Photographer: Ahmad Gharabli/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images, from the Wall Street Journal's "pictures of the week" for the past week. Reports the Journal: "FACING A CROWD: A Palestinian woman whose house has been occupied by Jewish settlers argued with Israelis who came to celebrate Jerusalem Day in the mainly Arab neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem, Wednesday." Remember that these evictions are underwritten by the Israeli gov't.
Peter Beinart in the NY Review of Books: "In the American Jewish establishment today, the language of liberal Zionism—with its idioms of human rights, equal citizenship, and territorial compromise—has been drained of meaning."
Why? Because the territorialist-nationalists have won, and from Deir Yassin to Al-Atatra to Sheikh Jarrah, they have uprooted and humiliated Palestinian women. (h/t Annie)
actually we can thank Olive in the comments, she first linked to it i just alerted you to it. in fact my response to her is on our comment feed right now for the ‘I will not cooperate with any Israeli institution while Palestinians are denied basic human rights’ thread.
Thats very kind of you annie.
Just an FYI, I’m a guy :D
my pleasure mr olive. ; )
Why aren’t they considered to be white racists? This is a distinctly American product.
this looks like an israeli product to me.
It’s actually a joint enterprise, care of dual citizenship.
It looks like a Jewish product to me. I don’t see what this has to do with mainstream or traditional America, good or bad. Israel’s crimes and views of Jewish supremacy are not my crosses to bear.
How guilty does the average Jew feel over Jim Crow, African slavery or the genocide of the American Indians, whether or not some or many Jews were involved or profited?
“How guilty does the average Jew feel over Jim Crow, African slavery or the genocide of the American Indians, whether or not some or many Jews were involved or profited?”
You are a white supremacist racist jerk!
…for pointing out that one subset of whites was equally culpable as the rest of us in what was done to Africans and American Indians?
Gee, yeah, putting an underline over the holocaust of blacks and Native Americans has white supremacy written all over it.
…and you’re a Jewish religious supremacist (UberZionist), who crawls out from under her rock in Toronto, to lob accusations at others. Keep cool Rachel/Ruth. You need to lay off the wine at night.
Is there audio?
I think I can photoshop this picture and sketch in the horns
on each of them. My sympathies lie with Palestinians. That
must be eee second from right. Free Jonathan Pollard!!!
That must be eee second from right. Free Jonathan Pollard!!!
good one, chu.
The caption reflects the bias in the Wall Street Jourmal reporting. The poor woman has been thrown out of her home but she is the one arguing.
My parents happened to visit me in Israel/Palestine during “Jerusalem Day.” It was truly a sorry spectacle. Even my parents were disgusted, and they didn’t know the full meaning of the event. They just saw the attitude. And the Arabs being carefully kept out of sight from the throngs of tourists from Brooklyn by soldiers, checkpoints, and closures. (The Haram al Sharif was, of course, shut down for the event.)
reminds me of orange walks in ireland where they walk thru the catholic neighborhood revisiting their victory over the indigenous people.
They used to march in regalia, pounding on huge drums. Everyone knew it was a big loud Fuck You to the Catholics from their conquerors.
the idea of creating a ‘jerusalem day’ in the holy city commemorating its violent annexation is just disgusting to me.
Excactly Annie. I’ve made this observation myself in the past.
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They look like eee, yonira, julia and the rest of the white trash supremacists. This photo should be sent to hopeless Obama.
How dare this woman argue with these fine young men! Why, that’s just destabilizing and maximalist! Where is her green yarn? Where is her poetry? Where is her willingness to understand “the other”? Why is she presenting herself as a victim instead of a human being? Whe does she hate Israel so much?!
Seriously, though: Where is the hand of blind justice to slap some sense into those fucking pukes.
They look so “indigenous” to the land.
reminds me, I have to return my copy of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”.
Liberal Zionism is still the most compelling approach to live and let live.
Ah, but is it as compelling as the green yarn which those fine young men do not appear to be offering to the Palestinian woman whose home has been occupied by “Jewish settlers”?
(Shouldn’t that be “Israeli settlers”? Or are Jews of other nationalities getting in on the fun?)
Actually, (Israeli) Jewish colonists is probably more correct. I haven’t seen much evidence to suggest that Israelis from the Christian or Muslim communities are ethnically cleansing Palestinians from al-Quds. The use of the word settler also implies that they are moving into unoccupied territory whereas al-Quds is already very heavily occupied by Palestinians living in their homeland.
BTW, for the benefit of eee, yonira, witty and other Zionist dross, if Israeli Christians or Muslims are involved in ethnically cleansing Palestinians then that is contemptible and they should stop it but it is not an excuse for the Zionists’ behaviour.
And we thought liberal zionism was an oxymoron.
the most compelling approach to live and let live
and you know this how? has it ever been practiced anywhere with success?
All over Annie, in places like such as South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and…
such as little rock.
if this jerusalem day photo gains traction it could become as famous as…
Annie, the picture would make a great juxtaposition with the above.
Yes, annie. The picture of the young back-packer Israeli mockers has a very expressionist quality to it; that quality lies in the juxtiposition of the still back of the upright Palestinian woman standing up to the exaggerated stances and faces of the young hate-filled mockers (definitely not machers). Very repulsive scene, this moment caught in current reality there and then. Nobody likes a bully or unrestrained hate.
Citizen,
There are hundreds of thousands of these ugly encounters that have not been recorded by cameras or blogs.
I’m sick to my stomach at the continuing stream of these public humiliations of Palestinian woman, man and child.
I wonder what the American Christian Zionists think of this sort of thing–a chief rabbi and his followers taunting and harrassing Christian Palestinians:
link to youtube.com
Any know what the standard Christian Zionist POV is on Christian Palestinians and Israel’s ill treatment of them?
Palestinian Christians are utterly invisible to Christian Zionists.
Seems so, Judy. I wonder if any Christian Palestinian leaders or writers have tried to reason with American Christian Zionists?
I’ve never read about any such incidents.
I think that mainline Protestant denominations take a progressive position on the I/P issue. Typically, those denominations who support Zionism aren’t usually too interested in dialogue, or in having their views challenged or widened. Unfortunate, but true.
I did find this–it seems like the unvoiced American Zionist perspective is that the Christian Palestinians are viewed as expendable because their presence and hopes for their own freedom and well-being interferes with “progress” towards the Rapture:
link to hcef.org
Absolutely. I had my 17-year-old fundamentalist nephew tell my husband to his face that “the Jews” have a right to that land because the Bible says so.
Christian zionism is to Christianity as dog poo is to dogs.
The Bible also says that “the children of Israel did what is evil in the sight of the Lord” and he kicked them out and gave the place to the goyim.
No offense Judy but maybe your husband should have said; I have a right to put my foot in your ass because Zzibblefllurbizzitz says so. It is written and must be done. All hail Zzibblefllurbizzitz. Amen.
I forget the actual response, but I can’t say that he’s changed his views in the past 20 years since he was a teenager! No one in my family takes much crap, though.
Where is Liberal Zionism in that photo? How, Witty does this reach these thugs? I can’t believe you show up in this thread with such empty platitudes. You should just remain quiet and bow your head in shame.
>> Where is Liberal Zionism in that photo? How, Witty does this reach these thugs? … You should just remain quiet and bow your head in shame.
Dude had to say something, but since I had used up most of his talking points in my 5:22 post, I guess that didn’t really leave him much to say. ;-)
Liberal Zionism is against the occupation and the settlements. Those kids are scum.
“Those kids are scum. ”
There is absolutely nothing in them that is not mainstream, average Israeli…
thats bull atheist. they are settlers, mainstream Israelis are not settlers. I would bet 3/4 of them are not even Sabras, but recent Israeli implants.
Have you ever wondered what the term “gate keeper” is all about yonira?
nope, never crossed my mind.
Who is financing, encouraging, housing, cajoling, turning a blind eye and protecting them?
“thats bull atheist. they are settlers, mainstream Israelis are not settlers.”
That doesn’t hold water Yonira. After Obama declared his policy of freezing settlements, his popularity in Israel fell to single digits. That would not have Bern possible had only the settlers supported the settlements.
“Who is financing, encouraging, housing, cajoling, turning a blind eye and protecting them?”
And why are they being subsidized by the elected goverent if Israel, who has rejected calls to halt expansion?
And why are so called “liberal Zionists” like Dershowitz, defending the settlement policies of Netenyahu, and why is AIPAC 100% behind them?
Obama’s popularity in Israel fell after his appeasement in Cairo, here is what the public thinks of the settlements:
link to worldpublicopinion.org
link to csmonitor.com
Kadima won a plurality, Peres thought Likud would have a better chance of forming a coalition, hence Bibi’s role as PM.
“Obama’s popularity in Israel fell after his appeasement in Cairo, here is what the public thinks of the settlements:”
And what appeasement was that? was it simply not a call for a freeze on settlements?
“http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0319/Nearly-half-of-Israel-supports-Quartet-call-for-Israeli-settlement-freeze”
Yes Israelis tend to supports such policies, but the reject them when they look like being implemented. Apparently, most Israelis support negotiating with Hamas, but then they overwhelmingly supported the Gaza massacre.
Settlemts were expanding under Kadima as well. Kadima Aldo started 2 wars.
Kadima and Likud are one and the same.
is there or is there not a settlement freeze right now? They supported military action against Hamas to stop the rocket attacks, saying they supported the massacre is careless.
yonira,
It’s called a ‘one-handed’ settlement freeze, meaning: only using one hand to build with.
You get it and you know it! So stay real and keep your smarmy nose in check – we’re both too old to play stupid cat and mouse around the illegal settlements bullshit.
Is there ea settlement freeze?
Nope, and even if there was, the term settlement freeze implies a temporary arrangement only.
“They supported military action against Hamas to stop the rocket attacks, saying they supported the massacre is careless.”
No, they supported military action to teach the Gazan’s a lesson for electing Hamas.
link to reuters.com
what are you proving w/ that link Shingo, weren’t we just talking about the Israeli public? You guys are so confusing on here.
Taxi,
I hate the settlements, they are illegal, immoral, and unjustifiable. no cat and mouse.
link to reuters.com
i don’t believe that thankgod they may have gone mainstream but i won’t believe they are average, i just won’t. maybe for the settlers.
Then why are you lying to protect the settlement construction that is still going on even as we type here, yonira?
how is it a lie, can you prove there isn’t a freeze Chaos?
Have the Israelis stopped constructing settlements on the West Bank? The onus is on you, yonira.
“I would bet 3/4 of them are not even Sabras, but recent Israeli implants.”
Aren’t all Sabras recent implants?
Sabras are native israeli’s
This would be after they dropped -ski and -ein and such from their family names to pretend to be from the Middle East, right?
Sure and labor has never built any settlements nor encouraged the settlers. Labor never occupied territories in Gaza and WB, never demolished homes, nor did it uproot trees and communities.
Liberal Zionism (an oxymoron for sure) if it ever existed as you imagine it did never amounted to any significant portion of the population. Just look at the succession of Israeli governments and their policies with respect to the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs to realize the canard of what you claim.
One group who is doing all those things are the American Christian Zionists.
Israels need Christian Zionists to enable the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Christian Zionists need Israelis to enable the eventual genocide of all Jews who don’t accept Jesus as their saviour.
Its an excellent marriage.
Christian zionists, for one…
I don’t suppose you have a photo of that, huh Witty? Maybe it’s next to the picture of the Sasquatch cavorting with Piltdown Man.
Damn, I had forgotten all about the Piltdown Man. I recall reading about him and his importance to the study of human evolution when I was in elementary school in the 1930s, about a dozen years after the Scopes Trial
Lucky you. I am reminded of the Piltdown Man pretty much every time Witty drones on about liberal Zionism, for a whole host of reasons.
live and let live….
What is so amazing is the fact you believe in some god (which does not exist) try and say he gave it to the jews exclusively, then wac a president kennedy whom was not wanting the eastern european trash to keep the foot hold it had in the usa. (yes he was stupid in thinking he was safe).
But to live and let live huh. And the bible is complete fables made to control and did not even happen in that area. ALL THE PRETEND ITEMS which the aparthied states is jewish history was made during the occupation of Palestine. they are fakes and there is NOTHING BUT PROOF. So go tell nutty yahoo to live and let live and to go back to eastern europe. You truely can not comprehend…everyone reaps what they sow. Better want it cause when you get it and find out you really do not want it …you can not change the outcome..kharma will bite you in the buttocks and never let go.
Americans who go to Israel and the occupied territories to do this learned at their synagogues that such behavior was acceptable. We owe a lot to the rabbis who gave them the go ahead.
nice argument Les, are you sure it’s not just pre-programmed into the minds of the dirty Jew?
programmed most definitely. but not pre programmed yonira. especially at some of those yeshivas in the settlements.
I totally agree with you annie, the yeshiva’s at the settlements are brainwashing them, but that is not what Les said he was claiming this is taking place in American synagogues which is not true. I am sure it happens some places in the US, but Les’ claim was an unreasonable generalization.
Chaos, add something or shut up. I am sick of your constant attacks on me.
Okay, how about I add a little context to how recently converted American Jews talk the same racist way about Palestinians:
I think we have some pretty clear evidence that this sort of Jewish supremacy extremism isn’t limited to the occupied territories.
Incidentally, reminiscent about how Germans used to talk about the Polish, isn’t it?
yonira, i think it would be a mistake to not realize some american synagogues are a breeding ground for this mentality. i know it’s ugly but if we can accept it for the christian zionists (jesus camp) we must also assume these people don’t sprout horns once they reach israel. when i was in EJ we went to one of these houses settlers had moved into. originally just into the back of it while the palestinian family was still there. eventually some more arrived and pushed them all the way out into the parking lot. this had happened the week before i arrived. the settler family had just arrived from brooklyn the week before. it was all arranged for them. they got off the plane and moved into this house kicking out these people onto the street. they had armed guards and israel flags everywhere and there was this woman settler hanging her laundry in the front w/the kids running around and taunting the palestinian family living in the tent. so yes, i absolutely believe this is learned acceptable behavior. these are religious people and they arrived in israel like this. people in our country raise money for these people and support them. i don’t see the jewish community shunning them. there is tons of stuff jewish people don’t get shunned for within their community that we do not consider acceptable mainstream american behavior.
Annie, yonira’s not mistaken, he goes to the same sort of synagogue we’re talking about.
yonira, when i said not pre programmed i was referencing the way you used it, as in pre programmed from birth. but pre programmed in the states? yes, i think there is an element of that of course. not in mainstream judaism nor mainstream synagogues but at the same time where’s the shunning? is that done in private? because i am not hearing the condemnations of these activities coming from the hierarchy with the exception of the denouncement of the mosque burning on the first day of chanukah. that denouncement was an incredible thing but i think there needs to be more, much much more from the american jewish religious hierarchy. a shunning of this kind of hate.
he goes to the same sort of synagogue we’re talking about.
how can you know this chaos? really must we go there? i simply refuse to believe this kind of behavior is acceptable or promoted at average mainstream synagogues in the US. really, it’s too much. seriously i won’t believe it. i don’t know what synagogue yonira attends so i can’t make that kind of speculation. this isn’t a team sport. i can strenuously object to 96% of what he says and still not adhere to speculation his synagogue promotes this kind of hideousness.
So where does yonira get his kind of hideousness? I’m making a rather practical point.
And why do you assume that yonira’s synagogue is mainstream? The esteemed gentleman himself clearly isn’t. Most actual Jews I know don’t mock starving, blockaded Palestinian children, don’t post from right wing conspiracy web sites and don’t label homosexuals as promiscuous meth users.
where do you get this shit from Chaos, seriously…… does it suck to be a pathological liar…..
Do you honestly think anyone respects you on here? Do you notice how everyone just kinda lets you say stupid shit all the time w/ out even responding anymore? You are part of their camp, so they let you be, but no one cares about what you say, or respects it. It’s the same nonsense, day in and day out. Is your real life as sad?
Annie, I am sure there are several synagogues like that in the US. I would doubt there are many reform synagogues like it, which me and my family are members of, but they are out there. Just like that is Jesus camp and radical mosques scattered throughout the US.
I hear the denunciation all the time, perhaps not directly at the settlers(because they aren’t necessarily in our ‘midst’), but these actions, the actions of the Likud government, the settlements, and the occupation are shunned on a daily basis in my circles.
I continue to be amused that the only path you see to credibility is to try to shame and demonize me. As if I’m somehow a lynch pin on Mondoweiss.
I’m really much more like the garbage man. One of those few who’s willing to get my hands dirty so other people don’t have to.
Anyway, you can frame yourself with false platitudes, yonira, but nobody forgets the truly awful things you’ve said on this blog.
Does your synagogue send money to Israel, yonira?
Chaos,
I am responding to your filth, i don’t come out and start shit, day in and day out. that is you. when you call me a fake and nazi it pisses me off. if you would act like a civilized person instead of a fucking prick all the time, i wouldn’t feel the need.
lets do an experiment, how bout from here on out you don’t talk shit and make up lies about me for one day, we’ll see if i can’t do the same with you. lets see if when i say something, instead of ad hominem attacks you could either try to civilly debate me, or even ignore what i say. you don’t have to respond to my every comment, especially if it doesn’t add to the discourse.
lets give civility a try or we can just continue this silly ass bullshit day in and day out. you keep making up baseless lies about me and the things which are dear to me and i’ll do the same with you.
you think that you are a bigger man than me in every way, now is your time to prove it.
You know, nobody buys this innocence act from you. Not after you and your old buddy OhioJoes mocked the imprisoned Gazan children as stupid rocket-making chumps while Jewish Israeli ubermenschen get Nobel prizes hand over fist.
You come on here saying “u r all fucking stupid” this and “mondolies” that and “show me the photos or it didnt happen!!!1″ and “meth snorting fags” and then you post MEMRI and Israeli Foreign Ministry and right wing conspiracy tripe and now you want to pretend like you have some right to be taken seriously?
You’re scum, yonira. You’re vile, hateful, white trash racist scum. The notion that you somehow represent Jewish values is a farce. Your friends even abandoned the US to go fight for the occupation you claim you don’t approve of (and then defend tooth and nail yourself). You’ve only even been Jewish on paper for, what, barely half a decade, by your own admission?
If its possible for the dearly departed to have tear ducts, your grandfathers are undoubtedly crying in abject shame. Their legacy has shit upon everything they fought to save.
i guess i’ll have to be the bigger man,
it’s been real chaos.
It was nice to wrap this exchange up with a good laugh.
YES EVERY SATURDAY, THEY PLEDGE THEMSELVES TO ISRAEL. what is worse they actually believe a god (which does not exist gave it to them) or at least on the surface, that is somewhere in the poteoz if I recall correctly towards # 18
Was it Yoni who was saying in the last 2 years rachel ‘pancake’ corrie? I believe it was, but maybe you recall chaos.
On annie’s “not hearing the condemnations of these activities coming from the heirarchy,”
It used to be said, if you wanted to meet white racists, go to their churches on Sunday.
If synagogues are not objecting to the behavior of such Zionists as those in the photograph, they are guilty of tolerating such behavior and thereby condoning it.
annie writes, “so yes, i absolutely believe this is learned acceptable behavior.”
I do so hope (and believe) that it is simply learned behavior. I would hate to think that it is genetic in origin.
But then we should take a closer, more critical look at the culture that produced this distinctive pattern of behavior, shouldn’t we? How did it arise in this country? Why does it thrive?
What, because you yourself are supposed to be a counter-example to Les’ theory, yonira?
undoubtedly that is the case, yonira, but we goy are too polite to say so.
Notice the WSJ caption, which manages to portray what is obviously reprehensible taunting by Israelis to a “Palestinian woman … arguing with Israelis.” Still, it’s good that the WSJ is carrying it. If it were Max Blumenthal, he’d be accused of all sorts of hatred for publishing this photo “out of context.”
Most importantly, see how much this picture tells us. Even though no one is physically hurt, its story is as graphic as photos of Palestinian dead and wounded. The racist arrogance is almost unimaginable. These schmucks actually believe that God is smiling on their behavior.
I almost wish eee were here to tell us about how the Native American were treated back in 1793… ;-)
I think one of the reasons is that these people have been brainwashed into thinking that they are the “Chosen People.” Its chillingly similiar to the Nazi concept of the “Master Race” but in fairness to the Germans, the “Chosen People” mythos was around for a very long time.
Its not very hard to act like a scumbag once you consider yourself superior to others based on your ethnicity or religion,
>> I think one of the reasons is that these people have been brainwashed into thinking that they are the “Chosen People.”
Not to steal zamaaz’s thunder, but the Old Testament *does* declare the followers of the Hebrew/Jewish “god” to be “Chosen People”. It cannot possibly be coincidental that that the men who created this god and his proclamations – and the group of religious simpletons people to whom they belonged – wound up being the “Chosen Ones” rather than, say, damned to eternal subservience to some other group of people.
i hope this thread doesn’t descend into some judaism bashing thing. let’s remember most people of faith are not like this which would include jews.
Don’t most religions presuppose that their adepts are the “Chosen People”? It’s just phrased differently. By definition, if one of them (religions) is the “one true faith”, the others must be fraudulent, it’s just elementary logic.
Don’t practicing Christians believe that those who reject Christ as the son of god will suffer eternal damnation? Correct me if I’m wrong.
It is doubly ironic that the truth of the matter can be summed up here in the concept of being “chosen” and the narrative –
MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG
The present scene in the article is nothing but common might makes right, period.
“MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG”
Which pretty much sums up every post Witty has made here. Same goes for Zamaaz.
i don’t think you can enter heaven without going thru jesus if you are a christian. i’m of the belief that is there was a god that entity would make everything you see an avenue. even a tree.
btw, i’m a chosen one. at least that’s what my glass of whiskey keeps telling me. i see god in the ice cubes.
What was it that Voltaire said? (loosely) Those who can get you to believe in absurdities can get you to commit atrocities.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”
Yes, exactly
are you from the bay area annie?
And the thread-jacking continues.
Voltaire? Thought I read it in Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion. Must have forgotten he quoted. But to the point it is.
>> Don’t most religions presuppose that their adepts are the “Chosen People”?
Yes, but when it comes to the monotheistic god, the Jews/Hebrews/Israelites were the first ones, the chosen ones; everyone else is a mistaken wanna-be. Christianity is a knock off, and Islam is an even more ridiculous re-hash / re-warming of Judeo-Christianity.
Although I gotta say that Mohammed was pretty slick for: i) cashing in on the Abraham -> Ishmael lineage thing; ii) seizing on the “one who will come after me” line to secure himself a post as that guy; and iii) stating unequivocally that he was the last prophet, end of story, what I say is the final word.
annie writes, “i hope this thread doesn’t descend into some judaism bashing thing.”
Absolutely. On the other hand, apart from the worthy Jewish critics of Zionism on this blog, one might wish that a larger segment of the American adherents of Judaism or “Jewishness” (or whatever the correct term) would publicly repudiate the elements of their culture that promote and sustain the monstrous excesses of Zionism.
“I think one of the reasons is that these people have been brainwashed into thinking that they are the “Chosen People.” Its chillingly similiar to the Nazi concept of the “Master Race” but in fairness to the Germans, the “Chosen People” mythos was around for a very long time.”
The sad fact is that though they deny it, the so called “liberal Zionists” are infected with the same ideology. One only has to read a few of Witty’s posts to realize that under all the sugar coated rhetoric about reconciliation, mutual acceptance, reform and humanity, his entire position is based on the premise of the superiority of the Jewish race. It explains why he endorses any Israeli action no matter how irrational in response to any any provocation (or lack of), but condemns the Palestinians for not showing sufficient discipline (ie. daring to fight back) when they are attacked. It explains why he feels it is incumbent upon the Palestinians to placate every indulgence and concern that the Israelis might have, while it never occurs to him to consider the fears, trauma and anxieties of the Palestinians.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, Shingo. You nailed Witty for the poser he is.
“It explains why he endorses any Israeli action no matter how irrational in response to any any provocation (or lack of), but condemns the Palestinians for not showing sufficient discipline (ie. daring to fight back) when they are attacked. It explains why he feels it is incumbent upon the Palestinians to placate every indulgence and concern that the Israelis might have, while it never occurs to him to consider the fears, trauma and anxieties of the Palestinians.”
Good summary of his position, and your theory about why is probably close to the truth–he obviously has the double standard you describe in the words I quote above, and it’s hard to imagine any explanation for this except some sort of racism.
It’s what makes him so infuriating for me–the combination of all the talk about reconciliation with the vicious attitudes. I rarely respond to the far right Zionists–they openly embrace contemptible positions. It’s more bothersome when someone claims to be compassionate and then displays bigotry–that of course also applies to the anti-semites.
Your characterization of my views, attitudes, motivations is innaccurate.
I don’t hold a “master race” attitude in the slightest.
Even to go there, is a very odd imposition of politically correct branding. Please consider the intensity with which you react to the use of the term “anti-semitic” (even when it is an accurate observation). And, at the same time are more than willing to name me or others as racist (but without any serious inquiry).
Your willingness to pigeon-hole others is abusive, and counter-productive.
LIVE and LET LIVE is not a racist formula. Try it sometime.
Just for example, even with the great dividing question on Gaza, my consistent description of Israeli behavior on the question is “excessive”. That is not “endorsement”. That is criticism.
You really don’t have a clue. You must be having a religious crisis of faith.
Witty,
I wonder why you put excessive between quotations marks? Why not just calling these actions what they are really are, “War crimes”
“LIVE and LET LIVE is not a racist formula. Try it sometime.”
Says the man who thought the Gaza War and the blockade were justified. Live and let live is fine–it’s the combination of that slogan with your double standards on human rights that people find so problematic. Shingo described your behavior perfectly–why you act this way is a mystery, but the end result is the same as it would be if you thought that Arab lives were worth less than those of Israeli Jews.
“I wonder why you put excessive between quotations marks? ”
He’s quoting himself. That’s fine. The problem is that he has no difficulty, not the slightest hesitation, in denouncing Hamas war crimes in the strongest terms, but Israeli war crimes are never described that way–there must always be doubt, hesitation and caution leaning towards skepticism whenever someone describes Israelis in the same terms one might use for Hamas terrorists. And he can’t see why anyone would have a problem with that–after all, it’s so dehumanizing, so demonizing, so maximalist in rhetoric to describe Israeli actions with the same terms one might use for Arabs.
I described the Israeli military performance in the Gaza War as excessive. I do think that the Gaza War was necessary, in fact was insisted on by Hamas (which is why I hold them very highly responsible for the horror that befell Gazan civilians).
If you haven’t read recently, I support peaceful efforts (entirely peaceful) to highlight and change the status of the blockade. Although the blockade is described as a violation of international law, the establishment of a Gazan port without a supervising state adhering to the laws of the seas and conventions as to international law, would also be outside of international law. Hence, I propose confident international supervision of a prospective port.
And, I do support the international law, the sovereignty of Israel and Egypt, to manage their own borders.
If you are an advocate of international law, then you would seek a lawful remedy, rather than just the rhetorical condemnation of anyone that supports Zionism at all, including the obligation of Israeli leaders to defend themselves.
Some Israeli leaders that I’ve read of, do not consider it to have been necessary to undertake any military effort in Gaza. (Very few.) Many consider the extent and scope of military effort to have been excessive. Many more are willing to consider that the extent was excessive. (Those are the people that dissent should be trying to reach, the ones that have not made up their minds.) And, many (sadly) believe that the extent was not extreme enough, that it didn’t break the back of Hamas.
If you regard my views as racist, then you regard the majority of your community as racist. It must be very uncomfortable for you to live where you live, whether US or Canada or Europe.
I’m not sure if you’ve shown the same light on your own views.
Have you? Can you provide a recent example of an attitude that you’ve come to disavow?
Yes Donald.
And that makes me so sick at level that i would never imagine. I feel sad that we human beings don’t learn from our bloody history, we didn’t learn from holocaust, armenian genocide not even from Rwanda. Why scientists are not able to invent a drug for us :’(
Well said.
And it’s a racism that is so deeply buried, that those who espouse it don’t even recognize it.
It’s the same racism that finds the status quo (with a kill ratio of ???:1) preferable to forcing change…. It’s the racism that thinks its preferable for a few thousand Palestintians to die than singling out Israel for criticism.
There you go again Witty,
You’re like an alcoholic who in denial, who turns up to breakfast drinking a glass of what he insists is orange juice.
Describing the Israeli attack on Gaza War as excessive is not denouncing it. Supporters of the Iraq invasion similarly crticized the execution but never denounced the war itself. Indeed, you just stated how necessary it was.
Of course, there is no “fact” to support your claim that the Gaza War was necessary. It’s hardly surprising that you hold Hamas “very highly responsible” for the war because you would no matter what the circumstances. You yourself have admitted that Israel would have reacted very violently had the events of November 4th 2008 been reversed, and you would have endorsed such a response from Israel, yet you condemn Hamas.
Like Donald said, why you adopt such double standards is a mystery, but the end result is the same as it would be if you thought that Arab lives were worth less than those of Israeli Jews.
You might give lip service to peaceful efforts, but you don’t support peace, because you cannot stomach the thought of Israel paying the price for it.
You repeatedly insist on establishing a Gazan port under international supervision, but reject any suggestion on a peace keeping forces interfering with Israel. On one hand, you want us to excuse Israel for being irrational and psychopathic in it’s behaviour, yet you still take the position that it is the Arabs thatcannot be trusted.
Why you adopt such double standards is a mystery, but the end result is the same as it would be if you thought that Arab lives were worth less than those of Israeli Jews.
On one hand, you support a blockade that you aknowledge violates international law, but then expect us to believe that you support international law when it applies to anyone but Israel.
Don’t hide behind your community Witty, and expect us to overlook your racism because others might share your affliction. You’re like a sheep, who when threatened, seeks refuge among the flock, hoping not to be noticed whenever you are found out for what you are.
There is certainly racism in the US, Canada, and Europe, but that does not excuse your racism and bigotry.
I don’t need to provide examples of any attitudes that I’ve disavowed because I have been 100% consistent with my position , and I have been becasue it is based it entirely on justice. Yours is based entirely on ideology and tribalism, and that position has forced you to constantly look for new and inceasingly dishonest ways to make your position appear more credible.
Sadly, you are failing miserably.
Indeed Judy,
That pathetic individual, Witty continues to insist that we are only at liberty to discuss his racism if we manage to convince him of it’s existence.
Liek alcoholics, their capacity for to lie to others is only exceeded by their capavity to lie to themselves.
Richard,
You may not believe what Shingo says, but Mondoweiss has a paper trail 4 years long to prove it.
I know it’s hard to pretend to be like others, but you’re not. It’s very common to have racist views, but not act out in violence. Shingo described your behavior perfectly… Print his comment and post it on your wall. It may take months or even years, but one day you may comprehend the image many have formed of you through this site.
Well said Shingo Applauds !!!
No one should pigeon hole.
Shingo, that was very well put. As you say, at the heart of Witty, like that of every liberal zionist there is a poseur. Because, the expression itself “liberal zionist” contains its own contradiction. And always did – we (as in “the world at large”) were all just able to ignore that for the longest time.
Whenever I try to explain the concept of “cognitive dissonance” to some innocent soul (yes, there are a few still around), I use “liberal zionist” as an illustration. Sometimes it even seems to help. Other times, intellectual innocence being what it is, well……
But do you expect anything less than linguistic whitewashing from the people whose ancestors came up with the “chosen people” meme? every people thinks of themselves a special. But the triumph of the jewish people is that for over 2000 years they made theirs stick. And not just in their own minds.
Gotta admire good spin when you see it.
How does the phrase LIVE AND LET LIVE fit in with the Nakba, Richard Witty? And how does it fit in with the Israeli settlement momentum? Please explain. Thanks.
“If you regard my views as racist, then you regard the majority of your community as racist. It must be very uncomfortable for you to live where you live, whether US or Canada or Europe.”
To the extent that people use double standards on human rights, of course they are racist. The US is a prime example. You live here. Did you sleepwalk through the hysterical murderous self-righteousness that consumed this country after 9/11? People who so much as hinted that US foreign policy might have something to do with why we are hated were denounced vehemently and as much by so-called liberals as by conservatives. Many Americans supported the invasion of Iraq because they wanted “revenge” for an act that Iraq had nothing to do with, but then, bombing any nation of sand-n****** would have suited them fine. Americans have been displaying racist contempt for Arabs for as long as I’ve been paying attention (decades now). Do you really claim to be unaware of this?
What do you think I mean when I talk about a tribalistic attitude towards morality? You respond by appealing to my presumed tribalism? I suggested you read Orwell’s essay “Notes on Nationalism” months ago–obviously if you did you learned nothing from it.
As for my discomfort, tribalism is a normal human failing and of course one feels discomfort once one is aware of the problem, but that’s part of the human condition, isn’t it? I don’t hate friends because some of them were (God help us) Bush supporters or supporters of the Iraq War. But you shouldn’t close your eyes to the ugliness of what some people believe.
As for Gaza, if the Israelis had treated the Palestinians as human beings from the start, and they had still received rocket fire, then they would have had the right to use carefully targeted violence, and not war crimes, in response. That was not the case. I don’t think the Palestinians should be using violence and the Israelis have much less right to use it than the Palestinians.
>> As for Gaza, if the Israelis had treated the Palestinians as human beings from the start, and they had still received rocket fire, then they would have had the right to use carefully targeted violence, and not war crimes, in response. That was not the case. I don’t think the Palestinians should be using violence and the Israelis have much less right to use it than the Palestinians.
Well said. Mr. Witty, however, appears to be all for “better arguments” and green yarn and poetry…but only if the Palestinians and their supporters are the ones offering the arguments, yarn and poetry. The Israelis, on the other hand, are expected only to offer the patience, restraint, reasoning and wisdom that comes from having suffered the Holocaust and “long-term exile”. And if that fails, well, there’s always mass murder in the name of self-defence.
“I do think that the Gaza War was necessary, in fact was insisted on by Hamas (which is why I hold them very highly responsible for the horror that befell Gazan civilians).”
Yep the classic rapist “defense”: provoked into rape and it’s the victim who is responsible for the crime. Isn’t that right Mr. Witty?
There’s a moral/immoral equivalency between the rapist and the raped. Welcome to Witty and Yonira’s universe, Aref!
Yes, in Witty’s world, no mean yes, and it’s the rape victim’s fault for not being nice enough to the attacker.
A lot of self-talk guys.
You won’t create a mass movement in that way. In fact, you’ll prohibit one from happening.
The extent of Israel’s response is condemned by many. The presence of one, a strong one, isn’t by many.
Witty, you racist scumbag. Why would we take your word for it?
You’re simply resorting to using a tribalist argument to convince us to turn off our concience and sense of justice and join the ranks of the masses.
Clearly you have contempt for individuality and independent thought. You cannot possibly be Jewish.
“you racist scumbag”.
You should listen to my advice, Shingo, if you are sincere in desiring change.
Its possible that you are either a plant, or just an ideolog, and are incapable of even asking yourself the question of what would be effective presentation.
Taking advice from you Witty is like asking a pedophile how to raise children.
There are effective presentations. The coverage of the 2006 Lebanon war and the 2008 Gaza war have been very effective in demonstrating that a psycopathic and terroist state Israel has become.
Blumental’s videos are another very effective medium.
Who is your model for effective presentation, Witty? Serious question.
Yes, facy that? A vile racist giving us advice on how to win hearts and minds?
Certainly not Blumenthal. You must be joking.
People that have respectfully and informatively challenged my understanding in books have included:
Bennie Morris (Righteous Victims)
Baruch Kimmerling
Akiva Eldar
Rashid Khalidi
You haven’t even read these books Witty.
Who are you trying to kid?
Lets review some of them.
Which do you prefer?
spent the past several days having my brain bleached.
I listened to a Tammy Bruce interview just before that. Bruce states she’s of Italian & Scots Irish heritage, raised Christian (Catholic, maybe), then goes on and on and on about how Jews invented western civilization, Jews are the chosen people, Italians and Scots Irish are NOT chosen for anything, no, wait, Scots Irish are chosen to fight….
I’m very badly educated to the extent I’m educated at all. Bruce is working on a PhD in history at Claremont. What’s worse, she commands a microphone. Where do racists like Bruce get their ideas? Who pays them to spout such nonsense? Have they no concept of how idiotic and offensive they sound?
I’d go as far as to say that the caption is unintentionally hilarious. I mean, it must sound completely absurd to anyone who isn’t a True Believer.
“obviously reprehensible taunting by Israelis”
You’re putting it mildly David. In any language this is mental cruelty, psychological torture. The woman’s house has been taken over which is already a cruelty beyond measure and what they’re doing is pouring the proverbial salt into the open wound. NowI have to admit that nobody does it better than those creatures. The settlers/colonists, especially seem to have elevated the technique to a form of “fine art”.
A case in point about the techniques of psychological torture employed by the settlers, here’s a video famously called the “sharmoota sharmuta video”. The settler woman admits to using such technique by teasing the Palestinian woman by calling her “sharmouta(whore) ” and pulling her tongue in a teasing fashion. Youtube pulled down this video many times but they allowed it back when the title “sharmoota sharmuta” was replaced by a much “nicer” headline.
link to youtube.com
“Even though no one is physically hurt, its story is as graphic as photos of Palestinian dead and wounded. The racist arrogance is almost unimaginable. These schmucks actually believe that God is smiling on their behavior. ”
I, obviously, was too quick to comment since I didn’t give myself the chance to finish reading your whole post David. You put it quite eloquently, I should add..
i agree. one of the most potent observations about the photo.
I don’t know if you have seen this photo, it was in the NYT, but it says it all about their disdain to humanity.
link to warincontext.org
as i recall that is hebron. have you seen the movie ‘the corner store’ ? it isn’t primarily about the occupation but lots of it takes place inside bethlehem and the go to hebron and film what its like in this shopping district. it feels very underground because they have this grid above them to prevent the garbafe the settlers rain down on them from above..all thru this shopping district. they piss on them, throw out their water, their garbage and when the camera shots up you can see all this crap they throw dow n on top of them. i don’t understand how civilized people can act and live this way.
The simple answer is they actively choose to cease being civilized.
Case and point, yonira and rachel. There is something decidedly atavistic about Zionism. That’s why it’s so blatantly incompatible with liberalism, despite Witty’s protestations, and proven whenever he’s forced to attack the very tenets of justice and rule of law in order to justify Zionism.
In the USA, the kid harassing the old women use to be called a “punk.” There’s a long pop teen movie tradition in the USA where
such despicable characters as this kid, and the young men in the subject photo of this thread, would be the role(s) cast for the
WASP high school or college teen villains; the heros would be the “outsider” kids who eventually always dealt the WASP pricks some payback justice… Many of those teen movies have been written and produced by Jewish Americans. Can you say, “irony?”
There’s an old saw: the test of virture is power. Even Truman noticed it, judging by his diary comments about the Zionists.
Citizen, I I had the same sentiment. I posted it in the original post that Olive had linked the photo. BTW. Its good to see you back, I always enjoy your posts.
God is smiling on them? Nonsense. They are triumphalists. They got “permission” somewhere to act that way, adn once they started doing it, it was fun. Taunting the “other” and the helpless is fun for some people, little boys often. But this behavior can be taught, adn, far more important, it can be taught AGAINST.
Where are the liberal Rabbis giving their lessons in good behavior? Is there, at long last, no decency among the Jewish leadership, not anywhere there? (But I will admit, it would be very hard after a lifetime becoming and acting as a committed Zionist to turn your own world on its head and start publicly distancing yourself from it. That’s why the younger generation becomes so important. The child shall be father to the man.)
The most appalling thing about that picture, IMO, is just how obvious it is that they are having fun.
Well Bary, the second guy from left, definitely has some reservations about his friends and may be camera shy. His parents may have even taught him some sense of right and wrong! It seems likely that he wasn’t out drinking the ultra-violence at the pub that afternoon with his fellow droogies.
But, those droogs are definitely gonna have a Ziocane headache (where’s mooser) the following day. I would hate to be their parents when little Jacov wakes up tomorrow. It ain’t gonna be pretty sending their boys back to schul and all…
I never thought of it this way, but you’re right — ultra-Zionist thuggery bears a striking resemblance to A Clockwork Orange. These droogs just got back from the moloko bar and are ready for the ultra violence. Good analogy.
Ethan Bronner’s son doesn’t just put on a show for the photographers like these guys. He actually joined the IDF where he can do serious harassment of the Palestinians up to and including death. He’s no wimp.
This foto is proof-positive that hate actually radiates.
A good comparison is to the photos of the white racists taunting the students integrating the schools in the US south.
The difference is that those faces were full of hate and fear – integration clearly posed a threat to them. These Zionists punks know they have nothing to fear, they are just having fun. “Be happy in your hate!”
oh my, i just posted a photo of little rock upthread potsherd. this is what it reminded me of.
What an excellent photo. Credit is due to Ahmad Gharabli.
The image is universal and it can be understood by anyone. The element that illustrates the racist nature of these youth, is the fact that it is an elderly woman. Although we don’t need to see her expression, it says more, since we can imagine what she is experiencing.
>> Although we don’t need to see her expression, it says more, since we can imagine what she is experiencing.
Yes, it’s abundantly clear that she is hating their freedoms. ;-)
Mondies are quite the art critics too, eh?
:-)
p.s. I heart Palestinian courage.
I once saw an image of a Jewish settler in Hebron spilling wine over a Palestinian woman just walking by and minding her own business.
These people are beyond racist.
What these settlers do to Palestinian homes and communities, the Zionists collectively did to the Palestinian state.
The tide is certainly changing. For WSJ to even carry this photo, even if it does so with the typical Western framing of the pathetic Palestinian, is indicative of that.
sherbrsi
I posted the photo of the wine spilling thug above. Here it is again:
link to warincontext.org
how can you tell she is elderly chu?
The sloped shoulders would indicate an older woman, and the shoulder pads would likely not be worn by a woman in her 20′s. She may not be elderly, but definitely above their age group. If she were in her twenties, it may be more of a frightening photo.
Can you imagine if this was a black woman waiting on the bus in the Upper East Side and someone snapped this photo?
…And they all seem to be drinking too much of the ultra-violence way too early in the afternoon. But in Israel, you can now put the mask on, Before the sun is setting!
That guy second from right needs to lay off the sauce though, he could be the new Israeli president in 2 decades. But this image may actually boost his career, at the rate the country is going.
i’m not seeing drinkers here. i think this is a la naturale.
I’m referring to clockwork orange!
there will no longer be an israel in two decades ….they will reap what they sow
And what will happen the the Israelis Javs?
A lot of them will bitch, moan and move back to Brooklyn or Miami or whatnot.
Lucky you, you can catch up with your old college buds then!
I tend to agree, annie. Of course that makes the pic that much more frightening. The NAZI youth weren’t drinking in those old photos either.
Reminds me of the famous photo from the civil rights era showing a group of jeering young white toughs someplace in the south grabbing their crotches and raising their middle fingers in response to demonstrators.
Two things stand out for me when I look at this picture
1. The evil of religious fanaticism
which justifies
2. Oppression without any empathy
What’s the matter with you people?You are nuts! You are working yourselves into an erotic state of outrage and self righteousness over a picture and no context. Just because that crazy islamic fundamentalist, Mr. Olive, reads tons into this scene, you should follow him like lemmings. How do you know these yeshiva boys are not having a light hearted moment with the woman? May be they are neighbours! May be they are just kibbitzing! If they were dangerous, she would be cowering in her house in fear. Even if they arguing, she is obviously not that scared of a bunch of religious teenagers.
Unfortunately, I don’t expect you people to use your heads. There is a switch that goes on in your reptilians brains when it comes to Israel , and off you go! You take leave of your senses, and judgement be damned! You are competing with each other of who can use the most vitriolic and hateful language. Bizarro world you live in!
Are you fucking kidding? They’re demeanor is intimidating there are several of them and one diminutive older lady. They would be universally recognized by their malevolant posture. This is all aside from the obvious cultural power differential. You know you’re being disingenous.
They’re should be their. Damn autocorrect is incorrect.
Now she is an old lady! You don’t need an excuse in any case!
What was actually stated:
(emphasis added)
What is it with Zionists and building straw men?
David Duke called. He has an award for you.
And I have an award for you too! My middle finger extending from Toronto to Bumfuck , USA.
Ciao!
Zionists. You’re so sophisticated!
“Zionists. You’re so sophisticated! ”
Yes we know, we have just been accepted into the OECD!
Mabrook, Israel, for your admission into the exclusive club of developed and sophisticated nations!
That’s all the time I have for you Chaos! So good night
These are undoubtedly foreign yeshiva students, most likely Americans
rachel knows her stuff Jewish madrassas, right?
perhaps so rachel.
“we have just been accepted into the OECD!”
link to coteret.com
FTA:
‘A senior EU official told Fuad, in a private conversation, the following: “You just signed an agreement, and that’s nice, but I don’t think the European Parliament is going to ratify it. Israel is in the worst situation it has ever been in vis-à-vis the world. They just hate you.
In other meanings Fuad had with senior officials identified as friends of Israel he got the same message. We are sick of Israel, stop carrying on about the Iranian bomb as long as you don’t put an end to your conflict with the Palestinians. People have no patience left for Israel. Your friends are disappearing or going underground, your enemies are multiplying.”‘
“You are working yourselves into an erotic state of outrage and self righteousness…”
Another weird and slurry message from the illiterate ziowino.
Or was that some kinda warped Freudian slip wrapped up in some repressed and dark notion that connects climax to occupation in your bizarre brain, rachel?
Taxi,
You have me pegged! Your psycho-analysis of my flaws leaves me humbled! You are a wanker too, aren’t you? 2 kindred spirits?
rachel, i thought you just said ciao? what happened, aren’t you leaving? are you trying to put your finger in the dike?
You’re not exactly a riddle to be deciphered, rachel and NO asshole only you around here is the wanker extraordinaire.
Taxi, taxi, taxi! You fall for it everytime! So easy to rile up! It is only virtual, man! Chillax!
Anyways, I am bowing out. Go ahead, resume your hatefest.
Annie, what were you saying about those synagogues in the States? Jewish madrassas, right?
Jewish madrassas, right?
rachel i don’t recall mentioning US yeshivas .
There’s always that wanker excuse of ‘i’m going to bed now’ with you rachel.
Well what can I say to that wank except don’t forget to take your meds and don’t forget your teddybear’s med’s either – he needs them more than you do.
i think rachel got excited talking about her long finger, she has to go to bed now and exercise it, fantasizing taxi’s all worked up no doubt. let’s leave her w/her guilty pleasures. g’night rachel.
It’s stalag porn, revisited.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Actually, when you think about it Rachel has a point.
They could just as easily be sharing a joke with this woman, or having a passionate discussion, but the sad fact is that we have seen this same tableau repeatedly for years now.
i wish i could get a closeup of that sixpacked forehead. that must have been some joke.
I doubt it Shingo. She’s Palestinian, evicted, in an arab neighbourhood in Occupied East Jerusalem. They’re Israeli’s who’ve deliberately come to her neighbourhood on Jerusalem Day. They look like fanatics.
Of course Sumud,
And teh backstory is pretty obvious.
Oh the famous word “context” used over and over by Zionists to justify whatever it is they need to justify: occupation, illegal/immoral settlements, bombing the crap out of Gaza, all in the name of another often used term “security”.
The WSJ reports: “Palestinian woman whose house has been occupied by Jewish settlers argued with Israelis who came to celebrate Jerusalem Day in the mainly Arab neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem” and you say maybe the Jewish boys and the woman are neighbors.
Now tell me who is the nut here?
The Palestinian woman was probably just paying the new occupants a friendly visit, to see how they were enjoying her home.
You can tell from their expressions that they were really enjoying it.
“How do you know these yeshiva boys are not having a light hearted moment with the woman?”
Rachel, I was raised in the pre-WWII rural south, the northeast corner of Georgia to be more exact. Pictures similar to this one and the picture on the man in Hebron throwing wine on an Arab woman could probably have been taken on any day of the week in the segregationist south, except the wine would have been coke, if the woman was lucky.
These are dehumanizing moments. The ones being dehumizing are the “boys.”
I was going to name “rachel”‘s comment as a splendid example of Poe’s Law until I saw the follow-up.
To think that those boys might be having a “light-hearted moment” with the woman, I think you’d have to have one of those neurological disabilities that makes you incapable of reading facial expressions (like one of the more serious autism spectrum disorders). The obvious conclusion is that “rachel” knows exactly what is going on here, and gets a kick out of acting like she can convince us there’s some uncertainty. It’s a completely typical bullying behavior (“stop slamming your head into the locker!”)
Rachel’s denial of reality is understandable. If she were to admit that effectively those thugs are mocking, teasing, provoking and taunting this woman in the vilest and meanest possible way then she has to admit that her own connection/relation, whether emotionally or intellectually to what they represent, is not as innocent as she would like to believe, and the sense of guilt would be too much to handle. That’s why her psychological defense mechanisms go into high alert mode and denial is at the very core of that mechanism. Without it the whole belief system is so vulnerable that no threat of this kind is allowed. Denial is the best defense against total collapse.
Another case in point is when she saw the nakba photos (on my blog) quite evidently portraying the exodus, the trail of the expelled, bare foot, carrying their elderly and all they could carry on their backs, the children in the mud, the tents, the queues for portions of food etc. All she managed to say is that the photos could be taken anywhere in the M.E in the 50s..
Can’t handle the truth.
I think it’s pretty damning and ridiculous that she denies the same sort of hideous behavior she herself indulges in, virtually every time she posts.
Her posts sometimes illustrate what I call mental cruelty meant to inflict pain, when they’re not just to taunt, tease and provoke. Never to engage as a perfectly admissible part in the debate as an opposing view or opinion. There’s a name I’ve given on my blog for this kind of comments that I usually ban, it’s TPT, taunt, provoke and tease.. Settlers have an amazingly skilled in that area. Unbelievable aptitude to cruelty.
“Settlers have an amazingly skilled”
are amazingly skilled..
Yeah, she sees it as taunting [kibbitzing], I see it as a learned psychosis.
Rachel’s defense of the tribe is based on her understanding that they have suffered for centuries, so a little taunting at an old woman is just fun & games. One day she may lose this sense of victim-hood and become like the rest of us. Like Richard Witty, she has the same problem; it’s not their fault. The non-Jews are to blame for all those centuries of oppression.
She’s just getting what’s owed to her. They’ve lost contact with reality over the concept of Israel. It’s their pie in the sky, but in reality, it’s a pig in a poke.
How do you know these yeshiva boys are not having a light hearted moment with the woman?
My friends and I always make nasty, contorted faces at elderly women, especially religious ones. They usually invite us in for milk and cookies. It’s a great way to befriend people outside your age group.
Its nice to be nice.
“Yeshiva boys.” A new euphemism?
>> How do you know these yeshiva boys are not having a light hearted moment with the woman?
Hmmm…come to think of it, the Israeli who appears to be throwing a cup of wine at that woman might simply have been trying to wash away some of the nearby graffiti and she, being appreciative of his efforts and not wanting to interfere with his good deed, was simply getting out of the way.
link to warincontext.org
I’ve got a photo of Rachel, too. She’s got the same expression on her face as she laughs at the lynched niggers hanging from the lamppost, how funny it is to see them dance their last dance.
Just good, clean racist fun.
Palaprop and reality are starkly different. They show a few idiots and decide and that changes the fact that the Palestinians reject peace. Have always rejected peace.
According to an independent poll reported by Haaretz:
” With respect to final status, 59% of Palestinians polled deemed an Islamic Waqf from the Jordan River to the Sea as “essential,” and an additional 12% as “desirable.” 71% said “greater Palestine” from the Jordan to the Sea was essential and 11% found that option desirable. How these apparent preferences square with a two-state solution is left unsaid.
- In contrast, only 17% of Israelis deemed the “greater Israel” option “essential” while 47% found “greater Israel” to be “unacceptable.”
link to haaretz.com
Israel will never be an Islamic Waqf. Time to get used to it.
Keep pouring the hate on those scary Arabs. It’s not going to be much longer before white trash like you becomes irrelevant to world politics.
Thaks for the link Julian,
It states in bold letters”:
“Independent survey finds 74% of Palestinians, 78% of Israelis willing to live alongside each other peacefully.”
None of your figurers re Islamic Waqf from the Jordan River to the Sea, appear anywhere in the articel to which you link,
You’re such a delusional wingnut, you’re even imagining your own polls. Witty does that with his imaginary news souces too.
I checked it out too, Shingo. He made it all up!
I’ve never seen anything like this before. How low!!
Julian caught in a blatant lie!! I clicked on his link and it doesn’t say anything he’s posting!! He made it up! Here:
Where’s the Islamic Waqf, Julian? Where’s “from the river to the sea” reference? Where’s the “greater Palestine” quotete? what a piece of fecal matter of a human being you are! Tfooh!
Go easy on Julian gents.
He’s been quiet and onely and needed some attention, even if it took him soiling himself in public to get it.
Although I’ve seen many fabrications and forgeries those despicable a..holes have been coming with over the years, I have never seen anything like this before.
I will not go easy on Julian. Over five thousand American soldiers are dead because of war-mongering twits like him. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg — at least American soldiers know they are living in life threatening situations. You can’t say the same for all of the Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistanis that have died as a result of what he represents.
I agree with chaos:
No easy-peasy on supporters of death and massacres!
That’s pretty low. To post a link and reinterpret the poll numbers and questions. One point deduction for blatant & misleading hasbara.
Julian fails “Copy and Paste 101″.
whew Rachel, talk about bizarro world, your world reminds me of Rushbo when he said the torture at Abu Graib was only like college fratenity hazing. No big deal.
Yeah, rachel, those yeshiva boys sure look light-hearted, mere pranksters. They sure look like they are just kibbitizing. How could she cower in her house when she was kicked out of it? There’s no vitriolic and hateful body language going on in that photo, nicht wahr?
Yshiva boys need to get laid more often – i don’t know by whom, but still…
:-)
“There’s no vitriolic and hateful body language going on in that photo, nicht wahr?”
I read once that more often than not, psychopaths have a very poor reading of body language.
Somewhat related article :
link to haaretz.com
what a horrid article lareineblanche. one might think by the title ‘IDF concerned settler violence could spark Palestinian uprising‘ they would report on clamping down on settler violence… but noooo.
any minute now they’re going to break into reporting about suppressing those settlers……they do report they are the ‘ worried about what some of the more radical settlers might do’….
i’m sensing a serious disconnect…
This is my favorite :
“Most of the settlement movement is fine, very normal, but a mosque set on fire and another mosque set on fire adds up,” Mizrahi said.
a serious disconnect…
Yes, for us, but maybe not for Mizrahi and the Kfir brigade.
The settler violence is seen as something “inevitable” and “unavoidable”, out of control in some places, but not accountable to being brought to any kind of justice. The only discussion is about military tactics and how to counter Palestinian revolt.
The Military Police is investigating a variety of crimes in the territories, from the killing of Palestinians and the illegal use of firearms to abuse and plunder.
You can be sure these investigations will somehow not go very far.
The most revealing sentence for me is this :
Much of the brigade’s (Kfir brigade) responsibilities have diminished recently, due to the increased activities of the Palestinian security forces.
“The settler violence is seen as something “inevitable” and “unavoidable”, out of control in some places, but not accountable to being brought to any kind of justice. The only discussion is about military tactics and how to counter Palestinian revolt.”
You put your finger on it lareineblanche.
This mentality is typical of Witty’s idology. Because the Israelis are so traumatized by Palestinian terrorist attacks, it is to be expected that they will react irrationally, destructively and exhibit all the behavioral characteristic of a psychopathic society. None of this is to be criticized, much less condemned or it will hurt the feelings of Israel and only make matters worse. The only solution is for the Palestinians to convince the Israelis that it is not necessary to murder them by the thousands and hopefully, this might possibly convince the Israelis to reform but only if they decide they want to on their own terms.
Any violence on the part of the Israelis is proof that the Palestinians haven’t tried hard enough or aren’t sincere.
Anything short of this prescription would lead to Israel feeling isolated and maximalist.
It’s al about self governance you see, mutual acceptance, reform and about the Palestinians comming to terms with the security needs of Israel, while forgoing their own.
You got it, Shingo. It’s ‘the world revolves around us’ concept.
As a former member of the settler society I can tell you that you are right. These are undoubtedly foreign yeshiva students, most likely Americans spending the year in Israel.
They are considered success stories by their parents and their home communities. This picture does not embarrass them.
The Israeli authorities nurture all these programs that bring young Jews to study in Israel.
This behavior is completely mainstream.
In my sinful youth I participated in Jerusalem Day parades. They were all about intimidating the Old City Arabs, staying up all night and the possibility of hanging out with like-minded girls.
This provides an interesting insight on the notion of “incitement.” Zionist hasbara always insists that “Arabs teach their children to hate.” Well, where else did these Jewish creeps learn their hate?
Elliot, I’m glad to hear you’ve reformed. What made you return to society? I may learn something here.
“If they were dangerous, she would be cowering in her house in fear. Even if they arguing, she is obviously not that scared of a bunch of religious teenagers.”
Rachel, danger means nothing when you are losing everything. Besides this, there is nothing to fear because the power imbalance is so obvious, that the fellows do not have to use any force to make their point – they just have to mock. Doesn’t the mocking look familiar to you? It speaks of absolute power and strength, it is the judgment of Buber coming to full circle, of the way that was chosen, what did he call it? “. . . the majority of the Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us. Hitler showed them that history does not go the way of the spirit but the way of power, and if a people is powerful enough, it can kill with impunity as many millions of another people as it wants to kill.” That was his mature judgment on his 80th birthday. The Palestinian woman has no home, shall she retire to the ghetto?
Assuming she manages to dodge the gas chambers long enough to retire, at any rate.
This path Israel is on goes in two directions, basically: downhill, and dead stop.
If they were dangerous, she would be cowering in her house in fear.
in rachel’s dreams. maybe she thinks palestinians are not accustomed to constant abuse. how many generation are we into now? how many palestinians have never known freedom? because of assholes and their protectors the idf? even for one day? and you imagine they will cower in the face of danger? i think you are completely underestimating the strength of palestinian women. she’s probably fantasizing of them cowering right now. someone should give these women an award, they are probably up there w/the bravest on earth.
not you VR, i forgot who i was talking to. i got carried away thinking of the bravery of palestinian women.
Yes, I know who you are addressing annie, no misunderstanding.
Did you notice what she is holding in her hand? She seems to be holding a silver serving tray. Perhaps she is saying this is one of the few things she has left, it could be any number of things she is saying.
What instantly came to my mind was a woman who I saw once who lost her home, by different means but similar result. She wandered the streets as a homeless person with a shopping cart, and in the shopping cart she had a few remaining possessions – some serving crystals, other items. She seemed to have lost her mind, a mixture of despair and muddled memories, unclear about many things but unflinching clear about one matter, the home she pointed to on a hill
“Did you notice what she is holding in her hand? She seems to be holding a silver serving tray. ”
I noticed it VR – I thought she might be banging it to make some noise – to remind the squatters in her home she hasn’t disappeared.
Sumud
Check the photo I just posted (last comment on this thread) The same woman sitting with her family in front of the evacuated house.
These loones will be moved up the list, as there faces are now on CD.
you should be careful what you wish for aparthied…..after you get it all…you will find out you did not want it.
They will all reap what they sow…yes indeed.
Ezra Nawi experienced the same laughter and mockery from IDF soldiers that demolished homes he was trying to protect. It is toward the end of the video, but it is in the same spirit of the laughter and mockery seen here in this photo –
DESTROYING PALESTINIAN HOMES IS FUNNY
They will not even allow them to build shacks for shelter
Kind of makes you wonder who was laughing after what happened to Rachel Corrie and Tristan Anderson.
Or who is still laughing about it.
I remember that one VR. A perfect illustration.
It makes me cringe how quick you guys were to defend the MSU student @ UCSD, but when Phil post something just as disgusting showing Zionists you do the exact opposite. Can’t both displays be equally sickening?
Wouldn’t an outsider look at these two blog posts, less than a day apart and question the objectivity of the comment section on Mondoweiss? It makes me wonder if Phil did it on purpose, perhaps testing the irrational thought of his ‘fan base.’
Did that MSU student bulldoze any Jewish homes? How many people do you know personally were rendered homeless by anti-Zionists? Seen any photos of trees in Jewish yards being uprooted in California?
I find this criticism very ironic, considering your college buds are out there doing the shit we see and this photo (and worse, as soldiers) and you have the gall to make some sort of phony equivalence.
Nobody’s children are being burned to charcoal because of us, yonira. Can you say the same?
Cringe all you like, but pick a side and stay on it!
There is no basis for comparison and these photos
are just a reminder of the filthy face of the settlers,
which you say are scum yourself, Yoni.
I hope all jews that are not like this place their photo name and address on a safe list, kharma has a way of kicking your ass when least expected. I would not want to hear about phil and company running into problems.
We could get all the good people into one state here in the usa …like detroit and only certain people will be allowed depending on their political and religous views. Then be separate from the usa and make it our own.
there are enough good malitias to put to shame the wackos with a grudge.
and technology…!
Jav,
i don’t clearly understand what you are saying. Are you saying Jews should watch out because of the actions of Israel? Who are you separating from who? Why would anyone want to go to detroit ;)
Too black for you, huh.
We could get all the good people into one state here in the usa …like detroit and only certain people will be allowed depending on their political and religous views. Then be separate from the usa and make it our own.
why don’t you go join the tea party jav
The Jewish KKK in action.
I am saying that if and when a revolution from the people whom are sick and tired of being played happen that all good jews should make sure they know where to go (meaning phil and company) cause after more and more truth appears to be getting noticed about the presidential puppets this country has had all along and that is eastern european zionists whom run the show, steal your money etc.. Detroit has a lot of real open space to be made and a lot of the real people in the usa everywhere want to be able to live without government interjection. screw this :so called government. I look at the eyes of the very people whom have been sent to the room and all them have very black eyes…as in a lot of the eye is not normal. I feel for Obama, he probably did not have a clue what was to come…but he changed too, and now they probably have threatened his family as a whole, if he does not do their bidding. Or they could end up like the kennedys…yes it has been that long if not a bit longer that the infiltration of the government took place. who do you see in charge, rahm and others.
holy shit, talk about deranged. why didn’t you cite the protocols?
I’m looking at these nebbish, nasally nerdy fucks and all I can think is, these guys need to make aliya to an American high school and get picked on by some manly men.
You shouldn’t do that in words, or knocks on the door could happen..but use the poteoz instead. I read them all, it is so very scary only because it is a mirror image of historical inhumanity that takes place all the time,….
I do not believe in a god, they created that fable too, for control
aliyah, dammit, mind your transliterations
Stop terrorism : BOYCOTT Israel and USA
I found this photo of the woman and her family sitting in front of their house after they’ve been thrown out and. This is the house in Sheikh Jarrah which was taken over by the colonist scum. The woman at the left seem to be the same as in the photo in the post. The same padded shoulders coat.
link to lorientlejour.com
BTW, it’s the same photographer Ahmad Gharbali. Here the story (in French)
link to google.com.au
>> The woman at the left seem to be the same as in the photo in the post. The same padded shoulders coat.
The coat appears to be the same, but the head-scarf is different. There’s no way to know if the two women are one and the same.
eljay
It’s the same “famous” house in Sheikh Jarrah that the settlers took over. The photo I posted was taken at the time this event took place, a year ago. The photo in the post at the top was taken recently, maybe last week.. A scarf could have been changed, less chances that a coat has been. Additionally, it’s the same photographer.
Finally, this family is still in the neighbourhood, they gather in front of the house every day.
scarf could have been changed, less chances that a coat has been.
these black coats are much too common to make that kind of assumption. imho
if this photo becomes as famous as i think it will her identity will likely be exposed.
>> these black coats are much too common to make that kind of assumption.
I was going to say the same thing: Two photos, taken roughly a year apart, showing a woman in a black coat (or a woman in a black dress at top, a woman in a coat in the linked-to photo). It could be the same woman, but not necessarily.
I’m not saying it’s not the same person – I’m just saying there’s no definitive link between the two photos to prove that it is.
“the language of liberal Zionism—with its idioms of human rights, equal citizenship, and territorial compromise”
I’ve never heard that language. Where is it spoken?
Spoken only in Wittyland, a realm of false dreams and delusions.
Its spoken at Haaretz in particular.
I know Haaretz takes a very critical view of Israel’s policies, but does it advocate equal citizenship for Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs?
Please say “yes”. It would be nice to know that.
Less than a five minute walk from my room at the Ambassador Hotel and less than ten from the Old City of Jerusalem is the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah.
Around the corner from the Ambassador and up the hill from the Al-Kurd Tent is a newly erected community center with a plaque “Dedicated to the Children of Shimon Hazadik Neighborhood” from a Dr. Rubin Brecher and family of Lawrence, New York.
According to Jewish tradition, Shimon Hazadik (which means ‘The righteous’) was the High Priest at the time of Alexander the Great. He reminded the people of what’s important in the world and he used to say: “On three things the world stands: the Torah, on Service [prayer] and on acts of kindness.”[2]
Mrs. Al-Kurd, known as Um Kamal [mother of Kamal] and her now deceased husband Mohammed had lived in the neighborhood from 1956 until the morning of November 9, 2008 when the Israeli police enforced a court order that evicted them. I met her the first time then and have visited her on each of my return trips to oPt.
During my June 10, 2009 visit, I asked Um Kamal where her calm strength and perpetual smile came from, she gestured to the sky and responded, “Allah: God gives me.”
Maher Hannoun [a friend and neighbor who was also recently evicted] interjected, “Um Kamal is a strong woman because she has a strong connection to this land where we both were born! Even for millions of dollars we would never sell our land, our hopes, our dreams! We are here legally and we have a contract that was signed between the government and UNWRRA, but what gives us the real power to fight is seeing all the people who come to be with us here believing in human rights. We need every one to carry our message around the world that this is our home and we will never leave here.
“In Gaza they attacked with F16 tanks. In Jerusalem they attack with evictions and transferring property. More than 500 homes in this neighborhood have already received eviction notices. They are building 200 settler units and an American Israeli company named Nahalat Shimon Builders is behind it.”
Nahalat Shimon is also the name of a settler group and a real estate company.
Excerpted from “The Many Layers of NaHalat Shimon beg the question: Where’s the money coming from?:
link to wearewideawake.org
hello eileen, i recall vividly sitting next to you that day in june, they offered our entire motley crew tea as we sat around outside their tent. you were interviewing Um Kamal and Maher Hannoun and their family members.
wishing you well.
OH wow! how great to reconnect with you.
And thank you for recalling the generous hospitality Palestinians offer ‘strangers’ as that is the way to friendship.
I’m glad to hear the presence, support and advocacy of internationals is being felt by Palestinians. The total domination of the [false] zionist narratives up until a few decades ago must have been so discouraging, especially on the refugee population.
I recently watched your interviews with M. Vanunu, great stuff Eileen!
A Palestinian woman “sharing a joke” with young settler thugs.
link to 4.bp.blogspot.com
If that were a Palestinian woman and kid beating up on a Jewish Israeli woman, this photo would be on the front page of the NYT and there would be universal outcry.
Utterly disgusting.
This photo is part of a set where you see the action in sequence. Curiously enough I can’t find the others and this is the only one available now.
Btw, Youtube has been taking down many videos documenting the settler thugs violence.
Though of course, the MEMRI deceptions and the anti-Arab hate speech? Those get to stay up.
Chaos
Did you see Julian’s latest attempt at deception? You should. It’s Zionism’s history condensed in one post! Mind boggling!
This the one where he cites a Haaretz article, then makes up B.S. about poll results that show up nowhere in what he cites? What can you expect from an alumnus of the Donald Rumsfeld school of integrity?
a few months ago i watched a video of them hacking away at the olive trees as the owners were crying and the father saying his father had planted those trees. the settlers were armed w/machine guns. the idf stood nearby and one of the settlers got up into the idf guys face and was confronting him about something..’don’t you read the torah’ or something and then naming passages including deuteronomy…the subtitles were flying by so fast i kept pausing it and writing down his lecture. then i went to deuteronomy and searched for the passages (something about burning down all the enemies trees..can’t quite remember). i’m glad i copied it all because the youtube was gone within a day. they scrub stuff that’s too revealing.
Annie
I heard the Deuteronomy quotes being brought up many times as justifications for many of their actions. Poisoning the wells, the livestock, slashing the donkeys throats etc.
Yes Chaos. He fabricated the whole thing. He made the results to show the opposite of what they say and added BS as well.
completely agree about NY Times yellow journalism. Next to that article would be a case for Iranian sanctions.
Iran is the thorn in the back of Israel. It interferes with their plans for Manifest Destiny.
There are too many comments so I am unsure if this has already been said:
I wonder what goes through the minds of those boys as they confront the woman who used to live in the house she was thrown out of. Do they feel any sense of guilt? Or is that too optimistic an explanation for their acting out? Do they ever consider “there, but for the grace of God, go I…” or any such sentiment? Do they fear where their society will end up?
What’s to feel guilty about? Israeli kids are indoctrinated to think of Palestinians as unworthy of even basic human rights. Those young men in the photo are thugs, nothing less:
‘Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don’t want equality for Arabs’
link to ynetnews.com
Annie, thankgodimatheist and Chaos4700.
Gaza Celebration of Terrorist Attack on Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in which 8 Israeli students were murdered by Arab terrorist gunmen.
Look at the celebrations in Gaza when the Palestinians heard news of the massacre.
This is who you want Jews to support? You must be all crazy!
link to youtube.com
Friday, March 7, 2008
Gazans Hand Out Candy in the Streets (Video)
Even the BBC manages to put a headline on the horror of yesterday’s attack: Eyewitness: School ‘like slaughterhouse’
Why dont Philip Weiss show the pics of the Palestinians handing out candy in celebration, when news of mass murdering Palestinians hit the airwaves.
link to solomonia.com
You’re right; they’re not civilized like Israeli Jews…
…who celebrate the killing of Gaza civilians handing out coffee.
“‘Gaza Celebration of Terrorist Attack on Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in which 8 Israeli students were murdered by Arab terrorist gunmen.”‘
British anger at terror celebration
link to timesonline.co.uk
That other county in the world celebrated a terrorist attack in their name 60 years after the fact? The same state that was founded on terrorism and who elected terrorist leaders to the office of PM.
occupy nomo, these are your comments.
Two things stand out for me when I look at this picture
1. The evil of religious fanaticism
which justifies
2. Oppression without any empathy
Does this stand out to you.
Palestinians celebrate 9 11
link to youtube.com
Remember the PA trying to Block all Coverage of the Palestinians Cheering 9/11 Attacks.
My favorite was the Palestinians threatening every journalist with their lives if they showed the video of the Palestinians celebrating.
occupy nomo this is an article you should read.
link to camera.org
Does this stand out to you?
Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
link to haaretz.com
“My favorite was the Palestinians threatening every journalist with their lives if they showed the video of the Palestinians celebrating.”
Camera.org is a zionist propaganda site.
Sammy, are you upset about this?
link to cbsnews.com
May. 16, 2010
Hamas Destroys Dozens Of Homes In Southern Gaza
Hamas Rulers Evict Gaza Residents, Tear Down Dozens Of Homes It Says Were Built Illegally
Hamas police wielding clubs beat and pushed residents out of dozens of homes in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on Sunday before knocking the buildings down with bulldozers, residents said.
Gaza’s militant Hamas rulers said the homes were built illegally on government land. Newly homeless residents were furious over Palestinians on bulldozers razing Palestinian homes.
For years, Palestinians have criticized Israel for destroying houses, mostly because they were built without permits issued by the military. Now, Rafah residents complained, their own government, run by the Islamic militant Hamas that seized power in Gaza in July 2007, has done the same.
“They promised reform and change – instead they’ve destroyed our homes,” shouted Miasar Gan, a 54-year-old woman. Gan said she and her husband had nowhere else to go.
“I found my mattress, and that’s where I’ll be sitting,” she said, standing next to the concrete chunks – all that was left of her house.
Her neighbor, Nazira Abu Jara, 56, said policewomen wearing face veils typical of conservative Muslim women beat her with clubs until she fled her house with her husband and two children. “Neighbors help us get by with charity. We can’t afford to build again,” Abu Jara said.
Others picked through rubble to retrieve dusty clothing and mangled furniture.
Residents said between 30 and 40 homes were torn down, ranging from concrete structures to tin shacks. They did not know how many people were affected. Hamas officials did not allow reporters into the area until the demolition was over.
Residents said more demolitions in the area were expected Monday.
Even if they are allowed to rebuild, Israel does not allow most building materials into the territory it has blockaded since Hamas seized power. The newly homeless residents are unlikely to be able to afford the steep black market prices for concrete, steel and wood. Some of the families cannot afford rent.
Rafah’s mayor, Issa Nashar, promised alternative housing. Gaza’s housing minister Yousef al-Mansi said he had no information about such housing.
Yes, very, why isn’t Israel allowing building materials into Gaza so the elected government can provide alternate accomodation which is not on government land? Usually, in my country, when residents are kicked out of government land, they are given alternate accomodation.
I don’t think they are tied together, and Israel is letting in more building materials (definitely not enough though).
When Israel destroys Palestinian homes, Davdsiden cheers.
When Hamas destroys Palestinian homes, equally Davidsiden cheers.
Either way, David cheers.
David just pretends he’s concerned that Hamas is destroying Palestinian homes. Don’t get him wrong!
Don’t exaggerate – they let in a single convoy of trucks, from memory less than 20. Less than token.
Another little deposit of zioturd from DavidSiden.
sammy, the point is when Hamas destroys houses that doesn’t seem to bother Philip Weiss or Adam Horowitz.
Do you notice not one single word about this was said by Philip?
>> … the point is when Hamas destroys houses that doesn’t seem to bother Philip Weiss or Adam Horowitz. Do you notice not one single word about this was said by Philip?
You seem to have the same comprehension issues eee had. This site is about Israel’s abuses against the Palestinians, not about the abuses of Palestinians against each other. If you want to voice your concern about what Palestinians do to other Palestinians, join a blog that deals with that issue or start a blog if you can’t find one to join.
Yes, it does seem rather spiteful of Hamas – incorrectly described as the group that “seized power in Gaza in July 2007″ (they were democratically elected) – to have torn down those homes. But, right or wrong, that has nothing to do with Israel’s actions against the Palestinians, just like the U.S.’s treatment of Native Americans has nothing to do with Israel’s actions against the Palestinians.
Re: Bible demon Jews add fuel to the fire belittling helpless Palestinians they have evicted from their homes where they have lived for centuries and taken over.
Makes you want to send in a ‘donation’ in to the Zyklon-B gas cannister wholesalers so that ‘someone’ can now ‘finish the job’ the little man with the funny mustache from Austria failed to do – as time ran out.
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
You now have over 60,000 missiles, rockets and white phosphorus artillery munitions: ‘Kill ‘em all Hezbollah – let their G-d sort them out.’.
Are you out of your mind?
Arizona, the “Papers, please” state. Represented by John McCain.
Also home to my aunt who chewed out my grandmother for having the gall to attend the funeral of my cousins’ father (and the same aunt’s ex-husband). In my grandmother’s birthday card.
That answer your question in a nutshell?
Reported for obvious reasons.
You need to put a lid on it real quick, or leave.
Meh. Does it matter whether he shuts up, leaves or gets banned? Either way this is the last we’ll have to suffer this particular neo-Nazi.
Probably right.
TheAZCowBoy,
May I suggest you seriously rethink that commet and post a retraction. That kind of bile has no place on this forum.
Otherwise, go find yourself a home at Stormfront.
What he said could easily be cut’n'pasted as a Ziodrone post, maybe this Wannabe-Baby-Burner should get in touch with the Hasbara Brigade as the Bile/min rate is pathetic compared with their volkish ideological cousins in Jerusalem. It would make sense, like corporations merging to cut costs in desperate times, these are the last remainants of this ethno-centric mindset so inexorably drawn to having their entire self-worth defined by how much they hate. Since like all scapegoating it doesn’t actually matter who or why, and facts are inconvienient anyway, it would be simple job of re-adjusting the mythology a bit and then they could find a friend and feel less alone.
NeoNazi alert!
Go screw yourself AZCowBoy. You are nothing more than a pathetic specimen of white spuremacist hateful rhetoric.
Aref,
The irony of the cowboy from arizona is that if you swap ‘arab’ for ‘jew’ in his statement, you get the islamaphobic/christophobic zionist illegal settler mindset.
Every zionist dude in the photo above IS a WestBankCowboy/AZcowboy.
Yes sad, but true.
Taxi, yes I know and it is ironic indeed. Both are scum bags fascists. We might see this neo-nazi Cowboy doing the same thing with a group of other gas-chamber-operators-wannabes doing the same thing to a brown skinned person in Arizona.
Aref,
We’re all human, we all hate a little every now and then – but AZcowboy and the zio dudes in the foto, their hate is so deep, so dark and enduring – i mean it is simply unfathomable to me!
Where the fuck do they get the energy to sustain a continuing supply of this caliber of compacted and contorted hatred?
How does the world snuff out this wretched force of evil that wears so many skin colors and nationalities?
You got sun-stroke and constipation simultaneously arizona cowboy.
Your vile statement of hate has NOTHING to do with the plight of the Palestinians.
So, FUCK OFF outa here!
TheAZCowBoy responds….
In 1980 I went to Israel to train Jewish fighter pilots in the fine points of aerial combat and how to ‘Fly-Fight & Win.’ In 1982 when Israel invaded lebanon I read about ‘my’ pilots massacring men, woman and children.
Today, I am a big contributor to the Zyklon-B ‘Do it to an AshkanNazi Jewish terrorist’ gas club and have no regrets.
After the Gaza 2008 massacres I have doubled my efforts to destroy – not defeat – the ZioNazi’s of that 1/2 acre of Zionist hell – The, so-called ‘Light unto the nations’ – must die!
Withdraw my comments – NEVA!
God bless the Palestinians – God is on their side. If you don’t believe it read: ‘Psalm 145:20.’ “The evil ones Jehovah will annihilate.”
Amen Pilgrim!
Pssst, hey TAXI, you have a bugger hanging outta your nose, LOL!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
And you got your brains hanging out of your ass.
Is there a law like Godwin’s Law that states something like the longer an internet thread gets the higher the probability that it will get really weird?
To all those that have been critical of TheAZCowBoy’s postings… ahem!
You watching TV?
You seen the bloody bodies being carried off the Free Palestine humanitarian ship that was brutally attacked today by the Jewish rats and did you see the video of the Jewish vermin of the IDF dragging them off to nearby Israeli hospitals ‘praying’ that they aren’t dead? See, why the Jews are headed for their waterloo – very soon?
Well, like I said, ‘The Zkklon-B club of which I am president, at an emergency meeting held this Memorial Day, has voted for another $500,000. to purchase another 12,896 Zyklon-B cannisters and we are sending them to the Hezbollah warriors with a note: ‘Please send us some Jewish ‘pelts’ – we will pay you $300.00 each …. $800.00 if the have tattoo’s on them and $1,200. if they hace SS numbers tattooed on them..
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone, AZ.
Pssst, hey TAXI, what do ‘you’ know about brains, huh Pilgrim?
Congratulations, Israel. You just put a full load of arrows in the collective quiver of anti-Semites worldwide.
Duh Dr. Gas, why duh I duh… your eye-patch is a little askew.
do you think he would be upset to know he’s every Zionists wet dream, an indispensable part of the ‘ big plan ‘ .
He reads too much like a cartoon – could be a hasbara plant to rile up sympathy for all I know and care.
But one thing’s for sure: when I say this to AZCOW, I say this on behalf of ALL PALESTINIANS ALL OVER THE PLANET:
FUCK OFF NAZI!
FUCK OFF ISRAEL TOO!!
Fuck off you little Nazi shit.
Ahhhh, q-u-i-v-e-r.
That’s what Natanyahu’s ‘huevos’ are doing right now as he heads home after another one of his debacles. Remember the Wye Plantation Conference – Natanyahu left with Clinton’s boot ‘up-his-ass’ after he demanded Clinton release Jewish traitor Jon Pollard from his Quantico cell – sentenced for 20+ years for spying on America
The free Palestine flotilla debacle: Remember, the ‘idiot savant’ George W. Bush pulled the same stunt. he went to the Chinese Olympics after giving Mikail Sasskavili, the US ‘puppet’ president of Georgia the green light to attack Ossetia.
Unfortunately, the Russians kicked his teeth out and all the US/Israel weapons in Georgia’s armory ended up in the Russians hands, LOL!
TheAZCowBoy
Tombstone
dba: IDidntVote4TheBassTerd@msn.com
Hey TAXI, that bugger is getting to me. Wipe it off Pancho!
Dude your bathtub’s on fire! Shouldn’t you be like checking your Zyclope gas stock or something?!