Israel’s new political face on Palestinian refugees: ‘we have been waiting… for more and more of them to die’

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An announcement for Adi Koll’s J Street event in Philadelphia. (Image: J Street)

On Tuesday, June 25th Israeli Knesset member Adi Koll spoke at the Jewish Community Services Building at an event hosted by the Philadelphia chapter of J Street. Koll is a member of Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party and perhaps best known for a recent Facebook post where she wrote, “There is nothing normal about life in Ramallah, and there is nothing normal about us letting this happen,” following a trip to the occupied territories.

Logic and prior experience could have suggested that there is very little new or unexpected to be gained from going to such an event. But finally having the luxury of time in the summer, I couldn’t resist the opportunity to hear from the MK who stirred up controversy over Facebook, and I’m glad I didn’t.

The newly-elected MK Koll started by telling us to lean in closer because the members of her party Yesh Atid “have a spark in the eye.” She proceeded to give the audience a short history of her new party and imparted some juicy gossip about the founder, Yair Lapid, and his daily beauty regimen. She talked about her involvement in the social “justice” movements sweeping Israel, concerned with everything from education to the cost of apartments in Tel Aviv, but strangely never their neighbors, the Palestinian people, living under Israel’s system of apartheid. She did reiterate that Israelis now just “ignore the Palestinian issue,” even as she claimed that 80% of them support the two-state solution.

As she finally moved to what we had all had come to hear her talk about, I could not help but begin to wonder what exactly that “spark” she mentioned actually was. As she described her recent trip to Ramallah, she told us that the Palestinians she saw in refugee camps around Ramallah do not want to go back to their homes. They would just be happy with a new apartment, she claimed, an escape from the desolation that she was so struck by.

In regards to the right of return– which she apparently thinks her Ph.D. in law from Columbia University gives her a right to adjudicate on behalf of the Palestinians to whom it is owed– she had this to say about the fact that Palestinian refugees in Ramallah now have children and grandchildren: “This is what we have been waiting for, for more and more of them to die.” My jaw almost hit the ground as I furiously recorded this statement in my notebook. I know that Israelis do not now even make an attempt to hide this kind of thinking, revealing Israel’s real intention to rid Palestine/Israel of Palestinians. I was not, however, expecting to hear something like this from someone who claims to be on the Left, even as distorted and farcical of a label we know that is in Israel. Looking around, it appeared that no one else was even perturbed by this statement.

In response to my question/comment (as an increasingly frequent moderator of Q & A sessions myself, I will admit that I skirted that edge) of how exactly this whole negotiation thing is supposed to work, given the fact that the Palestinian Authority is Israel’s puppet and Palestinians view it as an institution of their oppression, she didn’t have much to say.

I brought up the Nelson Mandela quote that you can probably find in many places along Israel’s Apartheid Wall: “Only free men can negotiate.” To that she responded with a rhetorical question of whether any of us are really free. She asked why the Palestinians don’t have something like Yesh Atid, why they aren’t doing anything to change their system. And this is where I had to detach myself.

For me, the event was yet another confirmation that a just peace will not come from inside Israel. The small minority of Jewish Israelis who stand in true solidarity with the Palestinian people will be crucial allies in helping this change come about, to be sure. But it will not come from inside Israel, no matter how many testimonies Breaking the Silence can collect. Koll is supposedly touring the U.S. as a representative of a new generation of Israeli leaders focused on the two-state solution, but Koll’s own comments make clear that there is no room in the Israeli political class for acknowledging and honoring Palestinian human rights. In addition, listening to Koll talk it is clear that Israel will continue to have zero accountability for anything that they do to Palestinians, even from the majority of the Israeli left. That’s the reality. That’s why Palestinian society is calling for boycott, divestment and sanctions of Israel. That’s why we need to stand in solidarity with Palestinians on BDS.

Before I went to Palestine/Israel with 33 other Americans with Interfaith Peace-Builders a few weeks ago, I would have been intimidated in that audience and probably would have lost my nerve to ask my question in the first place and call her out, rather than to raise my hand and keep it raised as soon as she finished her talk. I would have assumed that this would be a hostile audience and that I wouldn’t be prepared or able to back myself up. I would have left somehow feeling– however irrationally– single-handedly responsible for my fellow audience members leaving with their opinions and views on this unchanged. But that night, I left feeling pretty secure in knowing that the world is awakening to the fact that Palestinians are doing what they need to be doing by living, by existing and by asking the world to join them in solidarity in boycotting, divesting and sanctioning Israel.

Palestinians have been doing this for a pretty long time, too. And the world is finally beginning to listen. After the Israeli consulate official whisked MK Koll away, I stayed to give a young man working with a program that takes college students to the South to learn about Jewish solidarity with the Civil Rights movement info on how he could look up what the Dorothy Cotton Institute is doing.  He asked about black solidarity with Palestinians.

In the middle of that, a J Streeter came up to me to ask for my email address to meet up when I’m in Ramallah in the fall and he on a visit to Israel. He said he didn’t want to take a J Street tour of the South Hebron Hills but rather to meet and hear from Palestinians (He certainly shouldn’t have to visit me to do this, but it’s better than not meeting any Palestinians at all, I suppose.). If this was my experience at a random J Street event, allies in the struggle for justice and peace for Palestinians might be in the making all around us, in pretty unexpected places.

About Clarissa O'Conor

Clarissa O'Conor grew up in Lititz, Pennsylvania. She is now an undergraduate at the University of Pennsylvania, where she focuses on Gender, Sexuality, and Women's Studies and Modern Middle East Studies and recently started working as a birth and abortion doula. She will be traveling in Palestine/Israel in the fall, where she hopes to continue working in solidarity with Palestinians.

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  1. Ramzi Jaber
    July 1, 2013, 9:47 am

    Clarissa, this is quite astounding. But it’s the truth. All zionists (i.e. israeli jews) want all of my land. Many of the zionist ministers said out loud they don’t support a Palestinian state next to israel in the illegally colonized West Bank. Netanyahoo himself doesn’t want it, continuing to expand illegal colonies even when Kerry is visiting with him.

    There are two paths to solve this:
    1) the zionist regime to IMMEDIATELY declare that they decided to leave the illegally colonized West Bank to make space for a Palestinian state there and Gaza. Give a timetable for withdrawal (to be done in under 3 months) and start coordination with Palestinian forces right away. Once we have two states, we will negotiate a permanent peace.
    2) or, if the above does not happen (as it is extremely unlikely to happen), we will collectively march towards 1S1P1V willingly or not as it will not matter anymore if anyone agrees with it or not. 1S1P1V will become the only de-facto reality on the ground.

    So, to my dear Adi I say, it’s up to you to decide. Game’s up.

    • mondonut
      July 1, 2013, 12:30 pm

      Ramzi Jaber says: There are two paths to solve this:
      ===========================================

      Third Option) The Palestinians forego the non-existent Right of Return and their tenuous claim to Jerusalem and negotiate for a state on the remainder of the West Bank, which would include a simultaneous permanent peace and end of all claims.

      The alternative is indeed a 1S1P1V solution that will ignore both Gaza and refugees.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2013, 5:44 pm

        Third Option) The Palestinians forego the non-existent Right of Return and their tenuous claim to Jerusalem and negotiate for a state on the remainder of the West Bank, which would include a simultaneous permanent peace and end of all claims

        What about the 4th and 5th option Mondonutt – seeing as you don’t want to rule out the the saddistic options.

        4. All Palestinians commit a Jonestown type suicider

        5. All Israeli Jews go back to Brooklyn and Russia and give BS k the land they stole?

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2013, 7:11 pm

        “The Palestinians forego the non-existent Right of Return”

        Nakba denial.

        ” and their tenuous claim to Jerusalem”

        LMAO. They have a better claim to al-Quds than the Jews have to any inch of Palestine.

        “and negotiate for a state on the remainder of the West Bank, which would include a simultaneous permanent peace and end of all claims. ”

        Why would the Palestinians give the Jews everything they want while Jews aren’t giving up anything? Especially given that it is the political equivalent of them kneeling next to a pit while the zio holds a pistol to the back of their heads.

      • Cliff
        July 1, 2013, 8:30 pm

        mondonut

        the palestinian claim to Jerusalem is not tenuous and the right of return is legitimate while the Jewish law of return is bullshit

      • mondonut
        July 2, 2013, 1:55 am

        Cliff says: the palestinian claim to Jerusalem is not tenuous and the right of return is legitimate while the Jewish law of return is bullshit
        ==============================================
        Well put. Cohesive argument and presentation. Well done. But maybe you could expand on what the hell you are talking about.

    • MHughes976
      July 1, 2013, 3:56 pm

      They want the whole of your country because they consider it theirs. Zionism is the belief that Jewish people have a unique birthright in the Holy Land, shared with no one else, giving people who are Jewish, and them only, a share in sovereignty over the place. At this rate, the tragedy of the Palestinians is the sad fact of being born in a place where they have no right to be. The real tragedy is that all this is seriously believed and in some places regarded as no more than common sense.

    • Walid
      July 2, 2013, 10:14 am

      “All zionists (i.e. israeli jews) want all of my land. Many of the zionist ministers said out loud they don’t support a Palestinian state next to Israel… ”

      About the coveting over Palestine, Ramzi, some of your other neighbours were also into it around 1948; a Hachemite greater Syria, a greater Egypt and all that jazz. And it’s not only the Zionists that didn’t and still don’t support the creation of a state. Even the Brotherhood has turned its back on Gaza and is participating in the blockade.

      • Sibiriak
        July 2, 2013, 2:33 pm

        Walid, I appreciate your many unflinchingly realistic posts reminding us how Arab states at various times have worked against Palestinian interests.

  2. just
    July 1, 2013, 10:14 am

    The veil is all the way down now. What is most horrible about her horrible statement was the lack of any reaction by the audience (except you, Clarissa). They approve of the genocide and erasure of the indigenous Palestinians. It’s out in the open– will the US government pay attention now??? And Kerry spent hours and hours with Netanyahu– for what?

    Nothing, no justice, no freedom.

    1S1P1V.

    • Shingo
      July 1, 2013, 5:46 pm

      hey approve of the genocide and erasure of the indigenous Palestinians.

      Yes, they are not even trying to hide what a saddistic ideology Zionism really is.

    • john h
      July 1, 2013, 9:14 pm

      “It’s out in the open– will the US government pay attention now???”

      No, of course not, do you think they are sane and ethical?

      They are “joined at the hip” and have “shared values” with Zionist “morality”.

  3. Woody Tanaka
    July 1, 2013, 11:56 am

    “Koll is supposedly touring the U.S. as a representative of a new generation of Israeli leaders focused on the two-state solution”

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. She’s superficially different than the likes of Sharon, but put a pleasant face on a fascist and you still have a fascist.

    • marc b.
      July 1, 2013, 2:22 pm

      that’s about it. the photogenic ms. koll is literally the face of the new fascism. scrape away the crud of her clear skin and white teeth and you’ll find a mind and soul shaped like prunes and smelling like dog sh*t. (what was her former profession? sideline sports reporter for Beitar Jerusalem?)

      j-street. bletch.

  4. Citizen
    July 1, 2013, 12:23 pm

    Joke: “To that she responded with a rhetorical question of whether any of us are really free.”
    Always good to go when you have free US F-16s against Palestinian kids’ pebble throwing.

  5. gingershot
    July 1, 2013, 1:27 pm

    If there is one phrase that better captures the essence of the decades of Zionism – ‘we have been waiting… for more and more of them to die’ – I haven’t heard it yet

    Of course Israeli Jews have been more than happy to nudge that process along at all points along the line as well…

    • seafoid
      July 2, 2013, 1:16 am

      “If there is one phrase that better captures the essence of the decades of Zionism – ‘we have been waiting… for more and more of them to die’ – I haven’t heard it yet”

      That ultra cynical “Judenrealpolitik” mentality is in the DNA of the ideology but it cuts two ways. If the bots are waiting for the refugees to die there are others waiting for Israel to slip up. Because there is actually no legal framework to oversee the conflict. There is no accountability or anything. It’s just raw power.

      If you want to run that sort of logic you need to deal with the problems it throws up and Israel is incapable of that sort of strategic competence.

      I wouldn’t run Israel like that if I were in charge. I don’t think there has ever been a political entity on that land that lasted forever although perhaps Hophmi can correct me.

      • gingershot
        July 2, 2013, 9:03 am

        ‘That ultra cynical “Judenrealpolitik” mentality is in the DNA of the ideology’

        This expression of naked Judenrealpolitik is refreshing in a way – as sickening as it is – because the elaborate edifice of all we know of Israel can be so easily be summed up at this point, in crystal clear overview.

        The world can all recognize Israel for what she is now – we can all see that ‘of course this has been the core of Israeli intentions all along’ – to staave off the Palestinians she ethnically cleansed since ’48 until there are no living survivors of the holocaust – because then Israel can say ‘no one living today is being harmed, and the descendants don’t count’ (and Israeli Lobby cutouts in the US Congress have ALREADY passed Israeli-coordinated legislation to provide this foundation for coming Israeli claims)

        Koll’s statement also cuts like a knife thru the scum of meters of Israeli hasbara designed to remove the discussion of Palestine away from any ballpark where Palestinians and the world can ever doing something to effectively stop it.

        Israel IS ethnic cleansing – sometimes using ‘lobster in a pot being slowly brought to a boil’ and sometimes swift and vicious.

        Whatever it takes – whatever is POSSIBLE at particular points of time depending on whatever amount of (political/media) support provided by it’s Israeli Lobby agents in the US is available (even if near ‘full spectrum domination’ of the mainstream US political sphere/media spheres is what is available at this point – and that is what it TAKES to shield the Israeli Apartheid experiment from being dismantled)

      • seafoid
        July 2, 2013, 1:27 pm

        If they pull this off the rules are clear for the future.
        Saladin 2.0

        5 or 6 million people on that strip running apartheid. Forever.
        Imagine what sort of society they’ll have in 2050.

        And when the petrol runs out…

  6. hophmi
    July 1, 2013, 1:27 pm

    I advise your friend to go on an Encounter trip. And you to go as well, if you have the guts to actually try making peace rather than becoming another self-righteous Western activist, which is what you sound like right now.

    link to encounterprograms.org

    • marc b.
      July 1, 2013, 4:36 pm

      . . . rather than becoming another self-righteous Western activist, which is what you sound like right now.

      what is that you are exactly? you don’t live in Israel, do you? and does anyone really need an encounter with ‘encounter’ to conclude that waiting ‘for more and more of them to die’ isn’t part of good faith negotiations?

      • W.Jones
        July 2, 2013, 11:20 am

        What do you think about the “Encounter” program… Just curious.

  7. Sumud
    July 1, 2013, 2:12 pm

    A pretty face and an ugly soul.

    If this is a moderate Israeli you can imagine what the extremists are plotting.

    • Walid
      July 2, 2013, 10:30 am

      The pretty face with the ugly soul is repeating the words of an infamous terrorist that once said “We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.” He assured his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

      More infamy from the same man:

      “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Muslim regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” (David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff (From Ben-Gurion, A Biography by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978))

  8. LanceThruster
    July 1, 2013, 2:14 pm

    Don’t sugarcoat it. How do you *really* feel?

  9. kylebisme
    July 1, 2013, 5:52 pm

    To that she responded with a rhetorical question of whether any of us are really free

    Leonard Cohen did a fine job of mocking such superficial reasoning with his line “give me Christ or give me Hiroshima”, shame he seems happy to give Zionists a pass on it.

  10. David Doppler
    July 1, 2013, 8:04 pm

    So I’m stuck on the dissonance between Adi Koll’s apparently sincere facebook post expressing a deep pang of conscience over what Israel is doing to Ramallah, on the one hand, and her comments at J Street about waiting for them to die, and dismissing Mandela’s comment with “who is really free.” What explains her inconsistency? Was she speaking to a different audience (her Israeli “friends” to whom she’s arguing a need for change, on the one hand, and the American Diaspora, from whom she seeks continued support, on the other, completing the mission that brought her here?). Was she taken to the woodshed over her facebook comment, seen what will happen to her if she continues on that path, and is now back on the reservation?

    My overall impression of Yair Lapid has been a partially or weakly based revolt from the Netanyahu style “Iran has the bomb, vote for me or die,” that has finally worn out its believability, a group searching for other, more engaging political issues not on the existential threat fault line, and fell for easy liberal issues like housing, tax reform, salary reform, ceasing the subsidies and special dispensations for the Orthodox, as easy to reconcile with a general self-image as good progressive liberals, but without having to be accused of coddling terrorists.

    This dissonance seems to reinforce the idea that their thinking and values are superficial and reactionary to the obvious excesses of Likud, but without well-informed, or deeply-held contrary positions. She’s easily whiplashed into having her innocent liberalism shocked by reality on a rare unaccompanied visit to the West Bank, then having her innocent political outlook easily snapped back into line by some Israeli version of what AIPAC does to dissident Congress persons. Extensive “daily beauty” routines, indeed.

  11. kayq
    July 1, 2013, 10:37 pm

    liberal zionists are so gross

  12. Denis
    July 1, 2013, 11:25 pm

    “who claims to be on the Left, even as distorted and farcical of a label we know that is in Israel.”

    Uh . . . well, yeah. And in the US, too. The “Left” nominated and elected Obama twice, didn’t they? And he’s turning out to be both a distortion of every liberal principle he campaigned on and a farce on just about every level.

    Maybe it’s time to give up on the Left/Right thing. I did 40 years ago and doing so instantly doubled the number of idiots I see in the world.

    “For me, the event was yet another confirmation that a just peace will not come from inside Israel.”

    Nor from inside Palestine until they get their own internecine hatreds sorted out, Sunni/Shia, Fatah/Hamas, Ben/Jerry, etc.

    Here’s the way to get the change to come from the inside Israel:

    If 5 million American Jews “of conscience” were to exercise their “right of return” and do Aliyah (at least temporarily), that would likely be enough to:
    1. swing the Knesset to where it ought to be,
    2. force GoI to retreat to ‘67 borders, leaving all West Bank and Gaza real estate improvements to the Palestinians,
    3. elect a PM who lies out of less than two sides of his mouth, and
    4. elect a US president and Congress who will end US subsidies to GoI.

    IOW, the solution to this horrible situation is in the hands of American Jews of conscience – they didn’t cause it, but they can fix it.

    • just
      July 2, 2013, 12:54 am

      Not sure if there are any “internecine hatreds” amongst Palestinians– whatever rivalries and other friction and fractious behaviors are the result of the Occupation with all of its concomitant imposed horrors.

      (jmo– but the Ben/Jerry ref. was funny)

  13. W.Jones
    July 2, 2013, 12:15 am

    Excellent article and critique, Clarissa.

    Looking around, it appeared that no one else was even perturbed by this statement. Sometimes it is hard to judge by listeners’ expressions, but you were right on with your own reaction- to take notes. And a person used to watching reactions really can tell.

    I brought up the Nelson Mandela quote that you can probably find in many places along Israel’s Apartheid Wall: “Only free men can negotiate.” To that she responded with a rhetorical question of whether any of us are really free.
    So the point of her rhetorical question was to debunk Mandela, saying that basically his idea was a moot point from the get-go?

  14. W.Jones
    July 2, 2013, 12:30 am

    Basically, lean in closer because her political party is young and cool, they are with the social protests and have a beauty regimen. And old Palestinians dying is a happy moment they have been waiting for…

    In other words, it’s the same old school Zionist line, but with a new generation, ie. being pro-worker or pro-middle class, and also into exclusivism. (The two state solution by the way is also an exclusionary solution- however reasonable- to the “problem” of two groups in one land).

    (I didn’t get the spark in the eye thing though………)

    And isn’t J Street pretty similar to Yesh Atid and the old school Z line anyway….?

  15. flyod
    July 2, 2013, 8:30 am

    zio-cute. just another makeover

  16. piotr
    July 2, 2013, 12:24 pm

    ” She asked why the Palestinians don’t have something like Yesh Atid, …”

    One calamity that Palestinians managed to avoid, and she is begrudging even that. A party that boldly stands for nothing and has leadership selected strictly on looks.

  17. Ms. K
    July 2, 2013, 4:29 pm

    This is such a deafening echo chamber I don’t know why I’m bothering…But couldn’t it be within the realm of possibility that MK Koll’s comments were cynical and ironic, and indicative of what needs to change, and not literal? As a journalist who recently spoke to Koll in-depth, I cannot see how it would make any sense for her to advertise some ethnic cleansing agenda to a bunch of JStreeters, who, as far as American Jewish opinion goes, are pretty lefty (or why anyone would admit this kind of policy at all, but that’s another story). This whole account is just bizarre. Clarissa, I venture to say you went in with an agenda and heard what you wanted to hear, and while you are welcome to be critical of Koll and anyone else, exploiting people’s words is irresponsible and unethical.
    With that, I throw myself to the dogs.

    • American
      July 2, 2013, 5:37 pm

      ‘as a journalist who recently spoke to Koll in-depth, I cannot see how it would make any sense for her to advertise some ethnic cleansing agenda to a bunch of JStreeters, ‘…Ms. K

      Maybe….why dont you call her and ask her.
      BTW, we aren’t an echo chamber, the echo chamber would be hasbara brigade.
      We’re more like a well trained pack of guard dogs protecting our territory..which would be the US and Palestine… from the zios.

      • Shingo
        July 3, 2013, 5:17 am

        Maybe….why dont you call her and ask her.

        That’s what a journalist would do.

    • just
      July 2, 2013, 5:40 pm

      I don’t think cynicism or irony was even part of her comments, no matter who the audience……… she never said, “just kidding”. And the reaction of the audience is pretty telling.

      “Looking around, it appeared that no one else was even perturbed by this statement.”

    • Donald
      July 2, 2013, 5:45 pm

      “But couldn’t it be within the realm of possibility that MK Koll’s comments were cynical and ironic, and indicative of what needs to change, and not literal?”

      It occurred to me that it might have been sarcasm that came out wrong or was misunderstood, but I don’t know.

      As for the sentiment, if taken at face value wouldn’t this be the logic of what many Zionists would think in private, even if they didn’t say so publicly? As the years go by, the people cleansed in 48 are dying of old age. 700,000 or so were driven out. How many could still be living? Maybe she was voicing not what she personally thinks, but what she thinks the logic of Israel’s policy actually has been. Wait long enough and the older people who have lost their homes in 48 or in later episodes die off. If Israel would just stop stealing more land eventually they’d all die off–that is, the ones who actually got booted off their land. In fact, wouldn’t you have to be stupid not to have had this thought, if you’re a Zionist? Wait them out. Also, it’s a question of how the rest of the world sees it and to some degree the Israelis have already won, at least in the US. In the mainstream conversation here people only talk about 67, not 48, and even then they start off with the assumption that the Palestinians should be compromising on the remaining 22 percent. And now the NYT is claiming that if Kerry doesn’t get results, the US should just walk away. Of course they don’t mean stop supporting Israel, they just mean stop with the negotiating. So “wait for them to die off” is a strategy that is working, at least within the US context.

      Also, I imagine a lot of people on both sides of the conflict wish the members of the other side would just die off.

    • David Samel
      July 2, 2013, 6:38 pm

      That occurred to me, Ms. K. I certainly could have said the Israelis are waiting for them to die out, so her remark also could have been critical rather than proud boasting of such a venomous perspective. Not having witnessed it, I’m not sure whether I would have agreed with Clarissa’s interpretation. On the other hand, this bullshit about no one being truly free and the Palestinians not having their own version of Yesh Atid is a major turn-off.
      It appears to me that Clarissa is being honest even if mistaken. I wonder if Ms. K deplores the “dogs” of the “echo chamber” that “exploit people’s words” with willful misinterpretation of those critical of Israel. You know, accusing people who advocate full equality for all of calling for the “destruction” of Israel, etc. As a journalist, have you ever called them out?

      • American
        July 3, 2013, 4:16 pm

        ”I wonder if Ms. K deplores the “dogs” of the “echo chamber” that “exploit people’s words” with willful misinterpretation of those critical of Israel.”…Samel

        yea, as a proud dog I resent being called a echo chamber..the only majority consensus here is that Israel is wrong and zionism is bad…..other than that there are dozens of different opinions on what to do about both.

    • Denis
      July 2, 2013, 9:35 pm

      “This is such a deafening echo chamber I don’t know why I’m bothering…”

      I keep asking myself that, but some nonconforming thoughts do get through. Yours did, which was a very valid point. It would be a shame if Koll’s actual position got turned 180 in “translation.” She may be a very important ally in this fight.

      “With that, I throw myself to the dogs.”

      Well, I’ll tell ya’, K, you gotta’ get past the moderators before you can get to the kennel – and I ain’t namin’ names, but throw a stink bomb like that into this echo chamber and it’s likely to be interpreted as “Nabka-denial,” which is defined as any comment that is not sufficiently anti-Israel to piss off Michael Oren.

      Defending someone who is alleged to have said something horrible about the Palestinians is pushing it.

      But, the up-side is that your objective comment getting through suggests that MW has not sunk into a Richard Silverstein-style self-serving, my-way-highway-one-way monolog. Phil has waaay too much class for that.

    • Shingo
      July 3, 2013, 5:13 am

      This is such a deafening echo chamber I don’t know why I’m bothering

      So Ms. K,

      Seeing as you bothered, would you care to share where we can find examples of your reporting as a so called “journalist”?

      As a journalist who recently spoke to Koll in-depth, I cannot see how it would make any sense for her to advertise some ethnic cleansing agenda to a bunch of JStreeters

      Why when this is precisely the policy endorsed by Lapid – the so called centrist – when he launched his election campaign from an illegal settlement? Lapid was quoted as saying “let’s get rid of the Palestinians”. Let’s surround them with fences and check points and never have to see them.

      The question that you as a journalist should be asking is, why, in light of these statements by Lapid, did J Street invite Koll to speak at all? That is what strikes me as bizarre.

      I think it is clear you are the one with the agenda and can’t bear to hear what you have red from Clarissa’s account.

      With that, I throw myself to the dogs.

      Or you could simply debate the matter rather than skulk away.

  18. Donald
    July 2, 2013, 5:44 pm
  19. Joek
    July 3, 2013, 1:45 am

    I have always been suspect of the so called “Jewish liberals” , “the peace camp” ” the left” in Israel or in the states for that matter. There was always a very definite disconnect and double standard when it comes to Israel. A double standard so glaring only the blind could fail to see it. Tribal blinders prevent many from being able to apply a fair standard when it comes to treatment of Palestinians under Israeli rule.

    Now to the comment of hoping Palestinians would “die” off, it’s not surprising. Unfortunately for Zionists, the math doesn’t add up and never will . In fact, it never added up since day one of this experiment. So all this effort after 100 years of creating the “Jewish state”, the MATH still doesn’t add up. Despite incredible efforts to “change facts on ground”, the math grows more against Israel no matter how many settlements are being built. Zionist expansion is an illusion with temporal boundaries, not unlike the state of Israel. Settlement expansion doesn’t shrink the population of the Arabs or adds any Jews to the Jewish state. What is not being talked about – and is top secret are the actual numbers of Jews in Israel and rate they are leaving. So yes, the Jewish left are defeated because they have no ideas, no answer and no vision beyond tribalism. In that context, a quick natural death of all
    their enemies will seem like a nice fantasy. Why bother thinking outside the box. I just think her comments are telling and reflect the views of so many who call themselves liberals.

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