Bill Maher asks Michael Oren whether ‘being an Occupier has changed the Jewish people,’ but

lets slide Israeli Ambassador Oren’s promise that “we want Palestinians to have their own state,” if they “recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people.” In this segment last week, Maher, oblivious to the rights of Palestinian citizens, as well as to Palestinian refugees’ Right of Return under International Law, shows that a supposed free-thinker unfettered by facts can make a propagandist look good inventing them.

Maher doesn’t know enough to name the falsehoods, but plays the smart-aleck.  He cuddles Oren as chummily as any neo-con could.  Rather than challenge Oren to explain Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s support for tyranny over democracy in Arab countries, Maher allows Oren to enthuse that “We’ve been proud to be the only democracy and we’d be prouder still to be one of many.”  Even Maher’s terms are regressive: “two Semitic peoples”; “Arabs” not “Palestinians.”  Maher smears Palestinian peacemakers by likening Israel “freezing settlements” to “a Palestinian ceasefire, which is another way of ‘re-loading.’”

Maher jokes about what he and Oren have in common: New Jersey childhoods, Jewish mothers and the consequent possibility of a Jewish identity.  Meanwhile Maher tries to prove his neutrality with a crack about “a Jew betting his own money.”  But Maher refuses to ask what entitles an American like Oren to confiscate others’ land, merely because one  view of Judaism decrees it’s “his” homeland. Maher does cite the Palestine Papers, but lets Oren weasel out of whether Israel is the side “missing the opportunity.” Oren simply lies: Israel froze its “settlements,” but Palestinians wouldn’t “come to the negotiating table.”

Maher ignores Oren’s many contradictions,  that: “settlements aren’t the issue” but Israelis realize that there’s “no alternative but to share” the land; that Oren grew up “American,” but “I do come from Jerusalem”; that “first you’ve got to move there” [Israel], but it’s the country that pushes out Palestinians every day; that Israelis view Palestine as “sacred land, our tribal land,” but “Israel’s not a theocracy”–because  a “transsexual singer” represents Israel at Eurovision; that Israel believes that “there’s no alternative to direct negotiations,” but ignores the demands of International Law.

When Maher asks how “an American kid” wound up as Israeli ambassador to the U.S., Oren waxes nostalgic about being 15 and hearing Yitzhak Rabin speak. Maher never inquires into why a foreign country and its ambassador so moved young Oren. 

Maher betrays all who care about human rights by cheering on Oren’s mask as pursuer of peace. Maher donates applause lines to Oren, deceiving an audience that does in fact crave peace.  Lastly he panders, thanking Oren “for puttin’ up with me.”

Saddest was Maher describing how–while filming the last scene of “Religulous”–he and his crew ate at a Palestinian shop in Megiddo.  There, Maher (though he didn’t know it) experienced the famous hospitality of the Palestinian people to all comers.  But Maher expresses no gratitude for Palestinian generosity.  Instead he quips that “Our security people were very nervous,” “we were all very nervous…” [off camera, Oren exclaims, "Reeally?," though Israeli propaganda continually seeks to scare Americans about a Palestinian menace]  “…[But] they were thrilled to have us as customers and we were thrilled to eat their food,” and “they didn’t seem to hate us.” 

Yet Bill Maher doesn’t leap out of prejudice to human feeling.  He’s so busy proving his skepticism that he overplays religion, advancing Oren’s agenda. Maher avers, “These are two Semitic peoples, who, if it wasn’t for these silly, ancient texts from ancient desert-dwellers, have a lot more in common and really wouldn’t hate each other.”  “Desert-dwellers”?  Trying to prove his iconoclasm, Maher shows his prejudice, projecting the Zionist hatred of Palestinian people onto its victims.  Palestinians aren’t the ones using old dogma to defend their rights.  The government of Israel, Michael Oren and PM Netanyahu–not the indigenous people–claim the turf of Palestine based on “the last 3000 years” of belief.  The Palestinians don’t need to.  Palestine is their actual home, their true land–not their mythical “homeland.”

Maher laughingly offers Oren his peaceful solution: “What about a ‘time share’: it works beautifully in Miami–you have it six months of the year, the Palestinians have it six months of the year?…No?”  Complete with inside-levity, Maher’s mockery shows him refusing to imagine beyond “separation”–”Apartheid”–to obvious justice: equal rights for all.

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  1. Maher can be pathetic on this issue. His wild hostility in the segment last June in which he defended Israeli negligence and worse in the Mavi Marmara incident was one of many. Lately he has been lamely trying to look “fair and balanced” or something. I haven’t seen this program segment yet, but hope to when I find the time.

  2. Jim Holstun says:

    Yes, piracy and shooting unarmed people in the face is indeed worse than negligence.

  3. Taxi says:

    Just a coupla racist dudes shooting-the-shit and pretending to be hippies for peace, justice and equality.

    The endless stream of unchallenged lies juggled between them was particularly non-fascinating.

    I hate atheists like bill mahr – they know eff all about the mysteries of life and the universe yet they zealously/religiously tell everyone that they’re stupid to believe in a religion/god/whatever.

    I tell ya Mondo folks: I’d love to sit in one of ‘em cheap chairs on bill mahr’s set and just poetry-slam him for his vanity, his idiocy and hellow-heck his blatant racist hypocrisy.

    • MRW says:

      I’d love to sit in one of ‘em cheap chairs on bill mahr’s set … racist hypocrisy with a megaphone in your purse that you use with three friends (outfitted the same) there for the same purpose.

      • Taxi says:

        Trust me MRW, I don’t need me no megaphone to get my point across – don’t need me no audience support neither.

        But I definitely do indeed need my purse.

    • Chu says:

      Maher should invite on Peter King on his show and we can watch the love affair grow from there. They are one and the same.

    • Chu says:

      “I hate atheists like bill mahr – they know eff all about the mysteries of life and the universe yet they zealously/religiously tell everyone that they’re stupid to believe in a religion/god/whatever.”

      completely agree. After watching his film, and the disdain he had for religions, I just felt sorry for his spiritual emptiness.

  4. Linda J says:

    “I hate atheists like bill mahr”…
    but i hope not us other ones. ;)

    • Taxi says:

      Linda J,

      There are millions of atheists in the world including my parents yet few of them proselytize it and shove it down peoples throats the way the uncouth bill mahr does – I mean he makes MILLIONS out of his atheism so I guess he’s a little ‘attached’ to his ‘opinion’ eh.

      Fortunately, he’s not the elected spokesperson for atheists around the world. Unfortunately, he’s a loud-mouth narcissist who’s on TV.

      Really, somebody should tell bill that he’s an atheistic fundie no different to moslem osama.

      That bill mahr who behaves like a neocon islamophobe and a blatant racist zionist, would consider himself a ‘liberal leftie’ is the lamest joke of the century and it gets told on his show time and time again.

      Mister mahr is the kinda guy who laughs the longest at his own jokes.

      The kinda guy who only picks a fist fight with you when he’s surrounded by his bodyguards.

      • Mooser says:

        Can we really call Bill Maher an atheist. From what I’ve seen of him, I think he just has a different God than me. He’s entitled.

  5. Shingo says:

    Give him some slack. He’s a comic.

    So are you Witty.

  6. Sin Nombre says:

    Maher “lets slide Israeli Ambassador Oren’s promise that ‘we want Palestinians to have their own state,’ if they ‘recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people.’”

    Notice how it’s just inconceivable it is for Maher to question the idea that there be a “nation-state of the jewish people,” even if he understands that Israel does have non-jews in it, and thus of necessity may well have to treat its non-jews in a discriminatory and anti-democratic manner to stay that way.

    And yet … mention to Maher the idea of any nation-state of the Christian people—even with *no* non-Christians in it I suspect—and imagine his sentiment. Imagine his sentiment towards any proposals for the U.S. to declare itself a Christian nation-state but obligated to treat its non-Christians no worse than Israel would treat its non-jews so as to stay a Christian nation-state.

    If the instant spittle on his lips allowed it to get through methinks the word “fascist” would be about the first thing heard from same.

    …. And then we hear the constant cry about the alleged causelessness of anti-semitism in the West.

  7. The old lies are always the best.

    It is depressing to see that Jerome Slater who knows and documents the, in his own words, “the injustice–better said, the criminality–of the Nakba”, still believes that it was justified, and the coherence of his arguments fails.

    link to jeromeslater.com

    Is this an example of the power of cognitive dissonance? i.e. we did it. bad things happened. if we did it despite knowing the bad things, then our reasons must have been exceptional good?

    • Avi says:

      Slater is clinging to the romantic view when Zionism started as a Jewish national movement in eastern Europe.

      That Zionism in the late 1800s became an ideology whose sole purpose was a colonial project in Palestine, is of no interest to Slater. It’s of no interest because it clashes with that romantic view.

      In other words, Slater wants to have his cake and eat it, too. So, perhaps the best solution is to establish a Jewish state in eastern Europe.

      But, sooner or later, Slater is going to have to make a cognitive compromise, Jewish state in Europe or non-Jewish state in Palestine.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      • fuster says:

        well, yes you can. Israel is not going away any time soon.

        the ‘later” part of your sooner or later isn’t going to come up while anybody here is still walking around.

  8. optimax says:

    Did Maher mock or denigrate Judaism with Oren or in Religosity or whatever the movie was? If he did I would have to develop a modicum of respect for Maher.

  9. Peter in SF says:

    As I wrote a year ago, Bill Maher does deal with Zionism in his film Religulous. But instead of interviewing a religious Zionist (and it would’ve been extremely easy to find one among Jews or among Christians), he interviews a religious anti-Zionist. Yes, he shows us, religion can give people crazy ideas such as that Jews should not move to Israel en masse and displace and/or dominate the non-Jews living there!

    In this interview, around 6:00, when Maher brings up Megiddo:
    Maher: “It’s in an Arab part of Israel.”
    Oren: “No, it’s in Galilee.”
    Actually, Jews are a minority in Galilee. The reports don’t say so directly, referring only to 53.1% being “of various minorities” (meaning non-Jewish), but since the vast majority of this minority population are Arab, Arabs could even make up a majority in Galilee. This would mean that Galilee is an Arab part of Israel.

  10. Western Sky says:

    Why are you anti-immigrant, Susie?

    “But Maher refuses to ask what entitles an American like Oren to confiscate others’ land, merely because one view of Judaism decrees it’s “his” homeland”

    Is Oren not an Israeli citizen?

    This is no different than American hard-line right wingers claiming that naturalized American citizens aren’t real Americans.

    • Citizen says:

      No Western Sky, it’s more like any white Christian European being subsidized by the US government to come right now and live in the USA or one of its occupied lands–on property long belonging to other types of Americans.

    • Avi says:

      Western Sky,

      What would you say if the US allowed only white to immigrate to the US? Would you be accusing anyone who is critical of such policy of being a right-winger?

      Israel privileges Jews, and only Jews, over Palestinians.

      A Jewish family from Australia could move to Israel today and receive automatic citizenship. Worse yet, Israel pays for their airfare, gives them cash in hand on arrival at the airport, tax breaks on income, purchases and education, and gives them discounts to purchase furniture and such.

      Meanwhile — if you scroll a few articles down the main page you’ll see how — Israel denies Palestinians who are born in the holy land of living in the place of their birth.

      That’s why Susie criticizes Oren and Maher.

    • Mooser says:

      Western Sky, that was pathetic, really pathetic. Try again.

  11. Bill Maher is ignorant and full of himself. He was so obviously racist when he had the Angry Arab on his show way back. gag.

    • Polly says:

      You’re right LFE but even people as boned up on world events as Rachel Maddow still more or less buy into the whole Zionist narrative regarding the occupation.
      Recently even Jon Stewart adopts Bill Maher type stances in interviews on this stuff.

      • Chaos4700 says:

        Rachel isn’t that conversant on world events. She’s brilliant on domestic affairs but her capacity to accurately report and comment on international has been woefully inadequate.

        She’s a wonderful commentator and I’m a big fan of hers, but I’ve lately found myself shutting off her programs half way through whenever she delves into the Middle East. Listening to her and a guest prattle on about how police states using military force to suppress peaceful demonstrations is so new and novel there is a crock.

        Israel has been suppressing Palestinian demonstrations for longer than Rachel has been alive.

  12. Citizen says:

    Here, I will comment on the article before I read it. This is because I already commented on the Oren-Maher exchange on this blog two days ago or so ago when it was fresh in my mind, and because I wish to put down what little I now feebly recall before reading Susie’s article:

    Oren was born and reared in the USA until around age 10-12. Oren told Maher that Israel’s actions were/are reactions to Palestine rocket attacks;
    that Israel is the lone democracy in the Middle East; that God gave the land to Israel (if failing memory serves); that Israel gave up Gaza showing it was magnanimous and serioustly intent on peace, and all it got in return were rocket attacks on its civilians; that the Palestinians never lose an opportunity to lose an oportunity; that, nevertheless, Israel wants to be fair and recognizes that both sides have rightful claims to the land; all that’s missing for peace is a Palestinian partner at the peace table. Maher did not question any of these statements. At the end of the short and rapid exchange, Maher apologized profusely for giving Oren a hard time.

    That’s all I remember at the moment other than what Suzie’s article title conveys. Perhaps reading her article and any comments will jog my memory more. At the very least, now we have seen Stewart and Maher each take a tiny step on national cable TV to address the elephant in the room.

    Ah, now I also remember that Maher told Oren that his own father was Irish Catholic and he was raised as one, and he sorta resented that he was viewed as a Jew by some people because he, Phil Maher, didn’t think any religion was any (net) good and he wrote a book about it. And just what did Oren think about that? Wasn’t religion a personal choice? One’s religion? Oren answered that yes, it was a personal choice; Judiasm merely gave Phil the right in the first place to be a Jew by virtue of his being born of a Jewish mother. This response satisfied Maher, who didn’t have a follow-up such as, “Does that give me the right to move to Israel and displace a native family from their ancestral home?” This despite, given how Maher has ridiculed religious myths, especially Christian beliefs–and he’s forever jeering at the pope and his pedophile priests–one would think Maher would jump on the idea of God as a real estate agent.

    • Chu says:

      Maher has issues that he is oblivious to becase his self adoration gets in the way. His role as comic political analyist is not amusing. I believe his credit is going way down the more people get to understand this clown. And Maher reinforces why people on the right are disdainful of the left. He’s a shallow hack.

    • Mooser says:

      Phil Maher,”

      Ouch!

      • Mooser says:

        You guys don’t understand the difference between bad religions like , say Cathalocism, and a good religion, like Zio-Judaism. See, in a bad religion God tells you what you can’t do. I a good religion, God tells you you can do any goddam thing you want, and blame it on Him.
        Who could ask for anything more?

      • Taxi says:

        LOL x infinity!

  13. Citizen says:

    OK, now I’ve read Susie’s article and the current comments. Now I additionally recall all Suzie said. Nothing more to add except it’s striking how the avowed atheist Maher doesn’t object to Oren’s fundamental Judiac myths, nor does he object to Oren’s whole spin, which is standard Hasbara 101. Is Maher himself exactly what he despises, a fundamentalist? Certainly being a die-hard aetheist, rather than, say a default agnostic, indicates an opera state of mind. High philosophic minds can disassociate too–look at Camus.

    • Citizen says:

      PS: More than three-quarters of the run-time of Religulous is spent on the fringes of Christianity in places like truck stop chapels, Jews for Jesus gift shops, and Holy Land amusement parks — pretty much anyplace Maher would have the least chance of bumping into someone who could handle the game he’s running, the laziest game played by militant atheists: Biblical gotcha! He doesn’t mess much, if really at all, with Judiasm’s myths, nor the psuedo religion Zionism. The director of the film also directed Borat. At least the latter film made no claim beyond a bunch of comic sketches, let alone a “documentary.”

      • Citizen says:

        How Maher got them to testify
        THE BIG PICTURE / PATRICK GOLDSTEIN
        August 08, 2008|PATRICK GOLDSTEIN
        On how he got people to talk to him: “It was simple: We never, ever, used my name. We never told anybody it was me who was going to do the interviews. We even had a fake title for the film. We called it ‘A Spiritual Journey.’ It didn’t work everywhere. We went to Salt Lake City, but no one would let us film there at all.”

        On the element of surprise: “Larry Charles’ theory is — just keep going till they throw you out. I guess he learned that on ‘Borat.’ The crew would set up and at the last second, when the cameras were already rolling, I would show up. So either they’d be seen on camera leaving the interview and lose face or they’d have to talk to me. It was like ‘And now here’s . . . Bill!’ You could usually see the troubled looks on their faces. At the Holy Land theme park, the PR woman freaked out and finally told us to leave. She was definitely not a happy camper.”

        PS: Charles has also directed lots of episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

        • Citizen says:

          Phil actually discussed Maher’s film way back when; note the comments too, which include an old Larry King interview with Maher showing just how chock full of Hasbara 101 he was back in ’02–he even claims that the MSM is anti-Israel, and the note that Maher himself walked out on only one person he interviewed in the film, the Jewish anti-Zionist, thus revealing himself as a rabid (political) fundie just as loaded with net evil as the Christian and Muslim religious fundies throughout world history. If you can say, PC, you can say Phil Maher–but even Maher, like Stewart, is beginning to glimpse that PC’s sacred cows are, inch by inch, losing their sacred skins. At some point, for the profitable business of TV’s version of high satire, Maher’s corporate boss suddenly realizes increasing lack of relevance due mostly to the internet’s free flow of ideas and facts, ever breaking less filtered news, means less projected profit–time to let a few I-P facts on air for a brief moment. Here’s Phil’s old article on Religulous: link to mondoweiss.net

        • Chu says:

          July 19, 2006
          “And I hope this doesn’t ruin your birthday, but I have to say, watching George Bush talk about Israel the last week has reminded me of a feeling that I hadn’t felt in so long I forgot what it felt like: the feeling of pride when your president says what you want your president to say, especially in a matter that chokes you up a bit. I surrender my credentials as Bush exposer – from the very beginning – to no man, but on Israel, I love it that a U.S. president doesn’t pretend Arab-Israeli conflict is an even-steven proposition. Lots of ethnic peoples, probably most, have at one time or another lost some territory; nobody’s ever completely happy with their borders; people move and get moved, which is why the 20th century saw the movement of tens if not hundreds of millions of refugees in countries around the world. There was no entity of Arabs called “Palestine” before Israel made the desert bloom. If those 600,000 original Palestinian refugees had been handled with maturity by their Arab brethren, who had nothing but space to put them, they could have moved on — the way Germans, Czechs, Poles, Chinese and everybody else has, including, of course, the Jews…”
          Bill Maher

          I Love Being on the Side of My President

      • Avi says:

        Citizen March 23, 2011 at 5:22 am

        PS: More than three-quarters of the run-time of Religulous is spent on the fringes of Christianity in places like truck stop chapels, Jews for Jesus gift shops, and Holy Land amusement parks — pretty much anyplace Maher would have the least chance of bumping into someone who could handle the game he’s running, the laziest game played by militant atheists: Biblical gotcha!

        Good point.

  14. link to nytimes.com

    Julian Schnabel Discusses His New Film, a Palestinian Story

    • Citizen says:

      Thanks, Richard Witty.
      Excerpts:
      Q. Why were you drawn to tell the Palestinian story rather than the Israeli one?
      A. Well, our story has been told. The story of the Holocaust has been told many times. I mean, I was in the movie theater, in the Rivoli Theater, as a child, watching “Exodus.” Everybody stood up and put their hand on their heart while singing “Hatikva.”

      A. Not really. I lost a location. I was looking for a prison. There was a location man who sent a version of the script to somebody from the I.D.F. [the Israeli Defense Forces]. The guy wrote back to me and said, “Helping you to make this movie would be like helping Hitler make a movie out of ‘Mein Kampf.’ ” I didn’t answer him.*

      A. She was caned — Rula was. I’ve seen her back.
      Q. Did you at any point consider showing Israeli victims of Palestinian violence?
      A. Like I said, the concept of having an even hand, to make something more balanced — I don’t think that’s the job of an artist.

      * “Some have argued that any attempt to explain Hitler is wrong, because understanding inevitably breeds excuse. Dr. Redlich [Austrian Jew] disagrees: ”I tried to put myself as far as I could into Hitler’s shoes, to study him as a psychiatrist would study a forensic patient, to understand what makes him tick,” he said. ”Empathy is not the same as sympathy.” link to query.nytimes.com

  15. mazen says:

    Thank you Susie Kneedler for pointing out the disgusting hypocrisy of Bill Maher’s pretentious holder of the liberalism mantel, until Israel is concerned or Mulsem men are whereby he turns into a Limbaugh or Savage! The liberal community should spit this man as you cannot claim humanity and sympathy to most people and hold it of some for no reason other than prejudice and bigotry. Bill Maher CANNOT be misinformed on this issue over those many long years considering his wide intellect and thorough exposure on other issues. He Knows exaclty what he’s doing and the liberal world should boycott him starting by hurting him where it hurts “comedians” the most! that he just is NOT funny at all, rightly so.

    • Taxi says:

      Mister bill mahr is not an intellectual, but he is definitely the definition of pseudo-intellectual: a person who pretends an interest in intellectual matters for reasons of status.

      An opinionated entertainer like bill mahr is therefore NOT a studied intellectual.

      Seriously, I’ve heard better wit from drunken Irishmen on skid row.

  16. Bill Maher is an Islamophobe in atheist’s-clothing.

    This article gives Bill Maher way too much credit with apologetics like “Maher, oblivious to the…” or “Maher doesn’t know enough to name the falsehoods” in the first two paragraphs. Bullshit! Maher knows!

    Bill Maher has made a career out of knowing more about religion than those he interviews. He prides himself on critical thinking and logic. He makes cracks about Christians and Jews and debates the merits with them – but somehow when it comes to dirty Arabs, he really lets it rip and makes broad statements about how Arabs are just a bunch of Barbarians.

    I bet it’s his Jewish upbringing, which he tried to play down in his movie Religiolous – saying he only found out he was Jewish late in life. right…

    • Chaos4700 says:

      Yeah. That’s the impression I got too. Maher labelled every Muslim in his film a terrorist sympathizer (I’m not exaggerating here…) and even talked to a Jewish scholar to “debunk” Muslim scripture.

      What’s the worst criticism Maher had for Judaism and for Israel? The Sabbath-friendly air powered wheel chairs. You can’t even argue that Maher criticized the Neuterai Karta rabbi he sat with for, like 30 seconds. Maher screamed him down and then walked out on him without even finishing the interview.

      Maher isn’t secular any more than someone like eee is.

  17. MarkF says:

    Maher is a HUGE supporter of Israel. He gushes when he talks about the 67 or 73 war.

    He used to have Michael Scheuer on his show every now and then, but the last time I remember seeing him with Maher, Maher tried to goad him into saying something about protecting Israel .

    Check it out:

    • Shingo says:

      Yes I ofetn remember that clip Mark,

      I always swished that when Maher reposnded with “I wouldn’t” when Scheuer said the US woudl get by fine if no one in Israel ever votyed again, that he said to Maher, “in that case, what is stopping you from packing your bags and moving there?”.

      When Maher seems incredulous at the sugegstion that Israel isn’t worht a US dolalr or an American life, I wished that Scheuer had suggested that we begin with Maher’s life.

  18. chet says:

    It appears that the time has come to give up on Bill Maher and to stop watching his program – while it is amusing to watch his barbs about the hypocrisy of politicians (mainly Republicans), his Israel-can-do-no-wrong bias and his increasing Islamophobia have made him unwatchable.

    I was a big fan of his humour until I was pointed to the following links to his fawning Netanyahoo interviews that opened my eyes to his other disturbing side:

    link to youtube.com

  19. optimax says:

    It’s good to hear everybody’s opinion on Maher. I remember when he was considered an iconoclast but then rabidly supported W’s War on Terror and haven’t watched him since.

  20. optimax says:

    I mixed up Maher with Dennis Miller, a guy who truely went rabid after 9/11. Maher did say the terrorists who flew ther planes into the Towers weren’t cowards, but those flying drones 2000 miles away were. I think that got his show cancelled even though it’s true.
    I need to watch more tv.

  21. Taxi says:

    In actual fact optimax, mahr’s comment about 9/11 cost him his job which in turn got him a heck of a lot of public sympathy which pretty much guaranteed a better paying gig with cable – so really he’s another 9/11 profiteer and not its victim. But heck he didn’t do as well out of 9/11 as Rudy Giuliani did.

    My advise: don’t watch ANY tv at all. A distillation of tv stuff ends up on the internet anyway.

  22. optimax says:

    Taxi,
    A ciruitous route to fortune, wheel like. My Internet cable made me an offer I can’t refuse–basic tv. for ten bucks more and thewy will never raise the rate, ever, a lifer. Just have to make sure I don’t have to sign up for a life sentence. Now, I get 2 channels: Telemundo and the Jewish station where I occasionally watch Seinfeld and Larry David.
    Walter Tevis wrote in his book Mockingbird, “Television is for cretins.”
    To the island I will sail.

    • Taxi says:

      optimax,

      I advise you not to buy any tv stuff off the internet. It’s all a (phishing) rip off. You’ll be surprised how much free streaming stuff is posted on the net. Try justintv.com or just google your subject of viewing interest and you’ll be overwhelmed by the video options I’m sure.

      I personally am a Netflix subscriber and only ever watch movies – no tv whatsoever except relevant to my interests video links here and there.

      Heck I don’t miss the incessant time-wasting propaganda on TV or the advertising corporations’ ‘running’ my R & R viewing choices.

      I dumped my cable account and my several TV’s right in the middle of the Gaza War: I was soberly mad as hell and I did it and it felt good and I certainly don’t regret it.