 4,833 acres) of which 40 per cent was owned by Palestinian Muslims and Christians, 26.12 per cent by Jews and 13.86 per cent by others, including Christian communities.
Government and municipal land made up 2.90 per cent and roads and railways 17.12 per cent.
East Jerusalem (the Old City) consisted of 800 dunams (about 240 acres) of which five dunams (just over one acre) were Jewish owned and the remaining 795 dunams were owned by Palestinian Muslims and Christians. (“Assessing Palestinian Property in the City,” by Dalia Habash and Terry Rempel, Jerusalem 1948: The Arab Neighbourhoods and their Fate in the War, edited by Salim Tamari, The Institute of Jerusalem Studies, 1999, map, pp. 184-85)
I meant the following.
Muslims don’t depend on miracles from the text of the Quran. They consider the text of the Quran to be miraculous. The Hebrew Bible is quite close to the Chronicles of Narnia. The Chronicles of Narnia contains mythic material reworked by CS Lewis. The Hebrew Bible contains mythic nonsense reworked during the Persian imperial period.
It’s important to make a distinction between the leaders in the arab world and the arab street. As a Palestinian I can tell you that the arabs for the most part are united, particularly around the plight of the Palestinian people. There are Jordanians and Lebanese that are not fond of the Palestinians because they feel they are a burden on their societies as refugees. A burden created by the Zionist criminals.
The Jebusite/Canaanites, ancestors of today’s Palestinians, founded Jerusalem around 3000 BCE. Originally known as Jebus, the first recorded reference to it as “Rushalimum” (or “Urussalim”) appears in Egyptian Execration Texts of the nineteenth century BCE, nearly 800 years before it is alleged King David was born.
BTW, thus far, no real archaeological evidence, or more importantly, writings of contemporaneous civilizations have been discovered that prove that Solomon or David actually existed. To quote Jewish Israeli writer/columnist, Uri Avnery: “[David and Solomon’s] existence is disproved, inter alia, by their total absence from the voluminous correspondence of Egyptian rulers and spies in the Land of Canaan.” (“A Curious National Home,” by Uri Avnery, May 13/17 –
Agreed. Between Abbas and Bibi things look bad. When a true leader of the people surfaces the Zionists are quick to jail him and minimize his exposure to the outside world. I predict more detentions coming up as BDS grows.
“We have been saying all along that a large majority of Palestinians now in Israel came from neighboring areas.”
It seems like many others, you have been duped by Joan Peters’ long since debunked mountain of mendacity, “From Time Immemorial…”
Dr. Porath, one of Israel’s leading demographic historians, called Peters’ book a “forgery… [that] was almost universally dismissed [in Israel] as sheer rubbish except maybe as a propaganda weapon.”(New York Times, Nov.28, 1985)
Rabbi Arthur Herzberg, vice-president of the World Jewish Congress, agreed: “I think that she’s cooked the statistics…. The scholarship is phony and tendentious. I do not believe that she has read the Arabic sources that she quotes.”(ibid)
To again quote Professor Porath: “The precise demographic history of modern Palestine cannot be summed up briefly, but its main features are clear enough and they are very different from the fanciful description Mrs. Peters gives…. [S]he has apparently searched through documents for any statement to the effect that Arabs entered Palestine. But even if we put together all the cases she cites, one cannot escape the conclusion that most of the growth of the Palestinian Arab community resulted from a process of natural increase.” (“Mrs. Peters’ Palestine” New York Review of Books, 16 January 1986.)
Thanks for sharing Jack. I was unaware that Radiohead had publically taken a stand against Israel by wishing Karma on one of their soldier criminals.
I was amazed that Roger Waters and other artist were unable to dissuade Radiohead from playing in Israel. I have read the back and forth between Yorke and Waters and found Yorke to be suspiciously defensive and less the man I thought he was. Angry and accusatory with little substance in his defence for playing in an apartheid state. His response to Waters essentially said – we’re big boys and can make up our own mind – don’t talk down to us – nothing is black and white – noam chomsky and others don’t believe in BDS – blah blah blah. Nothing about the facts – about the U.N. concluding that Israel is IN FACT an apartheid state.
The power of Israeli Hasbara should never be underestimated – even if not completely believable it muddies the waters enough for the likes of Yorke to rationalize the band’s presence in Israel.
Unfortunately I am unable to enjoy Radiohead’s music as I once did and wish them nothing more than Karma. History will log their presence in aparthied Israel playing to crowds full of supporters of a colonial racist ideology known as Zionism.
Why is Emet allowed to use the phrase Abu Adolf Mazen and thus to equate the victims of white racist genocidal European settler colonist invaders with German Nazis?
As a matter of modern critical comparative history, Netanyahu is far more like Adolf Hitler while one might see similarities between Abbas and Vidkun Quisling — I think Abbas probably comes closer to Maréchal Pétain.
Muslims don’t depend on miracles from the text of the Quran. They consider the text of the Quran to be miraculous. The Hebrew Bible is much closer to the Chronicles of Narnia than the Hebrew Bible which contains mythic nonsense reworked during the Persian imperial period.
“How come this Arab people you call Palestinians, never produced any literature highlighting and documenting their lives and history?”
Fake claim , I can send links to book writen about Palestine and Palestinians over a thousand year ago.
“The first recorded mention of Jerusalem was in Hebrew.”
Fake Claim e, the mention you are talking about were deemed a forgery.
“The second, the third and the 400th recorded reference to Jerusalem are from the Jewish perspective. ”
“What, nothing from the Palestinians until recent history?”
This woman/man is a spammer and a troll.
“Earliest mention of the word Jerusalem…”
The ancient papyrus you mentioned was ruled to be a fake one.
Zionsits are known with forgery of Archeological artifacts.
“Can you even read the Mishna in its original?”
No but i know that 144 Dunams is bigger than 60 Dunams…..They call it math.
” there are plenty of other references to the significance of the Western Wall ,including under Muslim rule.”
Tell that to people like Emet who says that Jews could only pray there under Jewish Rule, your issue is with her not me .
“The dimensions of the compound have varied ”
It expanded because of heat, it must be global warming….what a joke.
“The present Haram a-Sharif is probably much larger than the temple compound during the 2nd temple period.”
5 times larger to be precise, with no rational explanation why!
By the way even if you assume that the original mount (as if mountains grow!) was from the western wall to the Dome of the Rock (Highest point) that would still be more than 100 Dunams! which is 3 times the size mentioned in the Mishnah and by Flavius.
Solve this riddle for me please?
” Herod was an Arab? Herod was a Jew of Edomite origin ”
Dont take it from me , take it from the Encyclopedia Britannica.
“Herod was born in southern Palestine. His father, Antipater, was an Edomite (a Semitic people, identified by some scholars as Arab, who converted to Judaism in the 2nd century bce). Antipater was a man of great influence and wealth who increased both by marrying the daughter of a noble from Petra (in southwestern Jordan), at that time the capital of the rising Arab Nabataean kingdom. Thus, Herod was of Arab origin”
How come this Arab people you call Palestinians, never produced any literature highlighting and documenting their lives and history? Why is that do you think?
Talkback: The first recorded mention of Jerusalem was in Hebrew. The second, the third and the 400th recorded reference to Jerusalem are from the Jewish perspective. What, nothing from the Palestinians until recent history?
This spat between Abbas and Hamas is nothing new in inter Arab emnity thats why
Gaddafi’s speech to the Arab League in Syria 2008 was so prescient..
“We [the Arabs] are the enemies of one another I’m sad to say, we deceive one another, we gloat at the misfortune of one another, and we conspire against one another, and an Arab’s enemy is another Arab’s friend.
Along comes a foreign power, occupies an Arab country [Iraq] and hangs its President,and we all sit on the sidelines laughing. Any one of you might be next, yes.
If you say the same thing to your Muslim friends about the Koran, then your life will be in real danger. You don’t which makes you a simple hypocrite.
So carry on making up stories about the Palestinians. You know, if you say it enough times, then some ignoramus will start to believe you.
Montgomery, you are joking of course. If you bring up Montgomery in connection with Palestinians being associated with Blacks in the USA, then you have the protagonists of this story switched. The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs. It was the Arab Palestinians that prevented Jews from buying land. It was the Arabs who kept on attacking Jews. It was the Jordanians Arabs who banned Jews from visiting the holy sites. Its was the Arabs who destroyed synagogues in the Old City. Philip Weiss has his wires crossed it seams.
And don’t forget to mention that historically Arabs have not treated Blacks well. In fact they have treated Blacks appallingly with the slave trade as being one of their “hobbies”.
Israeli war crimes have been well documented in Gaza, the targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure etc, most Israeli excuses are that they have a right to defend themselves [from Hamas violence] Obama said as much during the last Gaza massacre. There are other war crimes committed by the Palestinian Authority which in many ways are just as bad. Abbas wanted all electricity cut to Gaza, which would mean constant electrical blackouts—up to 20 hours per day which also affect water and sanitation as well as other critical services such as health and education, did the Israeli Authorities advise Abbas that this in itself was a war crime, and explain that when we [the IDF] commit war crimes we give the excuse that we have the right to defend ourselves whereas you want to cut off electricity to Palestinian incubators and water treatment plants merely for political purposes. Disgusting.
Speaking of war crimes Gruppenfuhrer Naftali Bennett has been spreading Zionist love and humanity again:
“The IDF is the most moral army in the world. I served as a company commander in Jenin, Qabatiya, Ramallah and Gaza. We never, ever used unnecessary force.”
This is the same Herr Bennett who when goosestepping around the occupied territories in his “most moral”uniform got a real kick out of killing Arabs:
Apparently killing defenceless Untermenschen prisoners is not “unnecessary force” – no really it`s just well like the “moral” thing to do.
Zaid: “Emet, Jews were not ethnically cleansed from anywhere in Palestine , you are projecting what the Israelis did on the Palestinians.”
The Jews of the Jewish quarter were expelled after their surrender If your opinion is that Palestine includes all of historic Palestine than these Jews are at least internally displaced persons.
zaid: The “Western Wall” is not a Jewish Site. and Jews never considered the place of any importance prior to the 19th Century. The wall is part of Alqsa Mosque …”
ROFL The wall was build as an EXPANSION of the Second JEWISH Temple.
Zaid: “… which means it is exclusively a Palestinian/ Muslim Site.”
You seem to suffer from the same exclusivism Zionists do.
Don’t be mean Zaid. Of course the Jews of the Jewish quarters were forced to leave after their surrender.
And Araftbastard, Emet and Jon s also admitted that more than 750,000 Nonjewish Palestinians wer expelled and that more than 400 of their villages were razed by Jewish terrorists and seperatists. They also support the right of retun for everybody, not only Jews.
They are not like these soulless supremacist shmocks who are caught in denial and dehumanize others by ignoring their fundamental human rights.
She’s being truthful, honest
Most Americans never heard of Rabbi Hillel and they don’t view the Ten Commandments as a foreign policy directive
Zaid- the rabbis, to whom we entrust interpretation and tradition regarding Mishna Middos (or Midot), agree as one, that the forbidden areas are on what is called the Temple Mount. Can you even read the Mishna in its original?
Yes, amigo. And you basically beat me to it:
Barak: “History will never forgive us if we don’t stop in time the new incarnation of Jewish blind zealousness and bigotry.” Uhh… If we don’t stop in time? You’re a little late, Ehud. That train left the station ’bout a century ago.
Uhhh…. Linda. Now can you please tell us what the average Palestinian wants done with Israel?
Linda? Are you there? Linda!
The normal and time-worn solution would be to have one state providing equal rights and representation for all those residing within its borders. That would be anathema to Zionists.
10 posts already, and the usual John 66 or 61 or whatever he numbers himself is playing everybody like a violin to yet again deviate all discussion to the moronically insignificant –the fame of late Ms Beatty McNulty about whom he knows jackshit. Not that he even offered a rebuttal to her book with facts or anything, just keeps on and on.
The way he once again got a rise from us, I suppose he deserves a pay hike from his Propaganda-Abteilung.
Of the many jarring statements made by Oppenheim the one that jumped out to me was that she wants to encourage critical analysis in schools. That would not be good for Zionism.
Tony’s comment was surely sarcasm.
1.Benjamin of Tudela made his journey when the country was under Crusader rule, but don’t worry, there are plenty of other references to the significance of the Western Wall ,including under Muslim rule.
2.The location of the temple on the Temple mount is not in question. The dimensions of the compound have varied . The present Haram a-Sharif is probably much larger than the temple compound during the 2nd temple period.
3. Herod was an Arab? Herod was a Jew of Edomite origin . Years before his birth, the Hasmonean ruler John Hyrcanus had forced the Edomites to convert.
He was not writing about the special conditions at the Aqsa, but in general.
And of course the Halacharia doesn’t even allow to sit and eat with unchosen people, let alone pray.
Good one, Hunter.
Can someone explain to me where the lack of land is within Israel that requires the building of settlements? It’s a lot of space in southern Israel, if this is just about finding spaces to build housing then I see no lack of space on the map.
Netanyahu claims to support the 2SS. How does building a settlement smack in the middle of the West Bank fit such a claim?
Thanks, Salena, for sharing.
I think it’s about time the world had a reality check on this most serious matter.
Yes, I mixed up Nicaragua and Costa Rica.
Wonder where the Palestinians rank
Nicaragua certainly seems to have a military.
They just purchased 50 Russian tanks last year.
Costs Rica does not have a formal military, but it does have a ‘police force’ armed with military grade weapons that functions at the border as an army.
“Every time I ask a “Russia!!!!” person”
we’ve known about it since Anne Quinney wrote a great article in 2007 “Excess and Identity: The Franco-Romanian Ionescu Combats Rhinoceritis” in the South Central Review
apparently cliches are toxic, well fancy that.
Gamal, we can all ignore the patently bloody obvious when we really want to.
Not having a military has certainly been good for Nicaragua, but Nicaragua does not have Israel as a neighbour.
DNA tests, Mooser? I thought every Jew had a complete, certified, family record showing every generation in direct descent from Abraham, and with no hanky-panky in the woodshed.
I thought the bad muslims didnot allow jews to pray there and only jews provided freedom of worship!
Plz forward your citation to Emet .
According to the Mishna Middot (Chapter B Paragraph A) the Temple mount was 500 x 500 Cubit which is around 60 Dunams and According to Josephous Flavius (Historian from that era) the Temple Mount was a Ris x Ris which is 36 Dunams.
The Alqsa Mount is more 144 Dunams!
So the dimensions just dont match , thus it is highly unlikely that the Temple of Herod (Arab King) existed in that area.
Thank you Salena for keeping the light shining on the atrocities committed by Zionists criminals and their lackey Egypt.
I am watching this talk by German politician Annette Groth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULUrAaa-rQ
She talks about how negative criticism of Israel is suppressed by the different parties, institutions and the media. She also said that she agrees with Gideon Levy, who apparently stated that there’s no freedom of speech in Germany when it comes to Israel.
“To quote renowned historian/anthropologist and “Holy Land” specialist, Professor Ilene Beatty:”
Seems a bit of a stretch in the description. Not renowned, historian, anthropologist, or Professor. An amateur who wrote one book that doesn’t seem to have to sold too well.
In 1948 the Jews were ethnically cleansed from the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem . The Hurva synagogue – where my grandfather and great-grandfather used to pray – was blown up by the Jordanian Arab Legion. In fact in every location in which the Arab side gained the upper hand not one Jew was left. The ethnic cleansing was total.
Yup that would be indoctrination – oops am I now branded an antisemite? Throw in antizionist as well if that makes you feel better
The world is changing, faster than you think. Wielding the antisemitic sword for criticising Zionist policies has now become laughable, inane. Back into your Zio-toolkit you go
It,s seems to me that If the PA is destroyed ( I will suffer no remorse ) they will hand the keys to Israel and let them get on with funding the Occupation and administering the occupied territories .No more paid quislings and co conspirators .
Keep up the good work Saban.
It is important to remember , when reading this guy,s advice that he is a major War Criminal.I suspect the beard is to make it easier to move around outside the Apartheid and rogue nation and avoid arrest and trial for his many many crimes.
Isn,t this the guy who went further than any , blah blah blah.
In case you are reading this Herr General , Israel is already a fascist Apartheid state.
The Western Wall is not a Jewish site? Are you serious? I wonder why all those Jews are praying there? Even if you were right about it not being considered significant before the 19th century -and you’re not!- those last 200 years should mean something.
Anyway here’s Benjamin of Tudela, writing in the 12th century:
“Jerusalem has four gates—the gate of Abraham, the gate of David, the gate of Zion, and the gate of Gushpat, which is the gate of Jehoshaphat, facing our ancient Temple, now called Templum Domini. Upon the site of the sanctuary Omar ben al Khataab erected an edifice with a very large and magnificent cupola, into which the Gentiles do not bring any image or effigy, but they merely come there to pray. In front of this place is the western wall, which is one of the walls of the Holy of Holies. This is called the Gate of Mercy, and thither come all the Jews to pray before the wall of the court of the Temple.”
(Benjamin was of course misinformed in attributing the wall to the Holy of Holies. It actually was one of the outer walls of the temple complex.)
“the strongest army in the world, almost a nuclear superpower”
The strongest army in the world when it comes to 3 a.m. raids on innocent families and the snatching detention and torture 8 to 12 year olds. Strongest army my a…. The last time this mighty army took on a serious boots on the ground offensive against Hezbollah in 2006 they were left crying for their mamas.
As for the almost nuclear superpower – whoops isn`t that giving the game away Ehud old bean.
You are supposed to be all coy and might have might not have about your nuclear arsenal.
Re: Arafatbastard:”… 2,000 Jewish inhabitants of the Jewish Quarter […] ethnically cleansed in 1948”
Samih K. Farsoun and Naseer H. Aruri ” Palestine and the Palestinians: A Social and Political History ” (p. 335, emphasis added):
Over thirty thousand of the inhabitants of the Arab villages and urban centersaround Jerusalem were driven out by force or fled the outbreak of violence, several months before two thousand Jews were forced out of the Jewish quarter in the Old City by the Jordanians. 20
20. Edward Said, “Projecting Jerusalem,” Journal of Palestine Studies 25 (Autumn tumn 1995): 7.
Benny Morris, “1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War” (separate excerpts):
In truth, however, the Jews committed far more atrocities than the Arabs and killed far more civilians and POWs in deliberate acts of brutality in the course of 1948. This was probably due to the circumstance that the victorious Israelis captured some four hundred Arab villages and towns during April-November 1948, whereas the Palestinian Arabs and ALA failed to take any settlements and the Arab armies that invaded in mid-May overran fewer than a dozen Jewish settlements.
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The fears of the [Jewish] quarter’s inhabitants proved groundless; the Legion had learned its lesson from K far `Etzion. The [Jordanian] Legionnaires deployed in force and protected the Jews from the wrath of the gathering Arab mob. The soldiers shot dead at least two Arabs and wounded others as they guarded the Jews.
One POW recalled: “We were all surprised by the Legion’s behavior toward us. We all thought that of the soldiers [that is, Haganah men] none would remain alive…. [We feared a massacre. But] the Legion protected us even from the mob, they helped take out the wounded, they themselves carried the stretchers…. They gave us food, their attitude was gracious and civil.” 193
The Legionnaires took prisoner 290 healthy males, aged fifteen to fifty-two-thirds two-thirds of them, in fact, noncombatants-and fifty-one of the wounded. The other wounded and twelve hundred inhabitants were accompanied by the Legionnaires to Zion Gate and freed. 194 The quarter was then systematically pillaged and razed by the mob. The fall of the Jewish Quarter, an important national site, dealt a severe blow to Yishuv morale.
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During the “civil war,” when the opportunity arose, Palestinian militiamen who fought alongside the Arab Legion consistently expelled Jewish inhabitants and razed conquered sites, as happened in the `Etzion Bloc and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City.
Subsequently, the Arab armies behaved in similar fashion. All the Jewish settlements conquered by the invading Jordanian, Syrian, and Egyptian armies-about a dozen in all, including Beit Ha arava, Neve Yaakov, and Atarot in the Jordanian sector; Masada and Sha’ar Hagolan in the Syrian sector; and Yad Mordechai, Nitzanim, and Kfar Darom in the Egyptian sector-were razed after their inhabitants had fled or been incarcerated or expelled.
I think it obvious Palestine would not have an army, navy or air force. Not having those forces could be something of a blessing.
Well, duh. He’s right, Bantustans are not viable. What he calls “Palestinian state” is no different than today’s situation made official.
A real bantustan, officially acknowledged as “Palestinian State”, would be a smarter way for the Zionists to continue eating up Palestine and slowly “disappear” its owners. It would cause less of a reaction in the West; it would provide the complicit governments a better pretext to continue supporting Zionist invasion. It’s all in the name, after all. The rotting carcass by a nice new name would start smelling like a rose.
The “Israeli” mob lathered up by a all the years of nationalist hysteria is now way too stupid to allow a smarter, dissimulating policy, and that is Barak’s complaint: without Zionist propaganda, no “Israel”; with it, no policy for long-term survival. As a result, media dictatorship in the US is now the only thread keeping the Zionist entity alive.
As an officially acknowledged Bantustan, Palestine would disappear not under official military occupation, but as a client “state” agreeing to the rape. They could keep the Zio soldiery. They could keep the same PA personnel, including Abbas, and continue performing with only a police department and a jail for suppressing resistance. Worse than the “independent” French state in Vichy that the Nazi were smart enough to set up right at the start of their occupation: that one, at least, didn’t experience colonial settlement.
i don’t want to worry you but there are a few indications that you may be a Prophet, you knew instinctively and all along, you told the Jews, did they listen? and you were right as now we are all in for some tribulation, I’d expect a call from Marc Ellis, congrats and all, but the band should be called Baal and the Jeremiads, none of your shrubbery is burning is it, if so take off shoes before approaching, because Mooser you will be standing on Holy ground.
“So is this denial? Who cares, that’s the way it is”
He must have touched your perfect body with his mind.
“You are quite pathetic. Jewish, but anti-Jewish.”
Yeah, there’s a lot of that going around. “Jewish, but anti-Jewish”. Terrible ain’t it?
Out-marriage rate well above 50%, “Assimilation” is even higher. Great majority of Jews neglect all observance. Anti-Zionism is gaining a strong foothold in the (read it and weep) “diaspora”
Jeez, with a good three-quarters of Jews “Jewish, but anti-Jewish”, what chance do we have? Every trend shows us disappearing, or even worse Judaism will become merely a religion!
“all the music he could have written if he’d lived longer” fair enough but we should be content with what he did write
” So is this denial? Who cares” yes, do not let the superego nag you, no need to deny because
, “that’s the way it is” yes Sista, that’s so life affirming, and there is always room for a little Lou Reed, win-win-win and then we all end up at Zappa.
“You probably think a Jew shot JR, and Mossad did Pearl Harbor, and 9/11, of course.”
If Mondo ever gets short of pelf, try approaching the English-language Zionist sites with the threat: ‘Pay up, pal, or we will send “Arafatbastard” and “Emet” and “Yonah” and the rest back to your blogs and comment threads!’
Let’s consider these clauses from Israel’s Basic Law “Human Dignity and Liberty:
“1. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.”
“8. There shall be no violation of rights under this Basic Law except by a law befitting the values of the State of Israel, enacted for a proper purpose, and to an extent no greater than is required.”
The US could adapt this:
There shall be no violation of amendments except by a law befitting the values of a Jewish state.
“i can’t stand this denigrating filth in our comment sections”
Actually it is helpful since it shows the reader what an abomination Zionisim Is and what kind of people believe in it.
“Are you really saying that the 2,000 Jewish inhabitants of the Jewish Quarter weren’t ethnically cleansed in 1948, and their property occupied by Jordanians?”
Yes i am saying that.
I have avoided reading this for some time. And now that I have read it, I am going to forget it. I am nuts about Leonard Cohen’s music, and Hallelujah is my favorite song in the word. I miss him and all the music he could have written if he’d lived longer. So is this denial? Who cares, that’s the way it is.
RoHa: “That’s pretty much the way things are now, isn’t it?”
Maybe, but it’s not efficient enough. The clause should be:
This amendment can be restricted by or on behalf of Zionists.
Oh, the hell with it.
I WAS RIGHT! I WAS F–KING PROVED RIGHT! I was appalled and repelled from the very first.
(Sorry, sorry, but I’ve been waiting a half-century. I won’t do it again)
Anyone with an IQ over room temperature “will cry ‘indoctrination.'”
“Actual Israeli accomplishments, like other human accomplishments, should be celebrated.”
And what is the “Israeli accomplishment”? Why, colonizing and stealing Palestine. And of course, Israel’s biggest “accomplishment” the Occupation. Do you know of another “Israeli accomplishment”?
.” Zionist positions are based on a mixture, to me confusing, of claims based on biological and cultural continuity”
Don’t waste your time pondering that BS.
Emet: “zaid, you are placing your Palestinian Arab brothers on thin ice here.”
By referring to an article that mentions that Ashkenazi Jews’ origin is NON-Levantine?
Emet: We have been saying all along that a large majority of Palestinians now in Israel came from neighboring areas. DNA matching will confirm this. We all call for these Arabs to go home.”
Yep. That’s the truth about the Zionism. A Nazi like genetics and soil approach based on the myth of a Jewish exile and the ludicrous claim of a “return”. According to the article you would need to sent at least all Ashkenazi Jews home, too. And who knows how much more because of Judaism’s nearly 1000 years of proselytism. It’s quite funny that you of all people call Abbas “Adolf”.
But compare your approach to the civilized rest of the world whose only legal relevant question would be: Who was a legal citizen of Palestine in 1948 and thefore had the right to self determination in Palestine and to decide Palestine’s goverment and future?
According to the numbers of the mandatory’s “Village Statistics” of 1945 most most of the Jews who entered Palestine had not acquired citizenship. Should we all call for these illegal immigrants to go home, too?
You are quite pathetic.
Jewish, but anti-Jewish.
You seem quite happy for all manner of Jew-haters to post here, but when somebody posts stuff that disrupts the voices in your head, you cry foul.
Are you really saying that the 2,000 Jewish inhabitants of the Jewish Quarter weren’t ethnically cleansed in 1948, and their property occupied by Jordanians?
Palestine is part of the Levant , and The Ancient DNA samples used in the study was from a cave in North Palestine.
Please Dont hide your disappointment Emet and face the reality , the study i linked to is the 4th one this year and all are saying the same thing, Modern Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine and Jews are not.
Now pack your bags and go back to your homeland in Europe and Anatolia. I don’t want you near my historic homeland.
So, who demolished 18 synagogues in the Eastern part of Jerusalem?
Presumably you’ve got that one down as some kind of Jewish “false flag” operation.
You probably think a Jew shot JR, and Mossad did Pearl Harbor, and 9/11, of course.
Also, have you listened to the Basque song? They sound so similar one would easily mistake them as cover versions of each other. There is no way such similarites in melody can be attributed to “unwittingly incorporating elements”. If it had happened today no studio would even dare to publish it knowing the legal implications of such blatant theft of intellectual property. Ofra committed fraud, no question about it.
Art in my view shares some principles with math. Unless the working support the final answer, the entire calculation is worthless even if you do come up with the correct answer. Art created from theft is no art.
Annie & Yoni, thanks.
“that a large majority of Palestinians now in Israel came from neighboring areas. DNA matching will confirm this. We all call for these Arabs to go home”
Of course, “DNA tests” on Jews in Israel will show Zionists are all descended directly from King David, like me!
(Gosh darn it, every goddam English-language Zionist site on the web should send Mondo a check, or at least a thank-you note. They ought to show some gratitude for all the moderation, mortification and banning Mondo saves them. )
–” Regarding Leibowitz’s attitude towards the Kotel, I am opposed to it.”
And “yonah” sings:
“I don’t know what they have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I’m against it.
Your proposition may be good,
But let’s have one thing understood,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
And even when you’ve changed it or condensed it,
I’m against it.”