After brutal police beating, Palestinian-American Tarek Abu Khdeir, 15, sentenced to home arrest without charge

Tarek Abu Khdeir speaks moments after his release about his beating and arrest.

Just before noon Tarek Abu Khdeir, the 15-year-old American-Palestinian who was brutally beaten by Israeli police last Thursday, walked into court wearing the same clothes he had on when arrested. After a brief closed deliberation, with media corralling in the narrow hallway of the Jerusalem District Court, he was released after the payment of $880 (3,000 NIS) and under the condition of spending nine days under house arrest, despite not being charged with any crime. During arraignment, prosecutors for the police originally requested Abu Khdeir remain in the country for 15 days– an additional six days past his scheduled flight out– during which time an investigation against him will continue. Police have sealed the details of the on-going inquiry.

The youth will be remanded to a relative’s house in nearby Beit Hanina, East Jerusalem, as the judge issued a stay away order against his uncle’s home where he was apprehended.  Indeed it is a family vacation gone terribly awry, leaving the high schooler at risk of detention in a foreign prison, and his parents mystified.

“They are holding him under investigation to try to pin something on him and I’m not happy with that,” said the youth’s mother, Suha Abu Khdeir outside of the Jerusalem District Court. If police decide to charge Abu Khdeir, he will not be allowed to exit Israel on July 16th as planned. “Why should he have to stay here,” she continued, “my son almost died from that beating.”

Police assert Abu Khdier was detained because he threw rocks during a demonstration. However his family rejects the claim, maintaining he was picked up at random in a sweep during a demonstration near their home. There is a video of the arrests that a neighbor filmed, which picks up with Abu Khdeir already lying on the pavement, with police striking his body until he lost consciousness.

Tarek Abu Khdeir following his injuries. (Photo provided and published with consent from the Abu Khdeir family)

Tarek Abu Khdeir following his injuries. (Photo provided and published with consent from the Abu Khdeir family)

“He’s very badly injured. He’s not recognizable,” said Suha Abu Khdeir.  “I burst out into tears for the first time seeing him. They haven’t let me see him in three days. This is my first time seeing him. He doesn’t look like himself. He was crying as well,” she continued.

Tarek Abu Khdeir is only 15, and an American citizen of Palestinian background. He is not a resident of Jerusalem, where he was beaten and arrested days ago by Israeli police, yet his detention last Thursday has thrust him to the center of the on-going struggles in Shuafat. It is the neighborhood of his family, one of the largest in the middle-class East Jerusalem area, and the focal point of near continuous clashes that have spread across the city since a Palestinian youth– in fact Tarek’s first cousin Mohammed Abu Khdeir– was abducted and burned alive days ago.

Since Monday, clashes have taken hold of Shuafat and nearly every Palestinian hamlet in East Jerusalem following the abduction of Mohamed Abu Khdeir, 16. The teen was abducted on Tuesday and burned to death in an apparent revenge killing after the bodies of three Israeli youths were found in the West Bank outside of Hebron the day before. Eyal Yifrach, Gilad Shaar and Nafatli Fraenkel were forced into a car in the Gush Etzion settlement block three weeks ago, setting into motion a series of anti-Arab retaliation attacks. Aside from Tarek and Mohammed, there was also an attempted kidnapping in Shuafat days ago; Mousa Zalum, 10, just managed to escape.

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  1. Kay24 says:

    It seems the Israeli government has chosen yet another liar, to become their ambassador here. As usual with a straight face, Ron Dermer, justified the brutal attack on young Tarek, by accusing him of being one of six kids who threw molotav cocktails and other stuff, at the Israeli troops. Lets pretend this is true, it still does not justify why a handcuffed young kid, who was not violent at that time, was so brutally attacked, kicked in head, and violently handled. Martha Radaatz let that go, and did not question him about that. Typical deflect Dermer style, blame the victim.
    He did make small noises about Israel not using excessive violence, which was laughable. Dermer has the talent to lie with such an injured face, it is fascinating to watch this liar in action.

    • Kay24

      Pathetic israel, sounds more and more like holocaust deniers.

      As for Tarek he seems to be quite smart, if he want he could ignite a movement against this racism and violence against palestinians.
      Rachel Carrie didnt have the same “luck”.

    • ritzl says:

      The question came up on the Alterman-Blumenthal furball whether the Nation should have more Palestinian/Arab writers describing this conflict. The indignant reply was that it was/is antisemitic to suggest that Jewish writers can’t be just as objective on this issue as Palestinian/Arab writers. While it’s true that some can (e.g. here) this Radatz-Dermer and the Blitzer-Oren show that an ability to be even remotely objective on this issue is absolutely NOT a given. Matter of fact, it has to be assumed otherwise. Disclaimers are required as in “I am a Jewish supporter of Israel interviewing the Israeli ambassador about allegations that Israel… [soft-pedaled, heinous act du jour].”

      • Kay24 says:

        I watched part of the Melissa Harris-Perry segment, and was quite impressed that she had a balanced panel, and that the criticism was not muted as usual. I wish I could have watched it from the start. It was a very interesting discussion. Chances of Chris Mathews and others on MSNBC criticizing Israel for this horrible situation is slim to none.

        Only a handful of Jewish writers and journalists are capable of being honest and able criticize Israel, in the US media. Everyone tries hard to toe that line, and if they do say something mildly negative about Israel,
        it is immediately followed by one of the Palestinians.

    • Djinn says:

      As Yousef Munayyer said, referring to Mohammed’s torture & murder a as a revenge killing plays into the idea that Palestinians are collectively responsible for anything any Palestinian does.

      On Tareq, even if he *was* throwing stones, since when do police get to beat people? There seems to be this view that violence (again even if it happened) justifies cops acting like blackshirts. It doesn’t. Anywhere, let alone in a nation that never ceasing of squawking about how it’s a democracy.

    • forgive me, but i watched the abc world news tonight last night just to see and hear “how” they would report on this. as expected, they deftly manuevered around the taboo subject matter of never criticizing israel under any circumstance by the fill-in host introducing it to her ignorant american mind-numbed audience by never mentioning the israeli “defense” forces being resposible but also never mentioning that the boy was palestinian-american, only the announcer in the video did, but the whole tenor of the piece seemed to put israel resposibility in the background.
      same ol same ol from abc, and there’s no way to complain, i’ve tried before and they have a very effective barrier system.

      • Kay24 says:

        I agree. In fact when Ron Dermer showed outrage at the rockets he said were sent into Israel, Raaditz never mentioned that Israel was bombing Gaza in return (as if one can compare the two anyway).

    • don’t bring martha radaatzt’s name up. she is the judith miller of the mass media tv news who was most responsible for spreading the neocon lies of saddams weapons and all the crap reporting about the iraq war and contaminating the american public.
      like the famous chines military historian and strategist of the “art of war ” said many centuries ago, “the most important thing in winning a war is not on the battlefield but winning over the minds of the populace”.
      martha radaatz nor judith miller never carried a gun, but look at the horrible damage they helped do, all those stupid brainwashed idiots out there!
      i’ve met professional well “educated” people who turn into raving maniacs when talking about pslestine. one, who “religiously” listens to michael”weiner” savage while he fills out prescriptions.

      • come back home to america and speak out everywhere as much as you can

      • Henry Norr says:

        FWIW, the story of Tarek Abu Khdeir , reported briefly but without any particular Zionist spin, was the lead item in the NPR hourly headlines all morning today. Same on Saturday evening, except then they sometimes put it second after the news that his cousin was burned alive.

        Terrible as all this is for the Abu Khdeir family, it can’t be good for the Zionists.

        • Kay24 says:

          The entire world seems disgusted with the zionists, and their human animals.
          Bibi gets full marks as rabble rouser, promoting hate, and giving the green light to his nation to punish ALL Palestinians. A real piece of work.

  2. a blah chick says:

    And today the police have announced that the Shelly Dadon murder was a hate crime. But I’m sure there’s no connection to recent events.

    • Ellen says:

      And they say that a suspect is identified. But the apparently the evidence does not point to the suspect. The narrative has been lost and is getting desperate.

      Two young men murdered by the IDF a few weeks back. It is caught on video. Israel claims it to be a Pallywood fake. Apparently no ongoing investigation. They were only Palistinian teens murdered, so not need.

      Then three young Israelis kidnapped and murdered. Hamas is blamed within minutes. Meanwhile two Palestinians are accused, but neither they nor evidence pointing to them has been produced.

      Even the families of these murdered Israeli boys are horrified at how their government botched police work and turned the tragedy into a campaign against Hamas and the Palestinian population.

      Gangs of Israelis go on the rampage for revenge. (the US Embassy warns all US citizens to be aware of surroundings and stay in groups and away for isolated areas.)

      There are scattered reports of attacks of Palestinians.

      A Palestinian teen is kidnapped and murdered in a horrific manner with gasoline doused into him as he is burnt alive. The Israeli government authorities try to get the parents of the victim to sign papers that it was an honor crime. They remove recordings from the family surveillance system. Reports are then released by the police that the victim was a homosexual teen.

      Only when copies of the surveillance films are sent to the British press by the family is the material used to identify the perpetuators of the crime. They and others are now in detention for 8 days. (Then out on bail?)

      The cousin of the murdered Palestinian is apprehended by police and while lying on the ground and handcuffed is repeatedly beaten and kicked by three Israeli policemen. He is lucky to have survived, and hopefully without permanent injuries.

      The police who beat him are unable to substantiate their claims to the court that the boy threw rocks, had a knife, had a slingshot or even resisted arrest.

      Meanwhile the Israeli Ambassador to the US repeats the now discredited claims of the completed discredited Israeli police force.

      These are the dynamics of a country that has been usurped by its own extremists (every society has ‘em): When the state officials protect and support extreme, nationalistic and criminal elements to this degree we have to ask if the abyss is near.

      No wonder why so many Israelis are leaving while they still can.

      • seafoid says:

        Re the police, honour killing and the gay rumour- might have worked with another family but the police didn’t think the video would get to the UK media. They are so provincial in their bigotry. Jews with the smarts mostly don’t live in Israel.

      • Elliot says:

        Yes, Ellen.
        Another revealing detail: this time, even the Hasbara machine wasn’t able to fake the lie that Israel’s Palestinian citizens are equal under the law.
        Shu’afat was annexed by Israel and its residents are, per Israel, Israelis. When three Israeli (Jewish) teens are murdered, the Prime Minister speaks at the funeral; when rockets fell on the Israeli (Jewish) town of Sderot, a senior minister, Ya’ir Lapid, visited in a show of official support.
        But when an Israeli (Palestinian) boy is brutally murdered, Israeli (Jewish) government officials are nowhere to be found. No wonder the residents of Shu’afat are terrified. I would be on the streets too if my government abandoned me to the goons.

      • Mooser says:

        “These are the dynamics of a country that has been usurped by its own extremists”

        With all due respect (and that’s a lot!) can you tell me how Israel could ever have been established without “extremists”? To push in, always exceeding the limits of whatever tenuous ‘mandate’ they were given, to use violence at the drop of a yamulke, to manipulate their co-coreligionists, is the work of moderates?

  3. seafoid says:

    I wonder what Jen Psaki will have to say tomorrow about the brutal beating of an American by Ruritanian police, with their reputation for bigotry.

  4. ritzl says:

    Well, Israel got more than it can handle this time. Not releasing Mohammed’s body pending something something something. Beating to unconsciousness, arresting, detaining, and fining (for ZERO reason since he has not been charged…oh wait, I forgot, 99.7% conviction rate, so they already know he’ll have to pay a fine… ) his US Citizen, lightly-accented, cousin Tariq who has a non-accented mother doing interviews in major media acting like any normal outraged US Citizen would act (jail the mofos [my word] who did this). And they shoot CNN’s Ben Wedeman in the head with a “rubber” bullet (for the second time, first in 2000) just to punctuate and amplify the story.

    This is an “everyman” story and it’s going to linger. I’ll reiterate what piotr said the other day, the Abu Khdeir [Khdair] family has saved a lot of lives. Certainly in the short term, but maybe/hopefully/God willing they have changed the dynamic for good (in all senses of that phrase) by exposing Israeli BS in excruciatingly painful, real-time, side-by-side, inescapable contrast between the image and reality of Israeli oppression.

    Finally, this has got to hit Obama and Susan Rice pretty hard because if their “wrong skin color” kids had been in Tariq’s place they would have ended up looking like Tariq as well. It’s just what Israel does.

    • seafoid says:

      The dynamics of the situation are fascinating.
      The bots are more and more cornered by international opinion which sees Israel as part of the jungle rather than the villa.

      they were so gung ho last week
      link to haaretz.com
      “9:15 P.M. President Shimon Peres releases a press release, saying, “The entire nation is bowing its head with unbearable sorrow this evening. Over the past 18 days the nation prayed as one that the fate of our wonderful teenagers would be that they are found alive and well. Now that the bitter news has come, the entire Israeli nation mourns the premature death of our finest youth… Alongside deep sorrow, we will remain resolute to punish the atrocious terrorists. Our war on terrorism will only intensify and will not waver so that this murderous terrorism won’t dare to rear its head.”
      9:08 P.M. Deputy Minister Tzipi Hotovely (Likud): “The despicable kidnapping and murder of the students cannot go by in silence, and the those responsible in Gaza must pay the price. The government of Israel must declare a war to the death on Hamas, which is responsible for the murders, and return to the policy of [targeted] assassination.”
      9:05 P.M. The security cabinet is expected to discuss Israeli responses to the teens’ killing. (Barak Ravid)
      9:02 P.M. Deputy Defense Minister Danny Danon (Likud) called for an all-out military assault aimed at the total destruction of Hamas. “This tragic ending must also be the ending of Hamas! The nation is strong and ready to absorb [attacks] for the sake of a mortal blow against Hamas. … [W]e have to destroy the homes of Hamas activists, wipe out their arsenals everywhere, and stop the flow of money that directly or indirectly keeps terror alive… make the entire Palestinian leadership pay a heavy price.”
      8:58 P.M. Opposition leader MK Isaac Herzog (Labor): “There is no explanation or human justification [for the murders] and I’m sure that that the long arm of the security forces will reach the murderers. We have known painful attacks and overcame them, and so it will be this time. This is our life in this country.”
      8:51 P.M. Economy Minister Naftali Bennett responds to the news, saying, “The murder of children is unforgivable. Our hearts are with the families right now. Now is the time for actions; not talk.” (Barak Ravid)”

      And now Mililkovsky is telling everyone to chill. It’s mad.

      For years they ran things according to the maxim of their Ur terrorist, Ben Gurion who said “It doesn’t matter what the goys say, what matters is what the Jews do”
      And this week that maxim died in Galut.

      • international opinion which sees Israel as part of the jungle rather than the villa.

        I know you’re paraphrasing but still you’re insulting the jungle (what’s wrong with the jungle) and insulting the Arab people (they’re part of the “terrible” jungle)

        Israel is definitely the villa : surrounded by fences/wall/barricades … no natural wild life tolerated, any insects and lovely form of life annihilated on the spot, guns …
        In the jungle, wild life flourishes, all kind of extraordinary species live, even human tribes live there respecting their host environnement …

        Enjoy your post generally though

      • Taxi says:

        They’re asking “everyone to chill” cuz they just (duh!) realized that they can indeed start a war with Gaza anytime they want to but they can’t finish it; they cannot dictate the time military engagement stops cuz hamas’s weaponry has improved in range and will just keep ‘rocketing’ back at israel.

        Hamas for sure has inferior weaponry to israel, but what they newly possess now will still do the job alright.

        “A hospital for a hospital, a school for a school and an airport for an airport” – hamas is following the path of hizbollah in achieving a ‘balance of terror’ with the zionist state, and the racist israeli military complex, as much as it wants a violent third intifada, will have its hands full if a third intifada breaks out and israeli civil society (is there such a thing?!) finds itself much fainting and running petrified into shelters, practically closing down the whole goddam country.

        Of course the cowardly zionist leaders therefore are having second thoughts.

        • es1982 says:

          “Of course the cowardly zionist leaders therefore are having second thoughts.”

          Sounds like you want an all out war. How peaceful of you. Some on the right wing believe that the Palestinians and their supporters see moderation and patience as cowardice and weakness. I would like to think it isn’t true about most, because then the only answer is always force, but it certainly is true about you.

          • Woody Tanaka says:

            “Sounds like you want an all out war. How peaceful of you.”

            No, it sounds like taxi is rightly damning the cowardly zionist leaders for starting the conflict in the first place, rather than seeking peace.

          • Some on the right wing believe that the Palestinians and their supporters see moderation and patience as cowardice and weakness.

            there’s nothing more cowardly than burning a child alive, so you can tell whoever it is on the ‘right’ that you’re listening to, they sound like a fool. and for you to repeat it, “sounds like you want an all out war. How peaceful of you.”

            see how easy that was?

            because then the only answer is always force

            w/a touch of sadism thrown in for good measure eh? flog away while blaming the victim?

            “A hospital for a hospital, a school for a school and an airport for an airport”

            each one of those actions is a response to israeli violence (their gov only knows force), if you’re advocating sitting back and taking it as ‘moderation’ how about advocating that for israel? are you merely suggesting that is (or would be) the appropriate (moderate) palestinian response? or are you advocating israel lay down their arms? please elaborate on what level of peace maker you are.

          • Taxi says:

            “Sounds like you want an all out war”.

            Says the raving settler while posting from an illegal settlement full of demented and violent illegal aliens.

    • seafoid says:

      “Well, Israel got more than it can handle this time. Not releasing Mohammed’s body pending something something something”

      they were all over the media for the 3 murdered Jewish kids but they seem to have lost their magic touch for the vigilante lynching

  5. es1982 says:

    Two corrections: the 3,000 shekels are bail, not a fine. I assume this money will be returned to him at the end of his house arrest. Second, his house arrest isn’t a “sentence” – he was remanded to house arrest, which is something that happens to suspects who haven’t been convicted all the time, including in the United States.

    Having said that, I think he should have been released without conditions and all charges dropped. Hopefully, the policemen who brutally beat him will be punished. I also think Netanyahu should pull a King Hussein and offer to visit the Abu Khdeir family to demonstrate his opposition to racist attacks. If the family says no, which they probably would, he should respect their wishes. If they say yes, he should go, or at least invite them to his own residence if his presence in Shuafat would do more harm than good.

    • Rania says:

      es1982: ” Second, his house arrest isn’t a “sentence” – he was remanded to house arrest, which is something that happens to suspects who haven’t been convicted all the time, including in the United States.”

      Not without charge, it doesn’t.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “I also think Netanyahu should pull a King Hussein and offer to visit the Abu Khdeir family to demonstrate his opposition to racist attacks.”

      But he clearly isn’t opposed to racist attacks. His whole political life has been one giant series of racist attacks on Palestinians. What he opposes is opposition to Jewish political dominance and Judeo-supremacism.

      Such an offer coming from him would be like an offer by the head of the KKK to a black family of a lynching victim back in the 1930s, after the incendiary rhetoric by that same head of the KKK led some of the Klansman to commit the lynching.

    • Elliot says:

      Had Netanyahu been less of a bully and more of a man, he would have visited Shuafat right after Mohammed was murdered. He could have given a speech and embraced the Palestinian citizens of Jerusalem as brothers. He might have headed off this blow up.
      Annie’s conjecture that the policemen who brutalized Tarek were sent there to terrorize Mohammed’s family is not unreasonable. As we cans see, the Israeli government’s strategy is to pummel Hamas, Gaza and the Palestinians into submisson. Tarek’s case is emblematic.

  6. Just unbelievable. If anything shows the moral cesspit that Israel has become, surely this will show it to the world. So drunk on their own power, so insulated from reality have they become, that they think they can do anything, behave any way they like, lie, smear and attack ordinary citizens who just happen not to be the chosen ones. If any of them had even half a brain cell, they would realise the effect of this and the Mohamed killing, and act accordingly – jailing the killers and apologising profusely to Tarek’s family and the US, freeing him and compensating him and his family. But no, incredibly, they attack him and arrest him with no evidence or charges, beat him to a pulp, whilst ignoring the wealth of evidence about Mohamed’s killers, and think it is all ok. I don’t see how anyone can support this desperate mob of out-of-control gangsters and racists, clearly they think they are immune to any punishment or opprobrium, whilst still demanding the US taxpayer – people like Tarek’s parents, and eventually Tarek himself – will keep handing over their earnings to them. Incredible arrogance from the squatter, fascist state. If Obama has a spine, this is his opportunity to demonstrate whose side he is on.

  7. Sycamores says:

    6 Jewish nationalists arrested in Jerusalem revenge killing of Arab teen

    link to jpost.com

    shouldn’t that be

    6 Jewish terrorists arrested in Jerusalem revenge killing of Arab teen

    reading the comment sections from different websites over the last few days i was disgusted by what many pro-Israeli commentors were saying about Muhammad Abu Khdeir, his family, Palestinians and Arabs in general but as the news is spreading that Jewish terrorists are suspected to be involved, a reasonable number of the said pro-Israeli commentors are seemingly genuinely appalled and ashame. i hope this is a wake up call

    • seafoid says:

      East Jerusalem is part of the eternal capital of Israel so how could the murder be nationalist ?

    • 6 Jewish nationalists arrested in Jerusalem revenge killing of Arab teen

      Correct. It was short time after the murder of Abu Khdeir. I hope that all here that said that the Israeli police will erase evidences and wouldn’t do real investigation, at least say something good about the police work.

      • amigo says:

        “Correct. It was short time after the murder of Abu Khdeir. I hope that all here that said that the Israeli police will erase evidences and wouldn’t do real investigation, at least say something good about the police work.” mehane

        Amazing what they can do when Israel,s crimes get into MSM around the globe.But not to worry, Israeli justice system has a revolving door for these killers so your wonderful police work is all in vain.

        Btw , will their homes be demolished or are you demanding a trial first unlike the Palestinian suspects who have not been arrested yet, nor is there any proof.Oh no, Israel just goes ahead and destroys their homes and kicks their family out onto the street.

        Oh and dont tell me , there is no organization behind these settler animals.

      • Sycamores says:

        hi Mahane,

        if you were unfamiliar with the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir sure you would be impressed by the Israeli Police force.

        but neither you nor I are unfamiliar with the events so far

        after Muhammad body was found the Israeli Police Falsely Report Murdered Palestinian Boy Was Gay, Flooding Social Media with Disinformation link to richardsilverstein.com

        Israeli border police brutally beat Tarek Abu Khdeir, Mahummad 15 year old cousin link to mondoweiss.net

        the growing international media attention both of Mahummad brutal murder and Tarek, an US citizen, savage beating has a large hand to play in this for the Israeli police to put an end to this uncomfortable global attention.

        Detention of Tariq Khdeir

        Press Statement
        Jen Psaki
        Department Spokesperson
        Washington, DC

        July 5, 2014

        ——————————————————————————–

        We can confirm that Tariq Khdeir, an American citizen, is being held by Israeli authorities in Jerusalem. He was visited by an official from the U.S. Consulate General in Jerusalem today.

        We are profoundly troubled by reports that he was severely beaten while in police custody and strongly condemn any excessive use of force. We are calling for a speedy, transparent and credible investigation and full accountability for any excessive use of force.

        We reiterate our grave concern about the increasing violent incidents, and call on all sides to take steps to restore calm and prevent harm to innocents.

        link to state.gov

        we should wait for the results of the investigations before we dole out praise.

        back to my original point are they nationalists or terrorists?

      • crone says:

        It is reported down thread that the F.B.I. got involved in the matter, and it is the FBI, not Israeli police, who made the arrests. So much for saying something good about the ‘police’ work.

        • @Amigo, Sycamores and crone:

          You have no ability to say something good about Israel or any Israeli organization like the police. The Israeli PM ordered to put all efforts to find the murderers of Abu Khdeir. According to Richard Silverstein, who has good sources in Israel, the police arrested the murderers in the same day they found the body of Abu Khdeir and he also reported about it in the same day. I think that this time we just can say “Kudos to the Israeli police”.

          • just says:

            Duh.

            They had a video of the kidnappers/murderers and the license plate ID.

          • eljay says:

            >> MY1: I think that this time we just can say “Kudos to the Israeli police”.

            Speaking of kudos, where are your replies to my two questions (included below, for your convenience)? I would really hate to think that you’re not a man of your word.
            __________________________________
            1. How many Palestinians would your government and Occupation Forces have to murder and how much Palestinian property would your government and Occupation Forces have to destroy before you would not be proud of them for using acts of injustice and immorality to resolve a crime?

            2. When Israelis commit similar crimes against Palestinians, are Palestinians entitled to murder an equal number of Israelis and destroy an equal amount of Israeli property to resolve the crime? If not, why not?

          • Sycamores says:

            Hi Mahane,

            let me reiterate, we should wait for the results of the investigations before we dole out praise.

            then to emphasis my point Ynet came out with this piece eariler

            There cannot be one law for Israeli terrorists and another for Arab

            For the long term, one must understand that the Shin Bet and police are helpless in fighting the extreme nationalist groups responsible for “price tag” attacks, incitement and even prior murders. This problem stems from the fact that the law that is applicable to Arab terrorists is not applied equally to Jewish terrorists.

            There was one case in which the Shin Bet was able to demonstrate clearly that an Israeli had murdered an Arab, but the man was not convicted because the evidence was weak. Why was the evidence weak? Because the Shin Bet is not allowed to investigate Jews as it does Arab terrorists – and because all Jewish terrorists have to do is remain silent during an interrogation, and then they can go free or at best get house arrest.

            This is a travesty. This is not how to fight terrorism. The Knesset and the government must quickly initiate stricter legislation that will allow the Shin Bet, police and the courts to operate effectively at every level to stamp out Jewish terrorism.

            There has to be administrative detention for Jews just as there is for Arabs who are detained for long stretches when suspected of terrorism or subversive activity. There should finally be an end in Israel to one law for Jews and another for Arabs, especially for criminal offences.

            link to ynetnews.com

            if justice is done kudos will be accredited to Israeli justice system and its police force.

          • talknic says:

            MahaneYehude1 “the police arrested the murderers in the same day they found the body of Abu Khdeir and he also reported about it in the same day. I think that this time we just can say “Kudos to the Israeli police””

            Whatever weasel words you need to use spud old pal!

            There is a video they couldn’t deny, they HAD TO make arrests instead of their usual bullsh*t tactics.

          • Mooser says:

            “You have no ability to say something good about Israel or any Israeli organization like the police.”

            Listen Mahane, if you don’t tell the Israeli storm…I mean police we’re talkin’ bad about ‘em, they’ll never know. So don’t tell them. I hate to see grown men cry, and Israelis are sooooo sensitive to criticism.

          • Spud, why didn’t the Israeli PM pull out all the stops, and use the cctv footage to immediately arrest the IDF murderers who killed the two boys at the Nakba rally? Or were the ‘brilliant’ police not so keen to solve this easy case? Because there was no international outrage or pressure on them. That routine killing arguably started this current sequence of revenge, and this demonstrates what happens in the absence of justice, when the zero value of Palestinian lives for Israelis is brutally confirmed, and the brilliant police prefer to arrest the owner of the cctv footage and destroy his equipment.

          • amigo says:

            “You have no ability to say something good about Israel or any Israeli organization like the police.” mehane

            Show me one reason and no , this is not one.

            As I explained to you above,Israel was trying to avoid a bad situation getting worse, which it would if Israel followed it,s normal routine of trying to protect it,s terrorists squatters or Israeli Jews who have committed crimes against Palestinians.

            Are you completely dense.

            There exists no reason to say anything good about Israel.Do you have anything good to say about the Nazi Regime.

            eg , they created rockets or built Autobahns.
            Doesn,t get them off the hook though , does it.

            You are so desperate for affirmation for your rogue apartheid nation.

            Sad . really sad.

        • es1982 says:

          Crone: LuLu probably meant that the FBI is investigating the attack on Tarek Abu Khdeir. She says Good Morning America reported it, but I couldn’t find this information anywhere. Even if they are involved in the police brutality inquiry, they aren’t involved in the investigation of the murder of Muhammed Abu Khdeir. Muhammed isn’t American, so they wouldn’t have jurisdiction. The arrest of the six Jewish terrorists is completely the work of Israeli police and perhaps the Shin Bet.

          • talknic says:

            es1982 “The arrest of the six Jewish terrorists is completely the work of Israeli police and perhaps the Shin Bet”

            Uh huh. That was after being embarrassed into action by the appearance of one very incriminating video, which was NOT the work of Israeli police or Shin Bet. Without the video, there’d likely have been no attempt made other than to try to intimidate the family of the victim.

            Say … it’d be quite ironic if Israel invent video as well as mobile phones, cherry tomatos and idiotic Hasbara.

      • Penfold says:

        Well I don’t think I said they would lose evidence but I did doubt they would do a real investigation however I assume you are equating “real police work” with an arrest where as I equate it to a conviction so we are a long way short of patting the Israeli police on the back for doing a job they should do as part of their job.

        Once these 6 are convicted, houses destroyed and families tossed out on the street I promise to regard them as a less biased bunch of thugs.

    • amigo says:

      “reading the comment sections from different websites over the last few days i was disgusted by what many pro-Israeli commentors were saying about Muhammad Abu Khdeir, his family, Palestinians and Arabs in general but as the news is spreading that Jewish terrorists are suspected to be involved, a reasonable number of the said pro-Israeli commentors are seemingly genuinely appalled and ashame. i hope this is a wake up call.”Sycamores

      Certainly no wake up call at the Post.Read some of the comments and while you are there, note that the Palestinian suspect the idf arrested is referred to as a terrorist but the slime , (one of the six has admitted to the crime) who did this are merely “Nationalists”.

      Grrrrr.

      • Sycamores says:

        yes there is no end to the vile comments on other sites but it’s true i seen some commentors who were so sure of themselves the day before that it was a hoax or a honor killing, who today seem genuinely shock and ashame by the arrest of the Jewish suspects.
        grant you some are more worry about Israel image international but others see the 4 teen: the 3 Israelis and the 1 Palestinian, as just that 4 teens who have tragically lost their lives and demand justice for all of them.
        yet i see it differently the two Palestinians teens that were shot by Israeli border police back in May started all this and should be included making that 6 teens murdered.

        • Citizen says:

          @ Sycamores
          “… the two Palestinians teens that were shot by Israeli border police back in May started all this and should be included making that 6 teens murdered.”

          I count the same. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the US main media to count the same.’

          • Sycamores says:

            will we heard any of these names on MSM?

            RAMALLAH (Ma‘an) 25 June — Mustafa Husni Aslan, 22, was pronounced dead from wounds he sustained during clashes with Israeli soldiers in Qalandiya refugee camp on Friday [20 June], medical sources said. Aslan was shot in the head

            NABLUS (WAFA) 25 June – A sick Palestinian elderly [woman] who was on her way to hospital for sharp chest pains died Wednesday after being delayed by Israeli forces at a checkpoint erected by the Israeli troops at the eastern entrance of Beit Dajan, a village to the east of Nablus. Amneh Haj-Muhammad, 62.

            HEBRON (Ma‘an) 26 June — An elderly Palestinian woman died early Thursday after suffering a heart attack during a raid by Israeli soldiers in al-‘Arrub refugee camp north of Hebron. Fatima Ismail Issa Rushdi, 78, was evacuated to al-Ahli Hospital in Hebron after she suffered a heart attack. “Fatima arrived at the emergency department suffering from a sudden heart and lung failure. Doctors tried to resuscitate her twice but there was no response and she was pronounced dead

            GAZA CITY (Ma‘an) 27 June – Two Palestinians were killed and two others wounded on Friday afternoon after Israel’s air force bombed a car traveling near al-Shati refugee camp in Gaza City. A Ma‘an reporter said that an Israeli plane targeted a black Kia vehicle with two missiles, killing Muhammad al-Fasih and Usama al-Hassumi.

            link to mondoweiss.net

  8. chinese box says:

    “sentenced to home arrest without charge”…destroying the homes of suspects etc etc etc ad nauseum

    Someone explain what makes this country a democracy, again?

  9. RobertB says:

    The Missing Headlines from Israel-Palestine

    Studies show that US news is extremely Israeli-centric. The main bureaus for CNN, AP, Time, etc. are located in Israel and are often staffed by Israelis. The son of the NY Times bureau chief is in the Israeli army; “pundit” Jeffrey Goldberg served in the Israeli military; Wolf Blitzer worked for the Israel lobby, and numerous other journalists in the region have personal family ties to the Israeli military.

    We believe that Americans should receive all the news about the region, not just that deemed reportable by those with Israeli connections.

    Click on link for the rest of the headlines news:

    link to ifamericansknew.org

  10. Woody Tanaka says:

    What the kind of state sentences people without charging them, when they are the victim?? God, what a satanic system the Zios have there. Absoluely disgusting.

  11. The whirlwind sown by Peres, Sharon, Olmert and Netanyahu and the seeds so assiduously sown by their policy of state-sponsored terrorism in the Occupied Territories and the illegal settlements that violate international law, is now being reaped by a new generation of Israelis and Palestinians.

    Of the four politicians, one is already dead, one is a convicted criminal in prison, one is reliably reported to have offered atomic weapons to the South African apartheid regime to be used against the late, lamented Nelson Mandela, and the last one currently instructs the Israel lobby in Washington how to ‘handle’ President Obama – the democratically elected head of 308 million Americans.

    The world now sees the result of this anti-democratic process that has affected the entire Middle East and much of Europe and America. And it still continues today until such time as the European Union makes a stand and abrogates the EU agreement that facilitates the bilateral trade that enables the Israeli government hold the world to ransom.

  12. Elisabeth says:

    I wondered about something he said on the video just now. De boy that is beaten seems to have a head covering on (shawl/ keffiyeh /T- shirt) such as most of the young men taking part in demonstrations wear. That is why I guessed Tarek had taken part as well, but now I see that he says he was just standing around and his family says he was in the yard, not taking part in the demonstrations. I guess he could have put a T-shirt on in the yard but I doubt it. Are they afraid to admit him taking part, for fear of him getting months in jail? I can definitely understand that.
    Or is there a mistake, and is the video not of him, but of another kid beaten up during the same demonstrations?

    Because frankly: When I saw that video, I hardly expected the victim to survive. Just look at it! Anyone receiving that to the head must be in a coma or braindead or worse. And the bruises Tarek has are terrible, but they do not seem consistent with the punches and kicks to he head in the video.

    • a blah chick says:

      If you are Arab and anywhere near a demonstration you do well to hide your face. Participation is not required to get a beating or an arrest.

    • Elliot says:

      Elizabeth, we only got to see Tarek three days after he was attacked. He looks pretty bad to me. Can’t imagine what he looked like in hospital right after the attack.

  13. seafoid says:

    link to haaretz.com

    Dermer compared Israel’s handling of the Jewish murder of Palestinians to the Palestinians’ handling of the reverse. “They will not be hailed as heroes,” said Dermer. “There will not be public squares named after them.”

    Israel channel 2 reporting from Meir Kahane Park in Hevron

  14. just says:

    From your link, seafoid:

    Netanyahu:
    “”This is what differentiates us with our neighbors,” he said. “There the murderers are welcomed as heroes and squares are named for them. This is not the only difference between us. We put on trial those who incite, while incitement in the Palestinian Authority is carried out in official instruments and the educational system, incitement that calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.””

    Completely insane! It is the perfect description of Israel followed by an enormous lie of epic proportions. All from Prime Murderous Inciter himself.

    • seafoid says:

      I don’t know how American Jews who understand Hebrew can take Israeli public discourse at face value. There is so much BS required to keep the system going.

  15. seafoid says:

    link to haaretz.com

    “In the three-and-a half days that passed between the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir and the Shin Bet’s official acknowledgement that the six suspects arrested were likely “Jewish extremists,” the conversations, chance encounters and social media discourse within the Israeli public reflected denial.
    The conversations evolved from “I can’t believe Jews did it, it must be some kind of honor killing in the family,” to “please tell me it wasn’t Jews that did it” and finally “those murderers were not acting like Jews, we are not like that.”

    link to youtube.com
    “And we’ll kill the terror who rises
    And a million of their races
    But when our people torture you
    That’s a few random cases”

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “those murderers were not acting like Jews, we are not like that.”

      That line is as racist as it gets; this is like “white people are the pinnacle of evolution” level racism.
      Jews are no more or no less capable and willing of committing heinous brutality and acting in the most inhumane fashion, as any other people on the planet and pretending otherwise is disgusting.

  16. just says:

    Have those that have been “arrested” for suspicion of beating and torching Mohammed to death received their tea and cookies (all sweetened with milk and honey and gratitude of a state) yet? Has their government minted their medals yet? Are they in protective custody? Have their concerned government officials visited them?

    Are the IOF twitter and facebook accounts all a- flutter?

    btw– does anyone know where the picture of Tarek was taken? The young man beside him also shows some “wear and tear”.

  17. ivri says:

    This is a moment of truth for a blog like mondoweiss and especially for a hundred percent biased reporter as Allison Deger. Now, when Israel really hit a real low point, as (tragically and hugely regrettably) revenge acts against individual Arabs took place, who would pay attention to those who always “cry wolf” (even in those cases when the wolf is being hunted….)?

    • Kris says:

      @ivri, you seem to be in the know, so can you tell us if the homes of the relatives of the Jewish suspects have been demolished yet?

  18. Citizen says:

    6 Jewish youths arrested by Israel as suspects in murder of Mohammed: link to npr.org

  19. Citizen says:

    According to JTA, Seven Israeli soldiers were sentenced to prison for posting photos calling for retaliation for the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

    Read more: link to jta.org

  20. Citizen says:

    Western Press won’t call the 7 arrested Jews “terrorists.” link to 972mag.com

  21. LuLu says:

    Good Morning America this morning reported that the FBI is involved in the investigation now. They also arrested 6settlers who were involved in his cousins murder. I doubt they will get time, we all know how the investigation will go.

  22. Kay24 says:

    Nutty Beebs has lost any credibility in the world right now. The entire world saw and read his words, inciting the rabble, calling for the blood of Palestinians, even insulting them all with disgusting names, and now look what his terrorist troop and illegal settlers did, worse than human animals. It was Bibi who encourage all Israelis to draw blood from Palestinians, and the irony is, the kidnapping of the young kid, who was brutally murdered (by human animals of the worst kind), and the senseless beating of his cousin (who much to their annoyance) happened to be American, were BOTH captured on video, which made it impossible for them to deny any part of it, although they did lie and accusing it of being doctored at one time.
    I urge all humanitarian agencies to give the poor Palestinian people, MORE videos and CCTV cameras, although we know the IDF has destroyed many, that might capture their endless crimes. This is one of the best forms of defense, these poor Palestinian people can have at the moment. We can see it helped them prove the
    crimes of Israeli criminals.
    Bibi’s butchers of Israel, caught committing the crimes he accuses the other side of.
    So Bibi really has exposed his true self, and the world thinks it is an ugly sight.

    • Egbert says:

      Don’t insult animals by comparing these Israelis to them. Animals do not celebrate murder, take gruesome revenge, hold grudges for thousands of years. These Israelis are racist thugs.

  23. LuLu says:

    Hoodlum Thugs.. What does this teenager, his cousin who was brutally tortured and killed, the 9 year old that was snatched and almost killed with lacerations on his neck, thankfully was able to get reduced, or he would be found dead somewhere, have to do with the three Israelis who were murdered? These boys had nothing to do with it. Find and prove who killed those three boys, and they should be killed, ONCE PROVED with clear evidence on who they are, this way they can never hurt or kill anyone again. I am all for that, that is Justice and ones given right from God. One being a Jew, Arab, Zionist, whatever you may be, no one has a right to take another’s life, oppress them, torture them. Killing someone is only in self defense or to releave yourself from oppression when you have no choice.. But you go after the oppressor, not someone of the same race. But to take out on innocent people who had nothing to do with the senseless crime against those three Israeli settlers. The entire sociopathic war crimes on the Gaza Strip and West Bank after they went missing, and found shows how the Zionist regime runs, people behave when there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY. If the US Govt. who actually favors the Zionist regime, supports it no matter what lip service they give us to keep their image in front of the entire world, who know the real truth on the US turning a blind eye, would cut Israel off financially and put sanctions on them, and take actions for the human rights violations instead of Vetoing every UN investigative findings, aka Goldstone Report, than and ONLY than, Israel will start changing it’s behavior or risk loosing EVERYTHING. In reality, My Govt, is as 100% responsible on the war crimes along with Israel against the Palestinians and the Africans who are in a ghetto cage. It is a saddened shame what my countries Govt. have become. They lost respect from all around the world for a few dictators in the Zionist regime.

  24. Daniel Rich says:

    ”I’ve instructed my men to warm up and start practicing wurst-strangling arm-wrestling Palestinian-bashing ‘wrist-slapping.’” – Chief Deputy Commander, Donny ‘The Shield’ Weinstein, answering question as to how the Israeli perps will be punished.

  25. SQ Debris says:

    Americans who understand the score should be contacting the U.S. Department of Justice and the White house demanding that those Israelis who tried to beat Tariq to death be extradited to the United States for trial. We are in a position to put teeth into those despicable bastards. If not that, we can at least embarrass DoJ and Obama for their double standards.

  26. Basilio says:

    Tarek’s “crime” was WWBA or walking while being an Arab. It’s kind of like driving while being black. He may have been somewhat near a protest, which is not hard to do, and the Israeli soldiers were out-of-control and view all Arab youths as guilty if they are near a protest, and their pro-Israeli supporters, understandably, want to explain away what happened and want to insist he was protesting when his parents say he was not. Even if he were protesting, he was handcuffed and in custody. Do you beat a juvenile almost to death when you have them handcuffed? That’s clearly a violation of international law and human rights, but plenty of folks who support Israel wrong-or-right don’t want to view the Palestinians as humans and examine their humanity while claiming to be more civilized. It beggars the imagination, I tell you.

    • Walid says:

      Daniel, that ABC documentary was heartbreaking, especially the parts with settler guru Daniela Weiss coldly saying that “God promised this land to the Jews” to invalidate any claim by Palestinians.

      Hebron, a city of about 200,000 Palestinians under siege to accommodate 800 religious settlers that are given free rein to do as they please with the Palestinian population. The documentary says that what is happening in Hebron is also happening all over the West Bank.

      • Daniel Rich says:

        @ Walid,

        I remember a couple of years ago [5 to be precise] when I saw pictures of the aftermath of ‘Operation Cast Lead’ [you know, the ones you'll never see in MSM] and I couldn’t believe my eyes [to say the least], but I can’t find that site.

        I think we don’t even see the tip of the iceberg… its a mere few drops. How can we make this stop?

    • Citizen says:

      @ Daniel Rich
      Very painful documentary to watch. I’d like the entire US Congress to be forced to sit and watch every minute of it. The kids are the weak link, the way to “map” an entire people. The woman, one of the originators of the settlement plan with Sharon to spread settlers with the goal to prevent the Palestinians from ever getting a state–POTUS should see and hear her. She’s one scary woman. “God gave this land to us Jews.”

  27. I feel bad this kid was beaten, but the Israelis didn’t react disproportionately given the circumstances: widespread riots and high emotions in a densely populated city.

    In the US too, the police often use force and injure protestors.

    The pertinent question is why a Palestinian child who doesn’t even live there is out rioting in the streets. As the Oompa Loompas say, “Who is to blame? The parents.”

    • a blah chick says:

      “The pertinent question is why a Palestinian child who doesn’t even live there is out rioting in the streets.”

      The police said he was “rioting,” the same police who spread rumors that his cousin was gay and killed by his family. Why would you trust anything they said?

    • Ron Edwards says:

      That may rate as the single most repellent post I’ve seen here.

      “Disproportionately” is not the issue. The issue is the mask of security and law enforcement over atrocity. The issue is discrimination which has clearly slid directly into flat-out oppression. There is no “disproportion” of these things – they are wrong. No sliding scale of proportions to discuss at all.

      What is the comment about the U.S. police – fully true – supposed to be: (i) a pass for the Israeli officers’ behavior “because Americans do it,” (ii) a dig at U.S. citizens’ criticisms because they “obviously accept it when it’s their own,” or (iii) a woeful acceptance that “well, all police do this, it’s how it is” …? The answer is obvious: this is a professional debate tactic, to say something with multiple contradictory, incorrect implications. It’s a fine example of filling the air with flak in order to distract.

      Your so-called pertinent question is enough to disqualify you from even the barest acceptance in the dialogues among thinking people.

      Maybe it’s a Poe. Maybe I’m unaware of a satirical poster who uses “Double Standard” as a username and states the most absurd and revolting hasbara provocation possible as a form of critique. Someone else please advise.

      • tree says:

        That may rate as the single most repellent post I’ve seen here.

        You obviously haven’t seen any of Double Standard’s other comments here. Its a toss-up as to which of the 37 comments are most repellent. He(she?) is relatively new here, but despite the name being an apt description of the attitude behind it, the comments appear to be the real thing even though they sound like sick satire at times.

        You can peruse the sewer here:

        link to mondoweiss.net

        Looking at the page, there are only 14 comments listed, but 37 comments made. I guess that means that 23 of them didn’t make it past moderation, so these 14 are the more benign utterances of DS.

        And one of the DS comments that did make it past moderation prompted this explanation from Phil Weiss:

        I’m approving this comment because I believe it reveals an important mindset that while highly offensive is emblematic of certain strains in the US discourse that ought to be exposed/discussed.

        link to mondoweiss.net

    • Djinn says:

      Actually you revolting excuse for a human being it is NEVER proportional for 2/3 ARMED men to beat a handcuffed, prone and likely unconscious teenager.

      Police can use PROPORTIONAL force to arrest someone they can not mete out punishment. At least not in a democracy. Of course only morons suggests Israel is anything of the sort.

      You are disgusting.

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ DoubleStandard,

      Q: The pertinent question is why a Palestinian child who doesn’t even live there is out rioting in the streets. As the Oompa Loompas say, “Who is to blame? The parents.”

      R: Great. I see you’ve mastered page 1 of the Hasbara Troll book, now onward to page 2 [that's the one on the other side of the page].

    • talknic says:

      DoubleStandard
      “I feel bad this kid was beaten”

      Your rhetoric doesn’t reflect any sorrow. More likely you feel bad the Israeli gestapo was caught on video!

      ” but the Israelis didn’t react disproportionately given the circumstances”

      A child on the ground already subdued, where grown men were kicking him, not disproportionate!!! You’re quite insane.

      “In the US too, the police often use force and injure protestors”

      An equivalent instance please .. same age, defenseless, on the ground, being kicked

      “The pertinent question is why a Palestinian child”

      Even you admit he’s a child!

      ” who doesn’t even live there is out rioting in the streets”

      Israeli police say he was rioting. The Israeli police were caught on video kicking an already restrained CHILD! If you think such people should be believed, you’re mad!.

      “As the Oompa Loompas say …”

      The Oompa Loompas ? Thanks for showing folk just how insane and vile Israel’s apologists can be. You’re doing a great job! Keep up th’ good work!

    • DoubleStandard

      I hope your kid or any relative dont have to endure the same violence, if, I will come here and say the perpetrator didnt act “dispropotionately” just like yourself.

  28. Daniel Rich says:

    I’m waiting for the excuse that “He looked like a real Palestinian [the ones you can treat like Untermenschen].”

  29. just says:

    “JERUSALEM (AFP) — Three of six Israelis held over the abduction and killing of a Palestinian teenager last week have confessed to the murder, a source close to the investigation said on Monday.

    “Three out of six suspects in custody have confessed to the murder and burning of Muhammed Abu Khdeir, and performed a re-enactment of the crime” in front of officers, the source told AFP, requesting anonymity.

    Authorities have placed a gag order on most aspects of the investigation into Abu Khdeir’s murder.

    But Honenu, a legal organization which defends right-wing Jewish extremists, said it was representing six people — three of them minors — whose remand was extended by the Petah Tikva magistrates court, just outside Tel Aviv, on Sunday.”

    link to maannews.net

    • seafoid says:

      link to haaretz.com

      “Most of the details about the suspects are still subject to a gag order. What is known — that six young men from Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh were arrested, some of them minors — suggests that did not come from the usual populations of interest to the Shin Bet’s Jewish division – the “hilltop youth” and their associates at the fringe of the settler camp. The suspects seem to be closer to the fringes of ultra-Orthodox society , the types who can be spotted here and there at demonstrations of the extreme right. ”

      The soldiers who got 10 days in prison for Facebook incitement are also Ultra Orthodox (Haredi).

      link to haaretz.com

      “Four soldiers have been sentenced to 10 days in military prison after posting pictures of themselves on Facebook demanding revenge for the murder of the three kidnapped teenagers in the West Bank.
      “This is a grave incident that is inconsistent with what is expected of soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces,” the IDF Spokesman’s Office said in a statement. “Any such incident that commanders learn of will be treated with the utmost severity.”
      The soldiers are Nahal Haredi troops — ultra-Orthodox Jews who combine military service with the establishment of agricultural communities. At least a few dozen soldiers took part in the Facebook protest. ”

      Very bad news for Israel- the settlers are one thing but the Haredi extremists are driven by the Torah, Amalek and similar thinking . And the land for them is exclusively Jewish.

      link to utzedek.org

      And that’s a Pandora’s box they won’t be able to close.
      There are many Orthodox officers in the Israeli Army- one of the reasons I think Israel is not stable over the medium to long term.
      .

      • just says:

        frightening.

        I was checking out Honenu– they seem cut from the same cloth.

        • seafoid says:

          link to 972mag.com

          Is it allowed in our days [sic] for an IDF soldier, for example, to rape girls during a fight, or is such a thing forbidden?

          Rabbi Qarim answered thus:

          “The wars of Israel […] are mitzvah wars, in which they differ from the rest of the wars the nations wage among themselves. Since, essentially, a war is not an individual matter, but rather nations wage war as a whole, there are cases in which the personality of the individual is “erased” for the benefit of the whole. And vice versa: sometimes you risk a large unit for the saving of an individual, when it is essential for purposes of morale. One of the important and critical values during war is maintaining the army’s fighting ability […]

          As in war the prohibition against risking your life is broken for the benefit of others, so are the prohibitions against immorality and of kashrut. Wine touched by gentiles, consumption of which is prohibited in peacetime, is allowed at war, to maintain the good spirit of the warriors. Consumption of prohibited foods is permitted at war (and some say, even when kosher food is available), to maintain the fitness of the warriors, even though they are prohibited during peacetime. Just so, war removes some of the prohibitions on sexual relations (gilui arayot in the original – YZG), and even though fraternizing with a gentile woman is a very serious matter, it was permitted during wartime (under the specific terms) out of understanding for the hardship endured by the warriors. And since the success of the whole at war is our goal, the Torah permitted the individual to satisfy the evil urge (yetzer ha’ra in the original -YZG), under the conditions mentioned, for the purpose of the success of the whole.”

          • Citizen says:

            @ seafoid
            Rabbi Qarim’s thinking mirrors Stalin’s when his troops entered Germany. Those troops raped many millions of German females, from children to grandmothers.

  30. wes says:

    Allison perhaps you should move to gaza and report on the situation there.not much coverage on the bbc or reuters.

    perhaps people should prepare to leave gaza before friday
    move to open fields
    both arab and jew,side by side
    3 days of mourning and fasting in memory of the slain children