Biden says Jews can’t be safe in the U.S. without a Jewish state

Will the Obama administration pressure Israel? No. Yesterday Joe Biden gave a figleaf to Netanyahu and only referred to settlements in a positive light.

The headlines on Biden’s speech to AIPAC yesterday emphasize his statement that Obama is not bluffing about his willingness to go to war against Iran to stop it from becoming a nuclear power. But I found the speech shocking for its Jewish politics: the vice president refused to criticize Israel in the slightest and stated repeatedly that Jews can only be safe in the United States if there is a Jewish state. 

Here’s his only reference to settlements: 

[T]he only country on the Human Rights Council of the United Nations to vote against the establishment of a fact-finding mission on settlements was the United States of America.

As for the peace process, expect nothing from the Obama visit. The two-state solution is over and done with. Here is Biden’s lip service to that process; not a bit of pressure on Israel– but a figleaf for Netanyahu, who doesn’t speak of two states anymore:

Ladies and gentlemen, Israel’s own leaders currently understand the imperative of peace.  Prime Minister Netanyahu, Defense Minister Barak, President Peres — they’ve all called for a two-state solution and an absolute secure, democratic and Jewish State of Israel; to live side by side with an independent Palestinian state.  But it takes two to tango, and the rest of the Arab world has to get in the game.

And of course not a word about the experience of Palestinians under occupation.

Biden repeatedly praised “Ehud”– Ehud Barak, the former Israeli P.M. in the audience who launched the assault on Gaza in ’08-’09, with whom Chuck Hagel also met yesterday, one of his first assignments as Defense Secretary, to kiss the ring. And Biden twice mentioned Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic chair who led the standing ovations for Netanyahu in Congress two years ago that so humiliated Obama.

Here are Biden’s references to the need for a Jewish state to make Jews in the U.S. secure. First at the start:

It was at that [family] table that I learned that the only way to ensure that it could never happen again was the establishment and the existence of a secure, Jewish state of Israel.  (Applause.)  I remember my father, a Christian, being baffled at the debate taking place at the end of World War II talking about it.  I don’t remember it at that time, but about how there could be a debate about whether or not — within the community, of whether or not to establish the State of Israel.

My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States.  (Applause.)  Everybody knows it’s real. 

And the speech closed with the same idea:

[Golda Meir said to me,] our secret weapon, Senator, is we have no place else to go.  We have no place else to go.  (Applause.) Ladies and gentlemen, our job is to make sure there’s always a place to go, that there’s always an Israel, that there’s always a secure Israel and there’s an Israel that can care for itself.  (Applause.)  My father was right.  You are right.  It’s the ultimate guarantor of never again.

The speech was red meat for the lobby: no pressure at all on Israel. And Biden said that criticism of Israel — efforts to delegitimize the Jewish state — worry him more than anything else, including Iran.

Let me tell you what worries me the most today — what worries me more than at any time in the 40 years I’ve been engaged, and it is different than any time in my career.  And that is the wholesale, seemingly coordinated effort to delegitimize Israel as a Jewish state.  That is the single most dangerous, pernicious change that has taken place, in my humble opinion, since I’ve been engaged. 

I guess the lobby has been in Biden’s life for a long time. He says he’s been going to AIPAC forever. The late Tom Lantos, Holocaust survivor and congressman, was his foreign-policy adviser for years, and many of those in the hall have “been my teachers, my mentors and my educators.” 

I see Peter Beinart is on this too, accurately describing this travesty as a reflection of Jewish political power:

I get the yearning to use American Jewish power to safeguard Jewish lives. I get and admire it. What’s awful is the refusal to acknowledge that Jewish power can be abused. And central to that refusal is the language AIPAC and its allies have created to talk about Palestinians, millions of whom live largely at the mercy of Jewish power, as noncitizens in a Jewish state. It’s a dishonest and dehumanizing language, and, unfortunately, Biden speaks it extremely well too.

    • In many parts of Eastern Europe (Romania, the Czech Republic etc.) they are very unsafe. Now then, they come originally from India, but which part and what outside power can they persuade to sponsor a state for them?

  1. despite the bill of rights?

    jews can’t be safe in the u.s. without a jewish state?

    what’s da matter?

    afraid the constitution won’t hold?

    my o my?

    such bluster?

    so little faith?

    • Jews who are worried (in my opinion needlessly) about their safety in America need only find themselves a gentile spouse. At that point they will have a fierce defender against all enemies, foreign or domestic. What’s not to like?

      • @ Carowhat
        But Zionism is against diaspora assimilation; indeed that’s a core reason for early Zionism. Further, there are Establishment Jewish organizations and rabbis in USA who’ve declared an eternal fight against what they label as “The Silent Holocaust,” which is nothing else but intermarriage with non-Jews. The Jewish Establishment demands at the very least that such intermarried couples bring their children up “as Jewish,” that is, identifying as such. The rest of the parental heritage does not matter at all. They don’t see this as an insult to non-Jewish Americans with their various ethnic and religious heritages. Their logic is that if you are against their POV, you favor the end of the Jewish people. Reverse logic is not in their mentality.

        Obama recently said he’s not going to Israel with a peace plan proposal because Netanyahu does not yet have a new government. But Obama says such a thing might be possible later in 2013 after an Israeli coalition regime can be formed by Bibi N.

        Obama is now in his second term. If you were looking for him to crack down on Israeli settlements, and to directly engage with all top Palestinians leaders, including HAMAS ones, you will be disappointed.

        It appears that Obama is now focusing on getting a Democratic majority in the US House of Representatives, so he can to whatever he most desires domestically. So, once again, his Cairo speech stays in the closet, as well as his VP’s past public displays of annoyance at chutzpah Israel.

        Looks to me like Obama will depart office with no change in the I-P Conflict solution, and there’s a fair chance the US, led by Obama and Beiden, along with happy congress, will attack Iran to aid Israel, and increase aid to Israel during America’s horrible economy, and all the while Israel will take the beneficiary diversion goodies, all the while grabbing more of what’s left of Palestinian land, treating Arab Israeli citizens as second class ones, and effectively ruling over Gaza as an open-air prison.

        And the next POTUS will also play along with Israel, at best, hoping by doing so he or she will get big Zionist donations and main media support for particular domestic agenda items.

        I see America continuing down the Zionist drain, most Americans oblivious to it. Nothing to prevent it. EU is too weak, dependent on US, & so is China, Russia, India. I’m beginning to hope the US attacks Iran in support of an Israeli attack. Nothing else will gain solidarity of the whole world against this pair of supremest states who’s elite reasonably believes it can do whatever it wants with the world, regardless of impact on the locals and their natural resources.

        • Citizen – - Jewish zealots should not complain if half of the children produced by marriages of “Jews” with non-Jews, identify themselves as “Jews”. Since half of all “Jews” in the US marry non-Jews.

  2. As for the peace process, expect nothing …. The two-state solution is over and done with.

    i’m not a fan of weiss’s serial, sweeping historical pronouncements, but this is absolutely on target.

  3. Joe Biden: After years of being “taught” and “mentored” by some of you here, I have come to realize that deep inside me lies a voracious anti-semite, that can be loosed at any time and without warning, and so I’d like to apologize, on behalf of myself and the other 99.9% of the worlds population that suffers from the same condition.

    (Biden then pulls out revolver from under lectern and shoots himself, at which point the AIPAC crowd rises to its feet in furious applause and with prideful, teary eyes; marveling at what lengths Joe Biden was willing to go to to eradicate antisemitism)

    End Credits.

    • Brilliant! And do you think he would have sodomized a donkey to please AIPAC? I had goodwill towards Joe as a human being, as a man who lost his wife and one child in a tragic accident, and as an “average Joe,” now I hold him in as much contempt for him as I do Obama.

    • Dan,

      The critics would have a field day:

      Bill Kristol would call it a cheap stunt Bidem pulled for Jewish campaign money for his 2016 presidential bid

      Elliot Abrahams would decry it as unsatisfactory, seeing as Biden didn’t first kill his own children first – thru are after all, the children of an anti Semite

      Abe Foxman would applaud it, but decry Biden’s act for not considering the sentiments of holocaust survivors by carrying out the act in public

      Caroline Glick would decry that Biden didn’t condem his own father for bringing up an anti Semite.

  4. you know what scars me? biden would be the prez if anything were to happen to obama. that could be viewed as dangerous motivation for some people.

  5. “My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States. (Applause.)”

    Name one medieval kingdom of less than 5 million people that survived intact from 1300 into the 21 st century.
    The notion that Israel can go it alone without alliances is nuts.

    ” Ladies and gentlemen, Israel’s own leaders currently understand the imperative of peace.” Simply deluded.

    “[Golda Meir said to me,] our secret weapon, Senator, is we have no place else to go”

    That is testament to the poor nature of the Israeli education system. The Palestinians’ secret weapon is that no Jews living in the OECD want to go live in Israel. Aliyah is as dead as AIPAC ethics.

    • seafoid: Name one medieval kingdom of less than 5 million people that survived intact from 1300 into the 21 st century.
      The notion that Israel can go it alone without alliances is nuts.

      Well it may be the exception that proves the rule but, give or take a million or two people, I’m going with Switzerland. Perhaps it may yet be the template for a successful single state in IP.

      • Switzerland is not and never has been a medieval kingdom. Closer to the mark might be San Marino? Seafroid’s point remains a good one.

  6. As an atheist in America I’m feeling less secure

    But I think I’ve found a cure

    I need to rob some people of their land

    Perhaps I’ll take Afghanistan

    This may upset the people who’s land I take

    Because they might not go along with the my plans I make

    So their will I’ll need to break

    Which is why I’ll need the bomb.

  7. If I were American, I’d be pretty annoyed at my Vice Prez telling agents of a foreign state that minority ethnic groups (or is it only one, special ethnic group?) were not safe amongst us. Seriously, that is extremely insulting to Americans.

    And the ironic things is that all the AIPAC schmoozers talk of how there must be a ‘Jewish state’ independent of foreign powers, while attending the conference of an organisation whose sole aim is to pressure a foreign power to submit to their every demand. In reality, Jews in Israel are far more dependent on the whims of foreign leaders than are Jews in the ‘diaspora’ who are just ordinary citizens. Without the goodwill of Western powers, Israel would collapse. And indeed, as time moves on and Western powers lose the ability to dictate events in the Middle East, that is precisely what will happen to the Zionist experiment.

  8. My dear father once told me at the dinner table “Joseph- if you want to go places you are going to have to fellate a donkey in DC belonging to a man called Adelson. It won’t really hurt and you’ll be really popular”.

  9. Typical Shabbos-goy politcal-hack doing the laundry for Israel’s criminal misdeeds.

    The man’s proven again and again that he is a goofball with his wooden grin and
    folksy politicking.I remember when he ran for president and kept using the story from childhood -his parents would say get up, get up and fight, Irish Joe.

    Where was the fight when he went to Tel Aviv and Netanyahu sprung the new
    housing developments on his turkey-ass? He seems to believe that he is one of
    the fighting liberals, but I don’t really see it when it comes to his bootlicking
    exercises with Netanyahu and AIPAC.

  10. What is Biden and the other I-Firsters actual crime?
    In my book it’s Treason…and Treason to me is when a person KNOWS that what he does or espouses is a sell out of and critically damages his own country.
    And 99% of the I Firsters do know better, just like Biden knows better .
    They lie for money and their careers.
    Just as MJ points out about Biden.
    I think they think like Eric Alterman, who said America should take whatever hits it has to for Israel.
    These politicians think that America and Americans can ‘take the hits’ they create for us with this kind of political treason for the sake of their own personal political careers.
    Some people want to avoid the ‘Traitor’ tag…well, they can’t, cause that is exactly what it is. These politicians ‘take money’ in exchange for using their position to commit acts that damage America and Americans….plain and simple.
    As long as we don’t ‘publicly’ accuse them and call it exactly what it is and do something about it they will keep on doing it.

    MJ Rosenberg on Biden:

    It’s hard to watch the AIPAC conference for more than a few minutes at a time. For me, the worst part is the pandering (and lying) by Democratic politicians eager to raise money for their next campaign.

    So far, Joe Biden has been the worst. He is heavily funded by the Adler family of Miami Beach (he even brought President Obama to their home for a fundraiser), one of the big AIPAC families. Here is Biden talking about how the head of the Adler klan and another AIPAC mogul gave him his “formal education” on the Middle East. (Not to mention all that money.

    And, of course, Biden (like John Kerry) knows better than his AIPAC speeches indicate. I have talked to him about Israel and Palestine.He can name the top Palestinian leaders in Fatah and Hamas and tell you the differences between their respective positions. He believes Israel needs to end the occupation and talk to Hamas. He would not dare say it publicly, although he has said it so often privately that it is amazing the media never reports it.

    But Biden does what he thinks he has to because, for politicians like him (that is, pretty much all politicians), nothing is more important than keeping donors happy. Call him a hypocrite but he cries all the way to the bank.”

    • @ American
      In the middle ages, and right down to pre-Bolshevik Russia, while the serfs, then peasants lived off the last leftovers, the elite goy royalty catered to the jews when it suited them, when they both profited off the system, at the expense of the goy cattle. So what has changed? Eventually the peasants riot. The it goes down in Jewish history as a pogrom, large or small. Today, Israel itself, conjoined with AIPAC et all is the court jew, banker, etc. No? How so?

  11. >> My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States.

    Well, that rules out Israel:
    - it’s an individual nation; and
    - it’s not “good and noble” (even if it is better than Saudi Arabia and Mali).

  12. Its hard for me to believe that the pandering nonsence that comes forth from Biden’s mouth conflict with Obama’s wishes. Obama’s statements over the years , his pandering to the Zionist hegemony over US middle east policies are as strident and devoid of any honesty as is Biden’s. In particular , Obama’s constant referral of “Jewish” suffering, of Jewish “childrens” fears while ignoring the far greater violence,toward all Palestiians , and most assuredly its children shows his lack of decency and honesty. At least Obama doesn’t say he is a “Zionist” as Joe Biden has stated many times in the past. Yeah, and I believe Biden’s story of his fathers dinner talk . Joe, thats taking pandering to another level.

    • @ peeesss
      Beiden’s clock stops in 1945? So it’s all 1938 re the Jews? Surely Beiden knows better, even knows about the Nakba and the continuing brutal occupation and land grabbing, and Israel’s apartheid laws. Beiden’s the kinda guy who will ignore what does not suit his personal career advancement in his own eyes. He, Obama, Hagel, Kerry–are they all these sort of leaders for the 1%? Seems so. And looks like EU political leaders are of similar character. Nothing ever changes until there is a people’s rebellion, and then, it seems, that movement is taken over, again by careerists. And Dick and Jane of the World get screwed, regardless of anything.

      • We are seeing the flaws of appointing leaders through election and not even tempering the problems of that system with term limits. We end up with careerists who are concerned above all with advancing their careers.

        The ancient Greeks had it right when they said that election was not a democratic institution, but an aristocratic or oligarchic one, and that the democratic means of choosing officials was by lot, like for our juries.

        • @ lysias

          It goes beyond the problem of no term limits. 80% of former congress persons morph into lobbyists. The revolving door, along with the other one–Wall St’s.

  13. [Golda Meir said to me,] our secret weapon, Senator, is we have no place else to go.

    Golda lied.

    Israel’s ‘secret weapon’ is extortion and coercion, either by invoking the holocaust or utilizing money and weapons.

    In 1973 Golda called Kissinger in the middle of the night and told him that if the US did not send immediate assistance, then the third temple would fall, hence force Israel to use nuclear weapons.

    THAT’s Israeli extortion. That’s the Samson Option. The US has been falling for it at least since the USS Liberty incident.

    So to recap, Israel’s secret weapon is its ability and its agents’ ability to issue threats.

  14. It was at that [family] table that I learned that the only way to ensure that [the Holocaust] could never happen again was the establishment and the existence of a secure, Jewish state of Israel. (Applause.) … My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States. (Applause.)

    You know things are pretty f*cked up when the VP of the USA tells American Jews that they can never truly be safe in America…and they applaud his comments.

    • “”My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States. (Applause.)”‘

      Oh, but they do intrust it to an individual nation– the Jews of Israel are totally dependent on US for their security.
      Guess Biden doesn’t get the point of the AIPAC conference…even though he’s there.
      My wife refers to Biden as that ‘piece of furniture with cuff links’.

    • @ eljay
      And, conversely, you know things are pretty f*cked up when the VP of the USA tells all Americans too that because of their (innate jew-hating nature) Jews can never be safe in America…and they applaud his comments.

  15. By the way, the myth that a Jewish state keeps Jews in the US safe helps promote the idea that there is no Lobby in the US that exerts pressure on the American government and its people. That myth promotes the idea that it is an entirely separate, foreign and sovereign entity, whose friendship the US government values so much, that is behind these incessant best friend and ally claims.

    You see? They want you to believe that there is no extortion, that the Lobby does not exist, and this eternal bond between the two countries is born of shared values and strategic calculations.

    • @ Avi_G
      If, as Beiden said, it’s simple reality everybody recognizes, that Jews are not even safe in (noble) America, than it seems Beiden is saying the US government does not really represent the American people as a whole because they logically don’t value the Jewish state of Israel as best friend and super-ally as the US government does. That is, it seems, a confession by Beiden that the US is a democracy in name only.

  16. WTF is wrong with Biden?? American Jews wouldn’t be safe in the U.S. without Israel?? This is nothing short of public denigration of his own country, the one he’s the Vice President of! In a different world he would be called on it to explain himself & apologize. Alas, the Zionization of the political establishment of the United States of Israel is so profound that few will notice. NB: the bigger the over push, the bigger the eventual backlash.

  17. Biden’s father allegedly said:

    “My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation….”

    Okay, fair enough. And thus he was also presumably against us gentiles ever entrusting our security to any jews in any national security or indeed any important governmental post of ours, right?

    You gotta love the applause Biden got with this though: Militant American jews right on the brink of openly saying their secret heart which is their disdain if not hatred of gentile America.

    So first they spit on us as potential murderers, and then they cry “anti-semite” when notice and take offense.

    Nice work if you can get it.

  18. Aren’t these the same Zionist fascists who are whining all the time that “Israel is so small, and yet they still want us to give up territory!” (in reference to international law calling for the ending of the illegal 1967 occupations). But according to the AIPAC puppet Joe Biden; Jews IN AMERICA supposedly “can’t be safe” without Israel thousands of miles away! Little factoid, a single strike of a nuclear weapon would all but take out Israel entirely, so I think the United States of America serves as a much better supposed “shield” for a mythological situation that Biden and company are trying to imply that someone is today supposedly out to “kill the Jews!” (which makes Biden sound almost as “logical” as that vapid ignoramus Glenn Beck).

    These people seem bent on making claims that go far beyond even the sick propaganda industry that Norman Finkelstein throttled in his classic book of years back link to amazon.com

  19. “Senator, is we have no place else to go. We have no place else to go. (Applause.) Ladies and gentlemen, our job is to make sure there’s always a place to go, that there’s always an Israel, that there’s always a secure Israel and there’s an Israel that can care for itself. (Applause.) My father was right. You are right. It’s the ultimate guarantor of never again.”

    Nope, exactly the opposite, Israel makes Jews unsafe. So does the Lobby.

  20. Jews not safe in the U.S.A? Oh, please. Spare the crap Biden. You are not better than your Republican Opponents.

    I would be more concerned for those Palestinians, or just Arabs and Muslims in general who face attacks, whether they’re verbal or physical, because of the rising Islamophobia in the US! Why doesn’t Biden talk about that?

    Also Golda Meir says they have nowhere else to go? This is quite ironic seeing as herself, she was born in USSR and raised in USA. I mean, what about Palestinian refugees who have nowhere else to go because no Arab country will give them citizenship?

    American Jews do NOT need Israel to feel ‘safe’. This is one of the biggest propaganda lines of all time.

    Also yeah things are screwed up when a bunch of AIPAC Zionists applaud at the idea that they aren’t safe in the US.

    But there’s a lot of double standards here.

  21. Also it should be noted the danger of what Biden, AIPAC’s poodle, stated. As if it was actually taken seriously, it would imply that Jews cannot be trusted to actually be “loyal” American citizens because supposedly their ultimate loyalty has to go to the Tel Aviv regime (which couldn’t be more false)!

  22. “Jews can only be safe in the United States if there is a Jewish state”

    So which is it going to be? Florida, New York, or North Dakota?

  23. I’m so heated, man.. Someone should remind Biden that he’s a U.S. Vice President, not an Israeli one, paraphrasing Hagel.

  24. I think Biden’s father was referring to the Jews as a group that live in many countries rather than the Jews who live in America. America is a trustworthy guardian of its citizens and I do not think Biden’s father was denying that aspect of America, but as far as Jews being a world wide presence, they could not and should not trust America to protect them around the world. (Certainly such a statement in 1948 would have been appropriate.)

    • “I think Biden’s father was referring to the Jews as a group that live in many countries rather than the Jews who live in America.” Yonah
      Maybe his father was but Biden himself adds “like the United States”. Here:
      “My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States. (Applause.)”

      • >> I think Biden’s father was referring to the Jews as a group that live in many countries rather than the Jews who live in America. America is a trustworthy guardian of its citizens and I do not think Biden’s father was denying that aspect of America …

        I disagree for two reasons:
        - If America is a “trustworthy guardian”, it is a “good and noble” nation…which is what Biden says his dad would say Jews should not trust for their security.
        - Israel can’t protect “Jews as a group that live in many countries” any more than America can.

        A round of applause, please, for Joe “Fear-monger” Biden and his “if he were a Jew” pappy.

  25. Washington seems to be swimming in maggots. We have created a system, through our apathy and non-engagement, that only allows the maggots to ascend through the ranks and reach the top of the political ladder.

    Hagel, Biden, Obama, are all doing the squirming dance that our system now demands of them. It sickens me, and makes me ashamed of our “leaders”, our flag, and the collective ignorance of our fellow citizens.

    You here are anomolies, an infintesimal segment of the population that have bothered to inform yourselves beyond the pure unadulterated horseshit that our media force feeds us, ad nauseum, from the right and from the left, from the top and from the bottom. The optimism here is amazing to me, considering that you would be hard pressed to find a mind unpoisoned by the state sponsored and media marketed myths about Israel, if you venture beyond the confines of this blog.

    • @ blank state

      “apathy and non-engagement, that only allows the maggots to ascend through the ranks and reach the top of the political ladder. ”

      Ditto.

  26. apathy and non-engagement, that only allows the maggots to ascend through the ranks and reach the top of the political ladder.

    Agreed. I used to think that there was no hope for Israel, but judging by the Chuck Hagel episode and this episode, there is clearly no hope for Washington.

  27. This how the Jewish State makes Jews unsafe.

    link to forward.com

    Palestinians Pressured To Leave ‘Area C’ of Occupied West Bank by Israel
    In Nabi Samwil, a West Bank village of 250 residents just north of Jerusalem, elementary school principal Khalil Abu Arqoub must choose daily between heeding the orders of Israeli military administrators and upholding the well-being of his pupils.

    As part of Israel’s stringent building restrictions in this area, the toilet of the Nabi Samwil Mixed Basic School, which he directs, has a demolition order against it.
    So does the wire fence the school erected to separate the children’s play area from cars traversing the badly potholed road from the Tomb of Samuel holy site.

    “Where will the pupils go for their needs?” Abu Arqoub asked. “Are there people today who do it outside, on the mountain?”

  28. “Hagel, Biden, Obama, are all doing the squirming dance that our system now demands of them. It sickens me, and makes me ashamed of our “leaders”, our flag, and the collective ignorance of our fellow citizens.”

    Yeah, makes me wanna puke. It’s embarrassing, humiliating. I see no change because our government is for sale. #AIPAC 101–What every American Should Know
    link to vimeo.com
    (The AIPAC circus is in town once again!)

    The “Special Relationship” That Isn’t Because It’s Unique: link to veteransnewsnow.com

    If Beiden thinks no Jew can trust any government except Israel’s, the sole safe haven for Jews in an anti-semitic world, does he also think to himself he can’t trust any Jews because they don’t trust him or his country? I mean, if you know somebody, deep down inside, doesn’t trust you–how can you trust that person? Isn’t trust a two-way street? When it’s not, and one person trusts, and the other does not, which one’s the fool?

    So there’s Beiden, with his Irish blarney, chicklet teeth and plugs for hair, speaking for independent Israel to cement its independence on the backs of US and German taxpayers. If Israel is so independent, where would it be without all those US vetoes shielding Israel at the UN? Beiden, bragging about America being the sole vote against the UN doing something about those settlements clearly illegal under international law.

    And Hagel, all chummy with his Israeli counterpart, assuring him America will throw its own babies out with the sequester bathwater, but not baby Israel!

    And Obama, thinking of the poor little Jewish girls asleep in Tel Aviv when he looks in on his own girls sleeping away.

  29. Anyone who hasn’t done it should read the comments by Washington Post readers on Biden’s groveling to Israel. Nine out of ten of them are strongly opposed to Biden’s remarks. Among other things, they consider them embarrassing, ill-advised and disloyal to America.

    • All true.

      I am disgusted with that speech and performance by Joe “I hardly know you” Biden.

      I, unfortunately, expect more of the same from President Obama.

      I wanted to move to NZ during Bush. I thought I was granted a reprieve for my country last Obama /Biden term, but understood it might take a second for them to have the cojones to tell the whole truth wrt I/P. Seems they are unwilling.

      Disgusting in the extreme. Just what is it that makes Israel come before all other concerns on this planet???

  30. Since everyone here (exaggeration) feels that the United States should be sufficient for the needs of Jewish survival, all Jews in Israel should be given automatic American citizenship and then incentives to move to America. A reduced Jewish population in Israel will further the delegitimization. If Feiglin is willing to pay Palestinian families half a million to move out of Israel, wouldn’t an offer from some group here offering half a million per Jewish Israeli (or settler) family to move to America promote a wave of emigration and wouldn’t that help the cause. I suppose all those who write letters to the Washington Post opposing the groveling of Biden are the poor leftists who cannot afford such monies for such a cause.

    There are approximately five million Jews living in Israel. The chronology according to you people (exaggeration) is first replace Netanyahu with Meshal and then have the Israelis clamoring at the doors of America, so that you can get a good laugh and then you’ll decide what to do. Why not offer all Israelis american citizenship, so that the path for the Palestinian Morsi is prepared in advance?

    • Your attempted sarcasm (I hope!) aside, you really highlight the impenetrable circularity, danger, and resounding hypocrisy of Israels “Jewish self-determination” objection to Palestinian return. Given that objection and the way most Jewish Israelis treat Palestinians, why should any Israeli be allowed in this, or any other country, at all, ever?

      I ask that rhetorically, of course, because it would be the right thing to do (as it would be for any asylum seekers, like the 10s of millions of DPs from our various wars and fomenting in the region, who btw are NOT allowed in) should there be an actual physical threat. But the question remains, why should I want to even risk that observed collective behavior/disgusting influence coming anywhere near me or anyone I know?

      We have enough problems. Israel needs to solve its own problems (problems of its own making, I would emphasize).

    • @ yonah
      Why would America want to take in the religio-ethnic supremacists jewish Israelis? Did anyone in USA offer to take in the same ilk from apartheid S Africa? Or
      French colonials back in the day? Do America’s highest values and interests dictate that we should do so? How would that benefit America? Why do you think “Jewish survival as Jews” is a key value of America when its values have long publicly favored assimilation into the American melting pot, then salad, then stew? The queer thing is Jewish values, as implemented by Jewish Israelis, and funded by Jewish American donors and trumpeted by the core US main media, are not American values. Otherwise, would we have what the American Jewish Establishment advocates call “the silent holocaust”?

      • @Citizen – - The number of people in England who identify themselves as “Jews” has declined considerably over the past half-century. Silent holocaust? Or simply marrying or mating with kindred spirits?

        • @ James Canning
          You can google the phrase “silent holocaust” or “second silent holocaust” and answer your own question. Anyway, here’s one take on it re N American Jews and intermarriage: link to jewishpost.com

          And you might want to check out the birthright Israel program, mission too–a big favorite of mega-donor Sheldon Adelson.

    • @ lysias
      Beiden’s dad may have said so, the important point is this not 1945-48, this is 2013, and Beiden’s dad did not live long enough to tell his son what he thinks of what the Jewish State has done to the natives since those days, nor did can he tell Beiden what he thinks about AIPAC. Remember, Beiden’s daddy said, “If I were a Jew,” which he never was. The logical conclusion is that daddy perceived himself as an American First. He would not be happy with today’s hijacking of American foreign policy to benefit a foreign state at the expense of America’s blood, treasury, and reputation.

  31. Biden is a political hack. When Obama chose Joe Biden as his VP, here’s what economist Michael Yates had to say in the pages of CounterPunch

    “I doubt that we will get much from Obama to inspire working men and women, of whatever part of the country, of whatever age, race, or ethnicity. Now he has chosen a pathetic old hack, Joe Biden, to be his running mate. What exactly has Biden done for workers in his more than thirty years in the Senate? That a man who has been in this elite body (whose members’ stock portfolios have performed better than almost anyone else’s) this long can be called ‘working class’ by Obama himself tell us just how lame U.S. politics are.”

    So Joe Biden was just running true to form when he groveled before the Israelis.