Another ‘NYT’ reporter goes to Gaza and offers condescending anthropological observations on social media

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It hasn’t been a month since a New York Times reporter in Gaza got in hot water for condescending comments on local culture, when Steven Erlanger, of the Times Paris bureau, formerly the Jerusalem bureau chief, shows up and has some anthropological insights to convey on social media.

The two tweets below strike me as “othering”– they treat Palestinians as an alien culture. First, here’s his tweet responding to a Hamas show of force– with his picture. “Dorothy: We’re not in Kansas anymore.”

Dorothy were not in Kansas anymore
“Dorothy: we’re not in Kansas anymore” — Erlanger

I wonder how he feels about Israelis with semiautomatic weapons at checkpoints…

Then Erlanger tweeted a picture of a rally at which children were wearing camouflage and had this to say: “Gaza today and tomorrow.” As if militancy is Gaza’s destiny and essence, rather than, say an artifact of occupation.

Gaza today and tomorrow
“Gaza today and tomorrow” — Erlanger

I still think it’s a good thing that Times reporters are on social media; I’m actually interested in what Jodi Rudoren thinks about the conflict. But Erlanger’s observations seem condescending, hoary, lame, bordering on inappropriate. Who does he think he is, Malinowski coming to New Guinea 100 years ago?

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  1. CitizenC
    December 8, 2012, 6:11 pm

    Condescending, lame, inappropriate…

    How about Jewish supremacist? Israel has the right to massacre Gaza with jet warplanes and attack helicopters, to invade with armored brigades, to assassinate military leaders who contemplate long-term cease fire, to blockade it by land, sea and air, but Gaza has no right to resist.

    • asherpat
      December 9, 2012, 8:08 am

      @Citizen, despite disagreeing with you on the “massacre” thing, I agree with you that Gaza has a “right to resist”. But it has neither legal nor moral right to “resist” by breaking the laws of war specifically and inteninally targetting civilians from the Israeli side.

      Don’t you agree with me?

      • Donald
        December 9, 2012, 9:21 am

        I don’t think either side has the right to kill civilians. The “intent” argument is tired and disingenuous. Israel kills far more civilians rather than treat Gazans as human beings, but they deny “intent”, claiming that they target only militants. Well, they know what the results will be and they have shown that they prefer violence to decent treatment, so their “intent” is clear.

        Hamas could argue that firing rockets is the only military tactic they have, and that the results (winning Israeli concessions on the shooting of Gaza fisherman and farmers and loosening the blockade) were worth the cost. I don’t buy this myself, but I’m sick of Western apologists justifying Western violence on the grounds that the targets made the “collateral damage” regrettable but worth it. It’s bad that Hamas thinks its violence has worked and that many Palestinians agree, but they are just using the logic that Westerners use.

      • CitizenC
        December 9, 2012, 11:54 am

        Asherpat, put down the law books and look at reality. Israel kills civilians on a daily basis. And all you can say is that Hamas has “neither legal nor moral right to break the laws of war.” Abstractly it’s true. Practically, it’s irrelevant. You can hardly make a case against a people subject to daily, comprehensive anti-civilian violence.

        Or, you can, but no sensible person will listen to you. Hamas has attempted cease-fires with Israel, which doesn’t want them; Israel just assassinated the Hamas military leader who was considering one. Who is responsible for the subsequent rocket fire?

        I’m not a fan of violence. The PLO’s original statement that “armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine”, and subsequent pursuit of it, was very stupid and did great damage. But it emerged from the circumstances of the refugees, rotting in their camps for 20 years, who provided most of the personnel. Nor do I think it would have made much difference.

        The Palestinians oppose the three worst forces on earth, the Jewish state, the US organized Jews, and the US national security state, the real “fateful triangle”. The most sophisticated and eloquent advocacy and public relations (of which there has been some) would have made no difference to the triangle, which understands only power.

        Convicts in Australia used to be tied to triangles and the flesh literally whipped off their backs. Our job is to get Palestine off the triangle, not moralize over her failings.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 12:04 pm

        “by breaking the laws of war”

        Ever review the laws on the duties of an occupying force? They are very clear that you cannot steal land, possessions, nor settle and annex the place. Not supposed to murder the people either.

      • asherpat
        December 10, 2012, 5:46 am

        @Mooser, transgressions of one side do not legalise the transgressions of the other. Do you argue that war crimes against Israel should be tolerated while Israel itself should be held to account?

      • kalithea
        December 9, 2012, 12:55 pm

        NO! I for one don’t agree with you. Unlike Israel that has laser-guided missiles and bombs and points and targets civilians and has killed thousands of civilians; Hamas have unguided rockets and that’s all they have to resist a brutal occupation. Their rockets aren’t laser guided to take out military and police targets. So pray tell, how would you resist the brutality that Israel has been exerting on Gaza, when Gaza is so isolated with miles-long buffer zones and protesting has been ineffectual??? It’s so easy to judge from the comfort of your armchair. Go live there for a few years and get back to me.

      • Les
        December 9, 2012, 4:45 pm

        The Palestinians have morality on their side while Israel has only the US on its side.

      • eljay
        December 10, 2012, 9:44 am

        >> … I agree with you that Gaza has a “right to resist”. But it has neither legal nor moral right to “resist” by breaking the laws of war specifically and inteninally targetting civilians from the Israeli side.

        Here’s a nifty trick guaranteed to make “resistance” disappear: Israel halts its occupation, withdraws to within its 1948 borders and enters into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        Ta dah!!!

  2. pjdude
    December 8, 2012, 6:50 pm

    calling a technical a show of force just shows how distorted the 2 states effective level of power are distorted media coverage and information is

  3. asherpat
    December 8, 2012, 7:01 pm

    Own flags waiving in the wind, heavy machine guns displayed leisurely, operated by own-force fighters, people openly sporting military fatigues, including on small children, politicians sharing small-talk…On the background of these displays of sovereignty and control, what “occupation” is meant in the following statement:
    “As if militancy is Gaza’s destiny and essence, rather than, say an artifact of occupation.”

    • Mooser
      December 8, 2012, 10:24 pm

      “On the background of these displays of sovereignty and control….”

      Ah, so those old pictures I see of armed Jewish resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto shows “sovereignty and control”. In that case, why did they give up and turn it over to the Germans?

      • asherpat
        December 9, 2012, 7:21 pm

        @Mooser, until the armed resistance in Warsaw ghetto was finally crushed and insurgents killed, yes, Jews had “sovereignty and control” over the territory they, err, controlled, however small this territory was and however tansient and brief the period. Please explain your argumentation.

    • American
      December 9, 2012, 9:29 am

      asherpat says:

      Own flags waiving in the wind, heavy machine guns displayed leisurely, operated by own-force fighters, people openly sporting military fatigues, including on small children, politicians sharing small-talk”>>>>>>

      So what?
      You zionist started it and were doing the same thing, running around in nazi like uniforms and spouting off like an army……. at least they are doing it on their own soil to defend their own soil, not to steal someone elses.

      [8.44] January 1946, British Consul, New York reporting a mass demonstration for Jewish freedom put on by the New Zionist Organization of America. “It was constantly patrolled by the Betarim, the new Jewish Youth Army, attired in a Hebrew version of the old Nazi Bund uniform.” “Great Britain was public enemy no. 1 of the Jewish people, more dangerous and shrewder than the Nazis…”

      [8.65] February 1946, formation of B´rith Trumpeldor of America or Betar, affiliated with the NZO. “there is noticeable similarity in the organisation´s character, structure and aims to those of the Hitler Youth…”, reported by British Embassy, Washington

      link to archiveeditions.co.uk

      • asherpat
        December 9, 2012, 7:18 pm

        @American, please can you explain the relevance of your diatribe above to refute my arguments that Gaza isnt occupied?

      • American
        December 10, 2012, 12:09 pm

        asherpat says:
        December 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm

        @American, please can you explain the relevance of your diatribe above to refute my arguments that Gaza isnt occupied
        >>>>>

        I was making fun of your description of Gaza militants.
        Occupied Gaza?…. well no it isn’t occupied, it’s “imprisoned”.
        Occupied, imprisoned who cares……get off their land, return to your own UN awarded parcel, shut up and stay there and mind your own business.
        If you need something try buying it instead of stealing it.

    • kalithea
      December 9, 2012, 1:01 pm

      When YOU use the word occupation in this context, KINDLY refer to it as “the longest military occupation in modern-day history! You see there’s trauma involved in being occupied by a spartan bully state; you start to emulate your oppressor. But then you only see through your hate-filled bifocals.

      • asherpat
        December 10, 2012, 3:38 am

        kalithea, China’s occupation of Tibet is longer, check your facts.

      • Inanna
        December 10, 2012, 4:30 am

        The situation of Tibetans if far more like that of Israeli Palestinians than occupied Palestinians since China has taken over Tibet, annexed it, moved non-Tibetans in and done a pretty good job of destroying local culture and architecture and environment and using violence to crush resistance. But at least they have citizenship just like ’48 Palestinians so it’s all good, right?

      • Cliff
        December 10, 2012, 4:38 am

        How long is China’s occupation of Tibet?

      • asherpat
        December 10, 2012, 5:39 am

        @Cliff – Wikipedia (link to en.wikipedia.org says that “The History of Tibet from 1950 to the present was heralded by the People’s Liberation Army entering Tibet in 1950-51. “. “Entering”, you see ;).

      • Cliff
        December 10, 2012, 7:02 am

        So Tibet was occupied in 1951 and Palestine since 1967.

        What is the Chinese occupation like? Are they also colonizing land and ethnically cleansing the indigenous population like your cult is doing to the Palestinians?

      • Woody Tanaka
        December 10, 2012, 10:17 am

        So Tibet was occupied in 1951 and Palestine since 1967.”

        No, Palestine’s been occupied by the zionist state since 1948. (And portion of it, before that, by zionist terror forces.)

      • asherpat
        December 10, 2012, 10:50 am

        @Cliff,

        kalithea, above, claimed that Israeli occupation is the “longest military occupation in modern-day history”, and I suggested that Tibet’s occupation is older. We did not dispute the details such as “ethnic cleansing” or “colonizing”, just the timing.

    • Inanna
      December 10, 2012, 4:24 am

      Israel controls the air, sea, entry and exit of goods and people, the population registry, spies on Gaza 24/7 using CCTV and maintains a buffer zone inside Gaza, shooting at Gazans who violate that zone. You are just using stupid hasbara to score a cheap point, ignoring the reality of what is going on. Hamas or the PA can display their relatively puny military resources and have a few marches and put uniforms on resistance fighters but none of that denies the actual control that Israel exerts. What Hamas and the PA do are shows of defiance. Don’t confuse that for Gaza being free from occupation. I’m disgusted with hasbrats who think that they can push a partial view of reality and think that anyone outside their circle jerk will be convinced by their shit.

  4. dimadok
    December 8, 2012, 7:02 pm

    Let me remind your observations about Israel:
    link to mondoweiss.net
    “You can see the guards in this photo. They’re the two dark figures at the center, under the red-clay tile roof. They’re not soldiers. My friend and I later talked to them. One was a yokel with a wispy blond beard, and a semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder. The other was a tough, darkhaired woman in a jacket. Settlers.”
    Yokel, right? And the woman must be a settler.
    Both of you are the opposite branches of the same tree- arrogant, educated, preposterous and patronizing intelectual elite. White and American to the core. Being Jewish just complicates it for you.

    • tree
      December 8, 2012, 9:20 pm

      dim, Try reading instead of skimming . “My friend and I later talked to them.” It’s right in the middle of the frigging passage you quoted. He knew they were settlers because he talked to them.

      • dimadok
        December 8, 2012, 10:56 pm

        The frigging passage doesn’t explain the “yokel” quote. Back off.

      • Obsidian
        December 9, 2012, 6:36 am

        I can explain “yokel”. That’s Phil being condescending and anthropological.

      • Donald
        December 9, 2012, 9:30 am

        I can explain “yokel” better. Phil was thinking, perhaps, of white southern Mississippians of the 1950′s at a KKK gathering, wearing sheets and carrying guns, and as a Northern liberal he fell back on a term that is condescending to rural dwellers, rather than using something more appropriate, like “armed racist”.

        That was a mistake, Phil. It’s better to use the more accurate term.

      • Philip Weiss
        December 9, 2012, 11:45 am

        Does it mitigate my othering that these people, with a huge amount of power and support, presume to speak for me and are supported by my Jewish crowd in the US? I have not treated marginalized Christians in the US as yokels. And yokel is a great word

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 12:06 pm

        “The frigging passage doesn’t explain the “yokel” quote. Back off.”

        Oy listen to the big tough Israeli macher! He’s so brave with his keyboard! What a maroon.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 12:13 pm

        ” by my Jewish crowd”

        ROTFL!!! “My”? “My Jewish”? Phil, please,, you aren’t even married to a Jew and you have no kids. Stop being ridiculous.
        Besides, who gave you ownership of it? Or do you think you’re brave enough, tough enough, and want it enough to take it away from them? And I really don’t see why it matters, now that you have changed your “thinking” about Zionism, what responsibility do you bear?
        My Jewish crowd! You go, Rabbi Phil.
        And just be careful what you wish for. When you get it, you may find out you never really wanted it that much.

        That’s rich, “My Jewish crowd” (no doubt, a much much classier breed of Jew than my motley crowd) is responsible for the situation, it’s your crowd, but it’s not your fault. Sure, okay.

        We will never fix Zionism with extensive committed outside help, . We do not have what it takes to take responsibility for it.

      • American
        December 9, 2012, 12:14 pm

        I think the correct term is ‘local yokel”……has nothing to do with racist or not…..is someone whose view, understanding, outlook, way of thinking, ‘is limited’ to his own ‘limited’ world/locale/ folk lore, beliefs, ect.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 12:23 pm

        “Does it mitigate my othering….”

        That you feel called upon to explain yourself to Zionist internet trolls? Why yes, I’m sure it does! Tells them everything they need to know. You’ll stray, but not too far. Nobody wants to be without their Jewish crowd.

        Ah, but when the crowd, finally “gets” it, when you “wean” them from Zionism, and with tears and broken syntax, attempts to apologise to you for their insults, what a glorious day that will be! The grace with which you will accept their inadequate words will be inspiring. Do you dream about it sometimes in your quietest moments?

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 12:26 pm

        “Back off.”

        Nothing like clicking on Mondo first thing on a Sunday morning. A cup of strong coffee lightened with hysterical laughter really starts the day off right. ROTFLMSJAO!!!!

      • tree
        December 9, 2012, 12:56 pm

        Back off? Hypersensitive about your mistake are you? Think that no one else can respond to you?
        Phil talked to this person.From that discussion Phil got the impression that he was uneducated and unsophisticated – a yokel. He didn’t call the woman a yokel, just a settler, which she was. He didn’t call all settlers yokels. He didn’t make wild uneducated assumptions about these people, like Erlanger did about Gazans.

      • dimadok
        December 9, 2012, 1:15 pm

        “Yokel” is a great word indeed. Also there is simpleton, hillbilly or fallah, if you insist on staying at the Middle Eastern grounds. All meant in modern language to diminish and to dismiss intellectual ability or finesse from the described person. However, and it may come as a surprise here, lots of these guards, and me and lots of my friends included, may have college and university degrees, or are studying towards them. It’s just a job and nothing else. Same as the Western person being a bouncer in the club or bartender somewhere.
        But the core question remains: while there is a lot of patronizing towards Palestinians, and Arabs in general, which is deplorable and shameful, does it make an OK to do the same for the Israelis here? And please stop pretend that it’s a minuscule thing here- every post there are comments about “whining” and “moaning” Israelis ( read Jews).
        Elitism, backed by privileged upbringing and some sense of mission, can backfire easily.

      • kalithea
        December 9, 2012, 1:38 pm

        No-no, armed racist bully and his squatting hag; now THAT would be condescending, if it weren’t so true!

      • seanmcbride
        December 9, 2012, 1:56 pm

        Mooser,

        We will never fix Zionism with extensive committed outside help, . We do not have what it takes to take responsibility for it.

        I am not sure I understand this statement. By “with” did you mean “without”?

        In fact, I am not sure I understand you, or where you are coming from on Mideast politics, at all.

        On the subject of the role of the Jewish establishment, and of the Jewish religious establishment in particular, in driving the policies of the Israel lobby, you sound like hophmi — except hophmi doesn’t rise to your level of irrationality, hysteria and outright ignorance on the subject.

        By the way: what was the last book on Mideast politics that you read? Which news sources on Mideast politics do you follow on a regular basis?

        The Henny Youngman/vaudeville routine is occasionally amusing, but it is thin gruel when trying to discuss substantive Mideast political issues in a useful way.

      • Donald
        December 9, 2012, 2:22 pm

        “Does it mitigate my othering that these people, with a huge amount of power and support, presume to speak for me and are supported by my Jewish crowd in the US? ”

        Yes. Anyway,to the extent you’re responding to my criticism as opposed to that of obsidian, my objection is really that “yokel” understates it by a long shot–”yokel” is the sort of word urban types use to make fun of rural types, but you’re dealing not with some inoffensive farmer who doesn’t deserve to be ridiculed. You’re talking about an armed settler.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 9, 2012, 6:27 pm

        dim, just because being an armed guard in an apartheid state that wouldn’t hold you accountable if you happened to put a bullet thru some innocents brain based on their ethnicity is just a job and nothing else to you, no one here will seriously consider armed settlers akin to ‘bouncers at a club’.

        please, spare us.

      • eljay
        December 9, 2012, 6:45 pm

        >> But the core question remains: while there is a lot of patronizing towards Palestinians, and Arabs in general, which is deplorable and shameful, does it make an OK to do the same for the Israelis here?

        But the real core question remains: Why are you and your Zio-supremacist, “Jewish State” co-collectivists still occupying Palestine (that is, land outside of Israel’s 1948 borders), stealing land and resources, colonizing stolen land, and oppressing Palestinians both within and without your borders?

        It’s really hard to be sympathetic to the rapist who complains that people call him “a bad man” even as he continues to physically and sexually assault his victim.

      • dimadok
        December 9, 2012, 6:54 pm

        That’s a very bad choice of words. Even for you.

      • dimadok
        December 9, 2012, 7:02 pm

        @ Annie. You still think that it is so easy to pull a trigger?

      • gamal
        December 10, 2012, 1:00 am

        “fallah” that would be fellah, fellahin or fellaheen, etc nothing derogatory about it, ahl al ‘ard and all that.

        “comments about “whining” and “moaning” Israelis ( read Jews).” (read Jews) are Jews just human shields to whining Zionists? how sad. But sadly because Zionist arguments are based on so much falsehood what else do you have but histrionics about perceived slights, ever heard “I’ve never met a nice South African (and that’s not bloody surprising man)” by the spitting image crew, during Apartheid, at least the Boers didnt whine and moan like you, false appeals to equality and respect from colonizers are unconvincing, and you lot get off pretty easily considering the reality of your activities.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2012, 1:11 am

        (read Jews) are Jews just human shields to whining Zionists? how sad.

        we can count on you gamal for speaking truth to power. here’s another (the original lyrics are for you tho):

      • Ellen
        December 10, 2012, 6:06 am

        dim,

        Yokel is not a term used to diminish anyone. It goes with local, as in local yokel. Means someone rooted to the place, often a small place. The one who knows everyone, how the town works, etc. The REAL local….yokel.

      • Ellen
        December 10, 2012, 6:10 am

        Mooser, thanks. With all respect to Phil, I cringe a bit inside when I read that kind of stuff and wonder if he is being serious or parodying himself?

        Did he enjoy reading “Our Crowd” as a kid?

      • libra
        December 10, 2012, 8:02 am

        Sean McBride: The Henny Youngman/vaudeville routine is occasionally amusing,…”

        Occasionally, Sean? Now that’s really well below the (Borscht) belt.

      • eljay
        December 10, 2012, 12:07 pm

        >> That’s a very bad choice of words. Even for you.

        And, so, the real core question remains unanswered…

      • seanmcbride
        December 10, 2012, 12:20 pm

        libra,

        I don’t want to interrupt Mooser’s comic rhythm, but I have been flabbergasted (first time I’ve used that word in a long time) by Mooser’s hophmi-like obfuscations regarding the role of the Jewish establishment (a perfectly respectable term) and Judaism in propelling the entire Zionist project forward.

        Every serious scholar of the history of Zionism knows that these topics are absolutely essential and *central* to understanding what makes Israel tick. They need to be at the top of the agenda in the war of ideas in the Middle East.

        I apologize if I am being too harsh on our beloved Mooser. But honestly — when I think about it — I can’t recall him ever citing a single substantive book or journal article on Mideast politics. My impression is that he is instinctively anti-Zionist but hasn’t taken the trouble to inform himself about the issues we are discussing. But a bit of comic relief can’t hurt in these overheated debates — keep the wisecracks coming.

      • Obsidian
        December 10, 2012, 2:03 pm

        “Why are you and your Zio-supremacist, “Jewish State” co-collectivists still occupying Palestine (that is, land outside of Israel’s 1948 borders)”

        The ‘Green’ armistice line is not a border.

      • eljay
        December 10, 2012, 3:38 pm

        >> The ‘Green’ armistice line is not a border.

        Armistice line – 1949, not 1948. This (PDF) is 1948 borders.

      • Ellen
        December 10, 2012, 7:18 pm

        obsidian, Does Israel have its borders yet?

    • Mooser
      December 8, 2012, 10:19 pm

      “White and American to the core. Being Jewish just complicates it for you.”

      Oooh, Dimmy, you really blew Phil up there, baby! Yup, if only he was just white and American, he’d be all in favor of Israel, but his damn Judaism gets in the way. Couldn’t have put it better myself.
      Nice opinion you got of white Americans, huh?

    • eljay
      December 9, 2012, 12:31 am

      >> Both of you are the opposite branches of the same tree- arrogant, educated, preposterous and patronizing intelectual elite.

      It must be so much easier being just a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist: Your gawd and your government tell you it’s OK to oppress, occupy, steal, colonize, destroy and kill…so you do. And if anyone complains, well, you were just following orders!

    • Obsidian
      December 9, 2012, 12:57 am

      Lol. Brilliant Dima.

      • kalithea
        December 9, 2012, 1:09 pm

        So said the fly to the horse that just dropped a fresh pile of manure.

      • Cliff
        December 9, 2012, 2:34 pm

        It must be real lonely for you ZioBot trolls to have to constantly pat each other on the back as a defense mechanism to the stream of anti-Zionist views knocking your wobbly nationalistic bullshit down.

  5. MRW
    December 8, 2012, 7:38 pm

    I doubt anyone has ever held him to account, much less derided him for l’hauteur of his sinecure. After all, he’s operating out of Paris now, isn’t he? It’s easy for an American there to feel superior.

    But you keep jabbing, Phil. These jokers need it.

  6. W.Jones
    December 8, 2012, 7:59 pm

    “I wonder how he feels about Israelis with semiautomatic weapons at checkpoints…”
    I assume he feels they need them and need some or many of the checkpoints too. Just a guess.

    You are leading to a good point in your question. Isn’t Israeli society actually more militarized, since generally their young people of both genders are in the military?

  7. W.Jones
    December 8, 2012, 8:05 pm

    Gaza today and tomorrow.” As if militancy is Gaza’s destiny and essence, rather than, say an artifact of occupation.

    It seems by specifying “Gaza” and showing a picture of Hamas militants the reporter distinguishes the high density, surrounded Gaza from the rest of the Pal. territories.

    So the author believes that Gaza will be blockaded off and isolated from the rest of Palestine for another generation or two?

  8. edwardm
    December 8, 2012, 9:11 pm

    “Isn’t Israeli society actually more militarized….?” oh heck no!
    link to tinyrevolution.com

    • tree
      December 8, 2012, 11:01 pm

      Several more of these same kind of pictures of Jewish Israeli children toting guns and dressed in paramilitary attire are part of Lawrence of Cyberia’s blogpost here:

      link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com

      The really sad part of Erlanger’s condescending post is that he was the Jerusalem bureau chief a while back. He should know that the Israeli equivalent to this exists and yet only Gaza elicits the “We’re not in Kansas… ” line. And why is Palestinian culture so “foreign” to a man who was posted to the region for years???
      Did he ever venture out of Jerusalem all those years? Is the first time he’s been in Gaza? He should be ashamed to call himself a reporter!

      • Donald
        December 9, 2012, 9:26 am

        I was going to go looking for those posts, but you saved me the trouble.

  9. Mondowise
    December 8, 2012, 9:35 pm

    “Gaza today and tomorrow.”

    the “today” part of this sentence – as if Erlanger is silently snickering with evil thoughts of: “and they wonder why we bomb the children, heh heh heh”….as if being dressed in camouflage could ever possibly justify murdering innocent children.

    and the “tomorrow” part of this sentence??? – a clear threat against humanity that izrael will continue to do just that, bomb and murder more innocent children.

  10. DICKERSON3870
    December 8, 2012, 11:16 pm

    RE: “Then Erlanger tweeted a picture of a rally at which children were wearing camouflage and had this to say: ‘Gaza today and tomorrow’.” ~ Weiss

    SEE: “Tourism in Israeli settlements: Practice shooting Palestinians”, by Abir Kopty, Mondoweiss, 6/19/12

    Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronot published a story today (June 18th, 2012) about a tourist activity offered by Gush Etzion settlements, where visitors can practice how to shoot “terrorists”.
    Stories about such tours both in settlements and army bases are always published, but no serious attention given to such scary culture of hatred and violence.
    Tourists from across the globe visit Gush Etzion settlements, where they are offered by settlers “enjoyable” package under the name “Hebrew Extreme Tourism” with range of activities that include: story telling about battles, view live shooting performance and an activity where visitors can practice shooting at “terrorists-mechablim” cardboard pictures hung on the wall.
    The word used for terrorist in Hebrew is “Mechabel” (mechablim for terrorists). In Israeli discourse this is a synonym for Palestinian.

    SOURCE – link to mondoweiss.net

    • DICKERSON3870
      December 8, 2012, 11:26 pm

      P.S. FROM ‘YNET NEWS’, 6/18/12:

      [EXCERPTS] . . . Gush Etzion has become a hot destination in recent months for tourists seeking an Israeli experience like no other: The opportunity to pretend-shoot a terror operative. Residents of the nearby settlements, who run the site, offer day-trippers a chance to hear stories from the battleground, watch a simulated assassination of terrorists by guards, and fire weapons at the range.
      The fact that the tourist attraction is located beyond the Green Line only intensifies the thrill for the visitors, who often appear disappointed when told by their guides that they are not in any danger. . .
      Five-year-old sniper
      Michel Brown, 40, a Miami banker, chose to take his wife and three children to the range with the purpose of “teaching them values.”
      Upon entering the range, his five-year-old daughter, Tamara, bursts into tears. A half hour later, she is holding a gun and shooting clay bullets like a pro.
      “This is part of their education,” Michel says as he proudly watches his daughter. “They should know where they come from and also feel some action.” . . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to ynetnews.com

      • American
        December 9, 2012, 10:06 am

        “They should know where they come from and also feel some action.” . . .”

        Every time I hear that kind of naive bravado I think ‘famous last words’. Do these kind of vicarious militants not understand that David and Goliath was a myth……..12.5 million Jews in the world – 1.7 billion Arabs, 25% of the world’s population…..we know who will win this in the end. ….the numbers always win.
        It’s taken everything the US superpower, and most of the world, can do just to keep Israel existing–that isn’t going to last—-better learn to fit in the world.

      • Kate
        December 9, 2012, 12:28 pm

        There is some confusion here, I think. According to Wikipedia, the number of ‘Arabs’ in the world (variously defined) is about 400 million. The number of MUSLIMS is thought to be about 1.7 billion – and that includes Indonesians (203 million) , Indians (161 million), Pakistanis (174 million), Banglasdeshis (145 million), Nigeria (78 million), etc.

      • American
        December 10, 2012, 11:57 am

        Yes, I should have said Muslims not as strictly Arabs.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2012, 2:20 pm

        ● Five-year-old sniper

        This story is not original, Dickerson. It is transmuted from a pornographic account of a man who breaks his daughters into prostitution. And in the sexually pornographic version, the daughters always end up loving the work, too.

  11. Accentitude
    December 9, 2012, 3:52 am

    In regard to his photo of the two kids in military fatigues in Gaza:

    I wonder if Erlanger has ever participated in or covered the 4th of July celebration in New York City (clearly he must have as an NYT reporter), where American kids often dress up as soldiers, police, firefighters or Uncle Sam waving their American flags and displaying the U.S. patriotism that they’re injected with from an early age?

    And if so, are those kids in NYC or anywhere in the U.S. during the 4th of July, any different from the kids in Gaza? If you look at it from the Gazan perspective, Hamas are their heroes. They are the ones resisting the occupation and fighting against the brutal regime that is killing their people on a daily basis. Is that so weird? I don’t think so.

    • Ellen
      December 10, 2012, 11:19 am

      I wonder if Erlanger has ever been to or seen one of these boy’s military schools in the US, or a summer camp where 12-year-olds show up in military fatigues.

  12. Betsy
    December 9, 2012, 9:00 pm

    poor maligned anthropologists. Compare to what Smadar Lavie, a real anthropologist writes link to mondoweiss.net

    • gamal
      December 10, 2012, 3:12 am

      In Person Smadar Lavie is very engaging, she gave a great talk at UCC about the need to learn to talk to very right wing Mizrahim, there were only 8 or 9 of us at her talk, I am glad she found a wider audience, since anthropology has come up Betsy I wonder if you have seen this excellent group, following in the footsteps of Roi Kwabena.

      link to openanthropology.org

      also some friends of the people i am currently staying with, they grew up together in Shepparton, Victoria.

      link to truth-out.org

      • Betsy
        December 10, 2012, 11:13 am

        @gamal — THANK YOU! Zero Anthropology is an amazing & wonderful site… I hadn’t known of it. What an intro!

        At its most basic level,ZERO ANTHROPOLOGY is about anthropology after empire, that is to say an anthropology that emerges from the decline of European and North American geopolitical hegemony, that crosses the zero line demarcating the point at which that hegemony nears complete collapse. It is not predicated on salvage, but on resurgence. The project does not lust after recognition and reward by the authorities, and therefore does not enlist itself in the service of dominant elites, and their various “humanitarian imperialist,” corporate, and militarist endeavors. It is fundamentally an anti-imperialist anthropology, an anthropology of empire, an anthropology against empire, and an opening to anthropology after empire. Zero Anthropology seeks to be toxic to power.

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