God is on Israel’s side, but not the United States, says Israel’s new U.N. ambassador

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The new Israeli ambassador to the United Nations believes that Israel has God on its side but not the United States. In fact, U.S. policy has cost Israel “thousands of young lives.”

The appointment of the rightwing Israeli politician Danny Danon as ambassador is widely seen as an expression of contempt for diplomacy on the part of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a specific rebuke of President Obama, because Danon argues that Israel should annex the West Bank and force Palestinians to become citizens of Jordan.

But Danon’s beliefs go beyond rightwing political dictums to a religious understanding of Israel’s best friends. In his 2012 book, Israel: The Will to Prevail, Danon repeatedly quotes God, saying that God gave the land of Canaan to the Jews as an “everlasting possession” and God even went took the trouble to renname the land “Israel.”

He also states that Israel has only been hurt when it responded to pressure from the United States: Israel has served itself best by undertaking preemptive attacks, against Egypt and Iraq, rather than accepting American counsel to hold back– a view that applies to Iran as well. That country is similar to Nazi Germany and therefore must be attacked. Danon wrote:

“Compare the period of Nazi Germany to what is happening now in Iran and you will find many similarities, from a messianic leader to national unification via hatred and propaganda. The lack of firm action and the dialogue of the international community are very similar to those in Europe before the Second World War. There isn’t time to wait and see what the Iran scenario will turn out to be.”

What follows are passages from the book in which Danon repeatedly quotes God’s promises and in which he expresses contempt for American counsel for Israel, including the charge that the U.S. cost Israel “thousands” of young lives in 1973.

First, God:

The Jewish people base their claim of the Land of Israel on a few basic premises aside from the fact that the territory was captured in defensive wars: (1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham…

Open the Bible to nearly any page and …. You will see that in every description of the place there is a connection of Jews to the land…

Essential to even a basic understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures is recognition of the connection between a specific area of land and a specific people in covenant with God. In the Bible, God gave Abraham, the first patriarch of Israel, the land of Canaan, renamed “Israel” by God, as an everlasting possession….

The patriarch Abraham was told by God to leave his native land and his father’s house for a land that God would show him. God promised to make of him a great nation, to bless him, make his name great, bless Those who blessed him, and curse those who cursed him…. Upon entering the land, God told Abraham that it would be for him and his descendants as a pledge: “Unto thy seed will I give this land”…

Note that the term Palestine is rarely used in the Old Testament….

God told Moses to bring the people out of Egypt and return them to their land. During the 40 years it took to reach their destination, God gave the people of Israel the Torah and the Tabernacle, both with an eye on the upcoming conquest of The Land….

For the next almost two thousand years, Jews everywhere kept an intimate relationship with their land. Three times daily in prayer and every time bread was broken, the Jews would remember their land and beseech God to return them to it…

The Jewish people’s claim to Israel is older and stronger than any other people’s in the history of the world.

Now here are passages in which Danon states that the American policy toward Israel only hurt Israel. The pattern began during the Holocaust:

The very people in whom the Jews had the most faith—Americans–essentially abandoned the Jews in Europe during the Holocaust.

It continued in the Eisenhower administration, which threatened “to outlaw American Jewish organizations that aided Israel.”

Danon even implies that the United States should have sent troops to Israel to defend it in 1967, but didn’t have the will. Before the ’67 war, he writes, “the United States refused to support Israel’s efforts to defend herself…. The United States didn’t have the stomach for involvement with another war on an entirely different front [in Vietnam]. Instead of sending aid or troops, it tried very hard to find diplomatic solutions to the problem.”

The U.S. again failed Israel in the Yom Kippur war of 1973, an episode that “exposes the deadly effects of too much U.S. interference.”

Instead of engaging in a preemptive attack against the Arab nations that were gearing up once again at the borders, Israeli leadership succumbed to U.S. pressure, ultimately losing thousands of young lives in a surprise attack by Egypt and Syria….

Had we not been so worried about what [Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger and President Nixon thought, and called the reserves a day before Yom Kippur, there would have been troops at the border that could have protected citizens and defended Israel…

As a result, 2,222 Israelis were killed…

I can only wonder how many lives would have been saved had Prime Minister [Golda] Meir massed troops for the surprise attack and told Kissinger, I put the safety of my people before your ideas.

Later American pressure stopped Israel from destroying the Egyptian Third Army in the Sinai.

Because of U.S. pressure, Israel was not able to pursue the fruits of war to her advantage.

Israel did not double down on the Third Army and by capitulating to Kissinger’s demand lost an opportunity to show… that we could dominate even when taken by surprise….

Again the U.S. failed Israeli in 1981. America knew that Iraq was reaching “nuclear capability and would exploit the ability to influence or destroy Israel.

Despite the American consensus, America refused to act, perhaps because it did not truly grasp the danger, or, more realistically, because it did not want to upset Iraq.

Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin insisted that he would “not be the man in whose time there will be a second Holocaust” and ordered a strike on the Iraqi nuclear facility at Osirak.

Danon offers a rationale for preemptive strikes by Israel.

Preemptive, preventive strikes are risky for many reasons…. They may not be greeted with enthusiasm or admiration from the international community. So be it. Israel must be willing to make decisions that are unpopular around the globe.

Danon is now setting out on that path of unpopularity. In that book he describes the peace process as insane: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

The one-state reality is here. Even the Washington Post is acknowledging as much. What do Americans (and liberal Zionists) have to say about giving $4 billion a year to a country where half the people can’t vote, because of their ethnicity?

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  1. JLewisDickerson
    August 28, 2015, 12:44 pm

    RE: “Danon’s beliefs go beyond rightwing political dictums to a religious understanding of Israel’s best friends.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Yes, Danon seems to be “channeling” John Hagee!

    John Hagee Today, ‘Israel- God’s Two Minute Warning’ – Jul 5, 2015

    • MHughes976
      August 28, 2015, 5:09 pm

      There was a version of one of these slogans on a car, reading Obama is Antchrist. Someone remarked that this was good news for our insect friends.

    • JLewisDickerson
      August 29, 2015, 11:35 am

      P.S. HAGEE FROM THE VIDEO: “God is not through using the Jewish people.”
      MY REPLY: Neither is John Hagee through usingthe Jewish (and fundamentalist Christian) people! ! !

      P.P.S. H. L. MENCKEN’S ODE TO JOHN HAGEE:
      “Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of a car salesman.”
      SOURCE – http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/deep-within-the-heart-of-every-evangelist-lies-the-wreck-of-a-car

      • hammersmith
        August 31, 2015, 10:00 am

        Using Israel? Half the story. Israel and the evangelicals have a symbiotic relationship (along w/ the military-industrial complex). Think about it–parasites living off each other!

    • JWalters
      August 29, 2015, 6:15 pm

      The Israelis are eagerly looking forward to ruling the world from their capital in Jerusalem when the “messianic times” arrive.
      http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

      Simultaneously the Evangelicals who “support” Israel are eagerly looking forward to a nuclear holocaust that obliterates Israel when the “end times” arrive.

      The Israelis think they are duping the Evangelicals, while the Evangelicals think they are duping the Israelis.

      Meanwhile the war profiteers, worshipers of gold, are duping them both (“War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”). These sociopaths don’t care who is obliterated as long as the MIC profits continue rolling in. This would be crazier than a Shakespearian comedy of errors if the outcomes weren’t so catastrophic.

      The gold worshipers are clearly ready to re-locate, since they are engineering a global climate catastrophe. So they may also be puppet-mastering a blowout in Israel as a grand finale to their “War on Terror”.

      I’d ask Donald Trump point-blank if he thinks a nuclear holocaust in Israel would bring the return of Jesus.

      • Kathleen
        August 29, 2015, 10:17 pm

        “gold worshipers” enough of those to fill up hell if there is such a place

    • RockyMissouri
      August 30, 2015, 1:39 am

      This vulgarity is surely in pain, the way he speaks about his fellow man….no one could be that way unless they were demented.

    • hammersmith
      August 31, 2015, 9:57 am

      This fellow, John Hagee, is closer to ISIS than he could know.

    • JLewisDickerson
      September 1, 2015, 5:48 pm

      P.P.P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA (John Hagee):

      [EXCERPTS] . . . John Hagee was born in Goose Creek, Texas, now part of Baytown, to the former Vada Mildred Swick and the Reverend William Bythel Hagee.[7] He graduated from Trinity University in San Antonio, with a Bachelor of Science in History and Education in 1964.[8] He was on a football scholarship and appeared on the Academic Dean’s List.[9] Hagee received a Master’s degree in Educational Administration from the University of North Texas in Denton in 1966 and completed his theological training at Southwestern Assemblies of God University with a Diploma in Theology in Waxahachie, south of Dallas. In 1989, he received an Honorary Doctorate from Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[10] In 2005, he received another Honorary Doctorate from Netanya Academic College in Israel.[11] Hagee served on the Oral Roberts University Board of Regents from 1989 to January 2008.[8] John Hagee was the leader of the San Antonio mega-church Trinity Church in the 1970s and is the father of two children with his first wife, Martha Downing. In 1975, Hagee was involved in a personal scandal in which he admitted in a letter to his congregation that he had been guilty of “immorality.”[12] He subsequently divorced his wife of 15 years and, one year later on April 12, 1976, married 24-year-old Diana Castro, his current wife.[13] Castro was a member of the Trinity Church congregation at the time of Hagee’s confession. As a result of the fallout from his divorce, Hagee resigned from his pastoral position at Trinity. Hagee and Castro have three children together. Hagee founded The Church at Castle Hills, on Mother’s Day, May 11, 1975. The church started with 25 members, but within two years, had to build a new sanctuary seating 1,600 people. The church continued to grow. On October 4, 1987, Hagee dedicated a 5,000+-seat sanctuary and named it Cornerstone Church. Dr. W. A. Criswell, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, anointed Hagee and Diana before the congregation.[14] . . .

      . . . The San Antonio B’nai B’rith Council awarded Hagee with its “Humanitarian of the Year” award. It was the first time this award was given to a non-Jew.[24] Hagee was presented the Zionist Organization of America’s Israel Award by U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick. This award was given by the Jewish Community of Dallas, Texas.[25] He was presented the ZOA Service Award by Texas Governor Mark White.
      Hagee has been to Israel more than two dozen times and has met with every Prime Minister of Israel since Menachem Begin. John Hagee Ministries has given several million dollars to bring Soviet Jews from the former Soviet Union to Israel, as well as millions to support Jewish orphanages and other worthy causes for the Jewish people in Israel and around the globe. Hagee is the Founder and Executive Director of “A Night to Honor Israel”, an event that expresses solidarity between Christians and Jews on behalf of Jerusalem, the State of Israel, and the United States.[26]
      On February 7, 2006, Hagee and 400 leaders from the Christian and Jewish communities formed a new national organization called Christians United for Israel (CUFI).[27] This organization addresses members of the United States Congress, professing a Biblical justification for the defense of Israel. Around this time he received death threats for supporting Israel, and has since had bodyguards standing by while preaching at his church or at speaking engagements.[28]
      Hagee was the primary early funding source for the Israeli Zionist group Im Tirtzu,[29] which has pressured Israeli academics it accuses of being anti-Zionist and lobbied to have their funding cut for their political views.[30] . . .

      SOURCE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

      • JLewisDickerson
        September 1, 2015, 6:24 pm

        P.P.P.P.S. Apparently “Pastor” Hagee liked to dip his “pen” in the congregational “ink”! ! !

  2. Kay24
    August 28, 2015, 1:00 pm

    The ungrateful leeches. They keep referring to the Holocaust and using the guilt card to extract all they can, and then they get all agitated when things don’t go their way. I am tired of this parasitic relationship, and they way they use us as tools for their devious schemes, and I am sure if we stopped the aid, free weapons, and protection at the US, they will turn against us, verbally attack us, and make us out to be the villains. This Danon is a piece of work, and giving him this prestigious job at the UN is nothing but zionist arrogance and disregard for decency.

    • Krauss
      August 28, 2015, 3:55 pm

      Kay, I don’t think you read the article closely enough.

      Danon doesn’t want too much American involvement. He’s fine without lockstep American support, in fact his very point is that that support has often had strings attached to it that has damaged Israeli interests(in his view).

      What you are talking about is mainstream Zionism. Rely on American largesse but being perpetually ungrateful. Danon isn’t ungrateful, he is denounceful.

      I don’t think that he would push very hard for endless military assistance. He’d probably move Israel more neutrally in the world stage, push it closer to China, which also has huge human rights problems, and Russia.

      In a sense, a Danonised Israel would be a more honest Israel, yes, but also a more independent Israel. Not as reliant on America, whether diplomatically or financially.

      And by the way, viewed from a right-wing Zionist lens, his points are logical and valid, even if the moral underpinnings(or lack thereof) are terrible. But at least he’s consistent. You don’t get the double speak and the rank hypocrisy so common among liberal Zionists. That’s refreshing.

      • WH
        August 28, 2015, 5:08 pm

        You really think he doesn’t want those billions and those vetoes?

      • a blah chick
        August 28, 2015, 5:49 pm

        If he wants to cut American apron strings great! He can start by lobbying for
        less American aid.

      • traintosiberia
        August 28, 2015, 5:54 pm

        Yes Danon wants to become more independent and be freed from the shackles of US.
        Can he help America discontinue the yearly aid?
        Can he stop depending on America to rescue Israel in UN?
        Can he ask America not to try to impose sanction on future enemies of Israel? Can he start working on busting on the myth that America and Isarel are eternal allies?
        He is like the jilted lover who has got everything but still wants more but offers no sex to the partner and doesn’t do the reciprocal part and now threatens divorce because the flower didn’t arrive morning on time.

        But the journey this man taking isn’t not right or left wing . It is zionism wing . It is something a person with undetectable conscience can complete .
        The gratitude isn’t in the DNA . DNA of Zionism doesn’t and can’t allow it. The beasts jumps on the feeder the moment the feeding stops .

        But are we surprised? Why should we be?

        We should go back in time to the closing days of British empire-

        “http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/28/zionism-in-britain-a-neglected-chronicle/
        –“”“We are determined this time to squash you British sons of a bitch and we declare war to the finish against the British. For every Jew you stinking British pigs kill in Palestine you will pay a thousandfold in fetid English blood. The [Lahome Herut Israel] has passed sentence of death on the British pig Mayhew. The execution will soon take place by silent and new means.””

        It is obvious that America has replaced Britain when seen at the same mirror that once reflected the Zionist”s take on Britain in 1940s

        Your observation that Danon might sale his pitch in China is worth noticing .
        Didn’t his great grandfather try same traveling through the capitals of the Europe and Ottoman looking for a perfect match for the future crime?

      • Kay24
        August 28, 2015, 6:44 pm

        Really, do you think for one minute Israel can do without US involvement? Where would Israel be today without the billions of dollars, weapons, and the protection at the UN? Danon may show his arrogance dissing the US, but the moment the US is in a crunch and talks of cutting back, the Israeli lobbies swarm around Congress begging for the aid not to be cut, even though the American people have to be without help.
        Obviously Netanyahu has deliberately sent a man who opposes a two state solution, as a strong signal how they will continue to operate in the region. If Netanyahu had any intention of wanting peace, stopping the illegal settlements, or going for a 2 SS, he would not have made such a choice.

      • Krauss
        August 29, 2015, 8:08 am

        Kay wrote:

        Really, do you think for one minute Israel can do without US involvement? Where would Israel be today without the billions of dollars, weapons, and the protection at the UN?

        I’m not saying he would go out of his way to attack the U.S. but it’s obvious he is uncomfortable with the so-called special relationship.

        I read the right-wing Zionists from time to time. I have to: they are the ones who will rule Israel in the coming decades. If you’re reading the liberal Zionists in America you don’t get an accurate picture of where Israel is going, only a bunch of melodramatic psychodrama that has more to do with personal identity crises for individual Jews. Not very informative.

        And Danon is far from alone in his views.

        As for Israel, yes I think they’d make it without U.S. support. Obviously it wouldn’t be done overnight but steadily and slowly they would diversify economically to Asia. Israel has de facto peace treaties with a lot of Sunni Arab states today. Most of those states care/fear more about ISIS than Israel.

        Given enough of a time horizon, Israel is absolutely capable of getting around without the U.S. As I said in the original comment, you’re assuming they would act in the same way as they are now but without the lockstep support. I’m saying that is naïvé, they won’t, they’d be more tactical about things.

        Israel probably can’t be defeated militarily or economically. The only thing that can bring down Israel is cultural isolation. How badly do they want to be part of the West? Probably increasingly less so as the U.S in particular becomes more and more diverse and less Zionist in its young liberal class. Israel really never had Europe.

        In fact, I’d argue that we are seeing this playing out in slowmotion already. Danon is just ahead of the curve on this. In this sense he in the same boat, parodixically, as the BDS one-state left. Both realise that the current paradigm is finished, and that we’re seeing the slow death of the Israeli/US special relationship.

        I personally think the U.S. wouldn’t want to be put on antagonistic terms visavis Israel unless it is absolutely forced to because of populist/political constraints from the grassroots. Eventually we’ll get there but the process will be very long, giving Israel plenty of time to adapt and re-orient itself strategically.

        It fundamentally boils down to how well the Israeli-Jewish population can maintain its cultural isolation. They – or at least the Ashkenazi ruling class – don’t like the culture in the neighbourhood and while they may respect/admire China or India they know that they have little to nothing in common culturally with those two nations aside from bromides such as “value education”(who doesn’t?).

        The history of the Jews have shown a remarkable capacity of cultural isolation and self-preservation. It’s how Jews survived the ghettoes of Europe without assimiliation for centuries. Who says it can’t happen again, but this time in our own little ghetto state in the Middle East?

      • CigarGod
        August 29, 2015, 9:23 am

        I think you are correct. Seems he is openly defining Israel as a stand alone super/nuke power. In some ways, Israel resembles a Jewish Russia. You already made the obvious China link. He also seems to be openly leveraging the U.S. right…against us.
        Quite a move.

      • Mooser
        August 29, 2015, 1:17 pm

        “It’s how Jews survived the ghettoes of Europe without assimiliation for centuries. “

        I’d need a boxcar to unpack all the bullshit in that sentence.

  3. Boomer
    August 28, 2015, 1:57 pm

    re: “The appointment of the rightwing Israeli politician Danny Danon as ambassador is widely seen as an expression of contempt for diplomacy on the part of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a specific rebuke of President Obama, because Danon argues that Israel should annex the West Bank and force Palestinians to become citizens of Jordan.”

    Excellent.

  4. oldgeezer
    August 28, 2015, 2:02 pm

    Danny is a great choice. The true face of israel will be there for all to see. Love it.

    • pabelmont
      August 28, 2015, 4:59 pm

      “The true face of israel will be there for all to see.” In that case, shed a tear for the Beinarts of America.

    • WH
      August 28, 2015, 5:11 pm

      Indeed – and Bennett for prime minister.

  5. mikeo
    August 28, 2015, 2:11 pm

    I don’t think changing from the varied languages, organically developed over time, that were previously spoken by Jewish communities, to a contrived but unifying Hebrew has been “good for the Jews”

    The intellectual regression is there for all to see…

    Danaa on another thread said : “For one thing – think about this: the vast majority of American jews cannot speak Hebrew or understand it when spoken or read in it or, indeed, comprehend the dynamics of a language that has a vocabulary that’s 20 times smaller than English.”

    I don’t know how true this is but maybe it is a factor?

    • Dutch
      August 28, 2015, 3:00 pm

      [The intellectual regression is there for all to see…]

      I’m disappointed he didn’t elaborate on his whine cellar. Too much Chateau Zio, I guess.

    • echinococcus
      August 28, 2015, 4:25 pm

      The engineered loss of natural mother tongues and the development of a mainly artificial constructed language, deplorable as they are, cannot be seen as a cause of intellectual regression. Once the artificial language becomes the native tongue of a group, it soon finds its way to expressing every human thought.
      The undeniable, impressive intellectual decay cannot really be seen as a consequence of the murder of the mother tongues and the imposition of a preposterous-sounding constructed language, then. I propose that the cause is to be looked for in the selection of the study population: they are almost exclusively Zionists; the mother-tongue speakers grow up in a Zionist-only environment while the non-native speakers carry that handicap for all their life with the added, main handicap of being Zionists by choice (which means with a cognitive or emotional problem, by definition.)

    • pabelmont
      August 28, 2015, 5:02 pm

      If American Jews cannot understand modern Hebrew, then it is a secret language for them as much as for anyone else and it means they cannot read the Hebrew newspapers and learn what’s what. They therefore no other info than the propaganda from their “leaders”. The corrupt leading the blind.

      • yonah fredman
        August 28, 2015, 5:12 pm

        Haaretz is available in English. Ynet is available in English.

      • Keith
        August 28, 2015, 5:58 pm

        PABELMONT- “If American Jews cannot understand modern Hebrew….”

        Israel Shahak pointed this out years ago. Many of the Hebrew press put out an English version in which the articles are sanitized to protect Israel’s image. For quite some time Shahak provided English translations for selected foreigners including Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Blankfort. As our own Danaa has pointed out, if you don’t speak/read Hebrew, you cannot fully grasp what is actually going on, which, in fact, is rather different from the idealized vision of American Jews.

      • Susan A
        August 29, 2015, 9:55 am

        Yonah says that Haaretz is available in English. We know, of course, that this is true; but am I right in thinking that there are articles in the Hebrew Haaretz that aren’t in the English language version? I distinctly remember someone translating an article from the Hebrew version of Haaretz because that article was not in the English edition.

      • just
        August 29, 2015, 12:10 pm

        “I had to rub my eyes:

        “Israeli diplomat in Berlin: Maintaining German guilt about Holocaust helps Israel

        A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in Berlin recently told Israeli journalists it was in the country’s interest to maintain German guilt about the Holocaust, and that it isn’t seeking full normalization of relations between the governments.

        Embassy spokeswoman Adi Farjon made the comments in a closed briefing session with journalists at the embassy.

        “We were all in shock,” said a female journalist present at the briefing. “The spokeswoman clearly said it was an Israeli interest to maintain German guilt feelings. She even said that without them, we’d be just another country as far as they’re concerned.”

        Others present at the event confirmed the journalist’s account.

        Some added that the Israeli ambassador himself, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, was present for some of the briefing, as were other embassy workers who don’t speak Hebrew. …

        …“I don’t remember saying that,” Farjon told Haaretz in response. “I can’t vouch for any particular quote, she added. “It was an off-the-record conversation, a briefing talk. The way I speak with Israeli journalists is a little different. These things aren’t intended to get out. I can’t reveal the principles I work by. For example, I don’t say who I go to in order to get good stories out here, or who I pay for things like that.”

        A spokesperson for the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem said Farjon’s comments had been taken out of context. “These are tendentious quotes … from an off-the-record briefing for Israeli reporters who were visiting Berlin. At this briefing, there was an open and critical discussion in which the invited Israeli journalists took an active part, and it’s regrettable that someone decided to violate the rules of journalistic ethics and take selected statements out of their broader context and distort them in a way that alters their meaning.””

        link to haaretz.com

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/controversy-ignites-flotilla#comment-776827

      • CigarGod
        August 29, 2015, 12:26 pm

        Stunning.

      • echinococcus
        August 29, 2015, 2:37 pm

        Susan,

        A couple professional interpreters have confirmed that the English translations are doctored, avoiding rough edges or expressions that might shock in the West; sometimes whole sentences are skipped or clear passages made hard to understand, etc. In short, the kind of translation provided by Memri but without the selection. What is known as “creative translation” in the same meaning as creative accounting.

  6. michelle
    August 28, 2015, 3:19 pm

    .
    over half can’t vote and well over half aren’t allowed to return home
    .
    did the Israeli ambassador really say that God gave Israel to the children of Abraham

    the Arab Muslim Palestine people are the children of Abraham

    ISLAM. “Salam (peace) be upon Abraham!” God says in the Quran (37:109). In Islam, Prophet Ibrahim is the friend of God and the father of Prophets

    http://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_it=topsearchbox.search&v_t=client96-newtab&q=abraham+muslim
    .
    if only the ww2 Germany Jews had been treated as the Iranian Jews are being treated
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • MHughes976
      August 28, 2015, 6:00 pm

      Josephus, struggling with the ideas that Abraham was an exemplar of justice and that he appeared to have disinherited his sons other than Isaac, decided that it had been more of distribution than a disinheritance – the Hagarites were left Arabia in Abraham’s will, the sons of Keturah were authorised to found colonies in Yemen, the land of the troglodytes, leaving the Holy Land for Isaac. (Birgit van der Lans in ‘Abraham, the Nations and the Hagarites’ edited by Martin Goodman.). This is part of a fundamental problem, as I see it (if a Christian may say such things), in Jewish theology, which sets the Jews the task, not shared with others, of leading humanity back to God, it being impossible that all the nations should ‘be added to Yahweh’ until the last days. So there must, in everyone’s interest, be both kinship and alienation. Some very complicated theological narratives result!
      The initial Christian response was to change the timetable somewhat, with the nations being available for addition to the true religion, therefore into acknowledged kinship with Jews, when the last days were approaching, rather than arrived. There had to be an agonising reappraisal when the fall of the Temple did not provoke God to bring the last days on. Jewish colleagues may think that Christians began with a rash re-reading of scripture and that things got worse from there.
      You may think this fanciful, but in a sense I think of Zionism (like Sabatianism before it) as another move in the same theological game. This time human kinship was to be expressed in the generosity of the true heirs to the Holy Land, who would permit others to be around with all the grace and goodwill that was possibly consistent with their own security – and they cannot understand how this attitude to people who have, as God most literally knows, no right to be there, is treated with such brutish ingratitude.

      • michelle
        September 2, 2015, 4:22 pm

        .
        for those who truly seek the Truth it is easy
        for those who want to be ‘seen’ as seekers of the truth well then it’s never easy
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • michelle
        September 2, 2015, 10:29 am

        .
        seems like people haven’t changed much
        in all groups females are treated unjustly
        ,
        G-d Bless
        .

      • RoHa
        September 3, 2015, 12:53 am

        It was Sarah who nagged Abe into throwing out Hagar. Ishmael was male, but he too was treated unjustly.

      • michelle
        September 4, 2015, 6:08 pm

        .
        hello RoHa
        may each day be more Blessed for you and all you know
        m
        .
        the hand maid was cast out
        the male child was treated unjustly after the fact not directly
        .
        and Sara w/o any verbal prodding from ‘Abe’ demanded
        he have relations with her handmaid
        because as is self evident Sara had so much to gain from the union
        .
        as always it’s all ‘her’ fault
        ‘she’ makes the devil look meek and mild
        …. whatever
        .
        G-d will decide the truth
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • RoHa
        September 5, 2015, 1:17 am

        Thanks for the good wishes, Michelle. I hope some deity carries them out. I could do with a bit of blessing.

        I must admit I find your post a bit baffling. It looks as though you are trying to make Sarah (Abraham’s half-sister and wife) the victim. I can’t see it.

        The story is quite clear. She was the one who nagged A into shagging the slave girl. And then, when the slave girl got uppity, Sarah was the one who insisted that he toss out Hagar and Ishmael. That injustice was as direct to Ishmael as it was to Hagar.

        “G-d will decide the truth”

        God undoubtedly knows that the story is fiction. It is just another one of the stories of the dysfunctional Hebrew families that show us the good old Biblical Family Values of incest, rape, and murder.

      • michelle
        September 7, 2015, 2:10 am

        .
        dear RoHa
        i feel Blessed each day
        i hope you do too
        m
        .
        i always seek Truth
        all that is good or hopes/strives for good seeks Truth
        .
        in all storys i look for the other pov(s) (fly on the wall)
        the husband had the power how he employed it was his choice
        the wife was subject to her husbands will
        the mother was cast out the child went with her
        .
        thus far this is my view of this story (my view changes with each tick of time)
        i welcome differing views they help my effort to increase my own
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • RoHa
        September 7, 2015, 4:03 am

        “the husband had the power how he employed it was his choice the wife was subject to her husbands will”

        The story of Abraham makes it clear he was a pretty gutless type, and it so looks to me as though he was subject to his wife’s will.

        But rather than continue debating this ancient bit of fiction, I would rather see you explain your Christian views to the Christian who wrote this post. Could you do that for us, please?

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/americans-support-israel#comment-795065

      • michelle
        September 7, 2015, 1:50 pm

        .
        hello RoHa
        another lovely day
        we are Blessed
        m
        .
        if he was subject to the will of his wife it was by his choice being as he was the one with the power
        might be his ‘nagging’ about no heirs caused her to encourage him to produce children another way …. or ….
        .
        is this the post;
        A. Davies Sept. 7th
        if so the poster thus far seems to be a one hit wonder and a would be leader/speaker
        the content of the post is another ‘hail Israel’
        .
        people who seek Truth must be watchful of lies
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

  7. HarryLaw
    August 28, 2015, 4:04 pm

    This is unbelievable from Danon, he is showing an utter contempt for the United States [biting the hand that feeds it] displaying an attitude that Israel does not care what the world, including the US thinks. Does he think those Israeli nuclear weapons will so cower the world that the world will stay silent when Israel commits egregious war crimes on a grand scale? I agree with oldgeezer, Danny a great choice.

    • pabelmont
      August 29, 2015, 9:03 am

      Those Israeli nukes can target (or attack) the USA. Some of Israel’s hold on the USA might arise from that perception — especially if the perception is backed up by what is taken to be knowledge that Israel has in fact put some nukes “in place” in the USA. (My favorite spot for them is in roof-top machinery on tall buildings in Manhattan, just across the river from where I live in Brooklyn. Also pretty close to some pretty big Hassidic neighborhoods.)

      All speculation, of course, but can you imagine Israeli military planners not thinking of doing this? Or being unable to do it what with the special relationship? Why imagine that the traffic in nuclear materials between USA and Israel was one-way?

      • CigarGod
        August 29, 2015, 9:34 am

        I think you are correct. Seems he is openly defining Israel as a stand alone super/nuke power. In some ways, Israel resembles a Jewish Russia. You already made the obvious China link. He also seems to be openly leveraging the U.S. right…against us.
        Quite a move.

      • CigarGod
        August 29, 2015, 9:38 am

        Blow up the money center?
        I cant see it. But I can see a demonstration in a lesser city…at least in the minds of planners.

    • Marnie
      August 30, 2015, 12:14 am

      I don’t think Israeli contempt for the United States is anything new, it’s just become much more obvious.

  8. echinococcus
    August 28, 2015, 4:48 pm

    The “utter contempt for the United States [biting the hand that feeds it] displaying an attitude that Israel does not care what the world, including the US thinks” as you so well say only means that the Zionist leadership firmly believes that they are the owners of the US, lock stock and barrel. Not the politicians themselves, of course, but their US daddies.
    Most of the visible signs suggest that they are right and their confidence remains justified.
    Perhaps the currently irrelevant “liberal zionist” politicians remain more insecure and as a result more hypocritical because they are not directly in contact with the centers of power.

    • Abu Malia
      August 31, 2015, 4:46 pm

      @echinococcus: I believe what you say in your comment is correct. My take on this is similar to yours. It isn’t ungratefulness if you believe what you’re taking belongs to you in the first place. They have a sense of ownership (of the US) that is, frankly, not too far off the mark.

      But, I think there is another element to this over the top arrogance too often on display within the zionist ranks; it is a confident believe that American’s can’t do a thing about it. Remember Sharon’s “we run America and the Americans know it” I’m paraphrasing of course.

      Their tentacles are deep and Jewish grip on the most important American institutions is firm and complete- the Media, finance and banking, hollywood and music/entertainment, academia, major publishing houses etc. LIke you say, their confidence appears justified.

  9. yonah fredman
    August 28, 2015, 5:00 pm

    “half the people can’t vote because of their ethnicity”. a stretch to say the least. gaza is occupied but they have a vote in their occupied government. Palestinian Israelis vote in Israeli elections. Only the Palestinians in the west bank can’t vote because of their ethnicity. And meanwhile the PLO and Hamas have not endorsed the one state idea that mw and the washington post have endorsed.

    • Kathleen
      August 29, 2015, 1:09 pm

      If there are around 4 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza …Palestine. And 2,100,000 can not vote who live in West Bank. That would be half not being able to vote

      • yonah fredman
        August 29, 2015, 1:32 pm

        Kathleen- No, that’s not what Phil said. He said that half the people cannot vote. are we going to play reading comprehension games here?

      • zaid
        August 29, 2015, 3:12 pm

        Kathleen

        2.8 million in WB no 2.1

    • Sibiriak
      August 29, 2015, 1:28 pm

      yonah fredman: gaza is occupied but they have a vote in their occupied government.
      ————————

      The point is: Gazans don’t have the right to vote as citizens in a sovereign state.

    • echinococcus
      August 29, 2015, 2:23 pm

      Mr Fredman,

      “gaza is occupied but they have a vote in their occupied government”

      You think that people are all morons, don’t you? No other explanation for this kind of stuff.

      • yonah fredman
        August 29, 2015, 3:32 pm

        echinococcus- In regards to the west bank, where travel between the west bank and israel and the conduct of Israel’s army is such that the green line dividing Israel and the west bank is artificial, the claim that the west bank palestinians should be granted citizenship and vote in israeli elections makes sense (despite the fact that the leadership of the Palestinians would oppose such a move, still there is a logical claim: “why not give them the vote,” when you make no difference between israel and the west bank for most other aspects. there is sense there.) in regards to gaza the siege that Israel has in place against gaza is not sufficient for us to consider that the only steps that need to be taken is merely giving the Palestinians in gaza the vote in israel. there is a very real difference between the state of affairs in gaza and in the west bank and to include them together makes legal sense because the UN recognizes them as part of the same territory, but the practical question: give them the vote in Israel makes very little sense in regards to gaza while it makes a certain type of pure sense in regards to the west bank. pretending that gaza = the west bank is moronic.

      • echinococcus
        August 29, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Mr Fredman,

        You now show that you really think I’m even more retarded than the average reader, whom you evidently already consider a moron.
        Not to put too fine a point on it, even for someone who recognizes any legitimacy to the Zionist entity and tries to ignore the illegal packing of the country with illegal, racially selected immigrants, then having a vote only applies in strictly equal conditions, with no discrimination in law or practice, and on the entire territory controlled by the state in question. Comedy votes for West Bank or Gaza are as much “the Vote” as the Sleepy Hollow Parks Commission election. Any other unqualified statement to the effect that this or that area of Palestine “votes” is pure propaganda. But then, what do I know, us morons have only linear logic.
        Anyway, personally I can’t say I approve universal voting: Zionist invaders shouldn’t have any say anywhere in Palestine until their status is decided by the entire Palestinian people.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 29, 2015, 3:37 pm

      yonah, you forget hamas was also elected in the WB. here are the election results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006#Results
      you forget within months of the election “Israel had arrested 49 senior Hamas officials, all from the West Bank, including 33 parliamentarians”

      israel didn’t like the election results, so they tipped the balance. please don’t tell me palestinians get to vote for their elected leaders. everytime they are plan an election israel throws a fit. besides, people living under occupation having a vote is like voting on your preferred warden in a prison. whooppee!

      • yonah fredman
        August 29, 2015, 4:31 pm

        annie- I did not include elections on the west bank as real elections. you raised the topic in order to discredit what i have said regarding gaza. Gaza is considered occupied because it is under siege. but the most logical path from gaza to representative government involves ending the siege and not giving the Gazans the vote in Israel. on the west bank the occupation is complete: not a siege, not merely a military occupation, but a settler occupation.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 29, 2015, 4:59 pm

        you raised the topic in order to discredit what i have said regarding gaza.

        your entire comment is worthy of discrediting. but i didn’t make my comment because of what you said about gaza, i made it because of this:

        gaza is occupied but they have a vote in their occupied government. Palestinian Israelis vote in Israeli elections. Only the Palestinians in the west bank can’t vote because of their ethnicity.

        i comment address what i bolded. Palestinians in the west bank voted, just like gazans. they voted for hamas.

        the practical question: give them the vote in Israel makes very little sense in regards to gaza while it makes a certain type of pure sense in regards to the west bank. pretending that gaza = the west bank is moronic.

        what’s moronic is thinking the division of palestine is “practical” for palestinians. no one here is pretending gaza “equals” the west bank, so i don’t even know why you are addressing it. i suppose just to be able to elude to an idea we are moronic. is that it? gaza and the west bank are (obviously) equally palestinian. they will remain equally palestinian.

        i have no idea what your point is here yonah. it sounds like a bunch of gobbldy gook.

      • yonah fredman
        August 29, 2015, 5:30 pm

        annie- the original statement by phil: half the people can’t vote because of their ethnicity is not an overstatement: it is a lie. Palestinian Israelis can vote. There’s no way you can get to half the people can’t vote because of their ethnicity without counting Palestinian israelis and thus the lie by Phil Weiss. Period. not gobbledy gook- rather a pure lie.

        now i raised the topic of Gaza. the problem for the people of gaza is not their lack of a vote, it is the fact that their territory is under siege (plus they do not merely want the end of the siege on gaza they want the end of the occupation of the west bank.) thus to focus on “they are deprived of their right to vote because of their ethnicity” is not an absolute falsehood, but is in fact besides the point. they do not want the vote in israel. they want the end of the siege and political satisfaction in regards to the west bank and the original nakba. to label this as a deprivation of the right to vote is the simplistic statement of a propagandist.

        even though the political parties that represent the palestinians- hamas and fatah are not in favor of solving the conflict by annexation and giving them the vote in israel, but despite their political stance, because of the nature of the occupation on the west bank, there is validity to say, “give them the vote” but in regards to the nature of the occupation of gaza, the validity of this statement is propaganda, but not its proximity to reality.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 29, 2015, 6:30 pm

        yonah, i heard you the friggin first time. i’ve argued enough in my day with people who’s intent is to convince me and anyone who will listen that it’s ‘practical’ or it has ‘validity’ to frame an argument or conversation around dividing palestininas
        good bye. not biting.

      • Kathleen
        August 29, 2015, 7:19 pm

        I should have been more clear when I was referencing the vote in the West Bank by saying Palestinians are not able to vote in the elections of Israel who occupies and in more ways than one controls the West Bank and the Gaza.

      • Kathleen
        August 29, 2015, 7:24 pm

        Carter pleaded with the U.S. Congress not to punish Palestinians after that election for Hamas. Soon after Ros Lehtinen and I think Lantos (was still alive then I believe) put together the Anti Palestinian legislation to punish and isolate.

      • Sibiriak
        August 30, 2015, 12:37 am

        Yonah: Gaza is considered occupied because it is under siege. but the most logical path from gaza to representative government involves ending the siege and not giving the Gazans the vote in Israel.
        ————————–

        If the siege ended, Gazans would still not have the right to vote as citizens in a sovereign state.

        Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza do not have the right to vote as citizensin a sovereign state –whether that be in Palestine or Israel–precisely because of their ethnicity.

        Israel has prevented BOTH options: they have prevented WB/Gaza/refugee Palestinians from becoming citizens of a sovereign Palestine next to Israel, and they have prevented them from becoming citizens in Israel. Because of their ethnicity.

      • Sibiriak
        August 30, 2015, 7:51 am

        yonah fredman: but the most logical path from gaza to representative government involves ending the siege
        —————————

        The flaw in your argument is: ending the siege, by itself, is NOT a path to representative government in a sovereign state .

        End the siege and Gaza would still be a Bantustan . Having the vote in a Bantustan is still political oppression, still a form of apartheid. Having the vote in a Bantustan is still a form of statelessness in no way comparable to having a vote in a full-fledged state.

    • pabelmont
      August 30, 2015, 7:47 am

      Phil may have ignored that people in Gaza and West Bank and East Jerusalem can vote in elections of, for example, their bridge, ma-jong, and trik-trak clubs, labor unions, for Gaza or West Bank (or PA) (or PLO) but not in the elections of the ONE government that most overwhelmingly rules their lives. In Israel’s apartheid system, the Israeli-citizen (read: Jewish) settlers in East Jerusalem or Hebron, etc, etc., can vote in Israeli governmental elections (are Israeli Arabs allowed to live there?) but their non-Israeli-citizen neighbors (read: Palestinians) cannot. It is the citizenship (or who-can-vote) law. as only one example of Israeli law, that makes the difference and which establishes the apartheit system.

  10. yonah fredman
    August 28, 2015, 5:04 pm

    Danon is correct regarding 1967. If LBJ had committed the US to running the blockade of the Straits of Tiran that war could have been avoided. The US was too busy with Viet Nam.

    Regarding the Yom Kippur War in ’73, Kissinger’s advice delayed Israel’s actions by a matter of hours and Israel’s initial losses of aircrafts to guided missiles indicates that the few hours head start given to Egypt and Syria would not have made a difference in the first few days of the war. Meir and Dayan blew it in the days preceding and Kissinger’s advice was only a question of a few hours that would not have made an essential difference.

    • echinococcus
      August 29, 2015, 2:28 pm

      Mr Fredman,

      “If LBJ had committed the US to running the blockade of the Straits of Tiran that war could have been avoided.”

      Meaning the US would have started a major war of aggression instead of the Zionist entity with full US support.

      You really think the reader is retarded.

      • Mooser
        September 1, 2015, 11:42 am

        “You really think the reader is retarded.”

        Now, now, is that really fair to say? After all, “Yonah” doesn’t know “the reader”. In fact, the only reader he knows is “Yonah”, and I’m sure he writes just for him.

    • Shingo
      August 29, 2015, 3:43 pm

      . If LBJ had committed the US to running the blockade of the Straits of Tiran that war could have been avoided

      Yeah right. That would explain the attack on the USS Liberty.

    • inbound39
      August 29, 2015, 8:29 pm

      Yonah…..why is it Israel always expects America to fight its battles…illegal battles at that. If you read Dayan’s Diaries he states clearly every war Israel has been involved in has been deliberate by Israel for territorial gains. Israel has never ceased its illegitimate efforts to take all of Palestine and dispossess the Palestinians. In these days of millions of refugees it is high time nations around the World placed sanctions on countries creating the refugee problem. Israel since before its Sovereignty has created millions of Palestinian refugees by pursuing its illegal expansionist policies. Israel was given full UN membership under the proviso that it would implement Resolution 194. It has never done so. On that basis it is overdue that Israel was suspended from the UN as a full member until it implements Resolution 194. Israel has NO LEGAL RIGHT to expel Palestinians from their land. Israel cannot impose its religious beliefs on another people. It has no legitimacy whatsoever.

  11. traintosiberia
    August 28, 2015, 6:37 pm

    God is always on the side of the fanatics . ISIS or RSS or Monks in Iraq,India or Mynamar claim the same and confirm same exclusive right to the land .
    The differences are in the level of western involvement
    Israel is supported and praised ,ISIS is supported but denounced,RSS is dealt in pure businesslike while the monks are simply desired to be disappeared .

  12. CDWard
    August 28, 2015, 11:24 pm

    His belief in a God which does not exist is the lie in which he lingers.

  13. dx
    August 29, 2015, 12:20 am

    Mr. Danon would do well to remember that the Lord giveth, and the the Lord taketh away. So, I guess, good luck with that.

  14. RoHa
    August 29, 2015, 12:44 am

    Danon quotes a book written by Jews to claim that God supports Israel. Has God confirmed elsewhere that he did indeed say the things attributed to him? If not, it would be helpful if he could pop in to the UN in person to back up Danon.

    • eljay
      August 30, 2015, 8:55 am

      || RoHa: Danon quotes a book written by Jews to claim that God supports Israel. Has God confirmed elsewhere that he did indeed say the things attributed to him? … ||

      I’m pretty sure God has confirmed it with most – if not all – Zio-supremacists. Since they will no doubt vouch for Him, God can stay Home and enjoy lounging around in his Captain Israel outfit.

  15. bryan
    August 29, 2015, 2:43 am

    If God is on Israel’s side you might have expected the Israelis to be on God’s side.

    • pabelmont
      August 29, 2015, 9:14 am

      Bryan: No, it is like the USA-Israel special relationship — one-way. Israel on the take.

      I know little about the Bible but have always imagined that God promised to give (not “gave”) some land in the Middle East (“Zion”) to Israel CONDITIONALLY PROVIDED they behaved themselves and that God took away either the promise or the tentative “giving” upon some malfeasance by the Jews. If this is a common reading, you’d expect Israel to be very careful to do God’s will (unlike how careless it is to look after USA’s interests).

      Also, I have come to believe (have “learned”) that it was always (at least for two thousand years or so) a strong point of orthodox Jewish belief that the return of the Jews to Zion was a matter for God to arrange — and that to such an extent that mankind (Jews) were forbidden to do anything to bring about such a return, even forbidden to pray for it. And to this day, many orthodox refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the so-called Jewish state of Israel. If there is any truth to this, then Israel (the creation originally by Godless socialists) is an atrocity and cannot do God’s will other than by self-destruction.

      All a bit confusing. Maybe Mr. Danon, noted Bible scholar, will shed some light on these points.

      • Marnie
        August 30, 2015, 12:58 am

        Yep.

    • traintosiberia
      August 29, 2015, 11:02 am

      Israel means one who wrestles with God.
      Glick has said that Israel wouldn’t let go of angel until Angel agreed to him.

  16. Citizen
    August 29, 2015, 6:13 am

    I think Danon expresses his honest view of world history. If you find it a bit lop-sided, he’s not concerned. That he’s the new Israeli ambassador to UN is very interesting. Wasn’t it the UN that legitimized Israel (after the two competing superpowers’ leaders of that time rushed to see who’d unilaterally recognize the new self-declared state first)?

    • James Michie
      August 29, 2015, 9:38 am

      I’ll state it again for your benefit, “Citizen”: Josef Goebbels would be extremely “proud” of this Fascist!

      • Citizen
        August 30, 2015, 8:36 am

        I completely agree. Himmler even more so.

  17. James Michie
    August 29, 2015, 9:36 am

    Josef Goebbels would be extremely “proud” of this Fascist!

    • inbound39
      August 29, 2015, 8:33 pm

      Yes…not much difference between the National Socialist Government of Germany in 1939 and the present day Right Wing Government of Israel. It is a murderous Supremacist Government that should be stamped out just as the Nazi’s were.

  18. just
    August 29, 2015, 9:38 am

    ““Like all families, sometimes there are going to be disagreements,” Obama said in a webcast for Jewish Americans. “And sometimes people get angrier about disagreements in families than with folks that aren’t family.”

    “I would suggest that in terms of the tone of this debate everybody keep in mind that we’re all pro-Israel…”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/barack-obama-israel-iran-nuclear-deal-tensions#comment-58411031

    Why a webcast for Jewish Americans only? Why not an American Christian, Roman Catholic, Wiccan, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, Native American religion(s), Voodoo, Buddhist, etc. and a Jewish one? Let all Americans be addressed.

    How is the USA a democracy when the President of the US addresses ~ or <2% of the population? Millions protested the Vietnam, Afghan, and Iraq wars. Nobody, especially the sitting Presidents, acknowledged these Americans who tried to stop them from doing insane things that caused horrible deaths to millions then and mayhem right now.

    We're not all "family" and we're not all "pro-Israel".

    I am pro justice and peace. Israel is not, and never has been.

    Long live Palestine and every Palestinian. Wake up.

    • inbound39
      August 29, 2015, 8:58 pm

      I agree with you entirely “Just’…..nothing about Israel past or present reflects my interpretation of Family. Like you,I am pro justice and pro peace. Obama and in fact any American claiming Israel as “family” is clearly displaying it supports a regime no better than ISIS,Saddam Hussein, Khmer Rouge,Pol Pot and even Adolf himself. The damage this “special” relationship with Israel has had on America and its people is going to have a lasting effect. The general public in most countries around the World despise Israel because of its policies and murderous ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and land theft. World Leaders like Obama,Merkel,Cameron and the snake like Blair are despised for their perpetual defence of Israel committing the indefensible. American people are placed under threat by its government supplying weaponry to Israel with which it prosecutes the occupation of Palestine and murders its people. Merkel gives Israel submarines and now fast patrol boats which will be used to kill Palestinian Fishermen. David Cameron supplies Israel with drone parts etc for killing Palestinians and Blair tries behind the scenes to divide Hamas and Fatah so that Gaza becomes its own State and Palestine becomes smaller. The American Government can no longer hide what it is doing. It is complicit in every war crime Israel commits. America has become as morally lacking as Israel….something I never thought I would live to see.

  19. traintosiberia
    August 29, 2015, 10:54 am

    G Pompidou , French president was physically threatened and shunned by Jewish groups in Chicago and NY because he sold arms to Libya.Mayor and Governor joined the shunning presaging similar behaviors by government officials later against Arafat and Khameni and Ahmednezad . Despite rai ate concerns and indignation at the power of Israel exerted through the Lobby,Nixon did not pressure Israel and both LBJ and Nixon sent advanced weapons. This gave rise to the views in Israel and within the lobby : Israel could ignore international opinion. American embassy alarmed at the findings that Israelis had concluded ” US sees ME their way ” conveyed the impressions to the administration . Israelis possibly were more than confident when Roger Plan for OT and refugees were abandoned by Nixon.
    Page 304 QUICKSAND by G Wwaro

    Now Israel confident with the arsenal ,it have accumulated from German and US and the links it has established with Asian countries ,can definitely cushion it from loss of pivotal western support.
    That can happen if Israel becomes a normal country . A normal country take it losses,cut or losses,and compromise. It accepts the ideas of balance of power,negotiation,and accountability for actions. Who will come to its rescue if tomorrow Iraq or Yemen or Libya or Egypt develop Nuclear weapon? Who will allow it to occupy Lebanon again or continue to occupy Golan without compromises?
    Israel will change but wasn’t that the whole purpose of neighboring Arabs- Change and we will accept you.
    There might be a madness in this plot . May be seeing the eventual disruption of special relationship , Israel planned for the dissolution of the unfriendly countries in Middle East . Now the job is done ,it can forsake any claim or pretension of special relationship. But this Israel will be just another country in ME among many .Will India buy weapons to sale its own weapons to Arab? Will Arab hedge India against China?
    To navigate the myriad complexities, Israel has to depend on itself and hard work so that it can remain a source of technologies,food,arms,and tourism . It can’t depend on Western one track divinely inspired talking points or abstract concepts of freedom or conscience .
    Can it do?

  20. Kathleen
    August 29, 2015, 12:07 pm

    What comes out of Danon’s mouth sounds pathological. He has the look of a psychopath.

  21. traintosiberia
    August 29, 2015, 12:36 pm

    In 20 th century it was Zionist IMHO introduced the religion in politics . In India of Raj, it was Hindu fundamentalist and later Ghandhi who introduced religion in the politics.
    Now every does so. It also seems some countries claim legitimacy only from the religion.

  22. Kathleen
    August 29, 2015, 12:59 pm

    In that Washington Post piece Barnett makes it sound like apartheid states are the norm.

    “In an odd way, then, Israel is about to become a “normal” country. Most countries in the world are not democratic and have evolved a national identity and discourse to normalize this reality. The evidence suggest that Israeli Jews are prepared to join the club.”

    Normalizing apartheid. Hmmm

    • Mooser
      August 29, 2015, 1:22 pm

      “Normalizing apartheid. Hmmm”

      All in a day’s work for WaPo.

  23. Sibiriak
    August 29, 2015, 1:19 pm

    Philip Weiss: The one-state reality is here. Even the Washington Post is acknowledging as much.
    ———————–

    The article argues that a two-state solution appears increasingly unlikely. But a single democratic state isn’t even considered a possibility. Not even a remote one.

    “So what is the alternative to the two-state solution? A non-democratic but Jewish Israel. “

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/08/25/thinking-beyond-the-two-state-solution/

    • MHughes976
      August 29, 2015, 8:07 pm

      I probably can’t bring myself to read such stuff but it just shows, if this appears even now, how the likes of us still have very little on our side within mainstream opinion. Except being right. That’ always worth something.

  24. Keith
    August 29, 2015, 3:03 pm

    DANON- “Compare the period of Nazi Germany to what is happening now in Iran and you will find many similarities….”

    If you change “Iran” to “Israel” the statement would be far more accurate, particularly in view of the Talmud thumping fundamentalist making the speech. It being understood that we are talking about pre-war Germany.

  25. Veti
    August 29, 2015, 6:03 pm

    Oh no, another Zionist who believes he has a fictitious sky God on their side. Indoctrination, sociopathic, nuts. Netanyahu picked this guy for spite?? Seriously, Israel is the Imperialist USA middle east colony. Nothing more, nothing less. A bunch of baby killing, racist, war mongers. Israel is a modern day colonization, apartheid state. #BoycottIsrael #BDS bring it to its knees.

  26. Pixel
    August 29, 2015, 7:54 pm

    Danon’s appointment is an unmitigated gift.

  27. cdes
    August 30, 2015, 5:42 am

    Ooo my, ooo my…his mother should have swallowed him at birth. This guy must have read “mein kampf” a thousand times, like a lot of zionists do!!

  28. OneThatGotAway
    August 30, 2015, 10:00 pm

    “Essential to even a basic understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures is recognition of the connection between a specific area of land and a specific people in COVENANT with God. ”

    I guess Danon did not read the conditions of God’s Covenant which resulted in the holy prophet recording the following fact in the Holy Hebrew Scriptures (2 Kings 18:12):

    “Because they [Israel] obeyed NOT the voice of Yahweh their God, but transgressed his COVENANT, [and] all that Moses the servant of Yahweh commanded, and would not hear [them], nor do [them].” —- 2 Kings 18:12

    This curse was pronounced just before God expelled Israel from Palestine into the four corners of the world! To this very DAY, Israel refuse to keep God’s covenant which is to do follow ALL of His commandments. One of God’s commandments calls for justice and equality for everyone living in Palestine; something Zionists cannot and will not adhere to. Nice try, Danny boy.

  29. Mooser
    August 31, 2015, 3:08 pm

    “Essential to even a basic understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures is recognition of the connection between a specific area of land and a specific people in COVENANT with God. ”

    Oh no, not that old antisemitic trope again. Why don’t the Moderators do something… oh, wait, sorry.

    “I guess Danon did not read the conditions….”

    Yes, that really puts the frosting on it. Maybe I’m overlooking some mitigating factor or something, but Danon seems to promulgate a classic antisemitic understanding of Judaism.

    • OneThatGotAway
      August 31, 2015, 4:32 pm

      It appears that what Danon is promoting is that the Jews and God has reconciled their differences and that they are in line with the covenant of God; however the ancient prophets told different accounts that somehow escapes the daily sermons on Shabbat.

    • Keith
      August 31, 2015, 6:04 pm

      MOOSER- “…Danon seems to promulgate a classic antisemitic understanding of Judaism.”

      Perhaps he identifies with some of the early Zionists, many of whose statements mirrored what is now claimed to be anti-Semitic tropes. Yet, have you ever heard Hophmi quote Ze’ev Jabotinsky as an example of blatant anti-Semitism?

  30. ET
    June 22, 2016, 5:29 pm

    Genesis 15:18 Covenant is Semitic Covenant
    1 Genesis 10:25 Arabs are Hebrews descended through either Joktan or Peleg
    .
    Genesis 17 addressing Abraham
    1 Genesis 10:2 Gomer Ashkenazi are descendants of Japhet
    2 Genealogical impossibility that Ashkenazi are Semitic Hebrew Pelegite Abramite Jacobites

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