World opinion of Israel continues to plummet. I wonder why?
Update: According to Noam Sheizaf's Promised Land blog:
This bizarre “satiric” video was sent to all foreign correspondent by no other than Government Press Office head Daniel Siman. After a few minutes came another e-mail, claiming the video was sent “by mistake”.
It’s not the first time Siman is trying to crack these kind of jokes. As the flotilla was heading to Israel, he sent an E-mail to all foreign correspondents offering them recommendations on Gaza’s restaurants.
Wish I could somehow unwatch that. Incredible. It was even more painful than Star Wars: Episode 1.
This is one of my favorite comments ever.
You wish you had my luck, Pamela. The sound on my comp is kaput. Though I have a tiny idea what it’s all about.
JUST Episode 1?
I’ll see your Episode 1 and raise you Star Wars: Trilogy. How ’bout that?
Hey, maybe this barbershop Hasbara group could get a gig this weekend at the Israel pic.nic. music festival. Klaxon and Gorillaz just pulled out of playing in Israel. Your move, Elton John!
link to haaretz.com
the only thing to say here is BDS.
BDS.
BDS.
@Ultra_Bravo
Wow, is that Caroline Glick the JPost columnist?
Yes
And Karni Eldad, the Haaretz columnist.
On Karni Eldad.
… and besides,” I said, pulling out the doomsday weapon, “besides, I’m spoiled.”
ROFLMA
“One of these hilltops had a special attraction for us. It has a mixed population, an excellent location, is close to civilization but not too close, without any Arab villages nearby. A young community, with young people who have a dream, and all the intrigues of any small community.”
Unbelievable.
Eldad likes to portray the “cute” side of the fascist settler movement. Her dad, MK Arie Eldad (the same one that shouted obscenities at MK Haneen Zoabi in the Knesset the other day) doesn’t do cute. The name Karni, by the way, comes from Jabotinsky”s novel, Samson.
Caroline’s just defending her right to bare arms ;-)
A textbook example of psychological projection.
my thought exactly. i’m stunned. speechless.
I suggest some of the esteemed US journalists do this video: Bronner (with IDF son) and Kershner of the NY Times, Zacharia of the WP, maybe Gradstein of NPR, Blitzer of CNN, and a few others I forgot………
With Friedman of course leading the charge.
Speaking of BDS…
Maybe someone should send this to Elton John since he is supposed to be playing in Tel Aviv this month. He didn’t sing in the original, but it might drive the point that culture and music is political.
Shockingly racist, unfunny, insensitive and pathetic.
Kind of like Netanyahu’s astoundingly tone-deaf comment, “That wasn’t the Love Boat. It was a hate boat.”
No contrition whatsoever. Not even pretend contrition.
Bart Simpson: “I’m excellent at fake apologies.”
Marge: “Bart!”
Bart [hangs head]: “I’m sorry.”
Marge: “That’s better.”
Bart: “Heh heh heh…”
Like, not even that level of contrition. Amazing.
I’m surprised this junk got bandwidth on Mondoweiss.
So what else is new in this video? That Israel continues to milk and blackmail the world into feeling sorry for it as it continues to play the victim card is nothing new. I wonder how many of the the delusional neanderthals in that video are native born Israelis. Perhaps the ones with US citizenship should be stripped of their citizenship and have their US assets confiscated seeing as they are taking the side of a foreign nation that has murdered US citizens.
Nearly every site with commentary now is filled with comments like “kill the Jews. The Jews are scum. This is what the Jews are. Off the Jews”
I do not believe these people are traditional anti-Semites saying this. These are ordinary (not too bright ) people who are outraged and disgusted with what Israel is doing and associate the Jewish state with Jews in general.
Israel would be GLAD to provoke the world into a new round of pogroms against Jewish people. That would be the ultimate propaganda coup they are waiting for except that it’s Jews like me that are going to get killed in the process.
Destroying Israel is a matter of self-preservation for ALL Jews of the diaspora. We need to be at WAR with these monsters, not support them.
Israel would be GLAD to provoke the world into a new round of pogroms against Jewish people.
This can go both ways DJ, look at the ISM or the IHH, they get the most media coverage and their motives have the best chance of being reached after Israel kills someone. The flotilla as a whole was a humanitarian mission, but there were many on the ships, many around the world, and many on this blog whose dream came true when Israel killed those activists.
link to youtube.com
“and many on this blog whose dream came true when Israel killed those activists”
Gosh, my yoni-shmoni, you got any way to substantiate that? Or does it just seem somehow, well, so goddam true when you see it printed on the screen?
Oh, wait, I see, it’s linked to a You-tube video!
Next I expect you to ask us to acknowledge how wonderful Israel is for fulfilling all those “dreams”.
What a piece of work you guys are.
What is interesting is what it takes to get the blockade on the front page and to get governments and the NYT editorial page (I often confuse the two) to say the blockade is unsustainable. Apparently quiet diplomacy doesn’t work. You have to send brave people in harm’s way (i.e., within gunshot range of a military that shoots girls in the eye) and if something goes horribly wrong and it can’t be (completely) covered up, all of a sudden people start paying attention.
I do not believe these people are traditional anti-Semites saying this. These are ordinary (not too bright ) people who are outraged and disgusted with what Israel is doing and associate the Jewish state with Jews in general.
I think a large majority of it is hasbara tactics. Sayanim and Israeli apologists will write that crap just to then turn around and use it as a prefabricated excuse for the existence of a Jewish state.
dan..I wouldn’t be surprised.
Y0nira..I’m not convinced the video is legitimate. Anything’s possible and even if the guy made this statement, I’d say the analogy is not a very good one. Sure, there are Arabs who look forward to martyrdom in the service of a cause they believe in. Israel wants to martyr other Jews for its cause. Not quite the same.
It’s also two VERY different things to say that the killing of the flotilla passengers helped the Palestinian cause and saying “it was a dream come true” which is pretty perverse and suggests that people in the movement are overjoyed about what happened. That’s a sick conclusion you haven’t any basis for. Finally, if Israel was so concerned about its image, why did it stage a murderous night time raid on a civilian aid convoy?
I have no excuse for the raid, it was a mistake from it’s inception.
Of course the video isn’t legitimate, that argument gets old after a while. Was the english to english translation some how doctored?
Israel made a huge mistake, sure i know that, every Zionist and non-Zionist knows that. They played right into the hands of the IHH. Mission accomplished, I don’t see why you guys try to hide it.
I for one hope these activists didn’t die in vain, I hope their plan works, the siege is lifted and the occupation ends.
The whole truth will come out, we already know 3/4 of the truth, Israel fucked up big time and will pay heavily for it, the other 1/4 is yet to be seen.
Yonira, it was planned to include assassinations, stop saying it was a mistake. 4 bullets into the head of an activist is proof enough that there was no mistake. Your IDF soldiers are sick, sick, sick.
Contrary to what this song said, there is no pretending about it. the IDF is Jack the Ripper, and worse.
Would you describe a Hamas missile attack that wiped out a group of Israelis as a “mistake” or “un-needed” and “un-warranted?” Would you complain about how Hamas played into the hands of Israeli propaganda?
Your comments come off as being insincere, like the boilerplate “deep regret” Israel expresses after every fresh atrocity.
Haven’t you heard? Yonira’s in full Holocaust-denial mode about the autopsy report from that murdered Turkish American. The article that was quoted was from a Turkish news organization, which in his mind resides in a filthy Muslim country so obviously its all lies.
yonira – if, for the sake of argument, there had been a North Korean sub in the neighbourhood of the Gaza flotilla and that submarine, seeing a civilian ship under armed attack in international waters, had rendered assistance by sinking the attacking ships and in the process, killed all aboard the attacking ships , would you condemn the North Koreans for taking part in a pogrom against the Jews and demand that the World invade North Korea or would you say it was a legitimate action against an aggressor? I know this is far-fetched but it is no more far-fetched than VP Biden’s claim that an investigation by Israel would be independent. BTW, in the past I might have believed Biden’s claim but with the current government in Israel, definitely not!
You’re putting Witty to shame. I thought he was mentally deranged. You’re just ****** out of your mind.
Is that nonsense supposed to make us feel better about your comments here? Or are you merely using it to convince yourself that you are somehow, in some convoluted way, in the right? Don’t answer that. I won’t bother reading it, anyway.
And, I reported your comment. Hopefully this time, Phil and Adam will ban your IP address too.
Your post doesn’t make any sense ari.
Not to you it doesn’t, decentjew. That’s obvious.
Yes, it’s true. Anti-Semitism is growing rapidly since the raid. Time to remember Brian Klug’s article in the latest Tikkun.
“Are Israeli Policies Entrenching Anti-Semitism Worldwide? Email Article To a Friend”: link to tikkun.org
It’s not anti-Semitism to hate murderers. Israel is a sick perversion of Jewish culture and has nothing to do with actual Judaic values and principles.
Chaos, “Jewish Culture is whatever we make it. And if what Israel “has nothing to do with actual Judaic values and principles” than we are wasting our time kvetching about Israel and Jewish values, and it won’t tell us anything useful.
Besides, what is the big mystery about Israel’s actions and attitudes which will be solved through the perspective of Jewish culture?
It’s not like they’re hiding anything.
Wondering about Israel and Judaism is just a good way to drive yourself nuts. The Israelis have already done so, don’t join them.
Is it Herl who said of the anti-Semites “they will be our allies”?
In most cases, these comments are by hasbarachiks, designed to associate legitimate anger and grief at Israel’s atrocities with deranged and psychopathic anti-Semitism. A rational but uninformed person reading these comments will be appalled that the anti-Semitic remarks are being tolerated and will either be turned off to the forum altogether or tend to see more reasoned criticisms of Israel in the same light.
Simple question: would the spontaneous outpouring of rage by people whose anger at Israel had just reached the point where it boiled over into anti-Semitism manifest itself as a desire to see all the Jews killed or “sent to the ovens?” A real anti-Semitic comment would more likely simply express hatred in a generic way, rather than some sort of specific mass death wish. How many “liberals to the death camps!” comments do you see, even though hatred of liberals (and in reverse, teabaggers) is obviously quite intense?
kind of a “fight them over there so they don’t fight us over here?”
isn’t that antisemitism?
no, it’s the American way
holy shit, just remembered some more lines from Toby Keith’s ode to all that’s good and true and pure about Amurika:
“we’ll put a boot in your eye
it’s the American way…”
I don’t think I like being an American any more.
“Uniting for Peace” Resolution in the UN General Assembly
There are two visible mechanisms for putting principles into action, neither of which is hostage to a US veto. One — often discussed but not yet done on this issue — is to invoke the “Uniting for Peace” Resolution in the UN General Assembly, which gives the UNGA the enforcement mechanisms available in other circumstances to the Security Council. My reading of the reaction to this incident is that at this time, there are more than enough votes in the UNGA to do this.
Remember that a resolution designed by the US to circumvent Soviet intransigence and vetoes in the Security Council of its day, can and should with equal justice be directed against the US for the same reasons today on this issue. All countries would not take all of the actions enumerated above, but enough would take some of them to make life very interesting for Israel and its minions in the USG.
Second, there is NATO itself. Turkey has said it would provide escort to future efforts at sending aid to Gaza, presumably on Turkish-flagged ships. It is a key regional player and has been a good ally for decades, and it should not be required to act alone on something that ought to have activated the collective defense provisions of the NATO treaty: between 9/11, used as a pretext for NATO to become engaged in Afghanistan, and the attack on the Turkish part of the Gaza aid flotilla, is a difference only of degree and not of kind.
A NATO multinational naval presence off the Gaza coast is just what is needed for openers, and if it is supplemented by another under UN auspices, so much the better. Indeed, even a single warship from any other country joining even one from Turkey to escort the next ship through Israel’s illegal blockade would send a much-needed and long overdue signal neither Israel nor the USG could ignore. Israeli arrogance has given the world an opportunity to change things, if it dares — and perhaps it will.
link to salem-news.com
Yonira –
Why did the man in the video not succeed in becoming a shaheed on the previous two missions? Did his suicide vest fail to detonate?
You are reading his statement as an attack on you when all he is saying is that he is willing to die for the cause.
This is all assuming a. that this is authentic and b. that the statement was made in context.
You need to add a lot of bad faith to the video to interpret it your way.
Elliot..I’m sorry I called you a moron the other day.. I wasn’t in the mood for justifications and I was wrong.
fair enough Elliot, you could be right, i could be right, not worth arguing. Just a question though, do you buy hook line and sinker that the kid with the dual Turkish/American citizenship was shot 4 times in the head?
>>Just a question though, do you buy hook line and sinker that the kid with the dual Turkish/American citizenship was shot 4 times in the head?
What gives you reason to doubt?
where did you here about it NOFN? do you have a link to the news source?
Fake-Jew David Dukota demands a news source! Although unless it has dot-il at the end of it, obviously it’s “Pallywood.”
link to andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com
nice source, it says the turkish press,
columbian press says Jesus is spotted bogata,
sorry i am not buying it, al-jazeera interviewed his father, he didn’t say anything about 4 headshots (how does a head even take four shots and still be recognizable?)
Proving once again, if it isn’t press that’s white and Jewish owned, yonira will discard it out of hand. No doubt in favor of littlegreenfootballs or jihadwatch.
Yonira,
>> nice source, it says the turkish press,
Come on. That is no reason to disbelieve the report. You can say you’d like corroboration, but you can’t say just because it is the “Turkish press” it is false. All you do by this is further encourage your fanclub here that you are a bigoted observer.
Given what the Israelis have done to date, I would not at all be surprised that they went beserko on the ship, popped the guy once from the front, and then buried four more shots into the back of his head, just to be sure. That would be in keeping with the character of this group, as evidenced by what we do know to be fact.
As for his father not saying anything about the four shots in the head, well, (and sorry for the yelling): HIS SON HAS JUST BEEN KILLED. YOU DON’T TEND TO WANT TO GET INTO THE BLOODY DETAILS OF YOUR SON GETTING MURDERED ON NETWORK TV.
Man, sometimes you can be utterly insensitive.
Who says it was? I’ve read that at the time the Israelis surrendered the bodies of the slain to the Turkish government, they had not all been conclusively identified.
Identification of corpses has come quite long way since the days of ‘just checking the face’. They might have compared dental records or just checked his wallet.
“(how does a head even take four shots and still be recognizable?)”
You are one sick son-of-a-bitch Yoni.
Maybe they could identify him because they knew who he used to be, before the Israelis blew his head off?
Or maybe the activists brought along a headless body and changed clothes with the boy?
Yonira’s nothing more than a thug with blood on his claws looking for yet another excuse to hate and kill people with skin a few shades darker than his own who speak a different language.
An autopsy will determine that.
It reminds me of Clinton supporters efforts to use “music” to counter Obama-mania in the primaries.
You gotta love this headline:
Smuggling Marbles To Hamas: Flotilla Cover-Up Unravels
” Palestine Monitor
“Before civilian blood hit the deck of the ill-fated Mavi Marmara, the Israeli government, IDF and right-wing press had already launched their PR offensive.”
link to palestinemonitor.org
Swarthy, unshaven, fanatical, Jew-hating, suicide marbles, of course.
To steal a word from Israeli military jargon, such statements were directed at ’delegitimising’ the flotilla’s passengers, who, stripped of their rights as people, could now expect the brutality routinely directed at Israel’s perceived enemies.
In today’s Haaretz, Amira Hass’ tries to restore their stolen humanity, with the help of two volunteer Turkish-Hebrew translators, who spent many hours with the passengers of the Mavi Marmara. I don’t think it has been translated into English yet, but I’m sure it will be.
Not in Coteret yet..
And in the meantime, the Parliament of Fowles has some help for the U.S. Congress, in the form of a draft resoltuion in support of the best friend and ally the U.S. has ever had.
“Proposed Joint Resolution No.666 Supporting Israel”
At link to mantiqaltayr.wordpress.com
Scroll down till you get past the last video of Hanin Zoabi.
(MSP RoHa adds: Oddly, neither she nor Huwaida Arraf look swarthy, unshaven, etc. Couple of good-looking lasses, actually. Look sensible types, too. They should be full time spokeswomen for the Palestinians.)
Erdogan landed military planes in Israel, forced its hand on flotilla detainees
Compare and contrast with the behavior of the United States toward its citizens who are victimized by Israel. Remember how long it took for our government to provide transport for our citizens out of Lebanon in 2006, when Israel was bombing every corner of the country? And how originally it was demanded of them that they pay a fee for it?
Meanwhile by then, the EU had pulled pretty much all of citizens who needed evac, and had even pulled a few US citizens who would otherwise be marooned.
Somewhere in this depressingly unfunny video, is a confirmation that the Israelis are deeply insecure people, who, facing any sort of criticism, have to resort to the reassuring comforts of victimhood and self-pity.
CNN and the TV? Who comes up with this nonsense? If anything, the CNN did its best to support the IDF version of the events.
Seriously, the Israelis are so out of touch reality, this video is proof positive that in their arrogance they will continue to make such pathetic videos.
The parody is painfully bad, not funny at all. Is this because the famous trait of Jewish satire needs to come from people who view themselves as outsiders in the larger culture? Did Israel kill this trait inadvertently?
Citizen,
You have to be capable of self-criticism and self-irony to be funny (at least in the way I think you mean). This bunch is so full of itself, that it has no room left inside even for a modest chuckle.
I read someplace that the change occurred when Yiddish was abandoned for Hebrew, that the gestures and body language that were a natural concomitant of Yiddish did not survive the transfer, and that therefore the irony that accompanied those gestures didn’t survive it either.
“You have to be capable of self-criticism and self-irony to be funny…”
Well then, genius, how do I manage to be so hilarious?
Come on Mooser, be more generous. ;)
Shmuel is not the person to challenge your position here on the blog. ;) Although it seems he could, if that was his intention.
I agree with Shmuel’s statement/fast definition, as I think Richard, the deeply serious, isn’t even a bit “capable of self-criticism” and/or “self-irony”. And I considered that very early as part of my problem with him.
Rules, laws are tragic patterns, comic patters try to transcend these limits in favor of life. Humor is only valid if it is not only about ridiculing others only but must be coupled with the ability to ridicule yourself, and you surely show this ability. Otherwise you wouldn’t be our humor king.
Mooser,
Thou art king of self-deprecation and all things Yiddishly-funny. I am but dust and ashes beneath thy wheels.
The indefatigable Danny Seaman (of beef stroganoff and cream of spinach soup in gaza fame) strikes again. Apparently this piece of garbage tickled his fancy, and he thought that the foreign press might get a kick out of it too – along with its daily dose of Zionist re-education. Three hours later, the GPO issued an apology and said the clip didn’t represent the views of the Israeli government. The man is a gift to the Palestinian cause. I suggest a medal (order of Izzedin al-Qassam or Khalil al-Wazir?)
A related parody video should be made for America. Its title would be: “We Arm The World”
Decadent.
There’s one that won’t even make the “bargain bin”. Pitiful. I actually feel embarrassed and sorry for them. When they resort to this kind of thing, I guess the game is up, huh?
I’m seriously beginning to reevaluate the notion that right wing Israeli zionists are all cynical – to make something that bad, I think you really have to believe it, no?
the main under- feeling in the video is guilt….which is also the source of projection….