This is what an academic boycott looks like: Two new campaigns target conferences hosted by Israeli universities

Recent decisions by prestigious US academic organizations to support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement have sparked long neglected public discussion of the limits of academic freedom in the West, the deleterious effects of occupation on Palestinians, including university students and faculty, and Israel’s human rights abuses against Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line, not to mention African migrant workers, Jewish Arabs, political dissidents, and others.

divest1Among the recent decisions are the American Studies Association’s (ASA) December 2013 “Resolution on Academic Boycott of Israel,”[1] which was joined by the Council of the Native American and Indigenous Studies Association’s (NAISA) “Declaration of Support for the Boycott of Israeli Institutions” and followed the Association for Humanist Sociology’s (AHS) October 2013 “Vote to Support the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel” and the Association of Asian American Studies’ (AAAS) April 2013 “Resolution to Support the Boycott of Israeli Academic Institutions.” Even as the debate rages about these actions, under the radar of media coverage and backlash in response the ASA resolution, several active campaigns to implement precisely these kinds of academic boycott resolutions are well underway.

Two campaigns—a boycott of a Hebrew University Oral History Conference and a boycott of a Tel Aviv University Film/Media/Communication Studies Conference—need additional support from international scholars in any and all disciplines, to fulfill their potential to challenge Israeli policy.

Israeli government and public relations officials confirm that the academic boycott has altered the global political conversation about Palestine. According to The Jerusalem Post, Israeli MK Ayelet Shaked recently referred to the academic and cultural boycott campaign as “the greatest threat faced by the country.”[2] Israel’s attempt to forestall these developments are revealed by revelations that the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office has been funding “covert units” that pay students to engage in public diplomacy and promote Israel’s “pretty face” on social media, and by earlier reports that Israel advocacy groups have been targeting pro-Palestinian student groups in an effort to silence university-based criticism of Israeli policies.[3]

Such reaction has been instrumental in fomenting a backlash against the ASA, whose members have been asked to “urge university presidents, donors and government to denounce the ASA and sever ties with the organization.”[4] Yet the strength of the boycott position has prevailed. Although several universities have canceled their membership with ASA, the organization reports an overall surplus of new individual memberships plus several new institutional memberships.[5]

Academic boycott campaigns remind international scholars that Israeli occupation, including the discriminatory legal structures and international support enabling it, violates and often eviscerates the academic freedom of Palestinians. Haim Bresheeth and Sherna Berger Gluck strenuously argue for boycott’s primary disengagement mode, noting that since the establishment of Israel in 1948, with its illegal occupation and settlement of Palestinian land, “not once did Israeli faculty unions or the university senates call for reopening of Palestinian universities, or for the restitution of academic freedom in Palestine.”[6] Likewise documenting unequal Palestinian access to education and academic freedom, testimonials from Palestinian students and faculty demonstrate the direct complicity of Israeli universities in human rights and international law violations.

We encourage scholars across all disciplines to seek out new opportunities to endorse and actively participate in the boycott of Israeli academic institutions, for instance by declining to participate in conferences hosted by these institutions. In fact, you have an opportunity right now to join the two current internationally endorsed campaigns. We especially invite additional support from interdisciplinary humanities scholars, particularly in Oral History and Film/Media/Communication Studies.

Please join the campaign to boycott the June 2014 ‘International’ Oral History Conference being organized by The Oral History Division of the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry, at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Although the two international scholars scheduled to deliver keynote addresses at the conference have cancelled their talks, the campaign has a goal to reach and even exceed 500 signatures in order to dissuade other oral historians from participating. [For French and Spanish language versions, please visit: http://www.aurdip.org/Campaign-to-Boycott-the-Oral.html.]

Please join the campaign to boycott the June 2014 “10th International Tel Aviv Colloquium on Cinema and Television Studies: Cinematic Traces of Things to Come” conference sponsored by Tel Aviv University. [For a French language version, please visit: http://www.aurdip.org/Boycott-Israeli-Cinema-and-TV.html.]

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1. Read the ASA National Council Statement and background on the ASA resolution here: http://www.theasa.net/from_the_editors/item/council_statement_on_the_academic_boycott_of_israel_resolution/
2. Shaked is chairwoman of the Bayit Yehudi party. Also see Electronic Intifada’s coverage of this story at: http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/boycott-greatest-threat-facing-israel-leaders-say
3. http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israels-pretty-face-how-national-union-israeli-students-does-governments; http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.541142; http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/letter-reveals-standwithus-bullying-socal-chinese-center-over-palestine
4. http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lobby-launches-fierce-counterattack-against-american-studies-association
5. John Stephens, the executive director of the association, told Times Higher Education “that three universities have joined as institutional members since the boycott resolution was approved on 17 December. In terms of individual memberships, only four people have submitted letters of resignation, while 63 new members have joined the ASA.” http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/inside-higher-ed-israel-boycott-row-intensifies/2010213.article
6. http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/20/on-the-fallacy-of-engaging-with-the-israeli-academy/

About U.S. Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel

Terri Ginsberg is a film scholar and Palestine solidarity activist based in New York City. She is co-author of Historical Dictionary of Middle Eastern Cinema (2010), author of Holocaust Film: The Political Aesthetics of Ideology (2007), and co-editor of A Companion to German Cinema (2012).
Posted in Activism, BDS, Israel/Palestine

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  1. hophmi says:

    LOL. You’re boycotting an event at Hebrew University where one of the keynote addresses will be “Oral history as a source for history of the Nakbah: The survival of Palestinians in Israel as a case study” by Dr. Adel Manna, a Palestinian-Israeli who works for Palestinian rights inside of Israel. link to hum.huji.ac.il

    Of course, that fact is nowhere in your boycott call.

    I agree; given the views of people here, it makes all the sense in the world to boycott an event addressing the Nakba at an Israeli university featuring a prominent Palestinian scholar. Your choice to do this combines your ignorance of reality, your disingenuousness, and your hatred of peace.

    • piotr says:

      For hatred of peace read any commentary in JP or most of commentaries in other Israeli media. Or complaints voiced in Zionist circles, with applause, that we do not precede negotiations with Iran with a thermonuclear attack. And contrary to your hysterical remarks, Dr. Manna is not silenced by the boycott of the event.

      • hophmi says:

        “For hatred of peace read any commentary in JP or most of commentaries in other Israeli media. Or complaints voiced in Zionist circles, with applause, that we do not precede negotiations with Iran with a thermonuclear attack. And contrary to your hysterical remarks, Dr. Manna is not silenced by the boycott of the event.”

        I didn’t say that a boycott would silence him. I just think this is a particularly interesting example of how the boycott movement is self-defeating and disingenuous, to say the least.

        • Hostage says:

          I didn’t say that a boycott would silence him. I just think this is a particularly interesting example of how the boycott movement is self-defeating and disingenuous, to say the least.

          Without putting too fine a point on it, we don’t boycott individuals, just institutions. You are talking about a keynote speech for one of the institutions in question.

          If you are interested in the views of Adel Manna’ you can always purchase his books or subscribe to the The Van Leer Jerusalem Institute newsletters. link to vanleer.org.il

          You can get a good idea from just reading his journal articles published by the Institute for Palestine Studies (IPS), like “From Seferberlik to the Nakba: A Personal Account of the Life of Zahra al-Ja’uniyya
          link to jerusalemquarterly.org

          • miriam6 says:

            Without putting too fine a point on it, we don’t boycott individuals, just institutions.

            Utter B.S.

            Hostage – I think you will find that those institutions are made up of INDIVIDUALS.

            So actually B.D.S IS in the business of boycotting individuals..

          • hophmi says:

            “Without putting too fine a point on it, we don’t boycott individuals, just institutions. ”

            If I had a dime for every time I’ve heard this BS line. . .

            We’re not boycotting M&Ms, we’re just boycotting Hershey. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

            The fact is that Adel Manna is the keynote speaker at this conference, and you’re calling on people to boycott his institution, which will, in effect, be a boycott of him, since he has chosen to speak at that conference. If Adel Manna travels abroad, he’s quite likely to do so as a representative of Hebrew University, who may very well pay his expenses.

            And let’s also be honest about something else. Your entire critique suggests that boycotting individuals is exactly what you want. Corey Robin wrote an post arguing that Israel lacked academic freedom because only a few hundred professors signed a circulation email chain condemning restrictions on Palestinian students. The natural extension of the BDS argument is that professors who refuse to explicitly and openly condemn Israeli practices or actions that you disagree with should be personally boycotted. You should just be honest and admit it. Everyone already knows it anyway.

            “Are you’re saying that YOU know better what’s good for the Palestinians than themselves?”

            BDS does not equal Palestinians, thankgodimatheist. In fact, BDS is very much about Westerners who think they know what’s good for the Palestinians better than the Palestinians do.

            “Btw, if it were true self-defeating shouldn’t you be rejoicing instead of going ape-shit crazy over this?””

            Why should I rejoice when the Palestinians are being disadvantaged?

            “Er…. you said he’s “nowhere in” the boycott call! ”

            LOL; I said USCACBI declined to mention that they were calling for a boycott of conference where the keynote address was about the Naqba. I surmise that if they did, it would muck up the narrative.

        • ” I just think this is a particularly interesting example of how the boycott movement is self-defeating and disingenuous, to say the least.”
          Are you’re saying that YOU know better what’s good for the Palestinians than themselves? How very humble of you! Btw, if it were true self-defeating shouldn’t you be rejoicing instead of going ape-shit crazy over this?

          • oneof5 says:

            tgiam sez:

            “Btw, if it were true self-defeating shouldn’t you be rejoicing instead of going ape-shit crazy over this?”

            Awww c’mon now … cut him a little slack … afterall: hop is just trying to “help” …

          • puppies says:

            @TGIA – That of not targeting individuals is a little like only boycotting “settlement” products: it is a lowest common denominator for solidarity with the Palestinians, at their rightful requests. As things get uglier and the level of Zionist nastiness and violence obligatorily increases, though, boycott and sanctions will have to target all Israelian citizens (those of the State Superior Race, obviously) in order to hit where it tells. This is, after all, a war of aggression started by the Zionist entity. Not just a “war of ideas”.

        • talknic says:

          hophmi “I didn’t say that a boycott would silence him. I just think this is a particularly interesting example of how the boycott movement is self-defeating and disingenuous, to say the least”

          Er…. you said he’s “nowhere in” the boycott call! link to mondoweiss.net

    • OlegR says:

      It get’s funnier they want to boycott the
      “Tel Aviv University Film/Media/Communication Studies Conference”
      That’s like boycotting the central hub of Tel Avivian left and radical left.

    • “You’re boycotting an event at Hebrew University where one of the keynote addresses will be “Oral history as a source for history of the Nakbah”

      Don’t play dumb, Hophmi. The role the H University plays is maintaining and strengthening the occupation and apartheid is well documented:
      “Hundreds of academics call for boycott of Hebrew University conference in 2014″

      “While all Israeli universities are deeply complicit in the occupation, settler-colonialism and apartheid, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem is particularly noteworthy,” says the letter, published by the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI).

      Land theft

      The letter spells out some of the most egregious abuses in which the Hebrew University has been directly involved, including supporting institutions in illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank and the confiscation and theft of Palestinian land:

      Ironically, the oral history conference is organized by an institute named after Avraham Harman, president of the Hebrew University from 1968 to 1983. As president of the Hebrew University he was directly responsible for the rebuilding and expansion of the original campus on Mount Scopus built on land illegally confiscated from Palestinians in East Jerusalem.”
      BTW,
      “Boycott does not hurt academic freedom

      “The letter refutes often-heard objections that boycott hurts academic freedom or hampers dialogue.

      But this notion is challenged even more thoroughly in a separate piece in CounterPunch by Haim Bresheeth and Sherna Berger Gluck: “On the Fallacy of ‘Engaging’ with the Israeli Academy.””
      link to electronicintifada.net

    • “You’re boycotting an event at Hebrew University where one of the keynote addresses will be “Oral history as a source for history of the Nakbah”
      Yeah, even funnier that Palestinian students at the H University are, themselves, calling for boycott!
      “In a 1 May open letter, published on the website of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation [PDF], several groups representing Palestinian students wrote to Freeman that, “While The Hebrew University grants you the award for ‘combating racism and promoting knowledge and education worldwide,’ it shows no signs of combating racism and discrimination within its walls; racism which is flagrantly practiced on daily basis against Arab students.
      …only very few among our generation have been qualified to attend universities due to state’s discriminatory policies against Palestinians in Israel. Our schools mostly lack the basic facilities needed for education, and the curriculum is structured to serve the State’s goal in socializing the pupils for self-estrangement. It contains very little, if any at all, on our history and culture. Furthermore it aims to erase our historical memory and promote the official policy line of divide and rule. This discrimination continues in the Universities in the granting of scholarships among other things.”
      link to electronicintifada.net

      • jon s says:

        Following the link, there’s a letter calling on Morgan Freeman not to attend a HU fundraiser. I’m not sure that that means that those Palestinian students endorse a boycott of their own University. If they do , it strikes me as absurd and hypocritical: they enrolled at HU, pay tuition, work to earn a degree – yet they call on others to boycott the very institution that they are attending, voluntarily. So if the bds campaign is successful , maybe they won’t be able to benefit from the best teachers, or the best labs and libraries. Does that make sense?

    • talknic says:

      @hophmi

      “LOL. You’re boycotting an event at Hebrew University where one of the keynote addresses will be “Oral history as a source for history of the Nakbah: The survival of Palestinians in Israel as a case study” by Dr. Adel Manna, a Palestinian-Israeli who works for Palestinian rights inside of Israel.

      Of course, that fact is nowhere in your boycott call. “

      LOL. Why would it be?

      “I agree; given the views of people here, it makes all the sense in the world to boycott an event addressing the Nakba at an Israeli university featuring a prominent Palestinian scholar.”

      Er…. you just said he’s “nowhere in” the boycott call!

      “Your choice to do this combines your ignorance of reality”

      Hop, he’s “nowhere in” the boycott call!

      ” your disingenuousness, and your hatred of peace”

      Illegal settlements are a sign of peace?

      • hophmi says:

        “LOL. Why would it be?”

        I know you think you’re very clever. Again, I think it’s telling that USCACBI forgot to mention in their boycott call that what they were boycotting was a Palestinian academic speaking on the Naqba.

        • talknic says:

          @ hophmi “I know you think you’re very clever. “

          Logic doesn’t require being clever.

          “Again, I think it’s telling that USCACBI forgot to mention in their boycott call that what they were boycotting was a Palestinian academic speaking on the Naqba”

          It is up to him to boycott by not appearing.

          • Er…. you just said he’s “nowhere in” the boycott call!

            Can someone, please, explain me the meaning of “Er” in the beginning of a sentence?

          • talknic says:

            @ MahaneYehude1 Can someone, please, explain me the meaning of “Er” in the beginning of a sentence?

            Um …. no. Past experience has shown nothing can be explained to you

          • Walid says:

            Can someone, please, explain me the meaning of “Er” in the beginning of a sentence?

            It’s Arabic for schmock. If a person calls you that, it’s not very nice.

      • Donald says:

        “Er” in English isn’t an insult, though sometimes it can be, in an indirect sort of way. It’s a noise people make when they are expressing hesitation, especially when you think someone has said something silly and you can’t believe what you just heard. Suppose some person comes up to you and asks whether you intend to support Abraham Lincoln’s Presidential campaign. You say something like this “Er, maybe”, as you look around wildly for help.

        • @talknic:

          Um …. no. Past experience has shown nothing can be explained to you

          Can I know what exactly did you try to explain me? Maybe something new about your maps of Palestine or maybe something new about the policy of your criminal government toward the asylum seekers? I will be happy if you explain me again so I can learn new things.

          • talknic says:

            MahaneYehude1 “Can I know what exactly did you try to explain me? “</em.

            Mmm … lemme see now … your Hasbara has huge gaping holes.

  2. Today, another boost to the boycotts and divestment against Apartheid Israel:

    “Palestinian activist urges University to divest from Israel” – link to michigandaily.com

    See that article in today’s Michigan Daily — the demand to boycott and divest from Israel gets a standing ovation at a packed auditorium in the University of Michigan.

    Apartheid is doomed.

    • @Walid:

      It’s Arabic for schmock.

      Thanks Walid. I knew the Arabic word, but I thought it has other meaning here.

      Two Jewish immigrants from Poland arrived to NYC in the early 1930. They saw a big sign on construction company building “Jobs”. So, Jenkel said to Schleimel “You are smarter than me, go inside and offer your self as a worker”. Schleimel agreed and entered for interview.
      OK, after several minutes, Schleimel left the building and met Jenkel who asked him about the interview.
      - “Their were three in the room, two men and a woman. The first man asked me “show me your hands”. I didn’t understand but I thought “hand” is maybe “hant”, so I showed him my hands”
      -”Then the second man asked me “show me your foot”. Again, I didn’t understand but I thought “foot” is maybe “fiss”, so I showed him my foot”
      -”Then the woman asked me “Do you smoke?”
      -”And…???”
      -”And here I did my first mistake!!!”

  3. Daniel Rich says:

    Q: … that the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office has been funding “covert units” that pay students to engage in public diplomacy and promote Israel’s “pretty face”

    R: The mirror disagrees.

  4. OlegR says:

    link to tau.ac.il

    “The Tenth Tel Aviv International Colloquium on Cinema and Television Studies ”

    Presentations may address, but are not limited to, the following topics:
    Cinematic objets trouvés; documentary film; outtakes and footage left on the editing-room floor; traces, indices, and debris; disaster and recovery
    Entropy, chaos, and emergent order
    Reenactments; performativity; the Event
    Exile and the right of return; “rites of return”; Israeli and non-Israeli cinema
    Coming from the future; past and present visions of things to come; utopias and dystopias
    Cinematic ghosts and hauntings; nostalgia; trauma and film; myths that endure in moving-image scholarship; regeneration in and of moving images
    Archaeologies and genealogies of texts, genres, and media; the appearance and disappearance of moving-image technology and materiality
    Anaphora, cataphora, parapraxis, and mise-en-abyme; mosaic films; complex narration, hyper-narration, probabilism in cinematic narratives
    Remakes, reboots, sequels, prequels, cross-media franchises, and revivals of cancelled shows; comebacks, breakthroughs, first works, swan songs, eulogies, wills, ancestors, and heirs in moving images

    Yes you should definitely boycott that.

    • talknic says:

      OlegR “Exile and the right of return; “rites of return”; Israeli and non-Israeli cinema”

      Let’s wait and see if the Colloquium Committee: Ilan Avisar, Nitzan Ben-Shaul, Shmulik Duvdevani, Régine-Mihal Friedman, Nurith Gertz, Boaz Hagin, Sandra Meiri, Judd Ne’eman, Raz Yosef, Anat Zanger & Colloquium Coordinators: Ariel Avissar and Ido Lewit, accept something on the right of return for Palestinians

      • OlegR says:

        At least do some research about these names and what their political views are you ignorant fool.
        But what am i saying, boycott them go ahead.

        Judd Ne’eman
        “http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/MKs-Film-directors-remarks-should-be-probed”

        • eljay says:

          talknic: Let’s wait and see if the Colloquium Committee … Judd Ne’eman … accept something on the right of return for Palestinians

          OlegReee: At least do some research about these names and what their political views are you ignorant fool.

          Judd Ne’eman
          “http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/MKs-Film-directors-remarks-should-be-probed”

          At least make sure the article you link to supports your rebuttal, you ignorant, Zio-supremacist fool. There’s not a word in that article to suggest that Judd Ne’eman supports the right of return for Palestinians.

          • Shmuel says:

            There’s not a word in that article to suggest that Judd Ne’eman supports the right of return for Palestinians.

            I think that Ne’eman does in fact support Palestinian RoR, and I seem to recall that he also supports some sort of cultural/academic boycott.

        • puppies says:

          @Oleg – Crazy again. Who cares about their political stance? They are doing their shtick under the patronage of an Israelian University and that is more than reason enough to shun them. All Israelians, by the way, should have an incentive to disassociate themselves publicly from their pariah state, better yet emigrate; the boycott is a very good way to nudge them in the right direction. The best academic personnel should have no trouble finding an equally good job in their own country (of origin) or anywhere else. It’s what some call a “win-win situation”.

          • OlegR says:

            Shmuel it’s exactly that.
            Most of the other names on the list are on the liberal or the radical left.
            That just shows how little the BDSers understand Israel.

          • jon s says:

            Puppies, “in their own country (of origin) …” I’ve got news for you: this is our country. Why don’t you return to your own country of origin?

          • puppies says:

            @john s (no Reply button) – For you personally, I don’t know, maybe you are not part of the Zionist invaders. In that case you would be at home.

        • talknic says:

          OlegR “At least do some research about these names and what their political views are you ignorant fool.”

          Tch tch My research shows that they might yet accept a token representation as Colloquium Committee’s have in the past. I’m prepared to wait and see.

          Meanwhile your ‘research’ proves what exactly?

          “But what am i saying, boycott them go ahead.”

          Why? Their choices for this event have yet to be made.

  5. Talkback says:

    hophmi says: LOL. You’re boycotting an event at Hebrew University where one of the keynote addresses will be “Oral history as a source for history of the Nakbah: The survival of Palestinians in Israel as a case study” by Dr. Adel Manna, a Palestinian-Israeli who works for Palestinian rights inside of Israel.

    So much for the Hasbara stupidities that Jews are boycotted as Jews and that the boycott was “antisemitic” or “racist”. Thank you hophmi.

    • hophmi says:

      “So much for the Hasbara stupidities that Jews are boycotted as Jews and that the boycott was ‘antisemitic’ or ‘racist’. Thank you hophmi.”

      Oh, they are. Jews are a main target. This particular act shows just how stupid and dishonest the boycott movement is.

      • amigo says:

        “Oh, they are. Jews are a main target.”hopknee

        No hoppy, just racist supremacist jews like you.You and your like are the reason for the hatred of oppressive, colonialist rogue Israel.

        Deal with that or live with the hatred which can only increase until Zionist Israel is no more.

      • amigo says:

        In case you are not convinced by my last response, try the following “put it through” hopknee.

        “Intifada Palestine 4 Jan — Killed 56, injured 1385, carried out 8636 raids and attacks, demolished 172 homes…– The Palestinian Embassy, for once, has done something useful and released figures that paint a shocking picture of Israel’s mega-crimes against their helpless Palestinian neighbours over the past year. The Palestinian Mission UK: The year 2013 witnessed over 20,000 severe violations against the occupied State of Palestine and its people, who have suffered a number of violent attacks and incursions at the hands of Israel, the occupying power. These violations include attacks by both Israeli authorities and settlers, along with home demolitions, arbitrary arrests and the ongoing construction of illegal settlements. Since the resumption of negotiations at the end of July 2013, Israel has announced almost 6200 new settlement units, throughout the occupied State of Palestine. Please find below a Media Brief prepared by the NSU summarizing Israel’s violations of International Law during 2013, with a particular focus on violations committed since the beginning of negotiations, a process which is supposed to lead to a just and lasting peace. [with tables; list of Palestinians killed, by name; new settlement units announced, etc.]
        link to intifada-palestine.com

      • eljay says:

        >> Jews are a main target. This particular act shows just how stupid and dishonest the boycott movement is.

        I love how Zio-supremacists like hophmeee play the “Israel is just like any other country” / “Israel is a Jewish State!” flip-flop game depending on what suits their needs at any given time.

        In this instance, when Israel is being taken to task for its on-going (war) criminal behaviour, Israel is “Jewish State” and all valid accusations levied against it are denounced as Jew-hating anti-Semitism.

        Point out that Israel is a uniquely-supremacist “Jewish State” and they’ll tell you Israel is just like any other country. (And they may call you anti-Semitic, for good measure.)

      • Talkback says:

        LOL. Hasbara logic. Are Jews living outside the state of Israel are targeted, too? And if not, is it a failure of BDS, too?

    • eljay says:

      >> I think that Ne’eman does in fact support Palestinian RoR, and I seem to recall that he also supports some sort of cultural/academic boycott.

      Good thing OlegReee linked to an article that made no mention of that.

  6. piotr says:

    The detractors of the boycott should explain if they think that continuing and escalating oppression and dispossession of Palestinians should be stopped and reversed (my vague understanding is that hophmi would agree and OlegR would not). If they think that it should not be stopped, we have no common values to make a meaningful discussion.

    If you think that it should be stopped, then how it could possibly happens when the only politically viable argument for that, in Israel, is putative outside pressure? Liberals were crying “wolf” for years, settlements expanded, no material pressure resulted from that, so Israeli liberals are now idiots and right wingers are the wise men. Centrists like Lapid and Livni seem to be open to modification of Israeli policies would pressure materialize, right wingers mutter about Masada but probably not many take it seriously. Thus a thinking liberal Zionist should welcome the pressuring actions like boycotts. Any medicine has side effects, so please tell us what an alternative course of action you recommend.

    I agree that ruining carrier of a nice person like Dr. Adel Manna would be regrettable, so it is important to point out that nothing remotely similar is happening. The goal of they boycott is not to force Israeli institution to organize nice symposia with balanced panels of speakers but to change the repressive behavior of the state. And yes, it is repressive.

    • hophmi says:

      “The detractors of the boycott should explain if they think that continuing and escalating oppression and dispossession of Palestinians should be stopped and reversed”

      I’ve said time and again here that I believe in the two-state solution and equal rights for Palestinians within Israel proper.

      “If you think that it should be stopped, then how it could possibly happens when the only politically viable argument for that, in Israel, is putative outside pressure?”

      How could it possibly happen when the only thing outside pressure accomplishes is the empowerment of the right in Israel?

      “Liberals were crying “wolf” for years, settlements expanded”

      No, piotr, the population of the settlements expanded. Let’s be honest about this. There haven’t been very many new settlements in the past twenty years. The population has grown. At the end of the day, withdrawing from the West Bank will still entail moving a small fraction of the people there, maybe 80 or 100,000 people at most.

      “Israeli liberals are now idiots and right wingers are the wise men. ”

      Israeli liberals were undermined by the Intifada, much in the way American liberals were undermined by Vietnam. It’s not forever; there will eventually be a comeback.

      “Thus a thinking liberal Zionist should welcome the pressuring actions like boycotts.”

      No thinking liberal Zionist is going to welcome an action led by a movement whose rhetoric is regularly antisemitic, and whose tactic is the same tactic Arab countries used against Israel for two generations, and whose goal is destroying the state of Israel. People don’t support movements meant to destabilize their countries.

      “Any medicine has side effects, so please tell us what an alternative course of action you recommend.”

      Simple support for Palestinian equality inside of Israel and support for a real nonviolence civil disobedience movement, meaning full abandonment of violence, not strategic nonsense about how nonviolence is just a tactic we use to re-arm ourselves, or moral cowardice about how you as a Westerner cannot tell Palestinians how to conduct their resistance (but have no problem telling Israelis how to take care of themselves), would make a big difference. Support for organizations in Israel that take Israeli and American Jews into the territories to meet with Palestinians and see Palestinian life, instead of effective boycotts of these organizations and those Israelis AND Palestinians who favor cooperation, particularly in the Palestinian business community. A condemnation of the widespread antisemitism in the pro-Palestinian movement would be helpful. That includes people here who push base conspiracy theories about how Jews are responsible for the war in Iraq, how rich Jews control Congress, how rich Jews on Wall Street undermine the economy, how Israel was involved in 9/11, etc., etc.

      • American says:

        ”People don’t support movements meant to destabilize their countries. ”…..hoppie

        Well then, you can understand why people want Israel and the zionist out of US government and out of our national business and policies.

        • hophmi says:

          “Well then, you can understand why people want Israel and the zionist out of US government and out of our national business and policies.”

          Since “Zionists” aren’t “in” the “US government” or “in” our “national business and policies” anymore than anyone else is, there’s no reason to worry, unless you’re an antisemite.

          • American says:

            ‘unless you’re an antisemite”…hoppie

            .. of course I’m a anti semite —-Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Zionistman……bogga,bogga, lettle moron …lol

            The Zionist definition of a anti semite is —-

            Anyone who declares that the interests of Israel/Jews/Zionism are not ‘entitled’ to infringe on or trump all other peoples and nation’s legitimate rights and interest.

      • eljay says:

        >> I’ve said time and again here that I believe in the two-state solution and equal rights for Palestinians within Israel proper.

        You’ve also said time and again here that you believe in Israel as a “Jewish State” – a construct necessarily with some degree of inequality in favour of Jews.

    • OlegR says:

      I don’t detract the boycott Piotr i mock it.
      And it’s not my job to advise foreigners or Palestinians how best they should attack my country. You have 972 crowds for that..

      I have expressed my views on the conflict on numerous occasions.
      Yes i want it solved yes i think we should find a compromise in the form of 2SS no i don’t think the occupation of the people is a good thing.

      • Sumud says:

        People don’t support movements meant to destabilize their countries.

        I don’t detract the boycott Piotr i mock it.

        Oleg you and hophmi are both a pathetic joke. Supposedly support a 2SS but both opposed to any concrete action at all to bring it into existence.

        I can read between the lines – however the joke is on you both as the so-called status quo is anything but stable.

      • talknic says:

        OlegR “I have expressed my views on the conflict on numerous occasions.
        Yes i want it solved yes i think we should find a compromise in the form of 2SS no i don’t think the occupation of the people is a good thing”

        The Palestinians have no legal obligation to compromise any of the legal rights afforded by the Laws and UN Charter Israel obliged itself to uphold by A) being a state, B) by being a UN Member state C) by being the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories.

        Israel demands to keep non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by war. Israel demands to illegally settle its citizens in non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by war and under its occupation. Israel demands recognition as the Jewish state. Israel’s demands have absolutely no legal basis what so ever.

        The answer is simple and has been glaringly obvious for 65 years: Israel should and could withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, as required by law. It refuses. You support it. You and all those like you are a part of the problem.

      • Cliff says:

        Oleg,

        Tell us how you support a 2ss. You live in Israel. What have you done to help bring about a 2ss?

      • Cliff says:

        Blockhead said:

        I don’t detract the boycott Piotr i mock it.

        How? When did you ever ‘mock’ anything other than yourself, simply by attempting to mock BDS?

  7. piotr says:

    ” People don’t support movements meant to destabilize their countries.”

    I have though thay you are an American. That aside, what stability means in Israel? Announcing new settlement expansion every week, demolitions, confiscation, beating, skunk water and so on. As an American, do you like it?

    • hophmi says:

      “I have though thay you are an American. ”

      I am.

      “That aside, what stability means in Israel? ”

      What does stability mean where you are?

      “Announcing new settlement expansion every week, demolitions, confiscation, beating, skunk water and so on. As an American, do you like it?”

      No. As an American, I understand that if America had faced one-tenth of the terrorism Israel had, what America would do would be far worse than that. We faced one act of terrorism and responded by invading two countries, and contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

      • Cliff says:

        So in other words, hophmi – you are psychologically and emotionally unable to address human rights violations when Jews are the ones committing them.

        It’s the same bullshit with you – divert divert divert.

        You are a Zionist and an Israel Firster. Demonstrate that you care about your apartheid State by defending it on its own merits rather than on the faults of others.

      • piotr says:

        A non-answer, hophmi.

        First, “destabilization” that you oppose does not affect your country, so it is not a reflexive defense of “mine” but what George Washington called “attachments and entanglements in foreign affairs”. It is not that we should not be concerned with foreign affairs, but as they are foreign, we should have more dispassionate approach.

        Second, you argue that “America would do worse”. The very formulation says that this is a bad thing. Find a supporter of pressure on Israel who approves atrocities in American foreign policy and military actions. Perhaps there is a weird person like that, but admit that it would be rare. A very important concern is that the irreflexive support of Israel is in the package of ideologies pushing America to do worse.

        And the only thing you propose it to stabilize that. Then at least call it a good thing! Embrace the fascism, “Eia, eia, eia! Alalà!” If fascism is not the best name to use, use one of the creative labels like “muscular liberalism”. (Only so-so creative. Are there any muscular liberal salutes and songs?)

        But hophmi perceives himself as being nicer than that. So we have this cute proposal of constructive engagement: “Support for organizations in Israel that take Israeli and American Jews into the territories to meet with Palestinians and see Palestinian life, instead of effective boycotts of these organizations …” Don’t we follow meetings with Palestinians and read about their lives, and watch videos how they are subjected to beating, demolishing, forbidden to visit their own farm without military permission, separated from their own land by walls, sprayed with skunk water, waken at night by petards or friendly visit of soldiers who photograph sleeping children — so cute! But wait, the sentence goes on

        “… and those Israelis AND Palestinians who favor cooperation, particularly in the Palestinian business community.”

        We read how Israel chokes Palestinian business activity. No country is more creative in red tape department, and this is only the start. By the way, what do you thing about the custom’s terminal build by the Dutch? This was precisely the type of supportive constructive activity you recommend. The Dutch were dense enough to take it seriously. If you TOTALLY disregard what is going on, it seems like a good idea. But it does not go anywhere, does it?

  8. yrn says:

    Israel Is officially a full member of the European Organization for Nuclear Research – CERN. The official ceremony was held “in Geneva Israeli flag was hoisted flags line the member countries.

    Israel is now the 21st century and the only organization outside of Europe.

    WHERE IS THE BDS ?????

  9. talknic says:

    @yrn WOW!!! CERN is in and profiting from the Occupied Palestinian Territories? AMAZING!!! When did they move it?