The occupation is over, isn’t it?

Israel/Palestine
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The term “Occupation” has become almost a cliché in describing Israel’s presence in the territories conquered in 1967. Within Israeli society, the word is little used anymore (Hebrew: כיבוש ). Many maps published in Israeli school textbooks no longer show the “Green Line”, but through various graphical techniques, implicitly or explicitly indicate that the entire country is “Israel”, or “The Land of Israel”. There is certainly no indication on most maps that Israel occupies/administers territory that is not part of the state. Palestinian maps, of course, often depict the entire country as “Palestine”.

Despite the obvious challenges, can Israel transform itself from a colonial/settler state into a more democratic society? For almost fifty years Israel’s Jewish population has expanded into occupied territory, about 700,000 settlers according to recent estimates. For more than two generations, Israelis have relocated to East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights – no longer to Gaza, which in any case never had more than 6,500 settlers at its peak. The number of Israelis who have been born in the settlements is increasing, and the vast majority of settlers are native Israelis, who move across the Green Line for cheaper housing and quality of life, with only about 15% relocating for ideological reasons. Several hundred kilometers of new highways have been built to connect their communities with the Israeli heartland. The new light rail system in Jerusalem reaches deep into occupied territory, to Pisgat Ze’ev in the north-east of the city, and a southern extension is planned to Malka, near Gilo and Bethlehem. The entire region is dotted with Israeli fortresses and concrete pillboxes. Israeli companies mine raw materials, the state controls the electromagnetic spectrum, and the water resources are extracted to benefit mostly the Jewish population.

The Gaza Strip remains locked territory. Israel, with help from Egypt, denies entry or exit except with an Israeli permit, of which few are granted. Raw materials and finished goods are also subject to Israeli permission before they can move into or out of the Gaza Strip. Access by land, air and sea are controlled by Israel, thus maintaining the Gaza Strip as an integral part of Israel’s matrix of control.

In Area “C”, about 60% of the West Bank, the Israeli government continues to confiscate land by declaring it “State Land”, facilitating de facto annexation of more than half the Occupied Territories. Informing most Israeli land policies is the fundamental assertion that the West Bank is “disputed”, not occupied. Within Israeli law this legalizes the creeping annexation. On the land that Palestinians were led to expect as their new state, huge Israeli farms have taken over large swaths of territory and Jewish-only cities have been built. Industrial zones have been developed, quarries established, and settlements continue to grow unabated. These communities are well provided with shopping malls, supermarkets, banks, and all the other infrastructure of modern life – largely servicing only the Israeli Jewish residents.

Their two and a half million Muslim, Christian, Bedouin and Samaritan neighbors (the Palestinians), are generally not allowed to step foot in most Jewish communities without a special permit and even then are often required to be accompanied by an armed guard. They are also not allowed over the Green Line into “Israel proper”, without a permit. The Separation Barrier snakes in and out of the West Bank, separating Israel and the major settlement blocks from the bulk of the Palestinian population. The Israeli government disingenuously claims that the Barrier is for security reasons only, but at the same time there is an ongoing massive expansion of settlements on both sides of the Barrier, in the areas that are increasingly denied to Palestinians. The latest settlement block being consolidated in the West Bank heartland is the Shiloh Block, encompassing several tens of square kilometres of land and thousands of settlers.

Is this Occupation? Is this colonization? Is this Apartheid? Is it none of the above? Regardless of one’s choice of definition, the process is certainly a sophisticated plan to expand and consolidate the nation-state of Israel on most of the lands conquered in 1967. If we set aside any ideological stance one way or the other regarding the Jewish/Israeli or Arab/Palestinian claims for sovereignty over the land, and take a fresh look at the technical aspects of the Occupation, then certain questions beg to be answered.

The fundamental question is whether the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 have passed an invisible line of history and are now an indivisible and integral part of the Israeli sovereign sphere.
How does one define this “invisible line of history”? There are several indicators that can be examined, and it’s useful to seek parallels with other conquests and state building enterprises, in particular the conquest of parts of the North American continent that became the United States of America.

For the first few decades after achieving independence in 1776, the USA welcomed about 60,000 new immigrants each decade. Then suddenly in the third decade of the 19th century the number more than doubled, then doubled again in only five years. The rate of immigration accelerated to a peak of almost 2 million people during the fifth decade. However by 1850 the US flag still had just 30 stars (today there are 50 states). The rest of the country only had territorial status at that time. California joined that year after being wrenched away from a sleepy Mexico that had no idea that the Gold Rush had started. California made the transition from “Territory” to “State” in only two years due to its rapid development and the subsequent political clout it garnered as a result.

The Great Irish Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór) of 1845 – 1852 contributed greatly to immigration, as did the Federal Government’s final defeat and ghettoization of the Native American population into reservations, and the land giveaway that immigrants who went west could expect. Until the final decades of the 20th century it was possible to “homestead” and stake a claim to “government land” in many states, and receive 5 to 60 acres for free. Much of this land of course is the patrimony of the Native Americans, but that’s a minor detail that most US citizens have long forgotten.

The civil war was yet to come and would shape this new nation in far reaching ways. However it was during the mid-1800s that the United States of America solidified its claim over most of the land that remains part of the USA. And today of course, few question the right of the USA to exercise its sovereignty over the territory under its control. Native Americans, of course, may disagree, especially with the concept of “Manifest Destiny”, which lent justification to the genocidal policies rooted in the belief that Europeans were destined to conquer and rule.

So how does all this relate to the Occupation of Palestine and the growth of the Israeli State? If we continue the comparison, then Israel today could perhaps be viewed as being in a similar stage of development as the USA was in the mid-1800s. If this is true, then the final phase of state consolidation will likely happen soon and relatively fast.

The population growth of Jewish settlements in the West Bank has consistently hovered between 4 to 5% annually for most of the past 20 years, whereas the growth of the population on the “Israel” side of the Green Line has been around 1.5 to 2%. In other words, as a result of Israeli government policies, the settlers grow in number at least twice as fast as the general population. This was also true in mid-nineteenth century USA. Between 1820 and 1850 the rate of immigration grew to a peak of almost 10%, while general population growth was about 3% annually. The growth of immigration was therefore about three times the growth of the general population – similar to the growth of Israeli settlers. Of course the comparison between immigrants to the USA, and settlers in the West Bank breaks down when one considers that most settlers are Israeli citizens and not new immigrants, yet they are in a sense migrants since they are relocating to territory not yet within the Israeli state.

Another consideration is that the number of Israeli Jews living across the Green Line is now almost 15% of the entire Jewish population of Israel. They have full civil and political rights while their Palestinian neighbors have been under military rule for almost 50 years. Despite its assertion that it is a nation-state, the powers of the Palestinian Authority are not sovereign, and rarely exceed the powers of a municipal or county government in Europe or the USA. This is unlikely to change in the current political climate. Such is the legacy of the Oslo Agreements.

There seems to be no explicit end game for Zionist expansionism, other than the confiscation of more territory to be annexed, while excluding as many non-Jews as possible from citizenship and “encouraging” them to relocate to one of the eight to ten Palestinian reservations, known as Areas “A” and “B” (about 40% of the West Bank). These areas have been variously called warehouses, cantons or Bantustans. I prefer the term “reservation”. This strategy worked well in 19th century USA since the indigenous people were completely overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of settlers/immigrants, and the genocidal policies of the colonial and US governments. Zionism, like Manifest Destiny in the USA, has evolved into a political and legal framework of structural discrimination against non-Jews.

In order to consolidate the network of reservations, and reduce the numbers of non-Jews in Area “C”, Israel has built the Barrier, developed the reservation system & permit regime, conducts deportations, home demolitions, and extra-judicial executions. The fundamental difference with the USA is that the current demographic reality, combined with relatively low net Jewish immigration to Israel, ensures that the numbers of Jews will never overwhelm the numbers of non-Jews unless there are mass expulsions, as happened in 1948. This is unlikely in today’s international political climate, and there is currently almost parity of numbers between the Jewish and non-Jewish populations of Israel and the Occupied Territories combined.

So back to the original questions. Is this an “Occupation” that can be ended through Israel’s withdrawal of sovereign claims, and retreat to the Green Line? Or does this process constitute the consolidation of a colonial state? Has Israel implemented a form of Apartheid in the West Bank? Are we now in a post-colonial era?

Contradictory as it may seem, the answer to all the questions seems to be “yes”. However for the reasons mentioned above, none of the supposed “solutions” put forward by the UN, Quartet, by direct negotiations, or advocated by civil society activists, have been successful. A democratic single state, two states, or a federation is just not happening. Israel is moving forward and implementing the historic Zionist mission to establish and maintain a state controlled by Jews, and to expand it when expedient. There is an inexorable historic process at work here that played out in the Americas, Africa, and other regions that were settled by Europeans during the past few hundred years.

The Zionist narrative and ideology diverges from other colonial enterprises in two important elements. Firstly, Zionism justifies Jewish immigration and control by citing a prior claim based on the connections between modern Jews and the ancient Hebrews of the Bible. The second is that the Zionist Enterprise was never sponsored by a state, but for more than a century has built a formidable network of state surrogates expressed in the collective strength of a variety of interlocking Jewish multi-national organizations, including the Jewish Agency, Jewish National Fund, World Zionist Congress, Jewish Colonial Trust Company (now Bank Leumi), AIPAC, Taglit Birthright, and others.

Nevertheless the process of settlement is remarkably similar to other colonial adventures.

The great question remains. Will Israel survive this process – as the USA survived as a Eurocentric colonial project, or will there be a transformational process such as happened in many African countries such as Algeria or Zimbabwe? In those cases the political control passed to the indigenous populations and most of the colonists departed, even if they were the descendants of the original settlers and arguably also indigenous. If the latter, then Zionism will not survive. It is possible though, that a kinder, gentler form of Zionism will eventually prevail, and some type of shared sovereignty or pluralistic society may emerge. In my view this is the likely outcome. However other options – Apartheid – Fascism – or other form of authoritarian government, are still possible, indeed probable in the short term given the power shifts and trends in Israeli politics.

Just as Manifest Destiny gave way to more liberal forms of government and social organization in the USA, so too within Zionism are the seeds of a similar transformation. Keep in mind that like the original European settlers to North America, many Jewish immigrants to Palestine and Israel during the first half of the twentieth century were fleeing oppression in Europe and Russia. After WWII and the Holocaust, Zionism hardened into the more virulent ideology that is evident today. Yet like the USA, democratic ideals are embedded in the culture and the political structure, and today’s struggle in the face of an emergent powerful right wing is to keep these ideals alive. Just as the USA took almost 200 years after its founding to finally embody in law, that all citizens are equal, so too Israel still has the potential to fully realize the promise of its declaration of independence.

“It (the State of Israel) will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

Israel obviously has a long way to go, but this founding statement is far more liberal than any comparable declarations of independence of the colonial era. The State is now almost 70 years old. The conquest of the Territories is almost 50 years old. The last couple of generations of Israelis have become so accustomed to the situation that most of them never question its morality. It’s time to recognize the passage of the “invisible line of history”, lay the term “‘Occupation” to rest, and move on to recognize a reality that many of us are not yet comfortable with – a Jewish controlled Greater Israel that will take decades to reform into some version of a pluralistic society, just as the Christian-controlled countries of Europe and the Americas dragged themselves out of barbarism (slavery, burning witches, the Crusades, etc) and emerged into a more liberal future.

Thus Israel will likely follow a similar process that shaped Western Europe and their colonies, where the Christian countries (many still have a cross on the flag) reluctantly, and after centuries of oppression, permitted non-Christians to become citizens and full members of their societies. The Jewish State will need to follow suit, hopefully in decades rather than centuries, if it wants to fully join the family of civilized nations.

About Fred Schlomka

Fred Schlomka is the CEO of the Green Olive Collective, a Palestinian/Israeli organization dedicated to creating an alternative future.

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  1. Marnie
    February 26, 2016, 12:26 pm

    “It is possible though, that a kinder, gentler form of Zionism will eventually prevail, and some type of shared sovereignty or pluralistic society may emerge.”

    Kinder and gentler are words that can’t be paired with zionism. Its one or the other. Zionism cannot be cured or made less of a carcinogen. It’s been on life support for decades with no signs of improvement in sight, in fact, a steady decay. The world has grown weary of the ‘I/P’ conflict but not weary enough to pull the plug. What zionism needs is a Jack Kevorkian to end its misery thus ending the misery it has inflicted on the indigenous people of the land.

    • irishmoses
      February 26, 2016, 3:42 pm

      Great article. Some miscellaneous points I think are important:

      1. While it’s true that “occupation” is no longer a useful description, I think it is more important to recognize that “occupation” was a term used to Zionist advantage as it perpetuated the Zionist PR and negotiating myth that Israel’s presence in the occupied territories was only temporary.

      2. While comparison’s to US “occupation” and conquering of Native American lands in the 18th and 19th centuries is perhaps informative, there is a danger that the comparison attaches a moral equivalence to the two and provides a useful “moral” justification to Israel’s occupation and conquering of the entirety of Palestine. The standards of international law and morality in the 18th and 19th centuries were decidedly different from the standards Israel should be held to in post WW2 and post 1967 Israel/Palestine.

      3. “Area C” is a dangerous concept to throw around loosely. Most will think Israel wants only to annex and control a 60 percent contiguous block of land leaving another separate and contiguous 40 percent for a Palestinian state. In fact, the Area C 60 percent entirely surrounds the entire West Bank and includes the Jordan Valley. The “Palestinian” Areas A and B comprise about 20 large, isolated and surrounded segments of land and another 40 or so smaller isolated and surrounded segments. Israel’s Area C weaves its way around and through the entirety of areas A & B. The idea that a viable Palestinian state could be created in areas A and B is ludicrous. Look at a map.

      4. The demographic realities of Greater Israel make any possible future concessions by Israel toward democracy and equality inconceivable. At present, the Palestinian and Jewish populations in Greater Israel are roughly equal, about 6.4 million each. Any recognition of a Greater Israel will immediately raise the question of the Palestinian refugees of which there are about 4.5 million living in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, a million or so of which still live in squalid refugee camps. Another 2.5 million live largely stateless in other Middle East and Western countries. That problem won’t go away. Even if Israel could limit the Greater Israel Palestinian population to its current inhabitants, any concession toward full equality and democracy would make the reality of a “Jewish” controlled state an impossibility, hence unacceptable to Greater Israel Zionists. Allowing any right of Palestinian return to even the West Bank portions of Greater Israel would further seal the fate of Jewish dominance and control of Greater Israel.

      So, Greater Israel is a reality (and has been, de facto if not de jure, for half a century). Unfortunately, apartheid is a necessary and ongoing condition of this reality. To argue that things can only get better is to ignore the demographic and moral reality of Greater Israel and its Zionist leaders and citizenry (not to mention its Zionist supporters in the US and the West in general).

      I suspect the Greater Israel Zionist powers that be will look for opportunities for “transfer” of the undesirable non-Jewish inhabitants to neighboring countries under the guise of protecting Greater Israel’s Jewish population from the scourge of ISIS and its Islamic hordes. Absent that, they will be forced to continue defending the indefensible, an apartheid state. How long that can last is anybody’s guess.

      • MHughes976
        February 26, 2016, 4:20 pm

        This is not occupation, it is conquest and it stands or falls by the slowly emerging – avowed by Mr, Adelsom, I have heard here – plan, in all its monstrosity, to transfer or relocate the Palestinians, scattering them to the four corners. Mr. Schlomka’s air of serenity is highly dangerous if it makes us flinch from facing this horrible thing.
        The comparison with the horrible treatment of the first Americans is indeed, as IM says, troubling. Israel would be very satisfied with a tiny Palestinian minority with, as I often imagine, a highly subsidised museum which would be the world’s biggest tank of crocodile tears.

      • Misterioso
        February 27, 2016, 1:17 pm

        Regarding demographics:

        link to huffingtonpost.com

        “Dear Netanyahu: Radical Zionists Like You Cannot Survive”
        Huffington Post, Feb. 24/16,
        by Alon Ben-Meir, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Affairs, NYU

        “A Plea For Reason: An Open Letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu”

        EXCERPT:

        “Demographically, the country is facing a grave danger. The number of Israelis emigrating from Israel is roughly equal to the number of those who immigrate to Israel. Nearly one million Israelis, representing 13 percent of the population, emigrated from Israel in the past 20 years. Several polls consistently show that given the opportunity, 30 percent of Israelis would consider leaving the country, mainly for economic reasons and the lack of a prospect of ending the debilitating conflict with the Palestinians.

        “In particular, the immigration of young American and European Jews to Israel is consistently trending downward. Many of them have lost the sense of pioneering spirit and excitement that gripped their earlier counterparts who wanted to be a part of a historic enterprise unmatched by any in contemporary human experience.”

      • Fred Schlomka
        February 27, 2016, 4:00 pm

        Irishmoses – thanks for the considered comments.
        1. Agreed
        2. Just as there is no moral justification for the colonisation and treatment of Native Americans, there is also none for the Zionist conquest of Palestine. No morality or moral equivalence in either enterprise.
        3. The article does not advocate for a Palestinian State in Areas A and B.
        4. You wrote ” The demographic realities of Greater Israel make any possible future concessions by Israel toward democracy and equality inconceivable. ” – I would disagree. Projecting a linear direction to the future is always fraught with disappointment. One could have said the same thing about medieval Europe or 18th century USA. Societies do change, sometimes in unexpected directions.

      • irishmoses
        February 27, 2016, 7:27 pm

        Fred,
        Thanks for the reply. I’ll respond by number:
        2. Agreed except my point was that the acceptable moral standard and the international legal standards were much higher post 1949 than in the 19th century. Hence, the argument that Israel’s conduct is acceptable because we did something similar 100 years before, really doesn’t serve as a justification. for Israel’s conduct from 1948 on. e.g. the Geneva Conventions on the laws of war (and occupation) came out in 1949 and were ratified by Israel.
        3. I know you weren’t advocating that and I should have been more clear. My point was that most people would be surprised to hear that Area C is really a net thrown over the entirety of the West Bank and physically separates the “Palestinian areas into 60+ separate islands.
        4. I agree we can’t know the future but if the non-white populations in the US has comprised 70 percent of the total US population, I think it is unlikely US Whites would have been willing to cede equality to all., which is precisely the demographic problem I was addressing in my point. Any concessions toward equality by Israeli Jews will spell the doom of the Jewish state. I also think some forms of government are far less likely to change for the better than others. Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and Imperial Japan seem like apt examples. Still, we never know for sure.

        Good article. I hope to read more of your work.

    • Kay24
      February 27, 2016, 12:42 pm

      “It is possible though, that a kinder, gentler form of Zionism will eventually prevail, and some type of shared sovereignty or pluralistic society may emerge.”

      That is an impossibility. Nazism had to be wiped out before sanity prevailed in Germany.

      • Fred Schlomka
        February 27, 2016, 4:16 pm

        I beg to differ. Zionism differs sharply from totalitarian forms of oppression. Within the Israeli political framework are sufficient structures of democracy that can provide a basis for reform, over time.

        The comparison with the Nazis is ridiculous and ill-informed. By the mid-1930s there was virtually no political opposition left in Germany. Israel today still has non-Zionist political parties represented in the Knesset. We may not have power, but our voice is still heard, albeit trampled on. I can write articles such as this one without being tortured and jailed, which was common in Germany shortly after Hitler took power.

        Arguably the US racist and genocidal regime should also have been wiped out in the 19th century, yet you went through a civil war, belatedly gave women and the native population the vote 150 years after the the founding of the state, and today are still struggling with the racist legacy.

        Like the racism of Manifest Destiny, Zionism will likely morph into a more civilised Jewish flavoured society, much like the US and Europe are still predominantly Christian, yet a wee bit more tolerant of the ‘other’ than in previous centuries.

      • Mooser
        February 27, 2016, 7:32 pm

        “Fred Schlomka” if you insist on doing this, please put the lipstick on the pig’s mouth.

        “Like the racism of Manifest Destiny, Zionism will likely morph into a more civilised Jewish flavoured society, much like the US”

        After we wipe out the native peoples? What gives us the right, as Jews, to do this? It never even occurrs to you that subjecting the Palestinians to “Manifest Destiny” (Where the f–ck did the capitals come from?) might be an unacceptable idea?

        Where is our Jewish “Manifest Destiny”? ROTFLMJAO!

      • Marnie
        February 27, 2016, 10:40 pm

        “Like the racism of Manifest Destiny, Zionism will likely morph into a more civilised Jewish flavoured society, much like the US and Europe are still predominantly Christian, yet a wee bit more tolerant of the ‘other’ than in previous centuries. ”

        Is that something you’d find appealing if the shoe were on the other foot? How easily you speak about other people’s lives, zionism ‘will likely morph into a more civilised Jewish’flavoured society” ‘yet a wee bit more tolerant of the ‘other’ than in previous centuries.” And you still insist on schmaltz being the flavor of your kinder, gentler zionism? Have you shared your vision of the future with your Palestinian workers? How about the women whose embroidery you sell? Your alternative future sounds as f%cked up as the present – why should another shite alternative take up to 50 years to be realized.

      • Kay24
        February 28, 2016, 12:06 am

        “Within the Israeli political framework are sufficient structures of democracy that can provide a basis for reform, over time.”

        That is indeed a fantasy. Democracy is in name only when it comes to the occupation. Then the occupied is denied “democracy”. Perhaps in a couple of centuries, there might be hope for that beacon of shining light in the Middle East – at least when looking at the ongoing occupation, land thefts, and Palestinians held under siege, for decades, all supported by the worlds greatest superpower, it certainly does not look remotely possible. But one can keep dreaming and being delusional.

      • Fred Schlomka
        February 28, 2016, 3:26 am

        Mooser – The capitals in Manifest Destiny are a US phenomenon, not mine. Read some history. One could just as easily say that capital in Zionism are unjustified.

        An important point here is that I am neither advocating or justifying the ongoing Zionist process. I spend one or two days a week out on the front lines in the West Bank with Palestinian colleagues getting tear gassed, beaten, and arrested by Israeli uniformed thugs. So I am intimate with the reality on the ground.

        Marnie – Most Palestinian Christians, Muslims and others are ready to live with Israelis as equals. Most Israelis are not. Our job here is to build bridges and seek out like minded people while we hunker down for a long haul of oppression, which as you know is getting worse.

        Most people in the country, Israeli and Palestinian, understand that if we destroy the present political structures and start from scratch to build a new society, then it is more likely that we end up with something like Lebanon or Iraq. Few here want that. Da’ash (ISIS) even has cells in Bethlehem according to my friends there. Christians are leaving again in droves since they are well aware of what’s happening to their co-religionists in Egypt and ISIS-controlled areas in Syria and elsewhere.

        Kay24 – Thank you. I am a dreamer. We need more dreamers in this country, especially among the political leadership.

        I look to history for examples. Women were being beaten and arrested on the streets of Washington DC for demanding equal rights in the 19th century, It took another hundred years to get the vote.

        We can hope for the Black Swan to swoop down tomorrow and have our equivalent of the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall. That’s a dream too, and I would welcome it. But realistically Israel is much more powerful than the Soviet Union or East Germany in 1989, or Apartheid South Africa when it fell.

        Every hi tech device in the world depends on Israeli developed technology – every computer, smartphone and tablet likely has value added by an Israeli company. The planet is not about to give this up, not even advocated of BDS. I was one of the original signers of theIsraeli NGO supporters of the Palestinian BDS statement back on 2005 when I was Operations Manager of ICAHD. I still support BDS as a useful political tactic, but it is not going to bring about the downfall of Zionism.

        Finally echinococcus – Nothing in the article legitimises the conquest and Occupation of the Palestinian people. To explain is not to excuse, and I excuse or justify nothing in my writing. You wrote an interesting line: “When exactly did the owners of all Palestine agree to a “more democratic society”? –

        Ownership does not guarantee sovereignty in any country. The people who now call themselves Palestinian (including my family who have lived here for 200 years), owned land when the British and the Ottomans ruled, but never had sovereignty. It raises the question of who is truly indigenous. Most of the Muslims, Christians, Jews and others who live here are the spawn of countless conquests and invasions over the millennia, the European Jews being but the latest one. Among both the Palestinian and Jewish populations you see blond hair and blue eyes, folks with swarthy skin, and people who look like they are from central Africa – Both Arabs and Jews. The terms – Israeli, Jewish, Palestinian, Arab – have little to do with race. The reality is a racial and ethnic mix on all sides – which to my way of thinking bodes well for the future. But I’ve gone off topic. Sorry.

      • eljay
        February 28, 2016, 8:00 am

        @Fred Schlomka: Thank you for taking the time to reply to people’s comments. I appreciate your replies and what you’re saying.

      • echinococcus
        February 28, 2016, 8:57 am

        Schlomka,

        I was one of the original signers of theIsraeli NGO supporters of the Palestinian BDS statement back on 2005 when I was Operations Manager of ICAHD. I still support BDS as a useful political tactic, but it is not going to bring about the downfall of Zionism.

        Thereby confirming, once more, that the BDS movement is Zionist-infested, partly Zionist-led and it’s high time to get rid of tribal clubs in peaceful coexistence with the Zionists.

        Finally echinococcus – Nothing in the article legitimises the conquest and Occupation of the Palestinian people. To explain is not to excuse, and I excuse or justify nothing in my writing.

        Limiting the definition of “occupation” to post-67 does exactly that: admit a legitimacy for the Zionist invasion.

        You wrote an interesting line: “When exactly did the owners of all Palestine agree to a “more democratic society”? –

        Ownership does not guarantee sovereignty in any country.

        Exactly. That’s why the definition of owners of the country must be limited to the heirs of all residents of Palestine as of the Basle Congress (when the hostile intent of Zionism was declared) or 1917 at the latest when such hostile intent was supported by a colonialist power. Of course real estate is insignificant. You look as if you were trying to muddy the waters.

        – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      • echinococcus
        February 28, 2016, 9:10 am

        Schlomka,

        The comparison with the Nazis is ridiculous and ill-informed. By the mid-1930s there was virtually no political opposition left in Germany. Israel today still has non-Zionist political parties represented in the Knesset. We may not have power, but our voice is still heard, albeit trampled on. I can write articles such as this one without being tortured and jailed, which was common in Germany shortly after Hitler took power.

        If opponents of Nazism had been as insignificant as the so-called opposition in the Zionist entity, if its opposition had been as friendly to Nazism as most opposition in the Zionist entity is to Zionism, if the US, the UK and most major powers had ensured Hitler of their eternal support and absence of “daylight”, there would have been no banning of the opposition in Nazi Germany –except that of the opposition that really means business, of course. As practiced in the Zionist entity.

        What defines Nazifascism is not internal repression by itself.

      • oldgeezer
        February 28, 2016, 11:01 am

        @Fred

        There is no truth to the claim that hi tech depends on Israeli developed technology. Israelis have made many significant contributions to science but the claim is a distortion of reality and also ignores the reality of today’s multinational corporations .

      • echinococcus
        February 28, 2016, 12:19 pm

        oldgeezer,

        Fact is, several technical achievements in Germany were not available outside it during the Nazi era. When will the Zionists understand that? Think that they pretend to be anti-Nazi par excellence…

        I looked up this author and find that he emigrated definitively to “Israel” in 2000 after a longish career in Scotland and the US.

        Considering the Zionist propaganda by this and many other guest writers on this site, a few words of explanation as to the site policy may be a good idea.

      • oldgeezer
        February 28, 2016, 12:35 pm

        @echinoccus

        Hopefully I spelt your name right… no intentional mispellings. Yes… Germany was certainly a leader. Communist countries also contributed to science which is the base foundation of modern day hi tech. From the conductive proerties of substances to databse indexing and retrieval. And millions of ither pieces. Clearly it doesnt stop us from having sanctio s etc against states nor does it ibviate boycotts. While Israel has made many contributions nothing is either that significant nor controlled by Israel.

        In terms of the site policies I disagree. While i have some issues with the content and thrust of the article I think the author is sincere and certainly even active in support of the Palestinians. I can respect and consider alternate opinions even when I think they are wrong or wrong headed. And I certainly waiti g to see what Israel morphs into in a few generations time is extremely wrong headed. Callous or indifferent to a degree as well but that is another issue. I dont think either attribute applies to the author. Just overly optimisitc and not one of those trapped under Israeli boots even if he has been kicked by them.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 12:56 pm

        “Within the Israeli political framework are sufficient structures of democracy that can provide a basis for reform, over time.”

        Sure, you betcha! In accordance “with the Prophets of Israel”. There ain’t nothin’ those guys didn’t know about democracy!

        I’d sort of prefer a written constitution and equal rights under the law, but I’m not going to piss of those prophets of Israel. They play rough.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 1:10 pm

        “I beg to differ…/…Sorry.”

        Awwsw, this is so cute, now Mondo has it’s own tame Cathartes aura for a pet. We’ll call it “Fred”.

        No need to be frightened, we’ve already seen “Fred’s” primary defense mechanism.

      • echinococcus
        February 28, 2016, 1:18 pm

        oldgeezer,

        Thanks, but I am much more concerned by violations of understandable, regular spelling than that of odd handles.

        Of course the guy is active and he says he means well –but that’s the thing, l’enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions as they say over there (apologies to RoHa.) I am not in a position to dictate policy to others; just suggesting that a clear policy statement may keep slow people like me from being continually nonplussed by Zionist fluff pieces appearing on the web site. It is shameless Zionist propaganda, even though the guy is in some opposition movement and runs an NGO and advertises Palestinian products, too.
        I also want to know how come we’re being lectured by a Scottish-American who recently and willingly joined the Master Race population. It’s not that he has some excuse like being born there or dragged as a kid etc.

      • talknic
        February 28, 2016, 5:05 pm

        @ Fred Schlomka

        “Every hi tech device in the world depends on Israeli developed technology – every computer, smartphone and tablet likely has value added by an Israeli company. The planet is not about to give this up”

        A) Propaganda nonsense and B) If one stops using something one already has, how does it effect the party being boycotted?

        “Ownership does not guarantee sovereignty in any country”

        Ownership of ‘real estate’ doesn’t give anyone ‘territorial’ sovereignty. For example. Chinese companies and individuals own ‘real estate’ in Australia, they have no Australian territorial or citizenship rights. Although Jewish folk owned ‘real estate’ Israel paid exactly nothing for its proclaimed and Internationally recognized territory link to trumanlibrary.org

        The Palestinians do not have to prove they own ‘real estate’, the issue is one of territory. It’s a fact that no territory outside of Israel’s recognized borders is Israeli. Israel’s only recognized borders are those in the Israeli Government plea for recognition

        “The people who now call themselves Palestinian …”

        “who now call themselves Palestinian”? They’ve been Palestinian since at least the Roman era

        ” Most of the Muslims, Christians, Jews and others who live here are the spawn of countless conquests and invasions over the millennia, “

        Pre – the UN Charter and the adoption of International Laws to prevent that kind of behaviour

        “the European Jews being but the latest one”

        Post – the UN Charter and the adoption of International Laws to prevent that kind of behaviour. A Charter and International Laws Israel obliged itself to uphold.

        So “Schlomka is CEO of Green Olive Tours”. Interesting.

        When speaking of ones self, surely one would simply say ‘CEO of Green Olive Tours’ or ‘I am CEO of Green Olive Tours’

        CEO?

        Green Olive Tours says “Fred Schlomka – Director”. Something Fred Schlomka would surely have gotten right

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 8:00 pm

        “In 2012 a Company was registered and a charter was drafted that radically changed the nature of the business. The new company, Green Olive Collective is managed democratically by the people working in the organization, and has a broad mandate. Green Olive Collective Inc. is registered in the USA, has Palestinian and Israeli working partners, and almost 100 Investors and Members from 19 countries around the globe. Membership is open to everyone.”

        With one CEO to guide them all.

  2. Talkback
    February 26, 2016, 3:42 pm

    “Many maps published in Israeli school textbooks no longer show the “Green Line”, but through various graphical techniques, implicitly or explicitly indicate that the entire country is “Israel”, or “The Land of Israel”. ”

    They teach hate at a young age. LOL.

    But wait, they really do:
    “Most Jewish first-graders attend ultra-Orthodox and religious schools. The majority of them are educated along the lines of “The King’s Torah.” A Jew is human. A non-Jew is non-human. “Thou shalt not kill” does not apply to non-Jews. And this is not delivered in the form of incitement, but as a simple statement of a fact. As simple as calling a chair a chair.”
    link to haaretz.com

    • MHughes976
      February 26, 2016, 4:04 pm

      In which case Salaita – and Annie contra me – is right to say that the obvious fact of Palrstinisn humanity will undermine this nonsense in the end. But I wonder if we have the true measure of people to whom common humanity is not ethically crucial but a sort of threat to the true order of things, which depends on there being different kinds of people, some taking precedence, perhaps by miles, over others.

    • rosross
      February 28, 2016, 8:43 pm

      @ Fred Schlomka,

      You said: But realistically Israel is much more powerful than the Soviet Union or East Germany in 1989, or Apartheid South Africa when it fell.

      How do you or can you substantiate that claim?

      Both the Soviet Union and South Africa when apartheid was forced to an end, were militarily powerful in terms of defence and self-sufficient in terms of food, fuel, resources.

      Israel is none of those things. Israel has lost its last wars against neighbouring States and indeed its war against the Gaza concentration camp.

      Israel is not and never will be self-sufficient in fuel, resources or food.

      More to the point, neither SA or the Soviet Union were bankrolled by another country in order to survive. Without the billions the Americans pour into the military base which is Israel today the country would fall in a heap.

      Israel is vastly more vulnerable to BDS than South Africa ever was. The Soviets are not a good comparison because they corrupted from within and a better comparison between Soviet decay and others, is the US. But that is a digression.

  3. echinococcus
    February 26, 2016, 11:52 pm

    Another piece of propaganda to perpetuate the myth of “legitimate” conquest, theft and genocide.
    The war of aggression and conquest was started by the Zionist entity in 11/1947 and has never been called off.
    All of Palestine is under occupation.
    Limiting the term to only post-1967 occupation or to occupation over the illegal partition line imagined by colonial powers is nothing but propaganda to provide some kind of unreasoned legitimacy to the Zionist invasion.

  4. echinococcus
    February 26, 2016, 11:56 pm

    Despite the obvious challenges, can Israel transform itself from a colonial/settler state into a more democratic society?

    When exactly did the owners of all Palestine agree to a “more democratic society”?

  5. Eva Smagacz
    February 27, 2016, 5:25 am

    And Palestinian refugees are chopped liver

    • Steve Grover
      February 27, 2016, 10:30 am

      Eva,
      [..]

      • Marnie
        February 27, 2016, 11:16 am

        Only chicken liver? I figured you more for this kind of meal.

        link to youtube.com

      • Annie Robbins
        February 27, 2016, 11:28 am

        i think this might be a situation of someone clearing a comment from the back page not knowing what proceeded it. this is really gross. i have not even had my coffee yet. sorry steve, this is too much. your recipe has to go.

      • Steve Grover
        February 27, 2016, 11:36 am

        No Marnie,
        There is both Beef and Chicken liver. It is an excellent recipe.

        chopped liver recipe.

        1 Lb Beef Liver (I use Kosher)
        1 Lb Chicken Liver (I use Kosher)
        1 Yellow Onion
        1 White Onion
        4 Hard Boiled Eggs
        Enough Schmalt (Chicken Fat) to fry and make sure the final product isn’t dry.
        3 palm fulls of Kosher Salt or Sea Salt
        Black Pepper Coursely Ground to taste.
        Preparation:
        Broil the Beef Liver until well done be careful not to burn. Charred liver will add an unpleasant bitter character.
        Sauté the chicken liver in schmaltz until well done. Add some salt and pepper
        Chop the yellow onion and sauté in schmaltz add some salt and pepper.
        Finely chop the white onion either with a knife or with a food processor and set aside.
        Melt 1/2 cup schmaltz.
        Add all liver and juices and fat to a food processor.
        Add sautéed yellow onion with pan fat to food processor.
        Add the 4 hard boiled eggs to the food processor.
        Pulse process and scrape down sides so everything gets combined.
        Add 2 palm fills of salt and a lot of black pepper and process.
        As you process drizzle in melted schmaltz until the chopped liver appears smooth.
        Into a bowl add the chopped liver and the chopped white onions mix with a large spoon until well combined.
        Chill in a covered container for at least 2 hours before serving. Taste after chilling to see if you need to add more salt and pepper.

      • Steve Grover
        February 27, 2016, 11:43 am

        Annie,
        You should try my chopped liver on Shmura Matza. Only problem you can’t get Shnura Matza until a couple of weeks before Pesach.

      • Mooser
        February 27, 2016, 1:11 pm

        “Eva, [..]”

        Even transcendental Moderation has its limits.

        Oh look, “Steve” sent the chopped liver recipe in again! What a fighter for Zionism!

      • Steve Grover
        February 27, 2016, 2:27 pm

        Just for that Mooser, I ain’t sharing my gribenes recipe.
        Oh yeah, to clarify above, it is Shmura Matza not Shnura.

      • Talkback
        February 28, 2016, 3:33 am

        Steve, you forgot to mention how many Palestinians have to be dispossesed to acquire the products. It’s the main part of any of your recipies.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 2:57 pm

        “It’s the main part of any of your recipies.”

        That’s why “Steve” insists on posting them. He is striking a blow for Zionism, and increasing his own credibility, both at once! And then he gets Israel (super hi-tech) to cancel the web-stats!
        How can one possibly prevail over that kind of intelligence?

      • gamal
        February 28, 2016, 7:22 pm

        “liver on Shmura Matza”

        you mean Schnorrer Matza, thats Zionist food, Mooser will be the judge.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 8:16 pm

        “you mean Schnorrer Matza,”

        Oh yes, that one is a winner! Fust-Cless!

  6. James Michie
    February 27, 2016, 9:34 am

    OMG! Fred, I think you just broke a record in loading up layer, after layer, after layer, after layer of “lipstick” on your Zionist Israel and its six decades (since 1947) of brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing fascist grand theft at gunpoint of Palestine. Your Zionist Israel for decades has employed in its hideous fascist rule of Palestine some of the very same tactics used by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s. The irony is overwhelming!

    Crowning your “lipstick” layering of your Zionist Israel, you state:

    “It is possible though, that a kinder, gentler form of Zionism will eventually prevail, and some type of shared sovereignty or pluralistic society may emerge. In my view this is the likely outcome.”

    You further postulate that this “transition” to a “kinder, gentler form of Zionism” probably will take decades, not hundreds of years in the case of the ugly old USA.

    So in the meantime, Palestinians can look forward to a “kinder, gentler form of Zionism” just three or four generations down the road. Right, Fred? WRONG!

    Your layers of “lipstick”, however thick you paint them, can never disguise what your Zionist Israel has done to Palestinians. Your attempts to present a farcical facade of “Zionist-light” is wholly transparent and could have blinded most Americans a decade ago, Fred, but no more!

    Moreover, Fred, your “arguments” for the world, and especially the Palestinians, to be patient for the next 30, 40, 50 or 60 years, while Zionist Israel and its “citizens” (claiming to be Jewish) decide to cease their abject racism, brutality, genocide and ethnic cleansing in their fascist rule over Palestine, are at best, ludicrous, and at worst, still more fascist Zionist propaganda!

    • Fred Schlomka
      February 28, 2016, 3:48 am

      Thanks James for your carefully considered comments. It’s always interesting to be labeled a propagator of ‘fascist Zionist propaganda’.

      First, I don’t ask anyone to be patient. My Palestinian & Israeli colleagues and I are out on the front lines every week in Beit Ummar, Sousiya, and lately the Tunnel Road, dodging rubber bullets and worse, while we protest – in your words:
      ‘abject racism, brutality, genocide and ethnic cleansing ‘

      You further wrote:
      ‘Your Zionist Israel for decades has employed in its hideous fascist rule of Palestine some of the very same tactics used by the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s. ‘
      If that is the case, why have I not been arrested and tortured by the regime, as my father was in Nazi Germany in 1936 due to his political activity. The Nazis swept away the political opposition pretty quick. In Israel, sufficient democratic frameworks remain in place to allow an opposition to function.

      Could you have imagined Jews in the Nazi Parliament – or communists? All political opposition was outlawed. This may happen here as we slide into the abyss, but we are not there yet, and if my colleagues and I have our way, we won’t arrive there. We still have our bi-national Communist party (Hadash), Islamic Movement, and other non-Zionist or anti-Zionist parties functioning politically 70 years after the founding of the state of Israel.

      To be sure we are under attack by the government, but our opposition parties still have legal standing in Israel. This was impossible under the Nazis or any fascist regime. Israel is undoubtably becoming more authoritarian, but in essence no more so than the USA in the 1950s when Jim Crow laws were perfectly legal, so was Mccarthyism, and some apartment buildings in US cities had signs declaring:
      No Dogs, No Jews, No Irish, No Nig—s.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 1:19 pm

        “No Dogs, No Jews, No Irish, No Nig—s.”

        And, as you say all of that was legal. So I guess we’ve got nothing to complain about.

        Look, “Fred”, I hate to point this out, but even with legal discrimination available to us, we couldn’t keep Jews from marrying the hell out of non-Jews. And vice-versas.
        So what the hell are you complaining about?

      • talknic
        February 28, 2016, 5:52 pm

        @ Fred Schlomka

        ” why have I not been arrested … “

        Mmmm

        “I spend one or two days a week out on the front lines in the West Bank with Palestinian colleagues getting tear gassed, beaten, and arrested by Israeli uniformed thugs. – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

        Is it only your Palestinian colleagues being arrested?

        ” as my father was in Nazi Germany in 1936 due to his political activity”

        Oh?

        “The people who now call themselves Palestinian (including my family who have lived here for 200 years)” , – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

        Truth never changes

  7. Marnie
    February 27, 2016, 11:18 am

    James Michie

    “Moreover, Fred, your “arguments” for the world, and especially the Palestinians, to be patient for the next 30, 40, 50 or 60 years, while Zionist Israel and its “citizens” (claiming to be Jewish) decide to cease their abject racism, brutality, genocide and ethnic cleansing in their fascist rule over Palestine, are at best, ludicrous, and at worst, still more fascist Zionist propaganda! ”

    No truer words spoken.

  8. ahadhaadam
    February 27, 2016, 11:30 am

    One major difference between the US and Israel is that the United States never defined itself as the “homeland of white Christians”, so its transformation to a democracy was relatively easy. It was slavery in the US which was embedded in society without compunction, much like apartheid and ethnic cleansing is embedded in Israeli Zionist society. How many Israelis are willing to go into a civil war to free themselves of the scourge of Zionism and ethnic supremacy? Not that many. That is why we should never hold hopes of a “better Israel”.

    A one man one vote movement among Palestinians would herald the beginning of the end of the Zionist project as there is no doubt in my mind that when faced with the prospects of losing their privileges and living as equals with Arab neighbors and potentially an Arab prime minister, most Israeli Jews would opt to immigrate back to the West. Under such a scenario it is far more likely that Israel would resort to the “final solution” to ethnically cleanse the West Bank creating rivers of Palestinian blood in the process. After all, they were taught that their survival is dependent upon the existence of a “Jewish State”. This final solution will be met by silence from the EU and the US, who will go on to business as usual, swallow the pill and go along for the ride with the Hasbara line of “Israel defending itself”.

    • rosross
      February 27, 2016, 10:29 pm

      Israel cannot kill or drive out nearly six million Palestinians. It is impossible. Even the slaughter in the Gaza concentration camp brought world outrage and killing millions of Palestinians cannot happen.

      Israel bombing the Gaza prison still only killed a few thousand of the two million or so imprisoned there and given the Jew-only settlements connected by Jew-only roads in the rest of Occupied Palestine, it would be impossible to kill the Palestinians without killing Jewish settlers. It cannot be done.

      Given the technology of today, if Israel even tried to herd Palestinians onto trains or into trucks to remove them, the word would be out within minutes and even the US would be forced to impose an immediate one-state solution.

      If Israel sought to remove its settlers before embarking on a slaughter of Palestinians, that too would soon be known and Israel would be pushed into an immediate one-state solution.

      The killing or removing of the Palestinians is quite simply impossible and it always was impossible. Even if Israel tried and killed a few million of them, and you can imagine how that would go down, there are still 8 million Palestinians in the diaspora so they would always be a majority.

      • Sibiriak
        February 27, 2016, 11:54 pm

        rosross: Given the technology of today, if Israel even tried to herd Palestinians onto trains or into trucks to remove them, the word would be out within minutes and even the US would be forced to impose an immediate one-state solution.
        ————

        No, in that completely imaginary scenario, the UN Security Council would most likely impose an immediate TWO-state solution—or if military intervention was considered unfeasible, isolate and sanction Israel– in accordance with international law, previous UN resolutions, and the wishes of the state of Palestine.

      • MHughes976
        February 28, 2016, 11:46 am

        I think that the plan is to clear a few areas at a time and to use a mixture of threat and inducement. The hope would be that the success of the plan in each area would discourage resistance in the next. There would be a need to pay off the receiving countries and to wage an extensive propaganda campaign and (most important!) to get some conspicuous acceptance of a ‘compensation’ scheme. All very expensive, and so far the resources are not to hand, nowhere near. So it may never happen, in which case the Zionist project will fail. But it is being planned.

    • Fred Schlomka
      February 28, 2016, 4:01 am

      ahadhaadam – When the USA was founded only white males over 25 years old who owned property were permitted to vote. Your assertion that
      – “its transformation to a democracy was relatively easy – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
      Is just not true. The Native American population, and women were not given the vote until 150 years after the founding of the state. Palestinian citizens of Israel were given the vote 1n 1966, just 18 years after the founding of the state. Yes they are still treated as 2nd class citizens, but so are Blacks and native Americans in the USA. We have a constant struggle against racism.

      Israel would likely not commit wholesale ethnic cleansing except within the scenario of a major war. Syria of course is already along this path with over 2 million refugees and a complete breakdown in society’s social compact. Most people where I live, Israeli and Palestinian , do not want to go down this path.

      • echinococcus
        February 28, 2016, 11:27 am

        Yes they are still treated as 2nd class citizens, but so are Blacks and native Americans in the USA. We have a constant struggle against racism.

        A bad faith, propaganda comment.

        Are you suggesting that there is no legal framework in the Zionist entity discriminating your Herrenvolk from the others, or are you suggesting that the lower-tier social status of some minorities in the US is legally sanctioned?

        What “constant struggle against racism” with over 95% of the population officially racist?

    • echinococcus
      February 28, 2016, 11:20 am

      Rossross and Sibiriak,

      Where do you buy your powder-pink sunglasses? “even the US would be forced to impose”… “the UN Security Council would most likely impose”… Zionist invasion and genocide are enforced by US and UN.

      • rosross
        February 28, 2016, 9:11 pm

        @echinococcus,

        There are limits even to what the US can tolerate or be allowed to tolerate.

        I agree with your points but there is general slaughter as carried out by Israel, daily, and regularly on the Gaza concentration camp, but concerted slaughter, of the kind required, would not be tolerated.

        The irony of course is that Israel’s ‘death by a thousand cuts’ or ‘mowing the lawn’ as it nastily calls it, just increases support for Palestine around the world and hastens the end of the Zionist experiment.

      • Sibiriak
        February 28, 2016, 11:19 pm

        @echinococcus: We were only talking about the completely imaginary scenario where Israel conducts openly a mass ethnic-cleanising operation, loading people on trucks, etc.

        My point was that if the U.S./UN were ever to intervene, it won’t be to impose a one state solution by force, as Rossross suggested.

        Speaking of powder-pink glasses, your position is:

        *BDS is toxic Zionist crap

        *Effective international sanctions are impossible

        * Palestinian resistance is hopeless

        * We need a “regional conflagration” to bring Israel down and usher in a single Palestinian state where most of the Zionist invaders will flee and the remaining would be at the mercy of the new Palestinian regime.

        How realistic is that? Please describe how you think this “regional conflagration” will play out?

      • Sibiriak
        February 28, 2016, 11:50 pm

        @echinococcus:

        Your position is:

        […]the BDS movement is Zionist-infested, partly Zionist-led…

        link to mondoweiss.net

        *****

        BDS is being used for the intended purpose of saving the Zionist entity, by the “liberal” Zionists and the tribals of JVP

        link to mondoweiss.net

        *****

        [echinococcus:] Let’s stop deluding ourselves. […] a peaceful transition like, say, South Africa or the USSR has less chance than a snowball in hell. Not gonna happen. Same for the chances of the Resistance to force any change by itself.

        What will probably reshape it all is a regional conflagration provoked by Israel and the US.

        […]
        But anyway. let’s again forget the absurd delusions of a peaceful transition. An Algerian solution would be surprisingly mild, all things considered. That is the price of all extreme nationalist and racist indoctrination: once the smart ones flee, the remainder are suicidal. [emphasis added]

        link to mondoweiss.net

        ———————-

        Again, please explain how this “inevitable” regional conflagration is going “reshape it all”. (link to mondoweiss.net)

        Why is a regional war “inevitable”? How will it start? How will it play out? What will the U.S. reaction be? Will Israel be occupied by foreign troops? Details, please.

      • echinococcus
        March 1, 2016, 2:52 pm

        Rosross,

        Considering the recent past since 1945, I fail to see any evidence that would make probable a US reaction as you envisage against deliberate –let’s say more consistent. accelerated genocide. And the only one that counts right now is the US.
        Do you really think Palestinians are more important to the US than the Kurds or the Tutsi?

      • echinococcus
        March 1, 2016, 3:14 pm

        Sibiriak,

        “Speaking of powder-pink glasses, your position is:

        *BDS is toxic Zionist crap”

        Certainly not. Collaborating with the Zionists who right now are trying to direct and restrict the boycott and sanctions movement to the post-1967 (or post-1948) occupation only, and those among the Palestinian solidarity movement who continue to play footsie with these Zionists, certainly are creating a lot of damage. But BDS by itself is a worthwile movement.
        To imagine that by itself it will bring down an incrusted, suicidal, crazy ideological movement is of course the summum of naive thinking.

        “*Effective international sanctions are impossible”
        Impossible, no. They are possible and it all depends from the Zionist-pwned US.

        “* Palestinian resistance is hopeless”
        Oh no. Once rid of their Oslo traitors and with clear goals, as they had before 82, they will start being effective. How effective without a concomitant all-out war against the Zionist entity, that I don’t know, because there’s also this race by the Zionists to finish the genocide before effective resistance is organized.

        “* We need a “regional conflagration” to bring Israel down and usher in a single Palestinian state where most of the Zionist invaders will flee and the remaining would be at the mercy of the new Palestinian regime.”

        That the majority of the Zionist Herrenvolk will flee the restoration of Palestinian sovereignty or fight it to the death is obvious. That, even in the optimistic case of the Palestinians offering citizenship to all the Herrenvolk population (which they are not obliged to do in any case.)
        We have a model to study very seriously, much more relevant thanSouth Africa: that is Algeria.

        “Again, please explain how this “inevitable” regional conflagration is going “reshape it all”
        How the hell do I know? The only thing I know with almost certainty is that, in the absence of a successful genocide of the Palestinians, they don’t seem more likely to give up than, say, the Algerians did, and that no regional power balance has lasted forever in known history. With the amount of animosity continuously being created by the US and the Zionists, and the now emerging powers, some free-for-all in the area is very likely, and the Palestinian people will probably be courted and supported by different parties.

        As for your use of “at the mercy of the Palestinians” I very much resent that. Invaders cannot demand.

  9. eljay
    February 27, 2016, 11:43 am

    … Despite the obvious challenges, can Israel transform itself from a colonial/settler state into a more democratic society? …

    It can if it abandons the religion-supremacist ideology of Zionism and embraces justice, accountability and equality.

    But Zio-supremacists have spent decades doing everything in their power to ensure that justice, accountability and equality do not undermine Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

    And, unfortunately, they show no sign of wanting to change their evil ways.

  10. oldgeezer
    February 27, 2016, 1:19 pm

    You may well be right as to how this may play out.

    The declaration by Israel is not relevant. It was mere subterfuge and there was no intent to actually follow it in any way. Certainly not for those expelled or murdered. And certainly not for the non Jewish citizens who remained.

    That zionism may evolve into a kinder gentler form is a given. There are unlimited future scenarios and that is but one of them. And it is not one of them which is on the horizon. It is mere wishful thinking. Communism and nazism may have evolved into kinder gentler forms as well. Or may not.

    We are in the present and in that present Israel is a racist rigue state whose citizens are not powerless to a dictatorship but fully enjoy and support the depraved actio s of their government. And yes there is a network of supporting states.

    It is our dury as citizens of those states to break that support or be complicit in the crimes against humanity.
    It is our duty to do the moral thing and support the Palestinians against their immoral oppressors.

    • Fred Schlomka
      February 28, 2016, 4:05 am

      oldgeezer – Actually the socialism of Scandinavian countries can be seen as a kinder gentler version of Communism.

      Comparing Zionism to totalitarian or dictatorial regimes does no-one a service, and illustrates a lack of knowledge on how the political system in Israel functions.

      Yes, oppose the crimes of the state. Yes, support Palestinian liberation, but look at all the facts on the ground, not just the ones that support a particularist view of Zionism.

      • oldgeezer
        February 28, 2016, 9:54 am

        @Fred

        While I would disagree with your assessment of of socialism as a milder gentler version of communism I don’t think it is relevant to the point which I will reiterate in a second. Given that they are democracies, respect private property rights and have large private sector economies you could equally argue it is a kinder gentler capitalism. In short though it is a morph of neither.

        I made no comparison of Israeli politics to totalitarian regimes in any way. I merely pointed out that had we ignored, or even worse, supported such regimes sure they may have morphed over time. That it could happen is not a reason it should have been tolerated or supported. This whole morphing business is rank speculation and kinder gentler is mere wishful thinking. It is just as likely to morph into something far far worse. How you could possibly suggest I made such a comparison greatly amuses me. It did enable you misconstrue the point and evade the issue

        Like others I appreciate the article and your interaction. Have a great one and thanks for your time.

      • Misterioso
        February 29, 2016, 8:08 pm

        No matter how you slice and dice it, Zionism is racism, Zionism is theft.

        As for the entity know as “Israel,” within 10 years it will be in a state of severe decline, because of what it is, i.e., a major strategic liability for the West and a millstone around America’s neck. It is a useless “ally” that only makes enemies for the West and the US. Palestine has known many conquerors and occupiers over the millennia. The Zionist project will be one of the very shortest.

        Time, international law, morality, and most importantly, demographics, are with the Palestinians and their fellow dispossessed, occupied, oppressed and brutalized Arabs. There are currently 1.75 billion Muslims worldwide. In 10-20 years there will be 3 billion. There will also be about 600 million Arabs, including around 10 million Palestinians between the River and the Sea, about 150 million Iranians and 150 million Turks. (Meanwhile, Jewish emigration from Israel is increasing with more and more Jews planning to leave and immigration is in free fall.) Where do the Western world and America’s geopolitical and economic interests lie? Certainly not with Israel, an historical anachronism. The handwriting is on the wall. Read it!!! One state with an Arab majority is inevitable. Have your kids learn Arabic.

  11. rosross
    February 27, 2016, 10:25 pm

    The moment Israel made two states impossible was the moment it made one State with equal rights for indigenous and coloniser alike the only outcome. And yes, the same outcome as all other colonisers, excepting, like South Africa, the indigenous will be the majority.

    Whether the State retains the name Israel is the question and it is highly unlikely that it will.

  12. Stogumber
    February 28, 2016, 3:10 am

    Even if I see the parallel Israel-U.S., I don’t see a parallel outcome. The United States won their war, because the Natives were (a) decimated, (b) economically inflexible, (c) uneducated, and (d) became alcoholics – so they are no danger nowadays. and the U.S. can afford a “liberal” policy. Are Palestinians as decimated, as economically inflexible, as uneducated, as prone to alcohol and thus as harmless as American Natives?

  13. Ossinev
    February 28, 2016, 6:33 am

    @Fred Schlomka
    “Yes they are still treated as 2nd class citizens, but so are Blacks and native Americans in the USA. We have a constant struggle against racism”

    Not really a viable comparison Fred. In Israel the “treatment” of Arab Citizens is built into Government legislation. Not so in the US.
    link to mondoweiss.net

    • Fred Schlomka
      February 28, 2016, 7:24 am

      Not true Ossinev –
      Native Americans only got the vote in the 1920s (150 years after the founding of the state), and their present legal status and so-called ‘sovereign territories’ is a joke – on a par with the Autonomy of the Palestinian Authority. The treatment of Native Americans and the United States colonial territories of Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and Cuba is also built in to United States legislation. Both Israel and the USA need to give up on colonial adventurism.

      • Mooser
        February 28, 2016, 1:23 pm

        “Fred Schlomka”, I think you are a very commendable person! A Zionist, and yet you are making every possible effort to raise Mondo’s web profile and stats.

        You’re a good man “Freddie”.

  14. Ossinev
    February 28, 2016, 10:53 am

    Sorry Fred I don`t think we are on the same airplane. I am talking about Arab citizens who are registered citizens of Israel. I am not talking about the Occupied Territories or Gaza and the treatment of the people of those territories which is a separate issue.

    As for”colonial adventurism”. I don`t think Zionists were ever “adventurists” in terms of seeking to acquire territories. The only territory which they ever really wanted to colonise and which they have colonised is Palestine aka Israel and the Occupied Territories. There are some within Israeli society and Government who haven`t given up on the idea of another military ” adventure ” into Lebanon once their 2006 wounds have healed. Thankfully there are wiser heads in Israel who realise that the IDF ground troop abilities 2016 are even more pathetic than in 2006 and that they might panic and run if once again faced with a real war against real fighters as opposed to defenceless Palestinian families.

    The only”colonial adventures” which Israel is still engaged in are eg 3.00 am raids on Palestinian homes , the occasional bored IDF sniper target practice kill and the pumping of live ammunition into defenceless teenagers. Oh I forgot the skunk water – I suppose it could be classed as a “colonial adventure”.

    • John O
      February 28, 2016, 12:02 pm

      Oh I forgot the skunk water – I suppose it could be classed as a “colonial adventure”.

      Sort of “Eau de Colonial”. I’ll get me coat.

  15. Fred Schlomka
    February 28, 2016, 12:07 pm

    OldGeezer wrote:

    -“There is no truth to the claim that hi tech depends on Israeli developed technology. Israelis have made many significant contributions to science but the claim is a distortion of reality and also ignores the reality of today’s multinational corporations . – ”

    Your statement shows a lack of information regarding the status of high tech in Israel. Much of the Research & Development of Microsoft, Google, Apple, Ebay, and FaceBook, among others, is conducted in Israel. All these companies and more have massive facilities here. The largest manufacturing plant of Intel chips is in Israel. The last few upgrades of Google Maps was largely a result of Google’s purchase of Waze, an Israeli startup they bought for an obscene amount of cash.

    Israel today is second only to the USA in Hi Tech startups of software and hardware development. Israeli Hi Tech partnerships with Chinese companies are now growing at an ever increasing rate. It’s a globalised world. This is (fortunately or unfortunately) one of the realities that will buoy up the Zionist Regime in the face of ongoing condemnation. The international corporate world cannot afford the demise of the Jewish State.

    This will be my last comment response. One of the reasons I asked Phil to publish the article on this platform was to take a bit of a pulse of the anti-Zionist public. Thank you for your comments.

    • MHughes976
      February 28, 2016, 1:17 pm

      If you were taking our pulse – there’s a certain condescension in that phrase – I hope you noticed that it has a rational rhythm. Human rights are not to be set aside by claims based on ancestry or ancestral religion. Any attempt to set them aside is bound to be attended by monstrous cruelty. The rational reaction to such things includes impatience and mistrust, not quiet confidence that the be felicitates of injustice will one day put things right. Any analogy with Manifest Destiny is terrifying, not reassuring. Mention of hi-tech start-ups and suchlike in this context is somewhere between irrelevant and disturbing. But now I’m getting emotional and my pulse is quickening.

      • MHughes976
        February 28, 2016, 1:51 pm

        How ‘felicitates’ crept in – at least it wasn’t ‘fellates’ – I don’t know. I meant ‘beneficiaries’.

    • echinococcus
      February 28, 2016, 1:23 pm

      The Antizionist public is still against Zionism.

    • Mooser
      February 28, 2016, 2:07 pm

      “This will be my last comment response. One of the reasons I asked Phil to publish the article on this platform was…”

      Ah, but think about this, “Freddie” : The reasons that Mondo did publish the article may not be the same reasons you “asked Phil to publish the article on this platform”.

      But please, don’t worry, all the stuff you said in comments will be in a permanent archive, a testimony to Israel’s technical superiority. Everybody who goes to your Olive tours website will probably bump into it, one way or another.

      • talknic
        February 28, 2016, 7:39 pm

        @ Mooser “Everybody who goes to your Olive tours website …”

        I’ve written to Fred thru the Olive tours email asking if he has in fact been posting here …

        Somehow with that familiar waft growing stronger and stronger as the alleged Fred’s postings went on, I doubt it very much

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 11:18 am

        “I doubt it very much…”

        You do? Not me, not a bit. All kinds of opportunism flourishes in colonial settlement and occupation.

    • Mooser
      February 28, 2016, 2:19 pm

      “The international corporate world cannot afford the demise of the Jewish State.”

      Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei “hooray” Look, Ma, we’re court Jews for the “international corporate world”
      I can’t think of a better and more secure position for us!

      Is that your way of reassuring yourself that justice for Palestinians can’t be achieved without offending the “international corporate world” which supports the Jews (cause of our smarts)? Wow. Immunity and impunity for Israel, with every cell-phone call!

    • talknic
      February 28, 2016, 6:08 pm

      @ Fred Schlomka “Much of the Research & Development of Microsoft, Google, Apple, Ebay, and FaceBook, among others, is conducted in Israel. “

      Correction ‘SOME of the Research & Development of Microsoft, Google, Apple, Ebay, and FaceBook, among others, is conducted in Israel.’

      “The largest manufacturing plant of Intel chips is in Israel.”

      Vietnam link to google.com.au

      “The last few upgrades of Google Maps was largely a result of Google’s purchase of Waze”

      Waze gives directions, it doesn’t map, never has.

      This will be my last comment response”

      Why am I not surprised?

      • oldgeezer
        February 28, 2016, 6:15 pm

        @talknic
        I am not surprised either. Despite being gently apprised of their errors some people doyble down on stupid. It should be noted that it is’t just Vietnam but what was formerly regarded as the hi tech powerhouse ((oops probably still a trademark)) of North Vietnam.

        I sense an overdose of ziocaine even if he is moderately towards the center.

        Fred spewing propaganda, or even more gently referred to as marketi g B/S, doesn’t convince anyone with actual knowledge.

      • oldgeezer
        February 28, 2016, 6:17 pm

        Actually l,if I may add, Fred reminds me of naftali bennet stati g er must make thevworld believe we are valuable.

        Israelis are. No more and no less than anyone else.

      • just
        February 28, 2016, 6:18 pm

        Thanks for your comments, talknic~ always informative.

    • rosross
      February 28, 2016, 9:31 pm

      It is laughable the argument that Israel is vital to the world because of technology. Beyond the fact it is simply not true, the Indians, Chinese, Americans, Koreans and many others would be surprised to learn that Israel is so crucial!!!!

      Beyond which, tyrannies can produce many things of value but that is no reason to support them.

      Israel is a tiny country which does well in a few areas, mainly because it has immigrants trained and educated outside of Israel, but that skills base is in decline, but in world terms it is tiny and if it stopped production of everything tomorrow, would not be missed.

      And there is no Jewish State since Israel does not represent Judaism and most Jews do not live in UN mandated Israel. The tiny State of Israel is an American satrapy, bankrolled for US vested agendas, which is irrelevant to the long-term future of the world in any technological sense.

      More than a billion Chinese and more than a billion Indians could take care of any ‘gap’ the demise of the apartheid state of Israel left.

      Although the question must be, why is apartheid and occupation needed for Israeli productivity? Surely in the one-state solution those who are doing what they are doing can keep on doing it?

    • Dan
      February 28, 2016, 10:38 pm

      “The international corporate world cannot afford the demise of the Jewish State”

      I have some familiarity with the IT world, but even if I didn’t I think this would strike me as a dubious statement.

      Yes, currently the Israeli high tech environment is an incubator for some cutting edge work (but of course not the only place), and if for some reason that changed, capital, both financial and intellectual, would just go somewhere else. Also I suspect that international capital is indifferent to the political arrangements on the ground, be it two states or one, so long as there is stability and legal protections for businesses.

      However to be fair to the author, and to address some more misleading comments from Talknic, Google maps also gives directions, it doesn’t just map, and was a competitor to Waze before Google purchased it.There is some evidence that, as Schlomka said, Google maps has used Waze technology in a previous upgrade, although to what extent and how important I don’t know.

      Quote from the Website below:
      “And there are still a lot of Wazers out there, even after Google acquired the app and rolled almost all of its best functionality into Google Maps.”
      link to theverge.com

      Also:
      link to technobuffalo.com

      • talknic
        February 29, 2016, 1:59 am

        @ Dan “… and to address some more misleading comments from Talknic, Google maps also gives directions, it doesn’t just map, and was a competitor to Waze …”

        I didn’t say anything misleading. I think folk already knew Google Maps gave directions and that Waze was a competitor in giving directions

        “There is some evidence that, as Schlomka said, Google maps has used Waze technology in a previous upgrade, although to what extent and how important I don’t know.”

        Here, verbatim is what the alleged Schlomka wrote

        “The last few upgrades of Google Maps was largely a result of Google’s purchase of Waze” – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

        They’ve used some of Waze technology for giving faster directions, within Google’s maps

        !st link link to theverge.com
        “Google Maps Using Waze Data to Offer Faster Directions”

        2nd link link to technobuffalo.com
        “Google Maps Using Waze Data to Offer Faster Directions”

      • ritzl
        February 29, 2016, 10:59 am

        Dan: “…it would would just go somewhere else.”

        Bingo. That’s like a business Law of Gravity that completely negates all these absurd high tech indespensability claims, yet somehow something so basic and universal never seems to filter into the thinking. It makes the propagandists look foolish.

        ▶Them: “There are no substitutes!”

        ▶Immutable Reality: There are ALWAYS substitutes.

        ▶▶Dan’s Corollary to Immutable Reality: Financial and intellectual resources will ALWAYS seek out and find those substitutes.

        —-
        PS. Thanks talknic. You make things clear.

      • Dan
        February 29, 2016, 6:36 pm

        @Talknic

        “I didn’t say anything misleading. I think folk already knew Google Maps gave directions and that Waze was a competitor”

        So you knew that “direction” functionality is what both Google Maps and Waze have in common but you still wrote the irrelevant comment:

        “Waze gives directions, it doesn’t map, never has.” in a failed attempt to show up the author when if fact it doesn’t contradict or counter what he wrote. WOW

        Maybe Ritzl can explain that.

      • talknic
        February 29, 2016, 9:14 pm

        @ Dan

        “So you knew that “direction” functionality is what both Google Maps and Waze have in common but you still wrote the irrelevant comment ….. in a failed attempt to show up the author when if fact it doesn’t contradict or counter what he wrote. WOW”

        It’s your bee in your bonnet

        I based my comment on my understanding of how Waze worked when it was introduced using base maps for places like India, Spain, Italy, France, e.g., Tiger maps in the US. The Waze user interface also used the Bing Maps aerial view

        Google Maps is using use Google Maps. Waze adds navigation/direction functionality etc to Google Maps

  16. just
    February 28, 2016, 12:42 pm

    Interesting and related piece by Gideon Levy…

    “Israel’s New Line of Propaganda Puts Orwell to Shame …

    An all-American youngster – fair-haired, regular churchgoer – returns from his morning run and decides to join the boycott against Israel. He has heard of the BDS movement and about the oppression and occupation, so he collects everything in his home that was made in Israel or by companies trading with it – just about everything he has – and starts shooting the products. Suddenly, another young man appears and suggests he shoot the Bible, since that too was made in Israel. The shooter recoils. He gets the message that appears at the end of the video: “Don’t boycott God. Buy Israeli products.”

    This video was produced by HaYovel, an organization founded by Tennessee couple Tommy and Sherri Waller. He once worked with Federal Express, she is a passionate restoration advocate – of families and “the nation of Israel,” as their website says. Their mission is to bring volunteers from America to help “the Israeli farmers,” i.e. the settlers. The organization’s website enables donations and even to pray for the settlers. Another video on the site shows U.S. veterans volunteering in the vineyard of the West Bank settlement of Har Bracha.

    There are plenty of wacky rightist organizations. But the youngster who persuaded his friend not to boycott Israel said something else. “Most Palestinians aren’t oppressed. Those who are – are oppressed by their own government. Israel provides them with work, free electricity, health care and loads of humanitarian aid. I was there and saw it.”

    Tons of aid or not, it is not only HaYovel that spreads these absurd falsehoods. And these tainted goods now have much more serious sellers: the Israeli government. It is doubtful whether it has more serious buyers than the grotesque U.S. veterans at Har Bracha.
    The propagandist in the video says the same things Israel’s prime minister is saying.

    Addressing his British counterpart David Cameron, who let slip a rare word of criticism of the occupation in Jerusalem, Benjamin Netanyahu preached, “Only Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem guarantees the city’s Arab residents’ roads, clinics, workplaces and other means of normal life that Arabs across the Middle East don’t enjoy.” He said it as an insult to Cameron’s intelligence.

    One may, of course, suspect that Israel’s propagandists are guiding HaYovel and similar groups. Or perhaps great minds think alike. But it’s impossible to ignore the embarrassing change that has occurred in Israel’s propaganda.

    Nobody in the world speaks seriously about the peace process anymore. No one believes that the Israeli government is interested in peace, while the two-state solution is nothing but a monument. At a time like this, propaganda must reinvent itself. Israel can’t say “There’s no partner,” because it’s clear it doesn’t want to talk to the Palestinians. Israel can’t say “two states,” because it’s clear it doesn’t mean it.

    But Israel must say something, so it is now resorting to the Orwellian propaganda of lies and deceit, the likes of which even George Orwell himself couldn’t have imagined; he didn’t even go so far in “1984.”

    The new Israeli “public diplomacy” (hasbara) consists of three principles, at least two of which are outright lies: there is no occupation; the Palestinians are living contented lives; God giveth.

    Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely has drafted the new line, following Netanyahu. “The occupation is not an occupation,” she said in all seriousness to Yossi Verter this weekend, adding something about a biblical right. Naturally, this is good news. According to Israel’s spokespeople, the Palestinians’ situation is wonderful, they’re neither oppressed nor occupied – joyful tidings! … there’s more: the world is stupid, and so are the Israelis. So the government finds it easy to sell them anything.

    And the best news is that official Israel is pulling its rusty day-of-judgement weapon of yore out of the attic: there’s a God, so there’s no occupation. In the early days of the occupation, a few wackos used to wander around trying to sell us this merchandise. Not many were convinced. Dredging up this weapon again confirms that Israel has run out of arguments. We’re left only with the delusion and lies.”

    read more: link to haaretz.com

    • Mooser
      February 28, 2016, 1:44 pm

      “Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely has drafted the new line, following Netanyahu. “The occupation is not an occupation,” she said in all seriousness to Yossi Verter this weekend, adding something about a biblical right.”

      Well, “The occupation is over, isn’t it”?

  17. Steve Macklevore
    February 28, 2016, 12:56 pm

    “Every hi tech device in the world depends on Israeli developed technology – every computer, smartphone and tablet likely has value added by an Israeli company.”

    I’ve worked in I.T for nearly 30 years and I don’t accept that statement for one second. It’s hasbara bullshit, completely unsup[ported by any evidence beyond ancedotes. The idea that Israel is some kind of vital state to the world economy is laughable.

    • oldgeezer
      February 28, 2016, 2:27 pm

      @Steve

      My (almost) 40 years agrees with yours. You said what I wanted to actually say.

  18. Mooser
    February 28, 2016, 1:49 pm

    “Every hi tech device in the world depends on Israeli developed technology – every computer, smartphone and tablet likely has value added by an Israeli company.” “

    Oh, wait, I’m looking now, at my computer: Holey Gamole, “Fred” is right! That’s not a “UL” sticker, it’s just a “U” in a circle!

    Hey, what the hell is this? I can’t use my printer during Passover? I need different cartridges? Oy Gevalt…, I should have paid for the extra value added model.

  19. ritzl
    February 28, 2016, 2:05 pm

    It’s ***OCCUPIED PALESTINE.*** The only countries in the world who don’t recognize that (67 borders) officially are the ones in which the IsraelI Lobby dictates the terms.

    The use of occupied territories is Israel-speak designed to negate Palestinian identity.

    Israel is moving its people into OCCUPIED PALESTINE.

    Instead of the engineered vagueness of “Israel is taking territory…”, the more specific phrasing of “Israel is taking parts of PALESTINE” identifies the problem, the [il]legalities, the reason for resistance (Israel is not colonizing Antarctica, it’s colonizing someone’s home and they don’t like it – as NO ONE would.), and on and on and on and on and on.

    Use of “territory” in any but the most generic descriptive contexts masks all this at-a-glance insight and makes the Palestinians look like raving lunatics who irrationally covet land that they have no claim to.

    Seems to me that vagueness is a big part of the problem as Palestinians continue present there case. Few listening make the personal and abhorrent connection of what if MY (I.e. ultimate good and rational “me”) home was being stolen and Israel forced me to live in my own basement on a 1500 calorie diet.

    I will never understand how people who seek big behavioral change in others can fail so mightily to make very small behavioral changes in themselves. …How they constantly diminish the people they claim to want to help by adopting Israeli terminology designed and promoted to plant the thought that “Palestinians are invented” and therefore ignorable.

    It’s non-serious behavior.

    • just
      February 28, 2016, 2:14 pm

      +1, ritzl~ spot- on !!!

    • rosross
      February 28, 2016, 9:22 pm

      @ritzl,

      Absolutely correct and correcting Zionspeak is important.

      They are not Arabs they are Palestinians.

      It is not the West Bank it is Occupied Palestine.

      It is not Occupied Territories it is Occupied Palestine.

      It is not Gaza city it is the concentration camp of Gaza.

  20. just
    February 28, 2016, 2:37 pm

    Perhaps the folks @ Green Olive Tours can lend a hand and petition for equal human rights and freedom for this man…

    “Israel imprisons Palestinian tour guide

    Palestinian tour guide and youth organizer Daoud al-Ghoul was sentenced to 18 months in prison last week. An Israeli court convicted him of membership in a prohibited organization.

    Sources close to al-Ghoul told The Electronic Intifada that he was accused of being a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a Marxist political party banned by Israel.

    Al-Ghoul had already spent months in jail before last week’s trial and sentencing. In June last year, he was called in for questioning at the Israeli interrogation center in Jerusalem known as the Russian Compound and subsequently arrested. That came after a months-long order banning him from Jerusalem, the city of his birth and lifelong residence.

    In December 2014, al-Ghoul and four other Jerusalem activists were expelled from Jerusalem for four months. Israel declared that the men were a danger to public security, based on secret evidence which they were prohibited from seeing or disputing.

    Israel twice renewed the ban on al-Ghoul’s ability to visit Jerusalem or the West Bank, lengthening the ban to six months.

    Secret file
    Al-Ghoul likened the orders to administrative detention, Israel’s practice of indefinitely imprisoning Palestinians without charge or trial.

    “We don’t have any information,” al-Ghoul told Middle East Eye at the time of his expulsion. “The Israeli police are saying it was a secret file. And in the Israeli file they tell me they are saying that I am a danger to the Israeli state.”

    Al-Ghoul also received orders banning him from the rest of the occupied West Bank and prohibiting him from traveling abroad, so he temporarily relocated to Haifa, a city in present-day Israel.

    “We are not afraid,” al-Ghoul told The Electronic Intifada soon after receiving the expulsion orders. “We are fighting for our future and we have nothing to lose. We refuse this decision. It is our homeland. It is our basic right to live in our houses in Jerusalem.”…”

    much more @ link to electronicintifada.net

    • Mooser
      February 28, 2016, 3:00 pm

      Thanks, “just”.

      • just
        February 28, 2016, 5:20 pm

        You’re welcome, Mooser.

  21. Kay24
    February 28, 2016, 8:15 pm

    I have to wonder how many attempts were made by the zionists to stop this documentary from being made and publicized. Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen are two brave souls.

    link to indiegogo.com

  22. rosross
    February 28, 2016, 9:13 pm

    @ Sibiriak,

    The UN is toothless and can impose nothing. World opinion can however and BDS and the Americans certainly could turn off the tap.

    A two-state solution is impossible. Too late for that. It would need to have been two fully independent States with exactly the same rights and full control over all borders, contiguous borders, with East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital or better, Jerusalem belonging to the world as an international city.

    • Kay24
      February 28, 2016, 10:20 pm

      Obama is looking like he has succeeded so far with the Iran nuclear deal, while the blood thirsty war monger from zio lands looks like he, once again was WRONG. Still, we should not forget that many, many American leaders supported the trouble maker, and that the GOP clowns running for President, still calls the Iran nuclear deal a huge mistake. By now, if that lunatic from TelAviv had his way (he would have if there had been a GOP President) Iran would have been bombed back to the stone age.

      link to addictinginfo.org

    • Sibiriak
      February 28, 2016, 10:53 pm

      rosross: The UN is toothless and can impose nothing. World opinion can however and BDS and the Americans certainly could turn off the tap.
      ————

      In your imaginary case of open mass expulsion via trucks etc., the UN would authorize action, others would take the action. Nothing unusual there. Not toothless. The U.S. military/ international sanctions are sharp teeth.

      A two-state solution is impossible

      Proof? I’ll wait.

      World opinion can however and BDS

      BDS calls for the end of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory occupied in 1967. If that happens, there will be two states de facto as well as de jure.

      with East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital or better, Jerusalem belonging to the world as an international city.

      If East Jerusalem were the Palestinian capital, Jerusalem would not be an international city. Palestine would surely want sovereingty over it’s own capital!

      • Sibiriak
        February 29, 2016, 12:33 am

        @rossross:

        Ignore my last remark about East Jerusalem; I believe I misconstrued your “our better” phrase.

      • RoHa
        February 29, 2016, 4:36 am

        An understandable misconstruction. Rossross omitted (accidentally, no doubt) a vital comma. He should have written “with East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital or, better, Jerusalem belonging to the world as an international city.”

        See why I keep banging on about punctuation?

      • RoHa
        February 29, 2016, 7:14 am

        And with two extra commas it would be even clearer.

        “… with East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital, or, better, Jerusalem belonging to the world as an international city.”

      • eljay
        February 29, 2016, 7:21 am

        || RoHa: And with two extra commas it would be even clearer. ||

        Does this, apply in all cases, or, only in certain, cases? :-)

      • RoHa
        February 29, 2016, 10:42 am

        Only in some cases. Inserting commas where they do not belong* can be just as confusing as omitting them from places where they are needed.

        (* For example, inserting a comma after a subject clause. This mistake is very common among MW posters. Part of the problem seems to be failure to understand the role of commas in distinguishing defining relative clauses from non-defining relative clauses. I wish Bob the Angry Flower would produce a rant on the topic.)

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 1:44 pm

        ” Part of the problem seems to be failure to understand the role of commas in distinguishing defining relative clauses from non-defining relative clauses.”

        Comma-comma-comma-comma-c’mon! Hey writers gather round, listen to what he’s putting down, he’s your Grammar Man. When you pick up a pencil, don’t be a fool, he’s handy with structure and he ain’t no fool! He’ll fix broken syntax, you know that he surely can.

        Just don’t break our hearts and tell us there’s no sanity clause. Okay, he’s probably not a relative of mine but you never know. He’s brought me stuff.

    • irishmoses
      March 2, 2016, 3:59 pm

      rosross,
      The UN is toothless so long as a veto prevents action. To see the potential power of the UN and a US-led concerted effort to end the occupation, you need only look at the first Gulf War and how the UN condemned the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and then authorized the US-led military action to force Iraq to leave Kuwait.

      The two state solution is the only outcome that will work without another mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians or a permanent state of apartheid.

      Moreover, it still remains possible and do-able if the UN is empowered by a Security Council vote and a US-led coalition (a la Gulf War 1). The UN could direct the US to assume control of all occupied territories, remove all settlers, and transition Palestinian territory to full Palestinian sovereignty. The US could enter the West Bank though Jordan and Gaza through Egypt. While Israel could resist, it would be a losing proposition and would cause it to lose any support in the West not to mention total destruction of its military.

      Assuming Israel accedes to US/UN jurisdiction and occupation of the Palestinian territories, what about all the settlements and some 750,000 Jewish settlers? Removing them would be a fairly easy, relatively peaceful task: Surround them, cut off all access, all water, all electricity, and all resupply, and wait them out. Give them a date certain (say 30 days) after which they would forfeit all assets and any right to resettlement and compensation.

      As to a civil war within Israel proper, I think that is unlikely so long as the IDF is removed from the territories and any responsibility for removing settlers. All the settlements would become the property of the Palestinian state and used to resettle Palestinian refugees, both internal and external.

      This is the only solution that guarantees a future democratic Israel (with a 75 percent Jewish majority). No single state solution does that without massive ethnic cleansing of Palestinians or permanent apartheid.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2016, 4:12 pm

        “Removing them would be a fairly easy, relatively peaceful task: Surround them, cut off all access, all water, all electricity, and all resupply, and wait them out. Give them a date certain (say 30 days) after which they would forfeit all assets and any right to resettlement and compensation.”

        Is that legal?

        “The US could enter the West Bank though Jordan and Gaza through Egypt. While Israel could resist, it would be a losing proposition and would cause it to lose any support in the West not to mention total destruction of its military.”

        Wow, this could get exciting, the US attacking “Israel” by way of Jordan and Egypt.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2016, 4:24 pm

        “This is the only solution that guarantees a future democratic Israel (with a 75 percent Jewish majority).”

        ROTFLMSJAO! Look, “irishmoses” I enjoyed sex as much as the next person (who was usually me) but if you are going to make the two-state solution contingent on our birth-rate, isn’t that sort of an imposition?

        I mean, starving (and no water?) out the settlers, sure, could happen, the US attacking Israel from Jordan and Egypt to impose a two-state solution, hey, I’m holding my breath. But don’t ask for the impossible.
        After all, if Israel is subjected to the treatment you describe, why would 75% want to hang around, and make sure the very distinction which defeated them is kept as a governing principle? Why would they do that?
        What the heck do you want out of us?

      • echinococcus
        March 2, 2016, 4:39 pm

        Keep dreaming, friend. The US is pwned, to use a trendy word.

        The two state solution is the only outcome that will work without another mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians or a permanent state of apartheid

        There is one more solution, which is maturing: the Palestinian resistance getting rid of its traitor “administrators” and doing resistance in earnest, making all of these fake “solutions” impracticable, gathering enough force to stop everything. It’s not impossible. Algerians had much narrower odds. Albanians too, and lo and behold, they got the Germans out before they even started losing on the Eastern front. A more responsible, more credible Palestinian resistance will also encourage the timid overtures by some Europeans, Russians and regional powers. No one can predict how, but that is the only acceptable solution given the Zionist-US lockdown.

        Besides, there is no way to avoid the “mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians” (I imagine you mean genocide, as currently already active.) That’s part and parcel of the open Zionist program and I can’t name the force that can stop that. The Zionist-pwned US? Yarright.

  23. Sibiriak
    February 29, 2016, 2:52 am

    My response:

    Part 1 “Occupation”

    Is this Occupation? Is this colonization? Is this Apartheid?

    It’s all three. Israel is occupying Palestinian territory; Israeli settlements and the “matrix of control” are part of an illegal colonization project; Israel has instituted an illegal Apartheid regime in Occupied Palestine.

    It’s time to recognize the passage of the “invisible line of history”, lay the term ‘Occupation” to rest…

    That’s certainly what many Zionists would like. The term “occupation” is anathema to them. They prefer “disputed territories”, “Israeli-administered territories”, “Judea and Samaria”—anything but “Occupied Palestine.”

    Why? Why the vast, coordinated Zionist campaign to ditch the “occupation” label?

    International law

    **If the territory in question was not under belligerent occupation, the Geneva conventions would not apply, and it is precisely the GC that make Israeli settlements in OP illegal. If there is no Occupation, there are no illegal settlements.

    **The ICJ has ruled that the apartheid Wall and the occupation matrix of control are illegal precisely because the territory in question is Palestinian territory. If there is no Occupation, there is no illegal apartheid Wall.

    **The ICJ has ruled that the Palestinian people have a right to self-determination in their own territory. If there is no Occupation, there is no obvious Palestinian right to self-determination in that territory.

    [The Court ruled] on the fundamental principles that frame the legal relationship between Israel and Palestine – namely, that international humanitarian law, including the 1949 Geneva Convention IV relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, and international human rights law apply in the occupied Palestinian territory; that the Palestinian people has a right of self-determination that must be fully protected; and that Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are unlawful, as the breach Geneva Convention IV, article 49.6 [emphasis added

    “The Israel­Palestine Conflict in International Law: Territorial Issues” (Introduction, p.X) link to soas.ac.uk
    —————

    A multitude of UN resolutions affirm the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war outside a state’s boundaries and call for Israeli withdrawal from Occupied Territory.

    Should state territory, in whole or part, be occupied by another state as a result of hostilities, the law of belligerent occupation precludes its annexation. This is a consequence of Article 43 of the Regulations annexed to the 1907 Hague Convention IV respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land… [p.88]

    link to soas.ac.uk

    **The concept of Occupation is deeply embedded in all those UN resolutions; they would become essentially meaningless if the concept were abandoned.
    —————-
    [Fred ] The fundamental question is whether the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 have passed an invisible line of history and are now an indivisible and integral part of the Israeli sovereign sphere. [emphasis added]

    “Israeli sovereign sphere” is an extremely dubious concept. Either the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel or they are not. International law says clearly they are not. Israel cannot legally annex any part of Palestinian territory. To the extent that Israel exercises sovereignty over those areas, it does so as a belligerent Occupying Power.

    The War of Ideas

    Even if International Law cannot be enforced at this time because of U.S. support for Israel, it still is a potent weapon in the “war of ideas”. Demonstrating that Israel is in violation of international law is a critical weapon of delegitimization.

    The phrases such as: “Israel’s illegal occupation”. “the illegal settlements” etc. have great resonance with global public opinion. “End the Occupation” is an extremely effective anti-Zionist slogan.

    It’s noteworthy that although Fred S. calls for the term “Occupation” to be laid to rest, he himself uses the term multiple times. What substitute expressions would he suggest using in these statements of his:

    ”Israel’s Jewish population has expanded into occupied territory…”
    “The new light rail system in Jerusalem reaches deep into occupied territory …”
    “…facilitating de facto annexation of more than half the Occupied Territories.”
    “…take a fresh look at the technical aspects of the Occupation, then certain questions beg to be answered?.

    Think about what the alternative “non-occupation” phrases would be. “Israel’s Jewish population has expanded into Israel’s sovereign sphere/ Greater Israel territory/ Israeli-administered territory” ????

    Clearly, abandoning the term presents huge rhetorical problems for the anti-Zionist movement. It would be a ridiculous “own goal.”

    BDS

    BDS’ first goal is to end the occupation of Palestinian lands occupied in 1967. That goal does not explicitly call for either a two-state or a single-state solution. Instead, the BDS movement has adopted a “rights-based strategy” which, despite its downsides, allows the BDS movement to be as broad-based as possible.

    If the anti-Zionist movement abandons the concept of Occupation, it abandons one of its most powerful polemical and organizing ideas.

    Without the concept of Occupation, the BDS movement would have to re-write its first goal. That would discredit the movement and throw it into complete disarray. Abandoning the Occupation concept would be the death knell for BDS.

    • irishmoses
      March 2, 2016, 3:22 pm

      Per Fred:
      Is this Occupation? Is this colonization? Is this Apartheid?

      It’s all three. Israel is occupying Palestinian territory; Israeli settlements and the “matrix of control” are part of an illegal colonization project; Israel has instituted an illegal Apartheid regime in Occupied Palestine.

      It’s time to recognize the passage of the “invisible line of history”, lay the term ‘Occupation” to rest…”

      I’m in full accord with Siberiak. At best, you can say the legal military occupation has ended and did so when the intent to stay was demonstrated by the Meron memos and the beginnings of permanent, Jews-only settlements in late 1967. The continuing presence and military rule by the IDF since then constitutes an illegal occupation in violation of Geneva, a multifaceted grave violation which constitutes a continuing series of war crimes, now half a century old.

      What we need to put to bed is the delusion that the occupation somehow remains temporary and legal and somehow worthy of continuing settlement negotiations.

  24. Fred Schlomka
    February 29, 2016, 5:08 am

    I’ll just jump in one more time to correct misinformation by a couple of previous posters. It’s always interesting when folks resort to ad hominem remarks rather than addressing the issues at hand.

    For the record, as ‘echinococcus’ chose to selectively stress, I was indeed born outside Palestine. My family became refugees in 1948 after living for 7 generations in Jaffa. My mother’s nationality was Palestinian according to her ID card. My dad was an anti-Nazi/Anti-Zionist communist (too many ists) who had to flee Germany in 1936 after being tortured and incarcerated by the Nazis. After my brother was born in Palestine the family fled along with many other local Jews (an untold story) and ended up in Scotland where he had political allies.

    I have a huge extended family in Palestine/Israel who stretch far back into the Ottoman period, so I came to visit them as a young man, fell in love with the country and have spent about half my time here since the 1970s. My Mom and I used to make trips to Gaza to find her old neighbors who had been kicked out of Jaffa in ’48. Until the post-Oslo period there were regular public buses from Tel Aviv to Gaza City. Now of course it’s impossible.

    The Green Olive Collective is a unique bi-national organisation that has set aside claims of ‘ownership’ or sovereignty if favour of fighting injustice and building democracy. We conduct a mix of activism, education, and economic activity to put bread on our tables, and operate tours, Fair Trade merchandising, a volunteer program, and recently initiated a project to develop co-housing communities for Jews and non-Jews to live together. Most of us don’t give a damn who runs the country so long as justice comes for past crimes, and all of us have equal civil and human rights and can go about our lives in freedom and peace. – all of us. We don’t argue about who was here first or who has more rights because of ancestry or religion.

    We have little time for Zionists who want an ethnically pure state, or for Anti-Zionists who want to punish ‘the Jews’ for past and present misdeeds. We just want to get on with building a future for ourselves and our children. Make no mistake, we will eventually bring about the demise of the present regime. You are welcome to help. We’re just trying to do it without the kind of slaughter that the US and Russia are now supporting in Syria.

    BTW – you’ll note that I use my given name when posting on this forum or any other, despite the flak I often receive from both Zionists and anti-Zionists. I get on average a couple of death threats every month – some from nasty people in the anti-Zionist camp, and some from extreme Zionists. However I like to stand behind my words You all might think about coming out from under the cover of your assumed ‘handles’ when posting. I am happy to correspond privately with any of you. I am easy to find and pm on FaceBook.

    Be well,
    Fred.

    • rugal_b
      February 29, 2016, 7:05 am

      “We’re just trying to do it without the kind of slaughter that the US and Russia are now supporting in Syria”

      Russia is slaughtering terrorist the US so deliberately created and nurtured Frank, and is doing so with the full blessing of Syria’s democratically elected government. Quite sneaky of you to make it sound like we are talking about two equally bad forces.

      “We have little time for Zionists who want an ethnically pure state, or for Anti-Zionists who want to punish ‘the Jews’ for past and present misdeeds. We just want to get on with building a future for ourselves and our children”

      Nobody can really stop you from procreating and nurturing the next generation Frank, the issue is how you go about doing it. You can’t just say the past is the past and move on as if the implications of European invasion of Palestine are no longer causing problems to the native Palestinians and their descendants. Anti-Zionists core demand is for anyone, left wing or ring wing, Zionist or not, that are in Palestine but do not have any recorded ancestral ties to the land recognize their status as immigrants to Palestine. As immigrants, and non-native peoples, it would be your obligation to assimilate into the local cultural and socio-political environment instead of simply “building the future” whichever way you find fancy. You have absolutely no right to do so, unless it is done with the approval and blessing of the native population.

      • rugal_b
        February 29, 2016, 7:07 am

        Sorry Fred, misread your name as Frank. Hope the editors can correct this on my behalf.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 10:18 am

        “Nobody can really stop you from procreating and nurturing the next generation Frank, the issue is how you go about doing it.”

        Frankly, “rugal b” I would tend to think they do it the usual way, and leave it at that. Of course, you never know, maybe they sit-n-spin.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 10:27 am

        “Sorry Fred, misread your name as Frank. Hope the editors can correct this on my behalf.”

        Sorry, “rugal b” all the Editors are either consumed by “self-hatred” or struggling with “internalized antisemitism”. They haven’t had time to do anything but study the ‘three R’s (razor, rope, or revolver?) since you exposed their own grubby soul to them.
        Maybe it’ll be corrected in your archive.

    • echinococcus
      February 29, 2016, 8:26 am

      Thank you for the explanation re the legitimacy of your moving to Palestine as the son of a Palestinian citizen. I’d recommend that you make that clear in your public materials, considering the overwhelming statistical probability of such cases of immigration being criminal.
      For the rest, no sale, sorry. Especially the invitation not to use pseudonyms (in other times such a call would have been enough to brand you as a provocateur –I wouldn’t know now.) Or the US position on the Zionist-requested war of aggression against Syria.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 10:31 am

        “You all might think about coming out from under the cover of your assumed ‘handles’ when posting.”

        Listen “Fred Schmloka”, maybe you ought to think about the fact that “there’s some raw work pulled at the font from time to time” and let it go at that.

      • echinococcus
        February 29, 2016, 2:43 pm

        Mooser,

        Mentioning the font as an instrument may be a nice reminder of PG but it’s a surefire way of getting some people to complain to Fredman or such of anti-Semitism again. We use the knife, not the wussy water.

      • MHughes976
        February 29, 2016, 3:18 pm

        I comment under my real name and Mooser has no compunction about revealing the area of the UK where I live. If you’re taking our pulse and if punitive or vengeful attitudes are concerned I think you’ll notice the lack of vengeful pulses in Professor Dalaita’s remarks, which have been much welcomed here.
        I’m sure you’re doing your best to alleviate the situation, Fred, but that does not provide evidence for your optimism about morphing for the better. I don’t disagree with everything you say but I see no reason to believe in a future morphing process that has not begun in the present.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 3:56 pm

        “and Mooser has no compunction about revealing the area of the UK where I live.”

        My dear MHughes976, I beg your pardon? I don’t think I can or would “reveal” anything about anybody which wasn’t in their own comments or profile.
        And of lovely Berkshire itself, can we say better than to say with the poet, who, when he said it, said a mouthful, and could say that again? (as they say):

        “Thou who wouldst see the lovely and the wild
        Mingled in harmony on Nature’s face,
        Ascend our rocky mountains. Let thy foot
        Fail not with weariness, for on their tops
        The beauty and the majesty of earth,
        Spread wide beneath, shall make thee to forget
        The steep and toilsome way.”

        Sounds like a lovely place.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 4:04 pm

        “We use the knife, not the wussy water.”

        Huh? I thought I was just born lucky.

    • Mooser
      February 29, 2016, 10:20 am

      “I get on average a couple of death threats every month – some from nasty people in the anti-Zionist camp, and some from extreme Zionists.”

      Of course you do. Antizionists are famous for threats and violent actions.
      Oh, BTW, which antizionists have threatened you? You might warn us for our own good, you know.

      • Mooser
        February 29, 2016, 10:40 am

        ” or for Anti-Zionists who want to punish ‘the Jews’ for past and present misdeeds.”

        That’s right, folks, we Jews are exempt, immune from punishment for “past or present misdeeds”. Even writing too many short comments!

    • Mooser
      February 29, 2016, 10:35 am

      “I’ll just jump in one more time “

      Let me extend at least my own personal and sincere invitation to post comments here at any time, under any article, and any name you choose. Nobody is asking you to leave. “Jump in” as often as you wish. Please!

      (My cell phone service is bad enough as it is. I’m not gonna do anything to make it worse.)

    • talknic
      February 29, 2016, 6:58 pm

      @ the alleged Fred Schlomka

      ” … you’ll note that I use my given name when posting on this forum or any other … “

      Anyone could have adopted the name

      ” You all might think about coming out from under the cover of your assumed ‘handles’ when posting”

      No thanks, obscene and baseless graffiti & broken windows we can do without

      “I am happy to correspond privately with any of you”

      Odd … You haven’t replied to my private correspondence asking if you are really you posting here

      • Fred Schlomka
        March 6, 2016, 5:17 am

        Not so, Mr. talknic. I sent you an email to the fake email address you used when submitting a message on the Green Olive Website. I submit the text here, just so you know I am ‘really me’.

        “Just checking on whether Fred Schlomka has been posting on Mondoweiss recently or whether there has been an imposter …

        Keep up the good work

        Please excuse my pseudonym

        talknic”
        ___________________________________________________

        We will keep up the good work, but we do not excuse your pseudonym. There’s no reason for it.

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2016, 2:51 pm

        Uh-oh, Somebody is going to get one hellacious cell-phone bill. And “Talknic”, remember the world is a big place, don’t even try using Waze or GPS! Remember:

        “The international corporate world cannot afford the demise of the Jewish State.
        This will be my last comment response. One of the reasons I asked Phil to publish the article on this platform was to take a bit of a pulse of the anti-Zionist public. Thank you for your comments.”
        “Fred Schlomka”

        “Talknic”, you’ve been warned. And your pulse has been taken! And progress made, after a fashion. I remember only a few years ago, they wouldn’t acknowledge or admit there was an “anti-Zionist public”. And now it’s pulsing, too. A tell-tale heartbeat, I would hope.

      • talknic
        March 6, 2016, 6:27 pm

        @ Fred Schlomka March 6, 2016, 5:17 am

        “Not so, Mr. talknic. I sent you an email to the fake email address “

        I don’t do fake. I do make errors

        Thanks for clarifying

        “but we do not excuse your pseudonym. There’s no reason for it”

        When expressing an opinion in your real name results in real attacks on ones home there is a very valid reason for using a pseudonym

        Interesting that you spout Hasbara nonsense

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