‘Courage is Contagious’: Glenn Greenwald electrifies Chicago crowd speaking on Snowden, journalism and the NSA

Friday night in Chicago Glenn Greenwald addressed the Socialism 2013 conference live via Skype and reflected for the first time on what the past month has been like for him in the wake of his interview with Edward Snowden, and subsequent disclosures regarding the National Security Agency’s spying on American citizens.

Greenwald had been scheduled to address the conference live, but instead chose to appear via Skype out of fear of attempting to enter the United States following calls for his arrest. Greenwald appeared relaxed and gave the capacity crowd in attendance, in addition to countless viewers online, a rousing call to action in addition to revealing some soon to be published new leaks from the Snowden files.

The evening began with an impassioned introduction from journalist Jeremy Scahill who called Greenwald the “conscience of America” and took direct aim at Greenwald’s attackers in the press. Most notably Schahill commented on recent smear jobs against Greenwald in the New York Daily News and on BuzzFeed. With the crowd cheering Scahill ended, “To the dingbat factory that’s constantly attacking Glenn Greenwald — I stand with Glenn Greenwald!”

Greenwald then took over with a surprising amount of humor and candor. The first part of his talk was a personal reflection on how he came to meet Edward Snowden and how the episode has changed him. The title of this post comes from a conclusion Greenwald repeated throughout his talk in several ways – courage is contagious, the acts of one whisleblower leads to similarly brave acts from others. Greenwald spoke of being inspired by Snowden’s choice to come forward and his willingness to sacrfice whatever possibility he would have for a normal, secure life.

Greenwald also had a nugget to share with the rapt audience, a coming attraction of an upcoming report. He said that the NSA has new technology that enables it to redirect 1 billion cell phone calls a day into its database for collection and analysis. He promised there were many more disclosures to come.

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  1. Shingo says:

    Thanks a million for this Adam.

    This speech by Greenwald is better than any speech Obama has or will ever give, short of handing in his resignation.

  2. Citizen says:

    Absolutely inspiring! Love it! Let’s tweet, facebook, text, email this video to every American we can reach. “We are going to crash the NSA servers!” she concludes.

  3. Eva Smagacz says:

    Back to homing pigeons then, or to poste restante. This is scary.

  4. gloriousbach says:

    Is there a written transcript?

    • I haven’t found one yet. But firedoglake commenter Twonine posted a “rough transcript” of Jeremy Scahill’s introductory remarks at the diary I created there of the youtube of GG’s speech:

      I remember before Glenn Greenwald first broke the story of Edward Snowden and began to publish secrets that the state wanted to remain secret. Glenn called me and told me what he was going to do and he said, “I’m in Hong Kong and I am with one of the most extraordinary people I’ve ever met who is about to take a step over a line and he’ll never be able to go back from that line.” and he said, “I am going to spend the next three months of my life reporting this story and I’m going to do it whether major media outlets agree to publish it or not.” And Glenn Greenwald realized that he also was crossing a line and I commend him for his bravery, for his principle, and most of all for his refusal to let the caviar correspondents in Washington and those in power to change him even in the slightest.

      They’re trying to smear Glenn Greenwald right now. This is what they do when someone stands up and tells the truth. You think it’s a coincidence that the New York Times, the New York Daily News, Buzzfeed and all these other daily outlets all email Glenn on the same day asking him to repond to the same allegations about bullshit from ten years ago. If what they dug up on Glenn Greenwald — that’s all they got on him, they got nothin’. They got nothin’ on him. What I want to know is, who’s behind that campaign? What forces are giving this so called opposition research to these so called journalists? You know what I said when I saw that — and I don’t believe that anybody should be going after the personal lives of people, particulary whistleblowers and others and turning this into their little tabloid attempt at making it into a Kardashian-Kanye story, and trying to say that some dept that Greenwald had a decade ago has anything to do with the fact that he — his reporting is shaking the national secturity state. That’s why they’re going after him in this way. But let me go on the record as saying this. I think anyone calling themselves a journalist that does this, that takes this kind of action against another journalist, they should have their entire lives scrutinized by the public; and people should go after them. YOu should have a damn clean house if you’re going to engage in this type of witch hunt against people who have the courage to stand up and tell the truth.

      So in a moment when we have a war on journalism at home, a war on journalists abroad; when whistle blowers are being prosecuted in record numbers under the espionage act by Mr. Noble Peace Prize winning Democratic constitutional lawyer president; there’s a line that has to be drawn in the sand. And all of us, whether we’re journalists or we’re lawyers or we’re students or we’re teachers have to decide which side of that line we stand on. Either we stand with the whistle blowers and we stand with the journalists who are willing to put their own lives on the line, there own reputations on the line, subject their families and loved ones to this conspiracy between the government and their lap dog stenographers posing as journalists who want to come after us. You have to decide which side of the line your on; and I want to say very very clearly — particularly to the dingbat factory that’s constantly attacking Glenn Greenwald — I stand with Glenn Greenwald.

      link to my.firedoglake.com

  5. GOOD AUDIO OF GLENN GREENWALD’S ADDRESS
    June 28, 2013: Journalist Glenn Greenwald discusses The Guardian reports on NSA leaks and whistleblower Edward Snowden at the Socialism 2013 convention in Chicago. Greenwald appeared via Skype. [Socialist 2013]
    LINK – link to soundcloud.com

  6. HarryLaw says:

    General James “Hoss” Cartwright who is under investigation as a source for David Sanger’s 2012 New York Times article revealing the General was behind the stuxnet computer virus aimed at Iran, which escaped and infected computers around the world, the General is a suspect in that leak and could well be charged, Informed comment [Juan Cole] has listed 10 things the inside the beltway elite will not treat the General…
    1. No one will obsess about the exercise habits of Gen. Cartwright’s wife.

    2. Gen. Cartwright will not be characterized as “a 63-year-old hacker.”

    3. Gen. Cartwright will not be described as “nerdy” or “flaky.”

    4. David Gregory will not ask that David Sanger be prosecuted for espionage because he aided and abetted Cartwright’s leaking.

    5. We won’t get stories every day about where in McLean, Virginia, Gen. Cartwright is living.

    6. Gen. Cartwright won’t be accused of being a spy for Iran.

    7. No lurid stories will be rehearsed on the Sunday afternoon shows about Cartwright’s allegedly overly familiar relationship with a young female aide in 2009, with heavy innuendo as to what the episode said about his reckless character.

    8. No FBI informants will be placed inside the elite Alfalfa Club in DC that Cartwright was known to attend.

    9. Cartwright’s loyalty to the United States won’t be impugned by anchors or congressmen.

    10. Dirt won’t be dug up on David Sanger’s private life in an attempt to discredit his reporting on Cartwright’s Stuxnet.

  7. American says:

    Thank God for Greenwald!…..hard to overstate how courageous and brilliant this man is. In the years I have been following him what has stood out to me is he is totally ‘consistent’ about the law and the truth, no twisting or convoluting.
    I do believe courage is contagious….maybe more will follow his lead.

  8. David Samel says:

    Ed Koch used to host a radio call-in show in NY years ago. One day, a woman said she agreed with him 100% on everything, and he responded that she should think for herself and maybe agree with him 70% of the time, and that would be healthier. While I agreed with Koch far less than 70%, I thought there was a lot of wisdom in his answer and I have always tried to look critically at people I greatly admire and recognize where I had a difference of opinion. Glenn Greenwald makes that awfully difficult.

    Adam is someone else I greatly admire, but I do question his claim that GG “chose to appear via Skype out of fear of attempting to enter the United States following calls for his arrest.” If Greenwald indicated that, I missed it. Simply because there have been unwise and even idiotic calls for his arrest (though such an arrest is clearly not impossible) does not mean that Glenn decided not to come for that reason. If that is in fact Greenwald’s motivation, he would be accepting a lifetime of exile, and I think that would be bigger news.

    • American says:

      @ Samel

      I am thinking of a few Germans with foresight who exiled themselves from Germany and worked with the allies.
      There are always some individuals who are able to see where things are heading.
      ‘If Greenwald does have a fear of being arrested I dont think it’s at all paranoid considering what the insane regime at the top of the US has already done.

      • David Samel says:

        American, I did not mean to imply that any fear of arrest would be irrational. If I were him, I’d be worried about it. But Greenwald did not say he was afraid to travel to the US because of this fear, and elsewhere has indicated the opposite – that he has no such fear. I think Adam made a mistake in making that conclusion. All I heard was that he was unable to be in Chicago, not that he feels he must not travel to the US.

        • American says:

          @ Sam

          Yea , you right–what I should have said is Adam’s ‘surmising’ about Greenwald’s possible caution isnt totally out of the ball park on Adam’s part -all things considered.

      • yourstruly says:

        What does that say about America, when the actions of people such as Snowden and Greenwald are deemed to be equivalent to that of Willy Brandt, who, after self-exile from Nazi Germany to Norway (later Sweden) continued to struggle against Nazi tyranny? That America is close to becoming a Nazi state? That we’re already there?

  9. Les says:

    From Moon of Alabama

    Yesterday Glenn Greenwald gave a talk (video) to the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago. At 39:48 into the talk he says this (my transcription):

    Another document that I probably shouldn’t but – since it’s not published – but I am going to anyway share with you – and this one is coming soon – but you are getting a little preview. It talks about how a brand new technology enables the National Security Agency to direct, redirect into its own repositories, one billion cellphone calls every single day, one billion cellphone calls every single day.

    What we are really talking about here is a globalized system that prevents any form of electronic communication from taking place without it’s being stored and monitored by the National Security Agency. It doesn’t mean they are listening to every call, it means they are storing every call and have the capability to listen to them at any time. And it does mean that they are collecting millions upon millions upon millions of our phone and email records.

    It is a globalized system designed to destroy all privacy. And what is incredibly menacing about it is that it is all talking place in the dark, with no accountability and virtually no safeguards.

    link to moonofalabama.org

    • American says:

      Aren’t all these records stored at their facility in Fort Meade?
      Maybe we can get a movie out of this…’Glorious Bastards’ blow up big brother.
      Or we set up the walking dead or some zombies to take the fall for it.

  10. American says:

    The slime behind the smearing of Greenwald. Not surprising how they’re always ‘connected’ to our increasingly slimey USA Regimes.

    link to original.antiwar.com

    ”…….. as the Obama administration and its apologists flailed about, while Snowden – and Greenwald’s reporting – ran rings around them, the nasty stuff started. David Gregory, echoing Rep. Peter King (R-IRA), wondered aloud on national television why Greenwald shouldn’t be jailed forthwith – but that was just the beginning. A few days later, the dirt really started to fly with an article in the New York Daily News detailing Greenwald’s various personal, legal, and financial troubles, and I quote:

    “The reporter who broke the story about the National Security Agency’s secret surveillance programs has a little secret of his own.

    “Before he was a reporter and commentator for The Guardian newspaper, Glenn Greenwald was a lawyer — and had a part-time job in the porn business.”

    Glenn – a porn star? Well, uh, no, not exactly, or even remotely. But that’s the Daily News for you, a tabloid modeled on those British rags with screaming headlines over photos of scantily clad “celebrities.” After that lascivious opening – like a whore beckoning at the reader from a dark corner with promises of unimaginable carnal delights – the letdown is dizzying.

    It turns out the “part time job in the porn business” was a business relationship with a friend and a third party producer involving video distribution rights. Yawn. And it’s downhill from there: Greenwald owes back taxes, Greenwald has been involved in some lawsuits (he’s a lawyer!), and – last, and certainly least – one of those lawsuits involved a dispute with the Manhattan co-op he was living in involving the size of his dog, deemed “too large” for the co-op board. To Guantanamo with him!

    None of this is too interesting, except for its value as an object of near-universal derision: last [Wednesday] night and well into Thursday, Twitter users were riffing on a new hashtag, #ggscandals, mercilessly mocking the smear-mongers’ sheer lameness.

    Far more interesting than the content of this misfired dirtball is the dirtbag who wrote it, one Dareh Gregorian. Aside from being a low-level gossip-monger for the low-rent NYDN, he also happens to be the son of Vartan Gregorian, head of the Carnegie Corporation of New York, one of the major dispensers of corporate cash to various philanthropies and nonprofit outfits throughout the country. ………..”

    • Hostage says:

      ”…….. as the Obama administration and its apologists flailed about, while Snowden – and Greenwald’s reporting – ran rings around them, the nasty stuff started.

      The ringleaders in the Obama administration are running some other media circuses:

      OBAMA SUPPORTS PROSECUTIONS UNDER TORTURE CONVENTION, AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN AFRICA

      Human Rights Watch reports that President Obama, on his visit today to Senegal, praised the establishment of the Extraordinary African Chambers earlier this year and said that the United States would provide financial support. The establishment of the Chambers was a response to the judgment of the International Court of Justice, in a case filed by Belgium, that last July found Senegal to be in breach of the Torture Convention for its failure to prosecute or extradite Hissène Habré, the former dictator of Chad.

      While the prosecution of Habré is commendable, the whole business shows the hypocrisy of some of the supporters of international criminal justice. Among the most shocking examples of torture over the past decade are those attributable to the United States, at Abu Ghraib, in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo. Like Senegal, the United States is a party to the Torture Convention. Belgium was keen enough to go after Senegal but why is it not as aggressive when it comes to the United States? Instead of praising the United States for its endorsement of the Habré proceedings and its pledge of assistance, we should be reminding the world of the double standards that are at work. No wonder so many Africans ask questions about the validity of the international justice project.

      Prof William A. Schabas, link to humanrightsdoctorate.blogspot.ca

      • HarryLaw says:

        Poor little Belgium, when Rumsfeld threatened them over their universal jurisdiction laws by with holding funding for Nato operations and building projects and also warned repeatedly that the US would move Nato out of Belgium, they capitulated, amongst those cases Belgium was investigating was the Sabra and Shatila massacres, with Sharon, Rafael Eiten and Amos Yaron in the frame, the Belgium Supreme court had said this had warranted a full legal investigation. Gloating over his success at forcing Belgium’s compliance with questionable US conceptions of global justice, Rumsfeld said approvingly of Belgian obedience that: “Belgium has learnt its lesson: there are consequences to its actions.” Link here.. link to electronicintifada.net

    • Shingo says:

      Thanks American,

      Raimondo has done an excellent job of smashing these pathetic smears and Scahill said, if this is all they come up with, then they got nothing.

  11. German Lefty says:

    Just watched the entire video. Great speech.

  12. yourstruly says:

    As Greenwald states, actions such as Snowden’s and his can change the world, which, of course, is why the government is working feverishly to discredit them, lest their heroism becomes infectious. but will widespread awareness that ours is a surveillance state, that 1984 is upon us, that there’s no such thing as privacy, suffice to wake up the public? Yes, provided its response is that of mass outrage.

  13. Blank State says:

    Alkong this vein, there is an article in this morning’s Los angeles Times (front page about) an muslim american citizen unable to board an aircraft in Bankock to return home to the states. Seems he is on the “no-fly list”. They won’t tell ya why you’re on the list, and they won’t tell you who is on the list. When this guy was finally able to come home, after being detained for days at the Bankock airport, they confinscated all his electronics at the stateside airport. Lap top, phone, etc, saying theyt were “going to make copies. He has recieved no explanation for why he is on the list, and has no avenue through which to have himself removed from the list. Welcome to the FSA. The Fascist State of America.

  14. HarryLaw says:

    Only slightly off topic, but this remarkable speech in the Irish parliament by Clare Daly also features true courage, calling Obama a war criminal and hypocrite of the century, a must watch speech here.. link to youtube.com

    • yourstruly says:

      wow, what a dazzling orator she is!

    • wow, fantastic. and what she said about funneling arms to syria…

    • MRW says:

      Thanks Harry!

      I swear she sounds like my (firebrand) Gaelic-speaking Irish grandmother going off on the Brits, whom she despised and whose three centuries of activities in Eire ( as she called it) she could list like items in her fridge. I laughed outloud listening to her excellent takedown of Obama because it was SO reminiscent of my grandmother giving another one of her speeches waving her knife before she cut the fresh bannock. I sent the clip to all my family members just for shits and grins. Did you to notice the wry (but accepting) smiles on the two men listening to her? They were listening to their grandmothers and their mothers and their sisters, too. Lol. The Irish sense of injustice is ‘learned young’ at the kitchen table.

      Was it here or elsewhere that I read this the other day: Ray McGovern’s Irish grandmother described the rich elite as a bunch of crumbs held together by a lot of dough?

  15. Mayhem says:

    There is such amazing concern regarding the National Security Agency’s spying on American citizens.
    Yet there is little expressed about what might be the consequences of horrible events occurring that might be thwarted by such surveillance activities.
    Why are concerns about spying and privacy more important than the knowledge that we could be living in a safer and more secure society if potential threats are thoroughly monitored?
    Is all this hoopla really just about left-wing ideological principles that are held up as holy cows? Is it more about perceived indignity rather than actual damage?
    Surely the proper focus should be on the bad consequences if any arising from surveillance rather than surveillance per se.
    Information gathering is the name of the game and that may impinge from time to time on people’s freedom and privacy. A fascist state is NOT one that checks on what people are doing to subvert it – a fascist state is NOT one that holds high the fundamental principles of democracy.
    Got some better examples of national integrity than Britain, France, Germany, the US, Canada, Australia who all have security agencies that do what seems to bother a lot of people around here?

    • we could be living in a safer and more secure society if potential threats are thoroughly monitored?

      since every person is a ‘potential threat’ i guess what you’re saying is ‘screw privacy’.

      • biorabbi says:

        Annie, I agree completely. The no liquids/no shoes at TSA in airports was my last straw. I guess grandmothers and woman with vials of baby formula need detailed threat analysis. What a joke.

      • Mayhem says:

        For your information Annie, in Judaism life is valued above almost all else.
        Ergo it is a more important principle to preserve human life than privacy. From that it doesn’t follow that we have to get rid of privacy.
        You shouldn’t be worried about the NSA intruding into your private life Annie. Your periodic snipings at the state of Israel would not be considered a security threat.

        • in Judaism life is valued above almost all else.

          clearly that’s not an imperative for zionism.

          You shouldn’t be worried about the NSA intruding into your private life Annie. Your periodic snipings at the state of Israel would not be considered a security threat.

          you’re missing my point mayhem, there’s no distinction between threat and non threat if the NSA spies on everyone. if i was worried about my personal privacy i wouldn’t be posting on mondoweiss. any personal concern i might have pales in comparison to exposing israel’s apartheid.

          i’d be in plenty of company if they ever got so desperate as to come after me anyway. interesting you show such little concern for the chipping away of what’s left of our freedoms. drip drip drip.

        • Citizen says:

          @ Mayhem, consider what this former honcho in Stasi said: link to mcclatchydc.com
          You are either naive, or a simple manipulative hasbara agent. Your choice since we can’t read your mind.

    • Shingo says:

      Yet there is little expressed about what might be the consequences of horrible events occurring that might be thwarted by such surveillance activities.

      BS propaganda. There is not ONE single example of this system having thwarted any terror attack. It’s obvious what’s wrong with the picture… they claim to be fighting terrorists, but in reality, terrorists are too small a fish for them.

      This system is not about preventing terror attacks.

      Why are concerns about spying and privacy more important than the knowledge that we could be living in a safer and more secure society if potential threats are thoroughly monitored?

      Probably because no one believes that this system has or will assist in making anyone safer. As Greenwald has explained, and what should be evident to anyone with a brain, the Al Qaeda and terrorist types know they are being watched, so they will go to great lengths to remain off the radar.

      A fascist state is NOT one that checks on what people are doing to subvert it – a fascist state is NOT one that holds high the fundamental principles of democracy.

      That is a very revealing statement. As the other NSA whistle blower, Russ Teiss (who’s getting far less media attention) has revealed, the NSA has been targeting law makers (including Obama when he was a Senator), military leaders including General Petreaus, supreme court judges and even members of the Bush White House (like Scott McClellan).

      This is indeed about the STATE trampling on those who seek to subvert it. It’s about the state protecting itself. It’s got nothing to do with the security and safety of it’s citizens.

      As an apologist for oppression and domination, it’s understandable why the status quo might appeal to you,

      • Mayhem says:

        There is not ONE single example of this system having thwarted any terror attack.

        Seriously Shingo, when you make a remark like that your credibility = zero.
        Refer
        link to mi5.gov.uk
        and
        link to en.wikipedia.org

        • Shingo says:

          Seriously Shingo, when you make a remark like that your credibility = zero.

          Seriously Mayhem. when you swallow this shit without even questioning it’s credibility, you credibility = zero. Scrub that, your credibility has always been ZERO.

          Di d you happen to miss this?
          Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI ‘entrapment’ questioned
          link to guardian.co.uk

          Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
          link to nytimes.com

          The same crap is being pulled in Britain.

          Many of these so called thwarted terrorist attacks has been exposed as either pure propaganda. NOT ONE can be attributed to anything to do with NSA type surveillance. That’s what we are debating here, in case you forgot.

          How did the NSA surveillance help stop the the show bomber? It didn’t.

          Seriously, you never give up an opportunity to make an absolute fool of yourself.

        • Shingo says:

          More reality for the benefit of Mayhem

          Public Documents Contradict Claim Email Spying Foiled Terror Plot
          link to buzzfeed.com

          The ‘Making You Safe’ Lie
          link to original.antiwar.com

        • Shingo says:

          Here’s a great example,seeing as Mayhem’s first link is MI5.

          Exclusive: How MI5 blackmails British Muslims
          ‘Work for us or we will say you are a terrorist’

          link to independent.co.uk

        • Hostage says:

          Seriously Shingo, when you make a remark like that your credibility = zero.
          Refer
          link to mi5.gov.uk
          and
          link to en.wikipedia.org

          Except there’s no specific examples in either of those articles of anyone captured as a result of a communications intercept. You certainly can’t be counting people who were captured on board planes or subways with bombs that failed to go off?

        • amigo says:

          mayhem, why don,t you read the info before making a fool of yourself.

          Thanks for always proving us with a laugh.You are priceless.

        • MRW says:

          And I’m sure you’ve seen this brilliant exposé, Shingo, Its obvious Mayhem hasn’t. Hour long film, but if you haven’t seen it, worth every minute. Banned in US.
          link to personalgrowthcourses.net

        • Shingo says:

          Yes I have seen that doco thanks MRW

    • MRW says:

      Yet there is little expressed about what might be the consequences of horrible events occurring that might be thwarted by such surveillance activities.

      Spare me. Brian Michael Jenkins, the most respected terrorism expert in this country, reported to the House or Senate in November 2010 that terrorism in the US was far greater in the 1970s than now. And he had the balls to name Jewish terrorists as part of that 1970s grouping.

      I, for one, am tired of the Israelization of Gaza paranoia and apartheid being peddled in this country as something we should visit on Mexico and Canada border patrol and local law enforcement agencies. We were safer and more secure during WWII when the stakes were higher and the threats real.

  16. amigo says:

    link to newstalk.ie

    Apparently the US is spying on the EU.

    Snowden is about to get lots more allies.

    • Citizen says:

      Yeah, the Germans are pissed about this, from what I’ve read. I think it’s safe to say the Germans know what can go wrong with giving the government so much power over your life “to protect you.” Maybe German Lefty will give us a sense of how Germany is taking the Snowden affair, and maybe wrt Manning too? I know many Germans applauded the rise of Obama to POTUS. They may be having doubts now.

      • German Lefty says:

        I think it’s safe to say the Germans know what can go wrong with giving the government so much power over your life “to protect you.”

        Oh, that’s not the reason. We just value privacy. And we also have a different idea of what protection by the state means.

        Global Surveillance: The Public Must Fight for its Right to Privacy
        The British-American surveillance program Tempora marks a historic turning point. Unnoticed by the public, intelligence agencies have pursued total surveillance. Governments have deliberately concealed from the public the extent to which we are being watched.
        link to spiegel.de

        Anglo-Saxon Spies: German National Security Is at Stake
        Overzealous data collectors in the US and Great Britain have no right to investigate German citizens. The German government must protect people from unauthorized access by foreign intelligence agencies, and it must act now. This is a matter of national security.
        link to spiegel.de

        Maybe German Lefty will give us a sense of how Germany is taking the Snowden affair, and maybe wrt Manning too?

        link to spiegel.de
        link to spiegel.de
        link to spiegel.de

        Claudia Roth, chair of the German Greens, said on Thursday:
        “We really need effective legal protection of whistleblowers, in Germany and worldwide. Edward Snowden is not a traitor but an uncoverer who rendered democracy an important service. The USA should not prosecute/persecute* him.”
        link to cio.de

        Ralf Stegner, Social Democratic politician, said on Thursday:
        “Basically, people like Mr Snowden who reveal massive and abusive data spying should be protected from prosecution/persecution* and granted political asylum.”
        link to web.de

        * same word in German

        A reader comment that I just found: “It’s about time that the USA learns that they have to abide by the same rules as the rest of the world.”

        On the TV news, a reporter just said that US citizens have double standards regarding privacy. They expect and consider it normal that their intelligence agency spies on foreigners and foreign countries. They believe that the right to privacy, which is enshrined in the US constitution, only applies to US citizens. Apparently, they have never heard of international law and human rights that grant every person a right to privacy, regardless of citizenship or residency.

        I know many Germans applauded the rise of Obama to POTUS. They may be having doubts now.

        Oh yes!

        • libra says:

          German Lefty Oh, that’s not the reason. We just value privacy. And we also have a different idea of what protection by the state means.

          From someone who proclaims themselves as “Made in the GDR”, this seems a rather odd response to Citizen’s comment. But perhaps we are victims of a Cold War misinformation campaign and the STASI was really a data protection organization. And the Trabant was actually a great car.

        • German Lefty says:

          From someone who proclaims themselves as “Made in the GDR”, this seems a rather odd response to Citizen’s comment.
          I really don’t see how these two things are related.
          I was born in the East German state. That’s a fact. That’s my home country. Why should I keep this a secret? Pointing out that I am East German doesn’t mean that I approve of everything that the East German state ever did.
          By “we” I mean the present generations of Germans and the current German state. When there’s no reference to a particular time, then this means that I talk about the present. I don’t think that’s so hard to understand.

    • German Lefty says:

      Snowden is about to get lots more allies.
      I don’t think so, because we’ve already sided with Snowden before this EU spying came out.

      • amigo says:

        I don’t think so, because we’ve already sided with Snowden before this EU spying came out.GL

        I had the rest of the world in mind.

  17. ziusudra says:

    Greetings,
    Much thanks Greenwald, Scahill, Snowden
    for fighting neo-McCartyism.
    ziusudra

  18. lobewyper says:

    Greenwald doesn’t have much to fear regarding David Gregory’s suggestion that he should be prosecuted for leaking. I don’t think the US government wants to fool around trying to mess with the Guardian, which would also have to be involved if they try to go after Glenn.

    • Citizen says:

      Here’s Andrew Sullivan’s newly independent The Dish on Gregory and his ilk: link to dish.andrewsullivan.com

      A good brief analysis of just how and why Gregory and the other mainstream media “journalists” operate. We need less of that ilk, more of Greenwald.

      • Hostage says:

        A good brief analysis of just how and why Gregory and the other mainstream media “journalists” operate.

        It’s not without irony that torture and advising or soliciting torture (what many people would assume that Gregory was doing during the Petraeus interview cited by Sullivan) are war crimes triable by military commission, when those acts are committed by persons who don’t happen to be US government employees or agents acting on its behalf. — link to law.cornell.edu
        link to loc.gov