Abbas brings Tahrir to New York, and some of our media seem to be on board

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CNN broadcast Mahmoud Abbas’s speech to the General Assembly today with a split screen of a huge, respectful, flagwaving crowd in Ramallah. Truly inspiring optics: Tahrir Square had come to New York.

Myself I found the Abbas speech hugely moving. It pulsated with history, with the Nakba and Partition and the ’67 war and the occupation, and it was incredibly dignified. As dignified as the people gathered in Ramallah, so many of them older. So many of them dressed for a global welcome. A beautiful people, I thought to myself, and they only want what we take for granted…

Abbas may not have any charisma, but his sense of the moment was flawless and Martin Luther Kinglike. Our dreams have been deferred forever– this is inarguable. His factual rendition of the unending occupation and of the thousands of prisoners of conscience and the refugees twice displaced was straightforward and unemotional. His invocation of the nonviolent protest movement against the racist, apartheid wall and the settlers touched on every freedom-loving heart in the room. He did not resort to figures of speech or any cheap histrionics.

It was a speech that called the U.N. back to its roots, in human rights. The calm description of 100s-year-old olive trees being uprooted was crushing, and surely comes as a revelation to many Americans. 

I can’t think of a greater contrast than Netanyahu’s subsequent performance. It was casual and derisive and scowling. He seemed to be leaning on his elbow on the podium as he insulted the body. His sneers and one-liners reminded me of performances I’ve seen at the American Enterprise Institute; and when he said that he speaks for 100 generations of Jews who longed to return to Jerusalem, he seemed deluded. The Daily Beast is likening him to Caligula. 

On CNN even Jamie Rubin of Bloomberg News trashed Netanyahu’s speech as unworthy of the body, a “debating society” speech. That is a sign of how the optics of the Palestinian movement have changed in just the past few days. Andrea Mitchell interviewing Diana Buttu– even the American elites seem dubious about the political cartel that is working to deprive the Palestinians of their Arab spring. In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press, reports on the children seized in the middle of the night, the demonstrators shot, the cisterns destroyed, the olive trees uprooted.

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  1. James
    September 23, 2011, 3:23 pm

    phil i admire your positive attitude and desire to see positive change in the mid east…

    i don’t know if i can be as optimistic as you on this though -> “In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press, reports on the children seized in the middle of the night, the demonstrators shot, the cisterns destroyed, the olive trees uprooted. ”

    i would like that, but after so many years of ignoring the struggles, aspirations and dreams of the palestinian people, it would be hard to imagine a quick 180 like you suggest here..

    • Real Jew
      September 23, 2011, 6:18 pm

      I def agree with you James. This has been going on for decades and I’m highly pessimistic that the media will react any differently than it has thus far. Last time I checked, the lobby still controls public opinion on this subject and MSM is just one of many tools they have at their disposal to perpetuate this injustice

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 7:12 pm

        You’re both right. no-one doubts the gargantuan task involved, but every crack in the edifice is another weakening of the entire structure of myths and lies. Truth has a habit of emerging regardless of the attempts to suppress it, and when it does it can sweep all before it. Every small victory is worth celebrating, every time a few more people have their eyes opened it ripples outward.

  2. DICKERSON3870
    September 23, 2011, 3:30 pm

    RE: “In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Fat chance of that, but I admire your Weissglossian optimism.

    • seafoid
      September 23, 2011, 3:40 pm


      At some point the goys are going to turn on the lobby.
      It won’t be beautiful but it will happen.

      • radii
        September 23, 2011, 4:33 pm

        I don’t think so … most Americans are truly conscious of the suffering of Jews in WWII under Hitler and to a lesser extent their other persecutions over the ages … there is a sympathy factor … but the information since 9/11 and the internet’s ubiquity has really gotten out there and now a great many Americans see clearly that israel plays us and our national interests are certainly not the same as theirs … the only things that could really make “goys” “turn” on the Lobby in a big way is if more Jonathon Pollards emerge in the short term – or if there is ever clear evidence presented of israeli ties to the attacks on 9/11

      • seafoid
        September 23, 2011, 4:55 pm

        Your media is hopelessly pro Israel. From Fox right up to Hussein Agha and Robert Malley in the New York Review. Rotten.

        Very few Yanks are getting the right info on Israel. That will change.
        Israel has nothing to offer America.

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 6:43 pm

        Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Dylan Ratigan was pounding on the bad bad bad Iran drum again tonight. MSNBC is hopeless.

        Chris Matthews can have Gaffney, Kristol, David Frum on. But Flynt Leverett, Juan Cole, Micheal Scheuer hell Seymour Hersh for heavens sake they could play it safe

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 7:42 pm

        During Rep Chabots jig for Israel on CSpans Washington Journal there were quite a few calls with clear understandings of what is really going on in that conflict and how it has been and still is a national security issue for the US.

        this is worth listening to

        Wonder when Washington Journal will have someone on to share the Palestinian perspective and some facts. Rep Chabot repeated the debunked “Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map” hooey. Then went on to say that Iran has a nuclear weapons plan. The host did not question or ask him to validate any of these unsubstantiated claims

      • American
        September 23, 2011, 10:10 pm

        “the only things that could really make “goys” “turn” on the Lobby in a big way is if more Jonathon Pollards emerge in the short term – or if there is ever clear evidence presented of israeli ties to the attacks on 9/11”

        Don’t think that will do it. Israeli spies are a dime a dozen, several more convicted this year that didn’t even get a mention in the MSM.
        Going to take a major crisis the MSM ‘has to explain’ for Americans in enough numbers to ‘actively’ go after the ‘Lobby’ and by lobby I mean the zionist policy of the US.
        A Israel war would do it. A oil embargo by Saudi until Israel and the US capitulate would do it.

      • seafoid
        September 24, 2011, 4:08 am

        An oil embargo would destroy the US economy.
        For all the talk about improvements in energy efficiency since the 70s the US is an oil junkie. And the economy is already on its knees.

        A study conducted by the Economic Policy Institute has found that the wealth destruction caused by the Great Recession has led to nearly 25 percent of American households now with a net worth equal to or less than zero.

        Israel’s war in Iraq cost over 1 trillion dollars. That’s every American paying $3500 per head into a fund that’s worth $200,000 per head to every Israeli Zionist.

        And it didn’t change anything. Bibi is still moaning about “his people’s” insecurity.

      • seafoid
        September 24, 2011, 4:25 am


        Long term do you think the current political system will survive? A third party that took over following a collapse in the Republican party for example would probably find out a whole lot of stuff . If the US is looking at a Japan style scenario for the next 20 years I wouldn’t guarantee anything to stay the same. Someone like William Jennings Bryan could emerge out of the wreckage to become President.

      • American
        September 24, 2011, 12:06 pm

        I don’t know seafoid, but I can’t see how the US can go on this way indefinitely.
        I guess what happens to the US depends on how much the little people are willing to put up with. And then what are their choices to change it? ..politics or revolution of some kind.

        It’s interesting to note that 45% of all registered voters as of the last election were registered as independent and unaffiliated.
        That means both the dems and repubs followers are ‘fringes’ of around 25% each in the voting public.
        The problem is the 45% has no election choice except a dem or repub because no unaffiliated candidate can break thru the media or the money requirment in elections.

        I’d say it would take a miracle for some true patriot of good character to break into the kind of politics we have today and ever get elected.

      • DICKERSON3870
        September 24, 2011, 4:28 am

        RE: “At some point the goys are going to turn on the lobby.” ~ seafoid

        MY REPLY: Goy or not, the corporate, for-profit press (MSM) in the U.S. will never provide objective coverage of the I-P issue. It just wouldn’t be good for their ‘bottom line’. PBS/NPR once did provide somewhat objective coverage, but they have since learned their lesson(s).
        Have you seen any coverage of the protests on Wall Street?

  3. Bill in Maryland
    September 23, 2011, 3:32 pm

    “In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press, reports on the children seized in the middle of the night, the demonstrators shot, the cisterns destroyed, the olive trees uprooted.”

    I sure hope you are right Phil.

    • RoHa
      September 23, 2011, 9:36 pm

      “In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press,”

      Probing? The American press?

  4. Duscany
    September 23, 2011, 3:39 pm

    I hope Netanyahu doesn’t decide to try to rehabilitate Israel’s image by attacking Iran. That would put American troops under attack and we would instantly enter the war on Israel’s side, thereby plunging us into a depression that would last an entire generation. And when it was over we would be a much poorer and less important nation.

    • iamuglow
      September 23, 2011, 4:23 pm

      ‘we would be a much poorer and less important nation’

      This seems envitable.

      Its even clearer now that the political enviorment is no different today than when the US began its decade long worldwide war on terror and occupation of Iraq. The public may be agaisnt more ME wars but there is entire apparatus that is creating circumstances that will make it unavoidable.

      being a ‘poorer and less important nation’, may wind up being a good for America. This sole empire thing really got of a hand in a hurry.

    • thetumta
      September 23, 2011, 7:32 pm

      I’m more concerned in the short term in how he does it. A direct attack on Iran by his forces is dicey at best. Tactically, I would advise them to use a cruise missile delivered by a Dolphin on an American city. In the current environment, Iran will immediately be blamed and nuked into oblivion. I would think in the longer run, it will become irresistible to the Likud mindset when they feel cornered again. Just like October 73. They’re serious Kool-aide drinkers after all.

  5. atime forpeace
    September 23, 2011, 4:21 pm

    So what are you saying Phil? that he came across as an arrogant bastage.

    Great vision.

    Written by Forward Editorial   
    Friday, 02 February 2007

    “Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, addressed the fears head-on last week in an address to Israel’s prestigious Herzliya Conference. Lamenting what he called „the poisoning of America,” Hoenlein painted a dire picture of American public discourse turning increasingly anti-Jewish and anti-Israel in the year ahead.

    Hoenlein dated the trend to the 2005 arrest of two former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, on charges of passing classified national security information. Hoenlein argued that the Jewish community made a major mistake by not forcefully criticizing the arrests.”

  6. annie
    September 23, 2011, 4:27 pm

    excellent post phil. thanks

  7. Pamela Olson
    September 23, 2011, 4:38 pm

    The tone in Ramallah is calm, respectful, kind of a party atmosphere just because the world is at least looking in this direction for once, and the PA let people off work and school for a couple of days and put on some free outdoor concerts.

    But over all it’s pretty muted. People just kind of wandered off after watching his speech on a screen set up on a giant stage built by Fatah on the Clock Circle (now apparently named “Arafat Square,” though no one actually calls it that). It was a nice speech, but no one expects miracles overnight. Everyone’s just kinda like, “OK, what now?” I’m not sure people here understand the sea change that American public opinion, and even our elites, are going through, or what the implications might be. I’m pretty curious what the implications will be myself.

    Settlers are inciting violence, but not as much as I had feared. (Just their usual execrable thug pogroms, with the army having their back as always.) I’m planning to travel to several different cities in the coming days with the expectation that the checkpoints won’t be closed. Hope I’m right. Settlers have attacked some Palestinian cars, and soldiers have fined Palestinian cars that flew Palestinian flags.

    It’s really enough already. This occupation is ridiculous.

    • Dex
      September 23, 2011, 7:27 pm

      May I ask what you are doing there?

      • Pamela Olson
        September 24, 2011, 5:23 am

        Visiting friends, launching my book (Fast Times in Palestine), and checking out how things have changed in the past year and a half. Also wanted to be here for the statehood bid to see firsthand how people are reacting. It’s hard to trust most news sources, or even triangulate with many news sources.

        Every time I’m here, I watch and read the news with a fair bit of incredulity. It’s amazing to see a news anchor in Ramallah who clearly doesn’t speak a word of Arabic and probably doesn’t know any Palestinians pointing the camera at something and drawing a totally absurd conclusion from it. I’m really glad for people like Joseph Dana, who actually live here. It’s quite rare. But it’s always best to be here for yourself, where it’s easy to go beyond a few staged rallies.

      • Dex
        September 25, 2011, 1:37 pm


        Thanks for the response. I think what you’re doing is fantastic. I got on your blog and was able to read some excerpts from your new book; it was very interesting and you have a nice, lucid writing style!

        Is “Fast Times in Palestine” a take on that old 80’s flick, “Fast Times at Ridgemont High?”

        Keep up the good work!

    • Kathleen
      September 23, 2011, 7:38 pm

      thanks for your perspective

    • Bill in Maryland
      September 23, 2011, 11:09 pm

      Thanks Pamela for your reporting from Palestine. Please continue to share your impressions on the ground.

    • seafoid
      September 24, 2011, 4:12 am

      “Settlers have attacked some Palestinian cars, and soldiers have fined Palestinian cars that flew Palestinian flags.”

      You don’t fit into our dud narrative. in our model you don’t exist. I must fine you.

      “It’s really enough already. This occupation is ridiculous.”

      Saheeh! What a joke. I was talking to one of my rabid Israeli colleagues on Monday and asked him about the situation in Israel. He said “The Russians don’t want to give any land to the Palestinians” WTF have the Russians got to do with it ?

  8. MRW
    September 23, 2011, 4:41 pm

    The Daily Beast is also reporting this: Eli Lake previews an exclusive story that will appear in Monday’s Newsweek.

    While publicly pressuring Israel to make deeper concessions to the Palestinians, President Obama has secretly authorized significant new aid to the Israeli military that includes the sale of 55 deep-penetrating bombs known as bunker busters, Newsweek has learned.

    In an exclusive story to be published Monday on growing military cooperation between the two allies, U.S. and Israeli officials tell Newsweek that the GBU-28 Hard Target Penetrators—potentially useful in any future military strike against Iranian nuclear sites—were delivered to Israel in 2009, just several months after Obama took office.

    The military sale was arranged behind the scenes as Obama’s demands for Israel to stop building settlements in disputed territories were fraying political relations between the two countries in public.

    • Bill in Maryland
      September 23, 2011, 5:41 pm

      Events from 2009, leaked to Newsweek now by the Obama administration so as to shore up its bona fides with respect to Israel. Yet another sign of Obama’s weakness and groveling to the Lobby I am afraid.

  9. seafoid
    September 23, 2011, 4:44 pm

    I thought the Arab lady doing the interpreting during the speech was going to cry . You can really hear the emotion in her voice.

    • annie
      September 23, 2011, 5:07 pm

      yeah, when they stood up is when i burst into tears. thanks for linking to it again. i’m listening again now.

  10. seafoid
    September 23, 2011, 4:52 pm

    “A beautiful people, I thought to myself”

    Come off it, Phil. It doesn’t matter what they look like.
    Couldn’t you say a decent people with light in their eyes?

    • Rania
      September 23, 2011, 6:32 pm

      It’s okay. We are pretty hot. I think it all the time.

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 7:00 pm

        Yay, I thought so, but didn’t dare admit it

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 7:06 pm

        it did cross my mind more than a few times on my travels.

      • Rania
        September 23, 2011, 7:44 pm

        Thanks! I will take being called beautiful as a people any old day. It is refreshing, especially as compared to what we are usually called. And I love Phil’s optimism. I think the little things make a big difference. Even though I think things will get worse before they get better, I know they will get better in the end. The truth always finds a way to come out, and the more effort being put into suppressing the truth, the more powerful it is once it comes out. That’s why the Zionists hate this website and the Irvine 11 and the children of Gaza and their art so much. It’s kind of sad to think about how much time and energy and money they spend on suppressing such things, and beautiful to see how it always backfires. I share Phil’s optimism. I think everything is changing, and what happens at the UN is irrelevant. What matters is that people are talking, and the conversation is very different from what it was even months ago.

      • justicewillprevail
        September 24, 2011, 4:38 am

        truth is beauty

      • Mooser
        September 25, 2011, 2:39 pm

        “truth is beauty”

        Well, except in Zionism, of course, which has modofied that to read: Truth is Booty!

      • AhVee
        September 24, 2011, 9:37 am

        “A beautiful people, I thought to myself”
        I personally thought that sentence was awesome. +1 from me. The first Palestinian I saw and registered as one is Queen Rania. I was in puberty, so I’d rather not explain what happened.
        One thing that hasn’t been mentioned yet is the Palestinian’s humour, from what I understand, and the Palestinians I know, they have a fantastic and sharp sense of humor. Do want.

        “The truth always finds a way to come out, and the more effort being put into suppressing the truth, the more powerful it is once it comes out.”

        Quoting an Israeli artist who posted on this website once, “nothing bad lasts for ever”, that much is sure.

  11. Bill in Maryland
    September 23, 2011, 5:56 pm

    But not all of the media sadly, even the new media. This historic day at the UN, and nothing on Josh Marshall’s front page (at least as of the time of this posting) about Israel and Palestine and the UN declaration. Why is Josh Marshall, smart as he is, acting like an ostrich on this issue?

    • crone
      September 23, 2011, 6:20 pm

      Josh is a Jew…. and, as you point out, a smart Jew.

    • Kathleen
      September 23, 2011, 6:41 pm

      Nothing at Huff Po, Firedoglake, Salon. You know those liberal sites

      Counterpunch had a bunch of articles up

  12. Kathleen
    September 23, 2011, 6:40 pm

    and on another MSM outlet

    Dylan Ratigan showed a split screen with Abbas at the UN and in the other screen Palestinian protest were people were throwing things at I believe the IDF. Ratigan then went into a song and dance about how much money Saudi Arabia was giving the Palestinians. As if this is the reason behind Palestinians anger with Israel

    THEN Chris Matthews had Micheal Oren on. It was a pathetic quickie

    I just put this up over at Chris’s blog

    How bad was Chris Matthews morally disastrous interview with Israeli Ambassador Micheal Oren?

    Chris I have not ever witnessed such a quickie. During that interview you bent over to illegal Israeli policies said your pledge of allegiance to Israel rolled over and literally teabagged Israeli ambassador Micheal Oren. All in ten minutes.

    Tonight you were a discredit to your alleged career, your country (this is a national security issue for the US) and to your alleged faith. Clearly you have completely sold out to the All mighty dollar.

    You not only did not ask any hardball questions you demonstrated that you have no balls. Not one challenging question. Even a softball. You could have asked about settlements. You did not need to honor international findings or the UN that the settlements are ILLEGAL chris ILLEGAL. Then you kissed Netanyahu’s signet ring and said it could be done in “10 years” “the right way”

  13. Kathleen
    September 23, 2011, 7:36 pm

    “. In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press, reports on the children seized in the middle of the night, the demonstrators shot, the cisterns destroyed, the olive trees uprooted.”

    I will not be holding my breath..not even for a second. With Dylan Ratigan showing a split screen of Abbas at the UN with some Palestinians throwing stuff at I believe IDF…not showing peaceful protesters. Then Dylan flipped and went into the bad bad bad Iran dance and a focus on Saudi Arabia that needs to happen but not linked to what is going on right now. He went way out in left field.

    Then Chris Matthews bending over and quickly saying the pledge of allegiance rolled over and teabagged Micheal Oren all in ten minutes. I might need to start watching CNN more.

    I think what we are going to hear the next year out of these sold out folks is BAD BAD IRAN. No challenges coming out of their mouths. they seem to have not learned anything from their fuck ups in the run up to the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. In fact most of them are helping set the stage for Israel dropping some bunker busters that Israel bought from the US…. on Iran

    • seafoid
      September 24, 2011, 4:17 am


      Iran would be the end of the American Empire.

      The US has zero room for manoeuvre with the govt debt around 100% of GDP. A war on Iran would have to be funded out of current social security and medicare spending. Bibi was on last night talking about barbarians and the 9th century but these guys have whipped Yank ass in Afghanistan and it took a lot less time than Vietnam.

      The technology is useless

  14. mudder
    September 24, 2011, 8:07 am

    The Presbyterians are sharing this post on Facebook. Cool.

  15. Sheldonrichman
    September 24, 2011, 8:35 am

    Excellent summary, Philip. Your contrast of Abbas and Netanyahu is right on the mark. The difference couldn’t have been more stark. I applaud Abbas for not only doing what is right but also for maneuvering Obama into this uncomfortable corner. Now we will see things the way they are.

  16. AhVee
    September 24, 2011, 9:46 am

    “he said that he speaks for 100 generations of Jews who longed to return to Jerusalem”

    I wonder what was stopping those “100 generations” from immigrating to Palestine. Oh yes, the fact that they didn’t want to. In fact, many Jews *left* the land of their own accord, notably tradespeople, and settled abroad. The land wasn’t even densely populated throughout large stretches of history.

    Ask the common Jew around the beginning of the 20th century if they ‘long for Jerusalem” so bad they’d be willing to expel the native population and settle there by force, and they’d likely have laughed in your face. So much for Bibi’s 100 generations.

  17. yourstruly
    September 24, 2011, 10:16 am

    so why would a jew or anyone else cheer for palestinian statehood?

    same reason people now applaud the native american in replays of the cowboy and indian movies

    despite generations of nonstop propaganda favoring the oppressor

    a gut-level identification with the oppressed

    once the truth sets in

    • AhVee
      September 24, 2011, 11:34 am

      “so why would a jew or anyone else cheer for palestinian statehood?”

      That’s an important point. I mean, there’s literally dozens of Jewish pro-Palestinian intellectuals in publication, plenty of Jewish pro-Palestine activists (on and off the net) and many more Jewish people who aren’t involved but have a pro-Palestinian mindset.

      How many Palestinian people standing up for the Zionist cause?


      Exactly. That alone should tell people that maybe, just maybe, a significant number of Jews fight alongside Palestinians on this because … the Palestinians have a point? [a very good one at that], whereas the Zios don’t?

      But oh no, they’d rather squeeze their nuts with hot tongs before they come to such a conclusion, never mind if it comes begging. The pro-Palestine Jews are put off as self-haters, traitors, idiots who can’t formulate a comprehensive thought, accused of having a death wish and largely prevented from speaking in popular media outlets. Why are there many more Zios speaking in the American media? Not because they have the truth, it’s because they have the lobby for it, guys. Look past America and you’ll find most countries have far more balanced reporting on the issue. It’s a matter of perspective, not of truth and falsity. I wish people would look past the brim of their plate and understand that.

      As for ‘everyone else’, quite obviously they’re terrorist sympathisers, who all hate the Jews (never mind they walk hand-in-hand with them at demonstrations, have Jewish friends, etc), it’s so obvious. They’re all members of the upcoming socialist-Muslim caliphate, or whatever it’s called. Heresy who calls it otherwise, death to you and your descendants! *approaches with a wooden stake*

  18. Kris
    September 24, 2011, 12:52 pm

    “In months to come, we can expect probing coverage of the occupation at last from the American press, reports on the children seized in the middle of the night, the demonstrators shot, the cisterns destroyed, the olive trees uprooted.”

    I hope you are right. And I hope that Jewish Americans will start feeling the same kind of societal pressure that is on Muslim Americans, who are expected to step forward and condemn every violent act committed by any Muslim, anywhere.

    When Jewish Americans have to start apologizing for Zionist atrocities, and to start worrying that their non-Jewish neighbors are suspecting them of being the kind of people who support shooting at children on their way to school, detaining pregnant women at checkpoints until their babies die, and flooding Palestinian farms with raw sewage, things will start changing for the better very fast.

    • annie
      September 24, 2011, 1:57 pm

      seriously kris, are you in your right mind? why would anyone wish that on any group of people based on their ethnicity? the way out of this problem is not to compound it. there are many of american jews speaking out because of their conscious, not societal pressure which is the way it should be.

      • annie
        September 24, 2011, 2:00 pm

        plus, there’s no reason any non zionist should have to defend themselves for the actions taken on behalf of zionism. christian zionists on the other hand bear huge responsibility. millions of people. we don’t need complete societal breakdown and recriminations or civil war.

      • eljay
        September 24, 2011, 2:22 pm

        >> annie: seriously kris, are you in your right mind?

        Kris’ point isn’t all that unreasonable. Muslim Americans have been tarnished by the actions of Islamofascists and have been expected to apologize for them. Equality suggests that Jewish Americans should be tarnished by the actions of Zio-supremacists and should be expected to apologize for them.

        Then again – and this is where I do agree with you – compounding one wrong with another is not the best way to proceed, even if it does leave a bitter taste in one’s mouth.

      • annie
        September 24, 2011, 2:38 pm

        yes, ‘quality’ of racist islamophobia might suggests that Jewish Americans should be tarnished by the actions of Zio-supremacists and should be expected to apologize for them. but why would anyone choose to become equal to racist acts? that’s all i’m saying. i don’t want anyone to worry their neighbors are suspicious of them because of their race or ethnicity. i would never advocate that or wish for it. on the other hand if someone shows outward signs of supporting apartheid or ethnic cleansing that is another story.

      • Kris
        September 24, 2011, 2:46 pm

        What I’m talking about is that once the media silence is broken, and “Today in Palestine” is common knowledge almost every day in the U.S., which we hope will happen, the majority of Jewish Americans are going to be forced to look at what they have been supporting, either actively or with their silence.

        At this time, Muslims in the U.S. are expected to apologize for everything other Muslims do; no matter that this expectation is absurd. I think that many Jewish Americans are going to be placing themselves in the same uncomfortable position, because they will absolutely not like the thought of being associated in any way with the things that they are successfully ignoring right now.

        And I think it is unrealistic not to realize that Israel’s campaign for decades to conflate “Zionism” and “Israel” with “Judaism” and “Jew” has had huge success. The big lie technique works and has been effective up until very recently to stifle criticism of Israel.

        But because of the successful conflation of Zionism and Judaism, Jewish Americans will realize that their friends and neighbors are wondering if they are the kind of people who support atrocities against the Palestinians.

        It will no longer be possible for Jewish Americans to be PEP–progressive except Palestine. The cognitive dissonance will become overwhelming.

        I grew up in Jim Crow Texas, and I can tell you that the consciences of most of the whites in my community did not change until they experienced the shame of being in the media spotlight and seeing themselves as others saw them, over and over again. It was the shame of realizing that people didn’t see them as devout Christians trying to maintain a traditional social order, but as disgusting bullies beating up defenseless victims. The clincher, of course, was the changes in the law. If blacks had had to wait for civil rights until white consciences changed in the U.S. south, they would still be waiting.

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