National Security Agency gives data on Americans to the Israeli government

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The National Security Agency (NSA) penned an agreement with Israeli intelligence in 2009 that delivered American data to the foreign country, according to a new report in The Guardian by Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Ewen MacAskill The latest revelations, based on documents leaked by former NSA employee Edward Snowden, reveal an arrangement where the U.S. hands over raw “signals intelligence” to the Israeli government—meaning that the NSA gives Israel metadata that the intelligence agency has collected.

The U.S. government memorandum of understanding with Israel published by The Guardian stresses the need for the constitutional rights of American citizens. It states that Israel cannot target U.S. persons, meaning citizens, permanent residents or anyone on American soil. But there are no legal enforcement mechanisms to make sure Israel doesn’t target U.S. persons. The NSA “regularly review[s] a sample of files transferred to [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] to validate the absence of US persons’ identities,” the document states.

Under U.S. law, the NSA cannot legally target U.S. persons, though the agency has done just that and has been castigated by federal judges for the practice. Documents released by the federal government yesterday show that a judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court criticized the NSA for accessing thousands of Americans’ phone data.

The NSA routinely swoops up U.S. persons’ communications in the process of targeting foreign persons. The NSA makes no attempt to take out U.S. persons’ data before giving it to the Israelis. Israel is allowed to retain American data for up to a year.

Under the agreement, the Israeli intelligence unit is allowed to to “disseminate foreign intelligence information concerning US persons derived from raw Sigint by NSA” as long as U.S. persons are not identified. Israel is allowed to release US persons’ identities to its “customers”–likely other Israeli government agencies–with the specific permission of the NSA.

And in another notable aspect of The Guardian article, the strictest limit placed on the Israelis concerns the collection of data from U.S. government officials. Israel has to immediately destroy any communication they obtain that comes from a U.S. official.

While the agreement was authored in 2009, this specific intelligence-sharing relationship between Israel and America dates back to the aftermath of 9/11, according to documents referenced by The Guardian.  A document states that “in the last decade, it arguably tilted heavily in favor of Israeli security concerns,” while also affirming that “the survival of the state of Israel is a paramount goal of US Middle East policy.”

It’s unclear if the U.S. shares intelligence data with countries outside of Israel and the countries that make up what are called the “Five Eyes”: the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

The U.S.-Israeli intelligence relationship is not without its snags, though. Israel spies on the U.S. routinely, and the U.S. spies right back. These tensions, though, have done nothing to impede the continuing close relationship between the two countries.

The latest Snowden revelation fills in more of the picture concerning Israeli links to U.S. intelligence. As Max Blumenthal reported in June, an Israeli intelligence firm “called Narus has provided the NSA with technology for almost a decade that enabled it to obtain and analyze at least 80 percent of communications made by Americans over online and telecom channels.”

Israel also has its own foreign intelligence collection program. As national security blogger Marcy Wheeler noted, Haaretz revealed in March 2011 that Israeli military intelligence units spy on left-wing activists abroad in an effort to combat the “delegitimization” of the state.

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  1. eljay says:

    >> The U.S. government memorandum of understanding with Israel … stresses the need for the constitutional rights of American citizens. It states that Israel cannot target U.S. persons … But there are no legal enforcement mechanisms to make sure Israel doesn’t target U.S. persons.

    Well, then, it’s a good thing the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel isn’t known for doing anything illegal or immoral… :-P

  2. gingershot says:

    This is the Snowden/Greenwald expose I’ve been waiting for…

    • Krauss says:

      It’s important, because it also underlines how one-sided the ‘relationship’ is. The documents basically show a parasite, Israel, feeding off on America. Obama penned the agreement in 2009 in order to sweeten the deal for a deal in the I/P conflict but of course he got nothing.

      He should cancel it, but of course he fears the lobby.

      It also wouldn’t surprise me if the info Israel gets and asks for is heavily racially profiled towards people of Middle Eastern background.

      Just like Israel wants the ability to racially profile people coming in from America but don’t want the same subjected to their own citizens.
      It’s simply beyond doubt that the ‘relationship’ such as it is, is more driven by the efforts of the lobby than anything else.
      Even the U.S. national intelligence states so. Numerous U.S. generals and intelligence specialists have said that Israel is a burden.

      Hopefully, the new anti-war mood can start connecting the dots. Why is America constantly dragged to war into the Middle East?
      Who is pushing for war in Syria, well, that’s AIPAC.

      Little by little we are squeezing those little traitors.
      One day we’ll be completely rid of them.

      • gingershot says:

        How can Obama explain how personal data on US citizens was not only allowed to the NSA but to a foreign country like Israel?

        This is just a whole new level of wrong and will surely help to tilt the argument over security vs surveillance in the US against the NSA and Homeland Security-Israeli agents

        I’m SURE Sen Joe Lieberman, Sen Feinstein and Rep Peter King are MORE than happy for Israel to be able to spy on any US citizen they want. This is like ….. treason

        I can’t see how this new expose doesn’t enter the national debate.

        Who the heck wants Israel spying on them – and our government having given Israel the OK to do that?

    • seafoid says:

      Now would be a good time to publish a book about AIPAC and Iraq.

  3. American says:

    I was just reading this in the Guardian…..look at the comments section—hot, hot, hot and furious!
    Outrageous.
    Burn Washington and Israel to the Ground and Start Over.
    How you like that NSA and Zios?… hope you’re listening!

    • miriam6 says:

      I was just reading this in the Guardian…..look at the comments section—hot, hot, hot and furious

      So you found plenty of the usual predictable kneejerk anti American/Israeli sentiment in the pages of the Guardian

      Big surprise (not) YAWN!!!!!

      • Elliot says:

        The Guardian has succeeded – where powerful players including US senators failed – in putting the NSA’s excesses on Washington’s agenda. The New York Times and The Washington Post have partnered with The Guardian on these stories.
        If you think your yawn will make this all go away you’ll end up sleeping through this bombshell.

        • seafoid says:

          Very hard for the hasbara brigade to bat this away.
          This goes right to the heart of how rotten the Israel/Beltway relationship is.
          Christian Zionists should wake up and small the coffee.

        • gingershot says:

          Here’s a good Guardian comment from ‘cmarie10′:

          ‘So essentially, the NSA is acting as an agent for a foreign state’

        • Theo says:

          “Christian zionist should wake up and smell the coffee”.

          Big chance! They are so brain washed and lulled into an exstase that they have only one thing in mind, the coming rapture!!
          Since according to the Bible it will come only after the creation of a jewish state in Palestina, they will not budge from supporting Israel.
          What a pleasure it would be to tell them, so that they also believe it, that the whole Bible is a creation of talented fairytales autors, and they are waiting for a bus that will never come.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        No; if you look you will find outrage that American’s private information is being given, by the US government, to an evil apartheid regime. Who knows what those criminals will do with the information.

      • RobertB says:

        WHAT THE CIA KNEW ABOUT ISRAELI WAR CRIMES AND DIDN’T TELL US

        The website reported that little hard evidence has ever been published to indicate that Israel possesses a stockpile of chemical or biological weapons. This secret 1983 CIA intelligence estimate may be the strongest indication yet.
        *
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        As Western eyes turn to Syria over chemical attack, American Intel reports that Israel stocked biological and chemical weapons in 1980s”

        ~~~~~

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      • ActivistGal says:

        @Miriam6,

        Are you serious?! This isn’t about knee jerk anti-American/Israel sentiment, this is about the fact that since these stories first broke, all the pro-surveillance nutjobs have been ranting and raving and shouting non-stop that Snowden has given sensitive classified American intel to foreign governments like Russia and China (of which there is ZERO proof) when in fact he went to a legitimate media outlet known as the South China Morning Post.

        The whole time, however, Uncle Sam has not only been handing over BILLIONS of US taxpayers’ money to a foreign nation state, he’s also been doing the exact same thing that Ed Snowden was wrongly accused of! It defies belief. And to top it all off, Israel (despite being a close ally) is deemed a state worthy of US cyberattacks and hostile to the US. And yet they’re STILL being given all this data?!

        If you still don’t get it, imagine having the State of Israel stand behind you demanding you drop your trousers and bend over, whilst secretly stealing that wad of cash from your back pocket. Cos I imagine that’s how most Americans are feeling right about now!

        • Denis says:

          You’re on it, A-gal.

          It’s like the gut wrenching irony of David Miranda’s 9 hour detention and loss of his computer at Heathrow. When Snowden was in the HK and Moscow airports, all the news-screws and politicians were outraged b/c China and Russia were going to confiscate his 4 laptops with US secrets. Well, they didn’t touch him, and he was in the Moscow airport for what — a month?

          But as soon as Miranda disembarks at Heathrow, the UK is all over him, and w/out a warrant.

          May the West drown in its own hypocrisy.

      • libra says:

        miriam6: So you found plenty of the usual predictable kneejerk anti American/Israeli sentiment in the pages of the Guardian.

        And who on Mondoeweiss is more predictably anti-American than miriam herself? Except when the US government betrays the privacy of its own citizens to Israel. Then, even more predictably, that’s perfectly all right for our hasbara harpie.

        • miriam6 says:

          Libra@;

          Your indignant replies to my comments grow ever more tenuous and without foundation

          My criticisms of America are about how it uses its vast power to the detriment of others

          That does not make me anti -American

          Except when the US government betrays the privacy of its own citizens to Israel. Then, even more predictably, that’s perfectly all right

          Your complaint is really rich given your out-of-hand – dismissal of my concerns about Israel’s security and therefore the security of the Israeli people potentially being put in jeopardy, on another recent thread.

          By contrast , when the interests of Americans are threatened you become indignant and defend those interests fiercely whilst previously dismissing the fears of Israelis including Israeli writer Dr Aaron Lerner , who raised the question of how Palestinian sovereignty even with temporary borders could endanger Israel, that their interests might be put in jeopardy

          link to imra.org.il

          More than a touch of hypocrisy there methinks

        • Donald says:

          “And who on Mondoeweiss is more predictably anti-American than miriam herself?”

          I don’t mind the “anti-Americanism”–when she bashes our foreign policy she’s absolutely correct. But there’s something rather peculiar about her–in this very thread she criticizes the Guardian for being anti-American and anti-Israel but in other comment, goes on about our crimes in Latin America in a manner worthy of Noam Chomsky. And then she feigns outrage over these crimes, as though anyone who actually cared enough to read about those crimes wouldn’t also know that Israel was heavily involved in these very same atrocities.

          The one commonality–she’s protecting Israel from criticism. There’s nothing else that makes sense of this incoherent mishmash.

        • just says:

          Well said, Donald. You captured the curious duplicity well.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “The one commonality–she’s protecting Israel from criticism. There’s nothing else that makes sense of this incoherent mishmash.”

          Yup. Hoppy is running the same scam. His posts are an incoherent mash, whose only commonality is the protection of israel from criticsm.

        • libra says:

          miriam6: Your indignant replies to my comments grow ever more tenuous and without foundation

          Indignant? Well miriam, I’m certainly indignant that you expect me to take Dr. Aaron Lerner and his ‘Independent Media Review Analysis’ site any more seriously than I take your comments. But that’s not to say I don’t appreciate your contribution to Mondoweiss. After all, an amusing hasbarist to brighten our day is a rare treat indeed.

          But to be serious for one moment. If Dr. Lerner really has you trembling about Israel’s future, let me try to allay your fears. I’m not a big advocate of an independent Palestine either. The time for that has passed. The future is a single, democratic state. So don’t worry, the prospect of a mighty Palestinian Goliath emerging to slay the tiny Israeli David is even less likely than your Australian visa arriving next week.

        • Donald says:

          “You captured the curious duplicity well.”

          And she came back with more today. More Chomskyite critique of US foreign policy , very harsh, basically accurate. And then she mocks whistleblowers. And not a trace of any acknowledgement that US support for Israeli crimes is similar to US support for Latin American thugs. Utterly incoherent.

        • seanmcbride says:

          Donald,

          miriam6′s and hophmi’s problematic social interactions (and generally bad social chemistry) illustrate the point that ethnic nationalists strongly tend to polarize the entire world against themselves — both universalists and ethnic nationalists from other groups. They have lost the argument before it begins — no one in this world, on either logical or emotional grounds, is obligated to support the ethnic nationalism of other ethnic groups. And the more that the miriam6s and hophmis of the world try to soldier and slog on, the more incoherent they become.

          Most people figure out these basic facts of life quite quickly — but some people don’t. Perhaps it has something to do with the intensity of their ideological (usually religious) indoctrination. They can’t think their way out of the simplistic box that has been constructed for them. They keep banging their heads against a wall.

        • Cliff says:

          Excellent comment Sean.

          ‘miriam’ and ‘hophmi’ and the rest of the Jewish far-right ultra-nationalists are little more than warped cultists.

          And you’re right – no one is obligated to support their ethno-religious extremism.

          Except that Zionists propagandize this supposedly deep, emotional connection between the US and Israel.

          There is none. The Zionist argument is based on hate. Hate of Arabs and hate of Muslims.

          When that hate is gone, Zionism has nothing else going for it to connect America to Israel.

          Christian extremists love Israel because they’re Christian extremists. You can’t love an apartheid State in the ‘right or wrong’ context without either hating/ignoring the people under the apartheid State’s rule.

          So without hate, Israel has no relevance.

          Example: the organized Jewish community in San Francisco or somewhere in Cali, protested a Palestinian CHILDREN’S art exhibit.

          Sympathy for the Palestinians is a big no-no for Zionists. Sympathy leads (rightly so) to delegitimization.

        • miriam6 says:

          Libra@:

          I’m certainly indignant that you expect me to take Dr. Aaron Lerner and his ‘Independent Media Review Analysis’ site any more seriously than I take your comments.

          Libra ,- do you in fact take ANY Israeli and their concerns for the future at all seriously?

          Well you see Libra, therein lies the problem with your stance.
          You refuse to take the hopes and fears of ANY Israeli seriously

          You prefer from the comfort zone of your perfectly safe and secure , heart- of -the – modern- day – empire- that is America to look down your nose and sneer at the worries of that small Israeli nation/ client state on the periphery of the American Empire whose population DOES have genuine cause for concern for their future security

          Let me remind you that the now occupied Palestinian territories were used by the Arab nations to ATTACK Israel.

          That could happen again, hence Israeli anxiety about the future status of the OPT as laid out by the likes of Dr Aaron Lerner.

          You claim the alternative to a two state solution is a single state.

          Even the Christian Palestinian activist Jonathan Kuttab admits, in this linked to article below , that a single state solution CANNOT simply amount to the sort of naïve 1S1P1V one state solution so often mentioned by various commenters on MW

          In this article Kuttab acknowledges that any proposed one state solution MUST take full account and implement safeguards that guarantee the SAFETY of ALL minorities , including the Israeli Jewish population, within any proposed single state.

          .. And although Jewish Israelis may control it now, birthrates suggest that, sooner or later, Jews will again be a minority in the territory.

          What happens at that point is unclear, but unless continued military occupation and all-out apartheid is the desired path, now may be the time for Israelis to start putting in place the kinds of legal and constitutional safeguards that will protect all minorities, now and in the future, in a single democratic state of Israel-Palestine.

          This is both the right thing and the smart thing to do.

          link to articles.latimes.com

          link to blogs.timesofisrael.com

          See also this article about supposed Israeli indifference to the peace process

          Also, it shows why Israelis will not embrace a so called zero sum game solution

        • Donald says:

          “Perhaps it has something to do with the intensity of their ideological (usually religious) indoctrination.”

          In some cases you’re right. But crazy ideology comes in all forms, including secular liberals who support gunning down unarmed Muslim Brotherhood protestors, or Obama lovers who leap to defend his every action, including drone strikes, using arguments that are virtually identical to those used by Israel supporters or even Bush supporters, yet these same people are passionate critics of both Bush and Israel. I haven’t seen any crazed Obama lovers here , but have at mainstream liberal blog comment sections. Miriam could argue with such people and actually score legitimate points, however incoherent her own position happens to be. It’s weird. Some people turn their politics into a form of religion.

        • miriam6 says:

          I’d just like to say before anyone else does

          I know I just walked right into it with the naming’ nuts reference

          I got there first!!!!!

          So do your worst I don’t care…

        • Donald says:

          “So do your worst I don’t care”

          Of course you don’t. You’re here to defend Israel from criticism–if that means attacking the US for the very same actions that Israel took in Latin America and excusing Israel, so be it. If it means sounding like Noam Chomsky on US foreign policy and then attacking the Guardian as both anti-American and anti-Israel, well, we know what that’s about. You’ll take both sides of an issue if that’s what it takes to discredit anyone critical of Israel.

        • Shingo says:

          You refuse to take the hopes and fears of ANY Israeli seriously

          Criminal sociopaths also have hopes and fears too, but within the scope of their crimes and culpability, they tend to be relegated. I am sure Charles Manson had hopes as fears, but so long as he was breaking the law, those hopes and fears were of no relevance other than to study his sick mind.
          Israeli hopes are by and large, based on myth, fantasy, delusions of entitlement and denial. Israel fears are based on the fear that they will be held accountable for their own crimes.

          Let me remind you that the now occupied Palestinian territories were used by the Arab nations to ATTACK Israel.

          Let me remind you that Zionist forces were already positioned in those Palestinian territories as they planned to steal them. After all, Israel were the aggressors in pretty much every war and they obviously launched those offensives from their side of the border – does that make Israeli territory available for conquest?

          In this article Kuttab acknowledges that any proposed one state solution MUST take full account and implement safeguards that guarantee the SAFETY of ALL minorities , including the Israeli Jewish population, within any proposed single state.

          You much take great pleasure in making a fool of yourself Miriam, because that is precisely what Israel assured the world it would be – a state that guaranteed the safety of all minorities – when it applied for membership at the UN. It them proceeded to violate every one of those promises.
          As usuaul you miss the complete point of Kuttab’s article, which states that the one-state solution is actually viable.

          Of course, you are doing what you do best, and ignore the elephant in the room, because Palestine is effectively one state already, albeit an apartheid one. That is why Neytenyahu is trying to argue for non permanent borders, because technically, he could argue that there is still a Palestinian state even if he ends up squeezing into the area the size of a postage stamp.

          The irony of course, is that while Kuttab argues that strong, institutionalized mechanisms will be needed to prevent the “tyranny of 51%.”, the Israeli public has revealed that the “tyranny of 51%.”is what they understand to be the meaning of democracy, so evidently, those institutionalized mechanisms do not exist in Israel.
          link to haaretz.com
          link to mondoweiss.net

          Also, it shows why Israelis will not embrace a so called zero sum gamesolution

          Yes, you keep pulling this hack piece out of your proverbial rear end even though the arguments it presents don’t support your thesis one iota.

        • Shingo says:

          And who on Mondoeweiss is more predictably anti-American than miriam herself? Except when the US government betrays the privacy of its own citizens to Israel. Then, even more predictably, that’s perfectly all right for our hasbara harpie.

          Superbly put Libra,

          You nailed this troll.

        • miriam6 says:

          Donald @;

          I actually posted that “So do your worst I don’t care”

          comment in relation to a link in the comment in question , linking to a comic excerpt from a movie in which a character drove his poor ole momma mad by ‘namin’ nuts’

          So therefore I soon realised after i had posted the comment that I was letting myself in for other commenters posting insulting comments saying stuff like ‘ yes, and you are a nut/ and or nutcase yourself..

          Y’see!!?

        • Shingo says:

          My criticisms of America are about how it uses its vast power to the detriment of others

          Yet, you a loathed to criticize Israel for using it’s power to the detriment of Palestinians.

          By contrast , when the interests of Americans are threatened you become indignant and defend those interests fiercely whilst previously dismissing the fears of Israelis including Israeli writer Dr Aaron Lerner

          Lerner is too think to understand the concept of sovereignty and how temporary borders and sovereignty are a complete contradiciton.

          Let me explain this one more time to you Miriam. If the borders are temporary and by temporary, I mean only in one direction, then the only side that actually enjoys sovereignty is Israel.

          More than a touch of idiocy there methinks

        • Shingo says:

          Agreed Just,

          Donald dissected this delusional harpie long ago. She bounces from nothing to see here, move right along, to coddling poor little Israel and keeps linking to the same BS articles from spiked online.

        • eljay says:

          >> … any proposed one state solution MUST take full account and implement safeguards that guarantee the SAFETY of ALL minorities , including the Israeli Jewish population, within any proposed single state.

          Of course it must. Just as any state MUST take full account and implement safeguards that guarantee the SAFETY of ALL its minorities.

          Just as the existing Israeli state MUST take full account and implement safeguards that guarantee the SAFETY of ALL minorities , including the Israeli non-Jewish population.

          But the Israeli state doesn’t do that, because the Israeli state is actually a supremacist “Jewish State”, concerned about what’s best not only for its Jewish citizens, but also for citizens of other nations around the world who happen to be of the Jewish faith.

          And because you’re a hypocrite and a Zio-supremacist, you’re okay with that.

      • American says:

        mir6

        I dont see the complaints as anti American at all, I see them as people fed up with the whole US trillion dollar ‘terrier and security’ insanity and industry and expressing their disgust with the government–what a good citizen should do.

        • miriam6 says:

          American@;

          I dont see the complaints as anti American at all, I see them as people fed up with the whole US trillion dollar ‘terrier and security’ insanity and industry and expressing their disgust with the government–what a good citizen should do.

          A typo by you surely?!

          Yes, I take your point , everyone , including me by the way , is heartily sick of the endless War on Terror

          God loves a terrier!

        • Theo says:

          Please American, do not bash a terrier.

          I have one, she is a very lovely bitch and truer to us as any human being could be. On the other hand terriers are great hunting dogs, (I do not hunt), your implication may be correct in that case.

        • American says:

          @ Theo

          no insult intended to terriers…lol
          had fox terrier as a kid, Skippy, smartest dog in the world
          one day my brother took him in his jeep out to the horse farm 25 miles from town and crossing a creek Skippy jumped out and took off in the woods like a streak chasing something
          we looked and looked for a week dawn to midnight trying to find him but no sign
          two weeks later was sitting on the porch very depressed over it and lo and behold coming around the corner of the street headed straight for home was Skippy–found his way back thru the woods across the highways without a stratch on him

      • kalithea says:

        Separate American and Israeli will ya? The Syria issue has proven that Americans aren’t necessarily interested in Israeli interests.

        Israel, AIPAC and Zionism are becoming very unpopular words in the American vernacular. Get used to it! Americans wising up to the financial burden and pain that is Zionism is your greatest fear.

      • Talkback says:

        miriam6 says: “So you found plenty of the usual predictable kneejerk anti American/Israeli sentiment in the pages of the Guardian

        Big surprise (not) YAWN!!!!!”

        I agree, Miriam6. It’s not surprising after what this rogue regmies have done and still do to humanity and international law.

    • OlegR says:

      Start with Washington …

      • miriam6 says:

        Start with Washington …

        LoL!

        Nice one OlegR

        Washington – headquarters of the ultimate ROGUE STATE!

        When it comes down to it America has invaded, occupied , illegally embargoed ,destabilised far MORE countries, including its neighbours, supported death squad torturers in Latin America, unseated democratically elected leaders like Allende in Chile more often than most Israeli leaders have had hot dinners.

        • just says:

          Ah, wonderful– now ms. miriam and Oleg are doing a “knee jerk” bash on America! Yeah!

          Ever heard “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”? “Israeli leaders” and their groupies have plenty of hot dinners @ the expense of many Americans and withhold all forms of sustenance from the Palestinians that you occupy! LOL. I smell desperation.

          As libra said above: “And who on Mondoeweiss is more predictably anti-American than miriam herself? Except when the US government betrays the privacy of its own citizens to Israel. Then, even more predictably, that’s perfectly all right for our hasbara harpie.”

          I’ve got plenty to say about our own leaders, but have never received a “hot dinner” from Israel……….I only get more dismay.

        • Donald says:

          “When it comes down to it America has invaded, occupied , illegally embargoed ,destabilised far MORE countries, including its neighbours, supported death squad torturers in Latin America, unseated democratically elected leaders like Allende in Chile more often than most Israeli leaders have had hot dinners.”

          Anyone actually concerned about all those issues would know that American support for Israel is part of that pattern. And if Miriam cares about death squad torturers in Latin America, she’ll also know of the Israeli connection to Somoza in Nicaragua and Rios Montt in Guatemala. Israel and the US worked hand-in-hand supporting mass murder in Central America–surely you knew that miriam?

          Here’s a link to google books get you started–

          link

        • Theo says:

          Mir6

          You are correct, it seems we have common practices with Israel, we both think laws do not apply to us.

        • Theo says:

          “don´t bite a hand that feeds you”

          Dogs know that, but not zionists!!!!

        • Cliff says:

          Miriam666,

          We Americans who comment on MW aren’t nationalistic cultists like you Zionists.

          No one here is defending American terrorism like you and OlegR.

          There is no hypocrisy. We reject American imperialism and we reject Jewish colonialism and nationalism and apartheid.

        • Talkback says:

          Yes Miriam6, like Italy envied Germany.

        • miriam6 says:

          Where exactly do you see me supporting American terrorism?

          link to mondoweiss.net

          You are throwing insults at me that make no sense at all and don’t fit with what I have actually said

          The very thing I am protesting is American terrorism in the form of drone strikes and the invasion of Iraq

          How laughable and ironic that you accuse others of being cultists

          You yourself and other commenters here worship the cult of BDS , you worship the cult of the saintly whistle-blowers without whom according to MW and the Guardian ( Saint Snowden , Assange et al ) and finally you worship the cult that is Mondoweiss

          You want to see an ardent cultist Cliffy?

          Just look in the mirror…

          Meanwhile, I think for MYSELF…

        • miriam6 says:

          You yourself and other commenters here worship the cult of BDS , you worship the cult of the saintly whistle-blowers without whom according to MW and the Guardian ( Saint Snowden , Assange et al ) and finally you worship the cult that is Mondoweiss

          I meant to say:

          You yourself and other commenters here worship the cult of BDS , you worship the cult of the saintly whistle-blowers without whom according to MW and the Guardian none of us mere mortals would ever know the *TRUTH* ( Saint Snowden , Assange et al ) unless we are spoon fed info by whistle blowers – and finally you worship the cult that is Mondoweiss

        • miriam6 says:

          Donald:

          Anyone actually concerned about all those issues would know that American support for Israel is part of that pattern.

          You have it the wrong way round here

          It should read subordinate Israeli support for America

          In your link alleging Israeli involvement it says the Israeli Foreign Ministry didn’t want to become involved with such a notorious tyrant as Somoza

          The two relevant sentences are these;

          the US government expected Israel , South Korea and Taiwan to chip in

          Why has Israel become involved in such a distant war?

          The CONTEXT being that Israel is / was attempting to become a client state of the US , that is to say that Israel wished to become a subordinate to American GLOBAL power

          However, Donald , this came about a full century AFTER America had sunk it’s claws into Nicaragua

          You attempt to argue I am incoherent won’t wash

          I am simply pointing out the proper CONTEXT of relations between Israel and America which you prefer to ignore

          That is that America is VASTLY more powerful than Israel

          America was vastly more culpable in Latin America than Israel

          And what a cheek that you bring this up only days after the fortieth anniversary of the US backed military coup against Allende

          All the dirty work of the American CIA

        • Cliff says:

          miriam666 said:

          You yourself and other commenters here worship the cult of BDS , you worship the cult of the saintly whistle-blowers without whom according to MW and the Guardian ( Saint Snowden , Assange et al ) and finally you worship the cult that is Mondoweiss

          You want to see an ardent cultist Cliffy?

          Greenwald, Snowden, Assange are all heroes of mine so I take that as a compliment. I wouldn’t say I ‘worship’ BDS or them though.

          And you COMPLETELY missed the point of my post.

          I am saying that we, Americans who comment on MW, do not worship the American State LIKE YOU AND OLEG, worship the Israeli State and Zionism.

          We do not justify ethnic cleansing and massacres and collective punishment and colonialism and discrimination and apartheid.

          We reject the justification for American criminality and the the perverse logic and hypocrisy of the ‘War on Terror’.

          Meanwhile, sadists and LIARS like you and the Russian fake, support Jewish colonialism and nationalism and terrorism.

          And what is it that you had against me? That I support a grassroots non-violent BOYCOTT tactic against your racist, apartheid, PARIAH country.

          That’s right, I do. Proud to do so too.

          Meanwhile a hasbara CLOWN like you brings up American crimes (as if any of your opponents defend them) as a SMOKESCREEN and DISTRACTION for Israeli crimes.

          Anything else for you to say? Going to hurt my feelings by saying I support BDS? LOL!

          That’s what I thought.

        • Donald says:

          “And what a cheek that you bring this up only days after the fortieth anniversary of the US backed military coup against Allende”

          This is illogical. I can’t tell if it is deliberate or not. It’s a necessary part of your spiel that you not acknowledge the simple fact that virtually every lefty who is critical of Israel and US support of Israel is also critical of US crimes in Latin America, critical of drone strikes, critical of the sanctions on Iraq, critical of the US invasion of Iraq and so on. When I said “Anyone actually concerned about all those issues would know that American support for Israel is part of that pattern.”, I meant the pattern of US support for human rights violators. Most lefties would also know that Israel was an ally of the rightwing Americans who supported the death squads in Central America–Israel could still aid them when Democrats in Congress cut their aid off. Citing the fact that some in Israel opposed their links to thuggish Central Americans (I didn’t even get into apartheid South Africa, another Israeli ally who some Israelis felt uneasy about) doesn’t change the fact of Israeli support, because we’re talking about what the countries actually did, not claiming that every single citizen of the US or Israel or even every official or politician supported genocidal killers in Guatemala. Your criticisms would only make sense aimed at someone who defended US actions in Latin America. So find one who does, but is critical of Israel and go after them. Maybe someone like Patrick Buchanan would fit the bill. Your criticisms would also make sense aimed at certain Obama supporters I’ve seen at other blogs, people who support anything Obama does, but don’t like Israel. I get into arguments with such people. Why don’t you? Find them. Good luck.

          But for someone who hates US imperialism, it’s funny that you don’t criticize US support for Israel as one manifestation of that. There is a perennial argument that occurs here, which I mostly stay out of, between the Chomskyites who think the US support for Israel is just part of our larger pattern of US imperialism (I think that’s mostly right) and people who think that support for Israel by the US goes far beyond what US “interests” (as defined by the people with power) actually dictate, so that it’s really mostly the Lobby that determines our policies there. (I think there’s a smidgeon of truth there, in that the settlement policy does nothing for the US, and yet we keep giving Israel support, but OTOH if Israel never existed we’d still be supporting dictators and military thugs like we do elsewhere.) You could jump into that argument if it pops up again. If you’re sincere, that is. If you’re just here for distraction purposes, you’ll keep right on doing what you’ve been doing.

        • Walker says:

          You yourself and other commenters here worship the cult of BDS

          This is like saying that the Civil Rights movement worshiped the cult of sit-ins.

        • Cliff says:

          miriam666 said:

          However, Donald , this came about a full century AFTER America had sunk it’s claws into Nicaragua

          Bahaha.

          Israel provided tactical support to genocidal Latin American dictatorships when the US could not.

          Israel traded in nuclear secrets w/ Apartheid SA.

          Donald is not a supporter of American terrorism as you are of Israeli and Zionist terrorism.

          End of story, troll.

        • Donald says:

          “Israel traded in nuclear secrets w/ Apartheid SA.”

          On South Africa, Tony Karon wrote a classic piece back in 2007 on its relationship with Israel that is worth reading. He’s not in a position to verify the nuclear charge, though mentioning it, but talks about the alliance–

          How the 1967 war doomed Israel

        • Donald says:

          “Israel provided tactical support to genocidal Latin American dictatorships when the US could not.”

          And here’s a link to an article in Tablet about Israel’s aid to the genocidal Guatemalan regime. Surely a person outraged by US support for death squads would also be outraged by Israel’s actions. Unless the outrage is just distraction.

          link

        • miriam6 says:

          Donald@:

          Donald posts yet another diatribe attempting to link Israel with as many foul ( and long gone )regimes as possible

          Well, actually he has only found about three so far..oh dear..

          His motive is to do as much as he possibly can to ignore the role and context of America’s vast power in destabilising practically every continent on this planet and simply go out of his way to demonise Israel

        • Shingo says:

          Where exactly do you see me supporting American terrorism?

          True, we see you supporting Israeli terrorism however.

          The very thing I am protesting is American terrorism in the form of drone strikes and the invasion of Iraq

          While you defend Israel’s drone strikes and invasion of Palestine, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon no doubt.

          Meanwhile, I think for MYSELF…

          Cultists think that too.

        • Shingo says:

          You could jump into that argument if it pops up again. If you’re sincere, that is. If you’re just here for distraction purposes, you’ll keep right on doing what you’ve been doing.

          Perfectly put Donald. Your patience is inspiring, but we already know what Miriam’s agenda is. After all, she won’t even admit she’s a Zi0nist.

        • miriam6 says:

          Shingo@;

          After all, she won’t even admit she’s a Zionist.

  4. radii says:

    it’s just formalizing the de facto situation … remember Carl Cameron’s 4-part series on Fox News (of all places) right after 9/11 exposing israel’s vast spy network?

    well, in those reports he pointed out that israeli front companies have since the 80s had the contracts for US law enforcement to do wiretaps and built in to the system were “back doors” for “maintenance” that effectively let israel monitor ALL electronic communication within the US … and now we are PAYING them for their Narus devices (probably developed with all the money we give them) to spy on Americans

    here is just Part I:

    • gingershot says:

      The Neocons/Israeli Lobby have just been so intricately involved in all of this – it’s like it’s Apartheid Israel uber alles and any American that doesn’t like that is subject to whatever Israel or the US can throw at them

      It’s kind of a splitting of our American government from the American people, with our government siding with ISRAEL against American citizens.

      I always had this distinct feeling from Sen Joe Lieberman, (esp around time of the Mavi Marmara when all those Israeli-Firsters came out saying any Americans on board should basically be PROSECUTED by American courts for ‘terrorism charges’ – or shot by the Israelis), that push come to shove Joe Lieberman would rather see AMERICANS prosecuted for trying to stop Jews/Pro-Israeli/Neocon Policies, including even CRITICIZING the Israeli government, and making that illegal and subject to hate crime charges

      My sense was that Joe Lieberman was basically for Jews in Israel and Jews in America and ALL the rest of American could eat **** and *** if it ever came to a conflict with the Tribe. Give Israel the keys to all Americans to make sure there aren’t any Anti-Apartheid agitations going on that should be prosecuted? SURE!!

      Why not tell Israel to just drop dead and make them request something they wanted from the NSA instead of GIVING IT ALL TO THEM?

    • Les says:

      Check out James Bamford’s “Puzzle Palace” and “Body of Secrets” where you will learn that Israeli companies owned American internet pipelines and Isreali companies owned the software to analyze the data in those pipelines. That some companies were bought by American companies did not mean that Israelis stopped being the ones doing that analysis. All that had to be done was to give these Israelis (rubber stamped) security clearance, (Edward Snowden), which even members of Congress do not have.

  5. irmep says:

    Greenwald cites a top secret NSA memo dated September 2007 with this gem:

    “The survival of the state of Israel is a paramount goal of US Middle East policy.”

    ….slotting in the definition of “paramount” it reads:

    “The survival of the state of Israel is more important than anything else; the supreme goal of US Middle East policy.”

    Sure explains a lot. However, most Americans would probably be unpleasantly surprised at that such a secret “Prime Directive” is being taken for marching orders in key federal agencies. There’s no accountability, and no effort can be too great if that’s the policy.

    Wonder when we all got to vote on that…. Musta missed it.

    • seafoid says:

      Israel is totally dependent on a bought Congress. It goes without saying that israel’s interests override the rights of individual Americans. But you won’t ever hear that on Fox.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “The survival of the state of Israel is a paramount goal of US Middle East policy.”

      No politician who believes this has any business being in office. The paramount goal of the US Middle East policy must be to maximize US interests. If that means that israel suffers, then so be it. Any politician who does not put the US first should resign.

    • MRW says:

      I wonder how many representatives and senators are sitting with their drinks right now somewhere realizing just how they’ve been so effectively blackmailed over the years.

      Remember back in 2003/2004 when you could send some site $40 to $150 and get the complete call record data for any phone number you supplied? (Cell phone call record data always cost more for some reason, like in the old landline days when long-distance calls always cost more depending on location even though all calls (local, intra-state, inter-state, and overseas) were a switch fee.) These sites operated for about a year until a public uproar stopped it. Well, say hello to my leetle friend, General Keith Alexander, protecting American interests.

      BTW, I’ve been writing about NARUS here at MW for years. The archive, however, shows January 2010 as my first time because the archive started 7/30/2009 or thereabout. NARUS has been in use since 1997, and it collects 100% of all communications, and did so from day one.

      Lastly, no NYT mention? How is our paper of record going to describe to Americans why the Israeli government needs data on Americans.

  6. RE: “National Security Agency gives data on Americans to the Israeli government”

    MY SNARK: Being a good, little Amer-Israeli, I have absolutely no objection. Absolutely none!

    • P.S. Boy am I glad that I voted for Jill Stein of the Green Party rather than Barack Obomber. I don’t think Ms. Stein would have been nearly as likely to “give away the store” (i.e., be a frayer*) to Israel!
      Obama seems to be little more than Israel’s sayan**.

      * SEE: James’ Journey to Jerusalem (Massa’ot James Be’eretz Hakodesh), 2004, NR, 87 minutes
      In the imaginary village of Entshongweni [probably somewhere in Africa], far from western civilization, young James is chosen to undertake a mission — a pilgrimage to holy Jerusalem. But Israel is no longer the Holy Land that James and his people imagined. When he’s suspected of trying to infiltrate the country to work illegally, James’s journey takes him through the cruel heart of our [i.e., Israel's] economic system, as he learns the tricks of the game [how to avoid becoming a "frayer"] and plays it toward an inevitable end.
      Director: Ra’anan Alexandrowicz
      Language: Hebrew (with English subtitles)
      Netflix format: DVD
      Netflix listing – link to dvd.netflix.com
      IMDb – link to imdb.com
      Massa’ot James Be’eretz Hakodesh (2003) – movie trailer [VIDEO, 01:38] – link to youtube.com

      ** FROM WIKIPEDIA [Victor Ostrovsky]:

      (EXCERPT) . . . According to Victor Ostrovsky, a sayan (pl. sayanim), Hebrew for “assistant”, is a term for a Mossad operative recruited from among the Jewish Diaspora to help the Mossad with operations outside Israel, utilising the capacity of their own nationality to procure assistance. A similar assessment has also been reported by a major British tabloid newspaper when it published ‘At any one time, up to 50 senior Mossad officers are based in Europe, running a network of thousands of agents loyal to Israel.’[2] . . .

      SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org

      • ziusudra says:

        Greetings Dickerson,
        If Hebrew was not spoken broadly as of 200BC, when the few in number
        of Judean descendents, who returned to Jurusalem in 456BC couldn’t keep it alive, turned to the major language of the different peoples in Falesteena being Aramaic.
        Migration to Greece of those that called themselves Sephardi also began
        in 200BC. Hence, the People of Judaism in Europe spoke no Hebrew until their return in the 1930s & 1940s, where they were forced by penalty to take it up.
        We know of the primitive stiltedness of old European languages in the 5th C AD .
        How did Hebrew come into modern use w/o having been spoken?
        Who or how was Hebrew modenized?
        What was the vocabulary count of ancient Hebrew?
        Is modern Hebrew laced with vocabulary of Euro. Languages?
        ziusudra
        PS I couldn’t grasp how we could revive Latin for use today w/o using the vocabulary of other languages.
        PPS Modern English as of 1475AD (Caxton, London) has 3 m. words of Germanic & Romanic combined. English was even created before the Anglo Saxon Invasion of 449AD!

        • Obsidian says:

          @zius

          My mother’s family, hence, emigrated to Jerusalem in 1811. They were religious Zionists sent by the Vilna Gaon, hence, to settle in Eretz Yisroel.
          Guess what, hence, language they used to communicate, hence, with the native Jews living than in Eretz Yisroel?

          These disparate groups of, hence, Jews communicated in, hence, liturgical Hebrew.

        • Shmuel says:

          My mother’s family, hence, emigrated to Jerusalem in 1811. They were religious Zionists sent by the Vilna Gaon, hence, to settle in Eretz Yisroel.

          Would they have defined themselves as “Zionists”? Were they nationalists? Did they believe in Jewish self-determination? Were they seeking to “normalise the Jewish condition”? Would they have been pleased with the way things turned out in Palestine? In what meaningful sense were they “Zionists”?

          Unless you are suggesting that Zionism was made by the Almighty on the sixth day of creation at twilight, you are merely engaging in historical anachronisms and posthumous conversions.

        • just says:

          All salient questions, Shmuel.

          Thanks.

        • RoHa says:

          “I couldn’t grasp how we could revive Latin for use today w/o using the vocabulary of other languages.”

          Here it is.
          link to ephemeris.alcuinus.net

        • Obsidian says:

          @Shmuel

          They were Perushim of the Vilna Gaon, sent to settle Eretz Yisroel and prepare the land for the return of Mosiach, which they believed would happen in 1844.
          This was not a unique occurence.
          Jews had been returning to Zion in significant numbers for centuries before the First Aliyah.

          link to haaretz.com

          Would they have defined themselves as Zionist? Yes.
          Were they nationalists? Well. This was the early 19th century and Europe was collapsing under the Napoleanic Wars, so no, they weren’t nationalists.

          See, the articles and books of Arie Morgenstern
          link to azure.org.il
          link to amazon.com

        • Shmuel says:

          Obsidian,

          I know that the Prushim are called Zionists (or “proto-Zionists”) by some, ideologically-motivated scholars (and the Israeli Ministry of Education), but that does not make them Zionists (or even “proto-Zionists”).

          Jews had been returning to Zion in significant numbers for centuries before the First Aliyah.

          Of course, but that doesn’t make them Zionists either. Zionism is a modern, European political ideology. Before the advent of Zionism, there were no Zionists. There were religious ties to the Land of Israel, pilgrimages of various durations, individual messianic beliefs and even messianic movements, but there was no Zionism.

          Would they have defined themselves as Zionist? Yes.

          Really? Can you point to any documents written by any of them at the time, in which they refer to themselves as “Zionists”, or anything other than religious Jews seeking to live as full a religious life as possible in the Holy Land?

          This was the early 19th century and Europe was collapsing under the Napoleanic Wars, so no, they weren’t nationalists.

          If they weren’t nationalists, they weren’t Zionists. The most basic definition of Zionism (even religious Zionism) is that it is a Jewish nationalist movement.

        • it’s so cool having you back shmuel

        • Shmuel says:

          Thanks, annie :-)

        • Obsidian says:

          @Schmuel

          The goal of all Zionists is the same, to gather the exiles to Eretz Yisroel, and live as Jews, free of oppression.

          Whether the instrument is Mosiach returned, or a spartan nation-State, is immaterial.

        • Shmuel says:

          The goal of all Zionists is the same, to gather the exiles to Eretz Yisroel, and live as Jews, free of oppression.

          Perhaps, but that is not a sufficient definition of Zionism. Indeed there are many Jews today (my Satmar cousins, for example) who share those very goals but would take umbrage at being called Zionists.

          Religious anti-Zionist literature (pre- and post-war) makes very clear distinctions between the ancient “longing for Zion” and the modern “abuse of the name Zion”. (Speaking of which, why did Zionism encounter so much opposition from religious Jews in the first place if it’s all about hoping for ingathering and freedom from oppression?)

          You would be hard-pressed to find such distinctions in texts written in 1811, for the simple reason that people usually don’t bother to distance themselves from things that haven’t been invented yet.

          Whether the instrument is Mosiach returned, or a spartan nation-State, is immaterial.

          Actually, it makes every difference in the world. Zionism is not equivalent to Jewish messianism (although it may include a messianic element). Sparta aside, advocating the creation/preservation of a Jewish nation-state (or at the very least, some sort of modern national consciousness) is a sine qua non for any reasonable definition of the term.

        • MHughes976 says:

          Over the years I’ve been suggesting as def of Zionism ‘the belief that all Jewish people – and they only – have a true and absolute right (latterly called a birthright) to a share of sovereignty in the Holy Land, others having a share only by such grace and generosity as the true heirs choose to show’. It is usually presumed by Zionists that much generosity will in fact be shown.
          No one owns words and others may want to define Zionism some other way.It seems to me that this def is convenient, in that only a belief defined along these lines could justify what has been done in the name of Zionism.
          I think a right that is to be vindicated only by God at the end of the world is not a right in the normal sense, ie something applying to the world. If you have a right in the normal sense, you must be entitled at least to seek ways of doing something to assert it here and now. But it is not normal – it verges on crazy – to think that absolutely all means of asserting a right are justified.

  7. Amar says:

    Sadly this will be a complete non-event in the MSM. It will be left to the likes of the Guardian or blogs to carry it.

    • Fredman says:

      Seems to be that way. With the exception of the Washington Post, none of the American mass media outfits are covering this story.

    • mikeo says:

      How right you are Amar…

      From the Guardian comment section:

      Rashers101
      11 September 2013 9:08pm

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      Here is a summary the US media’s reaction to the revelation that the US government is spying on it’s own citizens and giving that data, unfiltered, to Israel:

      New York Times
      Main Story is ‘Inheriting the Family Apron’ about young chefs. Other stories include ‘Can Emotional Intelligence Be Taught?’ and ‘Bad Dog’. Nothing on the NSA.

      Washington Post
      Main story is ‘Why couldn’t this baby see?’ about a baby’s mysterious blindness. They do have the NSA-Israel story buried deep in it’s technology section behind half a dozen other stories such as ‘Apple’s new iPhones: Do they compete?’ It has about 20 comments, most wondering why this isn’t front page news.

      Slate
      Main Story is ‘Fourteen Oddball Reasons You’re Not Dead Yet’. Also has the NSA-Israel story as a blog post inaccessable from the front page with 5 comments, most wondering why this isn’t headline news.

      Atlantic
      Main stories are ‘What Witchcraft Is Facebook? and ‘The Science of Snobbery”. Nothing on the NSA-Israel story.

      Drudge
      Everything from ‘Bikers vs Muslims to ‘One year since Benghazi attack…’ but no headline or link to the Guardian story.

      Salon (Glenn Greenwald’s old haunt)
      Has a story on ‘Why doesn’t NSA spy on Wall Street?’ but doesn’t seem to know that (a) it does and (b) it gives that information to Israel.

      LA Times
      Main stories are on 9-11 anniversary and Syria, but nothing on NSA-Israel link.

      In contrast, the Israeli media were all running this with banner headlines as soon as it was published. The BBC has nothing.

      Is it just me, or is there something very wrong here?

    • Elliot says:

      @Amar:
      Sadly this will be a complete non-event in the MSM
      NPR carried the scandal this evening. I don’t think this is going to just vanish.

  8. So I guess they’re not a foreign agent after all…they’re just the 51st state.

    (so why does it feel as if the US is Israel’s vassal state?)

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “So I guess they’re not a foreign agent after all…they’re just the 51st state.”

      Nah, then they would only have 2 Senators and a couple Reps. doing their evil bidding, rather than hundreds.

      “(so why does it feel as if the US is Israel’s vassal state?)”

      Because traitors, fifth-columnists and associated criminals have sold the US down the river to an alien state for no reason but a few bucks in campaign money.

  9. RudyM says:

    A bit redundant to share NSA information with the Israelis, no?

    link to businessinsider.com

    Nice how we repeatedly contract out the most sensitive operations to companies from the one amongst our supposed allies which spies on us the most.

  10. Most interesting is the part in the Guardian which state that Israel are a spy-threat to the US.

  11. gingershot says:

    Dear Mondoweiss – off topic

    Anybody have any update on the Arafat Polonium Investigation? – it’s getting very past due at this point

    Last I heard the revised/delayed date for the tests results were supposed to be done early June and the reports from the Swiss/French labs within at most a couple of months.

    I haven’t been able to find any updates on the internet

    Anybody have any idea if this story just died – or if there was just inclusive evidence or something – I haven’t heard that that was the case

  12. bilal a says:

    NSA has Senate House phone metadata: How does AIPAC control Lindsey McCain? Rubin crazy lady at wapo bays for blood. 9/11 anniversery recalls banned fox broadcast on 60 Israelis arrested post event, from twitter

    Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 4h
    NSA/Israel agreement governs communications of “officials of the US House of Representatives and Senate and the US federal court system”

    Justin Raimondo ‏@JustinRaimondo 20m
    Most disgusting comment on Twitter today: link to twitter.com … What’s wrong with @JRubinblogger goes beyond ideology. #crazylady
    Hide tweet

    Jennifer Rubin @JRubinBlogger
    Gun control, Anthony Weiner and Obama bombed last night. Damascus prob never will be.

    Glenn Greenwald ‏ggreenwald 5h
    NIE “ranked [Israel] as the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US.” link to theguardian.com
    View summary

    Justin Raimondo ‏@JustinRaimondo 26m
    @ggreenwald Am I really the only person who remembers this Fox News broadcast? link to youtube.com

  13. Alex it’s not just metadata. The article says metadata & content

  14. BillM says:

    The odious Joshua Foust is trying to run some damage control:
    link to joshuafoust.com

    He throws in just about every absurd argument, including:
    - We don’t even know if the MOU was really finalized, since the published document only has an Israeli signature (As even Foust must know, there is ZERO chance of one government signing an MOU before it is completely finalized)
    - The NSA later strengthened its minimization procedures (ignoring the fact that Israel is receiving unminimized data)
    - How much American data was actually passed along (yep, Josh, that’s not a response, that’s the whole point, we don’t know.)
    - Whether the program was subsequently reviewed or changed (he has no basis to suggest it was changed, but, you know…)

    Foust only left out the possibilities that this memo may be from a parallel universe, or that it might have been signed on opposite day.

  15. just says:

    I feel quite literally sick. This is beyond heinous and should be punished severely. And to think that we want Israeli miscreants visiting the US with their special status and NO visa makes me doubly sick.

    This unholy alliance needs to end immediately.

    (Thanks to Snowden, Greenwald, Alex, The Guardian and MW)

    A big no thanks to our government, the NSA and Israel.

  16. Frankie P says:

    Another red line has been crossed. I am left wondering how many more red lines need to be crossed before the US public bombs Washington.

    FPM

  17. gingershot says:

    This just makes me so mad…

    I wonder if this could be an ACLU case, a Supreme Court Case, or would take a repeal of the Patriot Act, or some special kind of updated DENIAL to Israel of this info

  18. Ludwig says:

    I’m not sure why everybody is so mad at Israel. The “Four Eyes” of Britain, Australia, New Zealand and the UK get far more raw SIGINT. This really sounds like a red herring to me.

    • just says:

      “I’m not sure why everybody is so mad at Israel.”

      You don’t? You aren’t?

      You must believe that Israel is our best, most helpful and caring ‘ally’………..that they are a wonderful help to us and would never, ever use this intelligence to do any harm to our government or our citizens.

      I happen to be ‘mad’ at the NSA, our government and Israel.

    • Sumud says:

      The “Four Eyes” of Britain, Australia, New Zealand and the UK get far more raw SIGINT.

      Australia and the US (and NZ) have a formal mutual defence treaty: ANZUS, though the US/NZ element has lapsed.

      Point is: Israel and the US have no such treaty. Anyone who refers to Israel as a US ally is lying to you – hasbara. Israel is a parasite.

      • Ludwig says:

        Hi. I think that antisemitic tropes like calling Jews or Israel parasites should be banned from this website. Please do not repeat that comment.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          No one called the Jews parasites. Sumud called israel a parasite. (it is). There is nothing antisemitic in that. Your libel of Sumud, by suggesting that criticism of that state is somehow antisemitic, should be grounds for immediate banning. Such attempts to squelch legitimate speech because some zio noob doesn’t like it has never been the s.o.p. here. You should refrain from such libel in the future.

      • Ludwig says:

        As I understand it, an MOU is an agreement between parties. So Israel did have an agreement.

        • lysias says:

          And a very one-sided agreement it is/was. It commits NSA to provide raw SIGINT to the Israelis, whereas it commits Israel to provide precisely nothing, merely to observe certain rules in handling the SIGINT that it is provided (with no enforcement mechanism to ensure that the rules in fact are observed).

    • Djinn says:

      Australia has paid in blood time and time again for their ally status with the US, when did Israel ever? What exactly does Israel bring to the relationship except for grasping billions which according to every Zionist it doesn’t even need because it’s an economic powerhouse and technological marvel?

  19. kalithea says:

    When Israel comes First; Americans come Second.

  20. kalithea says:

    When Israel comes First; Americans come Last.

    • just says:

      And the Palestinians come last of all…….arrested in the middle of the night, torn from their terrified and terrorized families and held in indefinite detention… and we help with our ‘special relationship’.

      ugh.

  21. Between this and Boxer’s Strategic Partnership Act, I was perhaps justified in donating to Mondoweiss using a prepaid debit card purchased with cash so that my future travel wouldn’t be limited based on my credit card transactions. Paranoid? Maybe, but maybe not.

  22. BradAllen says:

    For years people have been referring to israel as the 51st state, I think we should now be realistic and come clean, America has become an Israeli region. Congress belongs to israel, the president asks the Israeli pm’s help when he wants to make decision, NSA sends its data to Israel, American money is paid to Israel (I assume as part of the management fees that Israel charges to run America). So lets face it, soon, all Americans will have to swear allegiance to Israel. So, shalom you all.

  23. NickJOCW says:

    Even given the nature of the relationship it seems unlikely NSA would have offered this data to Israel unless they had been asked for it and/or instructed from upstairs. A thought is it may provide Israel with a running picture of a level of grass root vulnerability in the relationship and possibly serve to pinpoint certain areas of particular interest. It wouldn’t require complicated filtering to get that from it and over the years a pretty reliable pattern or trend line would emerge.

    Off topic but this interview with the Iranian FM is interesting, particularly the bit around 15. link to presstv.ir

  24. seafoid says:

    It’s important to remember how much more important Israel is than the welfare of ordinary American voters.

    link to zerohedge.com

  25. homingpigeon says:

    I just skimmed all the comments and got bored. I want to read the hasbarists and see how they spin this. Come on guys, where are you? We want to have fun and you need to earn your keep.

    • homingpigeon, that’s funny. this morning i was cruising the comment sections of all the msms i could find covering the story. the hasbrats are wayyyy outnumbered. even over at the blaze, that pit of disinformation, the comment sections were chewing up the hasbrats and spitting them out. someone said ‘i would rather have israel in charge of our spying’ and another said ‘we should turn the cia over to israel’.stuff like that. the latimes (they have two stories saying the same thing) had one poster claiming the the comments and the story itself was anti semitic.

      but basically all that fell flat. across the board, americans are appalled.

      • Ludwig says:

        What is a hasbrat? That’s like a rat and a person that does Hasbara mixed together?

        • it’s like a brat defending israel.

        • Elliot says:

          …it also carries a sense of last year’s fashion. A hasbrat is a has been.

        • Ludwig says:

          Why not just use proper names? Don’t say “Zios” and Hasbarats and “Ziocane” and people on my end will be less inclined to say “Palis” “Pallywood” and “Fakestinians”

          Food for thought. Consider it.

        • Food for thought. Consider it.

          hmmmmm not really. until such time as team hasbara comes out of the closet you’re all suspect in my book. at least we’re individuals without a script. check the text in that embed:

          As an aside, last year staff at Mondoweiss became informed/aware one of the posters participating on our forums at that time was using an ip address out of the Israeli PM’s office. One wonders what prompted the open announcement of these “covert” units at this time.

          and people on my end will be less inclined to say “Palis” “Pallywood” and “Fakestinians”

          people on your end partake, it just doesn’t make it past the mods here.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Why not just use proper names?”

          Yeah, I’m sure the commies and Nazis thought the same of their devilish ideologies, too.

          “and people on my end will be less inclined to say “Palis” “Pallywood” and “Fakestinians””

          Nonsense. You people use such slurs and libels because the core of zionism is racism and like all criminals, you’re trying to blame the victim.

        • Ludwig says:

          So you are saying that only on your side can you accuse Jews of running a secret propaganda agency that is cohesive and run from the Prime Ministers office. But at the same time only you are allowed to use derisive and hateful speech?

        • Ludwig says:

          Why not take it upon yourself not to say “Hasbarats” Jews don’t like to be compared to rats. So stop it.

      • miriam6 says:

        across the board, americans are appalled.

        Annie@;

        According to you Americans are appalled

        However polls show that the American public are , and are also quite prepared to continue to be singularly UNAPPALLED by the ill effects of American drone strikes on Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan , nor the fact that 4,700 people have been obliterated by those strikes

        In fact most Americans only object when surveillance drones are used to spy on Americans themselves

        What hypocrites you Americans are.

        MOST Americans for example , by a clear majority of around 65% , continue to SUPPORT American drone strikes abroad which have killed at least 4,700 people to date.

        A wave of recent polls show a majority of Americans support overseas drone strikes against terrorist targets.
        June 4, 2013 AT 5:36AM

        A Monitor/TIPP poll found 57% of Americans favor the current level of drone strikes targeting terrorists in foreign countries, such as Al Qaeda. Nearly a quarter supported the increase of drones overseas, while 11% supported scaling back drone use.

        A recent Pew Global Attitudes Project poll that surveyed 21 countries found that while most condemned U.S. drone attacks abroad, the U.S. was one of three where a majority didn’t. The poll showed 62% of Americans supported drone use; 28% disapproved.

        A Gallup poll from March also found nearly two-thirds of Americans surveyed supported drone strikes abroad.

        link to cir.ca

  26. Kathleen says:

    I think Israeli and U.S. intelligence have been sharing intercepted communication data long before 2009. That was basically what Fox News reporter Carl Cameron reported about soon after 9/11 in his four part report. That story was pulled from the shelves quickly. He reported that private Israeli communication systems had access to 95% of all Americans phone calls etc back then. That their system had been infiltrated through some back door.

  27. hophmi says:

    It amazes me how naive all of you are. The US routinely shares intelligence with its allies. What do you think intelligence sharing is, exactly?

    Are the lot of you really naive enough to believe that the US does not similarly share intelligence with other countries in this way?

    I can fairly predict the response of American people. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    • lysias says:

      The US routinely shares intelligence with its allies.

      Not raw SIGINT. Does the term “NOFORN” ring any bells?

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “It amazes me how naive all of you are. The US routinely shares intelligence with its allies. ”

      It may not bother you that the US government is essentially spying on Americans for an alien state (and an evil, racist one at that), but it’s a big deal. Oh, they’re giving it to Jews, so of course Hoppy doesn’t mind at all.

    • NCINA says:

      Hophmi,

      That’s what intelligence agencies do. A mere detail lost with these clowns. I’m glad it is sharing intelligence, that’s the least the Americans can do considering intelligence that was supposed to be shared that wasn’t, see Johnathan Pollard.

  28. Ludwig says:

    Please keep in mind that America spies on Israel on a massive scale. Israel did nothing wrong with the SIGINT and it is one of a handful of countries granted it.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “Israel did nothing wrong with the SIGINT”

      You don’t know that. Further, given their history, they’re just as like to sell it to some foreign government for its own devilish purposes. You can’t trust israeli government. Not about anything. If they say the sky is blue, check the sky.

    • RoHa says:

      “Israel did nothing wrong with the SIGINT”

      How do you know?

  29. bilal a says:

    Besides the NSA crimes, JTA has noticed Putin’s historical allegation of secular Jewish representation in the first Soviet government, and apparently their responsibiity for repression of religious jews and Christians:

    “I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

    Putin was referencing the library of Rabbi Joseph I. Schneerson, the late leader of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. The books, which are claimed by Chabad representatives in the United States, began being moved to the museum in Moscow this month.

    According to the official transcription of Putin’s speech at the museum, he went on to say that the politicians on the predominantly Jewish Soviet government “were guided by false ideological considerations and supported the arrest and repression of Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims and members of other faiths. They grouped everyone into the same category.

    “Thankfully, those ideological goggles and faulty ideological perceptions collapsed. And today, we are essentially returning these books to the Jewish community with a happy smile.”

    [JTA points a finger at Stalin, not Trotsky and Lenin, for the oppression of religious Jews and Christians in the first soviet government]

    Widely seen as the first Soviet government, the Council of People’s Commissars was formed in 1917 and comprised 16 leaders, including chairman Vladimir Lenin, foreign affairs chief Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin, who was in charge of the People’s Commissariat of Nationalities

    link to jta.org

    ‘The Jewish press.com’ refutes Putin, only Trotsky was Jewish, the others apparently not by religious halaka standards, although ethnic identity, not the religion of rabidly anti-religious Bolshevik leaders, seems perhaps more relevant to Putins’s remarks, especially in light of the zionist government’s record, every PM being a secular atheist (?).

    link to jewishpress.com

    The trajectory of the secular atheist Bolshevik to the secular zionist seems relevant since its foundation is an affirmation of nationalistic blood and soil memes:

    The pious, poor, ghettoized Jew—who presented a pathetic image of a man stooped-over and always at the mercy of his persecutors—had to be done away with. To build a state required something all-together different—a “Hebrew.” The early Zionists called themselves “Hebrews” and not Jews, and deliberately changed their German or Russian or Yiddish names to sound more Hebraic and nationalistic (for example, David Gruen became David Ben-Gurion. Shimon Persky became Shimon Perez). It was a deliberate attempt to create a totally new Jewish identity and rid themselves of any aspect of the religious, Diaspora Jewish identity…These early Zionist leaders knew of course that religion had preserved Jewish identity in the ghettos and shtetls of Europe, but in the modern Jewish state, they felt there would be no need for it. Of course the Bible would be used as a source of Jewish history and culture but there was no room for religion or ritual in the modern Jewish state.

    link to algemeiner.com

  30. gingershot says:

    Why Israel is different and needs to be singled out with this expose of NSA – the Brits aren’t running Jonathan Pollards and Larry Rosens against us

    ‘The sharing of raw intercepts with Israel is particularly notable because U.S. officials say Israel aggressively seeks to spy on the U.S. government, unlike Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, allies who are part of a long-standing agreement to share signals intelligence with the United States’

    link to latimes.com

    • hophmi says:

      “Why Israel is different and needs to be singled out with this expose of NSA – the Brits aren’t running Jonathan Pollards and Larry Rosens against us”

      How do you know? You don’t.

    • Ludwig says:

      All countries spy on all countries. America spies on Israel far more massively than Israel on America.

      • just says:

        BS.

        Prove it– got a link?

        • NCINA says:

          America spies on friend countries. That’s the nature of the beast.
          link to english.pravda.ru
          If that isn’t good enough feel free to do your own digging.

        • there’s nothing in your link supporting your theory ludwig. and ncia’s link doesn’t even mention israel or US spying in relation to israel.iow, lame duck diversion link.

        • Ludwig says:

          Annie, there is more substance in the link I sent you supporting my view than there is supporting the view that Israel uses raw SIGINT provided to it for nefarious purposes.

        • au contraire ludwig, there is nothing in your article that substantiates your allegation in the least. i was merely letting you off the hook before but if you challenge me i can hammer the pt home.

          the title says israel is a top target, (whereas the leaked docs say ‘key’ target) and the subtitle describes the content of the article :

          The Obama administration views Israel as one of the top spying threats, according to documents leaked by Edward Snowden.

          get it? considering a country as a top spying threat is not the same as a claiming ” America spies on Israel far more massively than Israel on America.”

          in fact, there’s nothing whatsoever in your article that even addresses how much the US spies on israel in comparison to how much israel spies on the US. if you think there is, blockquote it. you’re wasting our time. here’s your article:

          “To further safeguard our classified networks, we continue to strengthen insider threat detection capabilities across the Community,” reads the FY 2013 congressional budget justification for intelligence programs. “In addition, we are investing in target surveillance and offensive CI [counterintelligence] against key targets, such as China, Russia, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba.”

          you’re hypothesizing w/no supporting evidence.

        • Ludwig says:

          Yes and America is one of Israel’s top spying threats.

      • libra says:

        Ludwig: America spies on Israel far more massively than Israel on America.

        The last time the NSA tried, their spy ship was almost sunk.

  31. Erasmus says:

    It All falls in line : see Haaretz article of 17 May 2009

    It is quite interesting to read what Haaretz wrote way back in May 2009 on the subject of close US-Israeli “coordination” to be discussed with President Obama in the FIRST meeting Netanyahoo had in the WH after Netanyahoo election victory 2009:

    Netanyahu unlikely to back Palestinian state in Obama meet

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is unlikely to state support for the establishment of a Palestinian state when he meets with U.S. President Barack Obama at the White House Sunday, an aide to the prime minister said.
    However, in a bid to soften edgy relations with Washington, Netanyahu will propose that joint teams draft a new road map for the Palestinian peace process and a new strategy on Iran.…..

    Netanyahu’s aides said the preparation talks before the meeting were effective and no conflict was expected at the dialogue with Obama. ….

    Netanyahu will ask Obama to tighten the coordination between the two administrations in defense and state affairs, and to set up communication channels and joint work teams on the Iranian and Palestinian issues, a source in the prime minister’s bureau said. .
    …….
    . Netanyahu will also tell Obama that without dealing with Iran it would be difficult to advance the peace process with the Palestinians.
    He will ask Obama to coordinate the American-Iranian dialogue with Israel, and stress the importance of acting firmly against Iran should this dialogue fail. .

    link to haaretz.com

  32. Infuriating, but not surprising. Israel has been integral to NSA surveillance for a long time, and in fact provided some of the crucial hardware. Furthermore, a “mid-level employee, apparently with close connections to the country” — in other words an Israeli spy — stole the NSA’s “advanced analytical and data mining software.” and passed it to Israel. Unlike Private Manning or Edward Snowden, this actual spy was not prosecuted under the Espionage Act or any other law. His spying was just ignored, and treated by the NSA as no big deal. Indicating the complete immunity America grants Israel.
    For a detailed account of the NSA-Israel relationship, see:
    "Just One More Detail":American Surveillance And The Unanswered Question of Israel

  33. Israel claims to be an ally but is never in a position to join in the wars that are fought on its behalf. Does anybody really believe that the US would have any interest in Syria without the AIPAC crowd. I mean after all there active wars and insurrections all over the world but the US does not get involved. Burma, Congo, Philippines, Uganda,
    if you have not already done so please read the Meersheimer and Walt critique of Israeli lobbying. they were subjected to hysterical attacks from the usual suspects

    PS i came here as I kept getting my comments removed from the Guardian . they operate a very strict censorship policy ( the so called moderaion’ as they try to bat off the ever increasing number pf people who are sick to the back teeth of Israel, its lobbying and the whole plucky little Israel narrative