Transcript: Netanyahu calls on U.S. Jews to fight BDS– ‘eerie’ anti-Semites ‘on the soil of Europe’

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Everyone is talking about Netanyahu’s speech to the Jewish group the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations last night in Jerusalem, calling the BDS movement anti-Semitic. And explaining that Israel can take it on, because two of the three top technology centers in the world are in Israel. Here’s the Guardian today. Here’s the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

Here are two tweets from the Israeli Prime Minister:

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Arutz Sheva has the video, above. And here’s my transcript:

There is a new campaign against us. Having failed to dislodge us with weapons, with armies, with terrorists, with rockets, with missiles, they now think that they will dislodge us with boycotts. And that’s nothing new, we’ve had that in our history as well, you know the boycotts of Jews, and I think the most eerie thing, the most disgraceful thing, is to have people on the soil of Europe talking about the boycott of Jews. I think that’s an outrage. But that is something that we’re re-encountering. In the past, anti-Semites boycotted Jewish businesses and today they call for the boycott of the Jewish state. And by the way, only the Jewish state.

Now don’t take my word for it. The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state. They’re quite explicit about it. And I think it’s important that the boycotters must be exposed for what they are. They’re classical anti-Semites in modern garb. And I think we have to fight them. It’s time to delegitimize the delegitimizers. And it’s time that we fight back. I know all of you participate in this.

There are two ways of fighting back. One is exposing them. And the other is something that is happening and they can’t do very much about it. I’ll tell you what it is. You know, I meet heads of state and captains of industry as they’re called, that is, founders and leaders of big companies and some small companies and medium sized companies. They’re all coming to Israel. Including today– I had a meeting with another head of state. And they all want the same three things: Israeli technology, Israeli technology, and Israeli technology. They crave it, they thirst for it, because they know that we’re in the knowledge century.  They know that Israel is the repository of great genius, great creativity, entrepreneurship, innovation, scientific capability, out-of-the-box thinking.

This is a tremendous capacity that we have. It’s crystallized here for a variety or reasons It’s not always easy to explain why these things happen, but it’s very important for us to recognize that we possess a great treasure. The capacity to innovate is a great treasure of profound economic value in today’s world. And that is something that is bigger than all these boycotters could possibly address. Because  people are coming here…the old powers and the new powers, you know, the new world powers, you know the superpowers, Google, Yahoo… They  all want to participate in this, they all understand that the world economy is being propelled forward by the internet. The internet requires cyber protection.  You have to protect your bank accounts, your privacy, your communications, the power lines, the power grids, traffic lights, train schedules. All of that is run today in the digital world and all of that requires protection, and we happen to have a capacity to protect it.

And so for this and for many many other reasons, Israel is being sought after. I say the response that we have to the BDS, is two fold. One, expose them. The second is  outflank them. We have the economic future of the world in Israel. We have it because we support it, we develop it.  And somebody said to me you know there are only two real centers of high-tech innnovation. This was said to me by a young man whose company is worth today worht $9 billion. And two years ago was worth $1 billion. No I won’t be giving out the name. And he said to me there are only two centers of high tech innovation int he world. He said, Palo Alto and Tel Aviv. I said, Correction, add Beersheva. Because Beersheva will be the new cyber capital of Israel. And you should see what is happening today in the south of Israel, in the Negev, this fantastic growth, this fantastic explosion.  We’re putting highways and railways to the north and to the south. It makes Israel sound like an enormous country. We’re just doing what the United States did in the nineteenth century. But we’re doing it.

We’re connecting the periphery. We’re trying to eliminate the periphery, and the most important lines that we’re paving are the fast cyber, or rather the fast fiber that we’re putting from Kiryat Shimona to Eilat. That’s the real highway. That’s the information highway that every child, every boy every girl in Israel, Jew non Jew, Druze Christian Muslim Bedouins, they’re all going to be connected to it.

And it’s a fabulous future that we have. I think we’re perfectly suited for the information society… And we’re consciously opening ourselves up including to the cyber companies of the world. We’re doing this because I believe in Israel’s future.

I believe we can overcome all these challenges that we face but we have to be clear about the challenges.

114 Responses

  1. Ecru
    February 18, 2014, 2:32 pm

    It’ll play well in the USA and with most Jews I imagine, but with non-Jewish Europeans? Not so much. The entire “anti-semite” thing is no longer taken seriously, it’s even a badge of pride to be called one because whilst anti-semite used to mean “hating Jews” it now, thanks to its indiscriminate over-use by Zionists, means “hating injustice.”

    • German Lefty
      February 18, 2014, 4:51 pm

      Exactly right, Ecru!

    • Krauss
      February 18, 2014, 5:50 pm

      Even beyond that, when Netanyahu bragged about the “information highway”, the fibre lines that will connect the country, guess who is doing that? It isn’t Israeli technology, it’s Ericsson, the main competitor of the Chinese Huawei in telecommunications. You know, from the “soil of Europe” etc.

      Secondly, while Tel Aviv is a high-tech center, whoever told Bibi that only Palo Alto(Silicon Valley) and Tel Aviv matters knew little to nothing. Chinese tech companies already today can match and in some cases exceed the Silicon Valley giants. The UK leads in biotech. Nordic countries are best on renewables. Water technology is something Australia is leading edge on. Israel is good on all these things but is not best at either.

      So while Israeli high tech is impressive, on a per-capita basis I’d say it’s probably in the top 3 of the world, do keep in mind that Luxembourg has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the world, too. Yet it counts for nothing on the world stage.

      Thirdly, Netanyahu’s response is curious. He thinks that the principal aim of boycotts will damage Israel economically? Of course not. Larry Derfner, for all his faults(and tendency to be a mini-Tom Friedman in Israel), is correct that it is mostly a psychological wound even if economics is the method, it is not the goal in of itself.

      Netanyahu’s world view is deeply shaped and steeped in Western culture. He shares that with the Israeli elite and the Israeli public. BDS is putting political and psychological pressure best encapsuled in a comment made to the NYT reporter after the ASA vote: “it feels like a family betrayal”. This is what it is about for the Israeli public. It’s a family matter for them. Who do they belong to if not the West? China? India? What do they know about those cultures at all aside from common knowledge everyone knows? The Arab world? Africa? The West is the only cultural place that Israel feels it belongs to.

      We’ve been told for years and years by desperate Zionists that it “has no effect”. Well, the Israeli cabinet recently held its first meeting on the subject. The NYT smears it as Nazi-style tactics.

      It is having an effect and a big one, at that.

      Finally, notice one thing:

      Netanyahu didn’t even mention the word “Palestinians” or “the Occupation” even once. And he thinks he’ll get out of this rut by yapping about Yahoo?

      • irishmoses
        February 19, 2014, 12:41 am

        Netanyahu didn’t even mention the word “Palestinians” or “the Occupation” even once.

        Good catch Krauss. You’ve hit on the key item in Hasbara Central’s newest approach aimed at delegitimizing BDS: Don’t ever say Palestinian, or Occupation, or Settlers/Settlements. Talk only about the antisemitism behind BDS, that it is intended to destroy the Jewish State, to prevent Jewish Self-determination. It’s leaders are those nasty Europeans who still want to kill the Jews. BDS is about the Jews, about antisemitism. Fighting BDS is about the Jews. Keep repeating, it’s about the Jews. And, for god’s sake never say the P word, or the O word, or the S words. It’s only about the Jews. Got it?

        This Hasbara Central anti-BDS campaign needs to be pointed out by everyone responding to any attempt at anti-BDS.

        Simply say,

        Why didn’t he (or she, or they) say anything about the Palestinians, about the occupation, about the settlements? That’s what the BDS movement is about, helping the oppressed Palestinian people. Two million still live in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. 1.5 million are trapped in the squalor of Gaza. Another 2.5 million live as oppressed people under the Israeli boot in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. We just want some semblance of justice for the Palestinians. Why didn’t he, she, or they say anything about the Palestinians, the occupation, the settlements? That’s what BDS is about. It’s about justice for the Palestinians.

        The new slogan needs to be, “Forget the Jews, what about the Palestinians? Where’s their state, their self-determination, their justice?”

  2. Kathleen
    February 18, 2014, 2:42 pm

    Netanyahu asking American Jews to continue to support apartheid.

    Netanyahu “We’re putting highways and railways to the north and to the south. It makes Israel sound like an enormous country.” Apartheid highways. link to theguardian.com

    link to icahd.org
    “It is this wider perspective that an even greater significance of the Trans-Israel Highway is exposed. The idea of using a road network to de facto annex the West Bank is not new. In 1976 the Trans-Samaria Highway was built, linking the Tel Aviv area with Ariel and the Allon Highway, which already served Israelis seeking a “shortcut” from Jerusalem to the Galilee, or in the other direction to Ein Gedi and the south. In 1984 the Shamir government unveiled Road Plan 50, a national highway system encompassing the entire West Bank, designed to allow a more rapid development of settlements. ”

    Netanyahu “The internet requires cyber protection. You have to protect your bank accounts, your privacy, your communications, the power lines, the power grids, traffic lights, train schedules. All of that is run today in the digital world and all of that requires protection, and we happen to have a capacity to protect it.”

    Israel sure has and does have access to “your communications…your privacy”
    Watch all four parts:
    link to informationclearinghouse.info

    link to stopthewall.org

    Netanyahu’s fascist ideology is being “outflanked” He has been and continues to be an anti semite full on. Palestinians are semites even though he would like people to forget this.

    BDS wants equal rights for all. Netanyahu and his team of anti semites do not want equal rights for all.
    link to bdsmovement.net
    The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel. The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:

    Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;
    Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
    Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

    • ritzl
      February 18, 2014, 3:29 pm

      The reason the NSA “transferred” raw US personal data to Israel is because they already had it. link to businessinsider.com Given the Snowden revelations, that Fox report (your information clearinghouse link) was verified, and NSA had to make Israeli spying (over multiple US administrations) on US citizens appear contemplated policy, if not quasi-“legal.”

      So, maybe not even subtextually, Netanyahu’s proclamation was not so much bravado as it was a warning.

      Even that aside, Google’s data-mining “R&D” center is in Tel Aviv. If someone believes that the info and techniques developed there aren’t firehosed to the Israeli government, I’ve got a bridge…

      Not to get too tinfoil-y, but since Israel has a way of twisting everything it touches to its advantage, if moral right be done on this, it will be done in spite of the internet, less so with it.

      • American
        February 18, 2014, 4:57 pm

        Er…..I guessed no one noticed that hackers got the Israeli credit card processing center and merchants thru out the entire country were unable to process CC sales for several days last week.
        I dont know why the hackers went tor the cc systems, maybe because they had already hacked everything else in the Israeli cyber security kingdom of the world.

        Defense Systems Hacked with Xtreme RAT Trojan | The State …www.tripwire.com › Home › News › Top Security Stories‎CachedTripwireLoading…Jan 27, 2014 – Israeli Defense Systems Hacked with Xtreme RAT Trojan … Fresno Bee:

        Israel Hayom | Sands casino websites hacked due to support of Israelwww.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id…‎CachedIsrael HaYomLoading…5 days ago – The first sign that the company’s systems might have been breached came … whether the company is aware of credit card records being stolen.

        CNBC.comwww.cnbc.com/id/101410142‎CachedCNBCLoading…6 days Hack Exposes Israeli Credit Card Information – Huffington Postwww.huffingtonpost.com/…/israel-hack-credit-cards…‎Cached
        SimilarThe Huffington PostLoading…Jan 3, 2012 – JERUSALEM — Hackers claiming to be Saudis posted credit card information of thousands of Israelis on the Internet, credit card companies …AFP: ‘Saudi hacker’ publishes Israeli credit card details – Googlewww.google.com/…/ALeqM5gmYB_MQwO-yxbXKEVL-X-On…‎SimilarGoogleLoading…Jan 2, 2012 – ‘Saudi hacker’ publishes Israeli credit card details … “These cards are being removed from the system,” he told Israel’s private Channel 2 …
        Mailwww.dailymail.co.uk/…/Saudi-hackers-attack-websites-Israels-…‎SimilarDaily MailLoading…Jan 16, 2012 –

        Israeli Road Control System hacked, caused Traffic jam on
        Haifa …thehackernews.com/2013/10/israeli-road-control-system-hacked.html‎CachedOct 28, 2013 – Israeli Road Control System hacked, caused Haifa Highway Traffic Shutdown :

        So much for genius Israeli high tech cyber security.
        Reminds me of their ‘water genius”….rotflmao!

      • ritzl
        February 18, 2014, 6:44 pm

        Heh, American. Maybe the current, end-stage Israeli hasbara strategy is that when nothing makes sense, anything makes sense.

        It’s all so obviously disconnected, if not outright incoherent at this point.

        WC Fields: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.”

        So what happens when the BS is itself “baffled?”

      • American
        February 18, 2014, 7:04 pm

        @ ritzl

        ““If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.”

        lol….that is the perfect description.

  3. dbroncos
    February 18, 2014, 2:45 pm

    “There is a new campaign against us.”

    Who are the “us” and who are the “them”? For Zionists, the answers to this question are becoming more terrifying by the day not least because so many Jews are now speaking out against Zionism’s racist ideals.

  4. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    February 18, 2014, 2:49 pm

    ”The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state. They’re quite explicit about it. ”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know the BDS Movement takes no stance on a 1SS or 2SS. In any case, BDS is a broad-based grassroots movement – it’s not like one has to sign up to some manifesto or become a member of a group in order to support BDS. So what Netanyahu is saying is just plain factually incorrect. Now there’s a shocker.

    Oh, and notice how he goes from saying that BDS is this great anti-semitic threat, while then adopting a ‘nothing here to see’ attitude, referencing supposed Israeli business successes. That’s typical of how Zionists respond to BDS – either it’s a new Holocaust, or it’s simply a harmless annoyance, a bit like a dripping tap or a buzzing fly.

    • German Lefty
      February 18, 2014, 5:09 pm

      @ Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know the BDS Movement takes no stance on a 1SS or 2SS. […] So what Netanyahu is saying is just plain factually incorrect.

      You are right and wrong at the same time. It is true that the BDS campaign does not take a stance on a 1SS or 2SS. However, the BDS campaign demands that Israel recognises “the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality”. This would indeed mean the end of the “Jewish state”. Israel would become an Israeli state, i.e. a state for all its citizens.

  5. seafoid
    February 18, 2014, 2:55 pm

    They all want the same three things. Sex, drugs and rocknroll.
    Bibi is SO lame.
    Like Israel is the global tech hub. Shatnez has quite a big market share there but he never mentions it in his speeches.

  6. jsinton
    February 18, 2014, 3:01 pm

    Interesting the remark about Beersheva being the new technology center. So now we know why the Negev is so important as to push the Bedouins off the land? Wonder where they’ll get the water from?

    • Talkback
      February 18, 2014, 7:40 pm

      I find it even more interesting that Bersheeba is not within the borders in which Israel proclaimed statehood. Another reason to boycott Israel.

  7. eljay
    February 18, 2014, 3:15 pm

    … I think the most eerie thing, the most disgraceful thing, is to have people on the soil of Europe talking about the boycott of Jews.

    I think the most eerie thing, the most disgraceful thing, is that for over 60 years, hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists like Netanyahu have used past injustices against Jews to justify:
    – Jewish terrorism;
    – the ethnic cleasning by Jews of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
    – the theft, colonization and occupatoin of Palestinian lands by Jews;
    – the establishment of a supremacist “Jewish State”;
    – the expansion of the supremacist “Jewish State”;
    – the “Jewish State’s” refusal to honour its obligations under international law; and
    – the “Jewish State’s” refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state.

    And rightly so: “Jewish State” is a supremacist construct.

    You know, I meet heads of state and captains of industry … And they all want the same three things: Israeli technology, Israeli technology, and Israeli technology.

    What’s this? They don’t want Jewish technology, Jewish technology, Jewish technology? What are they, anti-Semites?!

    • ritzl
      February 19, 2014, 7:44 am

      @eljay- That suggests an ad campaign: “Buy our products or you’re an anti-semite!” or similarly, “Our products are the best or you’re an anti-semite!”

      I hear people really respond to that kind of positivity and encouragement. Ya, you betcha.

      That was a bit sarcastic, but it sure seems like the Israeli mindset is moving in the direction of appending “…or you’re an anti-semite!” to everything it conceives, says, or does. Kinda like the fortune cookie game (…in bed.)

  8. unverified__5ilf90kd
    February 18, 2014, 3:40 pm

    When Bibi says that BDS people are anti-Semites he is merely exposing the irrational arguments that Israel has used for many years to protect their expansion and illegal settlements in the Palestinian territories. But now millions of people are listening as he blows the trumpet so loudly and desperately and they can see the irrationality of the arguments in great detail and clarity and how this has led to apartheid against the Palestinians. Most BDS people like me are not anti-Semites at all and actually support Israel and Jews in general and Bibi is now actually insulting these people. Because they support Israel they are particularly irritated by his crude claims of antisemitism. The world has tried for years to counteract this irrational behavior of Israel but now we realize that BDS is the only way to stop the outrages and excesses of Israeli cruelty and dispossession of the Palestinians. When Bibi calls the BDS movement anti-Israel and anti-Jew he is only strengthening the credibility of the Palestinian struggle. He is using a desperate ruse to try to silence the BDS movement because truth and justice are not on his side. But it is the same strategy that the Zionists have always used and it is now being exposed and dissected. Good news!

    • German Lefty
      February 18, 2014, 5:12 pm

      But now millions of people are listening as he blows the trumpet so loudly and desperately and they can see the irrationality of the arguments in great detail and clarity and how this has led to apartheid against the Palestinians.

      Exactly!

  9. hophmi
    February 18, 2014, 3:48 pm

    He’s correct, of course. Antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe. link to theguardian.com

    • Justpassingby
      February 18, 2014, 4:58 pm

      hophmi aka mini-dershowitz

      Really? Can you give any proof?
      Racism is a problem for your regime Israel.

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:20 am

        Did you read the article?

    • German Lefty
      February 18, 2014, 5:17 pm

      @ hophmi
      Antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe.
      Total bullshit! The survey deals with the perception of anti-Semitism, not with actual anti-Semitism.
      “Two-thirds of those polled for the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) felt antisemitism was a problem.”
      The actual problem here is paranoia, not anti-Semitism.

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:38 am

        “Total bullshit! The survey deals with the perception of anti-Semitism, not with actual anti-Semitism.”

        Spoken like a true apologist for bigotry. German Lefty, if you saw a poll that said that 75% of African-Americans feel discriminated against, would you tell them their feelings were “bullshit” because the poll measured perception? Would you say the same to German Turks? “Hey Turks of Kreutzberg! Your feelings of racism are “bullshit!”

        Here’s a poll of Europeans:

        link to adl.org

        Here’s a long article about the issue:

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Here is an article about antisemitism in Germany:

        link to forward.com

      • German Lefty
        February 19, 2014, 1:07 pm

        if you saw a poll that said that 75% of African-Americans feel discriminated against, would you tell them their feelings were “bullshit” because the poll measured perception? Would you say the same to German Turks?

        Yes, I would. People who belong to minority groups tend to attribute negative experiences to racism when actually there is probably some other reason. Example: Someone applies for a job and is rejected. A black person would probably suspect that it’s because of racism. A Jew would probably suspect that it’s because of anti-Semitism. A gay person would probably suspect that it’s because of homophobia. A woman would probably suspect that it’s because of sexism. Actually, the most likely reason for the rejection is that some other applicant was better qualified. However, putting the blame on the employer is much more convenient than admitting own flaws.

        One-third of the respondents to the FRA reported experiencing antisemitic harassment in the last five years.

        What counts as “anti-Semitic harassment”? As we all know, Zionist Jews already feel harassed when someone supports BDS or mentions that the settlements are illegal. Without detailed information on these incidents of so-called harassment, this percentage does not need to be taken seriously.

        The report also showed that most Jews are afraid to report physical attacks to the police because they believe nothing will be done.

        More paranoia. Most Jews have never experienced physical attacks. And in the very few cases where physical attacks happened, the police worked properly.

      • Shingo
        February 19, 2014, 6:45 pm

        As we all know, Zionist Jews already feel harassed when someone supports BDS or mentions that the settlements are illegal.

        And according to the ADL, Zionist Jews feel harassed when someone in the street insults them (who usually has no way of knowing they are Jewish) or does not give them addition holidays to coincide with religious Jewish holidays.

        More paranoia. Most Jews have never experienced physical attacks. And in the very few cases where physical attacks happened, the police worked properly.

        I agree. As was pointed out in the documentary, “Defamation”, a number of African Americans pointed out that orthodox Jews are less likely to be mugged because the police are more vigilant about pursuing the attackers and the courts impose more severe punishment for attacks on Jews.

      • talknic
        February 19, 2014, 1:56 pm

        @ hophmi “if you saw a poll that said that 75% of African-Americans feel discriminated against, would you tell them their feelings were “bullshit” because the poll measured perception?”

        It’s fun to watch liars for Israel tying themselves in knots. IF the poll measured perception it would tell us what 75% of African-Americans perceive

      • Cliff
        February 19, 2014, 2:07 pm

        It’s disgusting of you to compare the non-existent rise in antisemitism to the institutional discrimination against African-Americans.

        African-Americans face real problems. Jews in America and Europe do not AT ALL.

        Organizations like the ADL and trolls like yourself feed off of antisemitism.

        So if however much percentage of Germans think what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is what Nazis did to the Jews, you beat your chest.

        That has nothing to do with antisemitism.

        In the Western world, the framework we grow up with is that Nazis are the ultimate evil and the Holocaust is the ultimate tragedy.

        So when we see other tragedies and injustices, it’s natural for us to refer to that framework. It’s what we’ve been inundated with.

        The ‘new’ antisemitism is not antisemitism at all. In fact, no one apparently knows what antisemitism is since it keeps changing definitions to give political cover for Zionism.

      • Woody Tanaka
        February 19, 2014, 2:11 pm

        ” if you saw a poll that said that 75% of African-Americans feel discriminated against, would you tell them their feelings were “bullshit” because the poll measured perception?”

        If you saw a poll that said that 75% of Rich People in America feel unfairly attacked, would you tell them their feelings were bullshit?

        If you saw a poll that said that 75% of Christians feel oppressed by secular society, would you tell them their feelings were bullshit?

      • Sibiriak
        February 20, 2014, 8:42 am

        @hophmi, German Lefty wrote:

        [hophmi:] Antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe.

        [GL:]Total bullshit! The survey deals with the perception of anti-Semitism, not with actual anti-Semitism.

        In your reply you write:

        [hophmi:] German Lefty, if you saw a poll that said that 75% of African-Americans feel discriminated against, would you tell them their feelings were “bullshit” because the poll measured perception?

        You misrepresent with GL wrote. GL said the assertion “antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe” is bullshit. GL did NOT say that the feelings of Jews are bullshit.

        The rest of your argument is based on it that misrepresentation (strawman).

        Why engage in such obvious, juvenile sophistry?

    • Keith
      February 18, 2014, 5:51 pm

      HOPHMI- “He’s correct, of course. Antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe.”

      I notice that the picture in your linked article is from 1938. Surely, there must be some recent photos of this “serious problem?” And speaking of European anti-Semitism, I think an up-tick is virtually inevitable in view of US support for the neo-Nazi hooligans in the Ukraine. Below is a quote and a link you might be interested in. As usual, neocons and other Zionists are only too happy to work with neo-Nazis and other fascist sympathizers if it furthers their objectives. To be fair, recruiting ex-Nazis as anti-communist freedom fighters is as American as apple pie. This article (and others) indicate that US funding for this destabilization is at least $5 billion, with the US calling the shots.

      “In this case, Nuland, who – according to the WSWS – is “the grand-daughter of Jewish immigrants who fled to America to escape pogroms in Tsarist Russia”.was seen “handing out cookies in Maidan square to Svoboda thugs who venerate the mass murderers of Hitler’s SS.” (“Leaked phone call on Ukraine lays bare Washington’s gangsterism”, Bill Van Auken, World Socialist Web Site)

      “By the way, Nuland’s “husband is Robert Kagan, the right-wing foreign policy pundit who served as the founding chairman of the Project for a New American Century, the neo-conservative Washington think tank that played a key role in the political and ideological preparation for the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan.” (Mike Whitney)
      link to counterpunch.org

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:43 am

        “I notice that the picture in your linked article is from 1938. Surely, there must be some recent photos of this ‘serious problem?'”

        link to focusonisrael.org

        ” And speaking of European anti-Semitism, I think an up-tick is virtually inevitable in view of US support for the neo-Nazi hooligans in the Ukraine.”

        OK, then. Yeah, that’s it. I can’t think of a reason why WSWS or Counterpunch would support stronger ties between Ukraine and Russia, or call members of the Orange Revolution neo-Nazis. LOL. Blame Jews for that one too. LOL.

      • Keith
        February 19, 2014, 5:40 pm

        HOPHMI- “I can’t think of a reason why WSWS or Counterpunch would support stronger ties between Ukraine and Russia, or call members of the Orange Revolution neo-Nazis.”

        Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you resort to ad hominem name calling. For the record, are you denying that the US is involved in a destabilization effort in the Ukraine? That it has provided $5 billion dollars to empower the right-wing opposition as indicated by Nuland’s taped phone conversation? That these right-wing groups are both anti-Semitic and fascist? Are you even aware of who Reinhard Gehlen is?

        Hophmi: “Blame Jews for that one too.”

        Are you denying that Victoria Nuland has neocon roots? Are you denying that the neocons are involved in empire’s increased militarism? Are you saying that the neocons represent all Jews? Notice that I referred to neocons and other Zionists, not to Jews per se. Are you defending the neocons? Imperial foreign policy? Are you capable of anything other than blind support for Israel and empire?

        Here are a few more quotes and links for you from various authors of high repute. As for denigrating Counterpunch, it is a superior website, far better than the Zionist crap you indulge in. No more bullshit, Hophmi, if you want to support and defend these neo-Nazi hooligans in the Ukraine, just come out and say it. Like I said before, working with these types of people (or Al- Qaeda, for that matter) seems to be no problem for Zionists such as yourself. I might add that once again Zionist actions contribute to anti-Semitism.

        “The Soviet collapse unleashed the neoconservative drive for US world hegemony. Russia under Putin, China, and Iran are the only constraints on the neoconservative agenda….To neutralize Russia, Washington broke the Reagan-Gorbachev agreements and expanded NATO into former constituent parts of the Soviet Empire and now intends to bring former constituent parts of Russia herself–Georgia and Ukraine–into NATO….”

        The neoconservative Victoria Nuland sits in her State Department office happily choosing the members of the next Ukrainian government. Is this US official oblivious to the risk that Washington’s meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine and Russia could be triggering nuclear war? Are President Obama and Congress aware that there is an Assistant Secretary of State who is provoking Armageddon?” (Paul Craig Roberts)
        link to dissidentvoice.org

        “All of these organizations share a common ideology that is vehemently anti-Russian, anti-immigrant, and anti-Jewish among other things. In addition they share a common reverence for the so called “Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists” led by Stepan Bandera, the infamous Nazi collaborators who actively fought against the Soviet Union and engaged in some of the worst atrocities committed by any side in World War II….” (Eris Draitser)
        link to counterpunch.org

        “In the latest debacle for the US State Department and the Obama Administration, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was caught on tape micro-managing Ukraine opposition party strategies with US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. That the Ukraine regime-change operation is to some degree being directed from Washington can no longer be denied..The taped conversation demonstrates in clear detail that while Secretary of State John Kerry decries any foreign meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs, his State Department is virtually managing the entire process.” (Daniel McAdams)
        link to counterpunch.org

        “Government buildings are being trashed, ransacked. It is happening in Kiev and Bangkok, and in both cities, the governments appear to be toothless, too scared to intervene.”

        “What is going on? Are popularly elected administrations all over the world becoming irrelevant; as the Western regime creates and then supports thuggish ‘opposition movements’ designed to destabilize any state that stands in the way of its desire to fully control the planet?” (Andre Vltchek)
        link to counterpunch.org

      • Ecru
        February 20, 2014, 1:48 am

        @ Hoppy

        …call members of the Orange Revolution neo-Nazis.

        Hoppy if you must insist on going on about Europe in these discussions then PLEASE learn something about the place and the countries that make it up.

        1) The Orange Revolution was some time ago now – what’s happening in Ukraine at the moment is not the Orange Revolution. It’s not even (yet) reached the point of revolution.

        2) It is a well attested fact that some of the protesters there, especially those involved in violence ARE ultra-nationalists. People who celebrate the SS (not so much for killing Jews as for killing Russians I’m afraid – sorry your antisemitism thing doesn’t even work too well when talking of actual neo-Nazis. How depressing for you is that?).

        You talk of us living in a black and white world and yet here you are revealing that in fact is yourself.

    • Sumud
      February 18, 2014, 8:26 pm

      If the article is correct in summarising the FRA Report it seems that report is about perceptions of anti-semitism by European jews rather than anti-semitism.

      These are the statistics it provides as evidence [my emphasis]:
      • Two-thirds of those polled for the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) felt antisemitism was a problem
      • 76% thought the situation was getting worse and that antisemitism had increased over the last five years
      • 46% said they worried about being verbally assaulted or harassed in public because they were Jewish
      • 57% said they had heard or seen someone claim over the last year that the Holocaust was a myth or had been exaggerated
      • 75% of respondents felt online antisemitism was a problem
      • 73% felt it had increased over the last five years.

      It’s no surprise to have people online denying the Holocaust or saying it’s exaggerated, there are trolls and liars everywhere online, right hophmi?

      It seems certain people want anti-semitism in their lives and when they can’t find it, they manufacture it out of thin air.

      But back to the report – no statistical data on physical attacks, anti-semitic graffiti, discrimination against jews etc.

      Just perception. That appears to be the serious problem.

      • German Lefty
        February 19, 2014, 6:38 am

        57% said they had heard or seen someone claim over the last year that the Holocaust was a myth or had been exaggerated

        This result shows that the perceptions have zero credibility. There is no way that this is true.
        If anything, people complain that the Holocaust is mentioned too often (e.g. to justify or distract from Zionist crimes). However, this doesn’t mean that people believe that the extent of the Holocaust is exaggerated.
        Also, people can rightly say that the imminence of a 2nd Holocaust is a myth or totally exaggerated.
        So, either the polled Jews misunderstood certain comments or they entirely made these comments up.

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:53 am

        “This result shows that the perceptions have zero credibility. There is no way that this is true.”

        You don’t think it’s possible that 57 percent of those who took the survey had heard or seen someone claim that the Holocaust was exaggerated or a myth? Really? I think you’re pretty naive. It’s a pretty common view, particularly among European Muslims.

        “If anything, people complain that the Holocaust is mentioned too often (e.g. to justify or distract from Zionist crimes)”

        You’re misrepresenting the truth. Germans in particular complain it’s mentioned too often because it’s such a integral part of the school curriculum, not because it’s used to “distract from Zionist crimes.”

        “So, either the polled Jews misunderstood certain comments or they entirely made these comments up.”

        Yes, you have a record of saying that it’s made up anytime Jews complain about discrimination in Europe. You should divest yourself of that attitude, which was all too common amongst your ancestors.

      • German Lefty
        February 19, 2014, 1:39 pm

        It’s a pretty common view, particularly among European Muslims.

        I highly doubt that. Besides, Holocaust denial is illegal here. If what you say were true, our prisons would be full of Muslims and the media would report about it.

        Germans in particular complain it’s mentioned too often because it’s such a integral part of the school curriculum, not because it’s used to “distract from Zionist crimes.”

        German teenagers complain that the Holocaust is dealt with too often at school. Additionally, German adults complain that the Holocaust is mentioned too often outside of school for the purpose of silencing critics of Israeli policies.

        Yes, you have a record of saying that it’s made up anytime Jews complain about discrimination in Europe. You should divest yourself of that attitude, which was all too common amongst your ancestors.

        Oh, you invoke the Holocaust again. How lame! Discrimination against Jews during the Nazi era could be proven objectively. However, there is no objective proof for present-day discrimination against Jews. Mere perception by Jews doesn’t count as evidence. The perception of widespread anti-Semitism is due to
        (1) paranoia and
        (2) a false definition or an incredibly loose interpretation of the word “anti-Semitism”.

      • Ecru
        February 20, 2014, 2:02 am

        @ Hoppy

        You don’t think it’s possible that 57 percent of those who took the survey had heard or seen someone claim that the Holocaust was exaggerated or a myth? Really? I think you’re pretty naive. It’s a pretty common view, particularly among European Muslims.

        57% but where are the controls in a self-selecting internet poll? Maybe 30% all heard the same conversation and reported that. Instant skew to the results. And that’s just a for-instance. And IS it a common view amongst Muslims Hoppy? Do you have any figure to back that statement up? Are you just relying on your own very evident prejudice there? And how many of the respondents to this poll move in Muslim circles anyway, that they would hear such statements? Can’t say that walking down the street I’ve ever just heard some random passer-by talking about the Holocaust. So where has this been heard?

        Germans in particular complain it’s mentioned too often because it’s such a integral part of the school curriculum, not because it’s used to “distract from Zionist crimes.

        Again, any actual facts to back this statement up? A survey of German attitudes to the Holocaust and how and where it’s presented? Gotta tell you I’m Irish and half the time I’m fed up of hearing about the Holocaust as if that was the only ever genocide (or at least the only one that counts). And yes I’m largely fed up of hearing about it because it’s used as cover for Zionist crimes. (And before you try it – Irish Americans going on about the Famine piss me off too.)

        Holocaust=BAD. We get it. 12 million murdered people, it’s not a heard thing to “get.” Pity Zionists have such difficulty with the concept, for you lot it’s 6 million murdered JEWS (and ONLY Jews) is bad; you can’t quite seem to make the leap to murdered people is bad.

      • jayn0t
        February 21, 2014, 12:57 am

        “All too common amongst your ancestors”. Suppose ‘German Lefty’ made a similar remark about Hophmi’s ancestors! We live in a philosemitic world.

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:47 am

        “But back to the report – no statistical data on physical attacks, anti-semitic graffiti, discrimination against jews etc.”

        One-third of the respondents to the FRA reported experiencing antisemitic harassment in the last five years. The report also showed that most Jews are afraid to report physical attacks to the police because they believe nothing will be done. Go ahead. Keep claiming it’s paranoia. How many Ilan Halimis do you need?

      • American
        February 19, 2014, 12:14 pm

        hophmi says:
        February 19, 2014 at 11:47 am
        “But back to the report – no statistical data on physical attacks, anti-semitic graffiti, discrimination against jews etc.”

        One-third of the respondents to the FRA reported experiencing antisemitic harassment in the last five years>>>>>

        Cry wolf, cry wolf, as usual.
        But lets ‘pretend’ anti semitism is really increasing…..WHAT EXACTLY do you think you can or should do about it?
        You will deny what resentment toward Jews that may exist is connected to Israel as the Jewish State…….SO, again I ask what do you think you can do or should be done about it.
        Give me a practical answer for this mounting anti semitism.
        Should Israel reform itself and right it wrongs to Palestine to quell this Jew hatred?
        Should all Jews flee to Israel?
        Should all anti semites be executed?
        Whats your solution?

      • eljay
        February 19, 2014, 2:28 pm

        >> Whats your solution?

        Good question. Based on what Zio-supremacists keep saying:
        – there’s no point to Jews demanding justice in the contries in which they reside because no Jew can truly be safe as long as his safety is in the hands of non-Jews (looks like the spokesman for the Community Security Trust missed that particular memo); and, therefore,
        – the only solution is for Jews to “return” to their “homeland” of “Jewish State”, where they’ll be permanently safe…except for the fact that they’re forever on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

      • Sumud
        February 19, 2014, 3:24 pm

        One-third of the respondents to the FRA reported experiencing antisemitic harassment in the last five years. The report also showed that most Jews are afraid to report physical attacks to the police because they believe nothing will be done.

        None of this mentioned in the article.

        Link to the report?

      • Shmuel
        February 19, 2014, 3:45 pm

        Link to the report?

        link to fra.europa.eu

    • Talkback
      February 18, 2014, 8:46 pm

      If that’s a serious problem, what is Antigoyism in Palestine?

    • RoHa
      February 18, 2014, 9:42 pm

      A poll of the opinions of Jews is hardly proof. How about an analysis of the numbers of actual anti-Semitic activities?

    • Ecru
      February 19, 2014, 1:17 am

      Dealt with this before Hoppy and you’re being dishonest. AGAIN!

      The survey is about a self-selecting samples PERCEPTIONS of anti-semitism not anti-semitism itself.

      • talknic
        February 19, 2014, 5:31 am

        Hophmi is an obvious propagandist. Honesty is not in the brief

      • hophmi
        February 19, 2014, 11:57 am

        “The survey is about a self-selecting samples PERCEPTIONS of anti-semitism not anti-semitism itself.”

        As I pointed out (again), a third of the respondents said that they had experienced antisemitic harassment. That’s not a “perception.”

        “Hophmi is an obvious propagandist. Honesty is not in the brief”

        I’m no more a propagandist than anyone else here. You guys simply shield yourselves from any truth that suggests a more complex world than the black and white one in which you live. You’re like children.

      • eljay
        February 19, 2014, 1:06 pm

        >> You’re like children.

        And you’re like a spoiled pre-school brat, refusing to accept the unpleasant fact being a Jew doesn’t entitle you or give you free reign to assault the other kids, steal their toys and drive them out of the room.

        Poor little Zio-supremacist brat, always wondering why the other kids dislike him so much, even as he self-righteously continues to assault and steal… :-(

      • Sumud
        February 19, 2014, 3:33 pm
        Hophmi is an obvious propagandist. Honesty is not in the brief

        I’m no more a propagandist than anyone else here. You guys simply shield yourselves from any truth that suggests a more complex world than the black and white one in which you live. You’re like children.

        Haha that’s pretty funny coming from someone who resorts to obviously untrue statements such as claiming BDS is about boycotting jews.

        On black and white worlds – there’s a difference between clarification and simplification – zionists often fake complexity when in fact they’re trying to obfuscate. It’s more obvious than you seem to think.

      • American
        February 19, 2014, 3:59 pm

        ”I’m no more a propagandist than anyone else here. You guys simply shield yourselves from any truth that suggests a more complex world than the black and white one in which you live. You’re like children”..hoppie

        Well out of the mouth of us babes:
        You stole and keeping stealing Palestine land and resources.
        And you refuse to return their land even though the world has declared it illegal.
        You are thieves.
        Even a child can understand that black and white.
        Nothing complex about it.

      • American
        February 19, 2014, 4:09 pm

        Why wont you answer my question hoppie?
        What is the solution for all this anti semitism you claim exist?

      • talknic
        February 19, 2014, 4:12 pm

        hophmi ” I’m no more a propagandist than anyone else here”

        Care to point out an instance where I’ve used propaganda …. thx Meanwhile your dishonesty is well documented

      • Ecru
        February 20, 2014, 1:28 am

        @ Hoppy

        From the actual report (yes Hoppy – next time you want to misrepresent something make sure it’s not freely available to others. How thick do you have to be to try that on?) (page 43).

        The results of the survey show that more than one quarter (26%) of respondents experienced antisemitic harassment – that is, an incident of harassment they feel was due to them being Jewish

        Just to be clear – “they feel”=A PERCEPTION.

        Now again from the incredibly flawed report that you’re trying (and failing – yet again) to pass off as representative of Jewish experience in Europe (page 7):-

        The survey was carried out online…[SNIP]…This method is, however, unable to deliver a random probability sample fulfilling the statistical criteria for representativeness.

        Even they admit it’s not possible to claim the findings (such as they are) are representative and yet here you are trying to do just that. Not trying (and failing) to use this report as propaganda are you Hoppy?

        I could go on, about how the JPR a Zionist think-tank was heavily involved not just in the actual data handling but also it seems in how the survey was worded. I could mention how “Official Jewish Groups” almost all of which are Zionist were consulted before-hand or how a debate in Germany started in response to Muslim circumcision was interpreted as being anti-semitic, but ultimately it’s pointless.

        You’ll continue to peddle this “anti-semitic Europe” drivel and only the other Ziombies will buy it. But at least have the good grace (Is a Zionist capable of that? Probably not.) to peddle it somewhere were the posters are more forgiving of your dishonest representations than they are here.

    • Shmuel
      February 19, 2014, 5:51 am

      He’s correct, of course. Antisemitism is a serious problem in Europe. link to theguardian.com

      Circular logic. BDS in Europe is a product of anti-Semitism because a survey of European Jews says that anti-Semitism is rife on the continent. A look at the survey shows, however, that 72% of respondents (self-selected), believe that “a non-Jewish person [is] antisemitic if he or she supports boycotts of Israeli goods/products”. So round and round we go.

      • seafoid
        February 19, 2014, 7:26 am

        What Jewish businesses in Europe are being boycotted ?

      • Shmuel
        February 19, 2014, 7:36 am

        What Jewish businesses in Europe are being boycotted ?

        I was referring to European BDS of Israel, of course — the subject of Netanyahu’s rant and Hophmi’s defence.

      • seafoid
        February 19, 2014, 8:13 am

        But Hoph says it is antisemitic. Does he have any examples of European Jewish businesses that are being boycotted ? Is Jonathan Freedland being targeted ?

  10. Balfour
    February 18, 2014, 3:56 pm

    Netanyahu intentionally confuses the Nazi disenfranchisement of Jews with his right to speak for the true collective needs of all Jewish people: that means 1) playing the holocaust card to stifle international criticism of Jewish ethnic settlements in the Occupied Territories and 2) ironically urging Americn Jews to place the political goals of the Jewish nation state before their civic loyality to the USA…for the first time in history Jews are being told by their “true ethnic leader” to voluntarily abandon a political state that has protected “The Jewish People” rather than “The Jewish People” be abandoned by a political state that has persecuted Jews.

  11. Shmuel
    February 18, 2014, 3:59 pm

    the most eerie thing, the most disgraceful thing … talking about the boycott of Jews

    So Jews are boycott proof? Is there a patented process involved?

  12. NormanF
    February 18, 2014, 4:07 pm

    Its one that’s going to pay diminishing returns. Israel is the center of a revolution as profound and far-reaching as the Industrial Revolution was in Great Britain in the 19th Century. That made Britain a world power. I suspect the Cyber Revolution will do the same for Israel.

    We’re not talking here about conquering territory. We’re talking about altering people’s work habits, their recreational activities, how they cook, how they sleep and what they learn to make their lives more productive. Israel’s contribution here will equal or exceed the contribution Jews bequeathed to the world in the Hebrew Bible. The power to reshape the human mind.

    This is a transformational moment in world history. People don’t yet know what that will mean but its one bound to change the world and human history as we’ve known it.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 18, 2014, 4:28 pm

      We’re talking about altering people’s work habits, their recreational activities, how they cook, how they sleep and what they learn to make their lives more productive. Israel’s contribution here will equal or exceed the contribution Jews bequeathed to the world in the Hebrew Bible. The power to reshape the human mind.

      thanks for clearing that up norm.

      • adele
        February 18, 2014, 5:07 pm

        that beacon of light keeps getting dimmer by the day.

    • eljay
      February 18, 2014, 4:28 pm

      >> NormanF @ February 18, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      Wow, so that’s what a Ziocaine high looks like. Impressive.

      • Shingo
        February 18, 2014, 5:20 pm

        Wow, so that’s what a Ziocaine high looks like. Impressive.

        It appears that what we are about to witness is a revival of the LSD blackouts of the 60s (only with Ziocaine ) , when the saying was that if you remembered the 60s, you weren’t really there.

    • just
      February 18, 2014, 4:39 pm

      “The power to reshape the human mind.”

      Norman– you are either joking or smoking, or both. The humming in your brain is a warning sign. The days of propaganda by the zionists is OVER.

    • Shingo
      February 18, 2014, 5:19 pm

      I suspect the Cyber Revolution will do the same for Israel.

      What is the Cyber Revolution?

      We’re not talking here about conquering territory.

      No, you;re just doing it while pretending otherwise by arguing it belongs to you.

      Israel’s contribution here will equal or exceed the contribution Jews bequeathed to the world in the Hebrew Bible.

      Oh please, put the bottle away Norman, and stop drinking and go to bed. There is noting Israel contributes that was not invented already or does not exist elsewhere.

      People don’t yet know what that will mean but its one bound to change the world and human history as we’ve known it.

      Apparently you don’t know either, but the voices in your head are telling you that whatever it is will be really cool.

    • Jethro
      February 18, 2014, 5:21 pm

      Get help. Immediately.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      February 18, 2014, 5:45 pm

      ”We’re not talking here about conquering territory.”

      Well, that’s a nice change.

    • libra
      February 18, 2014, 6:40 pm

      NormanF: The power to reshape the human mind.

      Oh dear, you mean we’ve all got to learn Hebrew?

    • Sibiriak
      February 18, 2014, 8:53 pm

      Israel’s contribution here will equal or exceed the contribution Jews bequeathed to the world in the Hebrew Bible.

      That’s setting a pretty low standard.

    • RoHa
      February 18, 2014, 9:40 pm

      “Israel’s contribution here will equal or exceed the contribution Jews bequeathed to the world in the Hebrew Bible.”

      “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”

      Thomas Paine, Age of Reason, Part First, Section 4

    • ritzl
      February 19, 2014, 7:50 am

      LOL. I had a friend who used to say, “I just had a Viet Nam flashback…and I’ve never been to Viet Nam.”

      Kinda fits here.

  13. HarryLaw
    February 18, 2014, 4:16 pm

    Netanyahu said ” We’re just doing what the United States did in the nineteenth century. But we’re doing it”. Could that be wiping out the indigenous population?

    • just
      February 18, 2014, 4:48 pm

      Terrific point, Harry.

      “Those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it.”

      Sadly, it seems that some in Israel and elsewhere are committed to the repetition of the most terrible histories……..they use the phrase “never forget” only when it suits their cruel agenda.

    • ritzl
      February 18, 2014, 5:25 pm

      Heh. That argument keeps popping up lately. Enough so that I have to believe it’s a focus-group tested argument. Derfner posed it here at MW, though my sense is it was an exercise in fishing for solid rebuttal lines of argument (though maybe not). I don’t believe he got anything catchy or concise.

      “You did it too!” is clearly a typically morally-regressive hasbara argument and/or shaming attempt, but it’s equally hard for hundreds-of-years-later US (post-colonial) beneficiaries to counter, again, concisely. You UK folks don’t suffer from that.

      My only attempt at a concise, resonating response, fwiw, is that we in the US, more or less contemporaneously with the formation of Israel, did in fact learn from our colonial past with the indigenous people of Alaska and Hawaii. We set up trusts for the future well being of indigenous peoples. Well after the fact, and a half-measure to be sure, but we did it. In real time.

      So this current, two-centuries-old hasbara guilt trip can be countered with coincident, real, actions, directly contrary to Israeli actions in the same time frame.

      Alaska:

      When Alaska became a state in 1959, not all of the Natives were fully informed of the consequences of the act that provided for its annexation. While section 4 of the act preserved Native lands, section 6 allowed for the state government to claim lands deemed vacant. Many lands soon became contested. Natives reserved their right to tribal lands, while others desired certain areas for industry, such as minerals, oil, and salmon.

      When Alaska became a state in 1959, not all of the Natives were fully informed of the consequences of the act that provided for its annexation. While section 4 of the act preserved Native lands, section 6 allowed for the state government to claim lands deemed vacant. Many lands soon became contested. Natives reserved their right to tribal lands, while others desired certain areas for industry, such as minerals, oil, and salmon.

      It was against this backdrop that the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) was developed and passed. In 1968, Governor Walter Hickel summoned a group of Native leaders to create a settlement that would be satisfactory to the Natives. The group met for ten days, included at least twelve recognized leaders, and asked for $20 million in exchange for requested lands. They also asked for 10% of federal mineral lease revenue.[1]

      A 9.2 earthquake struck the state in 1964. Recovery efforts drew the attention of the federal government, which found that Alaska Natives had the poorest living conditions in the country. The Federal Field Committee for Development Planning in Alaska decided that the Natives should receive $100 million and the 10% revenue royalty. Nothing was done with this proposal, however. President Nixon appointed Hickel as Secretary of the Interior. The Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN) protested against Hickel’s nomination, but he was eventually confirmed.[2]

      Hickel worked with the AFN, negotiating between them and state government over the disputed lands. Offers went back and forth, with each rejecting the other’s proposals. The AFN wanted rights to land, while Governor Keith Miller thought the state should pay nothing and that the Natives did not have legitimate claims to state land. The final bill was written in 1971 and was challenged in both the United States Senate and House of Representatives. Soon a new Alaskan state administration was able to stake out a position that the state’s Congressional representatives could agree upon. The state’s newly elected Senator, sole Congressman, and governor finally reached an agreement, in addition to the leaders of the Natives. The most controversial issues that held up the process were determining methods of land selection by Alaska Natives and financial distribution.[3]

      In 1968, the Atlantic-Richfield Company discovered oil at Prudhoe Bay on the Arctic coast, catapulting the issue of land ownership into headlines.[4] In order to lessen the difficulty of drilling at such a remote location and transporting the oil to the lower 48 states, the oil companies proposed to build a pipeline to carry the oil across Alaska to the port of Valdez, built on the ruins of the previous town. At Valdez, the oil would be loaded onto tanker ships and sent by water to the contiguous states. The plan was approved, but a permit to construct the pipeline, which would cross lands involved in the native dispute, could not be granted until the Native claims had been settled.

      With major petroleum dollars on the line, reaching agreement had new urgency, and in 1971, the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act was signed into law by President Nixon. It abrogated Native claims to aboriginal lands.[5] In return, Natives received up to 44 million acres (180,000 km2) of land and were paid $963 million. The land and money were divided among regional, urban, and village tribal corporations.

      Not perfect, but an acknowledgement, again concurrent with (’59-ish to ’71), and in high contrast with, Israeli colonization and ignored indigenous rights. We did it. They still choose to ignore the issue.

      Hawaii seems a little more of a mixed bag, stretching from 1921 with exclusive indigenous land rights, to now with attempts to broaden “indigenous” (i.e. <50% native Hawaiian) to beyond that:

      link to nbcnews.com

      But even in Hawaii, the principal of restitution for past colonial bad acts is the law of the land, again adopted concurrently with the visualization of Israel. They're just in the process of deciding whether those right's should be expanded, not whether those rights should exist.

      IOW, we in the US acknowledged, learned from, and acted upon past misdeeds, however imperfectly, in the same time frame during which Israel was implementing its cleansing of indigenous Palestinians. For Israel to argue "You did it too!," even then was disingenous. Today its just a rehearsed scam.

      Peace. Sorry for the length. I wish I could be concise. Your thought was on point and I figured I'd give it a shot.

      • HarryLaw
        February 18, 2014, 7:33 pm

        Thanks ritzl, for your very informative comment.

    • chuckcarlos
      February 18, 2014, 8:01 pm

      boy am I getting tired of these Israeli clowns who have not a clue about HISTORY…or just about anything else it appears

      I count 15 or 17 injuns, redmen, indians, native americans who won THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR for fighting and dying for THEIR COUNTY in the INDIAN WARS…which means they fought for the USA…

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      where’s shlomo sand when you need him?

    • Talkback
      February 18, 2014, 9:29 pm

      (delete)

  14. alfa
    February 18, 2014, 4:23 pm

    The weakness of Nutzi’s narrative is claiming he speaks and Israel speaks for “Jews”, when in fact his gang of colonialists are truthfully using “Jews” as human shields. To counter our narrative should focus on destroying the illusion That Nutzi and other elected officials Israeli speaks for and commands the “Jews”.

    • ritzl
      February 18, 2014, 5:56 pm

      I think that’s [one of] the principal goal[s] of this site.

      Good point about “human shields.”

  15. American
    February 18, 2014, 4:31 pm

    Gawd…..this is becoming absolutely comical.
    The delusions, illusions of grandeur, Netanyahu pours forth get bigger and deeper every day.
    Is he is totally out of touch with reality?
    Or is he just saying it for political consumption at home?

    • Justpassingby
      February 18, 2014, 4:55 pm

      This man is not healthy. Only racist is himself and the only boycots are his on Iran and Palestine.

    • just
      February 18, 2014, 5:11 pm

      And his latest:

      “Israel’s prime minister met with wounded Syrians treated at an Israeli hospital Tuesday and blamed Iran for bloodshed in neighboring Syria as world powers meet in Vienna for talks over Tehran’s nuclear program.

      Benjamin Netanyahu visited a hospital in the Golan Heights where Israeli doctors treat Syrians wounded in the civil war raging across the border. Although Israel and Syria are enemies having fought several wars, Israel provides medical treatment and humanitarian aid for wounded Syrians that reach its border.

      Netanyahu’s visit came as Iran and world powers are meeting in Vienna over a deal regarding Iran’s nuclear program.

      “Israel is saving the lives of those who have been wounded in the daily slaughter that is being perpetrated in Syria,” Netanyahu said. “This is the true face of Israel,” he said.

      “The bad part is that Iran is arming those who are carrying out the slaughter. This is the true face of Iran. All of the children who have been injured, to say nothing of those who have been killed, were injured as a result of Iran’s arming, financing and training the Assad regime in the massacres that it is perpetrating,” Netanyahu said.”

      More insanity from the Bibi here:

      link to abcnews.go.com

      And our government calls this serial killer, liar and thief- in- chief our best friend?

      • Jethro
        February 18, 2014, 5:24 pm

        Did the article mention that the Golan Heights is Syrian territory currently occupied by Israel, or did it just leave the reader to decide that “Israel and Syria are enemies” for some unknown reason. Probably anti-semitism.

      • just
        February 18, 2014, 8:05 pm

        ugh. I just watched “France 24″ with Robert Zarate of FPI on Iran.

        Must. shower. again.

      • eljay
        February 19, 2014, 10:10 am

        “Israel is saving the lives of those who have been wounded in the daily slaughter that is being perpetrated in Syria,” Netanyahu said. “This is the true face of Israel,” he said.

        “What about the Palestinians,” someone asked him. “Israel has been torturing and killing Palestinians, and stealing and colonizing their lands, for decades. Is that part of the ‘true face’ of Israel?”

        “Anti-Semitism!” roared Netanyahu. “Holocaust! Wipe off the map and push into the sea! Self-determination! Jewish homeland! Beacon of light! Not Saudi Arabia or Mali!”

  16. Annie Robbins
    February 18, 2014, 4:39 pm

    move over seattle cuz beersheva is on the rise.

  17. Justpassingby
    February 18, 2014, 4:55 pm

    What will the racist netanyahu do? He probably have nuclear weapons directed against europe.

    “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[7]”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld

  18. MahaneYehude1
    February 18, 2014, 4:55 pm

    “The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state.”

    Correct!!!

    • Shingo
      February 18, 2014, 8:52 pm

      “The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state.”

      That’s a blatant lie. One of the leaders of the BDS movement is in favor of 1ss. That doesn’t mean this is the goal of BDS.

      The fact that there are Israeli Jews who say non Jews were put on earth to serve Jews does not mean all Jews or Israel stands for this ideology.

      • Sibiriak
        February 18, 2014, 10:21 pm

        Shingo:

        One of the leaders of the BDS movement is in favor of 1ss. That doesn’t mean this is the goal of BDS.

        This site, link to bdsmovement.net , states that the goals of BDS are:

        1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall

        2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and

        3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194

        (Wikipedia as well states those goals, linking to that site.)

        That statement of goals is found by going to the heading “Learn” [about BDS] and selecting “The Call for BDS” from the drop down menu.

        However, that 3-point goals statement is really only a historical document . A revised statement of goals can be found under the heading “Introducing the BDS Movement”.

        Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;

        Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and

        Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

        Goal 1 was changed to restrict the meaning of occupation to territories occupied by Israel in 1967, since an unqualified call to end the “occupation and colonization of all Arab lands” could easily be interpreted to mean a call for the end of the Jewish State, Israel.

        However, isn’t a call for the end to the occupation/colonization of post 1967 territories acquired by Israel effectively equivalent to a call for two states , at least in the short term, since an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza would mean Palestine, already a de jure state, becoming a de facto state alongside Isreal?

        And isn’t that notion of two states reinforced by the separate call for full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel ?

        Another question: Would not “recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality” by itself mean the end of the Jewish state (“nation state for the Jewish people”), i.e. change it from an Jewish ethnocratic state into a liberal-democratic state without special rights for Jews? In other words, is full equality in Israel compatible with Israel being a “Jewish state”?

        Finally, would “respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194″ threaten the Jewish majority, and thus threaten to end the Jewish State, or would there be too few refugees to even make that an issue?.

      • Shingo
        February 19, 2014, 5:56 am

        Goal 1 was changed to restrict the meaning of occupation to territories occupied by Israel in 1967, since an unqualified call to end the “occupation and colonization of all Arab lands” could easily be interpreted to mean a call for the end of the Jewish State, Israel.

        So why did you waste all that time insisting that BDS explicitly cite a 2ss, when there is no call for any 2ss on any legal document? Ending occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall is perfectly in accord with UNSC242. UNSC242 says nothing about a 2ss.

        However, isn’t a call for the end to the occupation/colonization of post 1967 territories acquired by Israel effectively equivalent to a call for two states , at least in the short term, since an end to Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza would mean Palestine, already a de jure state, becoming a de facto state alongside Isreal?

        Yes, which is why I am wondering why you wasted your time and mine arguing that BDS had not stated that already.

        And isn’t that notion of two states reinforced by the separate call for full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel ?

        No. They are mutually exclusive but not contradictory.

        Would not “recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality” by itself mean the end of the Jewish state (“nation state for the Jewish people”)

        Only if you accept that Israel is a Jewish state. There certainly is no legal basis for it to be such.

        Finally, would “respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194″ threaten the Jewish majority, and thus threaten to end the Jewish State

        See above. If the existence of a Jewish state violate international law and human rights, then is it not obvious that there is no moral or legal case for a Jewish state anyway?

    • Talkback
      February 18, 2014, 9:08 pm

      If calling for equal rights means the end of an ethnocracy, so be it.

    • Sibiriak
      February 18, 2014, 9:28 pm

      MahaneYehude1:

      “The founders of the BDS movement make their goals perfectly clear. They want to see the end of the Jewish state.”

      Correct!!!

      Actually, on that point the founders of BDS made their goals unclear , taking no official position on one or two states. Personally, they have made statements supporting one democratic state (or one Palestine next to another Palestine) which would indeed mean the end of the Jewish state.

      In any case, boycotts, divestment, and sanctions are tactics and their application is not limited to the specific formulation of goals put forward by the “BDS founders” in their 2005 call for action.

  19. TheWatcherWatching
    February 18, 2014, 7:50 pm

    He calls for more sanctions against Iran, in the same breath he calls sanctions against Israel antisemitic. Israel has has more nukes then china, Iran signed the NPT Israel hasn’t, Iran hasn’t gone to war in over 300 years Israel is at war every other year.

    More of the same from the zioturds

  20. chuckcarlos
    February 18, 2014, 8:28 pm

    You and I, that’s if you live in the USA…Puerto Rico, Guam mostly included…

    well You and I live in a multi racial, multi ethnic society…some folks speak Cantonese, some Tagalog, some good ole Castilian, Kiowa-Tinoan, the girl who is my MD also speaks Urdu or Hindi (same difference and never asked)….

    that’s life in California

    don’t think the Zionists or quite a few Israelis ever got the BIG PICTURE and they had better get with it or their days are numbered

    The Crow were with Custer at Little Big Horn but split before he went down there

    • Annie Robbins
      February 18, 2014, 8:53 pm

      super video yikes ;)

      • W.Jones
        February 19, 2014, 12:19 am

        Excellent video

    • seafoid
      February 19, 2014, 7:51 am

      Shah Rukh Khan is such a star. Most of the people who watch his fans would have no time for hasbara.

      Bijli pani sadak
      Electricity, water, food is where it is at for most people in the world.

  21. Shingo
    February 18, 2014, 8:56 pm

    Anyone seen this?

    Israeli Apartheid Week 2014 Trailer

    • seafoid
      February 19, 2014, 8:24 am

      Israeli apartheid translates as Jewish Destiny in Hebrew

      Justice translates as anti-Semitism

      Decency translates as losing

  22. Sibiriak
    February 18, 2014, 8:58 pm

    the most disgraceful thing, is to have people on the soil of Europe talking about the boycott of Jews

    I must have missed it. Has a boycott of Jews been announced?

    • Talkback
      February 18, 2014, 9:25 pm

      Bibi sees only Jews in Israel as humans and therefore as targets of a boycott against Israel.

      • seafoid
        February 18, 2014, 10:53 pm

        That is so true.
        They never look at all the people under the carpet

  23. a blah chick
    February 18, 2014, 9:27 pm

    “In the past, anti-Semites boycotted Jewish businesses and today they call for the boycott of the Jewish state. And by the way, only the Jewish state.”

    Well, that’s not true. If you google “current boycotts” you get all kinds of hits about campaigns against companies and countries that someone thinks engage in questionable activities. Athletic shoe companies, like Addidas and Nike, have been called out for their labor practices. On various websites I found information about boycotts ongoing against the following countries: Botswana; China; Canada; Japan; Mauritius; Russia; to name a few. And let us not forget the blockades of Cuba and Gaza. So Israel is NOT being singled out. It’s because of the hissy fits thrown by its supporters that the boycott of Israel gets so much attention. Also I don’t know of any boycotts against companies because they are “Jewish” owned, only for their support, passive or active, of the occupation.

    And another thing, why aren’t boycotts and sanctions against Iran “delegitimizing”? It seems that when talking about Israel words suddenly take on entirely different meanings. Just asking.

  24. just
    February 19, 2014, 5:51 am

    And so:

    “An Israeli official says dozens of African migrants have accepted an offer to relocate to Uganda.

    The announcement comes weeks after officials said a third country would begin to accept migrants in Israel.

    About 50,000 African migrants, mostly from Eritrea and Sudan, have poured into Israel in recent years. The Africans say they are fleeing persecution and danger. Israel says they are job-seekers, but does not deport them because they could face danger in their conflict-ridden countries.

    The official said Israel paid $3500 each in recent weeks to about 30 migrants who agreed to leave for Uganda.

    Israel also recently began sending African migrants to a new detention center in Israel’s south.

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publically on the matter.”

    link to abcnews.go.com

    Human trafficking anyone?

    • Sumud
      February 20, 2014, 2:18 am

      About 50,000 African migrants, mostly from Eritrea and Sudan, have poured into Israel in recent years. The Africans say they are fleeing persecution and danger. Israel says they are job-seekers, but does not deport them because they could face danger in their conflict-ridden countries.

      The word the ABC failed to use was REFUGEES.

      Why doesn’t the ABC tell us exactly how many non-jewish refugees Israel has given permanent residency and full citizenship to?

      Why doesn’t the ABC explains to us all how religious/racial supremacism is OK if jews are the perpetrators…?

  25. traintosiberia
    February 19, 2014, 8:36 am

    Is Bibi threatening? Is he raising the possibility of hacking to expose the bank account,funding,business money flow ,and personal data of anyone involved with BDS.? He seems to be doing that,raising possibilities of other kind of Internet- based vendetta,reprisal,and disinformation.

  26. Elisabeth
    February 19, 2014, 4:53 pm

    At first I thought he was just ranting on about how clever (Ashkenazi ) Jews are, but then he says: “It’s crystallized here for a variety or reasons. It’s not always easy to explain why these things happen…”
    What does he mean? Divine intervention?

  27. Sumud
    February 20, 2014, 2:36 am

    Elisabeth ~

    …but then he says: “It’s crystallized here for a variety or reasons. It’s not always easy to explain why these things happen…”
    What does he mean? Divine intervention?

    According to Jeff Halper 60% of Israeli companies are involved in war industries. So conflict, death, destruction, occupation and suffering – all of that makes a good day for the Israeli economy.

    Netanyahu is supposedly to be giving a PEP talk, it’s going to be a bit of a downer to say “our state was built on human misery and we profit from it immensely today”.

    The Startup Nation’s renewable resource is War and the only innovation is in selling itself to the world as a civilised nation.

    *Halper’s talk is long and if you understand I/P much of the first half will be familiar, the second half well worth it though when he gets down to details of Israel’s war industries.

    • Elisabeth
      February 20, 2014, 7:51 am

      Thank you for that link to Jeff Halpern’s talk. I think you are right in your interpretation of what Netanyahu said.

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