Jewish American activists unfurl banner in support of BDS at the Western Wall

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Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:30 am, Jewish Americans CODEPINK activists, Ariel Gold, of Ithaca, NY and Ariel Vegosen, of Oakland, CA, unfurled a banner near the Kotel (Western Wall) reading, “American Jews support BDS.” Representing the women’s peace organization, Code Pink, the activists goal was to express Jewish opposition to the Israeli occupation of Palestine and endorse the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement as a nonviolent strategy to bring about a just peace in Palestine and Israel.

Ariel Vegosen

Ariel Vegosen

Gold and Vegosen were in Israel/Palestine for a week long CODEPINK delegation to the West Bank to participate in the Palestinian olive harvest . During their delegation, along with helping Palestinian farmers with their olive harvest, the group witnessed Israel’s apartheid system of different roads, services, and laws for different people. They experienced major restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement, the massive growth of illegal Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land, and numerous human rights abuses against Palestinians.

Israel/Palestine is currently experiencing a serious escalation of violence to which Palestinians are bearing the brunt of the casualties, injuries and arrests. From October 1 until now, Israeli forces have killed at least 78 Palestinians and injured an estimated 2,500 including unarmed protesters. At least nine Israelis have been killed. CODEPINK recognizes that the occupation is the root cause of all of the violence currently been seen in Palestine and Israel

On November 4, American Presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton reaffirmed her strong support for Israel and opposition to BDS. This week Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu is visiting the US and meeting with President Obama to request 5 billion dollars annually in aid for the next ten years, a 60% increase in US military aid to Israel. CODEPINK supports ending all military aid to Israel.

Statement by Code Pink American Jewish Activists Ariel Gold and Ariel Vergosen:

“At this moment of escalated violence in Palestine and Israel, we are here at the Kotel to pray for an end to the occupation, the root cause of the violence. As American Jews we take a stand in support of peace and justice for all people. We know that the root cause of the violence is Israel’s occupation, dispossession, and violence against the Palestinian people and that America’s financial and political support is instrumental in allowing this to continue. We support of the boycott, divestment, and sanctions as a nonviolent strategy to bring about a just peace and full equality for all people in Palestine and Israel. We call on all people to stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people and boycott Israel until Palestinians have equal rights and occupied lands are returned by Israel.”

Ariel Gold and Ariel Vegosen at the Western Wall in Jerusalem.

Ariel Gold and Ariel Vegosen at the Western Wall in Jerusalem.

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  1. CigarGod
    November 10, 2015, 9:40 am

    These guys are so %@$#…Great!

  2. eljay
    November 10, 2015, 9:44 am

    My respect to Mses. Gold and Vegosen (and to CODEPINK).

  3. pabelmont
    November 10, 2015, 11:49 am

    Gutsy! Didn’t Israel make such advocacy illegal, immoral, or fattening?

  4. samlebon2306
    November 10, 2015, 12:02 pm

    Funny, if they did the same thing in France they’d go to jail.

    • Rebekkah
      November 11, 2015, 7:15 pm

      Actually, women have gone to jail for praying at the Wall, so it’s not clear what repercussions there will be for these women.

      • RoHa
        November 11, 2015, 9:24 pm

        “Actually, women have gone to jail for praying at the Wall”

        Really? So that old whine “the Jordanians kept Jews out, but now Jews can pray at the Wall” is only half true?

      • talknic
        November 12, 2015, 12:51 am

        @ RoHa ” So that old whine “the Jordanians kept Jews out, but now Jews can pray at the Wall” is only half true?”

        The West Bank as it is now officially known, was legally annexed at the request of the majority of the legitimate residents Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in accordance with the UN Charter Chapt XI by demand of the other Arab States who were at the time UN Members.

        Israeli emergency Law of 1948 (still in force) forbade Israeli residents and citizens from entering the territory of any hostile state. Jordan was a hostile state according to Israeli law.

        Jordan reciprocated. Quite NORMAL for countries at war to forbid citizens of their enemy to enter their territory. Also quite NORMAL to intern or expel and freeze the assets of potential supporters of one’s enemies while at war. It’s also quite NORMAL after hostilities have ceased to allow their return and freedom if they have not taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return.

      • yonah fredman
        November 12, 2015, 1:02 am

        talknic- Interesting. you state: ” the west bank… was legally annexed at the request of the majority of the legitimate residents.” Was a vote taken? if not, what form did the request take?

      • RoHa
        November 12, 2015, 1:34 am

        But “Jews can now pray at the Wall” still only applies to male Jews?

      • tree
        November 19, 2015, 6:49 pm

        yonah.

        To answer your question:

        On December 1, 1948, the Jericho Conference was held (in Jericho, West Bank of course.). It was organized by the then mayor of Hebron and attended by numerous other West Bank and Jordanian officials. The attendees adopted resolutions calling for the annexation and unification of the East and West Banks. Jordan gave citizenship and voting rights to all Palestinian refugees as well as those Palestinians residing in the West Bank. They were all allowed to vote in the new Jordanian Parliamentary Elections on April 11, 1950, with half of the 60 seats allotted to the West Bank. On April 24, 1950, the newly elected Parliament voted unanimously to unite the two banks under Jordanian sovereignty.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_Conference

        http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_palestine.html#Unification of the Two Banks

  5. hophmi
    November 10, 2015, 12:06 pm

    Just curious; can I walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and unfurl a banner that I’m praying for an end to suicide bombings, stabbings, ISIS, and discrimination against women in Muslim countries?

    • John O
      November 10, 2015, 12:44 pm

      Try it, and report back to us afterwards.

    • CigarGod
      November 10, 2015, 12:46 pm

      Go ahead, I’m not stopping you…that’s one…

    • Elliot
      November 10, 2015, 12:56 pm

      The Israeli government regularly disrupts all the Western Wall plaza to swear in the combat troops that are right now enforcing the occupation. Once a year, they close down the entire site honor the memory of those soldiers who died in its military operations.

      What these brave gals did was not in any way disruptive but it was wickedly subversive. If a synagogue is more than a house of worship, you gotta let both teams have a chance.

      As you can see in these images,at these swearing in ceremonies at the Western Wall, the soldiers are handed their Bibles and the rifles.

      https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1173&bih=608&q=%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%AA+%D7%97%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D+%D7%91%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%9C&oq=%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%AA+%D7%97%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D+%D7%91%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%9C&gs_l=img.3…0.0.1.222379.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1ac..64.img..12.6.574.F9lw7ti6m8M#imgrc=043uds91DeL-bM%3A

      http://www.thekotel.org/today/Event.asp?EventId=3484&CatId=4&all=1

    • echinococcus
      November 10, 2015, 1:07 pm

      Hophmi again, eh? Suggesting but not stating, in his slithery way, that mosques are places that support “suicide bombings, stabbings, ISIS, and discrimination against women”, as if mosques were Zionist venues, where non-suicidal cowardly mass bombings, assassination, JSIS and Haredi mysogyny are necessarily and strongly supported.

      • miriam6
        November 12, 2015, 9:31 am

        @echinococcus

        as if mosques were Zionist venues

        The Western wall is not a ‘Zionist’ venue as you imply

        The Western Wall is a site that transcends Zionism.

        It is a site which is and has been for thousands of years a site of great religious significance to Jews

        Codepink chose to invade and desecrate Judaism’s holiest site.

        I doubt you would condone a similar invasion of a Christian or Muslim holy site.

        But invading a place of worship that is holy to Jews is fair game to you.

        Shame on Code Pink and the hypocrites on this thread that support them

      • CigarGod
        November 12, 2015, 1:38 pm

        I had assumed you were Jewish.
        Just so you know…
        The Temple Mount is considered the most holy.

      • talknic
        November 12, 2015, 6:58 pm

        @ miriam6

        “Codepink chose to invade and desecrate Judaism’s holiest site”

        No mention of Judaism in their message

        “I doubt you would condone a similar invasion of a Christian or Muslim holy site.”

        Right wing Israeli Jews and the IDF invade Muslim holy sites quite regularly, guns, firebombs, missiles, boots and all

      • echinococcus
        November 12, 2015, 10:20 pm

        Mariam,
        Holy schmoly. Who the hell cares about subjective nonsense? All of Jerusalem is a Corpus Separatum under UN law, i.e. Zionist entity presence there is a crime of aggression recognized even by those criminal governments who approved the illegal invasion of the rest of Palestine. So kindly hold all your nonsense preach for fanatics of your own ilk and shoo. Get out pdq.

    • eljay
      November 10, 2015, 1:36 pm

      || hophmi: Just curious; can I walk into a mosque … ||

      If you were Muslim, the analogy you’re attempting to make might have made sense. But you’re not, so it didn’t.

      The two women from CODEPINK are Jewish. Do you hate them because they’re women or because they’re the “wrong kind” of Jews?

      • hophmi
        November 10, 2015, 4:31 pm

        ” Do you hate them because they’re women or because they’re the “wrong kind” of Jews?”

        I didn’t say anything about hating them. I just asked a question. It’s simple; is it OK to walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and unfurl political banners?

        “Those two gutsy , moral and humanistic ladies are what real Jews look like.”

        You don’t get to tell others what “real Jews” look like.

      • amigo
        November 10, 2015, 5:21 pm

        “You don’t get to tell others what “real Jews” look like.” hopknee

        Who says.The King of the Jews.

        So tell us hoppy / Grover, are the Jews in the following video , real Jews . Just want to allow you the opportunity to influence our opinion before we make some antisemitic unilateral decision about the chosen people.

      • eljay
        November 10, 2015, 6:39 pm

        || hophmi: I didn’t say anything about hating them. I just asked a question. It’s simple; is it OK to walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and unfurl political banners? ||

        That’s not the question you asked. But here’s my answer: I don’t know.

        But why does it matter? You seem to believe that Islam and Muslims are intolerant, and yet you keep insisting that your “Jewish State” – a “moral beacon” on this earth – should look to them for guidance and follow their examples.

        Why is that? What is it that prevents you from striving to be as good as the best in this world, rather that little to no better than the religion and the people you despise?

        || You don’t get to tell others what “real Jews” look like. ||

        Where, exactly, did I tell anyone what “real Jews” look like?

      • Marnie
        November 10, 2015, 11:46 pm

        @eljay

        “If you were Muslim, the analogy you’re attempting to make might have made sense. But you’re not, so it didn’t.”

        What a perfect reply to the nonsensical jargon posited by the numerous hasbarists toward anything antizionist. Their constant prattle consisting of nothing but obfuscation and false equivalences has always frustrated me because I couldn’t express myself except with outrage. Thank you for your excellent response.

      • talknic
        November 12, 2015, 7:02 pm

        hophmi

        “You don’t get to tell others what “real Jews” look like.”

        Their message did. Would a real Jew want to be occupied? http://www.simpletoremember.com/jewish/blog/loving-thy-neighbor-judaism/

    • amigo
      November 10, 2015, 1:36 pm

      there you go hopknee.

      Those two gutsy , moral and humanistic ladies are what real Jews look like.

      Look and cringe hopknee .You will never be anything but a zionist.You will go to your death a sour hateful zionist whose dreams never materialized and those two will die comfortable in the knowledge , that they tried to do the right thing.

      • Steve Grover
        November 10, 2015, 2:02 pm

        ROTLMAO! Amigo is telling the MW peeps what a good Jew looks like! Blah haaaa!

      • CigarGod
        November 10, 2015, 4:13 pm

        It’s easy to tell a good Jew from a bad one, Steve.
        We’re not the one’s justifying occupation and violence against Palestinians. We’re the ones out protesting against it.
        There you go, Steve. Now you know what kind of Jew you are.

      • Mooser
        November 10, 2015, 4:07 pm

        “Amigo is telling the MW peeps what a good Jew looks like! Blah haaaa!”

        Well, since you seem to know, “Steve Grover”, why don’t you tell us “what a good Jew looks like”.

    • for-peace
      November 10, 2015, 3:44 pm

      By all means, try that, like these brave women did, rather than shooting missiles and bombs.. That would be a very welcome evolution in the approach towards Muslims..

    • Elliot
      November 10, 2015, 4:48 pm

      Just curious: can I walk into a shul bearing a weapon and hold a ceremony in which I pledge to kill, humiliate, terrorize against men, women and children without discrimination in the Occupied Territories?
      Coz that’s how Israel uses the Western Wall.

      These two women have nice Jewish names, don’t you think?
      The two Ariels brought dignity back to the Western Wall.

      • CigarGod
        November 10, 2015, 4:53 pm

        For some reason…I don’t think the rocks care what anyone does.

    • oldgeezer
      November 10, 2015, 5:19 pm

      @hophmi
      “Just curious; can I walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and unfurl a banner that I’m praying for an end to suicide bombings, stabbings, ISIS, and discrimination against women in Muslim countries? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/american-activists-western#comment-808961

      Of course you can. Just use the standard zionist technique hops.
      First lob in some tear gas and stun grenades and then bring in dozens, hundreds or even a thousand heavily armed thugs to beat the crap out of anyone who hasn’t vacated the space. You just take it over when you feel like it and you can do what you want.

      What do you think Israel is doing on a daily basis on nonIsraeli territory in Jerusalem?

      I’ll grant you leaving your shoes on is inappropriate and not immodest. What bothers you the most? Bare shoulders? Tightness of the pants? Their faces showing? Maybe the latter considering how often the idf thugs feel the need to hide behind masks.

      A tip of the hat to these courageous ladies.

      • amigo
        November 10, 2015, 5:34 pm

        Well said OG.

        That should send hoppy back to the drinks cabinet to “re load ” .,

    • talknic
      November 10, 2015, 7:26 pm

      @ hophmi ‘Just curious; can I walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and …”

      Nope, doesn’t matter what you want to do. BTW neither of the Code Pink women are immodestly dressed by any standard for a public place in a modern democracy

    • ckg
      November 11, 2015, 10:56 am

      Hophmi : … can I walk into a mosque immodestly dressed and unfurl a banner that I’m praying for an end to suicide bombings, stabbings, ISIS, and discrimination against women in Muslim countries?

      You should ask permission of the owners of the private property instead of trespassing.

    • Boo
      November 11, 2015, 3:22 pm

      These women didn’t “walk into” anywhere. They were right out there under God’s blue sky. And God was beaming down at them. Immodestly dressed? God created them nekkid. Why should She care how they were dressed?

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2015, 5:48 pm

        “God created them nekkid.”

        And perfect, too. No extra pieces.

    • Rebekkah
      November 11, 2015, 7:17 pm

      These were two Jewish women. I daresay it would have been different if they were Palestinian women. And we don’t actually know that they have emerged unscathed. Could be they’ll never be let into the country again. Could be they’ll be picked up and questioned.

  6. kalithea
    November 10, 2015, 12:24 pm

    Ballsy and creative!

    I hate to use a phrase borrowed from that spineless Obama, but this is what the audacity of hope really looks like.

  7. just
    November 11, 2015, 5:27 am

    Nicely done! I’d love to see this action grow by leaps and bounds.

    More flagrant discriminaton:

    “UK decision to refuse Gaza medical experts from joining Kingston University conference condemned by campaigners …

    A decision by Britain to refuse a group of Palestinian medical experts from Gaza permission to participate in an international conference at Kingston University on trauma in war zones has been condemned by campaigners.

    Three doctors and a nurse who work for the Ministry of Healthin Gaza, and were due to give presentations at the conference taking place this weekend, have had their visa requests refused by British authorities.

    In addition to the four mental health specialists refused entry, Dr Nahida Al-Arja, a psychologist from Bethlehem University, has had her visa application rejected.

    A letter by the UK Palestine Mental Health Network, co-organisers of the conference, published in the Independent, says: “It is beyond our comprehension how such an interference with intellectual and clinical discussion on such an important topic could be justified. This is a measure that further isolates clinicians from Gaza, already struggling under the impact of military assaults and siege,”

    It adds: “We urge the UK authorities to reverse this decision immediately, and to resolve to nurture, rather than undermine, urgently needed psycho-social support services for the people of Gaza.”

    And Dr Mohamed Altawil, director, Palestine Trauma Centre (PTC), and one of the conference’s co-organisers, said: “This refusal is completely unjustified and a direct abuse of basic human rights. Neither will it help peace and conflict resolution in the area.”

    He added: “The people from Gaza were being sponsored by the World Health Organization to come to the UK. The British consulate in Amman refused them because they thought if they arrived in London, they might not go back to Gaza. Another reason, they said that they do not have sufficient finances. They mentioned in the refusal that they do not have right to appeal.”

    In the case of Dr Al-Arja, it is understood that the forms were incomplete.

    David Harrold, chair of the PTC’s board of trustees, commented: “This is an international conference that has speakers from the UK, the US, Italy, Finland – and from Israel. The British authorities, by making this decision to exclude Palestinian psychologists from attending, are showing a prejudice and discrimination that the conference organisers have clearly avoided. They should reverse this shameful refusal of visas immediately.”

    The concerns were echoed by Tony Laurance, chief executive of Medical Aid for Palestinians, who said: “It is vital that Britain supports Palestinian clinicians in accessing this kind of training in view of their isolation and lack of training opportunities.” …”

    more @ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-decision-to-refuse-gaza-medical-experts-from-joining-kingston-university-conference-condemned-by-a6727576.html

    I guess hearing/seeing the truth is too much for their delicate sensibilities! Especially since they contributed to the massive trauma …

  8. just
    November 11, 2015, 5:40 am

    Woo- hoo!!! More, please.

    “European Commission Adopts Guidelines for Labeling Products From Israeli Settlements

    EU Ambassador to Israel Lars Faaborg-Andersen was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem to be reprimanded over the decision.

    … The decision adopted Wednesday is a result of three years of administrative work and discussion at the European Union institutions. During this time, the EU has repeatedly warned Israel over possible consequences of continued construction in the settlements. …”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.685428

    “Summoned” and “reprimanded”?

    • Kay24
      November 11, 2015, 7:06 am

      Great news. There is no chance in heck that the US will follow such an appropriate move, in fact the zionists may start whining about it, and Congress may compensate them for getting wounded.
      The European people are much more conscious about the plight of the Palestinians, so unlike the US it should make some impact over there. No illegal settler should make money from their illegal places of business. Great move Europe.

      An interesting perspective from Juan Cole:

      “The initial economic impact of this move will be slight. According to the Yahoo article linked above, the squatter economy, based on stealing Palestinian land and resources and suppressing Palestinian economic activity, comes to $200 – $300 million a year, and about a third of it goes to the EU, i.e. $70 – $100 million a year. Europeans are likely to cut back such buying by 50% for a loss of up to $50 million. That seems minor given Israeli trade with Europe is $30 bn. a year. But it is actually a big deal.
      First of all, a loss of 1/6 to 1/4 of trade would put a damper of squatter commerce.
      http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/labeling-squatter-economy.html

    • Bumblebye
      November 11, 2015, 10:53 am

      Listening to bbc world service newshour (2 – 3pm) was delighted to hear Razia Iqbal demolish His Excellent Whininess David Waltzer(sp?), Israeli ambassador to EU. What about China/Tibet! We’re being singled out! Don’t deflect, whole world considers it occupation. Etc. Was good to hear.
      edit – it’s available as a podcast. Just after halfway in.

  9. Ossinev
    November 11, 2015, 6:45 am

    @amigo
    “So tell us hoppy / Grover, are the Jews in the following video , real Jews . Just want to allow you the opportunity to influence our opinion before we make some antisemitic unilateral decision about the chosen people”

    Yes I think that unfortunately in today`s Israel, with less and less honorable exceptions these are the “real Jews”. That`s to say cowardly pieces of s..t Their parents must be sooooooooo proud of their heroic sons facing up to this murderous 8 year old.

    BTW What I witnessed in this video was a straight forward blatant war crime.

    BOYCOTT APARTHEID ISRAEL

    BLOCK THE ENTRY OF THESE WAR CRIMINALS INTO CIVILISED EUROPEAN COUNTRIES

  10. Jackdaw
    November 11, 2015, 7:34 am

    Politics and religion should not mix.

    • Mooser
      November 11, 2015, 11:15 am

      “Politics and religion should not mix.” “Jackdaw”

      You tell ’em, “Jackdaw”! Damn it, we may have done some almost questionable things to establish the State of Israel, The Jewish State, but mix politics and religion? NEVER!!!

    • eljay
      November 11, 2015, 11:44 am

      || Jackdaw: Politics and religion should not mix. ||

      Unless mixing them serves the interests of Zio-supremacists and the religion-supremacist “Jewish State”, eh?

      Or are you finally speaking out against Jewish supremacism and the religion-supremacist “Jewish State”?

      • Jackdaw
        November 11, 2015, 1:29 pm

        @eljay

        “are you finally speaking out against Jewish supremacism (sic) and the religion-supremacist “Jewish State”? ”

        The State of Israel, has for decades, naturalized Eastern Europeans with dubious Jewish roots. Once, settled, these newly arrived citizens are left in peace by the Israeli government ministries of religion.

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2015, 2:55 pm

        “The State of Israel, has for decades, naturalized Eastern Europeans with dubious Jewish roots. Once, settled, these newly arrived citizens are left in peace by the Israeli government ministries of religion.”

        Gee, that is damned liberal of the “Israeli government ministries of religion” to leave them in peace! Did they once have an “up-or-out” policy that secular Jews had to become Reform, and Reform had to move up to Conservative, and after that Orthodox, in a certain time frame?

        Just a quick wham-bam-thank-you-m’aam and “naturalized Eastern Europeans with dubious Jewish roots” are inflating your Jewish demographic figures, and nobody wants to ask any questions after that.
        But thanks for telling us what that whole scam is about.
        It was an evil day, was it not, “Jackdaw”, when it turned out the Zionists couldn’t just make wholesale deals with countries for the Jews who lived there, and the Zionists were reduced to begging individual Jews, and “naturalized Eastern Europeans with dubious Jewish roots” to come to Palestine? Feh, Gentiles, they always let us down.

      • CigarGod
        November 11, 2015, 3:08 pm

        Well, those ingenious and inventive Israeli’s will soon recognize and capitalize on an opportunity thats right before their eyes.
        With every new Israel citizenship they’ll give you a bunch of free tickets to the worlds biggest shooting gallery. Even the weapons are free compliments of the good old USA.
        Win Prizes! Win Trips! Win your Palestinian Merit Badge!

      • eljay
        November 11, 2015, 3:02 pm

        || Jackdaw: Politics and religion should not mix. ||

        || eljay: Or are you finally speaking out against Jewish supremacism and the religion-supremacist “Jewish State”? ||

        || Jackdaw: The State of Israel, has for decades, naturalized Eastern Europeans with dubious Jewish roots. Once, settled, these newly arrived citizens are left in peace by the Israeli government ministries of religion. ||

        I didn’t think so. Well, at least you’re consistently hateful and immoral.

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2015, 3:08 pm

        “Once, settled, these newly arrived citizens are left in peace by the Israeli government ministries of religion.”

        But don’t worry once, “settled”, the IDF and “Israeli security forces” are always on call, even if the settlers are eating pork sausage for breakfast, and not saying a single brocha

    • a blah chick
      November 11, 2015, 12:03 pm

      “Politics and religion should not mix.”

      Irony just crawled out of its grave and immolated itself.

      • Jackdaw
        November 11, 2015, 1:17 pm

        For the dullards, I will repeat myself.

        Politics and religion should not mix.

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2015, 3:01 pm

        For the dullard, I will repeat myself: If politics and religion shouldn’t mix, what, exactly, is Zionism?

        Zionism is not a mixing of politics and religion and religion and politics?

        Oh wait, I get it, Zionism isn’t a mixture! It’s something which can only be described by a Yiddish word: It’s an emulsion. Why, it’s veritably flocculent, already!

      • bryan
        November 11, 2015, 3:48 pm

        Wonderful sentiment, Jackdaw – did you manage to get through to Tel Aviv to Netanyahu to tell him that his constant references to “theJewish state” contradicted the basic principle of the separation of religion and politics? Alternatively you could argue that Jewishness has nothing to do with religion, and is all about ethnicity, but why then does Netanyahu keep bullying Americans (of the Jewish religion, or culture, or background, or whatever) to keep backing Israel?

      • Kris
        November 11, 2015, 7:27 pm

        @Jackdaw: “For the dullards, I will repeat myself: Politics and religion should not mix.”

        Maybe the problem is with the teacher, not with the students.

        When you are trying to help someone understand a concept, it is usually not effective just to repeat the lesson over again in the same way that didn’t work. It is like raising your voice and saying something LOUDER because the non-English-speaker didn’t understand you the first time.

        Are you saying that the self-proclaimed Jewish state of Israel, a political entity, has nothing to do with religion? Your meaning is not clear.

        If you are saying that “Jewish” as pertaining to the state of Israel has nothing to do with Judaism, I can agree with you whole-heartedly. I haven’t been able to find anything of Judaism in the Zionist entity, either.

      • Jackdaw
        November 12, 2015, 5:28 am

        Netanyahu to tell him that his constant references to “theJewish state”

        The Jews are a nation. Their religion is Judaism.
        The Italians are a nation. Their religion is Roman Catholicism.

      • eljay
        November 12, 2015, 10:02 am

        || Jackdaw: The Jews are a nation. Their religion is Judaism.
        The Italians are a nation. Their religion is Roman Catholicism. ||

        As it currently stands, Jewish is a religious designation held by a person:
        – who undergoes a religious conversion to Judaism; or
        – who is descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

        When will the State of Jewish start offering to all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees the bureaucratic nationality of Jewish?

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2015, 10:48 am

        “The Italians are a nation. Their religion is Roman Catholicism.”

        No, Italy contains several national groups, many ethnicity components and religions. As presently constituted, it has the assent of all of Italy’s peoples. And, come to think of it, Italy’s neighbors.

        “The Jews are a nation. Their religion is Judaism.
        The Italians are a nation. Their religion is Roman Catholicism.”

        Oh, now I see what you are getting at. The Italians mix their Italian politics, with their Roman Catholic religion. That’s no good, mixing religion and politics! Ah, but the Jewish nation, and its politics, is the same as the Jewish religion! So there is no mixing of politics and religion!
        Makes perfect sense.

      • talknic
        November 12, 2015, 6:43 pm

        @ Jackdaw “The Jews are a nation”

        American Jews, Australian Jews, Israeli Jews, Chinese Jews, Australian Aboriginal Nation Jews, Canadian Jews, German Jews …

        ” Their religion is Judaism”

        Jewish by birth but Atheist, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist by religion or lack of

        Your point seems to be to demonstrate that you have no idea of what you’re talking about

        “The Italians are a nation. Their religion is Roman Catholicism”

        Tell that to Italian Jews pal. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Italian+Jews

  11. Ossinev
    November 11, 2015, 11:19 am

    “Israeli troops shoot and kill young Palestinian woman IMEMC 9 Nov — A 24-year old woman was killed by Israeli troops Monday morning at a military checkpoint [near Qalqiliya] in the West Bank when she approached the checkpoint from afar, holding a knife in her hand and a suicide letter in her bag. She was shot by a soldier while she was still at least 30 feet away from the checkpoint. The woman was identified as Rasha Ahmad Hamed ‘Oweissi . . . Her suicide letter read as follows, “Thanks be to God, Best wishes and greetings. My dear mother, I don’t know what is happening. I just know that I’ve reached the end of the road. And this is the road that I chose with full consciousness. In defense of my homeland, the young men and women, I cannot bear what I see anymore. But what I know is that I can’t take it anymore. My family, my dad, my brothers, forgive me for everything. I just know that I really love you, especially my fiancé. Forgive me for everything, I have nothing else but this path. I am sorry for this departure.” Rasha did not attempt to attack anyone, and was apparently suffering from a mental health crisis. Eyewitnesses report that she did not pose a threat at anytime. She was simply standing, holding a knife, waiting for the soldiers to shoot her . . . She is the 80th person to be killed by Israeli forces since October 1st. 8 Israelis were killed by Palestinians between October 1st and October 18th.”

    Those poor Israeli soldiers they must have been so terrified. But never mind I expect they will be a lot cooler when it comes to facing up to Hezbollah – they will calmly drop their weapons and run away.

    RIP Rasha

    • CigarGod
      November 11, 2015, 11:46 am

      I think we have enough video to put together a compiliation of people going thru the cattle chutes and being executed.
      What music should play in the background?

      I’m trying to figure out how to honor idf vets this Vets Day…

      • a blah chick
        November 11, 2015, 12:08 pm

        “I’m trying to figure out how to honor idf vets this Vets Day…”

        Visas?

      • John O
        November 11, 2015, 12:08 pm

        Arnold Schoenberg: “A Survivor of Warsaw”.

      • CigarGod
        November 11, 2015, 1:44 pm

        Perfect!

  12. Ossinev
    November 11, 2015, 11:58 am

    @CigarGod
    Got to be Hava Nagila just to capture the pure joy and exhilaration they are feeling during their slaughter.

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