Israeli police spokesperson Micky Rosenfeld: ‘If they dare to strike Tel Aviv… we’ll wipe the whole place out’

There is a famous knoll outside Sderot in southern Israel where reporters and other spectators of war gather to watch Israeli operations against Gaza—“we want to see fireworks,” as one young man explained this afternoon– and we had been there only ten minutes when Micky Rosenfeld, an Israeli police spokesperson on security matters, arrived with a colleague.

“There’s a strike, check it out,” he said proudly as a plume of smoke rose from Gaza City. “You can see it well in the setting sun.”

Around us, photographers balanced long telephoto lenses on knees or tripods to make the golden shot of destruction about a dozen miles away. Four men seated under a fir tree guzzled bottles of beer.

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Philip Weiss (left) and Allison Deger (right) speaking with
Micky Rosenfeld in Sderot overlooking Gaza.
(Photo: Scott Roth)

Then Rosenfeld spoke with controlled anger about a possible Israeli invasion of the strip if Gazan rocket attacks persist. “It won’t be for two days… It could be two weeks. It could be a month. It could be two months. It is not going to be like last time.”

And my colleague Allison Deger reports that when she asked Rosenfeld about Gaza hitting Tel Aviv with rockets, he was even more emphatic: “If they dare to strike Tel Aviv… we’ll wipe the whole place out.”

I pressed Rosenfeld about “last time.” Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009 devastated Gaza and was a debacle for Israel’s image. The country killed nearly 400 Palestinian children in under three weeks, the U.N. Human Rights Council’s Goldstone Report condemned Israel for likely war crimes, and many Americans turned away from the atrocities in disgust.

“Do you have any misgivings about Cast Lead?” I asked.

Rosenfeld brushed that aside. “That is what happened in the past… Operation Cast Lead was a different phase, a different period.” Gaza today is a different story. He spoke of new types of weapons coming in from Libya– “through Egypt”– shoulder-mounted missile launchers. “Much more sophisticated.”

But the essence of Israel’s problem with Gaza is exactly what it was four years ago: rocket fire.  When I quoted cynics saying that Netanyahu is pressing this attack for election campaign purposes, Rosenfeld said, “Absolutely not,” and went down a list of provocations. Will there be another ground invasion like Cast Lead? Rosenfeld issued a warning.

“It depends entirely if and how Hamas responds to the ongoing IDF operation.” If Hamas strikes Israel “in the heart of the home front,” Israel will continue the operation. So far Israel’s anti-missile system has taken out warheads that would have caused dozens of deaths in Beersheva, he said. The deeper the rockets go, the more devastating the Israeli response, to root out those firing the missiles. “All the options are on the table.”

I pointed out that public relations had to be a big part of the Israeli response, especially after the tragedy of Cast Lead. Today the Government’s Ministry of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs announced that it was mustering “25,000 activists” globally to explain Israel’s version of events, presumably on social media.

Standing on the hillside in a trig blue uniform and black rubbersoled shoes, Rosenfeld, 41, made the talking points clear. If Al Qaeda were firing rockets from Queens into Manhattan, the U.S. “would take down half of Queens without thinking about it.” Now compare such wholesale (and imaginary) destruction to the Israeli response: when a terrorist is pinned down in Gaza, said Rosenfeld, the decision whether to strike is deliberated 15 times over, and operations aborted because there are four women across the road…  (Well– that isn’t exactly the way things went “the last time.”)

One thing is clear from our trip down through the south, as Scott Roth’s tweets have already made clear: the Jewish Israeli public is behind the government. Several of the people we spoke to in towns threatened by rocket fire said they wanted to obliterate Gaza.

“Press Delete on Gaza,” said a 22-year-old man standing a few feet from Rosenfeld, awaiting more “fireworks.” (We’ll have more reports in days to come from Israelis in towns being struck by rocket fire.)

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  1. Avi_G. says:

    Standing on the hillside in a trig blue uniform and black rubbersoled shoes, Rosenfeld, 41, made the talking points clear. If Al Qaeda were firing rockets from Queens into Manhattan, the U.S. “would take down half of Queens without thinking about it.”

    These talking points rely on the news consumer being ignorant in order to believe this false parallel.

    For Israel, everything related to the Other exists in a vacuum; yesterday, last decade and last century are irrelevant, unless the subject is Jewish history and connection to the land. Then, all of a sudden, 2000 years become crucial to the narrative.

    Phil,

    Why didn’t you ask Rosenfeld about the 45-year-long occupation, and the various ceasefire violations Israel has committed to break truces? What about the siege?

    • Citizen says:

      It is pretty funny that the Zionists don’t care about the history of what negative things they’ve done at all, even anything recent and related to the issue at hand, but they will skip back to bible times to justify themselves in a heartbeat. This is a collective sociopathic pattern.

  2. lysias says:

    RT correspondent in Tel Aviv now reporting that a full-scale Israeli invasion of Gaza is possible.

  3. Sderot and the towns in the south are the human shields for Tel Aviv?

    Why isn’t “the whole place wiped out” for the sake of civilians anywhere in Israel?

    The moral argument failed decades ago. Maybe this is the time when the pragmatist’s argument unravels too.

  4. oh. so tragic. it’s hard to know what to say.

  5. yourstruly says:

    Will this turn out to be the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising revisited?

    with soldiers of the IDF filling in for those of Nazi Germany’s Wehrmacht

    their assignment, the liquidation of the ghetto’s (er, Gaza’s) Jewish (make that Palestinian) population -

    if so,

    Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto

    same place
    different time
    while the world stands by
    genocide*
    live

    *initially but no longer slow motion

  6. lysias says:

    Komodo on Craig Murray’s forum reports: “Israel TV stations are elsewhere reported as saying that the invasion will be tomorrow. Tickets are presumably being sold to the media. Who will not be going into Gaza. That would be too painful for the audience.”

    AP: Israel calls up reserves, warns of Gaza invasion:

    Late in the day, Israel signalled a ground operation may be imminent as forces moved toward the border area with Gaza. At least 12 trucks were seen transporting tanks and armoured personnel carriers, and a number of buses carrying soldiers arrived.

    Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said he had authorized the army to call-up additional reservists for possible action. The army said it was prepared to draft up to 30,000 additional troops.

    “I ordered the military today to widen the draft of reserve soldiers in order to be able to be ready for any development,” Barak said. Military officials said the moves were to prepare for the possibility of a ground invasion, but stressed no decision had been made. Israel TV stations, however, said a ground offensive was expected Friday.

    They can’t keep up that level of mobilization of reserves for long.

  7. Abdul-Rahman says:

    Palestinians are not “frightened” by the threats of criminals like Rosenfeld and his ilk, and the remarks of Rosenfeld are clearly those of a vicious cornered animal who realizes he has a tidal of humanity against him and his criminal associates even if his regime’s operatives and fifth-columnists in America (AIPAC) have control of the mainstream media. Even the American people are breaking free and opposing Zionist crimes, aside from a minority of actual Zionist psychopaths and those they have groomed as “allies” among the loony “end times” Hagee-type cults.

    And as for the quote “Today the Government’s Ministry of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs announced that it was mustering ’25,000 activists’ globally to explain Israel’s version of events, presumably on social media.” That is very telling that the Zionist colonizing, occupying, apartheid regime (which is of course based on fraud and lies to start with) has to resort to “mass organizing” its propaganda pawns who it clearly views as propaganda agents (otherwise known as Sayanim). Someone only has to do such pathetic actions when they have to lie (as Zionists always do) and thus have to rely on repeating those same Zionist lies over and over; rather than you know simply dealing in reality and the actual facts that the world can see plainly (and which is why the world supports Palestine).

    • amigo says:

      Mark Regev , “What Country would allow Hundreds of rockets blah blah blah?.

      What people would allow another people to steal their land and kick them out of their homes and not respond.

      Shut up Regev, you are a war criminal and the Hague awaits you.

  8. seafoid says:

    “It won’t be for two days… It could be two weeks. It could be a month. It could be two months. It is not going to be like last time”

    Of course it is. They always move in a triangle between their rage , international opinion and their fear of casualties.

    All those IDF soldiers who died defending Netzarim, which they were never going to relinquish. But they abandoned it just like Yamit. Because of the goys.

    The other angle of course is the complete failure of Dov Weisglass’s diet . It was supposed to topple Hamas. So was the Flotilla treatment.

    It is not going to be like last time. Cast Lead was initially a success.

  9. flyod says:

    Phil,
    Next time ask him if he ever heard of a village called Najd. Thanks for the report and be safe.

  10. seafoid says:

    “If Al Qaeda were firing rockets from Queens into Manhattan, the U.S. “would take down half of Queens without thinking about it.”

    Not any more. Say the Taliban were firing rockets into Kabul. The US Marines would be talking to them. Petraeus might even be shagging one of their women. But the scorched earth is a fantasy. The US has reached the limit of its military power but Israel hasn’t go to that point yet.

  11. lysias says:

    If rockets from Gaza can hit Tel Aviv, they can also hit Dimona.

    • talknic says:

      lysias November 15, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      “If rockets from Gaza can hit Tel Aviv, they can also hit Dimona”

      Gaza to TA outskirts 50 km

      Gaza to Dimona 68 km

      Fajr-3 rocket 48 – 50 km

  12. seafoid says:

    There is something about Phil Weiss being there now. Detached and fascinated and it’s really important to have someone who can interpret what is going and write about it. He knows the system is doomed but he always can go back to Gotham and write a book about it. He doesn’t have his back to a wall which will collapse .

    “I said pretend you’ve got no money, she just laughed and said oh you’re so funny.
    I said yeah? Well I can’t see anyone else smiling in here.
    Are you sure you want to live like common people
    You want to see whatever common people see
    You want to sleep with common people,
    you want to sleep with common people like me.
    But she didn’t understand, she just smiled and held my hand.
    Rent a flat above a shop, cut your hair and get a job.
    Smoke some fags and play some pool, pretend you never went to school.
    But still you’ll never get it right
    ‘cos when you’re laid in bed at night watching roaches climb the wall
    If you call your Dad he could stop it all.
    You’ll never live like common people
    You’ll never do what common people do
    You’ll never fail like common people”

    • Citizen says:

      @ seafoid
      Reminds me of Mitt’s response when a young college student told him his loan/financial plight: “Just ask your parents for a loan.” LOL (for some of us)

    • Mooser says:

      Gosh, seafoid, but this has been bothering me for two days. Whatever Phil’s faults, (and I should say he has any?, of course.) I can’t picture him as “detached” while reporting on this from the scenes. He may be trying to be somewhat detached for the sake of journalistic method. He may feel it’s necessary to appear somewhat detached in order to interview certain people (for instance, like an Israeli police spokesman) rather than have it devolve into an arguement or worse. But unless he’s been telling us a bunch of tall tales, I’m certain he’s not “detached”, and there will be in many ways, a personal cost, a spiritual wear-and-tear which won’t be trivial. But please, don’t tell him I said so.

      • seafoid says:

        It goes back to the joke about the difference between being involved and being committed.

        “The difference between the chicken and the hog on the bacon and eggs breakfast special is – the chicken is involved, whereas the hog is committed”.

        Israelis are the hog. I would say Phil is more like an egg supplier.

        It won’t be particularly pleasant for him to sit at that seder table in Year 0 and look at his relatives and say ‘I was right” but the shift will be much easier than for the poor shatnes technicians of Bnei Brak, I’m guessing.

  13. Rusty Pipes says:

    Phil, I’d be interested to hear whether you got any responses from Rosenfeld or others there about the PA UN bid and potential prosecutions in the ICC for war crimes. Does Rosenfeld think that the PA bid will influence any future plans for travel abroad?

    • seafoid says:

      Rusty- I imagine talking to Rosenfeld would be no different to engaging Hophmi in conversation. Any mention of the ICC would unleash a stream of consciousness covering antisemitism, the shoah and france for french people.

  14. Rusty Pipes says:

    Here’s a possible youtube spot that might be just the thing for those public diplomacy efforts:

    Clip of guy on Sderot hill: “I came to see the fireworks.”

    (Cue the American National Anthem)

    Cut back and forth between American fireworks displays on the 4th and picnicing with white phosphorus over Gaza and destruction of Cast Lead.

    end with “American fireworks display brought to you courtesy of Bibi Netanyahu. Don’t forget to vote in January.”

    • yourstruly says:

      likewise for the celebrations that occurred when Osama bin Laden was assassinated, instead of his being captured and brought to trial in the u.s. of a. (assuming the pakistan government would have given the obama administration the go-ahead). But then, what sort of world, without war & related violence?

  15. Antidote says:

    “if they’ll dare to strike the US, we’ll wipe the whole place out”

    I would just like to express my utter contempt for any American, Jew or Gentile, who sheds crocodile tears for the victims of Israeli retaliation in Gaza, and points fingers at the untermenschen in Israel.

    3000 completely innocent victims of a completely unprovoked attack on the WTC and the Pentagon, universally known as symbols of freedom and democracy, on 9/11. How horrible! How unprovoked! How inhuman! Arabs are barbarians, obviously. A bunch of terrorists.

    “They hate us for our freedom” George W. Bush, 2001

  16. Man projects usually in the immediate context. But Israel is a different beast . It issues prophecy and always about its own future behaviors taking the format of a projection. After accusing Iran of the comment-”wipe off the face of the earth” , it has decided to wipe out the whole place known as Gaza if Gazan did certain things though those very certain things have been practiced by Israeli on Iran continuously for some time. This will not be the first time. The projection started with their founding figures.

  17. kalithea says:

    “One thing is clear from our trip down through the south, as Scott Roth’s tweets have already made clear: the Jewish Israeli public is behind the government.”

    Like this is a surprise…NOT. How does it feel knowing this is the clan you belong to? I know it would sicken me to the core.

    • Citizen says:

      Yet they cannot see they differ not from KKK rednecks in the old South. PEP liberals are the blindest of all, eh? I mean, they really have to work at being so blind.

    • Mooser says:

      “How does it feel knowing this is the clan you belong to?”

      Kalithea, please give us a little credit for bureaucratic efficiency, okay? I’m sure Phil’s name was stricken from the rolls in response to his writing, probably over a year ago. So how is he responsible for a clan that won’t accept him as a member?

      Of course, if you want to point out what it is that ties all Jews irrevocably to each other, and to the worst of us, I’m all ears (they used to, as I’ve mentioned, make fun of my over-sized auditory excrescences in grade school). I’ve been looking for it for years and haven’t found it, and I could put it to good use, too, if I had it.

      • Mooser says:

        “I’m sure Phil’s name was stricken from the rolls in response to his writing, probably over a year ago.”

        I checked the comment archives, and actually, it was closer to two years ago. Oh well, if they wanted to sanction him, they should have done it while they had the chance.

    • Mooser says:

      “Like this is a surprise…NOT. How does it feel knowing this is the clan you belong to? I know it would sicken me to the core.”

      Oh, kalithea, that’s nothing! Did I tell you what happened to me? I married what I thought was a non-Jewish girl, and years later, she confessed to me that the grand-matriarch of her Mother’s family emigrated to the US (mid-1800s) after being impregnated by a Jewish peddler! My hopes for my progeny escaping the “clan” dashed!

  18. dbroncos says:

    Getting Gaza’s story out in real time with English speaking reporters will be important in turning the tide of public opinion in the US. How many are there? What are their outlets? In the event of an Israeli invasion, Israel will, no doubt, call Gaza a closed military zone that’s off limits to reporters. Are more reporters able to get in through Egypt?

  19. gamal says:

    “Are more reporters able to get in through Egypt?” what and embarrass the “Knights riding under the Prophets banner”, i would think not, anyone thinking that the new revolutionary government in Egypt isnt fully on board with this slaughter is naive, they have a rhetoric problem perhaps, but we are masters of hand wringing and inaction, the Egyptian army will be watching all passes in to Tahrir Square, ranting about Jews may be acceptable but anyone who threatens the American dole so loved by the army will soon be dealt with by the latter day Mamluks. Gains for the Palestinians threaten the delicate balance of forces in the rentier states, popular forces must be defeated everywhere or who knows what might happen ( even Iran agreed on this and thus sent in the Badr Brigades in Iraq to stifle a popular uprising, remember Muqtada) if there is the chaos of real liberation, American fiat currency will not be available to the heroes of liberated Egypt.

    • gamal says:

      unless of course the Americans have decided to use Egypt to restrict Israels freedom of action, unlikely i would have thought, a little pressure on the region should suit America fine just now.

      • Citizen says:

        I will believe it when I see it: “a little US pressure on Israel, via Egypt. Obama wants Rice for Sec of State. Recall Candy Rice? Her namesake under Obama has the same moral/ethical character.

  20. Mondowise says:

    hey Phil, why didn’t you point out to Rozenfeld that their violation of the truce and murder of a boy in Gaza started all of this in the first place???????? what a missed opportunity!!!!

  21. jon s says:

    Phil and Allison, you’re welcome to make a stop in Beer Sheva. My home is yours.

    • talknic says:

      jon s November 16, 2012 at 1:57 am

      “Phil and Allison, you’re welcome to make a stop in Beer Sheva. My home is yours”

      If Beer Sheva was actually in Israel I would link to wp.me However Beer Sheva wasn’t part of the deal Israel accepted link to wp.me and confirmed link to wp.me

    • amigo says:

      “Phil and Allison, you’re welcome to make a stop in Beer Sheva. My home is yours.”

      But it is not yours .

      It is on stolen Palestinian land.

      And illegal squatters disgust me.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        “But it is not yours .”

        “It is on stolen Palestinian land.”

        You’re exactly right, amigo. What is even more disgusting is that squatters like jon s claim to be of the left, yet live on ethnically cleansed land while the real owners of it are either dead by jon s’ hand or that of his precedessors, in captivity in the West Bank or under seize in Gaza, while jon s fritters about pretending that the real problem is that Hamas is fighting the assaults on the Palestinian civilians, which have been going on for decades, in a way that affects the israeli civilians who vote for the government that has been turning the lives of the Palestinians into a living hell for 100 years. He has the gall to claim to be on the left, but is more concerned about the oppressor than the oppressed, even to the point of badmouthing something as constructive as BDSing israel, something which, at a minimum, someone of the left should support.

      • Mooser says:

        “But it is not yours .”

        Whoops, jons forgot that little factor. Well said, amigo. Oh well, it’s easy to be generous with stolen goods, and it’s fun to use little Jewish children as human shields.

        But if Phil went there, and saw how gosh-darned cute and earnest and religious and nice settlers are, why those ol’ Jewish heartstrings start zinging, and before you know it, he’s on the plane home singing Hatikvah.

        I’d be afraid to go to your house, you would poison me or strangle me in my sleep if ordered to do so by your Rabbi. Oh, I forgot, you’re no religious freak, you obey the law! That’s why you’re a settler!

        Hey, jons, you want to assure me that you won’t, inspite of our differences, hurt me, because I am a fellow-Jew?

        • jon s says:

          Wow, that’s what I get for a one-line comment offering hospitality to travellers…
          And just for the record: I didn’t steal my home from anyone, I paid for it (and still owe money on the mortgage) , I didn’t ethnically cleanse anyone, I’m not a “settler”, I don’t have a Rabbi to take orders from.
          Mooser, I don’t recall inviting you.
          OK, you know what: you’re invited, too. Do I have to lock up my wife and daughters?

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “And just for the record: I didn’t steal my home from anyone, I paid for it (and still owe money on the mortgage) , I didn’t ethnically cleanse anyone, I’m not a ‘settler’”

          The city you’re in was almost all Arab about a half a century ago and then, after a few years of ethnic cleansing, it’s 100% Jewish. Great. You didn’t steal it; you bought it from someone who did.

          So how about it, man of the left, have you voiced ANY opposition yet to your government regarding their assaults on the Gazan people?

        • talknic says:

          jon s “I didn’t steal my home from anyone, I paid for it (and still owe money on the mortgage)…”

          You’re talking about real estate. Real estate is property. Territory on the other hand, belongs to its legitimate citizens whether they own real estate, rent or lease real estate, are homeless bums living under a bridge.

          Beer Sheva is not in the territory accepted by the Jewish Agency, not in the territory internationally recognized as Israeli. Like all the territory Israel acquired by war by 1949, it has never been legally annexed to Israel.

          “I didn’t ethnically cleanse anyone, I’m not a “settler””

          Israel did and if you’re an Israeli citizen, you are settled outside of the Internationally recognized sovereign extent of the State of Israel.

    • Citizen says:

      Maybe he rather stop in Tel Sheva to experience the view from there?

  22. talknic says:

    Micky ” we’ll wipe the whole place out” Rosenfel needs reminding it is a war crime to even say that no quarter will be given

    Laws of War

    SECTION II
    HOSTILITIES
    CHAPTER I
    Means of Injuring the Enemy,
    Sieges, and bombardments
    Art. 22.

    The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited.
    Art. 23.

    In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden -

    To declare that no quarter will be given;

    link to avalon.law.yale.edu

  23. chinese box says:

    tell us how you really feel, Micky…

  24. James North says:

    Mondoweiss contributors and others have noted that you can manipulate a timeline of events to place blame where it doesn’t really belong.
    In that spirit, imagine if the same reporting distortions had been at work on June 6, 1944:
    “The Normandy region of France erupted today in violence when an Anglo-American invasion force landed, ending 4 years of peace in France and blistering the previously quiet French countryside with artillery and machine-gun fire. One French civilian trying to hide from the onslaught said, ‘All we want to do is farm our land in peace.’
    “German forces, stationed in France by agreement with the legitimate French government in Vichy, said they would mobilize to protect French civilians from the completely unprovoked Allied attack.”

  25. Shlomo says:

    > “I didn’t steal my home from anyone, I paid for it…”

    So art collectors who bought THEIR works from brokers of brokers of brokers who fenced them for thieves who stole them during WWII from “relocated” Jews are now… kosher?

    The HGM (“Holocaust Guiltmongering Machine”) will henceforth be turned off, time healing all?

    No more biblical referencing Skydaddy-the-Realtor or the talking-tree?