Israeli president’s diagnosis — ‘Israel is a sick society’ — doesn’t go viral in the U.S.

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Did you hear that the president of Israel said Israel is a “sick society”? Reuven Rivlin, a Likudnik, said this over the weekend. There’s been lots of coverage in Israel, but as Sullivan points out, the declaration hasn’t gotten much attention stateside. I should think it would be viral.

The Jewish Telegraphic Agency’s report:

“It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,” Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday at a conference titled “From Xenophobia to Accepting the Other.”

“The tension between Jews and Arabs within the State of Israel has risen to record heights, and the relationship between all parties has reached a new low,” he said. “We have all witnessed the shocking sequence of incidents and violence taking place by both sides. The epidemic of violence is not limited to one sector or another, it permeates every area and doesn’t skip any arena. There is violence in soccer stadiums as well as in the academia. There is violence in the social media and in everyday discourse, in hospitals and in schools.”

From the Jerusalem Post:

The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment, President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

JTA says that Rivlin spoke of abuse he’s received on his Facebook page. Presumably from the right, not the left. This is a country where a settler extremist assassinated a prime minister who was saying he wanted to compromise with Palestinians, 19 years ago.

Rivlin is obviously referencing the teen murders of the last summer and the chants of “Death to Arabs” that resound in the streets of Jerusalem. This is the hardline rightwing society that Max Blumenthal described in his book Goliath, that Shlomo Sand has sought to resign from by stopping being a Jew, and that Nathan Thrall cites in his takedown of Ari Shavit’s usefulness to American Jews as a liberal voice when he’s anything but. And the president of the country is saying this? A Likudnik politician? As Sulllivan says, any American who said this would be instantly marginalized and smeared as an anti-Semite. Witness Blumenthal’s blacklisting by the Times, and the fact that Sand and Thrall appear in English publications. While liberal American Jews hold on to their dreamcastle Israel, with the help of Shavit and his media posse; and the New York Times gives a platform to wingnut Caroline Glick to malign Palestinian leaders. This is a very dangerous situation. Though I imagine if there’s enough controversy over the comments, The New York Times will cover them. Chris Matthews has surely seen Rivlin’s comment but won’t touch it until safe media here have picked it up.

By the way, in a radio discussion on Open Source a month ago, I said that Zionism began in 1894 with Theodor Herzl hearing the chant, Death to the Jews, in Paris, and that it has now culminated 120 years later with nationalist Jews chanting Death to the Arabs in Jerusalem. That is the alpha and omega of political Zionism, which has failed Herzl’s own test, that the stranger will be welcome in Jewish society. Bernard Avishai responded that I was offering a “caricature” of the movement. I don’t think it’s a caricature; it’s a realistic interpretation of the failure of an ideology to create a better society. Rivlin must share something of my view, despairingly. Does he have the makings of a De Klerk, the ability to state to his fellow citizens that the project has failed and must be reimagined?

112 Responses

  1. Philip Munger
    October 22, 2014, 11:17 am

    It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,” Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday

    It is way too far advanced for any treatment Israeli society is capable of administering to the patient.

    • seafoid
      October 22, 2014, 12:04 pm

      A bit like that handwringing Ha’aretz editorial after the murder of Mohamed Abu Khdeir.
      What’s Rivlin going to do about it ? He’d have to reform the education system that feeds children to the IDF to mow the lawn in Gaza. He’d have to break vested interests. He won’t. None of them have the balls.

      Bromides are pointless at this stage.

    • Giles
      October 22, 2014, 12:13 pm

      “We have all witnessed the shocking sequence of incidents and violence taking place by both sides -”

      Even this guy, who is clearly more self aware than the vast majority of Israel and her supporters, is selling the both sides are culpable hasbara.

      • scribejohn
        December 21, 2014, 6:36 am

        Why would that be hasbara? Pre the intifadas, Israel and the West Bank was quite an open society, no wall or divides and few security checks. Even Arafat himself in reflection admitted that the intifadas were a mistake, took a step back for Palestinian society by creating these divides. Most Palestinian friends I have strongly agree with that take also.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 22, 2014, 12:19 pm

      it’s not too advanced for any treatment, but the idea this can be treated with ‘dialogue’ at this juncture is delusional.

      the racism is built into the structure of society thru the laws and the (in) justice system. what is the state going to offer besides facilitating dialogue? it’s like treating the symptoms of a fatal disease while fueling the growth of the disease. take the recent high court ruling regarding those neighborhood admission committees. it’s going backwards not forwards.

      Does he have the makings of a De Klerk

      i dunno.

      • gregnew
        October 26, 2014, 3:34 pm

        “the idea that this [sick society] can be treated by ‘dialogue’ is delusional.” Yes, if events moved as planned. Israel would continue complacently spend its energies creating facts on the ground while stalling on the principle that negotiations are not possible until Palestinians accept her divine right to colonize whatever Palestinian or nearby Arab territory comes into her grasp.
        Dialogue under such circumstances would simply license further facts on the ground that guaranteed that the situation of the Palestinians deteriorated steadily as they sat watching Israeli stonewalling. There is not much point in sitting at a dialogue table listening while being assured that Israelis have divine rights to Palestine while Palestinians have none.
        But will events move as planned? Perhaps Israel is pursuing a losing instead of a winning strategy. It would be ironic if the military, political and diplomatic incompetence of the Arabs led then unconsciously to the one strategy that will work for them: play Israel enough rope and she will hang herself. There are signs that this strategy is working.
        The first sign that it is working will be the revival of poisonous anti-Semitism in the Western World. That is the very thing that Israel was created to escape, and it is reviving in the very places where it had best been brought under control. The tragic aspect of the matter is that the West provides the only places to which some six million Israelis could move if their position in Palestine crumbled.
        Of course most Israelis now believe it is impossible for Eretz Yisrael to fail. Yet the harder they believe she can’t fail, the more likely it becomes that she might fail. Nothing will bring ultimate failure more assuredly than continued rampages that kill ten Arabs for every Israeli killed, that destroy a hundred houses for every Israeli house destroyed, and that generate thousands of homeless refugees.
        Conversely, the sooner Israelis and her foreign supporters engage in dialogue among themselves on how to avoid failure, the more likely it is that Israelis will be able to salvage some position in the Holy Land. But to establish a dialogue with Palestinians and more than a handful of other Arab people requires Israel to put a viable Palestinian state on the bargaining table. To date she is unable to imagine conceding more than about a score of scattered, economically strangled, and politically repressed patches. Her position is totally unreal.

  2. just
    October 22, 2014, 11:34 am

    Holy smokes!

    Did the earth just suddenly shift?

    • Annie Robbins
      October 22, 2014, 12:22 pm

      ha! just you crack me up.

      • Walid
        October 24, 2014, 3:09 pm

        Annie, off-topic but of interest to you, this year’s “Arab Idol” has 2 Palestinians heading for the finals. Both great singers and the subject of a current controversy in Israel. The young man and young lady are Palestinians but holders of Israeli passports and the Israeli minister of something or other is saying that on their return to Israel, they face 4 years in jail for having travelled to an enemy country (Lebanon). The jerk went on to say that he’s still be very pleased to see an Israeli citizen win the “Arab Idol” prize. Last week, Mohammed Assaf was the guest artist on the show.

        Here’s the male Palestinian, Haitham Khalaili:

      • Walid
        October 24, 2014, 3:24 pm

        And Manal Moussa from Palestine:

  3. lysias
    October 22, 2014, 11:59 am

    I learned about Rivlin’s comment from Firedoglake. So at least one reasonably prominent Web news site has reported it.

  4. seafoid
    October 22, 2014, 12:07 pm

    Rivlin reminds me of that other dying breed – the moderate Republican. Where Israel has neo Likud fascists like Danon, the GOP has Tea Party extremists. It’s pointless being a moderate when the debate has shifted so far to the right. And the extremists don’t care about long term issues. They think they have everything figured out.

  5. pabelmont
    October 22, 2014, 12:35 pm

    He doesn’t (here) seem to care about peace, justice, blah-blah [I/P] , but only about inter-Israeli social issues. Oh well, gotta start somewhere.

  6. David Doppler
    October 22, 2014, 1:03 pm

    If the President of Israel says the country is sick, does that make Israel a self-hating nation of the Jewish people?

    Which is a joking way to circle back to Phil’s great insight from his study of Lincoln and the abolitionists, that those who, originally a fringe minority, by repeatedly provoking the slavers, earned their “valuable hatred,” the value coming from ordinary people becoming aware through public eruptions of that hatred of its unhealthiness, and eventually forming a school of opinion that carried the nation through the extremely bloody and costly Civil War. Grant, who clearly voiced that school of opinion in his memoirs, also voiced the view that no one had more to gain from the South’s loss in the Civil War than the South itself, by ridding itself of its sickness.

    I hope Israel can rid itself of its cancer with less bloodshed, and with fewer lingering injustices. There can be a future for Israel/Palestine, but it requires isolating, publicly chastising and disempowering the hate-mongers, starting with the Prime Minister, and points to his right.

    The US needs to stop being its rubber-stamp enabler. President Rivlin’s comment ought to grant President Obama permission to publicly criticize and even chastise Israel.

    • Horizontal
      October 23, 2014, 12:00 am

      The US needs to stop being its rubber-stamp enabler. President Rivlin’s comment ought to grant President Obama permission to publicly criticize and even chastise Israel.

      You’d think. If it were me, I’d do it, but I don’t see Obama doing anything, and I voted for the guy. Hell, the latest Gaza carnage was — what was the phrase? Permission? Yeah, that ugly carnage should have given any sane, moral person all the permission in the world to call out these criminals.

      Cue the crickets. Obama’s saying zip.

      Midterms, you know.

  7. weiss
    October 22, 2014, 1:20 pm

    Encouraging words . An important 1st step … Yet he still thinks Jerasulem belongs to the Jews only…

    Maybe he needs a little “treatment” as well

  8. In2u
    October 22, 2014, 1:30 pm

    Mr president European countries are starting to recognize Palestine as a state.
    President: Lets pretend we are all sick.

  9. amigo
    October 22, 2014, 1:35 pm

    Does anyone know if he mentioned the illegal expansion or is his goal to have dialogue continue , ad infinitum as the Settlements continue to expand.Let,s all get along in a nice peaceful atmosphere and get on with the task of creating the so called greater Israel.

    Just a thought.

  10. MH
    October 22, 2014, 1:36 pm

    Consider:

    Just yesterday a friend called me, extremely upset about Ilan Pappe’s account of Neo-Zionism in his new book, The Idea of Israel. (We’re Americans, one Catholic and one Episcopalian.)

    She felt somehow that the hardening of the Zionist position as described by Mr. Pappe was the end of hope for peace among Palestinians and Arab and Jewish Israelis. I made two replies:

    First, that it’s a mistake to assume that any given state of political affairs will continue on its present trajectory, without interruption.

    Second, that nobody can predict when, where, or from whom will come the gesture that eventually results in negotiation between enemies and agreement on terms of peace. That was true in South Africa and Northern Island.

    It may not be known for years, but perhaps President Rivlin has made a gesture that emboldens somebody else to respond in kind.

  11. American
    October 22, 2014, 1:49 pm

    ” As Sulllivan says, any American who said this would be instantly marginalized and smeared as an anti-Semite.””

    The percentage of people in any population who can be ‘marginalized ‘ by zio-nazis is actually pretty low and mostly in media/journalism, politics, and (increasingly less so) in academia.
    So when the bulk of any population realizes the I-People cant really do anything ‘to them’ –except try to get them thru their own government—which only further pisses them off—the a-s power turns out to be not much.
    Its only real power then is keeping the media/polico propaganda going–which fewer and fewer people rely on for accuracy.
    For the average American being a whistle blower is punishment free,

    ”“It is important to refuse to be intimidated. That refusal must not be based simply on a calculation of the odds of succeeding. .
    The refusal to be intimidated must come, in the end, not from a sureness of succeeding but from a knowledge of the cost of scurrying for shelter through fake retractions and disowned truths. It is a question, in the end of self-respect”
    …Confessions of a Whistle-Blower:

  12. Mooser
    October 22, 2014, 2:25 pm

    “Second, that nobody can predict when, where, or from whom will come the gesture that eventually results in negotiation between enemies and agreement on terms of peace.”

    Sure, you never know when the Palestinians will soften, and make the “gesture” which will allow “negotiations between enemies”
    Gosh, MH, what, out of their store of treasure and land, do you think the Palestinians ought to offer to Israel to get the process started?

    • MH
      October 22, 2014, 4:03 pm

      Hi, Mooser. Why do you leave off your list the possibility that Israel will soften?

      In SA and NI both, there was a period of years where individuals who’d concluded that nobody could win any longer met clandestinely with one another as acknowledged enemies.

      After that, anything or nothing might have happened, including things getting worse, not better.

      • Mooser
        October 22, 2014, 5:37 pm

        MH, go talk to Dr. Pangloss.

      • Mooser
        October 22, 2014, 5:46 pm

        “Hi, Mooser. Why do you leave off your list the possibility that Israel will soften?”

        Oh, I don’t know. Probably because I read a blog called Mondoweiss, I guess. Ever hear of it?

      • pabelmont
        October 23, 2014, 9:11 am

        Softening Israel is the job of BDS. But of course, it may merely harden Israel (as J-Street, JVP, and others may perhaps be warning). BDS now is fairly ineffective, and Israeli Jews can say, well, they all hate us, what else is new? But if BDS became more effective or even very effective, AND always stated its requirements for ending (removal of settlers, removal of wall and settlements, end of siege of Gaza as an example of possible requirements), then the Israeli Jewish folks could say they hate us for what we are doing, not for who we are, and they didn’t ask us to commit suicide.

        If BDS also asked/demanded a PRoR, well, Israeli Jews might see THAT as a demand for suicide. Even though they could accept PRoR while avoiding demographic “suicide” aka non-Jewish-big-majority by the simple (if unpleasant for them) expedient of accepting a significantly smaller territory in which the full Jewish population could crowd together so as to form a 80% majority or whatever they deem necessary for non-suicide.

        Ghetto mentality deserves a small ghetto territory.

  13. Horizontal
    October 22, 2014, 2:33 pm

    I find this an interesting counterpoint to the Ice Floe story on this same site, where the question was all about the ability to dialogue and whether there was anyone left to dialogue with? I’m wondering if Rivlin’s discovering the same deficit.

    As far as its not catching fire here in the US, that’s not surprising, considering who’s manning the hoses.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 22, 2014, 3:01 pm

      what i find interesting is Rivlin’s call for dialogue when palestinians are finally fed up with these kind of empty kumbayas are are now anti normalization. if he thinks dialogue is the answer he needs to get the jewish israelis on one page, somewhat at least. as part of the government he could start by making structural changes like some mandatory school program that educated the youth on the actual history of the beginning of the state (nakba!). why dialogue with people in denial, a majority of which don’t even recognize palestinians as a people?

      this is meaningless at this stage of the game in an environment (like i mentioned about) of the courts empowering draconian anti democratic legislation by turned the clock backwards and passing it into law!!! and then lets all dialogue?

      • Horizontal
        October 22, 2014, 4:49 pm

        @Annie ~

        I totally agree; dialogue is a total waste of time so long as the settlements keep expanding and Israel’s intentions are clear, even though the US and Israel persist in pretending otherwise.

        So what’s the best way to understand Rivlin: Too little, too late? Or like Chomsky, a prisoner of his generation?

      • seafoid
        October 22, 2014, 5:15 pm

        Too little, too late?

        good analysis but the only thing that will reverse 40+ years of colonial expansion is the application of power and that can only comes from outside. Tomorrow morning Israelis will go to work and reactivate the machine as they have every day since june 1967.

        If Israelis are sentient enough to understand what is happening and want to do something they should listen to the words of Mario Savio

        link to youtube.com

        But it’s far more likely that nothing will be done and that Israel will proceed serenely to the cliff

      • pabelmont
        October 23, 2014, 9:15 am

        Annie, good points. Dialog is a fake, like “civility”, a thing to promote to keep people in line without actually doing anything, a way to calm down dissent. It is instead of progress.

  14. bryan
    October 22, 2014, 3:08 pm

    I have to say there is a lot of patronising going on here – Mondoweiss has spent the last few weeks / months / years focusing on what may ultimately be a very few positive moves coming from Anti-Zionist / Post-Zionist / Non-Zionist Jews and non-Jewish intellectuals regarding Justice for Palestine – which I sign up to entirely. However why undermine a possibly authentic voice of the Jewish establishment who offers similar sentiments. Much as one can condemn the extent to which criticism of Israel is absurdly portrayed as anti-Antisemitism, when a legitimate voice of the Israeli establishment, no matter how “symbolic” he may be, offers criticism of his state, which is generally in line with what a lot of posters here feel, why not celebrate the fact that Israel is a diverse society, with a small number of internationalists who can appreciate the stupid hole that the rest of their society are digging for themselves?

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2014, 6:42 pm

      “why not celebrate the fact that Israel is a diverse society, with a small number of internationalists who can appreciate the stupid hole that the rest of their society are digging for themselves?”

      Look, I don’t want to deny the Israelis their diverse society, but couldn’t they celebrate their diversity in a way that doesn’t, you know, kill people, and steal land?

  15. a blah chick
    October 22, 2014, 3:13 pm

    The reason why it isn’t going “viral” is because Zionism and its sympathizers control the corporate media agenda.

    Our elite big business media is very careful about what things they present for our news digestion. They do not want to present people or ideas that will cause deep thinking or anything that makes them and other elites look bad. So when Rula Jebreel called them out for their Gaza coverage being top heavy with Israeli government officials she was immediately banned from the airwaves; you call out the elite media at your peril. Another example was Bennett’s infamous “self-genocide” comment. Note that Blitzer stood there and said nothing in reaction and the rest of the media elites followed suit. This is the other thing they do: protect their fellows from anything that might be embarassing.

    The Agenda is insidious because it allows the elite media to divert attention from the things they are responsible for. A few years back Dateline did a promo for a report on why missing white women get more attention then their black or brown counterparts. Hot dang, I thought, finally a report on how race plays in the reporting of crime. But no, all we got was some watered down report that suggested white families might be more proactive in getting their pleas to the public. Really? All those white families know the number to the local TV station but not the black or brown ones? Give me a break.

    One more example, and it concerns Imus’s disrespectful comments about the Rutgers’ Women’s basketball teem. The elite media made sure to steer everyone into a discussion of African American culture (“look how disrespectful black men are to black women!”) and away from talking about the white guys in suits who put Imus on the air and kept him there. They know how to look after the men who pay their salaries.

    • Horizontal
      October 22, 2014, 5:00 pm

      Let’s not forget how Helen Thomas got the bum’s rush for simply suggesting that the foreign occupiers of Palestine go back where they came from. Instead of actually discussing what she said, everyone just focused on her saying the unsayable and brought out the knives. So long, 50+ year career.

      Meanwhile, Joan Rivers rants in the worst possible fashion, spouts some lame apology about “context,” then dies, and is lauded to the stars, all nastiness swept under the carpet.

      Double standard much?

      • Kay24
        October 23, 2014, 3:43 am

        Our media is part of that sick society. They totally ignore any negative aspect to the news where Israel is concerned, but make sure anyone like Helen Thomas who “dares” to criticize it, or even mentions the truth about the occupation, or endless crimes against humanity is made into a horrible example. They try to outdo each other when it comes to showing loyalty to Israel.

      • lysias
        October 23, 2014, 10:06 am

        NPR had on this morning an interview with the Israeli Minister of Defense. I had it on at too low a volume to hear what he had to say.

      • lysias
        October 23, 2014, 11:17 am

        Well, I learn from Moon of Alabama what Defense Minister Ya’alon had to say in that NPR interview: Israeli Defense Minister Predicts The End Of Artificial ME States. b of Moon of Alabama points out that Israel is one of those artificial ME states.

    • JWalters
      October 22, 2014, 7:39 pm

      Stephen Walt, co-author of “The Israel Lobby”, recently made the following comments at a conference on re-assessing the U.S. relationship with Israel.

      “Although discourse is more open now, it is still, I think, extremely risky for young, ambitious foreign policy wannabes to question key elements of U.S. Middle East policy, and especially the ‘special relationship’ [with Israel]. You can if you have tenure at a university, if you don’t have your heart set on working in the U.S. government, or if you’re retired. But it’s hard to find people inside the foreign policy establishment who are willing to say what they think on this issue out loud. Just look at how Chuck Hagel and Samantha Power had to contort themselves during their confirmation hearings and you see the lobby’s continued influence.”

      • Horizontal
        October 23, 2014, 11:18 am

        Didn’t see Hagel’s comments, but that’s just not right and needs to change, pronto. Carter can now come out and say what everyone knows but is easily dismissed like the crazy old uncle at the end of the table who’s lost it.

        Kinda OT, but what might work is a science fiction movie where our “special relationship” is presented for the destructive menace that it is. In that context, everyone would just naturally cheer when the Ziostar blows up. I’ve often felt that one reason the original Star Wars was so popular was its timing. Released in the shadow of our Vietnam nightmare, we got to finally root for the rag tag band of rebels fighting against the Imperial Troopers. Of course, just recently, we were the Troopers.

        Know any screenwriters?

  16. Krauss
    October 22, 2014, 3:22 pm

    Listening to your radio interview now, Phil. Beinart is a pathological liar. Tries to compare European democracies to Israel. There is not a single European country that has a “special responsibility to one ethnic group”.

    Israel has a Jews-only immigration policy. There is no European equivalent, not even countries like Finland or Poland.

    • Krauss
      October 22, 2014, 3:57 pm

      Listened through the radio show. Bernard Avishai is probably even more hilarious. A total Likudnik masquerading as a peacenik. God, I’m pleased that these bigots aren’t able to get away like they used to back in the day.

  17. Sycamores
    October 22, 2014, 3:32 pm

    where has ‘dialogue’ with Israelis got the Palestinians?
    i can understand why Palestinian would abandon “the secret of dialogue”. considering the secret is the more the Palestinians talk the more the Israelis create facts on the ground by stealing Palestinian lands.

    Rivlin doesn’t mention land theft as a major problem towards the abandonment of dialogue. so in my eyes he’s no De klerk but simply an appeaser to those liberals who reside on an ice floe, zionimos.

  18. W.Jones
    October 22, 2014, 3:54 pm

    This is a country where a settler extremist assassinated a prime minister who was saying he wanted to compromise with Palestinians, 19 years ago.
    Considering the massive upsurge in rightwing forces after Rabin’s death, one may suppose that his pro-peace positions are why he was terminated, sadly.

    However, who knows the real details on what exactly happened? We already know about the Pulsa D’Nura. Who knows how much farther that story goes.

  19. ivri
    October 22, 2014, 4:04 pm

    Let`s take a more positive angle here. Nobody would expect somebody like Assad to state that the Syrian society is sick simply because it`s obvious and also most likely beyond repair. You can hear such provocatively sounding statements in all Western countries and just ask a Frenchman about his view on the state of France and you get a depressing litany of complaints. The matter is that when you are almost OK there is a point to make efforts to try to overcome problems and also in free-speech countries, constantly bombarded with “strong” statements of all kinds, if you don`t use some “dramatic” phrase nobody pays attention.
    It really relates to a famous paradox: Who reads more books? Likely, the already learned. And I bet that ravishing beauties spend more time on appearance. That`s in short the case with Israel and its malaises and that is also why statements like these make no splashes.

    • seafoid
      October 22, 2014, 4:55 pm

      Unless Rivlin does something about it, it’s just posturing, Ivri. There is nothing positive about Israel being so sick. Israel needs to be taken into care and treated for as long as necessary. To do that will mean that the education system has to be reformed and funding cut off from YESHA. It’s not a case of take this aspirin and go rest for the afternoon.

      Rivlin would need to make a national address to tell Yossi Israeli that the last 50 years have been a complete waste of everyone’s time. He won’t. The iterations will continue until Zionism blows up. And then Yossi will have to pay dearly. It’s always the ordinary schmucks who pick up the pieces when elite dreams die.

    • talknic
      October 22, 2014, 5:37 pm

      @ ivri

      “Let`s take a more positive angle here”

      WOW!! this will be interesting! Adhere to International Law perhaps or write and adopt an a constitution as promised 66 years ago and finally elect a Govt legally, under that constitution, then finally, after 66 years of belligerence, withdraw from all non-Israeli territory, taking all Israeli citizens back to Israel, paying rightful reparations, stop educating Israelis with blatant lies and vast omissions of historical fact?

      “Nobody would expect somebody like Assad to state that the Syrian society is sick simply because it`s obvious and also most likely beyond repair. “

      OH?! Right, I forgot. A more positive angle especially where Israel is concerned, is to point elsewhere as though it will change Israel’s illegal lust for non-Israeli territory, its biased, racist, bigoted laws and the plethora of lies it tells itself in order to justify the systematic theft of non-Israeli territory in the quest for an ILLEGAL and unjustifiable Greater Israel in contravention of International Law and the UN Charter

      “You can hear such provocatively sounding statements in all Western countries and just ask a Frenchman about his view on the state of France and you get a depressing litany of complaints.”

      Uh huh. Care to point to en example from the French PRESIDENT …. thx I’ll wait

      “The matter is that when you are almost OK …”

      The Israeli PRESIDENT seems to be saying Israel is NOT almost or anywhere near almost OK

      “there is a point to make efforts to try to overcome problems”

      by ‘point’ing elsewhere …. you’re schtick is so cute

      “And I bet that ravishing beauties spend more time on appearance.”

      Uh huh. Israel spends an inordinate amount of time, effort and money lobbying for support and attempting to justifying its ILLEGAL acquisition of other folks territory. Is that on a par with a ravishing beauty?

      • Mooser
        October 22, 2014, 5:52 pm

        Really something, isn’t it “talknic”? He’s really a prize, that “ivri” (if that’s even his real name!)

      • Horizontal
        October 22, 2014, 6:37 pm

        Frenchman complaining: “I had too much vacation time and came down with ennui.”

    • oldgeezer
      October 22, 2014, 6:09 pm

      I think deflection must a standard course in Israeli schools.

    • Horizontal
      October 22, 2014, 6:31 pm

      Ivri ~

      You’ve got to be kidding . . .

      I don’t know where you live, but here in the USA our corporate media seldom if ever disseminate stories that reflect poorly on our “strong ally” Israel. You have to go on-line to read about some Knesset member spouting racist blather or witness the latest nastiness served up by a gang of racist settlers. About as close as we get is some cost-of-living puff-piece about the Milky migration to Germany. Heck, every summer half our representatives go on a junket to Israel for “education” and it doesn’t make the news; I bet if they went to, say, Iran or even France, there would be conflict-of-interest stories galore.

      If some Arab anywhere denies Israel’s supposed right to exist or says anything else “negative,” boom — that, we get, so everyone here can point to it and say, “See?” My god, once the last 1000lb bomb fell on Gaza, the Palestinians went back to being invisible as far as our MSM is concerned. Gaza is only newsworthy when they have the pleasure of being bombed every few years, and the West Bank only when they dare make statehood-like scratching noises at the UN. It’s a pretty dismal show, otherwise.

      Just to let you know, we were also largely kept in the dark during the run-up to the Iraq war, so
      it’s not just pro-Israel stories which get spoon-fed to us here in the states (although I understand how those two topics are related). Money calls the shots here, and pro-Zionists control a lot of the money; ignorance provides the rest. This accounts for the strangely-unified congress that we have on this issue along with the uniformly compliant & vapid press that provides this tin horn its one note.

      And that is why statements like these make no splashes.

  20. hophmi
    October 22, 2014, 6:32 pm

    The question is whether a Palestinian leader would ever be as reflective as Ruby Rivlin. Because Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization that preaches the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That’s pretty sick too. We can’t always be the only ones self-reflecting.

    • just
      October 22, 2014, 7:51 pm

      ” We can’t always be the only ones self-reflecting.”

      Are you even sane?

      • Horizontal
        October 22, 2014, 11:43 pm

        @just ~

        I was going to respond but I can’t top that.

    • eljay
      October 22, 2014, 9:02 pm

      >> hophmeee: The question is whether a Palestinian leader would ever be as reflective as Ruby Rivlin.

      If Israel were to stop jailing and/or killing all the moderates, we might actually get to find out.

      >> hophmeee: We can’t always be the only ones self-reflecting.

      “We”? I thought you were American, not Israeli. Or is this another one of those times when you choose anti-Semitically to conflate all Jews with Israel?

      • Annie Robbins
        October 22, 2014, 9:47 pm

        If Israel were to stop jailing and/or killing all the moderates, we might actually get to find out.

        let’s torture and jail 10’s of thousands of jews, create legislation to prevent the rest of them from the opportunity to ever live on the vast majority of the land..and then suggest we dialogue with them to have better relations!

    • Brewer
      October 22, 2014, 10:12 pm

      ” a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization”

      Too funny. Spilled my coffee.

      • straightline
        October 23, 2014, 4:52 am

        hophmi: “a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization”

        You mean like Kenya, Malaysia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Algeria, East Timor, many other post-colonial states, and post-Mandate Israel.

    • seafoid
      October 23, 2014, 12:45 am

      “We can’t always be the only ones self-reflecting.”

      More and more it seems as though Israel is best approached via a therapy framework.

      link to dbtselfhelp.com

      “When we learn to accept our negative emotions, we begin to let go of the hold they have on us and the suffering that they cause us (*and the Palestinians) . Accepting our emotions, letting ourselves realize that we have these emotions and that they are real and valid, is NOT approving of our suffering, or approving of the events that preceded these emotions (*or how we were educated in Hebrew or indoctrinated in the IDF) . We DON’T have to approve of our negative emotions as we learn to accept them. ”

      We don’t have to kill children in Gaza to get a good night’s sleep.

    • bryan
      October 23, 2014, 3:25 am

      >> hophmi: “The question is whether a Palestinian leader would ever be as reflective as Ruby Rivlin”

      Let’s try a controlled experiment: Give the Palestinians statehood, wait over 60 years, and see if a reflective symbolic leader emerges. I think the chances are good.

      The social environment in Israel doesn’t really encourage a great deal of reflection does it? Was Ben Gurion honest and reflective? Sharon? Netanyahu? Lieberman? It is difficult to think of many other Israelis who have used a leadership role to honestly confront the public with honest choices. Perhaps Avraham Burg (stand-in President for 20 days in 2000). After he left politics he said “Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centers of Israeli escapism.” He argued in a book, ‘Defeating Hitler’ that Israeli society was fascist and violent (because of carefully cultivated continuing trauma over the Holocaust). He opposed the concept of a Jewish state, and suggested abolishing the Law of Return. He urged that Israel become “a democratic state that belongs to all of its citizens” but admitted that Israel had “grand experience of missing every opportunity and accusing everyone else except ourselves”. He endorsed a boycott of settlement products, claiming Israel was Israel “the last colonial occupier in the Western world”.

      If Israel was a liberal, diverse western society you would expect a few more of these voices surely?

    • Talkback
      October 23, 2014, 9:06 am

      Because Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization that preaches the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That’s pretty sick too.

      Hamas never preaches the charta that was written for it by an antisemitic lunatic. What it preaches and what it was voted for was its election program.

      We can’t always be the only ones self-reflecting.

      True. Btw. why are most streets and places in Israel named after the fascist lover Jebotinsky? On second place is the terrorist Begin who was prime minister of Israel. Like the terrorist Shamir whose terrorist organisation even proposed an alliance to the Nazis.

    • James North
      October 23, 2014, 10:21 am

      hophmi: Do you know President Rivlin well enough to call him “Ruby”?

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2014, 12:14 pm

        “hophmi: Do you know President Rivlin well enough to call him “Ruby”?”

        Now, now, that’s enough of that! I have heard they are just really good friends, nothing more.

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2014, 5:10 pm

      “Because Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization that preaches the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

      Too bad harvest season is over, and all the grain has been shipped to market. Hophmi could have been a record-setting flailer. He makes the chaff fly until you can’t see across the barn.

  21. hophmi
    October 22, 2014, 6:34 pm

    And yet again, I feel compelled to remind you Phil, that the vast majority of Israelis are not in the street chanting “Death to the Arabs.” It remains a small minority, maybe as small as the group of people (50 out of a town of 25,000), who were watching the IDF bomb Gaza from their lawn chairs in Sderot.

    It’s always a disingenuous rhetorical device to try and define a group by the most extreme among them. It’s the tool of the propagandist and the demagogue.

    • Horizontal
      October 22, 2014, 6:50 pm

      @hophmi ~

      I’d give more credence to your statements if Israel itself were behaving any differently, but I’m not seeing it. I don’t get the feeling that a large, peaceful and understanding majority is getting hijacked into supporting the continued illegal occupation, warfare, detention, etc., by some alien right-wing government. According to the polls I saw, the latest mowing of the lawn was pretty damn popular. Perhaps many felt that screaming “Death to the Arabs” would be redundant.

      • michelle
        October 23, 2014, 3:08 pm

        .
        “HorizontalOctober 22, 2014, 6:50 pm
        @hophmi ~

        I’d give more credence to your statements if Israel itself were behaving any differently, but I’m not seeing it. I don’t get the feeling that a large, peaceful and understanding majority is getting hijacked into supporting the continued illegal occupation, warfare, detention, etc., by some alien right-wing government. According to the polls I saw, the latest mowing of the lawn was pretty damn popular. Perhaps many felt that screaming “Death to the Arabs” would be redundant.”
        .
        this is a worry because the same can be said about America, England …. and so called democracy …. this isn’t just Israel is it
        Israel is the ‘pimple’ on the face of it
        maybe it is because of global zion(?) influence/pressure
        but are these ‘our’ elected world leaders really so weak
        (they sure stand up strong and united against ‘us’ and our rights and needs)
        .
        not Jewish no matter
        not in my name either
        equal justice free Palestine
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • oldgeezer
      October 22, 2014, 6:59 pm

      lolol!!! Your first response was funny but your follow up is truly a laugh out loud moment. That statement coming from a supporter of a state which seeks to demonize not only all Palestinians but Muslims as well.

      You missed your best career choice I suspect.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2014, 12:15 pm

        “You missed your best career choice I suspect.”

        As the deadpan ‘straight’ man in a cross-talk comedy act based on I-P issues?

    • just
      October 22, 2014, 8:00 pm

      “And yet again, I feel compelled to remind you Phil, that the vast majority of Israelis are not in the street chanting “Death to the Arabs. ”

      Only 95% of Israelis were cheering on the massacre.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2014, 5:15 pm

        “And yet again, I feel compelled to remind you Phil, that the vast majority of Israelis are not in the street chanting “Death to the Arabs. ”

        Just a tiny, tiny minority, but they happen to be seated in the pilots and bombardier seats in the plane, or driving a tank, or targeting artillery. Just a tiny, tiny minority, but they seem to get the job done.

    • a blah chick
      October 22, 2014, 8:33 pm

      “It’s always a disingenuous rhetorical device to try and define a group by the most extreme among them. It’s the tool of the propagandist and the demagogue.”

      Hold that thought.

    • eljay
      October 22, 2014, 9:09 pm

      >> hophmeee: It’s always a disingenuous rhetorical device to try and define a group by the most extreme among them. It’s the tool of the propagandist and the demagogue.

      Which explains why Israel and Zio-supremacists regularly wield that tool when defining Arabs, Muslims and Gentiles.

    • Brewer
      October 22, 2014, 10:25 pm

      “the vast majority of Israelis are not in the street chanting “Death to the Arabs”

      Of course not. Why would citizens march and chant for what is already the policy of their government?

      link to mirror.co.uk

    • seafoid
      October 23, 2014, 12:47 am

      “that the vast majority of Israelis are not in the street chanting “Death to the Arabs.” It remains a small minority -”

      Israel’s immune system is shot, Hoph. It’s the weakness of Israeli civil society that allowed those thugs to take to the streets.
      And there is no point in defending it.

    • tear-stained uzi
      October 23, 2014, 3:33 am

      “It’s always a disingenuous rhetorical device to try and define a group by the most extreme among them. It’s the tool of the propagandist and the demagogue.”. — hophmi

      “…Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization that preaches the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”. — hophmi, two minutes later

    • talknic
      October 23, 2014, 10:47 am

      @ hophmi
      ” It remains a small minority, maybe as small as the group of people (50 out of a town of 25,000), who were watching the IDF bomb Gaza from their lawn chairs in Sderot.”

      So how come, being in full view in their lawn chairs cheering the slaughter and well within range even of wonky home made rockets, Hamas didn’t target them?

      • Bornajoo
        October 23, 2014, 6:11 pm

        @hophmi
        I’m not sure if you are aware that Hamas’ weaponry is not quite as good as the idf stuff. I know it’s all very technical but the idf have these things called laser guided missiles and Hamas have these flying drainpipes guided by a hope and a prayer. However they’ve made huge strides recently and apparently their hit rate has gone from one in 10,000 to one in 3,000. So I worked out that they would need to use up their entire arsenal to try and hit just 3 of the popcorn munchers up on that Hill in Sderot.

    • Brewer
      October 23, 2014, 4:01 pm

      Lest we forget, Sderot is built on the ruins of what had been Najd and Huj, Palestinian villages. Given this History………:

      “Huj’s day of destiny came on 31 May 1948, when the Israeli Negev Brigade’s 7th Battalion, facing an advancing Egyptian army, arrived in the village. In Morris’s words, “the brigade expelled the villagers of Huj … to the Gaza Strip”………..
      ……Morris elaborates: “Huj had traditionally been friendly; in 1946, its inhabitants had hidden Haganah men from a British dragnet. In mid-December 1947, while on a visit to Gaza, the mukhtar (mayor) and his brother were shot dead by a mob that accused them of ‘collaboration’. But at the end of May, given the proximity of the advancing Egyptian column, the Negev Brigade decided to expel the inhabitants – and then looted and blew up their houses.”

      So the people of Huj had helped the Jewish Haganah army escape the British – and the thanks they got was to be sent into Gaza as refugees……………
      ……But the present day Sderot, writes the Palestinian historian Walid Khalidi, was built on farmland belonging to another Palestinian Arab village called Najd, its 422 Muslim inhabitants living in 82 homes, growing citrus, bananas and cereals. They shared the same fate as the people of Huj. On 12 and 13 May 1948, the Negev Brigade of the Israeli army – again, according to Morris – drove them out. They, too, were sent into exile in Gaza. Thus did the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, as another Israeli historian, Illan Pappé, calls it bluntly, wipe from history the people who farmed the land on which Sderot would be built.”

      ………..who would not fire rockets at it?

      link to independent.co.uk

      link to palestineremembered.com

    • pjdude
      October 23, 2014, 5:20 pm

      what percentage of Israel supports the terrorist settlers in the west bank? 70 80%?

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2014, 5:12 pm

      “And yet again, I feel compelled to remind you….”

      Yeah, yeah, the Cities of the Plain pulled the same schtick, Hophmi. Did ’em no good, as I recall.

  22. JWalters
    October 22, 2014, 7:42 pm

    Unfortunately, the war profiteering forces behind Israel are ruthless.

    Fact – The original, official Bush administration report on the 9/11 attack contained NO [….]

  23. Walid
    October 22, 2014, 8:25 pm

    “Does he have the makings of a De Klerk, the ability to state to his fellow citizens that the project has failed and must be reimagined? ” (Phil)

    Not much reaction to what was said by the Israeli President because the man in his position has zero influence on anything actually happening in Israel; his presidential post is largely ceremonial. His messages to his fellow citizens have zero value and not any more reportable than the ramblings of President Peres.

    FWIW, Wiki says about him: “Rivlin is a strong supporter of minority rights, particularly those of the Arab citizens of Israel, and is opposed to the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, being in favour of a version of the One-state solution.”

    Maybe Rivlin was made President to sidetrack him and this is where this outburst is coming from.

    • Horizontal
      October 22, 2014, 11:47 pm

      Maybe Rivlin was made President to sidetrack him and this is where this outburst is coming from.

      Kind of a court jester, allowed to speak the truth but impossible to be taken seriously?

  24. Qualtrough
    October 22, 2014, 10:36 pm

    Hopfmi–“It’s always a disingenuous rhetorical device to try and define a group by the most extreme among them. It’s the tool of the propagandist and the demagogue.”

    The extent of your lack of self-awareness, although never in doubt, is now crystal clear.

    • hophmi
      October 23, 2014, 5:50 am

      Sure, whatever floats your boat. I’ve been here longer than you, and the fact that every comment I make is the basis of countless ad hominem attacks leads me to believe that it’s not me who lacks self awareness.

      • straightline
        October 23, 2014, 7:04 am

        From wikipedia:

        Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact …

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • seafoid
        October 23, 2014, 8:14 am

        You’re nuts. Hoph., But you are so lovable with your delusions about Israel

      • just
        October 23, 2014, 11:20 am

        “I’ve been here longer than you, and the fact that every comment I make is the basis of countless ad hominem attacks leads me to believe that it’s not me who lacks self awareness.”

        Are you serious? Bringing your illusory creds to MW?

      • pjdude
        October 23, 2014, 5:23 pm

        an ad hominem attack is one that trys to use personal facts about you to refute an argument. to wit very few people have done that.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2014, 5:21 pm

        .” I’ve been here longer than you, and the fact that every comment I make is the basis of countless ad hominem attacks leads me to believe that it’s not me who lacks self awareness.”

        Hophmi, if you don’t know how to ‘change the channel’ on your internet browser, I’m sure somebody here would help you. There’s no reason for you to be stuck at a site where the dialogue tastes like poison., and the articles are all too short!

  25. Nevada Ned
    October 23, 2014, 12:49 am

    IMHO three recent events are related:

    (1) Sweden recognizes Palestine

    (2) The UK recognizes Palestine

    (3) Israeli President says Israeli society is sick.

    Event 3 is a reaction to events 1 and 2. The Israeli president in effect says, “we’re in trouble.” He can see the handwriting on the wall. What he said is less important than who said it. Even though his position is ceremonial, the Israeli President is a member of the Israeli ruling class. And he is looking for a way out.
    That is why Mondoweiss readers shouldn’t dismiss this new development as unimportant.

    -Ned

  26. NickJOCW
    October 23, 2014, 9:30 am

    It’s unimportant to outsiders, like me, how many Jewish people support or reject this or that aspect of Israeli behaviour or what they think about Israeli society, and there is no particular reason why any aspect of either should become ‘viral’ anywhere but in Israel itself and among committed cognoscenti. All who support a state for Jewish people on what is someone else’s land fall broadly into the same objective category. Israel was designated an area by the UN and as far as most of the world is concerned that is all there is to it; the principle Palestinian BDS demand is that Israel withdraw from all occupied land. The only ‘negotiation’ necessary to achieve that would seem to be over a practical and humanitarian time-scale. As I understand it, this is the path on which Abbas and others are embarking via the UN, and it has nothing to do with the actions of the IDF, the settlers, or rockets from Gaza. The brutality and ugliness are not the reasons for ending the occupation. The reason is it is illegal and conducted in defiance of international laws, and if Israel disagrees with that then the UN is the place for their legal experts to rehearse their opinions; slaughtering people by the thousand in full view of the world’s media shouldn’t effect any UN decisions, but can hardly be expected to help Israeli arguments. Charges of antisemitism are similarly irrelevant. Appearances are reality today, and Israel’s appearance is steadily worsening while many of those who have adopted ambiguous attitudes in the past are now feeling the need for a bit of window dressing, which I imagine was behind the recent Gaza reconstruction meeting in Cairo, as is Kerry’s ‘situation unsustainable’ comment. I wouldn’t go so far as to say President Rivlin’s statement is in that category but it is in sympathy with it. There will be more, it’s what happens in the interstices of any progressive development, and as with cracks extending in a dam there comes the point when the dam is beyond saving and those too close make sensible decisions.

  27. talknic
    October 23, 2014, 10:39 am

    @ hophmi

    “The question is whether a Palestinian leader would ever be as reflective as Ruby Rivlin”

    I understand your need, but why should a Palestinian leader be as reflective as Ruby Rivlin?

    The Palestinians have good reason to hate Israel and Israelis with a vengeance. The Jewish state has after all illegally acquired more than half of the Palestinians rightful territories AFTER having been given completely gratis over half the territory of Palestine 1948 for a Jewish State!

    However, in an amazingly generous gesture, the Palestinians have offered to accept only 22%of their rightful territory in order that there be peace with Israel and;
    by such an agreement assist Israel to circumvent the Laws under which Israel would be legally required to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, take all its citizens and pay rightful compensation for 66 years of blatant aggression in territories “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

    “Because Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization ..”

    You have a link to the Hamas election platform … I’d like to read it … thx

    • MRW
      October 30, 2014, 7:30 am

      “Because Palestinian society is a society that elected to lead it a terrorist organization.”

      Which is exactly what the Brits said about us in 1776.

  28. talknic
    October 23, 2014, 10:59 am

    Another fine example of Israeli BULLSH*T!

    “Israel also claimed tracking technology proved Monday’s strike on Al-Shifa hospital and Shati refugee camp park which killed 10 people was due to misfired Hamas rockets”

    A) ALL the rockets that hit Al-Shifa hospital and Shati refugee camp misfired and all landed in the same places? WOW that’s extremely ACCURATE mis-firing!!! The odds are ……

    B) Palestinian rockets for the most part SIMPLY DO NOT CARRY payloads capable of inflicting the damage evidenced in the aftermath photos of Al-Shifa hospital and Shati refugee camp!

    • talknic
      October 23, 2014, 11:01 am

      A link to the Israeli ” misfired Hamas rockets” statement … link to mirror.co.uk

      • Horizontal
        October 23, 2014, 11:42 am

        I went to your Mirror link and that map made no sense to me.

        Hamas supposedly fired rockets to the north when Israel is attacking from the other direction? To what purpose? Who fired them, the Three Stooges?

        Then again, there is this, presumably not another Hamas misfire:

        The seventy-one-page report, “Rain of Fire: Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza,” provides witness accounts of the devastating effects that white phosphorus munitions had on civilians and civilian property in Gaza. Human Rights Watch researchers found spent shells, canister liners, and dozens of burnt felt wedges containing white phosphorus on city streets, apartment roofs, residential courtyards, and at a United Nations school in Gaza immediately after hostilities ended in January.

        <a href="link to projectcensored.org article here.

        I suppose the only thing worse than repeatedly committing war crimes is lying about it.

  29. lysias
    October 23, 2014, 11:56 am

    Today’s Washington Post has a whole article on the emigration of Israeli Jews to Berlin: Waves of young Israelis find a home in the former Nazi capital. The article presents the motivation as purely materialistic: to escape the high cost of living in Israel and benefit from the low costs of Berlin. But Max Blumenthal’s Goliath says that many Israelis who go are seeking to escape the sick Israeli society.

    • Shmuel
      October 23, 2014, 12:06 pm

      The article presents the motivation as purely materialistic: to escape the high cost of living in Israel and benefit from the low costs of Berlin. But Max Blumenthal’s Goliath says that many Israelis who go are seeking to escape the sick Israeli society.

      I think the two are connected — especially since such emigrants must contend with numerous ideological taboos and barriers (both internal and external), just to do what’s “normal”: seek a better life for yourself and your family.

      “Normality” was the promise Zionism originally held out, but these mostly second and third generation Israelis have rejected the collective psychoses and sense of guilt imposed by the ideology in which they were raised. They just want to be “normal”. Perhaps challenging the biggest psychosis/taboo of all — moving to “the former Nazi capital” — is the surest way to recovery.

      • just
        October 23, 2014, 2:49 pm

        That could very well be, Shmuel.

    • American
      October 23, 2014, 3:55 pm

      I hope the Jewish Israelis emigrants to Germany have the sense to not support this zionist shit shirring :

      link to jpost.com

      Pro-Israel German-language Jewish magazine launches in Berlin

      ” BERLIN – Seated in a café in the Hotel Kempinski in the bustling downtown shopping area of Berlin, Dr. Rafael Korenzecher explains why he launched Jüdische Rundschau, a new German- Jewish monthly magazine.

      “We have a message and we are not a mainstream news outlet,” he says. Now, he stresses he “has the opportunity to reach the German public” and convey that “appeasement is a false policy.”

      ” Jüdische Rundschau, loosely translated as “The Jewish Review,” devotes many of its articles to Israel, contemporary anti-Semitism and Jewish culture . The monthly, which Korenzecher launched in July, has a sister Russian- language publication.

      ” Asked why he decided to manage the paper, Heni tells The Jerusalem Post it was a “real chance once a month to bring together international and national voices in 40 pages covering topics such as Israel, anti-Semitism and the Iranian threat, which would otherwise not be heard or read in Germany.”

      Heni says Jüdische Rundschau has a clear position that “stands behind Israel and has no problem criticizing the German government.” –

      ”Karl Pfeifer, a top expert on Austrian anti-Semitism, wrote a highly detailed article on Austrian politicians’ downplaying of Jew-hatred and the failure of major political parties to confront anti-Semitism. The October issue also reaches across the Atlantic to interview US historian Dr. Jeffrey Herf on“post-Holocaust anti-Semitism.”

      ” Alex Feuerherdt contributed an article on the “two-faced policies of Germany-Israel relations.” His departure point is Germany’s flourishing business relationship with the Islamic Republic of Iran at the expense of Israel’s security.

      Jennifer Nathalie Pyka, a journalist from Munich, outlined the German infatuation with the Middle East in her article “The German Patient: The land of 82 million Middle East experts.”

  30. Daniel Rich
    October 23, 2014, 12:38 pm

    But, mah, we got a gator, crook cromodile to add to our Jewish Southern Food stew

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2014, 5:37 pm

      “cromodile to add to our Jewish Southern Food stew…”

      I’m not clicking that link until somebody else clicks on it and tells me it’s okay.

  31. michelle
    October 23, 2014, 2:01 pm

    .
    sounds like a t-shirt ad
    there are ways around msm
    the public needs to know
    there’s power in the people
    .
    no to justice
    yes to equal justice
    .
    link to search.aol.com
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  32. michelle
    October 23, 2014, 2:31 pm

    .
    link to theguardian.com
    .
    “Although details were sketchy, police said they suspected the incident was what is termed a “run-over” attack, similar to past cases where vehicles have been driven into passersby.

    That claim, however, was denied by Shaludi’s family who told Israeli media: “We are certain that this was a regular car accident. Over the past few days he did not feel well and it could be due to his illness that he lost control of the wheel. Many similar accidents have occurred in many places and there was no suspicion of a terrorist attack.

    “A few days ago a Jewish settler knocked over two girls near Ramallah. He killed one and the other is in serious condition. The police immediately said it was a car accident. In our case they said the opposite in seconds. This is because the driver was an Arab driver. When a Jewish driver was involved in an accident the attitude was different and no one shot him.”
    .
    the person(s) who shot/killed the driver should be brought up on charges of murder
    or by Israel standards the family(s) friends neighbors and every & all who said as much as boo to these persons should be imprisoned beaten starved …. without charges indefinitely
    and the whole of Israel (leaders and people) should be held to account via land grabs public slander night raids ….
    .
    Israelis should have to walk a mile in the shoes of the Palestines
    .
    yes to equal justice
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  33. Kathleen
    October 23, 2014, 2:45 pm

    “It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,” Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday at a conference titled “From Xenophobia to Accepting the Other.” –

    link to juancole.com

  34. Boomer
    October 28, 2014, 5:38 am

    It is a congenital syndrome.

  35. Mooser
    October 28, 2014, 5:36 pm

    “It is a congenital syndrome.”

    I am going to assume you don’t know what “congenital” means, but like the sound of the word.

  36. scribejohn
    December 21, 2014, 6:26 am

    Avishai is right. The article does provide only a caricature of this movement. Extreme Arab groups have been shouting death to Jews of death to Israel for years, to the extent that it hardly becomes news. So when extreme Jewish groups do the same, it comes as no surprise. Even if a realistic two state solution comes into being (along green line guidelines), there will still be a 10% hardline element on both sides who oppose it – who want ALL the cake rather than any agreement to share it. So there will be strong railing on both sides.

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