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Tuyzentfloot
January 16, 2017, 8:57 am

Israel has been pushing for the destabilization of Syria. Get serious.

I doubt Israel has made a big difference in this conflict. Maybe in part because it approved of the way things were going without them.
A new article by Gareth Porter for instance claims the US was mainly egged on by the Saudis, Turkey and Qatar.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/behind-real-us-strategic-blunder-syria-2049258334

JLewisDickerson
January 16, 2017, 8:30 am

RE: “Jared Kushner fired me over Israel ten years ago”

MY COMMENT: That’s what happens to nosy fellas*. It just doesn’t pay to question elite/official narratives. Take MLK Jr. (questioning the war in Vietnam), for instance. . .

Talkback
January 16, 2017, 8:28 am

Talknic: “A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?”

Because otherwise they would have been technically in war with Great Britain. That’s the reason why the Arab armies waited, too.

Jon66: “… what prevented this action in 1948 when they actually controlled significant territory?”

It was not only the Arab’s legal position that Palestine became independent with the termination of the mandate. So there was no need to declare statehood or an “independant state”. The Arab states tried multiple times to bring that up before the UN. Before UNSCOP, during UNSCOP and after UNSCOP. They even tried in the Security Council. But back every request request to let the International Court of Justice decide on this matter was prevented.

They also didn’t declare statehood within partition borders, because Security Council resolution 46 in April 1948 asked both parties to abstain from declaring statehood “pending further consideration of the future Government of Palestine by the General Assembly”. The Jewish Agency violated this resolution with their declaration of statehood. Read:

“REPLY TO THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS THREE HUNDRED AND SECOND MEETING, 22 MAY 1948 SUBMITTED BY THE REPRESENTATIVE OF IRAQ AT THE THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTH MEETING ON BEHALF OF THE ARAB STATES

On April 17, the Security Council passed a resolution on a truce in Palestine which was accepted by the representative of Syria on the Security Council and later by all the Arab States. Since that date the Zionists did their best to avoid the implications of that resolution by creating a fait accompli which changed radically the situation to the detriment of the Arab population of Palestine. In accordance with that policy, the Zionists attacked the unarmed Arab civilian population by taking advantage of the last days of the mandate. They dominated the Arab towns which they could take by force whether they were totally or partly Arab in population like Jaffa, Haifa, Tiberias, Safad, and Acre. Massacres of unparalleled savagery followed, like the massacre of Deir Yessin, and the massacre of Nasiriddin, near Tiberias. Moreover, one quarter of a million of the Arab civilian population left their homes and took refuge in the neighbouring Arab countries.

Upon the termination of the mandate, the Zionists attacked Jerusalem ignoring the cease-fire order previously agreed upon by both sides, as well as the truce agreement presented by the Mandatory Power with the concurrence of the Truce Commission and the Arabs themselves on May 12. On May 14, the Zionists proclaimed their State without any attention to the Security Council’s resolution of April 17. The resolution was observed by the Arabs of Palestine and the Arab States by not proclaiming their Palestine State. In that situation, and in view of the continuous terrorist activities, the Arab States had no alterative but to take coordinated action to preserve the Arabs of Palestine including repatriation of the quarter million displaced Arabs as well as to restore peace and order.

Now, and after the Jews had taken the utmost advantage to change the political and military status before May 15 in utter disregard of the Security Council’s resolution of April 17, the Arab States are now asked to stop their measures to protect themselves and restore peace and order.”
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/eb2eba292f62c42685256daa00562ac9?OpenDocument

Kay24
January 16, 2017, 6:17 am

Then there could also be a violent armed resistance. When all hope is lost, desperation makes people turn to what they perceive to be the last straw. No one can blame them.

Ossinev
January 16, 2017, 6:09 am

@echinococcus
Thanks for your comments. Ref the Apartheid scenario we both know that there has effectively been an Apartheid system in Israel and Palestine since 1948. It has however been wrapped up/disguised/figleafed from the outside world through Zionist Hasbara and the ongoing Israeli charade of seeking peace and two states which has always been a sham. Nevertheless the charade has served to make the endemic Apartheid effectively “covert” to general public in the West and has given Western governments the excuse to continue with the pointless” peace brokering” routine – the latest example being the laughable Paris conference. As I have said the situation will IMHO dramatically change when the PA implodes which I believe will happen in the very near future .Israel will then be in a position where they will have to give equal rights to the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem ( not a hope in hell ) or impose an “overt” as opposed to a “covert” Apartheid system which Western governments will have no choice but to act upon through sanctions and boycotts as with South Africa.

Ref the ongoing genocide and Final Solution. I have not seen any up to date demographics but I suspect that the Palestinian population in East Jerusalem and the West Bank is stable and if anything growing and despite the lawnmowing the same would apply to Gaza. So in my opinion yes there is a serious and deliberate ethnic cleansing and displacement plan and process being implemented on an ongoing basis by the Israelis in East Jerusalem and the West Bank but a planned incremental genocide no. They are happy to take out individual Palestinians when afforded opportunities but ongoing planned killings no – even the craziest of Israeli politicians and officials (and most of them are now crazy) recognise that in 2017 that is not an option. Similarly with an overall “Final Solution” to the Palestinian population problem. They obviously can`t exterminate them en masse – although I suspect a very large proportion of the Jewish Israeli public would love to do just that . They can`t round them all up and restrict them to razor wired camps( too expensive and too many echoes of Nazi Germany – leaving aside the fact that precious Chosen People blood would be spilt in gallons as the Palestinians would resist).They can`t force them into neighbouring states as they would first have to round them up (see above) and the neighbouring states would resist(more PCPB spilt)

Basically Zionist Israelis are screwed(and all their own doing) and the only thing which is holding back the reality of it all is the continuation of the Quisling/Vichy PA farce – very soon to be history IMO.

echinococcus
January 16, 2017, 5:06 am

Inbound,

“The least the Conference could have done” doesn’t seem to have been among its preset objectives. In fact, look at both the recent UNSC resolution and this conference: the main objective is to give a new lease on life to the 50-year-old myth of a bilateral “Process” of discussing among unequals about what the protocol of future hypothetical talks may possibly consist of. Both UNSC res and Conference are strictly about “bilateral talks”, nothing else.

After the Oslo disaster that placed all resistance under direct Zionist control, the only thing that the West must do now is to renew the illusion of bilateral talks every once in a while, to keep its public opinion going. Some comedy to convince the boobies that the non-existent talks must be wrested off an inflexible Zionist government helps establish it as a bona fide measure.

Sibiriak
January 16, 2017, 5:03 am

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Reimpose? It was never imposed in the first place. It was not backed by the UNSC, and the great powers were not willing to supply the military forces which would be needed to implement it. As a result, we got the Nakba.

talknic
January 16, 2017, 2:28 am

Thanks Kate.

As always, enough to bring this old man to the verge of tears

CigarGod
January 16, 2017, 2:21 am

Ha!
So it is golden showers for everyone and a chicken in every…pot.
Love your snarky cartoon, Katie.

Maghlawatan
January 16, 2017, 12:56 am

Israel wanted war in Iraq but Iran won the war. Syria is stage 2. Hezbollah is now an army and Iran is a player in Syria.

The last 2 Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed by invading armies. Israel should get real.

Maghlawatan
January 16, 2017, 12:39 am

Catalan
Maybe the occupation was a card in October 1967. But Israel built its education system around it. So the occupation is forever. Israel took that risk on its balance sheet. Israel runs smoch alai logic. Cut corners, trust me, I know what I am doing. Together with the Jewish notion of being better than the goys and if you disagree you are a Jew hating antisemite it is a recipe for a catastrophe. We know it will collapse but the timing is uncertain.

talknic
January 16, 2017, 12:25 am

@ catalan January 14, 2017, 9:50 pm

“Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking”

Doesn’t justify Israel’s illegal actions in non-Israeli territories over the last 70 years

oldgeezer
January 16, 2017, 12:14 am

@jon66

Why didn’t they declare in 48? Who knows. Maybe they were putting too much effort into saving their lives feomthe barbaric murderous zionist terrorists.

What difference does it make?

None. They lived there. They were being slaughtered by criminal zionists. They had a right to live there
They still do. The barbaric throwbacks to bygone eras refuse to recognize basic.han rights and earn themselves the label of scum of the earth. You should be proud of your vile criminal nature.

talknic
January 16, 2017, 12:02 am

Watching apologists for the Zionist colonization of non-Israeli territories dodging questions is hilarious. They seem determined to show us how dishonest they can be

@ Jon66 January 15, 2017, 9:30 pm

“The Palestinians would have had all of the attributes in the convention. “

They didn’t have effective control of all their rightful territories before or after the expiration of the British administration under the LoN Mandate for Palestine, and;
as Jewish forces were already outside of the territories proclaimed by the Israeli Government as “effective” at 00:01 May 15th 1948, the Palestinians didn’t have effective control of all the territories that remained after Israel proclaimed its borders

“In fact, they declared a state decades later when they were completely under Israeli control.”

They didn’t have effective and sole control of their territories, therefore, they were not effectively independent.

” If they can declare themselves a state in 1988 and be recognized, what prevented this action in 1948 when they actually controlled significant territory?”

They didn’t have effective and independent control of all their rightfull territories, therefore, they were not effectively independent

I’ve answered all your questions. Answer me this

A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

brent
January 16, 2017, 12:00 am

I understood nowhere in the world had Jews enjoyed as positive a neighborly relationship with their neighbors as with the Arabs in Palestine….. before the Zionist movement began flooding Palestine with European Jews with the idea it was a land without a people…. certainly no equal rights. Why can’t that eventually become possible again if equal rights are respected?

If the Aral League or Fatah put the issue of equality on thetable, they would likely be attacked as seeking the “destruction of Israel” as was the PLO following its founding objective, a secular democratic state with equality for all.

A campaign for equality, emanating from the grass roots of Palestine, would have several positive impacts. It could negate the idea/narrative the Palestinian intention is to destroy Israel and kill its Jews. It could inspire Israelis and Palestinians to think co-existence. It could inspire America’s political class to lend political support. Perhaps most important , it could inspire Israelis, to whom a Jewish State is important to rein in the taking of territory by force and articulate ways a two state accommodation could be designed.

inbound39
January 15, 2017, 9:52 pm

Abso…Bloody…..Lutely joemowrey!

Jon66
January 15, 2017, 9:30 pm

Talknic,
The Palestinians would have had all of the attributes in the convention. In fact, they declared a state decades later when they were completely under Israeli control. If they can declare themselves a state in 1988 and be recognized, what prevented this action in 1948 when they actually controlled significant territory?

inbound39
January 15, 2017, 9:26 pm

The least the Conference could have done was to call on Nations to impose sanctions against Israel to get it to withdraw from Occupied territory and cease settlements.

inbound39
January 15, 2017, 9:23 pm

Only successful way to do that giving Israel no room to complain is to reimpose the Partition Plan as per Resolution 181 and place a multinational force there to monitor the borders and keep the peace. Israel cannot say no because the borders in the Partition are still its only declared and legal borders. East Jerusalem, Jerusalem as a whole was never inside Sovereign Israel.

inbound39
January 15, 2017, 9:19 pm

Judging by what they created at the conference it seems nothing has changed. Whatever you do don’t tell Israel the truth……they can’t handle the truth!……..get ready for the bloodbath….here it comes.

JLewisDickerson
January 15, 2017, 8:49 pm

RE: “The Jewish establishment has determined that these men (Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer) are wicked so they cannot be heard. This is tragic.” ~ Weiss

MY COMMENT: Might this partly be a consequence of “hasbara culture”?

Peter O’Toole as Jack Gurney, 14th Earl of Gurney:

The Ruling Class – Dem Bones

The Ruling Class (from the “nut house” to The House of Lords)

ENTIRE FILM:
The Ruling Class (1972) [VIDEO, 2:34:13] –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dgosa7wkfY

Atlantaiconoclast
January 15, 2017, 8:34 pm

The problem is not the acknowledgement of a higher average Ashkenazi Jew IQ, but the pervasive belief among many that Jewish genius justifies Israel’s dispossession of the Palestinians. It doesn’t and never will.

talknic
January 15, 2017, 8:29 pm

@ Jon66 January 15, 2017, 5:04 pm

“There is no “prerequisite”.”

http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1

A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

@ Talkback January 15, 2017, 5:08 pm

“There’s no such thing as a “pre-requisite for declaring independence”

http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1.
A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

“There is a pre-requisite for recognizing or attaining the “independence” (“sovereignty”) of a state which implies control of the territory

Quite. “effective” control http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

Atlantaiconoclast
January 15, 2017, 8:17 pm

Israel has been pushing for the destabilization of Syria. Get serious.

Annie Robbins
January 15, 2017, 8:13 pm

broadside, when it’s done en mass, especially with a sympathetic president, it works.

however, i don’t think any amount of pushback from the american people would have prevented cheney from getting his war on in iraq. not with all the effort extended in pressure, preparation and planning for so long — including flipping the election to bush as part of the long term plan. and who could forget that pearl harbor moment. lemonade out of lemons? that’s one way to look at it i suppose.

Atlantaiconoclast
January 15, 2017, 8:13 pm

Israel is also our number one spy threat. How much Israeli technology is due to that spying?

talknic
January 15, 2017, 8:07 pm

How do you destroy an ideal ?

jd65
January 15, 2017, 7:53 pm

@ Mooser:

Wow, that must be something. I’ve never been able to get rid of mine. And if I did, what would replace it?

What would replace it, if anything, is entirely up to you my friend :)

Eva Smagacz
January 15, 2017, 7:47 pm

“Israeli physicists of note”
Notice that overwhelming majority of them has been educated in Russia, or had teachers, academic teachers and research colleagues who were educated in Russia.
This little snippet of information never gets revealed.

JLewisDickerson
January 15, 2017, 7:33 pm

RE: “The highlight of the evening was Goldberg, who has lately been appointed editor of the Atlantic because he is in the estimation of the Atlantic publisher the best journalist of his generation, asserting that the ballbearings lobby has as much power in Washington as the Israel lobby.” ~ Weiss

MY COMMENT: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) was founded in 1895, and was quite powerful in the 1930s (fighting against FDR’s New Deal) and 1940s (fighting for Taft-Hartly); but as the financialization of the U.S. economy took off, its influence became less and less. It’s power today pales in comparison to Wall Street.

■ National Association of Manufacturers – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Manufacturers

JWalters
January 15, 2017, 7:16 pm

It seems to me calling David Makovsky, Peter Rubenstein, et.al. “stupid” is too kind. They appear somewhat more intelligent and informed than that. More likely, their “lies, mischaracterizations and insults of students who support Palestinians” stems from their being lying, thieving, dregs of humanity. And well-paid.

RoHa
January 15, 2017, 6:46 pm

Try replacing it with coffee.

RoHa
January 15, 2017, 6:41 pm

“Yeshiva people automatically think, if only he would have studied torah he would have been a great rabbi, ”

Yeshiva people need to learn how to form conditional sentences.

“If he had studied Torah, he would have been a great rabbi.”

“and the culture of books and queries involved in talmud study, we of the books attribute the culture of ours for producing einstein. ”

How did Newton and Hawking manage without that culture of books, queries, and advanced mathematics involved in Talmud study?

eljay
January 15, 2017, 6:39 pm

|| catalan: … The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together. … ||

The solution to the I-P mess is to:
– uphold and honour obligations under international laws;
– defend and respect human rights; and
– hold all (war) criminals accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

Once that’s been done, people can talk, engage and work together to their hearts’ content.

RoHa
January 15, 2017, 6:33 pm

As the generations have got further away from European education.

talknic
January 15, 2017, 6:24 pm

@ catalan January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

“The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together”

Tell that to someone who insists on stealing your home while slaughtering your children

Egbert
January 15, 2017, 6:11 pm

Different sponsors of the war want different outcomes.

Saudia Arabia wants to reduce the influence of Iran. The US wants to get Israel off its back plus more exuses for increased MIC spending. Turkey wanted to get rid off Assad and maybe gain a bit of Syria. However, it is now faced with a potential Kurdistan on its borders. You can be sure that was not part of the plan as disclosed to Erdogan in order to get him to allow US-trained terrorists to pass through Turkey into Syria.

Israel wants to break the land bridge between Iran and Lebanon so it can take out (or so it thinks) Hezbollah. It also wants more of the Golan and would like to gain control of the coastal areas of Lebanon and Syria, or more specifically the oil/gas resources in their coastal waters. To that end, early on in the Syrian debacle, it offered the Syrian Alawites sanctuary (they are located in the coastal area of Syria). The price for this generosity was not disclosed but Israel is fairly transparent in its actions.

The Qataris were supposedly hoping for a gas pipeline to the Mediterranean. However, if the terrorists had succeeded, it is clear the Syria would be almost totally destabilised and reduced to permanent local conflicts (as in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq). Constructing a pipeline through such territory would not happen, c.f. UNOCAL through Afghanistan. So that explanation appears to be something that ‘the public could agree on’ as with the bogus WMD argument used against Saddam Hussein.

Egbert
January 15, 2017, 5:54 pm

The US Treasury has a department – the Office of Foreign Asset Control – that is supposed to interdict terrorist funding streams. It is public knowledge that ISIS was selling its oil via middlemen in Turkey. The OFAC did absolutely nothing to stop this traffic. So either OFAC is incompetent or it deliiberately allowed the oil trade to continue until it was stopped by Russian bombing.

In addition, a high ranking US military commander admitted in a Congressional hearing that the US had spent $500 million training an unspecified number of ‘carefully vetted moderate rebels’ to fight in Syria. He stated that all but 5 of these individuals deserted to al Qaeda after being trained. That did not stop future training exercises.

It is also clear from the reconciliation process between the Syrian government and the various rebel factions that the majority of people fighting the government in Syria are not Syrians, but paid Wahabbist mercenaries from countries such as Saudia Arabia, Libya, Chechnya, the Uigher province of China, Pakistan and so on.

Israel has also provided medical care, arms and acted as the air force for the terrorists in the area adjacent to the Occupied Golan. These terrorists have recently cut off the water supply to around 5 million people in Damacus and the surrounding, a major war crime.

What is going on in Syria is not a civil war, it is a full blown war against Syria carried out by proxy forces on behalf of the US, Saudia Arabia and Israel.

Ossinev
January 15, 2017, 5:53 pm

@mcohen1
“I would happily attend a commemoration of fallen German Soldiers in Germany. They were just doing what they believed was their duty”

Interesting observation. How far up the ranks does this empathy/sympathy go for you. Does it apply equally to the soldiers /guards in the various Nazi extermination camps?Does it apply to those who appeared at the Nuremberg trials? Does it apply to those who have been subsequently hunted down tried and sentenced by Israeli Nazi hunters?

The “they were just doing their duty” meme presumably can be ascribed to them as it appears to have been recently to the IDF medic Azaria by the majority of the Israeli population and Israeli politicians across the spectrum including what purports to be the “centre” and the “left”.

catalan
January 15, 2017, 5:32 pm

“only pressure on israel will end the occupation, ”
No amount of pressure would end it. Because the military occupation is the only card that Israel holds in this. That is why the right wing there keeps winning. It’s just common sense – if the occupation ended without resolution to all the other issues, then Israel would have to negotiate the rest without having the ability to inflict more pain. Right now, should there be some bad sanctions, all Israel has to do is transfer the pain to the Palestinians. Without the occupation, Israel loses all leverage in negotiations over right of return, Jerusalem and everything else. It’s an unfortunate situation for everyone but more so for the Palestinians.
The problem is that we are in the nuclear arms era with mutually assured destruction. This just changes the game completely. But if I am wrong, and the BDS thing does work, then tough luck for the Israelis; I am very skeptical of all predictions of the future. Nonetheless, my bet is that first, there won’t be any meaningful sanctions and second, if there were such, they would produce a different result from the intended one.

MegaHerzl
January 15, 2017, 5:31 pm

now that we’ve established your mother was a chauvinist…

those three (marx, einstein and freud) were also german/austrian. not particularly religious, either. freud has been discredited for the most part (maybe it was all the coke) and marx wrote of the evil of capitalism while living off the largesse of engel’s rich-ish family. einstein was brilliant, though…just not brilliant enough to know his findings would be used to kill japanese civilians. he was prescient enough to reject any part in israel’s government, at least.

so if we – as you have – ignore geographic culture entirely as well as the time period in which all these “smarter than the goy” folks did their work we’re left with a bunch of guys (it’s always males getting mentioned I’ve noticed) who are good at math. bravo. scientists are basically accident investigators – they don’t really invent anything, they just find what’s already there and quantify it – but it is a specialized skill to be sure. one that seems easily grasped by the chinese, indians and quite a few rich, young saudi students as well. maybe a few of them can “discover” some stuff and take credit for an entire civilization (of course they’d have to ignore art and philosophy and focus on “look how many nobels we have” but the precedent has been clearly set at least).

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 5:28 pm

“The consequences of the attack in jerusalem has been already felt and like a skipping stone will continue to be as the end game approaches.p”

So true, “mcohen”, so true. Every day Israelis are waking up to the fact that the Zionist Government cannot protect them, and cannot deliver on its promises. And Jews outside of Israel are waking up to the abomination that Israel is. The “end game” is, as you say, on the way.

MegaHerzl
January 15, 2017, 5:18 pm

yuval ne’eman isn’t living. died in 2006. also not that bright as he allowed his math skills to be used for the nuclear program of a rogue state. I guess that puts him close to einstein though the latter at least expressed regret for his role in vaporizing people.

Talkback
January 15, 2017, 5:08 pm

There’s no such thing as a “pre-requisite for declaring independence”. There is a pre-requisite for recognizing or attaining the “independence” (“sovereignty”) of a state which implies control of the territory.

Jon66
January 15, 2017, 5:04 pm

Talknic,

So the Palestinians could have declared independence at any time. Whether or not they could have enforced that independence is a question. There is no “prerequisite”.

joemowrey
January 15, 2017, 4:51 pm

This statement from John Whitbeck sums up quite nicely what is happening in Paris.

“There can be only one explanation for why all these politicians would go to the ceremonial trouble of gathering together to insist that the two-state solution is the ONLY way forward while advocating ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to offer any hope of achieving it: – They are seeking to foreclose (or at least to forestall) a decision by the Palestinian people to seek their freedom and some measure of justice through transforming the one-state reality which the Zionist movement has created in historical Palestine from an apartheid reality into a democratic reality with equal rights and human dignity for all (which would be very awkward and difficult for those who profess to support democracy to deal with) – and, thereby, to sustain the occupation and the status quo while continuing, for their own personal political convenience, to fake an interest in achieving a two-state solution.”

amigo
January 15, 2017, 4:33 pm

“The consequences of the attack in jerusalem has been already felt and like a skipping stone will continue to be as the end game approaches.” cohen

Would that be the Historic homeland of the Jews—Arab frei , Judenstaat.

Annie Robbins
January 15, 2017, 4:32 pm

The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together.

hmm, one would assume pro israel activists think otherwise, since their primary tactic is accusations of anti semitism, twisting others words, and smearing their opponents. talking, engaging and working together may eventually lead to peace after the occupation is over. but it won’t end the occupation, only pressure on israel will end the occupation, something pro israel activists won’t do, or don’t appear to ever be doing it anyway. they take funds and advisement from the israeli government. they talk, engage and work with the israeli government. this won’t end the occupation.

You think it is in BDS.

BDS is a non violent way to pressure israel. after decades of brutal occupation, it’s an alternative that might work, which is more than one can say for talk and engagement, which only got palestinians more entrenched. if talking could end the occupation, palestine would be free right now.

the primary “talk” israel does with palestinians is threaten them and interrogate them during torture/imprisonment, while palestinians get to answer, beg for permits and other humiliating interactions. it’s a conversation between a prisoner and his warden. pff.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 4:23 pm

“I would attribute his brilliance not to the Jewish or any other specific component but to the syncretism itself.”

I always thought Einstein’s work was the real thing, not a syncretic imitation.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 4:16 pm

“The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together.”

Oh yeah, wouldn’t you be a big hit at the diplomatic receptions. “The Israeli Palestine mess”? Sounds like a natural disaster.

talknic
January 15, 2017, 4:09 pm

“The PLO declared Palestine’s independence in 1988 –while under Israeli occupation.”

Political independence yes …

ARTICLE 3

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.
ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law. http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art3

Impossible to be physically independent while under occupation.

Independent = free from outside control; not subject to another’s authority. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=independent+meaning

amigo
January 15, 2017, 4:06 pm

Irish excellence in America in road construction and house cleaning has decreased markedly as the generations have gotten further away from the immigrant experience.They moved up the social scale by becoming Policeman and firefighters.

African American excellence in America in cotton picking has decreased markedly as the generations have moved away from the “immigrant ” experience .They have moved to minimum wage jobs , ie flipping hamburgers and detailing cars .

What have Jews moved to, to get away from their horrible immigrant experience.

mcohen.
January 15, 2017, 4:00 pm

The consequences of the attack in jerusalem has been already felt and like a skipping stone will continue to be as the end game approaches.p

talknic
January 15, 2017, 3:51 pm

“You are confusing a state becoming de facto independent with an entity declaring independence”

Uh? Read what I wrote. Then look up the meaning of independent.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 3:49 pm

“What were they doing on other people’s land?”

“Echin” , she is noting the fact that the IDF cadets ran away.

talknic
January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

Uh? Your links and dialogue do not disprove my assertion.

Of course independence is declared unilaterally. Independence is by its very nature unilateral. If someone else controls part of an entity’s territories, they’re not independent.

catalan
January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

“You would have made a superb embarassodor” Mooser
Funny and possibly true. I did study and briefly work for the foreign service but then left to pursue my not-so-impressive career in America. Remember though, Eastern Europe has a more conservative politics than yours. I kind of think now that being a diplomat would have been fun, but hey, what could have been doesn’t matter.
The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together. You think it is in BDS. Only time will tell what works. Let’s hope we are both here to see the result.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 3:28 pm

“Jewish excellence in America in science and mathematics has decreased markedly…”

…since the “Jewish Day Schools” were opened. And “Yonah”, why would any Jew study math or science when there is so much Torah to learn? And so much Talmud to learn?

And gee, haven’t our Jewish math and science scores gone down about as much as anybody else’s in the US?

talknic
January 15, 2017, 3:26 pm

Both omit the cost of hundreds of thousands of Israel’s illegal settlers, many of whom are serving in or have served in the IDF, who’re not likely to support the Israeli Government’s attempts to relocate them. I.e., a civil war fought predominantly in non-Israeli territories,
against an Israeli Government trying to relocate them using a fractured, polarized, at war with itself, IDF

Both omit the possible cost of war with the neighbouring states who’d then have every right to step into the breach again in order to protect non-Israeli territories and their legitimate inhabitants as they did in 1948, this time possibly with the aid of the International Community

Both omit the costs of Syria, seeing success in evicting illegal Israeli settlers from non-Israeli Palestinian territories, then wanting the Golan back with the support of the International Community. More illegal settlers in need of relocation, more compensation to both Syria, refugees and those illegal settlers. Ensuing litigation by oil companies et al against the Govt of Israel. Loss of even more income from non-Israeli resources

Both omit the effect of Israelis realizing they’ve been duped and simply abandoning Israel altogether. Likewise with Jewish folk in the diaspora and the International community at large

What increase in international investment, trade and aid to … Israel? Are sanctions already in place?

Neither answer the question they pose. There has never been any interest by Israel in anything but the colonization of as much territory as possible in order to support a pyramid scheme that relies on MORE territory in order to survive. Like all pyramid schemes, once they crumble kiss your rrrs goodbye.

“It would therefore seem that the rational course of action for the Israeli government would be to end the occupation of the Palestinian territories “

So they’re irrational. It isn’t new news

catalan
January 15, 2017, 3:26 pm

Sawah,
My goal is not to get into a who is the greatest competition. Please note that I was speaking specifically of math and theoretical physics. With all due respect, Jane Goodall and Dawkins have an entirely different set of skills. Moreover, influential is a misleading word. For example, Neil de grass Tyson and Stephen hawking are influential because of spreading to the public important ideas. They are not necessarily held in such high regard in the scientific community. Thus, few have heard of John Milnor and Shlomo Sternberg because their contributions are completely incomprehensible for the vast majority. The Israeli Yuval Ne’eman is one of the greatest living minds. Also note Erdos, the most versatile mathematician of recent years is not on your list.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 3:22 pm

“Me? Is that some sort of ill-disguised ad hominem?”

No, I assume you know your own best interests.

echinococcus
January 15, 2017, 3:06 pm

Ossinev,

Excellent description of the “Process” of the ongoing annihilation of the owners of Palestine.
What I just don’t see is why the Zionists should not have the “final solution” option. It is already being implemented and I never came across a compelling argument in this regard.

Also, re your future tense for Apartheid and “One state solution here we come”: Excuse me? It is and it has been a single Apartheid state, at any rate a full-fledged one since 1967 — no need to get into the nitty-gritty of the earlier situation. The laughable virtual Palestinian statehood is pure fiction anyway.

So I suppose that what I am discussing is the statement about the Apartheid single state being “a matter of time”. We are at a more advanced stage and the ongoing genocide leaves no time.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 2:37 pm

“I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.”

Wow, that must be something. I’ve never been able to get rid of mine. And if I did, what would replace it?

yonah fredman
January 15, 2017, 2:26 pm

Jewish excellence in America in science and mathematics has decreased markedly as the generations have gotten further away from the immigrant experience.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 2:20 pm

.” Perhaps in Bulgaria, I could have been an embassador or something of that nature”

You would have made a superb embarassodor.

oldgeezer
January 15, 2017, 1:58 pm

@sibiriak

My refetence wasn’t religious per se.

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 1:44 pm

So those are the two jokes which apply to Obama joining the golf club? Ho-Kay!

Mooser
January 15, 2017, 1:39 pm

“Regarding the humanities and a pseudo science like Freud, I believe there was a significant Jewish element in the contributions, the Jewish story telling, literacy, yearning for meritocracy, pushing with two elbows, were a serious contribution to the cultures of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century and in Hollywood and radio/tv in america since the 1920’s.”

“Yonah” go post that anti-Semitic nonsense somewhere else.

amigo
January 15, 2017, 1:29 pm

Citizen. Thanks for the link.

The UK,S decision to send a low level representative to Paris is proof that , they had no intention of p—-g off the US by abstaining from any possible resolution put forward at the UNSC.They would have vetoed same.

The UK through Brexit has cut itself off from the EU and now needs the USA to replace some of the exports they have squandered through Brexit.The UK might well find itself backing US sanctions against Russia while simultaneously seeking trade deals with Putin.Best of luck with that Mrs May.

In a year or two , Brexit will seem like a nightmare .

irishmoses
January 15, 2017, 1:22 pm

Me? Is that some sort of ill-disguised ad hominem? You see me as rich pond scum from the lawyerly class and, like the bard, seek to render me asunder? You hurt me to the quick, sir. I am rich only in spirit and as to the lawyer bit, I am but an aging ex.

MHughes976
January 15, 2017, 1:02 pm

Just to add that Weizmann’s remark was seriously prejudiced. The legend that London around 1000 BCE was already the capital of a kingdom founded by Trojan refugees is not far removed in credibility from the claim that Jerusalem became the capital of a United Monarchy at around the same time. Both must be strongly doubted – both may reflect a certain memory or reality, though a Trojan prince called Brutus is a bit of a stretch. The Bronze Age London area was an active economic centre, losing importance (was there a Bronze Brexit?) like many Bronze Age centres as the Iron Age dawned: so we learn from the lecture by Dr.J.D. Hill of the British Museum delivered to the City of London Archaeological Society in Oct. 2011.

Maghlawatan
January 15, 2017, 12:53 pm

Israel’s PISA scores are crap. Because the settlers get the money.

traintosiberia
January 15, 2017, 12:50 pm

“had the misfortune of having three of his daughters killed by Israel but was going to speak about peace– because there was no Jewish voice to “balance” his presentation on stage.”

1 I have always wondered why not this guy but Malaial was awarded Peace Prize.

2 The accusation of balance goes beyond this narrow doorstep of the cultural institute . Routinely callers to Radio TV even NPR and CSPAN are cut off or screened to prevent any anti establishment narrative . The narratives that have become fact reality and the historical truth thanks to the censorship imposed by the NeoCons . Even a mild effort to place Palestinian along the universal human scale gets berated,disciplined,and quashed . One wonders what would happen if Hamas’s leaders are asked to balance the opinion of Israeli leaders . That is what we should call balancing . But to happen that , American atmosphere of illegal neocon domination has to change . To make it possible ,American first have to wake up to the fact that the demonization of Hama’s leader or Syrian or Iranian or Iraqi as Hitler Nazi as PolPot as Amalek have to be quashed, have to wake up the fact that any reference to ME countries as American enemy have to be challenged at the very level the charges are brought and also stop accepting Israeli version of history as akin to Bible or Constitution. Otherwise the suffering that America have brought upon itself economically socially and world opinion will not lessen .War whether by drone or by boot leave same imprint

3 For a real balance – we dont need a Palestinian peace activist because the counterparts in the TV Newspapers and Town hall meetings are not seeking peace but using the peace to advance war – occupation and exploitation in ME and draining more military hardware and money out of America to Israel . To balance the neocons who populate JINSA and related organization of same genre , one needs to bring Al Quida spokesman to challenge the Zionist spokesman because between the two lies no difference , not some “Muslim Gandhi” as some cadaver looking neocons have sought before only to use the invisibility of “muslim Ghandhi” as one more evidence of Islamic inherent weakness and failure of the Muslim society

MHughes976
January 15, 2017, 12:38 pm

This particular verbal sally – ‘London swamp’ – comes from Chaim Weizmann at the beginning of his bromance with Arthur Balfour in 1906. Balfour, according to Weizmann, laid it to heart and remembered it at their next meeting a decade later.

echinococcus
January 15, 2017, 12:34 pm

Catalan,

Your stuff has been catching the eyes of readers here for something like a year or so.
My question: what is your point? If there is one and you won’t tell yet, when can we expect to read about it?

Ossinev
January 15, 2017, 12:32 pm

@JamesCanning
“I continue to think a deal on Israel/Palestine will have to be imposed on Israel, and Palestine. Making clear Israel cannot unilaterally “annex” portions of the occupied West Bank is essential.”

The only “imposition” possible since 1967 and more specifically from Oslo in 1993 would have been by the US with a straightforward threat to withdraw the annual multi billion “aid” package to Israel twinned with the threat to withdraw the ongoing underpinning economic support package to the Palestinian Authority. This in turn would have given the nod to those European countries to threaten to withdraw their aid to the PA = over to you Israel you pay for your occupation inc infrastructure , health , welfare , education etc etc.
This did not happen and it will never happen. The Israelis have been in a wonderful “having cake and eating it” situation since 1993 and since then have effectively been taking the piss out of the International Community by all these years crowing about their longing for” peace” and , when it suits (not if you are a Yahoo and it is just before an election ) expressing their desire for a two state solution whilst all the time stealing more Palestinian land and water and building/expanding settlements in clear violation of International Law. Their Plan A is to continue the farce of seeking a 2SS (with their non precondition preconditions clearly spelt out eg control of the fertile Jordan Valley ) to preserve the status quo.They have no Plan B. It is quite simply not in the Ziomatrix = all of the land between the river and the sea belongs to Jews and Jews only as bequeathed by God via Abraham and all the other pantomine Biblical figures. Similarly the International Community have only a Plan A = continue to talk about the need for , hold conferences to discuss etc etc the 2SS when as any Western politician with any non Ziofed brains would have seen and can now definitely see is a demographic impossibility. The West Bank has 500,000 + settlers and growing inc East Jerusalem(illegally annexed). The settlements and by that I mean the in Israeli eyes “legal” ones and not including the Ziofreak “illegal” outposts have shredded / patchworked the West Bank making the possibility of any form of second state for the native Palestinians a sick joke.The settlers are not going anywhere and will not be moved by any Israeli administration in the future. The occasional “removal” of the “illegal” outposts has been just another Zioploy to give some ongoing de facto “legitimacy” in their eyes to what they consider to be the “legal” settlements.

The current conference is just another pointless roll of the 2SS dice and the Israelis will simply ignore its findings as it has the recentUNSC vote. The only way forward is a hope that in the very near future the PA charade will implode and the Israelis will be obliged to take over direct governing responsibility and the cost of sustaining the millions of native Palestinians in the West Bank and Jerusalem.(nb they do not have “final solution” option)
Being the arrogant no one can touch no one can tell us what to do racists that they have developed into this will include an overt”Apartheid” system which even their finest Hasbarists will be unable to spin and no sane leader in the International Community will be able to ignore. So we have South Africa Mark 2 and the downfall of this Mark 2 version will be a lot more rapid than version 1 what with the Internet/mobile phones and BDS already having set the ball rolling.

One state solution here we come. Just a matter of time and following a lot of Israelis grabbing their second passports and jumping ship.

MHughes976
January 15, 2017, 12:22 pm

In reply to Yoni’s ‘mechanical application’ (you’re entitled to a less unflattering word) and to remarks by ros elsewhere – Jeff McMahan, now Professor of Moral Philosophy at Oxford, wrote an article a few years ago in the Loyola Journal of International Law, Vol. 31, in which he argues with no ifs or buts that members, military or civilian, of an organisation enforcing an unjust occupation can be attacked without injustice (so I think without ‘terrorism’) by any of those occupied. He mentions Palestine as something he clearly regards as an example of unjust occupation but restricts the Palestinian right of resistance by suggesting, in line with much Just War theory, that it is too unlikely to improve the situation of the occupied people. His statement of the sheer nastiness of unjust occupation is good, I think. His example of just occupation, while admitting its many faults. is Germany 45.

Maghlawatan
January 15, 2017, 12:21 pm

Israelis make very poor strategists.
And Israel underwhelms at the Olympics.
Israelis are world class at construction on land that doesn’t belong to them. And whining.

Citizen
January 15, 2017, 12:14 pm

If U have the money, U R way beyond the masses: Bernie Madoff bought up prison commissary stock of Swiss Miss, then sold for high profit: http://on.mktw.net/2jcG5zL Capitalism at its best!

amigo
January 15, 2017, 12:12 pm

apologies for posting this on two threads.I forgot this thread .

” Just watched Marwan Bishara on AJ.

He reminds the audience that when France first floated this peace conference idea , they promised that in the event of it,s failure , France would support a un resolution recognising a Palestinian State.Not going to happen.

Bishara also stated that the only reason Kerry went to Paris was to ensure the 70 countries present did not go to the UNSC.

Move along , nothing happening here.Let,s visit the Louvre.There is more life there.

amigo
January 15, 2017, 12:05 pm

Just watched Marwan Bishara on AJ.

He reminds the audience that when France first floated this peace conference idea , they promised that in the event of it,s failure , France would support a un resolution recognising a Palestinian State.Not going to happen.

Bishara also stated that the only reason Kerry went to Paris was to ensure the 70 countries present did not go to the UNSC.

Move along , nothing happening here.Let,s visit the Louvre.There is more humanity there.

Citizen
January 15, 2017, 11:54 am

Speaking of glory, Bernie Madoff bought up all the Swiss Miss chocolate his comfy prison management had to offer, and reaped great profit selling it to the inmates, who idolize him. Is there a lesson here for us? Bernie says all the inmates love him. I have not been able to discover exactly who sold the Swiss Miss to Bernie, but if it was the prison management or staff, isn’t that a problem? Just wondering.

sawah
January 15, 2017, 11:54 am

So, here is one list claiming the 20 most Influential scientists alive today. 2 maybe 3 are Jews
None from Israel.
http://superscholar.org/features/20-most-influential-scientists-alive-today/

amigo
January 15, 2017, 11:47 am

catalan , you are very confused individual , or is could it be that you think all Americans are thick.

“Never has there been a more spoiled, whining and childish people” Amigo paraphrasing catalan

“Yeah and they are!!, “Americans are awful at math, chemistry, history and pretty much every other subject. They do have the largest waistlines though and are best at whining. ” catalan.
– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/sheesh/#comment-769857

You seem to have changed your opinion of Americans!!!!

” I like to play around in Math and Physics theory as a hobby, and honestly, it seems to me that the US is very far ahead of everyone else -catalan. See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/turns-stupid-everyone/#sthash.o38zBndx.dpuf

Remember the archives.

oldgeezer
January 15, 2017, 11:37 am

I know you aren’t with the feds. You work for a municipality. I was just referring to your prior self assesments. Now I see you think an ambassador position could have possibly been yours. And you’re still turning down all those better jobs.

You are truly a legend in your own mind.

Of course Israel has some bright minds in quite a variety of fields. Most countries. It is a given and non issue and absolutely irrelevant to zionist supremacism depriving millions of people their basic human rights on a daily basis.

I am going out on a limb here but I bet Israel has some really tall people too. Go figure!

jd65
January 15, 2017, 11:00 am

Very strong/important post, Dan W. Plainly and respectfully expressed. Agreed on all points.

Blake
January 15, 2017, 10:57 am

“Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance its the illusion of knowledge” – Stephen Hawking

Helena Cobban
January 15, 2017, 10:57 am

Mondo friends! Please note that all the references to “Palestinian public opinion” you make above refer to polls conducted only among that minority of the Palestinian people who are still graciously “permitted” by the occupying power to reside in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. Seventy years of dedicated ethnic cleansing by Israel (using many means to achieve this end, including violence, forced removals, socioeconomic strangling, and administrative harassment) has resulted in a situation in which more than half of all Palestinians today are not permitted to reside in their homeland at all, whereas another 1.2 million or so live as Palestinian citizens of Israel within “1948” Israel.

When anyone refers to “Palestinian opinion” while counting only the opinions of Palestinians allowed by Israel to reside in the WB and Gaza, they are in essence colluding in that campaign of disenfranchizing all those other Palestinians. If all actual Palestinians including Palestinians forced by Israel to live in exile from their homeland and Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship were to be polled, the results would have been very different (and far less supportive of any Palestinian mini-state) all along.

And yes, my criticism certainly includes Khalil Shikaki and Mohammed Shtayyeh, both of whom have bought into (indeed, have helped to propagate) the “Palestinians = only the current residents of the WB & Gaza” framing.

Please try to take adequate note of this whenever you publish (or generate) any writing referring to “Palestinian public opinion”.

jd65
January 15, 2017, 10:56 am

@ Stephen Shenfield & RoHa:

Basically agreed. Perhaps my thoughts here can essentially be boiled down to something written by Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi. In his Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel (New York: Olive Branch Press, 1992-1993), Beit-Hallahmi writes about the relatively high level of Jewish success in the modern world, due in part to many Jews’ gradual secularization. He points to Marx, Freud, and Einstein as examples of this phenomenon and writes that, “They are Jews minus Jewishness[.]” While I personally represent the opposite of the type of modern success represented by the likes of Marx, Freud, and Einstein, I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.

YoniFalic
January 15, 2017, 10:33 am

I am probably as ethically challenged as any other bloodied IDF soldier and now reflexively view pre-Cast Lead me and other Israelis as monsters whereas in high school I saw us completely just in our treatment of Palestinians.

When I describe Israelis as outlaws, I mechanically apply legal logic and definitions.

My heart is as broken as my mind, but to be honest I believe the same was true before Cast Lead because they had been ruined by indoctrination in Israeli education and culture.

catalan
January 15, 2017, 10:06 am

may be wrong but I think you once claimed you could be a cabinet level advisor. –
Hi oldgeezer,
Actually I have never claimed that, I don’t even work for the federal government. Perhaps in Bulgaria, I could have been an embassador or something of that nature. But as to the lower level job, sure, career is not the only thing that matters for me.
I do have a job that requires intelligence and my advice and thoughts are valued. I am not seeking to grow at all costs, in fact just a few months I rejected an offer for a position with considerably more authority. I know he girl who took it, and she has that drive and the interest in the whole thing. I actually don’t like to tell people what to do.
As to the smart Israelis, do not misunderstand. I just point out that for a small country, Israel has a solid number of scientists and some impressive accomplishments. Then again, so does Iran. I like to play around in Math and Physics theory as a hobby, and honestly, it seems to me that the US is very far ahead of everyone else; the good schools here attract the best talent from all over the world and that includes Israel, but also many others (incidentally, Bulgaria also has an unusual percentage of high level mathematicians).

Maghlawatan
January 15, 2017, 10:06 am

London was a swamp when the first Temple was destroyed. And again when the second Temple was destroyed. What mismanagement lead to repeat destruction and is a similar process underway now?

echinococcus
January 15, 2017, 10:05 am

Interesting contradictions? No contradiction, as the rabidly racist theory of “Jewish” predictably falls into place here, too, with not only godless Einstein but officially x-generations-removed, opium-of-the-people Marx. Can any political movement be more ludicrously, not to mention unconsciously, racist than this non-political affiliation?

Stephen Shenfield
January 15, 2017, 9:59 am

Here is an interesting article on Einstein’s youth and the evolution of his views on ‘God, the Universe, and everything’: http://www.feelguide.com/2011/06/11/the-fascinating-story-of-einsteins-childhood-his-rebellious-youth-and-his-definition-of-god/.

His parents regarded all religion as superstition. He attended a Catholic school and came to revere Christ. At the age of 10-12 he went through a stage of Judaic observance. He considered himself both Jewish and German. He retained throughout his life an idea of God as a unifying presence underlying the harmony and beauty of the universe — an idea, of course, that Judaism shares with Christianity and Islam. His idea of God inspired his scientific theories and in his later years put him at odds with the pioneers of quantum physics (‘God does not play dice’).

Einstein’s work was a syncretic expression of and contribution to European civilization, within which there was a significant but not predominant Jewish component. I would attribute his brilliance not to the Jewish or any other specific component but to the syncretism itself.

amigo
January 15, 2017, 9:47 am

Catalan, lees than 1/4 were born in Israel.Many of the others were educated in the West.

The only remarkable thing Jewish Israelis do in large numbers is get the rest of the world to hate and distrust them.You would do better to focus on that side of Israel,s remarkable work.

MHughes976
January 15, 2017, 9:25 am

Well,Yoni, I echo RoHa’s applause. I once knew a veteran of the Royal Navy in WW2 who slowly revealed among friends that he considered himself a war criminal because of a massacre in which he had taken part. He was tormented in his dreams. Yet he was or had become, I still think, a good person. You have achieved more than he did both by breaking out of an iron ring of indoctrination from educational and military sources, far more than most of us have ever done, and by going in public with your new moral insights, which is a way of making such amends as you can. However, I think that Israelis, being human, still have some rights.