The Toulouse killings and the false specter of European anti-Semitism

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Thousands took to the streets of Paris Sunday in a silent march against racism, anti-Semitism and terrorism. (Photo: Leela Jacinto/France24)

The anti-Semitic killings in Toulouse, France last week predictably led a slew of Israelis to raise the specter of European anti-Semitism. This scary prospect was invoked to promote the idea of Israel as the only safe home for Jews. But a close reading of the evidence on anti-Semitism in France, and in Europe as a whole, reveals the specter to be a cheap political trick, perhaps meant to help fix Israel’s “demographic problem.”

Israeli Members of the Knesset Danny Danon (Likud) and Ya’akov Katz (National Union) led the way in exploiting the murders. The Times of Israel reports:

MK Ya’akov Katz called Monday for Jews to leave France in the wake of a deadly attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse.

“There is no Jewish future in France,” Katz, of the National Union party, said, adding that the state of Israel is the future of the Jewish people, and that Jews should not trust their fate to “Sarkozy, Obama or other world leaders…”

In the wake of the deadly attack, MK Danny Danon (Likud), called for an urgent session Tuesday of the Knesset’s Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs Committee, which he chairs, to discuss the attack.

“We will not allow the pogroms of the beginning of the 20th century to return to Europe,” Danon said.

Katz and Danon are expressing the basic Zionist principle that Jews will never be safe in Europe and that Israel is their haven.

The Anti-Defamation League is also peddling a similar line of thought. “ADL Survey In Ten European Countries Finds Anti-Semitism At Disturbingly High Levels,” read the headline on a survey released March 20, a day after the killings in France.

But decades after the Holocaust, just how bad is it for Jews in Europe? It’s nowhere near the point of “pogroms,” to say the least.

Anti-Semitism in Europe exists, for sure. But Dov Waxman, an associate professor of political science at Baruch College, takes a close look at the evidence on anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe in an excellent piece of analysis on +972 Magazine. His takeaway:

The truth is that anti-Semitism in France and in Europe as a whole, though it certainly exists, is not nearly as great a danger as many outside observers in Israel and the United States believe. While the threat of anti-Semitism is real and must be taken seriously, it should not be exaggerated or blown out of proportion. In fact, far from being on the verge of catastrophe, European Jewry is experiencing a renaissance that we should be celebrating.

And his evidence:

To properly gauge the threat posed by anti-Semitism in Europe today we must rely upon empirical data, not traumatic collective memories. In France, the data reveals that anti-Semitic incidents have generally been declining in recent years since an upsurge of incidents in the first half of the 2000s following the outbreak of the Second Intifada (there was another upsurge in 2009 prompted by Israel’s war in Gaza). According to statistics compiled by the French Jewish community’s Jewish Community Protection Service (SPCJ), last year there were 389 anti-Semitic incidents, this was down 16.5 percent from the previous year (when 466 incidents occurred). Although more serious acts of anti-Semitic violence (physical assaults, vandalism, and arson) have not decreased, it is simply wrong to claim that France is experiencing a growing wave of anti-Semitism. In reality, anti-Semitism ebbs and flows in France and elsewhere.

Waxman also skewers the ADL survey:

When it released its most recent survey last week (I can’t help but wonder whether the timing was just a coincidence?) its press release declared that the survey revealed “large swaths of the population [in the ten European countries surveyed] subscribe to classical anti-Semitic notions.” While this was true in some of the countries – Hungary, Poland, and Spain – in others, anti-Semitic views (specifically, that Jews have too much power in business and in international financial markets, are more loyal to Israel than to their own country, and “talk too much” about the Holocaust) were held by only a minority of people, less than a quarter of respondents in most countries, while clear majorities rejected such views.

The press release also highlighted an increase in the overall level of anti-Semitism in France despite the fact that the purported rise in anti-Semitic attitudes there from 20 percent of the population in a previous ADL poll conducted in 2009 to 24 percent in 2012 was actually within the survey’s margin of error. Nevertheless, this didn’t stop Abraham Foxman, the head of the ADL, from simply asserting that: “France has seen an increase in the level of anti-Semitism.”

Danon and Katz may very well know that there is no danger of anti-Jewish pogroms erupting in Europe. But they won’t admit it, because that would undermine a different struggle, what they see as the demographic struggle in Israel/Palestine.

An ulterior motive for the calls for Jews to move to Israel exists. The motive is the fear of Israeli Jews losing their edge in numbers over Palestinians in the territory between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea. This is the “demographic threat” one hears so much talk about. Both Katz and Danon talk of it.

In a New York Times Op-Ed, Danon advocated for the annexing of the West Bank by Israel, but emphasized that in his plan, “Palestinians would not have the option to become Israeli citizens, therefore averting the threat to the Jewish and democratic status of Israel by a growing Palestinian population.” Likewise, Katz has warned that African refugees coming to Israel pose a “demographic threat.”

So Africans and Palestinians need not apply. But French Jews? Come along.

It’s important to realize that Danon and Katz are not primarily concerned with the safety of Europe’s Jews. Their knee jerk reactions to the killings in France were not concerned with the facts. So it’s not a leap to suggest that the specter of European anti-Semitism is raised in the service of consolidating a Jewish majority so that Israel will always be a “Jewish” state.

About Alex Kane

Alex Kane is an assistant editor for Mondoweiss and the World editor for AlterNet. Follow him on Twitter @alexbkane.
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  1. pabelmont says:

    How odd that “students” of attacks against Jews do not consider carefully [1] whether attacks occur when particularly atrocious Israeli actions become infamous and [2] whether or not they occur to Jews (as targets) [if any] who openly and noisily profess humanitarian principles for Palestinians and oppose Israeli oppression of Palestinians.

  2. David Samel says:

    Ah, the ADL. I recall that when Mel Gibson had his idiotic outburst, he was defended by Jackie Mason (why???) who said that Foxman would be out of a job if he didn’t accuse others of anti-Semitism. Years ago, the ADL announced an alarming rise in US anti-Semitism based upon their poll, which of course they followed by soliciting contributions to combat this frightening trend. Of course, the ADL did not ask respondents if they are anti-Semitic, but used a questionnaire that the ADL interpreted. The Curtis (Sliwa) and (Ron) Kuby radio show had callers take the same questionnaire, and guess which group scored the highest for signs of anti-Semitism. Orthodox Jews. Why? The ADL asked questions like “Do you think that Jews tend to stick together more than other ethnic groups?” and Orthodox Jews were most likely to respond “Of course we do,” which was deemed the anti-Semitic answer.

    There has always been a perverse tendency on the part of Israel to increase the perception of world-wide anti-Semitism to fortify its raison d’etre. There was the whole Chirac-Sharon flap in 2004 or so over the “girl on the train” in Paris who falsely claimed to be the victim of an anti-Semitic attack by North Africans. In the 1950′s, there was the Israeli encouragement of Jews throughout the Arab countries to leave and emigrate to their ancestral home. It’s hardly surprising that these creeps are capitalizing on this Toulouse tragedy. Disgusting, but hardly surprising.

    • marc b. says:

      david, the community service trust (cst) performs a similar function in the UK and europe, with dodgy methodology in its polling used to reach similar conclusions about rising anti-semitism in europe, aided, needless to say, by the ‘new anti-semitism’, which incorporates criticism of the state of israel into its definition. the ADL and CST also have similarly creepy relationships with the security services.

      see this on the CST’s role in cooking up charges of anti-semitism against raed salah in an effort to get him booted from the UK:

      Asa Winstanley
      The Electronic Intifada
      6 October 2011

      As Palestinian leader Sheikh Raed Salah’s appeal against deportation concluded in a Birmingham court this new details of the UK government’s deep links to the Israel lobby have emerged.

      This follows a separate High Court ruling in London on 30 September, when a judicial review into the government’s June imprisonment of Salah ruled he was entitled to damages for “wrongful detention.”

      While a panel of two immigration judges is expected to deliver a verdict within 10 days of the hearing, internal government emails obtained by The Electronic Intifada show Home Secretary Theresa May moved quickly to ban Salah not long after the pro-Israel group Community Security Trust (CST) sent a secret report on him. The report contained quotes ascribed to Salah with the word “Jews” inserted into his rhetorical attacks on Israeli occupation forces, in an attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite.

      In court on Monday, government barrister Neil Sheldon said, “There is no question of this being a doctored quote, or a cooked-up quote,” although he conceded that the words “Jews” did not appear in the original poem written by Salah. A Jerusalem Post report cited by the government against Salah “may well have got it wrong,” Sheldon stated (“Civil Liberties,” 20 June 2009). But Sheldon seemed to argue that this fact did not matter because that is how the poem was reported in a “respectable media outlet in Israel.”

      This and other similar misquotes were then used by May as a principle source for her banning order against Salah. Salah entered the UK legally on 23 June. Neither he nor his organizers were aware of the ban, because the government had not managed to serve it on him in time.

      Conservative Party funder on board of group that pushed for Salah to be banned

      The Electronic Intifada can reveal that Poju Zabludowicz, a billionaire real estate magnate who bankrolls the ruling Conservative Party (to which May belongs), is named as a CST board member in a report by an expert witnesses called by Salah’s lawyers. The emails obtained by The Electronic Intifada appear to show that CST played a key role in the banning of Salah.

      As well as personally funding UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s campaign for the Conservative Party leadership, Zabludowicz’s family used to own Israeli arms company Soltam (now part of Elbit). And he has owned a minority holding in British Israel, a company with several malls — including one in the illegal West Bank settlement Maaleh Adumim.

    • dahoit says:

      Idiotic?In what way was he incorrect in his observation that Zionists are warmongers who have turned our nation into a mad dog to copy Israel and make it guilty by association?
      Of course America has had its share of rabidity in non Israeli dealings,but remember the Zionist media gives that cover daily also.A quid pro Quo?
      And I bet the Zionists have Obomba by the yukapuk,somehow and someway,why else his capitulation to the dark side?Maybe something to do with his eligibility as POTUS,don’t discount the possibility.

  3. yourstruly says:

    with israel about to go under (ie delegitimized) why would anyone other than a diaspora palestinian even consider emigrating* there. the problem is that the settlers (every jewish israeli except for those who support justice for palestine) panic whenever reality hits them in the face, such as this latest episode in morroco where a mass protest forced an israeli diplomat to flee the country. Yet they continue to delude themselves into thinking that to forestall the “demographic problem” that haunts them all they need do is trick europe’s few hundred thousand jews into packing up and moving to israel. except it won’t resolve unfavorable demographics any more than bringing in a million russian jews did. ease the pressure for a while, perhaps, but then the inevitable will come roaring back. what then, convince large numbers of jewish-americans to save the sinking entity by taking up the call for aliyah? and just how might they pitch this – “leave the safety and comfort of your homeland and come to israel so your children can join the idf and fight to keep israel jewish and democratic?” yeah, that’s sure gonna sell!

    *palestinians wouldn’t be emigrating to palestinian but exercising their right of return.

  4. it is not a new tactic to exaggerate the presence of ‘antisemitism’ in European or any other nation where Jews dwell or have dwelt.

    Alison Weir mentions this in the first part of her history of the US-Israel special relationship:

    “In 1870 the group [Board of Delegates of American Israelites] organized protest rallies around the country and lobbied Congress to take action against reported Romanian pogroms that had killed “thousands” of Jews. The chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee suggested that such reports might be exaggerated, but under pressure from “Israeliete” board, the Senate ordered the committee to take up the matter with the State Department. Eventually, it turned out the total killed had been zero.[9]“

    link to

  5. Daniel Rich says:

    In the mean time, back home [where everything is that much safer]:

    link to

    This is footage of Israeli soldiers raiding a home in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh on the night of March 20th, 2012. This video captures a raid on the home of imprisoned Palestinian nonviolent leader Bassem Tamimi. His wife, children, and likely his mother, can be seen in the video reacting in horror to the ransacking of their home, albeit it rather common across the West Bank and in Nabi Saleh itself.

    This is an abridged version of the original.

    The video was originally posted by Bilal Tamimi and is available here: link to

    The uncut version of the aforementioned video with translations is available here: link to

  6. Sin Nombre says:

    Just as a matter of logic, but made particularly pungent by that recent incident in J’slem by those Israeli soccer fans, it seems to me that the proper metric for gauging anti-semitism somewhere would be the same metric for adjudging anti-gentilism in Israel, no?

    And of course in adjudging the degree of either in a country one would think that the incidence of *official* (legal) discrimination would weigh very very heavily indeed.

    • Mooser says:

      Sin Nombre, you are deliberately distorting the facts. Israel is a Jewish Democracy. Therefore, anti-Gentile discrimination is legal if Jews democratically decide it should be Israel’s policy. In fact, it would be anti-Semitism not to institute anti-Gentile discrimination!
      You’re not in favor of that, I hope?

  7. The suspect allegedly also killed Muslim citizen of France. Strangely, I don’t see Saudi Arabia calling on French Muslims to leave France for the “safe haven of Islam in Saudi Arabia”…

  8. NickJOCW says:

    Look, a nutcase went out to slaughter police. Deterred from his purpose, he entered the nearest building and started firing and killed the kids. I read that before he died he said this himself. It would be the same tragedy whoever were the children, but when Lady Ashton tries to express that concept and rise above the details to a level of distress all humanity can share, what happens? She gets castigated for anti-Semitism, Heaven help us. As John Donne wrote in his Xvii meditation: Never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

    Totally unconnected but kind of interesting, I just found this old map.

    • Bumblebye says:

      While the official transcript of Lady Ashton’s speech fails to mention it, video of the conference clearly shows that she ALSO mentioned the children of Sderot (who haven’t, afaik, been killed by any rockets).
      Funny how that disappeared and set her up for a tirade of zionist hate!
      link to

    • Mooser says:

      “it tolls for thee.”

      No wonder I get so thirsty when bells are ringing. I thought it was “tea”. Oh well, live and learn.

      • piotr says:

        It is more complicated.

        Do not put a golfball in a cup of tea when they want you to tee off. It is only somewhat better to put a golfball on top of upside down cup.

    • dahoit says:

      Do you mean before he was silenced?

  9. Elliot says:

    David – To top it, the Orthodox don’t care nearly as much about anti-Semitism nearly as much as other Jews. The Orthodox are more likely to be the targets of anti-Semitic attacks because of their visibility and proximity to poverty. But, their Judaism is not dependent on the hatred of others.

    The Israeli documentary Defamation covers these points. It does an excellent – and entertaining – job exposing the ADL’s “antisemitism” as a self-serving fabrication.

  10. Dan Crowther says:

    Is it fair to mention that Waxman’s analysis on “anti-semtic incidents” is directly linked (so he says) to the second intifada, and although he doesnt mention them, operation cast lead and the Flotilla? To say nothing about the continued siege of Gaza, which speaks for itself….

    I guess what I am saying is, “anti-semitic” is, in my opinion, not very descriptive here – I get the sense that this came (in the killers mind) as a result of actions taken, real tangible actions, that we all agree took place. No weird conspiracies necessary. To me, “anti-semitism” has come to be a term that overlooks history, its a term applied in a vaccuum. And in this case, as terrible as it is to say, believe me, it gives me no pleasure – calling these murders “anti-semitic” is another case of making Jews objects in history, rather than subjects. There are consequences to actions, and when “The Jewish State” aka “The State of World Jewry” does what it does, there are going to be consequences – just as there have been consequences for Americans for our governments actions.

    I always thought the phrase “they hate us for our freedoms” was an overtly zionist phrase, in the sense that it removes the US as an actor in the world, while also making a qualitative statement about “us” – and, honestly, I think current usage of “anti-semitism” is kind of the same thing. For the record, I think anyone who kills children is a monster, one that has no place among the living – that said, “The Jewish State” kills children almost daily, whatever else is true here, that fact alone (israel killing children SPECIFICALLY because of who they are) is enough to make some people angry enough to want to kill. Combine that with the support it gets from international jewry, the fact that any Jew on the planet can move to Israel and immediately become a citizen – to say nothing of the “gatekeepers” in western society- and one has to wonder how anyone can claim a “racial” hatred. This is to in no way condone any sort of violence, my point is to say these murders didnt take place in a vaccuum.

  11. There clearly is a rise of anti-Jewish sentiment in Germany due to decades of Muslim (mostly Turkish and North African) immigration. Just a few weeks ago a study was published about Muslim youth of immigrant background, aged 15 to 35. There was a markedly higher degree of anti-Semitism among them than among the same age category of German background. – From what I have been told by other teachers there is now a new term around in name calling by immigrant students: ‘Jew’. You can combine it with Muslim homophobia and make it stronger by saying: ‘you gay Jew’. That does not necessarily tranlate into recorded ‘anti-Semitic incidents’. – This has been completely unheard of when I started teaching.

    As Dan has pointed out above, it’s not difficult to explain. Muslim youth of course identify more with their countries of origin and with the Palestiniens than German youth do.

    • Bumblebye says:

      Klaus, the far right in Germany is still much more powerful and murderous than any groups of immigrant descent. Katya Adler (who used to be bbc’s go to woman in Jerusalem) reports on this today:
      link to
      Naming several groups including the NPD, the Immortals, the Zwickau cell, etc.
      Also notable is that the far right is thought to have murdered around 180 people over the past 20 years.

      • Theo says:


        Do you really believe that BBC will send a person to Jerusalem who is open minded about zionism?
        Who are the persons representing US papers and TV there? Would they ever tell the truth?

        95% of germans were born after the war or were only children in the war, the other 5% are over 85 years old and planning the big trip. In my opinion that country has much less right wing idiots than we have in the USA. We have armed gangs planning to take over the country, the germans don´t.
        I think 67 years after the war it is time to stop blaming Germany for everything or they may stop giving Israel free submarines.

        • Bumblebye says:

          I was responding to Klaus’s comment, and merely mentioned that Katya Adler had been bbc Jerusalem based correspondent. The comment was about Germany, not US, nor about zionism. Nor was any “blame” about anything attributed by me to anybody.

    • Mooser says:

      “This has been completely unheard of when I started teaching.”

      Among many things, I’ll wager. I’m about the same age as you, Klaus, and we know it’s true. These kids today, especially those Muslim immigrants, are taking us to hell in a handbasket.
      But still, I gotta wonder, Klaus. Are you really the guy who should be inditing Muslim immigrant kids for their anti-semitism? I mean to say I’m just saying, but, I’m just saying, you know what I mean?

      “Just a few weeks ago a study was published about Muslim youth of immigrant background, aged 15 to 35″

      Which you very kindly linked us to, in the tradition of old-fashioned Teutonic scholarship.

      “Muslim homophobia”

      Klaus, get in touch with the IUOE before your next comment. They get real touchy about members working non-union side jobs.

      • Are you really the guy who should be inditing Muslim immigrant kids for their anti-semitism? I mean to say I’m just saying, but, I’m just saying, you know what I mean?

        i know what you mean mooser. next he’s gonna say he was just snarkin’us.

        • Mooser says:

          Annie, a huge a challenging job is being started on the Seattle waterfront. The old “Viaduct” an elevated freeway along the waterfront, is being replaced with a tunnel. Listen to this: It’ll take over a year to assemble the tunneling machine, which will complete the digging job in just a few months! As a loyal Washingtonian, I’m always looking for ways to save Olympia money.
          And when it comes to digging a hole for yourself, well, Klaus could make that machine slink off in shame.

  12. Theo says:

    One example of how NOT to make friends:

    The israeli consul in Munich, Germany, demaded from the government of that country to forbid the nationalistic right wing party NPD!!

    I say they should do it, but under the condition that the german consul in Tel Aviv can name those nationalistic right wing parties in Israel, (and there are a lot more than in Germany), that should be declared illegal.

    Reading this in a major german paper sure made a few new friends for Israel and the local jews!

    • LeaNder says:

      We don’t need to read it in a newspaper, this is a decades old discussion. There was one attempt to do so, but it failed due to the snitches of the secret service inside the party. But the country is divided on the issue, does it help when they go underground or simply create a new party with a new name?

      • Theo says:


        You totally misunderstood what I tried to say!

        Sure, those idiots in the NDP should be locked up and the party forbidden, however there is the question of freedom of speech and expression in a democratic country. How do you get around that and who decides when a party must be forbidden. Can you forbid the KKK in the USA?

        However, this is not what I tried to convey. The issue is that a low ranking israeli diplomat DIRECTS the local government what to do, what is an insult to the sovereignty of that country. Germany is not yet at the stage where Israel can dictate the interior politics, as they do in the USA.
        Germany should accept the “order”, but in turn DEMAND that their consul in Tel Aviv can get israeli parties declared illegal and forbiden.
        Tit for a tat, or is it the other way around.

        • LeaNder says:

          I understood, Theo. But there is a huge debate over here as a result of the revelation of the national socialist underground, that’s how they called themselves, terror cell. I simply don’t see any reason why an ambassador shouldn’t say what he thinks. Last time it was tried, and not for nothing, I tell you, the attempt failed at the Federal Court. I have mixed feelings about it. But I also don’t doubt that the connections between racial crimes and the Party are real.

          Besides the new Central Mosque here in Cologne is not in the industrial quarters.

        • dahoit says:

          Yeah,like today’s times don’t promote nationalistic groups in every nation involved in the Israeli securitization pact against their own nations interests.
          What are you,in a bunker under the White house?
          Hitlers ghost is resurrected daily,despite your panties getting wadded over the priming of the pump of hate by hasbaritic seppeku and delusional idiots who actually believe their divinity,however devoid of spirituality.

  13. dhk says:

    This article leaves me believing that anti-semitism is indeed a serious problem in Europe, when in a survey a quarter of the people surveyed claim some anti-semitic thinking and when in France there are almost 400 incidents in a single year. The problem is not this anti-semitism, which is a serious problem and needs to be addressed (imagine our outcry if there were that many attacks against Arabs or Muslims) but is the Zionist response, that Jews are only safe in Israel. This kind of tribal response reinforces all the negative, zionist, attitudes in Israel. The solution for this anti-semitism is to work on it in the countries where it exists, not move all Jews to the middle east. This “Israel is the only place for Jews” attitude that is prevalent in so much of zionism is directly connected to the attitude that Israel must be the state of the Jews, and therefore all others living there are second-class citizens at best. Obviously, this won’t bring justice and peace to Palestine/Israel and won’t help the Jews who live in, and are citizens of, other countries.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      Well, any true anti-semitic incident is one too many. But always take these statistics with a grain of salt. For example, what does it mean to say that one-quarter of the population has “some anti-semitic thinking.” It was an ADL survey. Were some incidents of anti-Israel thinking falsely considered antisemitic?

      Further, consider that one of the things highlighted whether Jews “talked too much” about the Holocaust. That is outrageous, as it basically states that anyone who did not completely defer on this question is, by definition, an antisemite. That is insanity. One can have many reasons for thinking that any particular quantum of talking about the holocaust is too much, and not be motivated by antisemitsm. But the survey does not seem to reconize that truth.

      • yourstruly says:

        woody, you’re not implying that the ADL might have reasons to design its poll so as exaggerate the extent of antisemitism in europe, are you? but why would they do this? surely not to panic jewish-french towards exiting France for Israel? or would they?

    • Mayhem says:

      My oath it is a serious problem that is worsening – don’t let Alex Kane and his cohorts kid you.
      Toulouse yesterday link to
      And this report link to from more than two years ago titled “Anti-Semitism in Europe: New prejudice fans flames of the oldest hatred”, which discussed how European media feeds anti-Semitism by rejecting its existence and drowning it with Islamophobia.

  14. Bumblebye (whatever that means) – what you say is correct. But it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism in Germany. The violence of the far neo-Nazi right in Germany is directed mainly or exclusively towards Turkish immigrants, not against Jews (the majority of the 200 000 Jews now living in Germany are also immigrants, they come from the former Soviet Union).

    • Mooser says:

      “But it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism in Germany.”

      Yeah, Bumblebye, like, you know, what the heck? Please find me one, just one, incidence of anti-Semitism by the German right!

      “(whatever that means)”

      Yes, that is sort of unclear. Luckily, I don’t think we’ll have any trouble finding out what “Klaus Bloemker” means.

    • LeaNder says:

      After I moved to Cologne there was an incident in Düsseldorf. For the non-Germans, that’s about 40 miles North. Must have been in the early 90s at the time we also had quite a few assaults on Turkish Germans here in North-Rhine Westphalia. In this incidents Jewish immigrants from Russia were the targets.

      I occasionally meet someone wearing a kippah/yarmulke here in Cologne, and am absolutely pleased about it, occasionally visibly Jewish families due to this little detail and on Shabbat men with dark coat and hat hasten to the synagogue, which is close to me. I am not aware of any other incidents, but I’ll find out about the statistics in that field and the criteria of classification here in Germany during the last decades.

      The ADL polls of course are absolutely silly, but that’s another matter.

      • marc b. says:

        leander, when i lived in germany (90-92) the only incident of anti-semitism i personally witnessed was the comments of an elderly women assuring me (i was an american GI, she presumed) that the only germans protesting the first gulf war debacle were ‘jews’. the younger generations seemed to bend over backwards to prove their anti-racist bona fides. i witnessed much more overt racism in what would become the former soviet bloc countries.

  15. Mooser says:

    “imagine our outcry if there were that many attacks against Arabs or Muslims”

    I can’t, but I find that if I add those attacks to the ones against Afro-Americans, Hipanics, GLBT, and Asian people very little imagination is needed. Nor, apparently, is very much outcry needed, but that’s another story.
    Of course, add in “attacks on women” and imagination, a great deal, is neede to get the number down to 400.

  16. Mooser, I enjoy your comments — although they are partly unintelligible to me. I lack your knowledge of sophisticated American English. Anyway, keep writing to me. Your’s truely, Klaus

    • Mooser says:

      “I lack your knowledge of sophisticated American English.”

      Oh, I doubt it Klaus. Your English is fine, probably better than mine, and tells us everything you want it to, maybe even more. You are a retired Professor, and I am a sixth grade drop-out. There’s really no contest.

      • Mooser — Is there a meta level of my language? Anyway, I might be a professor and you might be a school drop-out (both is questionable), but there is one thing we share: the Hammering Man. There is one in Seattle and one in Frankfurt. Look at Google maps.

  17. The suspect allegedly also killed Muslim citizen of France. Strangely, I don’t see Saudi Arabia calling on French Muslims to leave France for the “safe haven of Islam in Saudi Arabia”

    One of his victims among the soldiers was a Catholic, but since he had an arabic family name, Merah (the killer) believed he was another “muslim traitor” and targeted him as well.


    As for whether antisemitism is on the rise or not, here is the last report of the french National Consultative Commission of Human Rights:
    link to

    According to this repport:

    25% of the french population sees Jews as being a group aloof from the rest of society. In 2004, 40% of the population saw Jews as being aloof; in 2009, 29%
    40% of the french population sees maghrebi immigrants as being a group aloof from the rest of society. in 2004, 57% of the population saw maghrebi immigrants as being aloof; in 2009, 33%
    51% of the french population sees Muslims as being a group aloof from the rest of society. in 2004, 63% of the population saw maghrebi immigrants as being aloof; in 2009, 44%

    So it appears that expressed feelings of alienness toward Jews are diminishing in France, while the expressed feelings of alienness toward Muslims or the main group of arabic immigrants are rising again after a period deflation between 2004 and 2009.

    Also, while observed by political affiliation, it appears that tolerance of minorities remained stable among left-wing and centrist French, and diminished a lot among right-wing Frenchs, from nearly 52% of right-wing Frenchs displaying tolerant opinions in 2008 to 43% today, the lowest level since 1992.

    When it comes to studying ethnocentrism in the population, French people used to show a very low level of ethnocentrism from the hard left to the moderate right: only the far right displayed in 2009 a high level of ethnocentrism, while in 2011, centrists displayed a level of ethnocentrism nearly twice as high as two years prior, center-right people displayed a level of ethnocentism similar to the 2009 far-right’s level of ethnocentrism and the ethnocentrism of the far-right was also rising.

    When it comes to threats, vandalism or actual acts of violence against persons, last year showed a reduction of antisemitic acts and a dramatic rise (+33,6%) of anti-muslim acts, but it is hard to know whether this rise came from an increase of islamophobic acts or from the fact that victimes come forth more easily today than in the past.

    So the last available data show no rise of antisemitism (at least in France, it might be another story in other countries) but a clear rise of the anti-muslim/anti-arabic animus fueled virtualy exclusively from the Right Wing of public opinion.

  18. clubroma says:

    Isreal is a country that rely’s on lies to maintain its exsistance. One of the biggest lies perpertrated by the state of Isreal is that jews are the only semites on this planet. Unfortunately, there are semites in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, there are even semites in Iraq. The term ‘anti-sematic’ is non-descriptive. You should use the term ‘anti-jewish’ or ‘anti-Isreal’ .

  19. It’s the same problem with the term ‘anti-American’. It’s usually used only to mean anti-USA, although there are Americans living all over the American continent.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “although there are Americans living all over the American continent.”

      There is no “American continent.” There are two continents, one named “North America” and one named “South America” (and there sub-continental cultural areas, such as “Central America” “Latin America”, etc.). Thus, a Canadian is not an “American” but is a “North American.”

      “American” (without the “North” or “South”) is merely a demonym for a citizen of the United States of America.

  20. One more comment on anti-Jewish sentiment and acts in Germany.

    The two violent attacks against Jews that come to my mind is a molotow cocktail thrown at the synagogue in Düsseldorf during the first intifada. The perpetrator was a young man from Algeria. The second incident was a couple of years ago in downtown Frankfurt. A young Arab man passed by a rabbi in orthodox attire and said something that the rabbi took for an insult. The rabbi grabbed the Arab by his jacket, he took out a knife and stabbed him. – There are probably more incidents that I am not aware of at the moment.

    Anyway, the neo-Nazi right is known for their racist anti-foreigner/Muslim rhethoric and actions, not verbal or physical attacks on Jews. In fact, the most outspoken anti-Muslems are some Jewish writers in Germany.

    What I mentioned in my first post on the matter is the creeping back of vile anti-Jewish language in school like ‘you gay Jew’ via students of Muslem background. They use this language among themselves to denigrade someone. This has been unheard of among German students.

    • Mooser says:

      “What I mentioned in my first post on the matter is the creeping back of vile anti-Jewish language in school like ‘you gay Jew’ via students of Muslem background. They use this language among themselves to denigrade someone. This has been unheard of among German students.”

      And we are gonna spend several million dollars on that tunneling machine! And this one works overtime, and works for strudel.

      “The two violent attacks against Jews that come to my mind…”

      And if it doesn’t come to your mind, does it exist? Gotta say, Prof, you got that Naturphilosophie, down pat.

  21. Theo says:

    Since arabs, assyrers, ethyopians and a slew of other small groups of nationalities in the ME are also semites, the jews amount to about 5% of the semitic populations, therefore they using the anti-semite expression only for their own use is more than just misleading.

    If we consider that the majority of the ashkenazy jews originating from Europe, the ruling class in Israel, are not semites, but converted khasars, a turk folk, than the expression “anti-semite” really cannot be used by the american jews, because they are not semites, but turks and other european converts.
    This should be pointed out more often.

    • That’s bullshit: anti-semite is a term that the anti-Jew biggots themselves chosed to use during the 19th because they believed it sounded smart. You’re not going to tell that racism is a word not to be used simply because modern biology shows that the notion of different human races does not hold water.

      • You’re not going to tell that racism is a word not to be used simply because modern biology shows that the notion of different human races does not hold water.

        actually, the word racism is a very good word and seems to work well for everyone. i assume you have no problem with it either?

        i am aware anti semitism is a word/phrase chosen by bigots. i am just wondering why you think it is there is such an attachment to it? why can everyone else share a word that has the same meaning across the board and jewish people are attached to ‘owning’ a word/phrase that literally means something quite different? why the attachment to a word invented by a bigot that means against semite people? what if a person (a bigot) was actually against semite people? the way (for example) many bigoted jews (as well as other bigoted people) are against many semite arabs? well, the word is already ‘owned’ so therefore it is ‘off the market’ to describe the many bigoted people who are against (anti) semites (literally “anti” “semite”). what would be so wrong about calling bigoted people who are anti jewish plain old racists?

        why is it you are so attached to a word/phrase invented by a bigoted person who is anti jewish?

        • Theo says:

          Thank you Annie for clearing up the fog.
          I would prefer if people would be anti-jewish, anti-arab or anti Israel.
          Lumping all into one leaves much to be desired.

          Are the zionist who hate arabs anti-semites? If not, why, arabs are semitic?
          Are anti-zionist jews also anti-semites? What kind of answer would pass to this question?

        • why you think it is there is such an attachment to it?

          Because it’s a useful term: antisemite is an efficient way to quickly describe someone who tries to justify his animus toward Jews by proclaiming them a ethnically monolithic perfidious über-tribalistic group, reality be damned.

        • tree says:

          antisemite is an efficient way to quickly describe someone who tries to justify his animus toward Jews

          “Anti-Jewish” is just as quick or quicker and doesn’t lead to misunderstandings about whom one is referring to. And the “attachment” seems to come, not from anti-semites, but from others who seem to think that only Jews can suffer from “anti-semitism” when that prejudice is based on an attitude of superiority towards all Semites. If prejudice towards Jews deserves its own special word ( and I doubt it should, anymore than any other ethnic or religious prejudice should), then the word should most clearly refer only to Jews.

        • Mooser says:

          “an ethnically monolithic perfidious über-tribalistic group, reality be damned.”

          Are you talking about the Zionist conceptions of Jews? Isn’t it wonderful how a completely spurious pseudo-linguistic distinction like “Semitic” is so useful for so many people?

        • antisemite is an efficient way to quickly describe someone who tries to justify his animus toward Jews

          no more efficient than saying anti jewish, in fact much less efficient than saying anti jewish. the only ‘advantage’ the term holds, if used exclusively for jews, it is eliminates it’s usage for all semites thereby wiping out a very good term that perfectly describes an aversion to arabs. which is probably the reason why there is such hostile pushback against opening up the term.

          btw laurent, you still never explained why you chose to switch it out for the term racism in your earlier analogy:

          You’re not going to tell that racism is a word not to be used simply because modern biology shows that the notion of different human races does not hold water.

          there is no comparison, the word racism applies to all races and ethnicities.

        • dahoit says:

          Of course,the reality is how did such a minute part of humanity have such a powerful control of the rest of us?(and yes,the pen is mightier than the sword,especially when the pen is monolithic.)
          The blowback is just beginning,and until the Zionists relinquish this power,and seek peace,justice and understanding,among all,as human fellow travelers,I see danger and trauma ahead,sorry.

      • Theo says:


        Your comment would pass very well to the Dersh.
        He calls everyone a biggot who ever dares to voice anything not to his liking.

      • tree says:

        That’s bullshit: anti-semite is a term that the anti-Jew biggots themselves chosed to use during the 19th because they believed it sounded smart.

        Actually, “anti-semite” was a word chosen because it implied that Jews were not of Europe, but rather Middle Eastern, and foreign or alien to Europe. If someone had decided that Jews were “negroid” and he were to use the term “anti-negroid” to describe himself, we would understand that the term was just as deprecating to other “negroids” as it is to Jews. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the point of using the term “anti-semitic” was originally intended to put Jews in the same supposed inferior class that the European bigots put other Middle Easterners(Arabs)?

        • Mooser says:

          “the point of using the term “anti-semitic” was originally intended to put Jews in the same supposed inferior class that the European bigots put other Middle Easterners(Arabs)?”

          Ha,ha turns out the joke’s on them! That’ll show ‘em. I guess we made Middle Easterners out of ourselves with a vengeance, to an extent they could never imagine!

        • while zionists argue long and loud that “antisemite” was the invention of Wilhelm Marr in the late 1800s and applied solely to Jews, according to Princeton prof. Teofilo Ruiz, the term had been used by the 16th century to refer to Muslims AND Jews of Iberia.

        • dahoit says:

          I always thought it was a scientific term for related language groupings.
          And aren’t Jews Middle Eastern in origin?Isn’t that what everything about the Jews returning to Israel is about?And one would think the failure of Jews to relate to their fellow ethnic or linguistic travelers the PALS! as the height of bigotry,hey but what does this unlearned and unwashed mostly European bigot know?
          European bigots with the temerity to say,unlike Zionist bigots,that all men are equal(in theory at least),so who are the real unenlightened?
          It’s starting to get like a comic book.

    • Mooser says:

      “If we consider that the majority of the ashkenazy jews originating from Europe, the ruling class in Israel, are not semites, but converted khasars

      Wow, an event like that,(the mass conversion of the Khasars) and it’s consequences, which affected the entire sociological and religious face of Europe and Near Asia ought to be one which is well and undeniably chronicled by many histories. Certainly no citation is needed for a fact so obvious. Thanks for not burdening us with any.

      • piotr says:

        Archives of Khazar khans did not survive but chronicles have reports of travelers.

        Quite importantly, a group survives that has all traits that Khazar descendants should have: non-Rabinical Judaism and Turkic dialect as their language. The Karaim. In Crimea, Tatars were referring to “Jews with peyots”, i.e. Ashkenazi, and “Jews without peyots”, the Karaim.

        The problem is not that Khazars did not convert to Judaism: most probably they did, or at least part of them. The problem with the theory that they are ancestors of Ashkenazi postulates that Turkic speaking populations near shores of Black Sea suddenly converted to speaking a German dialect. And pretty close to contemporary German, as opposed to Gothic. It is possible that some Karaims were accepted by much larger Ashkenazi community.

        • Blake says:

          “REMARKABLY, the Khazars, a people of Turkic origin, converted to the Jewish religion sometime in the 9th century, beginning with the royal house and spreading gradually among the general populace. Judaism is now known to have been more widespread among the Khazar inhabitants of the Khazar kingdom than was previously thought. In 1999, Russian archaeologists announced that they had successfully reconstructed a Khazarian vessel from the Don River region, revealing 4 inscriptions of the word “Israel” in Hebrew lettering. It is now the accepted opinion among most scholars in the field that the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism was widespread, and not limited merely to the royal house and nobility. Ibn al-Faqih, in fact, wrote “All of the Khazars are Jews.” Christian of Stavelot wrote in 864 that “all of them profess the Jewish faith in its entirety”. – World Zionist Org [WZO] website.

          Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe.

      • At some point, one would be excused to wonder how obsessing over the meaning of antisemitism and/or whether the ancestors of Ashkenazi did at some point enjoy to add yogurt sauce to their grilled beacon has anything to do with far-right israeli politicians making unsubstantiated claims about the situation of french Jews.

      • Theo says:

        I would like to add the following:
        Zionists fight this truth with all might, because how can you make the tribe to stick together when they do not belong to the same group of humans.
        You cannot say anti-semitic, but must say anti-turk, in which case a lot of other turks may get upset.

        • Theo says:


          Above text was the second part of an answer to Mooser, you deleted the first part. Standing alone this doesn´t make any sense, so might as well delete this, too.

          Are you acting as a firewall for Mooser? It seems everytime I reply to his sarcastic remarks, you just delete my comment.
          Talking about censorship.

  22. Theo says:

    The situation in Germany.

    Those right wing attacks are almost always against the turks and arab immigrants, I have never heard of one against jews.
    There are about 4.5 million moslems in Germany and around 200,000 jews.
    Yet, when a jewish community wants to build a new synagoge, they get the choiciest place to build it. The moslems usually must built their praying houses in the industrial section of the town.
    When a new synagoge is opened, a great delegation of top politicians show up, in Munich even Angela Merkel, however, when the moslems open their moshee, usually not even the local mayer is present.

    That is not what I call anti-semitism.

  23. Youths reciting anti-Semitic slogans attack Jewish boy near Paris school.

    Boy, 12, beaten near city’s Ozar Hatorah school, part of the same educational network of the Toulouse school which served as the scene of a deadly shooting attack last week.

    Thanks a lot Alex.

    • Mooser says:

      proud zionist, for some reason I can’t imagine, the link to that line: “Boy, 12, beaten near city’s…/… shooting attack last week.” didn’t take. Please try again.

    • A crime has a perpetrator, a victim and a motive. Be it Osama’s attack on the World Trade Center or an attack on Jewish school children or a synagogue in Germany. The perpetrators are Arabs and the motive stems from Israeli politics.

      Of course one should say to the Arabs: ‘You should take another strategy – non violent protest – to attack Israeli politics.’ But I’m not in their shoes.

      • dahoit says:

        Please sir,inform the FBI of your evidence;They have none at this time to tie OBL to that dirty deed.
        Funny dat.
        The age of Bullsh*t continues unabated,undeterred,and green lighted by propagandists everywhere in the misdeveloped world.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      That is a shame that happened, pudfascist. Thankfully the boy was not hurt.

      Interesting that every day, Kate posts stories where things much, much worse than what happened to this kid happens to Palestinians at the hand of Jews or the so-called Jewish state, based on typical zionist bigotry. Where’s your concern then? Where’s your comments? Where’s your expression of outrage? Where’s your snarky little asides?

      Or is it the end of the world when someone calls a Jewish kid a name and punches him in the back of the head, but a nothing when the “Jewish state” runs hundreds of people out of their homes, destroys their villages and their lives?

      Funny how your sense of right and wrong is so tuned to the ethno-religious make up of the people involved…

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        My mistake. I misspoke when I said that the “Jewish state” was running hundreds of people out of their homes and destroying their lives. I was wrong. The Israelis are running 30,000 people off their land.

        Thirty-thousand people.

        But what is that trifling little thing, compared to the fact that a French Jewish kid got into a fight after school.

    • Bumblebye says:

      pz, at least in Europe hate crimes get punished (just had a 21yr old student jailed for 56days for a racist tweet sent about Fabrice Muamba the day he was felled by a heart attack on the field). On the very few occasions the Israeli police turn up to ahem, ‘investigate’ such crimes against Palestinians, they probably shake the culprits hands before leaving and telling the victims they couldn’t find them. For such a tiddly country, including its stolen lands, I expect their crimes per annum far outnumber all of Western Europe’s put together.

  24. Back to Alex Kane’s point: Israel using the Toulouse killings to say ‘return’.
    The International Herald Tribune had an article about a ‘silent march’ in Paris on the day after the shootings. It said that more than 5 000 people had gathered to march from the Place de la Republique to the Place de la Bastille. And it said that many marchers were waving French and Israeli flags. – Why Israeli flags? That’ s Alex point.

  25. kamanja says:

    It’s not that virulent anti-Jewish sentiment doesn’t exist in Europe (it does, it always has, European governments themselves admit it, ignorant attempts to minimize it only help cloud the picture) so much as Israel’s use of it to justify its calls for Europe’s Jews to come to Israel freely and makes that possible by infringing Palestinian rights – to put it mildly. Plus the fact that it does so by courting the very societal elements where anti-semitism, Jew-hatred, call it what you will, is traditionally found, to direct it against Muslim immigrants. Anne Karpf pointed out how mutually beneficial this is, as well as how dangerous, in a CIF piece earlier this week:

    “On Saturday, in the Danish city of Aarhus, a Europe-wide rally organised by the English Defence League will try to set up a European anti-Muslim movement. For Europe’s far-right parties the rally, coming so soon after the murders in south-west France by a self-professed al-Qaida-following Muslim, marks a moment rich with potential political capital.
    Yet it’s also a delicate one, especially for Marine Le Pen. Well before the killings, Le Pen was assiduously courting Jews, even while her father and founder of the National Front, Jean-Marie Le Pen, was last month convicted of contesting crimes against humanity for saying that the Nazi occupation of France “wasn’t particularly inhumane”.”

    Karpf goes on to look at the rise of similar parties in other parts of Europe, all of which suddenly see Jews as European because the electorate is currently more panicked by Muslim immigration.

    “Indeed you can blithely sign up to both antisemitism and philozionism. Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik described himself as “pro-Zionist” while claiming that Europe has a “considerable Jewish problem”; he saw himself as simultaneously anti-Nazi and pro-monoculturalism. The British National party’s Nick Griffin once called the Holocaust the “Holohoax”, subsequently supported Israel in its war “against the terrorists”, but the day after the Oslo murders tweeted disparagingly that Breivik was a “Zionist”.”

    Read Europe’s Racists are not Discerning @ link to
    (The ME’s racists are no more discerning, btw.)

  26. Cliff says:


    Yes. Every single day, Kate and others document the daily, mundane (banality of evil), and common-place attacks on Palestinians by Jewish fundamentalists. But our Zionist short-bus crew do not rant and rave about them as if the world is coming to an end.

    Not that we should expect anything more of these people. They don’t consider non-Jews to be human beings. Just obstacles and obstructions to Zionism.

  27. It’s not that virulent anti-Jewish sentiment doesn’t exist in Europe [...] so much as Israel’s use of it to justify its calls for Europe’s Jews to come to Israel freely

    Note that when israeli politicians are calling european Jews to come to Israel, they do not merely say accurate things like “Anti-semitism still exists in Europe”: they either implies or openly state that the situation of european Jews is as bad, or about to become as bad, as it was in the 1930s. Or, as I stated much earlier, before the “Whaaaaaaaa, anti-semitism should not be used because not all Jews are Semites and all Semites are not Jews” kerfuffle, studies about it have been made and show otherwise.

    Anyway, the article, while good, underestimate the level of cynicism on the far-right’s side: for instance, in the 70′s François Duprat (Le Pen senior’s gray eminence) himself a raving antisemitic holocaust denier, was among the first to devise what would become the MO of European far-right parties: using anti-immigrant rhetoric as a tool to gain enough vote to attain power, and once there, use the firepower of the state against Jews as well as against immigrants.
    The problem was that -at first-, part of the rank-and-file of the far-right refused to stop expressing their hatred of Jews, it seems they were either too limited -or too bloodthirsty- to even play pretend (a question that every politically-savvy asks at least once is whether Le Pen senior’s anti-semitic provocation are the result of a lack of self-control on his part or a way for him to keep the morons in line). But after several decades, of trying to teach the same trick to their troops, european far-right leaders were moderatly succesful and their troops became more skilled at hidding their intents.

    • kamanja says:

      This is further complicated by the segment of Jew-haters that plights its troth with the Palestinian struggle. For that exists too. It would be less of a cause for concern if certain ME supporters of the Palestinian struggle as well as some Palestinians themselves did not sometimes allow such theories to fuel anger with Israel (which is justified without needing to resort to frills) which then taint and hamstring the Palestinian struggle in the eyes of the world.

      • Cliff says:

        What the hell are you talking about?

        • kamanja says:

          Garaudy and Faurisson worship, to name but a couple. Not in the mood for giving any more of them publicity, but some swallow it lock stock and barrel.

        • cliff, he’s so creative isn’t he. especially:

          which then taint and hamstring the Palestinian struggle in the eyes of the world

          he wishes i am sure. only hitch is the palestinian struggle, in the eyes of the world, is not hamstrung. it’s taking off and no amount of silly hasbrats clutching onto the hate crutch can hold it back.

          they’re pathetic in their transparency aren’t they?

        • kamanja says:

          And people here are pathetic in their predictability Annie. The equivalent of the old reds under the bed. I’m neither a he nor a hasbaroonie. It’s my explanation for why the world isn’t outraged by what is happening to Palestinians in Israel and the OT. Please supply a better alternative if you have one. I’ll be happy to cede the argument.

        • It’s my explanation for why the world isn’t outraged by what is happening to Palestinians

          uh huh, wake up, this is the fastest growing movement on campuses all across the country and internationally it is soaring, there’s no stopping us now so hold onto your hat because the wind is on our backs!

      • The “segment of Jew-haters” of old is negligible. Much more important are the philo-Semitic friends of Israel who “plight their troth” with Israel’s struggle. In Germany this stems from a feeling of historic guilt and misconception of who today’s Israelis are. People I talk to think Israel’s population is mainly made up of WW II refugees and their decendents. How could Germany abandon them? We have to side with them.

        • kamanja says:

          “The “segment of Jew-haters” of old is negligible.” – Klaus Boemker

          1) They still manage to make a buck in some parts of the world on that ticket.
          2) In Europe they aren’t particularly negligible.

          That is not to say there’s a danger of genocide, only that they are there and for the moment some of them have hatred of Muslims and people of color as a distraction and profess therefore to be judophiles while others are faithful their hatred of Jews and sometimes profess to be Palestinianophiles.

          Re Germany, I agree, but it’s only natural given the circumstances. Germany fears itself. Incidentally, people often forget that the Jews of North Africa, many of whom live in Israel and France, lived precariously under a Vichy government during WWII, even though most of them are, as you say, not WWII refugees.

        • The “segment of Jew-haters” of old is negligible

          On the contrary: the great majority of antisemites still come from this section, except that as explained in the Guardian article, today, they disguise themselves as «philo-Semitic friends of Israel who “plight their troth” with Israel’s struggle», the far-right activists and politicians -as well as the core of their voting block- who claim to looooooooove Israel still hate Jews, but they have, by “pragmatism” decided to hide their animosity, for now. The difference between the fake friends of Israel and the fake friend of Palestinians is purely cosmetic

        • kamanja says:

          I wasn’t trying to impress anyone, Annie, or to sell myself as a poet. It was an attempt to say things as they are instead of dressing them up in their usual anti and phobe uniforms.

        • kamanja says:

          “The difference between the fake friends of Israel and the fake friend of Palestinians is purely cosmetic”
          Absolutely, Laurent.

        • i’m just wondering why the fixation on ‘fake friends’ wrt palestine kamanja? you assert ‘the world isn’t outraged by what is happening to Palestinians’ when clearly the movement has grown by leaps and bounds over the last decade and for some reason you choose to focus on a part of the movement that is decidedly negligible. why? how much of this movement would you claim as being ‘fake’? this part you claim “plights its troth”. seriously? why the focus. you don’t really think most people will look at this murder and associate it with the overwhelming vast majority of the movement for a free palestine. or do you?

        • Chu says:

          Laurent, you’re referring to Geert Wilder and that sort of phony philo-semite? Can you provide the Guardian link?

        • not sure about that ‘purely cosmetic’. it doesn’t reflect the overwhelming gap between media access of israel’s ‘friends’ who’ve exposed themselves time and again as racists. plenty examples of that right here.

          perhaps you could give us some examples of high profile names in our movement, those who support palestine with the kind of access displayed below:

          1. Abraham Foxman 2. Alan Dershowitz 3. Ari Fleischer 4. Benjamin Netanyahu 5. Brad Sherman 6. Bret Stephens 7. Caroline Glick 8. Charles Krauthammer 9. Chuck Schumer 10. Dan Senor 11. Daniel Pipes 12. David Frum 13. David Horowitz 14. David Makovsky 15. Debbie Schlussel 16. Dennis Prager 17. Dennis Ross 18. Dick Morris 19. Douglas Feith 20. Ed Koch 21. Elliott Abrams 22. Gary Ackerman 23. Haim Saban 24. Howard Berman 25. Irving Kristol 26. Jamie Kirchick 27. Jeffrey Goldberg 28. Jennifer Rubin 29. Joe Lieberman 30. John Podhoretz 31. Jonah Goldberg 32. Joshua Muravchik 33. Lanny Davis 34. Lee Smith 35. Leon Wieseltier 36. Malcolm Hoenlein 37. Martin Peretz 38. Max Boot 39. Meyrav Wurmser 40. Michael Ledeen 41. Michael Medved 42. Mona Charen 43. Mort Zuckerman 44. Norman Podhoretz 45. Pamela Geller 46. Rachel Abrams 47. Reuel Marc Gerecht 48. Richard Perle 49. Steve Emerson 50. William Kristol

        • I agree with both of you on the ‘fake’ solidarity. But is it a relevant quantity? The relevant question is this:

          Who’s struggle is more legitimate? Israel’s for their ‘biblical and historical’ rights, including ‘Judea and Samaria’ or the Palestinian one?

          Israel constantly worries about being ‘delegitimized’. Now their last resort seems to be to point their finger at the ‘Jew-haters’ of old to delegitimize the Palestinien claims.

        • kamanja says:

          Fake friends was not my expression and pointing out something that is there but not always included in the picture is not a fixation. If I have a fixation it is the serial abuse of a defenseless population, not “the movement” whatever that is. Even so, I never claimed that was fake either. Check it out.

          I posted a link to Anne Karpf’s article in response to the “false specter” claim in the title of the piece we’re commenting on: the Toulouse killings. She described most of the picture, I added something she didn’t say because it has crossed my path.

          Phil Weiss, today, on the subject of Beinart: “I’ve spent enough time moderating comments at this site to know that such explorations can give rise to vicious anti-Semitism. ” link to

          Why, in order to utterly condemn the Israeli government’s scaremongering, the purpose of which is to panic as many Jews as possible into emigrating to Israel for demographic purposes, does one have to pretend (fake) that Jew-hatred is negligible, a “false specter”? It isn’t.

        • kamanja says:

          Annie, I’m not American. You are talking about American access. Actually we’re both talking at cross-purposes. Toulouse is in Europe.

        • Laurent, you’re referring to Geert Wilder and that sort of phony philo-semite?

          Why, yes

          Can you provide the Guardian link?

          The link was already provided earlier, but here:

          link to

        • Chu says:

          Thanks. These people are no better than Pastor John Hagee and his support for Israel. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

        • ok…i think do not think racism is fake or negligible, and i think it really exists. i thought you were saying there were people in the movement (the movement to free palestine) who were fake, not really friends of palestine, and only in it because of racism against jews who “plight its troth with the Palestinian struggle” to the point of ‘tainting and hamstring the Palestinian struggle in the eyes of the world’. this seemed to me to indicate the impact is not negligible but a predominant feature. perhaps i misunderstood you, if that is the case i apologize.

        • kamanja says:

          That’s too convoluted, Annie. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say but I accept your apology and I apologize if I offended anyone.

        • kamanja says:

          “this seemed to me to indicate the impact is not negligible but a predominant feature”
          Annie, “not negligible” doesn’t equal predominant, no way. What I meant is that it’s out there too, a reality among other realities to be considered. So yes, you did misunderstand me.

        • dahoit says:

          Israel’s struggle?What struggle are you talking about?Their struggle to deny to others what they want for themselves?

        • dahoit says:

          Is this called find the hidden goyim?#35 Lee Smith?Nah,fooled again.

        • “not negligible” doesn’t equal predominant, no way. What I meant is that it’s out there too, a reality among other realities to be considered. So yes, you did misunderstand me.

          got it, no need for more explanation. in kamanjaspeak “ taint and hamstring the Palestinian struggle in the eyes of the world” ain’t a predominant feature.

          Fake friends was not my expression

          i know, i mistook your “Absolutely, Laurent.” as an approval of that term. more misunderstanding on my part, no doubt.

      • American says:

        “kamanja says:
        March 30, 2012 at 9:15 am
        This is further complicated by the segment of Jew-haters that plights its troth with the Palestinian struggle.”

        Name some ‘Jew haters” that are plighting their troth with the Palestines. If there are any Stormfronters and neo nazis ( in the US at least) involved with Palestine activism I haven’t seen them mentioned.
        But I will hold my nose and go look at Duke’s site and see what they are saying or doing about Palestine if anything. Something tells me they are much too busy with Jews,Muslims, Blacks, etc. in the US to care about Palestine.

        • kamanja says:

          Will Faurisson do you, American? I don’t want to dignify any more of the well-known ones.

        • American says:

          Well, that was interesting. I went to Storm front and put Palestine in their search function. Several articles and threads came up but the following represents the gist:

          Re: MEDIA RELEASE — National Socialists Recognize Palestinian State

          Three cheers for Matt Koehl and the World Union of National Socialists taking the lead in this important issue of the day!

          Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian National Authority has shown great political adroitness and personal courage in forcing this issue. It really puts the Jews and their US lackies on the spot. The vast majority of member-states of the United Nations support Palestian statehood. Some of these states have already recognized Palestinan independence.”
          It is good for National-Socialists and White Nationalists to take a formal stand on this question”

          (typical comments on the thread:)

          #”"I’m sorry they did that.
          Muslims ARE NOT OUR ALLIES”"

          #Well, to start with, not all Palestinans are Muslims: about 20 percent are Christian.

          #”But more importantly, we want the same thing for our country as they want for theirs: FREEDOM FROM DOMINATION BY THE JEWS!

          #”"Whether they are our allies or not, we face a common enemy!”
          “There are white Palestinians. Yes, very few of them. But they are there. The media hides them. If they are in a crowd that appears on TV. You have to look closely and keep in mind-that a good amount of them have tans because of the climate.
          Study facial shapes; it will help you in the end of see who is white or not. Because I met whites who tanned ssoo dark that I thought their weren’t white!

          #I support them.
          It’s a first step to making Israel weaker!”"

          Obviously they consider the Palestines no beter than the Jews but are cheering on the fall of Israel because it is Jewish.
          What struck me though was the site had a slightly more sophisticated political ‘veneer’ than I expected…trying to present itself as more about politics than race…you have to read the comments section to see the racism. I also got the impression that the election of Obama, a back man, their biggest horror, might have inspired them to give themselves a more political flavor to attract more whites.
          Another thing I noticed was a listing of sites and links to dozens of other White supremist groups in Europe on the site. One to the articles of the Norway guy that Pamler Geller and her crowd also supported.

          And in googling around I saw this:

          link to
          White Supremacist Stampede
          Jul 4, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
          A startling number of white-power candidates are seeking public office. Eve Conant reports on their under-the-radar strategy

          I don’t know how much the rise of ‘ethnic nationalism’ around the world may be being hyped, but we may be underestimating the growth and potential danger of it.

        • i have never heard of will faurisson until this thread. is he some kind of leader in the movement.

        • kamanja says:

          His first name is Robert, Annie.

        • American says:

          Neither have I, who is he?

        • American says:

          Here is Faurisson from wiki. He’s 80 years old so I doubt he’s very active.

          Faurisson was fined by a French court in 1983, for having declared that “Hitler never ordered nor permitted that anyone be killed by reason of his race or religion.”[1][5][6]

          Further controversy was sparked when one of Faurisson’s revisionist works was published with an introduction by Noam Chomsky. It turned out that the Chomsky piece was not written to be used as an introduction, although Chomsky had authorized its use to defend Faurisson in a different context. Chomsky’s piece was a general defense of freedom of speech, including Faurisson’s. Chomsky stated that he had “no evidence to support [the] conclusion” that Faurisson was antisemitic. Chomsky was accused of supporting Faurisson’s views, rather than merely defending his right to speech, which Chomsky denied. Noting that he had described the Holocaust as “the most fantastic outburst of collective insanity in human history”, Chomsky answered that his views were “diametrically opposed” to those of Faurisson on the subject.[2][7]

          In September 1989, Faurisson was beaten severely by unknown assailants who called themselves “The Sons of the Memory of the Jews”. This is an organization about whom nothing is known, either before or since the incident.[1]

          I still say it is ridiculous to lock up people for questioning aspects of the holocaust. I think it arouses resentment in people who don’t even care to question it or ever even thought of questioning it simply because of the assualt on someone’s freedom of speech and right to hold any opinion no matter how outlandish.

        • - “I still say it’s ridiculous to lock up people for questioning aspects of the holocaust” – American

          One note: I trust American and British historien’s depiction and conclusions about the holocaust much more than Germans’ – precisely because they don’t face legal problems if they would say otherwise.

          As a general rule: How can I believe someone who says ‘A’ when I know that he will be put in jail if he said ‘B’ .

        • kamanja says:

          My point was not whether these people should be locked up or not, it is whether the views of pro-Palestinians like these, some of whom have been to the region on lecture tours and acclaimed, should be associated with the Palestinian struggle. Whether “without Jews there is no Zionism” is likely to be helpful or harmful, a focus or a damaging distraction. Racism is not a false specter. Not in Europe, not anywhere.

        • Cliff says:

          Who are these pro-Palestinian figures who espouse the views you have been going on and on about?

          They have been on the lecture circuit? List them please. I suppose Gilad Aztmon is one example but he is has been rejected by well-known intellectuals who have a long track record of supporting the Palestinian struggle.

          If you can’t break 5, then you’re wasting everyone’s time.

          Israel and Zionism is supported, in the mainstream, by lunatics and Islamophobes. To a much higher degree than what you are suggesting occurs in the Palestinian solidarity movement.

          For the simple reason that Zionism is considered a legitimate political movement. Solidarity with Palestinians is still a taboo in spite of whatever victories have been had.

          In the 1980s, Reagan era policy was outlined in a document called, ‘The Santa Fe document’ – which called for ideological warfare to be waged in Latin America. The Reagan admin. and the Right’s intellectual base sought to counter Christian liberation theology with Christian evangelicalism.

          These people are extremists but they are allowed to legitimately participate in the political process. Their ideas are absurd but they get plenty of airtime.

          That is a real example of extremists hijacking a movement (well in this case, usurping a movement to represent the ‘true’ Christianity).

          The notion that the Palestinian solidarity movement is being hijacked by extremists like Faurrisan (who is a dinosaur) is f-ing stupid.

          I don’t know what the hell you’re going on about.

        • “Racism isn’t a false specter” – kamanja

          Yes, but it is primarily the racism of the mainstream/rightwing Israeli Jews that is the real specter .

        • dahoit says:

          Ha ha ha ha ha ha ……..I guess you like that one note neh?

        • If you can’t break 5, then you’re wasting everyone’s time.

          cliff, so far they have mentioned one guy whom i have never heard of til this thread. it’s hard to imagine how the Palestinian struggle is tainted and hamstrung the in the eyes of the world by a bunch of characters nobody’s ever heard of. whatever.

          it’s not like any ol day of the week we’ve got characters supporting palestine saying stuff like the Head of Bill Kristol’s lobby group. link to there’s no real equivalence to the Emergency Committee for Israel on our team. basically i think what we have here is a point scoring technique via what the hasbara handbook calls false equivalency, but i’d have to check my notes on that. basically it’s a ‘both sides’ argument, when any bystander can see one side is ethnic cleansers the other side the oppressed. whole other ballgame really.

  28. Let me tell you what the head of the ‘Central Commitee of Jews in Germany’ had to say on the matter of Israel and Germany being safe from militant Arab attacks (Dieter Graumann in Süddeutsche Zeitung, Munich, 6/20/2011):

    He says, we Germans can sit quietly in a bar or cafe and don’t have to worry to send our kids by bus to school … “Yes, we are lucky. But we forget that this happy situation is defended by this small state [Israel] too, in its daily struggle against the forces that want to deprive us of our happyness.”
    You see, if it weren’t for Israel fighting all these militant Arab Palestinians and keeping them in check — they would come here and blow up our cafes and school buses.

  29. Cliff says:

    As usual there is no comparison between Israel and Palestine. In this regard, it’s he issue of agent provacateurs.

    Look at the list of Zionists that Annie posted and count how many are part of the Zionist mainstream and are also virulent Islamophobes and anti-Arab racists.

    Compare that to a list of mainstream Palestinian solidarity activists and intellectuals.

  30. Theo says:


    BS, BS and more BS!!!

    If germans would be sitting in cafes in France, Holland or Greece, territories they once occupied, as occupiers subjugating the local population, then you can bet your last wiener schnitzel that they would have to worry about bombs, just like the israelis do!!

    If the jews did go to Palestina as friendly immigrants, trying to establish a Palestina for all, without killing and driving local people off their land, then they could sit in their cafes just as peacefully as german tourists do in above mentioned countries.
    However, they came as occupiers and conquerors, therefore they will never enjoy real peace until they leave the palestinian lands, return stolen properties and get of the high horse. Sooner or later they will pay for their crimes, just as the germans did.

    All Germany has to do is to stop being a special friend to Israel do not send weapons that kill Palestinians, and they would never bother you. Remember, the friend of my enemy is also an enemy of mine!!!
    I read a major german newspaper on a daily base and it seems the reduction sits in Tel Aviv, they rarely mention the plight of the palestinian people or it is so hidden that you will not find it.
    On the other hand, anything about Israel comes on the first or second page, so you cannot miss it.