At last. Wikileaks is set to dump leaked classified documents, cables, n love letters involving Israel and the U.S. Both countries are said to be "tense". I guess Julian Assange gets it. Haaretz:
The United States Embassy in Tel Aviv has informed the Foreign Ministry in
Jerusalem that the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks was planning on releasing hundreds of thousands of American diplomatic cables, some of which might deal with Israel-America relations.
The Americans said they wanted to let the Israeli government know so it would not be surprised and would be prepared for publicity that might cause diplomatic embarrassment.
A senior Israeli official familiar with the contents of the message, who asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the matter, said that according to the Americans, the WikiLeaks material includes diplomatic cables sent to Washington from American embassies throughout the world. Sources in Washington said the documents would be coming out soon, perhaps even today.
If the documents turn out to truly reveal some information that wasn’t known before, it will be fun to watch Zionists scrambling to hunt down Wikileaks. It will be interesting to compare and contrast the reaction to the leaked documents involving the US, Iraq and Afghanistan and the reaction to these leaked documents involving Israel.
update:
This information was published on spiegel.de – and then quickly disappeared. From what I remember the post (which included a map of countries affected and instructions on how to read a sample document, deciphering codes etc) explained that only 6% of the diplomatic cables were classified as ‘secret’, none whatsoever as ‘top secret’, and only about 4 000 docs are in the VERBOTEN for foreigners class. Also: 2.5 million US government workers (including military) have regular access to those files (fewer to the ‘secret’ docs), and thus the leak was only a matter of time. The online edition of Spiegel has been postponed to tomorrow night 22:30 h – a highly unusual move.
update:
The Obama administration has told whistleblower WikiLeaks that its expected imminent release of classified State Department cables will put “countless” lives at risk, threaten global counterterrorism operations and jeopardize U.S. relations with its allies.
If you guys really cared about America troops, you’d denounce this, not be a cheerleader for it. Hypocrisy at it’s best.
update:
wikileaks-leaks confirm that bombing Iran will put countless lives at risk, and reveals who’s for it, and when, as well as moral constraints addressed by Ehud Barak:
“The revelations, in secret memos from US embassies across the Middle East, expose behind-the-scenes pressures in the scramble to contain the Islamic Republic, which the US, Arab states and Israel suspect is close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has hitherto been viewed as a desperate last resort that could ignite a far wider war.
The Saudi king was recorded as having “frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons programme”, one cable stated. “He told you [Americans] to cut off the head of the snake,” the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir said, according to a report on Abdullah’s meeting with the US general David Petraeus in April 2008.
The cables also highlight Israel’s anxiety to preserve its regional nuclear monopoly, its readiness to go it alone against Iran – and its unstinting attempts to influence American policy. The defence minister, Ehud Barak, estimated in June 2009 that there was a window of “between six and 18 months from now in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable”. After that, Barak said, “any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage.”
link to guardian.co.uk
I’ve been looking at these. Have you noticed the heavy focus on Iran in anything mentioning Israel? Seems very “nothing to see here folks, look over there!”. There must be some stuff about I/P issues in there somewhere, but msm is still scared of it.
antidote, amazing quotes in that article :
according to the US. needless to say i would be more impressed if the cables were from SA.
swwweeet
wikileaks central has a list of all the msm’s about this around the globe. the state department must be shitting bricks. here’s sydney morning herald
Why are Bush and Obama two of the most protected people on the planet while Julian Assange is on the run? Killing large numbers of anonymous foreigners is certainly a better career path than exposing embarrassing truths.
The first two major wiki leaks, as important as they were, seem to have been met with a collective yawn. Let’s hope that the prediction of greater international uproar on this leak proves to be true. At least some people who deserve to be nervous are displaying appropriate signs of anxiety.
I am not %100 sure, but i think it has to do with the charges of rape, sexual molestation, and unlawful coercion of two women
link? and were these charges reported before or after he became suspect?
After. Actually these charges came in almost immediately after the Afghan War documents leak. And actually, the Swedish prosecution had originally dismissed the charges of rape as lacking substance, but a prosecutor higher up the chain later reopened them.
Even though this may sound like he was set up, the truth could be more simple: The charges involve two women, both of whom had – by their own admission – consensual sexual relations with Assange. At the same time, without each of them knowing about the other. Their accusations against Assange came forward after they found out about each other.
This is seriously the first time you’ve heard of this Annie? The charges were reported after the alleged action took place.
link to theepochtimes.com
link to guardian.co.uk
“This is seriously the first time you’ve heard of this Annie? The charges were reported after the alleged action took place.”
The accuser apparently changed her story and now says there was no rape.
the epoch times yonira? my, you do get around. i have no recollection of hearing it but then i may have and just forgot about it after reading it.
police leaks said both women had met him in connection with a seminar he gave in Stockholm on 14 August. The women filed their complaints together six days later.
i don’t take these kinds of accusations seriously, not unless the women were minors, but then they wouldn’t have been women they would have been girls. rape is a serious charge.
yornira, the paper sounds like a cia front. have you read their wiki page? michael savage loves it. note how they don’t even name an owner or publisher, not on their site, on source watch’s site or on the wiki page.
on the upside they publish in hebrew.
From link to nicholasmead.com
“It is thought that one of the women involved, Anna Ardin, specializes in women’s rights as part of her work. If so, she would have known the legal process intimately when it comes to reporting rape cases in Sweden”
and
“It was known from the start that Ardin didn’t make an official allegation of rape at the police station. She merely “wanted some advice on what to do” perhaps knowing that by doing so, legally she couldn’t later be accused of making a false accusation or charged with wasting police time if the allegations turned out to be false. However, if she had an in-depth knowledge of the legal procedure when it comes to reporting rape in Sweden, she may have known that legally, the police had to record it as a rape incident and thus set the wheels in motion to capture the so called rapist.
In other words, it’s a legal loophole that makes it possible to make a false accusation with no fear of recriminations for wasting police time or making false accusations.”
what an amazing link egbert. apparently one of the women was a press secretary for the pirate party in sweden. she had her own blog and had previously posted:
“I’ve been thinking about some revenge over the last few days and came across a very good side who inspired me to this seven-point revenge instruction in Swedish.”
weird, the 7 Steps to Legal Revenge post was from January 19, 2010 and was titled “How To Get Legal Revenge”.
the post by admin @ August 23, 2010 at 1:02 includes an al j interview w/the prosecutor which is very revealing. what a sham.
smearing someone sexually is the preferred coup de grace by the ptb. what a marvelous coincidence these charges just happened to come along during the same week of the docu dump. wonders never cease.
Epoch Times is run by the Falun Gong. FWIW.
of course it does Annie, you are a joke, when it doubt make up a conspiracy, but in the same breathe link to hate sites like Veteranstoday, counterpunch, and rense.com.
Annie, are you saying Interpol doesn’t have arrest warrant out for Assange?
You seem like you’d be more for woman’s rights. Just another example where your hatred will trump all other ‘advocacy’ on your part.
yonira -
Even if the allegations against Assange turn out to be true (which I doubt – I suspect a fair amount of cash changing hands is at the root of this smear campaign, hence the woman (Ardin) inquiring into whether or not she could be prosecuted for false accusations after the fact , though that’s just a hunch) , it just has nothing to do what Wikileaks is doing , or whether or not they will be exposing criminal activities, or whether or not it’s a trustworthy organization. There’s no relation between the two things, it’s a distraction. They’re hoping that by discrediting Assange , people will be less prone to leak information to them, thereby neutralizing Wikileaks.
The real reason, of course, that Wikileaks is targeted is that it is threatening to those representing powerful interests. They’re not going to let that happen if they can prevent it, and they’ll use any means at their disposal.
Total distractions and spin
yonira, i answered you here.
contrary to your desperado inflammatory statement i don’t hate, period.
but in the same breathe link to hate sites like Veteranstoday, counterpunch, and rense.com
what breathe might that be? and you call me a joke? one who laughs last laughs loudest , fool.
Actually, yonira, Assange was on the run before the questionable sex allegations surfaced. I am not %100 sure, but I think it has to do with how the US Govt is treating Bradley Manning.
A man who threatens the establishment is suddenly, conveniently accused of rape. It’s too good to believe, unless you’re a Zio-supremacist hack trying to “score points” on a site dedicated to a just end to 60 years of unjust occupation, aggression, land theft, colonization and murder.
All that’s left is for maxNarr to chime in with full support for yonira’s blather, and for RW to write something long-winded in mangled English, complete with an over-abundance of apostrophes.
“I am not %100 sure…”
Oh don’t worry, a few hits of Ziocaine and that beautiful self-certainty will kick in! Then you’ll know! And no doubt, will inform us of your carefully worked-out, fact based conclusions.
Duff claims wiki-leaks is in bed with the Lobby, out to humiliate the US and bring them in line with Israel’s interest. Interesting idea. I vaguely remember a recent motion in the Knesset about US war crimes, in the wake of revelations about Iraq. Comes in handy for the ‘to single out Israel is anti-semitic’- argument and defusing the Goldstone report — as well as Obama allegedly being ‘tough’ on Israel
GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW
link to veteranstoday.com
It seems this upcoming leak is Assange’s attempt at regaining credibility as a whistle-blower.
Time will tell.
that’s from 4 months ago.
yes, of course, it’s about US war crimes in Iraq. And Iran. See also:
link to seaton-newslinks.blogspot.com
this is nuts antidote
In the midst of this unmanageable flood of data incriminating American troops in war crimes, are new incidents incriminating Iran.
there was no incriminating evidence, that was just the nyt spin on it. i was following the war back then, the US was constantly trying to frame iran for everything but they could prove anything. the fat the US was always blaming iran for everything is nothing new the wikileaks just goes to confirm how much energy they tried blaming everything on iran. i don’t recall anything in wiki links actually confirming they were bringing weapons in. besides, why would they have to? don’t you recall those hundreds of thousand of american arms that went ‘missing’. the US flooded iraq w/weapons.
sorry for all the typos. should read ‘but they could prove anything’. the US is responsible for iranian influence in iran, no one else. our invasion of iraq did for iran what 8 years of war couldn’t.
shit, couldn’t prove anything!
ok, i promise i won’t post for awhile since i keep screwing up.
‘the US is responsible for iranian influence in iraq, no one else.’
yeah, I remember some of it, and I’m not saying Duff or Seaton are spot on or anything. It is an interesting idea, no less, to ponder the cui bono with regard to detailed information about US war crimes. See for instance this reaction:
“I can’t help wondering how the “international community” would have reacted had Israel been accused of similar actions. Many people, at the moment, are focused on the question of whether the documents should have been leaked, entirely skirting the implications of what they actually say; the American administration is currently busy brushing off responsibility, emphasising that this was all under George W’s watch. Because yes, this stuff has been going on for years with hardly anyone showing any concern at all; for all the Guardian’s fury now, it has taken it years to work itself into this lather of righteous indignation. The numbers were there ages ago, if only they had wanted to see them.
Meanwhile, Israel is being put through investigation after investigation following Operation Cast Lead and the flotilla affair – forced to answer for every civilian killed under its watch. Funny that.”
link to thejc.com
I don’t think the next leak will be any different. Revelations of corruption, hypocrisy and shady dealings etc among world leaders will not shock many people any more than civilian deaths caused by US military operations. The US army is not the Bundeswehr, and the American public not the German public. All you need to remember is last March when opinions were sharply divided about who spat in whose face re the settlements and back door treatment during Netanyhau’s visit in Washington.
Speaking of newly released docs:
link to haaretz.com
Yeah and the Bush administration purposely outed Plame who was allegedly dealing with Iranian arms issues.
Love that Jullan Assange. Actually trying to inform the American public and the world. What a concept
” i was following the war back then, the US was constantly trying to frame iran for everything ..”
Like how today’s top NYT story solely blames Iran and the puppet government for the refugee problem?
Nowhere in the article does it cite the US role in creating this problem.
occupy, i’m suspicious by nature and i put nothing past the ptb. what’s obvious to me is those who pushed for war in iraq had no intention of stopping there. back in 95 bibi wrote about iran being a year away from getting the bomb. it’s an MO of throwing the worse possible scenario out there for public discourse (like a hammer) and then everything becomes the nail. iraq had wmd, debka files first reports in jun 03 saddam hid them in syria and then syria becomes implicated and then iran becomes implicated and whatever. none of these countries are benign when there is a war breaking out right next door, because of us. so back then is no different than right now, it’s push the iran blame 24/7.
so, we get a docu dump that tells us they were blaming everything on iran back then too and instead of seeing the obvious (same MO as today) the nyt tells us ah ha! proof of iran, and people’s attention spans are so long gone they don’t realize all it confirms is old news same as the new news.
the blame iran meme is the distraction. we’re pavlov’s dog and our job is to focus on iran everytime they tell us to. that way we’ll miss what’s really going on. and people fall for it!
Nowhere in the article does it cite the US role in creating this problem.
of course!
All you need to remember is last March when opinions were sharply divided about who spat in whose face re the settlements
why, what has this to do w/anything? opinions were no more divided between the ‘support everything israel does’ team and the rest of us than they always were. wrt your quote from the jta columnist i do not agree that ‘The numbers were there ages ago, if only they had wanted to see them.’ because they weren’t there. because great care has been taken to shield the american public and the world from casualty figures and the casualness in which we murder muslims. big duh.
plus, when she says Many people, at the moment, are focused on the question of whether the documents should have been leaked all i can say is ‘not from my vantage point they aren’t.’ very few people except the government and those who are down w/shielding the true impact of this war are interested in hiding the truth. that’s how it looks to me.
antidote, that link of yours about the newly released documents that reveal another iran contra deal between criminals in our own government making arms deals w/israel without going thru congress? at the end
ummm, it doesn’t name names. was it the same neocon group that drove the iran contra deal? michael ledeen etc? odd they just say ” the international branch of the Defense Department”. and what exactly does that last part mean? U.S. defense contractor Numax was to retain its security clearance and government contracts after being purchased by Israel.
also, i seriously doubt the arms were sent to anti american groups in iran as the article claims,that would be besides the purpose.
Love that Jullan Assange. Actually trying to inform the American public and the world. What a concept
I’ll remember this when you are showing fake concern for US troops overseas.
That concern was clearly displayed before the bloody illegal invasion of Iraq that we can all be sure that you supported.
yonira just who are you concerned about? I would really like to know
if you were concerned for american troops overseas you wouldn’t be supporting israel hook line and sinker..
Gordon Duff is an anti-semite conspiracy theorist. I honestly can’t believe you guys take anything that guy takes seriously. His “veterans today” website is a cover for anti-American, anti-Israel bashing.
Netanyahu is an anti-Iranian/anti-Arab conspiracy theorist. I honestly can’t believe you guys take anything that guy says seriously. Not to mention the plethora of websites that accuse the entire world of being anti-semites and anti-Israel – past, present and future. A cover for what?
I don’t take anything Netanyahu takes seriously.
You should. He has considerably more real power than Duff and may be just as convinced he’s right
If you don’t take anything Netanyahu takes seriously, then surely nothing Israel says or does can be taken seriously.
“Gordon Duff is an anti-semite conspiracy theorist.”
Oh, there it is, that Ziocaine certainty. I wonder, does it counter-act the effects of tryptophan from turkey?
Shingo,
You are confusing Israel’s political structure w/ that of it’s neighbors.
What are you happy about? This will only weaken the US position relative to Israel and make pressuring Israel (what you want) even more difficult. If it turns out that a US diplomat has bad mouthed an Israeli public figure, the Republicans will use this to make mince meat out of the Democrats. The entity that will be most hurt by the leaks is the Obama administration. How does that further your goals?
If it turns out that a US diplomat has bad mouthed an Israeli public figure, the Republicans will use this to make mince meat out of the Democrats.
nah, i seriously doubt it. i wonder how far back it goes? any news of elliot abrams discussing his peace thru civil war plans w/israel could be very enlightening.
Why do you doubt it? Isn’t it obvious that Obama’s administration will be most hurt, as they are the ones in power? If revelations emerge about the Bush administration, the Republicans and Democrats will criticize him also, but so what?
By the way, are you still sure that what happened in South Africa was a success:
link to washingtonpost.com
It seems one in three male South Africans have committed rape.
A surge in crime is a nearly universal result when an authoritarian government is replaced by a more democratic one.
South Africa’s culture of rape was bred during the apartheid era, when police had little interest in prosecuting black-on-black crime.
Unlike Israel where sex slave women from Eastern Europe are trafficked like drugs, from dealer to dealer, from one mafia organization to the next. That’s happening in Israel today.
And what’s worse is that current day Israel is not even a post-Apartheid South Africa. No, instead, current day Israel is an allegedly flourishing western style democracy.
That scores 9.4 on the irony meter.
A surge that persists decades after the change in regime occurred?
Till when will the former regime be an excuse?
Until when will the Holocaust be used to justify the brutalization and ethnic cleansing of an entire people?
Until when will European states have to pay Israel reparations every time Israel accuses a European state of anti-Semitism whenever that state criticizes Israel for using cluster bombs on civilians?
Until when?
“By the way, are you still sure that what happened in South Africa was a success:”
You mean disenfranchising and brutally oppressing the majority of the population by a strict system of racial supremacy and subservience for a century? No, I actually think that this is the root cause of devastating damage to society that persists even 15 years after the system mentioned above was abolished and will probably take several more decades to repair entirely.
Why do you ask?
I have seen the same kind of “the negroes were better off under the yoke” kind of apologist attitude before. It’s laughable to everybody who understands even the slightest thing about how human societes work.
link to in.reuters.com
why do i doubt it? because in the state department many of the people who work in the middle east work w/both parties therefor it becomes irrelevant. because the majority of documents dropped (as i recall) happened during bush years anyway.
Isn’t it obvious that Obama’s administration will be most hurt, as they are the ones in power?
no the ones who will be most hurt are the american people and those who have suffered as a result of our failed policies. what would be the point of leaking benign information. i recall the gaza bombshell and our meddling in palestinian affairs that instigated a coup. if it hadn’t been that article and the pdf’s it offered as evidence to american meddling many people might never have recognized what really happened. that kind of proof underscrores why fayyed is considered an american/israel tool as is dahlan. i’m all for full disclosure.
i’d like to see the kind of ‘pressure’ america applies to israel, if any at all as opposed to palestinians. at the end of the day we’re responsible for this occupation and whatever it is we’ve been doing it hasn’t been working. people know what’s going on already, everybody knows. so let’s get it out in the open.
Koshiro, if I recall correctly, in his book “The Wretched of the Earcth”, Frantz Fanon suggested that the legacy, so to speak, of colonialism, was so extraordinarily bad, that it would probably require more than a century to overcome.
Will you guys give up on the Palestinians like you gave up the blacks of SA following the end of a apartheid?
Nothing would make me happier than to bust open the slimy dealings between the Obama administration and the Likudniks. Why would any antizionist want to support the arch-sellout Obama?
“The entity that will be most hurt by the leaks is the Obama administration”
possibly
link to telegraph.co.uk
RE: “This beats turkey and cherry pie” – Weiss
FROM AN ARTICLE AT DAWN.COM, 11/26/10:
SOURCE – link to news.dawn.com
AND NOTE THIS DOCUMENT: “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” ~ By Oded Yinon, Published by The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem, February, 1982
The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.
ENTIRE DOCUMENT – link to radioislam.org
The irony is that the WZO publishes stuff like this and then complains about the ‘Protocols’ flying off the shelf in the Arab/Muslim world. Such hopeless anti-semites!
I LOVE IT! I was so hoping that some of the the documents whose release supposedly “would cause embarrassment to allied nations” would shed some light on our ‘special’ relationship. I wonder if those will tie in with these: Report: WikiLeaks Docs to Show US Military Supporting PKK in Turkey’s Civil War, which purport to show US officials in the Dept. of Defense supporting State Dept.-identified terrorists attacking our NATO ally, Turkey. Anyone want to take bets on whether the DoD officials in question are Israel-first neocons?
Turkey has accused Israel and the Mossad of supporting and training the PKK for years. Erdogan is in Lebanon assuring the Lebanese that Turkey will not watch silently should Israel attack Lebanon. Presumably, Erdogan is threatening military intervention with full knowledge of the Obama admin. in the hope of averting an Israeli attack. Leaks about the US supporting the PKK might throw the alliance into question. Who is on whose side and for what purpose? Looks like Israel wants to get into Nato, but Turkey is already – still – in, but increasingly fed up with Israel being granted impunity by the US and other NAto members.
“Presumably, Erdogan is threatening military intervention with full knowledge of the Obama admin. in the hope of averting an Israeli attack”
Wow, that would throw a serious spanner in the works.
As far as I can make out, Erdogan didn’t explicitly mention military intervention, but he did say ” we will support justice by all means available to us.”
This allows him to later suggest that military intervention is not available to him, but that would be a difficult line for the leader of the second largest military in NATO to sell.
He also said “In the event of war, the citizens of Israel will also be losers.”
He may just mean that they would get chewed up by Hezbollah. But he may mean more.
Turkey has accused Israel and the Mossad of supporting and training the PKK for years.
they are not alone. seymore hersh wrote about that years ago. everyone knows israel was training the pkk and the peshmerga up in kurdistan, the videos of exercises were on youtube. the whole push by the neocons to chip off part of turkey and iran and form a huge new state of kurdistan that reaches all the way up to the black sea is part of that plan. this is clean break 101 stuff.
Erdogan is in Lebanon assuring the Lebanese that Turkey will not watch silently should Israel attack Lebanon.
link please. now that turkey has dropped israel as a friend after irsrael murdered a bunch of their citizens some people around the web are ratcheting up the turkey talk.
here’s the link, annie I was referring to what RoHa already pointed out with the necessary qualifications above. What means are ‘available’ to Turkey as a Nato member are a matter of conjecture
link to warnewsupdates.blogspot.com
link to haaretz.com
The haaretz article mentions that Israel has issued a formal apology to Turkey for what, if I remember correctly, was the diplomatic blunder known as the ‘low chair’-incident. Less than what Turkey demands re apologies, of course, but an indication that Israel is either being pressured or independently aware of the fact that further provocations of Turkey are not in Israel’s interest. Also, concerning the imminent wikileaks release of diplomatic cables, the low chair-crisis goes to show how important such personal humiliations are even though they seem petty and insignificant compared with the bigger picture. It is to be expected that the wikileaks revelations will bring about an avalanche of similar crisis – American diplomats making unflattering comments about officials and leaders in various host countries etc. There will be much ado about that – and perhaps a tendency to drown out the real issues and merely patch up relations on a superficial level — as is already happening with the US contacting governments around the world in some preemptive diplomatic strike. Makes you wonder whether they’ll unwittingly reveal more trying to prevent diplomatic crises than what wikileaks will actually deliver, and thus shoot themselves in the foot
Yep
Check out what the warmonger and liar Laura Myrolie said about the Kurds and Saddam Hussein
link to theatlantic.com
“Iraqi Kurdistan has oil fields that, were it not for the embargo, could be developed within a year, generating income and much-needed fuel. The reason for maintaining the embargo on northern Iraq is to conciliate traditionalists in Turkey who are nervous about an independent Kurdish state and wary of any differentiation between the north and Iraq proper.”
Connect those dots
Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke
link to guardian.co.uk
Maybe they are “Cyprus first” individuals? After all, Turkey is occupying northern Cyprus? How can it be “neocons” if it is the US military supporting the PKK? Or are the US generals “neocons” also?
Cyprus First?
Don’t you mean Israel First?
Just to set the record straight, though I don’t think we should spend more time discussing the Greece-Turkey issue, the Turks responded to a coup by EOKA B (intent on uniting Cyprus with Greece), to protect the significant Turkish population of Cyprus. The population transfer that resulted was not pleasant but the Turkish position is understandable.
israel firsters are up on knocking out turkey now. it’s the new meme.
As a wild guess, I’m going to venture that the leaked cables might show Israel treating the US as a subordinate, with its customary peremptory arrogance. And perhaps issuing threats to ‘sic AIPAC on your administration’ if cooperation is not forthcoming.
It would become awfully difficult to demolish the ‘canard of Israeli control’ if aspects of it are confirmed in official documents.
The fallback position would be, ‘It’s for our own security, even if the Israelis do get a bit carried away in their youthful enthusiasm.’
We are going to release secret files that detail the Turkish war against the Kurds, Turkish ties with Hamas and other terrorists and the IHH connections with Osama bin LAden.
“We are going to release secret files that detail the Turkish war against the Kurds, Turkish ties with Hamas and other terrorists and the IHH connections with Osama bin LAden.”
Who’s we? The tin foil hat fraternity?
Those allegations aren’t as secret as you think. The Israeli ministry of propaganda has already released that in the aftermath of the attack on the Mavi Marmara.
But, sure. Why not. Regurgitate failed hasbara. It’s not like you haven’t done that before.
“But, sure. Why not. Regurgitate failed hasbara. It’s not like you haven’t done that before.
I wonder what maximalistNarrative and his team are waiting for? the allegations were made more than 6 months ago and we havent seen any such evidence.
i think the allegation is funny since we’ve been supporting the pkk to agitate turkey and iran for years while at the same time the guy at the states department turned lockeed contractor was assigned by bush to be special liason to the kurds at the same time he was finalizing lockeed arm sales w/turkey!!!!!
the new axis of evil: Turkey, Iran, North Korea …
Mere hours after the attacks on the Twin Towers, speaking to reporters, Netanyahu said that the attacks were good for Israel.
So, while you’re in that file cabinet rummaging for links, see if you can find something about Israel and the perpetrators of 9/11.
We already know it’s not Bin Laden since the FBI doesn’t want him for those attacks:
link to fbi.gov
” IHH connections with Osama bin LAden.”
Ooooh! Scary! IHH (an NGO) has “connections” with Osama bin Voldemort! Do all the members have The Dark Mark on their forearms?
“We are going to release secret files that detail the Turkish war against the Kurds, Turkish ties with Hamas and other terrorists and the IHH connections with Osama bin LAden.”
Wow, you’re flying!
>> We are going to release secret files that detail the Turkish war against the Kurds, Turkish ties with Hamas and other terrorists and the IHH connections with Osama bin LAden.
OK. Hop to it, little fella!
Don’t get your hopes up, people.
The former WikiLeaks infodumps were met with a global collective yawn because the people of the world have become inured to the culture of corruption – an entire global economy living on the skim. No one trust their leaders or governments anymore, nor feel represented by them.
The bankster mafias have won and are expanding their war upon the non-rich. UN releases today a report showing the global poverty has doubled in the era of “free trade.” Banksters sit on trillion$ in cash, won’t make loans, and but back their own stock while paying themselves record bonuses with their record profits. The largest shift of wealth in human history just took place from the working class to the investor class and people won’t put down their iPhones long enough to notice. And the wars – it’s a racket, remember? $ $ $ is what it is about ultimately.
Even if the new WikiLeaks infodump has a multitude of smoking guns, on up to documentation showing israel controls the United States and dictates to it, the public won’t show much of a reaction. They’ve been beaten down, and are anesthetized and distracted with all of the electronic infotainments, and two whole generations (X and Y) are know-nothings who smugly and ironically sniff at real political discourse in favor of snarky disaffected contempt for the process.
Even if the new WikeLeaks stuff offers up the Holy Grail of evidence against the neocons, israel, and there regional superpower agenda, it won’t stir America the way it should.
And here I thought after showing yourself to be a racist on the airport racial profiling thread, you’d hang your head low and leave.
So, why are you on this website? An anti-Semite by day and an Islamophobe by night, or is it the other way around?
Avi,
With regard to my recents posts on this thread and another, you seem adept at name-calling and little else. Parsing out facts is too much for you?
That is the tactic, isn’t it? Name-call, negative-associate, and seek to put your target on the defensive.
I need not knock down your spurious charges which come from a mind incapable of discernment.
“two whole generations (X and Y) are know-nothings who smugly and ironically sniff at real political discourse in favor of snarky disaffected contempt for the process.”
This attitude is strengthened by the perceived impotence of anyone who isn’t a bankster. The idea is “Why bother with political argument? The bastards will still grind you down.”
Well, he is going to get it someday if he’s not careful, maybe something worse than the “sex scandal” smearing. Now’s the time to hit that “donate” button for Sunshine Press.
From Wikileaks twitter account, 13 hours ago, for those who don’t follow it on twitter :
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5723136/WikiLeaks_insurance
I’m sorry, I’m just going to have to borrow a priceless comment from Avi.
You mean to tell me that this will be more embarrassing for Israel than what Rabbi Ovadia has been pulling out of his nose…I mean a…s, lately??
Maybe we’ll find out that Bush and Sharon were in bed together from day one and the WMD’s were lurking under the sheets.
I can’t wait!
EARLIER COMMENT: “As a wild guess, I’m going to venture that the leaked cables might show Israel treating the US as a subordinate, with its customary peremptory arrogance. And perhaps issuing threats to ’sic AIPAC on your administration’ if cooperation is not forthcoming.
It would become awfully difficult to demolish the ‘canard of Israeli control’ if aspects of it are confirmed in official documents. ”
How about this? USA is using WikiLeaks to cut the bonds of slavery. Or is, at least, happy about WikiLeaks leaking SUCH documents (even if not overjoyed about other ones).
President Obama, he gon’ lead us to de promised lan’ of freedom?
In my dreams. Dude, we should drop acid together! ;-)
hopefully it will show Israel for the hateful, arrogant, and contemptous entity that is and make american want to do something about having our country being treated as a lap dog for Israeli interests
If that should happen, Israel will protest against being ordered around by an imperial power/politically and morally corrupt superpower. Maybe some Arab nations will join in the chorus? You never know. See this amazing piece on Lieberman going anti-Zionist, de-legitimizing Israel and doing away with international law constraints. After all, Israel is a sovereign country and a law onto itself
link to coteret.com
did you see didi’s the story on home page?
Yediot’s defense analyst on the looming US-Israel ’security catastrophe’
no, I didn’t. Very interesting article.
On that count Israel and the U.S. are not much different
Headlines are getting scary:
“The Obama administration is condemning the expected release of classified diplomatic cables by the Wikileaks website and warning that it will endanger lives and interests.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Friday that the administration is continuing the process of warning governments around the world about what may be in the documents. He said the U.S. and its allies are bracing for what may be coming.”
link to haaretz.com
It would be nice if an Israeli leaked documents to Wikileaks to let the world know what Israeli politicians think about their US counterparts.
So Assagne srewed two and one of them felt she was F*up and we are supposed to harbor distrust,enteratin loss of confidence,and aniosity to him and then to translate a twisted impression to his works.
I’m glad Phil changed the title from cherry pie to pumpkin pie. Cherry pie just isn’t Thanksgiving. Of course, we always had the southern alternative – sweet potato pie. Anyway, Sarah Palin totally destroyed turkey as a food for me with that infamous press conference where a guy was in the background cutting the necks of turkeys. And I really don’t “celebrate” Thanksgiving anymore. I try to sleep through it, and I’m careful not to turn on the television.
ARTICLE: Peaceful Countries do not Celebrate Thanksgiving ~ By Elizabeth Young, opednews.com, 11/24/10
LINK – link to opednews.com
Whatever material there is in these latest wikileaks that relates to the dual loyalties of U.S. politicians can be used as proof of their treasonous activities. Visualize, for example, sit-ins &/or vigils at the offices of any elected representatives whose Israel-first (and America be damned) activities are exposed by these wikileaks. Way to go, wikileakers.
If I were Assange, I would be more worried about the Mossad now, rather than our government.
My thoughts exactly.
i’ll third it
i am a huge fan of cherry pie. what happened to the cherry pie phil?
And a nice comment for the season from mr cook. The whole article is absolutely spot on, but a nice comment for this blog
link to jkcook.net
The final battleground in Israel’s “spin war” is outside Israel—on internet sites and in overseas newsrooms, especially those in the U.S. and those with a global reach.
Increasingly important among the new media platforms are blogs—especially ones by dissident American Jews such as Philip Weiss at Mondoweiss and Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam. Weiss has helped to establish and nurture an online community of mainly Jewish writers that speaks with a refreshing clarity about Israel’s occupation and the power of the Israel lobby in the U.S. Silverstein, meanwhile, has broken several important stories about Israel leaked to him by Israeli journalists who could not report the issues themselves because of the increasing use of gag orders and censorship.
The readership for these overseas blogs, including among Israelis, is steadily rising. The sites are also freeing Israeli bloggers to become more outspoken: they can relay back to Israeli audiences information from foreign websites without the risk of being first to break censorship rules.
Thanks southernobserver for sharing.
Well, I see this has brought the weirdos out of the woodwork. My prediction is that it will be a story for a couple of weeks and then die out, just like the last wikileaks story. The public is much too cynical to care much.
Cynicism is the resort of a public so constantly bombarded with outrages that they become numb.
“Well, I see this has brought the weirdos out of the woodwork. My prediction is that it will be a story for a couple of weeks and then die out, just like the last wikileaks story. The public is much too cynical to care much.”
That’s what all the discredited hacks who supportedvthecIraq war said about the Downing St memo. Having stanchkybrejectedcthat the war was justified with lies, they then turned around and dismissed the evidence as
no big deal and old news. Nothing to see here, move along.
A true act of desperation.
Sorry about all the typos.
Here is that comment again.
That’s what all the discredited hacks who supported the Iraq war said about the Downing St memo. Having staunchly rejected that the war was justified with lies, they then turned around and dismissed the evidence as
no big deal and old news. Nothing to see here, move along.
A true act of desperation.
My prediction is that it will be a story for a couple of weeks and then die out
well, the story in and of itself may die out but that’s beside the point. what’s most likely is it will confirm what bloggers have been saying all along and end debate about certain issues.
for example, everyone knows the US/IS axis supports the pkk/pjak/mek. i’m sure turkey knows too as does iran. but officially we agree they are terrorists and what sy hersh says is not confirmed. this just puts the nail in the coffin of the idea it’s a ‘rumor’.
just like the last wiki dump confirmed what we all knew, the US was facilitating the drill campaign in iraq. this was obviously before because the journalist who originally broke the story was assasinated by a US sniper the day after the story broke. but, they called the assassination a mistake and denied the ‘rumor’.
it just puts the pieces together and takes the truth out of the rhealm of fiction.
wiki
who can forget neocons and their hasbarists have been humping for kurds this entire time. why wouldn’t we be supporting them? without the peshmerga it would have been very difficult getting the cleansing campaign off the ground in iraq. so the story of this leak dump will go away, other things definitely will not…like our duplicity.
i’m excited to see if any reports are going to come out wrt our support for georgia attacking south ossessia and initiating conflict w/russia.
Like the hundreds of thousands of dead and injured in Iraq. The millions displaced. Dead and injured American soldiers all just disappear.
And if it is up to hophmi the same will happen to Iranians.
The public has swallowed a baseless war on Iraq and an equally inane proposed war with Iran so I can’t see any reaction to this no matter how spectacular the revelations.
It’s not even that the msm has to be bury stuff like this on page 4, it only has to be the second biggest story on page one and no-one will care or probably even understand.
Polly, you are so right. But look, what the hell would happen to Phil if he finally had to admit to himself that Zionism was as American as Apple Pie and Motherhood? Phil is waiting for an unspecified “new generation” of Jews and Americans to rescue the Zionists from themselves. If he had to admit that Zionism comports perfectly with American’s own founding facts, and founding myths, for that matter, it’d leave him in a hell of a fix.
I don’t think you guys get the consequences of a leak of this scale.
That is to enforce a MUCH higher level of security in all communications and personnel.
It a sweet, one that you crash from an hour later.
You bet Richard! Cause up till now, the normal procedure has been to relay classified information by yelling out windows, and scribbling notes which they promise unidentified street urchins a dollar to deliver, right?
But of course, we once again notice Witty’s dick-sucking subservience to power. “If you complain, they’l just make it tougher on you!” Always with the threat implied, or even worse, inferred.
Now, you shouldn’t have any problem with those two words, Witty. You delineate “implied” and “inferred” the exact same way you separate “contest” and “contend”.
of course it does Annie, you are a joke, when it doubt make up a conspiracy, but in the same breathe link to hate sites like Veteranstoday, counterpunch, and rense.com.
are you talking about my quote from haaretz’s The truth about Israel, Iran and 1980s U.S. arms deals?
i have not linked to any of the sites you mention yonira. sorry, saw your comment on dashboard before it was published and really don’t know what you’re talking about. and no i am not saying Interpol doesn’t have arrest warrant out for Assange. women’s rights has nothing to do w/supporting the arrest in men who engage in consensual sex or enacting the law to engage in unjustified revenge as the ‘steps’ on the woman’s blog describe.