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Kaisa of Finland
May 29, 2017, 7:20 pm

Mooser:

“Is called “Hansen’s Curse..”

And who was this Hansen?? A Danish sailorman??

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 7:19 pm

you are the only one here who doesn’t have some kind of hidden pro-Zionist agenda.

uh huh, the targets of all his ceaseless harping reveals his true nature.

a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds

Brewer
May 29, 2017, 7:08 pm

Very interesting take:
Trump: dancing with wolves on the Titanic.
“Robert Fisk put it best: “Trump Is About To Really Mess Up In The Middle East”. Following his fantastically stupid decision to attack the Syrian military with cruise missiles Trump or, should I say, the people who take decisions for him, probably realized that it was “game over” for any US policy in the Middle-East so they did the only thing they could do: they ran towards those few who actually were happy with this aggression on Syria: the Saudis and the Israelis. Needless to say, with these two “allies” what currently passes for some type of “US foreign policy” in the Middle-East will only go from bad to worse.”

http://thesaker.is/trump-dancing-with-wolves-on-the-titanic/

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 6:53 pm

“Japanese knotweed…”

Is called “Hansen’s Curse” (an exploratory species of plant) in Washington State, so we don’t offend people.
Don’t tell “RoHa”. The power of immigrants to control our culture would shock him into a decline.

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 6:49 pm

“Your ceaseless harping on the religious morons only might suggest that you are fine with the “normal” secular invaders and genocidaires.”

That must be it. You know what “echin”? I think you are the only one here who doesn’t have some kind of hidden pro-Zionist agenda.

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 6:35 pm

Echi

I think the fundis are an obvious tail risk given the birth rate and ignorance but I don’t have much time for Yossi secular either.I just don’t think Israel is sustainable. 1967 was ridiculous. The economy is not growing. The settlements are a joke. And nobody can stop the car crash. Plus the kids are brainwashed .

oldgeezer
May 29, 2017, 6:13 pm

@catalan

BS catty… BDS would fall apart tbe second a peace agreement was aigned and implemented regardless of what it’s initiators might want. An actual agreement mind you as there have been enough roadmaps and plans which Israel works tirelessly to ignore and destroy.

Best your last post was.feom your phone! Are the phones too small or do some of us have fingers that are too large. Hmmm

W.Jones
May 29, 2017, 6:04 pm

“I am on the left. I think we are wrong. I don’t think we are right,” said Dahlia, 71. “But I don’t want Arabs in my state. They are too different from us. I am afraid of them. I think they’re violent. I don’t think it’s their nature, but their culture. I don’t think they’re a nation. They came from I don’t know where.”

Sounds like typical Xenophobia.
Jordanians and Lebanese and non-ISIS Syrians are fine.
There are already 25% of Israelis who are Palestinian, so she is even being hateful to her own cocitizens.
If that is from a “leftist” Israeli, the xenophobia must run really really deep.

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 6:03 pm

Japanese knotweed is banned in several countries.

Catalan should move to Israel if it means so much to him. Live the fantasy . Join the fruitcakes

echinococcus
May 29, 2017, 6:01 pm

Mooser,

What’s your beef with Catalan? After all, he’s just repeating the official Zionist position.

echinococcus
May 29, 2017, 5:54 pm

Maghlawatan,

Your ceaseless harping on the religious morons only might suggest that you are fine with the “normal” secular invaders and genocidaires.

Keep the religious cavemen and may they multiply, more power to them, making life harder for all Zionists.

echinococcus
May 29, 2017, 5:49 pm

Hughes,

Ain’t that the truth. Nothing is more important than avoiding or delaying massacres.

As Mr Clinton might say, it all depends on what you mean by “say”.
The Zionists, liberal and not, have never confirmed any statement by a corresponding act, except their unerring will to eat all Palestine.

As for “what agreement it would now think fit to make”, we have a consistent answer from both wings when we bother to analyze everything they “say” that checks with their action: the cavemen faction currently in power is not settling for anything less than total possession of Palestine and the disappearance of the Palestinian people, on its own schedule. The liberal faction requests negotiations to continue as a camouflage until see above.

If you have been able to see any other message in what they’ve been “saying” since 1947, please share it with us.

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 5:49 pm

Trump is a fraud, like Zionism. Power worship and narcissism in the service of shafting people. They deserve each other.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/06/22/trump-presidency-in-peril/

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 5:31 pm

I think the swamp is running the US while Trump tweets and eats chocolate.

MHughes976
May 29, 2017, 5:27 pm

We ought not to come to the sad (mild word) conclusion that peace is not possible without putting the idea to the test by calling on everyone, particularly those with the most power, to say what they would consider to be fair terms for final status. Israel is the most powerful party. There can certainly be no agreement – and in that sense no peace – while the most powerful party to the dispute will not say what agreement it would now think fit to make. The Liberal Zionists could yet do the world a service by pressing for this situation to change.

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 5:11 pm

They are the Japanese knotweed of Zionism. They are essentially unemployable.

so i’ve heard. speaking of smart, did you know it’s illegal to let Japanese knotweed grow on your property in australia?

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 4:57 pm

They won’t be richer because BDS would continue until there is right of return.

Ok so I guess you are saying that with the occupation Israelis are poorer, unhappier, and unhealthier. why? (i am practicing catalan-style logic/debate)

To me it seems that occupation is a rational choice that any self interested actor would take in that situation. Perhaps you do t like it. I don’t like it that dentists are so expensive. But me. It liking something does not make it “stupid”

is english your native language?

Why would Israelis be happier and healthier withi T the occupation. Because they would lose he next war much easier

as always, your logic is impeccable.

oldgeezer
May 29, 2017, 4:50 pm

@catalan

Hey cat…. In terms of math, reading and science you can see how well Israel ranks when compared to other OECD countries. Apparently investing in a good education system for the sake of their children wasn’t one of those great life choices that they made.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 4:36 pm

The Haredim are stupid. They leave school at 18 with reading ages of 11. This is a system issue. Haredi leaders want sheep.

And the birth rate should keep Catalan awake at night.
They are the Japanese knotweed of Zionism. They are essentially unemployable.
And there is no such thing as a free lunch.

I think Gd has had enough of Jewish groupthink and golden calf worship AGAIN. She hates it when the people stray. She seems to be working through haredi women this time.

catalan
May 29, 2017, 4:35 pm

“if some troll wants to argue the occupation is smart, be my guest. – ”
Ok so I guess you are saying that without the occcupation Israelis would be happier, richer, and healthier. Why? They won’t be richer because BDS would continue until there is right of return. Why would Israelis be happier and healthier withi T the occupation. Because they would lose he next war much easier? To me it seems that occupation is a rational choice that any self interested actor would take in that situation. Perhaps you do t like it. I don’t like it that dentists are so expensive. But me. It liking something does not make it “stupid”.

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 4:18 pm

everything from failing to pay library dues to making up a test or failing to turn a report in on time or making up a class during the summer can result on not graduating on time, none of that is a reflection of either being stupid or dropping out of school.

plus, catalan fails to take into consideration the israeli statistic of ultra orthodox schools (over 1/3 of all israeli HS students) at 6.4% drop out rates: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/high-school-dropout-rate-in-israel (and i don’t think they even have to study science and math)

anyway, getting back to the topic/context/commentary — the occupation is foreva, and my quote from the video — stupid is foreva, the implication being — the occupation is stupid.

if some troll wants to argue the occupation is smart, be my guest.

oldgeezer
May 29, 2017, 3:47 pm

@catalan

You might want to actual read the pages you link. The drop out rate is explicitly stated on it and it is not 25%

You never cease to amuse.

catalan
May 29, 2017, 3:24 pm

I took the high school drop out rate for here https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-high-school-dropout-rates. It says that 25 percent of freshmen fail to graduate on time.
But the point I was trying to make is that Israelis are not a stupid group of people – as shown by HDI, life expectancy, happiness, and a myriad of other indicators. Americans, despite their wealth, are not a happy people. I explain that with their high level of bitterness, anger, stress, etc. It is just funny when you hear Americans lecture other, happier and healthier people. A lot of commenters fear for Israel and predict its demise. I actually fear for America more – it is clear that we are getting more and more dysfunctional.

amigo
May 29, 2017, 3:21 pm

At the first sign of matters getting out of the hands of the zionists , there will always be the option of “False Flag ops” .An increase in nightime raids, a ramping up of beatings and arrests and razing of the homes of alleged terrorists ,(anyone notice we have not heard about that for sometime) and all the other time tested methods which Israel uses to stir up the natives to elicit the desired response.

You see, Donald . we told you these Palestinian Terroreeests do not want peace.They want to throw all Jews into the sea, those they haven,t stabbed to death or mowed down with cars, that is.But go ahead and waste your time trying to get them to make peace.So do us a favour and stop trying to delay the inevitable implementation of God,s plans for his chosen people.

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 2:38 pm

“I have come to the conclusion that peace is not possible in the Middle East; either things will stay more or less the same, or one side will physically annihilate the other (through killing and expulsion).”

Wow, “catalan”, are you at the wrong website, or what? You really think you can convince people of that, or get that opinion validated here? I very much doubt it.

Sulphurdunn
May 29, 2017, 2:37 pm

Capitalism in general and investment banking in particular have always selected for talented psychopaths.

festus
May 29, 2017, 2:28 pm

I have no issue with your characterization of the flaws of many Trump supporters. To extend that to all of them is erroneous. And your summary of those who oppose Trump as being those who can see thru facades is giving them too much credit.

Anyone supporting any of the establishment approved candidates is foolish in my view. When Obama and the Dems swamped the GOP after 8 years of Bush Cheney, I thought, now we will get some change. Some positive change. The next few years woke me up. AS long as a handful of very rich guys who love Israel are in charge via the massive amounts of money they put into our elections and their ownership of much of the mainstream media nobody can get the support of the Dems of GOP without being willing and able to sell the American citizenry down the river.

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 2:04 pm

This was the same guy who presided over the fatal shooting of young Saba Nidal Obeid on May 12

Obeid, 22, was executed by an Israeli army sharpshooter with a live round to the heart.

The young lady was taken to hospital.

i can’t recall ever hearing/reading a female occupation soldier referenced as a “young lady”.

Having failed to dampen their testosterone levels through high-octane popular protest, youths raced up and down the road on a bright yellow all-terrain vehicle, spinning wildly as they laughed, creating lots of bothersome noise.

interesting.

If only the police withdrew, the protest would wind down, I thought. Villagers would likely not march down to the main road, much less into Halamish, where they’d certainly get shot by settlers, someone confided to me.

if the soldiers withdrew the villagers would most likely continue to march to their stolen spring.

i’m curious by the authors alternating descriptions of soldiers and police. maan reports references “soldiers” and “Israeli army”. are these soldiers? or police? or both?

Sulphurdunn
May 29, 2017, 1:40 pm

Whatever Trumps said categorically yesterday is conditional today and will be inoperative by tomorrow unless there’s enough money in it for the Trump Organization.

Boomer
May 29, 2017, 1:39 pm

” . . . narcissistic megalomaniacal pathological liar? So much for “wishful thinking”!”

There is a lot of that going around.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201705/how-does-narcissist-think

Sulphurdunn
May 29, 2017, 1:30 pm

He who laughs last laughs best, and the party ain’t over.

Annie Robbins
May 29, 2017, 1:06 pm

catalan has a reading comprehension problem. when drop out rates plunge 25% it’s a good thing, it actually means there are 25% less students dropping out. graduation rates are at an all time high and have been rising every year since 2000 (when dropout rates were at 12%). either way, creative diversion (catalan’s specialty) is effective trolling.

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 1:05 pm

“There’s got to be somebody left in the State department.”

What am I worried about? I see that Putin is in Europe today, cleaning up after Trump. Who needs the State Department?

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 1:02 pm

I’m sending “catalan” a couple of brochures about taking up residence in Zion. They’re called “Escape to Israel”.

(He sounds like Erich Priebke extolling the virtues of life in Argentina.)

Mooser
May 29, 2017, 12:52 pm

“That’s one of the best so far.”

If he is serious, I’m Roebucks. We can start a store.

Bont Eastlake
May 29, 2017, 12:07 pm

Festus,

No one can escape from being biased in my view and therefore I do not accept anything that is deemed to be unbiased coming from a person. I do not claim to be unbiased, though I do strive to engage with people from various parts of the left-right political spectrum.

Moving on to your next point, was my observation really that far of the mark when it comes to his detractors and supporters? His core visions as president are inherently irrational such as banning Muslims from travelling into the country, building a literal wall spanning the entire southern border to stop supposed onslaught of illegals, locking up his main rival for president and so on.

None of these can be considered as rational goals if we consider the fact that he is the leader of one of the most pluralistic, diverse and free countries in the world.

Kay24
May 29, 2017, 12:02 pm

It was obvious Nutty Yahoo does not take this clown seriously. During Trump’s visit you could see Nutty looking at him with amusement. It was also amusing to see Sara Yahoo fawning over the Trumps. She supposedly sympathized with the Trumps and all the investigations going on, by saying they were going through the same too. Aw poor things, the entire world is out to get them. They are such saintly people.

eljay
May 29, 2017, 11:55 am

My respect to the people of the not-Israel village of Nabi Saleh for their courage and determination in the face of evil.

CigarGod
May 29, 2017, 11:42 am

Catalan…25%?
Have you been channeling Rube Goldberg again?

John O
May 29, 2017, 11:42 am

The Israelis surely blinked, realising that allowing any of the hunger-strikers actually to die would send out a shockwave similar to that when Mrs Thatcher allowed Irish hunger-strikers to die.

Sadly, actually sticking to an agreement would be a first for Israel, so I have no great hopes that the ameliorations to Palestinian prisoners’ conditions will be put into effect, once the strikers are no longer in danger of immediate starvation.

RobertHenryEller
May 29, 2017, 10:43 am

“If Trump is serious.”

The author should have ended this piece right there.

In logic, in computer programming, there is the familiar “if-then-else” construct. If the “if” posits an impossible (in this case ludicrous) condition, nothing gets done in that branch of the logic.

What Trump does is serious. Trump’s condition is serious. Trump is only serious if a liar is serious.

festus
May 29, 2017, 10:42 am

“There is a strong binary from what I see among people opinion towards Trump. It’s either a strong contempt or unconditional support. Many opposing him appear to be to see right through his facade and acknowledge the multiple failure you have mentioned.

The problem is people supporting him seem to be motivated by irrational energy where logic and reason gets twisted and warped into confirming to their views.”

Those who oppose him see thru him and those who support him are irrational and twisted? That is your unbiased analysis? Are you being ironic?

catalan
May 29, 2017, 10:22 am

“stupid is foreva”
US high school drop out rate – 25%. Israel rate – 1.9%.
Health adjusred life expectancy – Israel – 8 in the world.
The US – 31 in the world. It seems just based on statistics that Israelis are smarter (in the sense of smart life choices) than Americans.

Kaisa of Finland
May 29, 2017, 10:10 am

Maghlawatan:

“Finland is different to Israel. In principle it is a good idea to learn the language..”

Sorry, now there are two different discussions mixed. That was my comment originally when talking with RoHa about the immigrants in Europe and how to avoid radicalization and their separation to parallel societys.

So we did not talk about Israel, which is a forced occupation and which has to ofcourse end as soon as possible. We were talking about people who come here voluntarily..

Tuyzentfloot
May 29, 2017, 9:50 am

ossinev Call me naive.

Do you mean to suggest that people can stop you from fact checking by threatening to call you naive?

Tuyzentfloot
May 29, 2017, 9:25 am

The idea that Trump is a great dealmaker is nonsense.

Maybe because ‘dealmaker’ sounds like a good thing. If instead of ‘dealmaker’ you substitute ‘sellout’, as his inclination to throw people and values under the bus in order to get a deal done, then suddenly it sounds more acceptable.
That could also be how Trump can survive: by making things so interesting for some powerplayers that they will prefer keeping him around. I suppose the military already like him.

eljay
May 29, 2017, 9:07 am

|| asherpat: Yeah, the “zealots” indeed look “ecstatic” … ||

zealot: a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

ecstatic: feeling or expressing overwhelming happiness or joyful excitement.

Both words were used correctly in the story. There’s no need for quotation marks around them as though they had been re-defined by Zionists.

James Michie
May 29, 2017, 9:05 am

OMG! Yossi, you most assuredly will be choking on that popcorn! Haven’t you read anything at all about the world’s premier narcissistic megalomaniacal pathological liar? So much for “wishful thinking”!

DavidDaoud
May 29, 2017, 9:04 am

David!
Thank you so much for this wonderful article and the multitude of pictures. Brings back memories for me from about 16 years ago when I was there. For my son too who at the age of 19 came to visit from Canada. That’s when my Palestine/Israel education started!

I came for 2 weeks and stayed for 2 1/2 years on a 3-month Israeli visa.
Worked at An-Najah University in Nablus!
Israeli authorities were none too happy with me when they kicked me out end of June ’03!

CigarGod
May 29, 2017, 8:56 am

The financiers are not about to risk another surprise election loss like 2006.

David Plimpton
May 29, 2017, 8:54 am

These Trump visits to the Mideast would have been a good time to unveil any meaningful peace proposals he had. He didn’t. Not to be too dismissive or negative, the Area C to Area B idea isn’t a serious one, if it even has been put forth behind closed doors. Israel would still have security control and can use the settlers to thwart any exercise of Palestinian rights created on paper, plus the details would likely be heavily favorable to Israel, where son-in-law and supposed peace envoy Jared Kushner (and his family) has massive conflicts of interest, including investments in Israeli settler housing.

There’s little chance of Israel agreeing to anything meaningful. Israel has staked the deck against the Palestinians with decades of phony “negotiation”, and unquestioning support from the U.S. and the Israel Lobby (see Walt and Mearsheimer’s “Israel Lobby” and Alison Weir’s “Against Our Better Judgment”).

Any significant progress toward a comprehensive agreement means changes in our leadership so that it works to take away the carrot and administer a stick, namely withdrawal of uncritical and unrequited financial, media and policy support for Israel, like $38 billion in aid without asking anything in return.

Anyone who is an experienced and serious negotiator knows you have to level the playing field to succeed in bringing parties to the table and reaching mutual agreement. Plus the Palestinian people would have to be involved which they are not at this time. Without their involvement, Palestinians would not support the agreement.

So I join with many others in demanding change in our approach to Israel and Palestine from our leaders, the corporate, oligarchic elite and Israel. But given the outcome of the Presidential election (and it wouldn’t have mattered if Clinton had won), and the continuing power and influence of the Israel Lobby, I don’t see much prospect of positive change coming from those quarters for the next four or eight years.

John O
May 29, 2017, 8:51 am

Tee hee! I’m sure a lot of folks saw Trump as a useful idiot to further their ends. They were so delighted to find an idiot, they forgot to ask themselves whether or not he was actually useful.

Donna Volatile
May 29, 2017, 8:51 am

Trump has no understanding of anything geo-political. He gets all of his info. from mainstream media television and we are suppose to ‘hope’ that he can grasp the way forward to negotiate a peace deal between Palestine and Israel? Heaven help us all!

Ossinev
May 29, 2017, 7:49 am

Call me naive. Okay I`m naive but I will say it anyway. Is there now or has there ever been in the ongoing collaboration with Zioland a suggestion , a hint , a reference call it what you like by the Collaborator in Chief Abbas that any proposed “deal” would have to be put to the Palestinian people for their approval ?

eljay
May 29, 2017, 7:36 am

|| John O: The idea that Trump is a great dealmaker is nonsense. This is a man … who went broke running a casino. Since becoming President, he has spent a lot of time threatening to break existing deals … with no alternatives to offer. …

As for the one big deal he has pushed – Trumpcare – it is so atrocious even some of the people who voted for him have noticed; and is basically DOA. … ||

“Smithers, I believe we may have overestimated the tactical genius of this man.”

Bont Eastlake
May 29, 2017, 5:05 am

There is a strong binary from what I see among people opinion towards Trump. It’s either a strong contempt or unconditional support. Many opposing him appear to be to see right through his facade and acknowledge the multiple failure you have mentioned.

The problem is people supporting him seem to be motivated by irrational energy where logic and reason gets twisted and warped into confirming to their views. And these are not limited to lower rung anti-intellectuals but smart, highly educated people too. It seems pointless to fight Trump directly because he has this base of support that are highly defensive and lash out at the slightest provocation.

Maybe its better that anti-Trump people just focus on self-empowerment, caring for each other and let the chips fall where they may. We don’t need Trump, but his supporters pathologically do. As long the need is there, Trump is safe no matter how destructive his presidency becomes.

Bont Eastlake
May 29, 2017, 4:54 am

How do you imagine this alternative scenario to take place considering even before settlements that are deemed by international law to be illegal, Israel was kneedeep in all kinds of criminal state building exercises? Namely the Nakba which cannot be understated in its impact on the indigenous peoples of Palestine.

A country built on theft and murder cannot stand for long, no matter how much money you pour into it. Israel is already creaking and cracking all over, from external and internal discontent. It will be a miracle if it manage to stay as it is within the next decade.

John O
May 29, 2017, 3:18 am

The idea that Trump is a great dealmaker is nonsense. This is a man – remember – who went broke running a casino. Since becoming President, he has spent a lot of time threatening to break existing deals – TPP, NAFTA, NATO, the nuclear deal with Iran, the Paris climate change accords, trade with the EU, etc., with no alternatives to offer. One of his first acts as President was to try to weasel out of a deal on refugees with Australia, causing a diplomatic rift; and, of course, we’ve never heard another word about it since then.

As for the one big deal he has pushed – Trumpcare – it is so atrocious even some of the people who voted for him have noticed; and is basically DOA.

The signs are not good for him producing any sort of deal, both given the precedents he has already set, and the fact that he doesn’t know that Israel is in the Middle East.

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 1:48 am

Israel can’t afford a deal. There are 500,000 settlers in Area C. The Israeli economy is stagnating. The longer the occupation goes on the more Israel is trapped. Imagine what they could have done with all the money they wasted on the settlers. They could have built a decent society .

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 12:19 am

Finland is different to Israel. In principle it is a good idea to learn the language. In Finland it helps. In Israel it won’t. Language in Israel is a marker of privilege which reinforces the power structure through its unwritten assumptions . English has an old biblical word, shibboleth, which was used in a story about how Biblical Jews identified their enemies . Hebrew speakers say shanah for “year”. Palestinians say sanah. Some things never change .

echinococcus
May 29, 2017, 12:13 am

“If Trump is serious”

That’s one of the best so far.

Maghlawatan
May 29, 2017, 12:10 am

Israeli archaeologists dug through 15 layers of Palestinian and Byzantine history which had to be dumped before they found a perfectly preserved gefilte fish which proved that Lithuanian fish came originally from The holy land and not a deli in New York as originally believed.

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 11:36 pm

Nah, that is needed only for getting certified Jewish.
Conquest is a much more macho subject. Or was, until the Tsahalitas proved that the Harpies were probably female.

Anyway, a “Jewish” conquest of el Quds, only a few years before Godfrey de Bouillon and his merry men (sorry, no ladies) is simply not noted by the chroniclers and historians, all antisemites fersure. We have a frequent change of hands with assorted massacres, between the Fatimids and Abbasids and Turks, but not a word about the greatest conquistador of them all, Asherpat Senior.

Annie Robbins
May 28, 2017, 11:21 pm

and if they don’t remember there’s always that leaked “america is easily moved” tape.

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 10:56 pm

Thank you for introducing “minger” to our leftpondian vocabulary.
Too lazy to pull a Dickerson, I’ll just point to the source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minger

jaycal
May 28, 2017, 10:55 pm

Netanyahu and Trump both want a deal to be made.

Netanyahu wants a deal because this is a good time to make a deal when the US has a President who is most sympathetic to Israel and who cares the least about Palestinian complaints.

Trump wants a deal because it would instantly transform him from the incompetent idiot that the US mainstream media want you to believe he is, to some sort of super hero deal maker.

However, Palestinians will likely not do a deal because Netanyahu feels his position is strong and will not give enough to them.

JayGoldenBeach
May 28, 2017, 9:48 pm

Huckabee is a dishonourable, disingenuous minger.

JayGoldenBeach
May 28, 2017, 9:38 pm

This must have really been a gut-punch especially after someone in Trump’s advance team reportedly told Israeli govt. counterpart that the “West Bank wasn’t [their] land”.

Bont Eastlake
May 28, 2017, 8:51 pm

Kaisa of Finland:

Those are fair points yet I believe there are some problems with your assumptions. Learning the dominant language doesn’t necessarily mean a person will find it easier to live, because discrimination rarely occurs purely out of lingual differences. Rather lingual differences are often made as an excuse to dehumanise and marginalise people that are seen as the other when other differences just as skin color and religion are too socially risky to focus on.

My view is if the use of local language is paramount for the host nation, they should make that clear to all potential immigrants well before they migrate. Tie the ability to migrate with their ability and willingness to assimilate lingually through clear contractual obligations.

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 8:32 pm

“because Jews conquered Jerusalem ca. 1,000 years ago.”

Uh-uh, not so fast “asherpat”! Now, were they Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform?

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 8:30 pm

“was your daddy, or at least an uncle of yours.”

Wait. Don’t you mean “mother” or “aunt”?

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 8:26 pm

“non”-Zionist tribal groups –thus something to unmask and discredit at every opportunity.”

Okay, but you might want to make a better effort to distinguish between “unmasking” and “discrediting, and slander and malicious fantasies. Once you’ve got that down, go to it!

gingershot
May 28, 2017, 8:26 pm

Jared’s Secret –

something brewing 1/16 inch under the surface was there was an ALREADY KNOWN crime of collusion between the incoming Trump administration and a foreign government – the collusion with Israel around UN 2334.

There is the KNOWN December 2016 ‘Crime of Collusion with Israel against the USA’ with Jared’s December ‘backchannel’ collusion with Bibi/ the Israelis as they sought to derail the US policy of support of UN SCR 2334, in attempt to wrest power from Obama and thereby to rescue a desperate Israel

Jared just got sloppy and thought he could do the same thing with the Russians that he just did with the Israelis

WHOOPS – ANOTHER WINDFALL

Jared’s collusion with Bibi and the Israelis over 2334 is stuck like a tarbaby to Jared’s collusion with Russia

When asked about OTHER foreign agent interference in the US besides Russia, Brennan said he would like to do that behind closed doors. LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH UN 2334, right, Mr Brennan?

CHECKMATE ISRAEL – the America people are beginning the public spectacle of Israeli/Israeli Lobby interference in the American political system

Thumbs down on Jared – how about 5 yrs for a count over Israel and 5 for the count over Russia?

Hey Jared, where did you go to talk to the Bibi over UN 2334, the Israeli Embassy, Dermer’s office? ha!

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 8:18 pm

“Why do you think so? I am an excellent listener and fun to hang with.”

I’m not sure we need to hang together. You do a good enough job of hanging yourself separately.

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 8:02 pm

“I know that British Empire forces conquered Jerusalem 100 years ago”

Allenby came into Jerusalem on foot, bareheaded, with his aides, all unarmed, through “The Gate of the Friend”.

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 7:54 pm

“Here’s a link to what wikipedia has to say…”

…strictly as one Tower of Babel to another, of course.

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 7:39 pm

“It seems to me that…/…it is now.”

Shorter “RoHa”: ‘My people came to Australia on some of the very first transports!’

Mooser
May 28, 2017, 7:32 pm

“Somewhere in the State Department there’s an official…”

There’s got to be somebody left in the State department.

broadside
May 28, 2017, 7:11 pm

“Somewhere in the State Department there’s an official who remembers every trick Netanyahu pulled 20 years ago.”

I think that’s probably exactly it.

broadside
May 28, 2017, 7:10 pm

Good call. All depends on a major misplay by Netanyahu — we know he has it in him.

RoHa
May 28, 2017, 6:55 pm

There’s a bit of well-concealed history. I know that British Empire forces conquered Jerusalem 100 years ago, and that Christian forces conquered Jerusalem in 1099, but I’ve never heard of this Jewish conquest around 1017. Can you direct me to a source where I can read about it?

JLewisDickerson
May 28, 2017, 6:38 pm

Yes, I noted that as well. I don’t think he meant it literally, but it really is an aspect that calls for more precision.

JLewisDickerson
May 28, 2017, 6:30 pm

RE: “If Trump is serious we may be seeing the most significant step in 20 years of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations”

THE LITMUS TEST: Whether Trump is a consummate enough ‘player’ to ‘play’ a ‘player’ like Netanyahu (as opposed to Trump, like past presidents, getting ‘played’ by Netanyahu).

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 5:58 pm

Keith,

Good observation. The myth of the kinship of many totally unrelated groups, with religion only in common, seems really to be the keystone of all Jewish nationalism, including both Zionism and “non”-Zionist tribal groups –thus something to unmask and discredit at every opportunity.

I wonder, though, if that same common descendence myth has perhaps been more effective even than shared religion in creating these international commercial networks that have assured Jewish success.

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 4:34 pm

Catalan,

Why do you think so? I am an excellent listener and fun to hang with.

In your own eyes, of course you are. As for my –personal– opinion, it’s just been provided above.

Keith
May 28, 2017, 4:28 pm

YONIFALIC- “In truth, I don’t understand why Jews don’t embrace real Jewish history, in which Medieval Jews (including E. European Slavo-Turks) play the key role in the development of the modern world.”

Perhaps because Zionist mythology provides a more effective basis for maintaining the sense of Jewish-Zionist kinship which has served the Jewish elites so well?

Kaisa of Finland
May 28, 2017, 3:23 pm

Bont Eastlake:

Well, to get a jobb or to be able to get “inside” the society, you need to learn the local language. I have lived in several countries and it is obvious that without a common language, you have no real future in the society.

Who has talked about eating certain foods or believing in certain Gods?? At least in Finland there is a freedom of religion and surely a freedom to eat what ever you want.. But I don’t understand why anybody would like to live as an “outsider” in a society, since if you do not understand what the people around you speak, no matter how nice and talented you are, you’ll be an outsider, always waiting for someone to translate to you.. (And if living in Finland, you’ll get f.ex. free health care and free education for your children, so the minimum you can do is, to try to learn the language and get a job to pay atleast something back.)

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 3:15 pm

The difference being that in the 20th century the law says that the only reward of conquerors is to get hanged.

Also, I imagine the one who bragged about conquering J’lem, without leaving any solid proof of it, was your daddy, or at least an uncle of yours. Otherwise you’re not connected to it.

echinococcus
May 28, 2017, 3:03 pm

Mr Fredman,

Thank you so much for confirming that the so-called tower is a goddam minaret. Built in Arab Palestine.
No need to doubt it at all if even you have to admit it.

yonah fredman
May 28, 2017, 2:21 pm

‘Most of whom came in 1945″ is blatantly false. why does pappe feel a need to lie like that?

Ossinev
May 28, 2017, 1:40 pm

@Bumblebye

Yes originally in order to reinforce his image as a “leading world leader” he sent his condolences but then immediately switched into Yahoo Ziocrap:

“Terrorism is a global threat and it is incumbent on the enlightened countries to defeat it everywhere.”

F…k all to do with compassion and sympathy for the Manchester victims but all about selling Zioland`s supposed CV as an “enlightened” country.

The tweet of course was pure Yahoo:
“If the Manchester attacker was Palestinian and the victims Israeli, the terrorist’s family would receive a stipend from Mahmoud Abbas”

What a revolting piece of excrement as in just goys after all and may as well grab the opportunity to earn a few more brownie points = votes in the eyes of the Israeli Far Right.