America’s self-righteous celebration

Osama Bin Laden is dead. And Americans are celebrating.

Last night, the crowds cheered and sang before the White House and in Manhattan. And, today, the jingoistic, congratulatory op-eds hit the papers.

It’s been particularly troubling to me, an American-Israeli, to watch these events unfold from Tel Aviv. I’ve heard too many Israelis justify the occupation of Palestinian territory with statements like, “They’re animals, they celebrate when we’re killed.” I’ve heard the same rhetoric come from American mouths, “The Muslim world cheered after the 9/11 attacks.”

Americans–many of whom consider their so-called War on Terror morally righteous–must ask themselves if the images of their celebrations really look so different than those that they condemn. 

We must remember that a tremendous majority of the Arab and Muslim world did not revel in the horror of 9/11. The attacks were largely denounced–from Ramallah to Pakistan and almost everywhere in between. 

A death of a human being should never be celebrated–whether that person was an innocent or whether he or she is guilty of an unspeakable crime. Bloodshed, and rejoicing in it, only perpetuates the cycle of violence.

Instead, I will spend today mourning. Not for Bin Laden, but for the thousands who were senselessly murdered on 9/11 and for the scores who died in the unnecessary wars that followed, wars that are sure to drag on for years to come.

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  1. re:your first statement: Osama Bin Laden is dead.

    Are we to take that at face value?
    With the rush to dump the body and all? (at sea, no less)
    Some photos could have been nice, maybe a DNA test or three (cause they shot him in the face)

    Shouldn’t we place some qualifiers or caveats on that first statement before we know more? Like “according to [such and such] Osama Bin Laden is dead”. I mean, not everything that comes out of the White House is God’s honest truth.

    • Palinoia says:

      link to

      It does also seem odd that Obama chose to order a raid when the popularity of his presidency is at an all-time low.

      But anyway, her point still stands. Say it’s all true, the reaction is the same.

      • mig says:

        radii, that photo is fake. More, some fancy news from past :

        Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden

        After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

        The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban’s deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of their military and communications assets.

        The move came as the Taliban granted foreign journalists unprecedented access to the interior for the first time. Reporters were escorted to the village of Karam in southern Afghanistan, where the Taliban said up to 200 civilians were killed in an American bombardment last Wednesday.

        The reporters saw clear evidence that many civilians had been killed in the attack, though they could not confirm the number of deaths. “I ask America not to kill us,” pleaded Hussain Khan, who said he had lost four children in the raid. In the rubble of one house, the remains of an arm stuck out from beneath a pile of bricks. A leg had been uncovered near by.

        Another old man said: “We are poor people, don’t hit us. We have nothing to do with Osama bin Laden. We are innocent people.” Washington has not commented on the bombardment.

        link to

        • radii says:

          yes the fake reports came in almost immediately after that photo hit the infosphere … but they’ll have to produce some evidence at some point or they will have made a man into a myth

        • Castle Keep says:

          speaking of fake photos
          C Span had a photo posted from about 6:45 am – 1:55pm EST, under the red banner headline, “Breaking: Obama bin Laden killed.” link to
          The photo showed a night-time crowd in front of White House. It was a large crowd, with 10 or 12 American flags among them; seemed to be mostly young people, didn’t see any black people or others whose appearance or dress indicated non-white ethnicity.

          One young woman in the photo was wearing a black sweatshirt with three Greek letters, only AE__ visible; the third letter was either Mu, Nu, or Pi. There do not appear to be any fraternities/sororities named AEM or AEN; there is a fraternity AEPi. There’s an AEPi chapter at nearby University of Maryland; link to The fraternity’s main website appears to be: link to

          C Span took the red banner and the photo down; it does not appear to be accessible at the original link (above).

          Questions questions: was the image photoshopped? If so, who at C Span produced it? Why? If genuine, Why did a crowd of that size gather outside White House in wee hours of the morning? Was the group all affiliated w/ AEPi?

          wtf is going on at C Span?

      • Shingo says:

        exiledonline has the photo

        It appears that photo is fake.

        link to

      • Theo says:

        That photo is already declared to be a fake. bin Laden had a lot more grey hair ans was older.

    • Keith says:

      ARNON- I share your suspicion that something is not quite Kosher here. For starters, bin Laden had kidney problems and underwent dialysis periodically, usually in a Pakistani military hospital where he was on 9/10/01, and possibly later as well. The CIA surely knew of his whereabouts, keeping in mind that the Mujahadeen were a joint creation of the CIA and ISI (Pakistan’s CIA). There have been reports that bin Laden died years ago from his kidney problems. In any event, the fact that the residence was in Pakistan, close to Islamabad is significant. The fact that Pakistan maintains close contacts with the Taliban is no secret. The situation is complicated, including the ongoing CIA use of Mujahadeen fighters, such as in Libya. The truly significant thing is that this is a dramatic break from the status quo and may indicate an attempted destabilization of Pakistan. The world appears to be becoming increasingly chaotic by design.

    • I’d like to caveat my own statement from above.

      All that Mya has said about jingoism is so obviously true, that the truth of Bin Laden’s death becomes unimportant by comparison.
      Which, I guess, is why the White House didn’t care enough to provide proof. At this point, 11 years on, just proclaiming he’s dead is more than enough to rile up the masses.

  2. James says:

    americans are trying really hard to be like those fanatics in other countries that shoot off their guns to celebrate…. geez and to think that america is the land of the free where guns are so plentiful? gangland justice never looked so good… well, maybe bradley mannings pre trail is a better example………….

  3. Parity says:

    We Americans have killed a person who did us harm, who may well have thought 9/11 was bringing us to “justice” and finding some “closure” against what we had done to Muslims. Unless we pursue justice in the sense of making the world a fairer place, rather than seeking retribution, we will continue to find ourselves in an endless cycle of violence.

    • radii says:

      FBI’s Most Wanted poster has him listed for blowing up the embassies in Africa, since no direct evidence tied him to 9/11

    • MRW says:

      Cheney said in a 2006 interview that Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911. This is preserved in the White House archive: “So we’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming.”

  4. David Samel says:

    Thanks, Mya, for your sensible comments and reaction to this whole affair. During the previous administration, I noted that both Bin Laden and Bush could be described as men born into wealthy and powerful families who made decisions leading to the deaths of countless innocent people, certain in the conviction that God was on their side. The biggest differences were that Bin Laden took huge personal risks and that Bush’s death count was far higher, by a factor of hundreds. Obama is different from Bush in that he is a self-made success and his religious convictions are not so apparent, but his death count far exceeds Bin Laden’s as well. This will continue as long as the American electorate engages in the conceit that our leaders have a James Bond-like license to kill, and even demands that our leaders exercise that authority on a regular basis.

    • MRW says:

      David Samel, I like the James Bond reference. It’s so true of their Truman Show relationship to existence. It’s the exciting part, right?

      We’ve killed and maimed exponentially many times more — including US soldiers — than the original causing body count. We failed to investigate that originating event properly, and still refuse to examine the historical stab of it.

      Instead, today, we see the underpinning of why nothing’s changed in the national psyche in the faces of cheering kids who were six when it happened, and the reactions of the crowd and pundits who are no more enlightened or aware — or entitled — than the crowd in Max Blumenthal’s banned video Feeling the Hate/Love in Jerusalem.

  5. eljay says:

    America’s self-righteousness is nauseating. The U.S., with its “coalition of the willing”, has generated – and continues to generate – substantially more death and destruction than bin Laden ever did.

    But “we” are good and “they” are bad and our “crusade” trumps their “holy warrior”.


  6. bijou says:

    This is not justice but rather a travesty of justice. In the America I thought I knew, even this man would have been given due process of law. Trial by jury, with detailed evidence, would have been the only real way to deliver justice and peace.

    Now we know nothing. Was Bin Laden really the mastermind of 9/11? If so, did he act alone or on another’s behalf? Was he really the one killed yesterday? What is the evidence? Where are the photographs? Why was the body so quickly dumped to sea? Does his family not deserve his body back? What kind of nation behaves like this? Only a rogue nation.

    More importantly, the door is left wide open for the predictable “retaliatory strike” of which we are already warned. American outposts everywhere around the world are on “lockdown…. high alert…” Whose agenda is this serving? “Be afraid, be very very afraid…”

    This is not an act of which Americans should be proud and certainly not one in which to rejoice. And in my mind at least, the fact that Obama has gone on record saying that “justice has been served” removes him entirely from the realm of law-abiding leaders who deserve honor and respect and places him instead in the dustbin of history with George Bush. By this action, he has singlehandedly contributed to the further demise of the country of laws which he said he loved and would serve.

    In my eyes, this is a dark day for America.

    • Castle Keep says:

      WaPo says “rule of law too messy”

    • MRW says:


      “Justice has been served.” Like a beef tongue lunch, Bijou, with hot mustard on the side.

      Colonel Lang wrote:

      I am glad he is dead. The deciion to kill him rather than bring him back for trial or confinement was the right decision. Imagine how difficult the legal and political situation would be if you had him in captivity. Now they had better be able to prove that he really is dead. [...] Any notion that some portion of Pakistan’s military and security institutions did not know of UBL’s long term presence in the suburbs of Islamabad is just silly. Abbotabad is the home of Pakistan’s West Point. Many retired officers live in the town. We are to believe that the Pakistan equivalent of the FBI did not take an interest in this big compound with no telecommunications connectivity?

      That’s why the military and judiciary are supposed to be separate. [BTW, did you know that the President is only Commander-in-Chief after Congress officially declares war? If we're not officially at war—not 'at war', but Congress declared war—he's just the President. Constitution.]

      In the weeks following 911, Afghanistan and Pakistan said ‘Show us the evidence you have against Bin Laden, and he’s outta’ here, he’s yours, and we’ll help you get him’. Anyone but me remember that? We haven’t produced in that evidence in 11 years.

      The video, wherein Bin Laden is said to have admitted to doing 911 (even though Cheney told Tony Snow in 2006, which is memorialized on the White House archives, that we have no such evidence) came out Dec 13, 2001. The DoD press release.

      To this day, documentation related to the discovery of the video by U.S. forces in Jalalabad, Afghanistan in late November 2001, and its authenticity, chain of custody, are classified by the DoD under national security in the interest of national defense or foreign policy.

      The video, according to the DoD ‘was found in a fire-destroyed building once used by al-Qaeda fighters’ by an unidentified and classified US soldier. This is the seed document for our war in Iraq — $2-3 trillion loss from the national treasury — and ongoing involvement in Afghanistan and no one is allowed to know more than that release and the transcription it links to.

      Efforts by bloggers under the FOIA (FBI, CIA, CENTCOM, etc) to get more information surrounding the video find were denied on national security grounds.

      In the translation of the video written by some DoD-assigned language experts, the only place in the entirety of the web, including online Koan search sites, that you can this Koranic quote is in this video and the written transcript by experts.

      Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable about everything


      Time to learn Chinese. At least, they’re honest about what they clamp down on. They don’t make it a pretense about democracy, justice, and the rule of law.

  7. notatall says:

    After spending ten years and goodness-knows-how-many millions of dollars, the omniscient US “intelligence” forces claim to have succeeded in tracking down and killing a six-foot-four-inch bearded Arab who moved around with an oxygen tank. What a triumph. Next we will be told that 9/11 was a victory because seven “terrorists” died.

  8. American says:

    Animals don’t even celebrate the death of their kills.
    So calling people animals is an insult to animals.

  9. radii says:

    the celebrations in America were often led by college kids, who were children when the 9/11 attacks happened and they were celebrating the death of the monster that hid under their bed when they were kids … the rest of the revelers were celebrating the death of the Official Bogeyman of the War-on-Terror” … it is not often that the arch-villain of a story’s narrative is brought down so spectacularly … not a sophisticated nor nuanced reaction – but this is America! … really, what did anyone expect?

    the blowback will be very interesting, because I suspect it will shape up thusly: A robust and immediate public outcry to get U.S. troops the hell out of Afghanistan yesterday

  10. Makes me think of the Tao Te Ching’s admonition:
    “Conduct your triumph as a funeral”

  11. Citizen says:

    I’d feel a twinge of joy if the former Bush Administration and its think tank supporters and MSM loyalists, beginning first with Chaney, Shrub, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, et al, followed by the PEP democrat leaders and pundits, were all brought to trial for treason. And where would we get a court room big enough for all those congress criminals? Should the trial be held in Nuremberg? They are all the proximate cause of OBL in the first place. Mmmm, the USSR fell from within; perhaps more justice is coming down soon; give Goldman Sachs some more rope. Oh yeah, Obama already did that.

    • Haytham says:

      I posted this over on the Berlin Wall thread before I saw this article. It’s more appropriate here.

      This may not be the appropriate forum to say this but it’s been bothering me today.

      We’ve seen the power of civil disobedience and what can be accomplished when people take to the streets in a quest for systemic change. To me, the Arab Spring looks like a real attempt at “change,” rather than a presidential marketing campaign for same.

      I can’t help but notice that what it takes to get Americans into the street en masse is violent death. We didn’t really rally against bailouts, against the many crackdowns on, and violations of, our civil rights, etc., but kill a notorious terrorist and we’re chanting USA and crying in the streets? Is this what we are now?

      Watching some of the media covering the news of OBL is nauseating. They are nearly crying tears of joy and they are comparing what happened in the US to what is happening in the Arab Spring. There is no attempt to contextualize this event, at least not in a real way. OBL’s death is “the lifting of a shadow off of our nation,” I believe is how David Greggory put it this morning.

      If OBL’s violent death was necessary, then it was just that. Let’s not pretend it’s “happy” moment in our “national consciousness” (I think that was Joe Scarborough). I’m not saying we cry for the man or even really ponder whether it was the right thing to do or not, in the manner it was done (execution vs. capture). That’s not my point. There is a sort of glee in this country surrounding this that makes me uncomfortable.

      This conflation of peaceful revolution with a violent execution is a sick form of American Exceptionalism. I guess we’ve become exceptional not only at killing but at celebrating it.

  12. Citizen says:

    Here’s some word-wide reactions to the murder of OBL:
    link to

  13. Chu says:

    I doubt that a majority of Americans are reveling in this vengeance celebration, it’s elevated by the media. Somehow that romantic western idea of ‘good and bad’ has faded in the public mind.
    If we captured the bankers that capitalized on our futures,
    I think the majority of Americans would be celebrating.
    But we’ve earned ourselves one grand pyrrhic victory
    over this last decade. Lots to celebrate about.

    • Potsherd2 says:

      I’ve seen quite a lot of reaction that makes “reveling” an understatement – from individuals, not the media.

      Vengeful mobs.

  14. ToivoS says:

    Cheering crowds seem to arise spontaneously so there is not much that anyone can really do to prevent them. Perhaps a responsible press would refrain from egging them on. Cautious government statements might also help temper their impact.

    However, what was completely within the government’s control was the decision to desecrate Osama’s body. For this our president must accept full responsibility.

    • lol. Of all the things to call Obama to be responsible for, you choose the “desecration” of Bin Laden’s body? Who cares? He’s dead. Kaput. Deceased. No more. Pushing up the daisies. Should have been a long time ago. No one should be losing sleep over the fact that he was buried at sea rather than in the earth. If you are the your priorities are pretty skewed in my personal opinion.

      • Taxi says:

        Actually osma’s NOT “pushing up the daisies” – but he is indeed ‘sleeping with the fishes’ – just like every mafia don is known to have iterated and delivered.

        Also take note people that a ‘burial at sea’ is very un-islamic.

      • Dilkington – I’m not aware of burial rituals for Muslims, but burial at sea may not fit in with the Muslim idea of a proper burial – which I see no reason to not allow a proper burial according to whatever norms he observes. For Muslims burial at sea may amount to a desecration – that is for them to define.

        • mig says:

          Another way again to winning hearts and minds in muslim world.

        • ToivoS says:

          And they have defined it as such. This act was a gratuitous insult against Muslims.

          Bin laden’s death is obviously a few decades too late, but to deliberately desecrate his body may make our resident Zionists feel good about their own superiority, but it will have an adverse affect in the Muslim world.

        • Citizen says:

          I heard a US Muslim military chaplain conducted the service aboard ship.

        • ChrisB says:

          As the Arabs often desecrate the bodies of our dead? I forgot, we didn’t tie Bin Laden’s body to a truck and drag it through the streets. Will we ever learn to act as arabs? Why can’t we get it right?

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Yeah, but when it comes down to it, what matters more to the current US government? Human decency? Or scoring points with AIPAC?

        • Saleema says:

          Hey, there was a good American citizen that dragged a black man behind his truck in Texas, a decade agao, in a smal town. Made international headlines. Now, if only we can all learn civility from Americans!

        • ChrisB – “the arabs”? oh really? all 360 billion of them?

        • Haytham says:

          I think the Arabs should act as the Israelis, don’t you?

          Maybe they should surround Israel and refuse to allow in concrete and chocolate? Refuse to allow civilians in and out? Refuse to allow the most basic medical supplies in?

          Maybe they should break the bones of Israeli children like the Israelis did when Palestinian children threw STONES at tanks?

          Maybe the Arabs should just bulldoze 500 Israeli villages and cities to make room for new Palestinian ones, like Israel did to Palestinian towns and villages after 1948? Sound fair?

          I’m sorry that you’re upset that certain “Arabs” have “desecrated” bodies of Israelis, as you claim. I truly am. This should never happen, even in the most heated of conflicts. But, how does seeing Palestinian babies burned to death by white phosphorous or shot in the chest make you feel? Pride? Shame?

          Does it bother you that Israeli operations against Palestinians are planned and calmly prosecuted, as opposed to actions of hotheaded individuals in the heat of battle? It takes planning and strategy to bulldoze homes of civilians, too, doesn’t it? One doesn’t just show up and do that on a whim, right? Does that bother you? Do Palestinians deserve to have homes? Do they deserve to farm their land? Or keep their thousand year old olive trees?

          How does all that sound? Crazy, huh.

          But you enlightened Israelis, if you faced a world reaction and stance that truly mirrored that taken against South Africa, what would you do? Resort to nuclear weapons? All-out war right?

          The most moral army in the history of the world, right?

          I’m not expecting any answers from you, if you were wondering. Anyone here who has read your posts could easily and with a great deal of accuracy imagine your replies.

  15. American says:

    One has to ask if they able to locate OBL and take out his compound why they weren’t able to bring him in alive to stand trial?
    Putting war criminals on trial use to be considered bringing them to justice.
    I think that would have demonstrated US values.
    This is a little too neatly tied up end to OBL to suit me.
    But them I am a cynic and have a lead shield between me and the MSM.

    • Chaos4700 says:

      To be fair, bin Laden himself or one of his lackeys would certainly rather see him as a martyr than as a shamed convict, so I wouldn’t exactly say it’s implausible that someone in the compound (the man himself included) wouldn’t have fired the killing shot.

      I agree with you that this seems to have been handled in a foolish way. Justice happens in a court room, not at the end of a rifle, and Americans seem to have lost sight of that, collectively, if we’re going to celebrate this result as authentic justice.

      You’d think we could expect better of a President who’s supposed to be a Constitutional lawyer. We can be relieved that the man’s dead (for what it’s worth, which really isn’t much at this point) but this wasn’t justice, per se, merely vengeance.

    • rob says:

      From the attached Robert Fisk article:
      “Of course, there is one more obvious question unanswered: couldn’t they have captured Bin Laden? Didn’t the CIA or the Navy Seals or the US Special Forces or whatever American outfit killed him have the means to throw a net over the tiger? “Justice,” Barack Obama called his death. In the old days, of course, “justice” meant due process, a court, a hearing, a defence, a trial. Like the sons of Saddam, Bin Laden was gunned down. Sure, he never wanted to be taken alive – and there were buckets of blood in the room in which he died.

      But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia’s head of intelligence.”

      link to

      • Chaos4700 says:

        Wow, that op-ed is very astute. I need to consider keeping an eye on Robert Fisk’s articles in the future.

      • MRW says:

        Thanks, Rob, for pointing out this Fisk article. Fisk is one of the few journalists I will trust not to lie for the state. Fisk writes, “In the years after 2001, I maintained a faint indirect communication with Bin Laden, once meeting one of his trusted al-Qa’ida associates at a secret location in Pakistan.” He never saw him after 2001, but he says he communicated indirectly, via written questions he got answered in an audio tape, and via an article in The Independent he wrote too late to intercede on Daniel Pearl’s behalf.

        Since I am 90% in the Bin Laden died in 2001 camp, Fisk’s assertions could change my mind. The tag paragraph was interesting. ;-)

        By midday yesterday, I had three phone calls from Arabs, all certain that it was Bin Laden’s double who was killed by the Americans – just as I know many Iraqis who still believe that Saddam’s sons were not killed in 2003, nor Saddam really hanged. In due course, al-Qa’ida will tell us. Of course, if we are all wrong and it was a double, we’re going to be treated to yet another videotape from the real Bin Laden – and President Barack Obama will lose the next election.

        I also believe that getting rid of Bin Laden is the only way that the Prez can pull out of Afghanistan quickly with bipartisan support, which is costing us billions per month; we face a serious financial crisis in June when the Fed cuts the QEII and a number of internal programs and the financial bubble could blow up in our face.

  16. Sumud says:

    Emmanuel Goldstein is dead.

    More than anything else right now I’d like to know how the neocons and military/industrial strategists are reacting to this news. As I wrote in a previous comment, an optimistic reading is that Barack Obama has decided to drive the Global War On Terror into a ditch. Personally, I think bin Laden has been dead for years.

    As I also wrote previously, I can’t help but be reminded of Richard Burton telling Elizabeth Talyor in Who’s Afraid Of Virginia Woolf that their [fictional] child has been killed. Snap!

  17. rob says:

    Yes, thank you Mya for your comments

    When I first heard this morning the news I was quite apathetic to it all.
    Although my first thought was, they buried him at sea? There’s goes any proof of this ever happening, because unfortunately, I take anything my government tells me with a grain of salt.

    Then I started to see videos of Americans riding around in their cars waving huge flags out their cars and whooping it up, and the people down at the WTC assembling all morning and again screaming, yelling and celebrating, it made me think if NYC didn’t have such strict gun control laws, people would have also been out firing their guns in the air, I was kind of sickened by it all really, celebrating the death of someone, anyone.

    And don’t think for one minute this means Al-Queda is now defunct, because, unfortunately I see something happening real soon now, especially with the videos showing ‘u.s.’ celebrating all over the country, in addition to those fake pictures that were posted all over the internet, there will be ‘reprisals’.

    This also made me think of how I felt when israel’s mossad kidnapped the Palestinian engineer Dirar Abu Sisi on a Ukrainian train, just going wherever they felt like and doing what they want, that certain arrogance, but then, one has to ask, where did they learn this??

    Like I say, I’m somewhat apathetic to it all, and for someone who browses through countless newspapers and news websites every day (mostly non-US, I might add) learning about what’s going on out there, I really haven’t read much on this killing, and have no desire.

    I’m saddened by our reaction and am tired of hearing this on every network TV station…..I think I’ll listen to some music, thanks for letting me share.

    Thanks Bijou, mig and all for your comments

  18. Hi, That last paragraph might be troubling/debatable from another point of view.

    Osama Bin Laden openly stated before the 2001 twin-towers attack, he was offended by American troops on sacred Islamic land, and corrupt hypocritical support for Saudia Arabia’s absolute leaders.

    Another consistent concern, as with most muslims/people with cognitive development that enable comparative studies (I.e. Not most Americans ), was the injustice of Palestine, where one SIDS is allied arms and the other isn’t, and it’s the weaker one that is prevented from defending itself.

    Then there was the historical fact, of Americas continuous interventions in the Muslim world, largely to place client states or regimes against the interests of their own countries/people, to divide and conquer, and support repression unless the people submitted their values to American interests, Inc. Via proxies such as the IMF and UN.
    OBL simply woke a largely apathetic and sleep-walking ignorant world, on all sides, of the actions of Pax America, the great empire that tells it’s own people it isn’t.

    So mourn for the 3000 or so who died in September 2001, but he and many others were already mourning for the millions lost in the cause of the client empire and more oil, and Israeli supremacy, in our name.

    In OUR Name.

    Free, popular and democratic. Our name.

    Yours kindly,


  19. GuiltyFeat says:

    There is a wonderful article at which explains what I had always understood about the acceptable Jewish response to these kinds of events.

    link to

    • Mooser says:

      “There is a wonderful article at which explains what I had always understood…”

      That’s so nice for the rest of us who don’t know everything already. So nice of you to point it out. Naturally, you will hold us to the standards rendered as acceptable by the article.

      Jeez, Mondoweiss is occupied territory!

    • MRW says:

      the acceptable Jewish response ?

      Jews are cattle or sheep?

      • GuiltyFeat says:

        I meant acceptable in terms of Halachic Judaism, if that’s what floats your boat. For those not interested in adhering to that standard, then it’s meaningless. Did you read the article I linked to?

        I have no idea where you got your cattle thing from.

        Would it be inappropriate to suggest that turning the other cheek is an acceptable Christian response to being insulted or would writing that imply that all Christians are “cattle or sheep”.

        MRW, are you turning into one of those guys who responds aggressively to whatever I post without even considering it in context? I’ve successfully managed to filter out those idiots, but I thought you were more considered than that.

        • MRW says:


          You are one of the more engaging Israelis contributing here. And you’re smarter. I’m not trying to be aggressive, I’m supposed to be working, so my brevity is abrupt.

          And yes, I would certainly hurl the exact same comment at any Christian who said there was an acceptable spiritual Christian response to offing OBL. Especially since we (1) don’t know if it was him yet. No body. No pic. (2) What did we off him for? The previous admin said there was no evidence he was involved with 911.

        • GuiltyFeat says:


          No worries. Brevity admirable.

          Wish I could get the hang of it.


        • Taxi says:


          “You are one of the more engaging Israelis contributing here. And you’re smarter. ”

          So like you’re joking, right?

          I’m sure you meant to say: You are one of the more pompous israelis contributing here. And you are acutely propagandized.

          MRW, your ‘new’ zio friend is playing you the same old violin – watsamatter with your ears buddy?!

  20. livingbridge says:

    American: “One has to ask if they able to locate OBL and take out his compound why they weren’t able to bring him in alive to stand trial?”

    Quite. And in the prevailing Guantanamo ethos of waterboarding and torture, wouldn’t the US have sought to benefit from “actionable” information from OBL? — That he was [supposedly] assassinated and dumped in the sea sheds new light on the actual value of US’s black prisons.

    Also, it’s curious that there has been no response from the Bin Laden family which, after all, has close ties to members of the Bush administration and Bush family itself …

    Hmm …

  21. Mooser says:

    “It’s been particularly troubling to me, an American-Israeli”

    Now there’s a non-sequiter. I don’t know what qualities being this thing called an “American-Israeli” gives you in this, but apparently you do.
    Well, I was able to extract one idea from your post: if the Israelis were somewhat more decorous, the Occupation would be allright.