Elie Wiesel is Dead

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This is part of Marc H. Ellis’s “Exile and the Prophetic” feature for Mondoweiss. To read the entire series visit the archive page.

Elie Wiesel is dead. The Holocaust world I cut my teeth on is coming to an end.

Is the world that cut its teeth on the Holocaust also coming to an end?

In their life and death, iconic figure like Elie Wiesel move us in different ways. The day after Wiesel’s death, it is time to take stock. In which direction are we heading?

I have been reading and writing about Wiesel for more than forty years. Though I have my arguments with Wiesel and other theologians and philosophers of the Holocaust, I never dismissed them as fakes or fools as some have. I will not do so today.

Those who explored the depths of the Holocaust were a great and deeply flawed generation. With reference to their hawkish stands on Israel, Wiesel and other Holocaust commentators simply did not understand what they had become involved in. If and when they understood, it was too late.

In the end, Wiesel was deeply corrupted by his use of the Holocaust he suffered so deeply from. Once an insurgent in Jewish life by insisting on the overriding importance of the Holocaust, in his later years, Wiesel became a cheerleader for an apartheid Israel and American military sanctions and intervention in the Middle East, all revolving around his support for Israel.

Wiesel became a caricature of himself. He trivialized the Holocaust he wrote so movingly about.

Through his invocations of the Holocaust, Wiesel achieved great wealth and garnered many honors; both compromised his witness. Politicians used him as the tributes accorded him in the coming days will no doubt show. But Wiesel and the Jewish establishment also used politicians to further entrench and extend their power and influence. So it goes, it seems.

We Jews live after the Holocaust and after Israel. By after Israel, I mean what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinian people. Those of us who live in the shadow of the Holocaust – and Israel – must ask ourselves the same questions we ask of Wiesel. What is our witness in the world? Has our standing in the world and what we represent corrupted us?

Elie Wiesel was hardly alone in becoming so stuck in Holocaust suffering that he failed to realize or care about what Jewish power was and is doing to the Palestinian people. We, the Jewish people, averted our eyes. We, the Jewish people, became corrupted through our use of unjust power against others.

Through Wiesel, Christians became heavily involved in the meaning of Holocaust suffering and support for the state of Israel without regard for the plight of Palestinians. Christians averted their eyes. Christians became corrupted through support of Jewish power against others.

So Elie Wiesel’s death must become our challenge. After the Holocaust and Israel, what are we to do? Do we really understand who we have become?

Once understood, we must stand for justice, at a personal and, if need be, at a collective cost. Lest we become other than whom we are called to be.

Here lies the unintended aspect of Elie Wiesel’s flawed witness. In the beginning Wiesel and others who reflected on the Holocaust invoked solidarity with the suffering as the key lesson of the Holocaust. True, again from the beginning, Jews were a priority. Yet, this solidarity also extended to those suffering after the Holocaust. Missing, of course, were Palestinians.

With the ascendancy of the Holocaust and Israel as the epitome of the Jewish and Christian witness, Wiesel helped ignite Jewish and Christian resistance to the oppression of the Palestinian people. By making the Holocaust and Israel central to the destiny of the Jewish people, Jewish and Christian resistance to Israel’s abuse of power was destined to take hold.

Today this resistance is exploding. Among others, Jewish Voice for Peace and the Christian struggle for divestment in a variety of denominational settings are deeply indebted to the flawed witness of Elie Wiesel.

As Elie Wiesel is honored and buried in the coming days, we would do well to reflect on other iconic figures of our day and those who use them for their own ends. Unlike iconic figures, injustice cannot be buried.

Resistance is always waiting in the shadows of unjust power. Thus our challenge as Elie Wiesel – and his generation – is laid to rest.

About Marc H. Ellis

Marc H. Ellis is retired Director and Professor of Jewish Studies at Baylor University and author of The Heartbeat of the Prophetic which can be found at Amazon and www.newdiasporabooks.com

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  1. yonah fredman
    July 3, 2016, 10:17 am

    Paradigm shift is the phrase that comes to mind. Ben Gurion posed the question, “Does zionism need peace in order to be a success?” His answer was, no. This was in keeping with the Zionist dictum “b’yadeinu”, which means “in our hands”, that is: we can accomplish our fate by our acts alone. Whereas peace needs two to tango. The net result of B-G’s attitude was the undermining of sharret’s peace efforts, and bibi’s declaration ” we must live by the sword forever”. Given the tumult of Syria and iraq, the questionable stability of egypt, the dependence of jordan, the troublemaking of Iran, the lack of monopoly regarding an army existing in lebanon, whereas Israel’s ability to live by the sword has improved over the last 43 years (using the yom kippur war as the measure of the most recent extreme military vulnerability), the paradigm shift from war to peace is quite far.

    Mark Ellis’s paradigm shifted long ago. But the result is that he and the Zionists are not even in the same ballpark, let alone on the same page.

    If I had to summarize the shift it would be based on the irgun’s slogan “rak kach” meaning only thus. A slogan accompanied by a hand lifting a rifle towards the sky. The new Mark Ellis “rak kach” would be accompanied by an Arab shaking hands with a Jewish zionist. We are far away from this shift.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 3, 2016, 10:26 am

      yonah, how does this shift connect to wiesel? or does it?

      • yonah fredman
        July 3, 2016, 10:37 am

        It shifts away from wiesel’s “realism” and shifts towards his idealism. There are two lessons from auschwitz- 1. Jewish powerlessness must be undone. And two: We must build a better world. It was much easier to buy guns, and build a Jewish army, than it is to build a better world.

      • eljay
        July 3, 2016, 12:43 pm

        || yonah fredman: … There are two lessons from auschwitz- 1. Jewish powerlessness must be undone. And two: We must build a better world. … ||

        I agree that we must build a better world. The way to build it is through the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

        “Undoing Jewish powerlessness” – exemplified by Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine – has failed to build a better world because it runs contrary to the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

      • Shmuel
        July 3, 2016, 1:49 pm

        Yonah,

        There have been a couple of articles in Haaretz on the Yiddish (published in Argentina, in the ’50s) and Hebrew (never published) versions of “Night”, citing differences between his testimony to fellow Jews and his testimony to the world (first published in French, and subsequently translated into many languages, including Hebrew). His “realism”, as you put it, may have been appropriate for Yiddish and Hebrew-speaking audiences, but without “idealism”, the universal message that became his life’s work and earned him a Nobel prize would have had little if any value. In fact, the negative impact that he had (as described by Marc Ellis) was due to a sort of inverse or misguided “idealism” of “we owe it to the Jews”, rather than we owe it to all of humanity, that has been at the heart of so much pain and injustice in Israel/Palestine.

      • amigo
        July 3, 2016, 2:18 pm

        “And two: We must build a better world. It was much easier to buy guns, and build a Jewish army, than it is to build a better world. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/elie-wiesel-is-dead/#comment-845488“yonah

        Best description of Zionism I have heard in a long time and so uniquely honest .Even admits the army was to be manned strictly by Jews.

        Do you really believe you built a better world for Jews or anyone else .I suppose you could , if you are comfortable with commission war crimes and land theft and oppression.in your name.

      • Mooser
        July 3, 2016, 2:43 pm

        “And two: We must build a better world. It was much easier to buy guns, and build a Jewish army, than it is to build a better world.”

        Yup, and a whole lot easier than making organized Judaism relevant and fulfilling to oh, about 80% of people who identify as Jewish?
        Oh, yes, a whole lot easier than reconciling the Jewish denominations.
        And, it seems, a lot easier than making Jewish children, or making children Jewish, which seems like a natural enough thing to do. Maybe even more fun than buying guns.
        And a lot easier than thinking if the violent acquisition of a “homeland” was, indeed, the answer to our problems.

        “Yonah” I would advise you to count the zeroes. Do you think it is in the hundred millions, or low billions?

      • Mooser
        July 3, 2016, 3:17 pm

        ” 1. Jewish powerlessness must be undone.”

        Yes! Yes! Yes! It is time for Jewish power to exert itself, and get Zionism, at the least, under control. We can just stand here like sheep and let them fleece us and make fools out of us.l

      • Mooser
        July 3, 2016, 4:27 pm

        .“Even admits the army was to be manned strictly by Jews.”

        And if the human-wave attacks don’t defeat the enemy, we can launch a series of human-interest attacks or overwhelm them with human-shield attacks.

      • amigo
        July 3, 2016, 5:17 pm

        Yonah here is some of that realism and it does not show your heroes improved ability live by the sword.

        Watch them run and run and run. 1 minute 29 seconds of pure unfettered pleasure .This is the future for your heroes .

      • echinococcus
        July 3, 2016, 8:43 pm

        Reb Fredman,

        You Zionists want even more power? If I were your English and American nannies, I’d have said “Not for you, guys. You forget yourself when you drink.”

      • Mr.T
        July 4, 2016, 11:54 am

        “There are two lessons from auschwitz- 1. Jewish powerlessness must be undone. And two: We must build a better world.”

        What nonsense. Your first lesson is a repeat of the core error, the second is amorphous gibberish. The only valid lesson from the Holocaust or all the other similar events in history (and there are many) is that the exercise of government power against or in favor of a grouping of humanity, identified by an essential characteristic, is wholly illegitimate. Nothing more.

        The issues of supremacism of all kinds, of race-based slavery, of genocides including the holocaust, of Jim Crow laws, of Apartheid, of colonialism, are all aspects of the same exact error.

        So, no “Jewish powerlessness” did not need to be undone. Indeed, one can see the evil that befell the Palestinians when that occurred. What needed to be undone is the notion that it is permissible for any group to either be subject to power or penalties based on those essential characteristics.

      • yonah fredman
        July 4, 2016, 3:58 pm

        shmuel- in fact it seems that wiesel was buried in nyc and environs. i imagined him buried in israel, his body on an el al jet, his soul spending time hovering around his wife and kid in first class: (a young kid, i assume wiesel’s son has to be in his thirties by now) and hovering around the people on the plane.

        (dead souls, in recent movies, are often invisible to most people but visible to some, so too a 6 year old kid can see wiesel’s soul hanging out in the aisles of the el al flight as his body travels below with the suitcases. but then they announce that due to mechanical difficulties the plane will be landing in europe (this will be tricky, because logically geographically no plane would land in hungary or poland and germany is too over the top, but it could be paris as well, because he spent some time there.) as the plane lands the 6 year old says to elie, “it’s landing because of you.”
        dead souls get on the flight in paris, they are elie’s yeshiva friends from hungary who had studied the texts with him. elie expects them to be proud of all that he has done, but they are not proud. the specifics are not clear, but it is clear that it is over emphasis on jewishness of victims that alienates his friends, because they themselves give the reason for their mixed reactions: they are no longer jewish. a soul that dies for sanctifying the name, kiddush hashem, is freed from the prison of jewishness through their violent deaths. These friends ceased to be jewish upon their death, (which is kind of ironic, because all they do is tell jewish jokes and study talmud for pleasure not for the mitzvah which no longer applies to them).

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 6:02 pm

        “Yonah” way to memorialize Elie Wiesel! Like a spontaneous, improvised Kaddish in the Mondo comment section.

      • RoHa
        July 5, 2016, 12:01 am

        “but it is clear that it is over emphasis on jewishness of victims that alienates his friends,”

        And the rest of us are alienated by the way he told grotesque lies in his books and supported the monstrous tyranny of Zionism.

      • Talkback
        July 6, 2016, 12:12 pm

        yonah fredman: “There are two lessons from auschwitz- 1. Jewish powerlessness must be undone. ”

        What does that mean for Jews living outside of the territory in which they can kill Nonjews with impunity?

    • a blah chick
      July 3, 2016, 10:50 am

      “The new Mark Ellis “rak kach” would be accompanied by an Arab shaking hands with a Jewish zionist. We are far away from this shift.”

      Oh, I don’t know, I’m pretty sure it happens after some of those illegal land sales.

    • lyn117
      July 3, 2016, 10:51 am

      “Paradigm shift is the phrase that comes to mind. Ben Gurion posed the question, ‘Does zionism need peace in order to be a success?’ His answer was, no. ”

      Highly appropriate answer. Zionism needs war to be a success. Obviously, accompanied by mass murder and terror.

      With respect to Mark Ellis’s post, I only quibble with the following:

      “Through Wiesel, Christians became heavily involved in the meaning of Holocaust suffering and support for the state of Israel without regard for the plight of Palestinians. Christians averted their eyes. Christians became corrupted through support of Jewish power against others.”

      I don’t know about Wiesel being the primary conduit for Christian involvement in the meaning of Holocaust suffering or support for Israel, or corruption (I suppose a conduit). My introduction to the Holocaust was Anne Frank’s diary, and I suspect Christians were corrupted anyway.

    • Mooser
      July 3, 2016, 4:59 pm

      “This was in keeping with the Zionist dictum “b’yadeinu”, which means “in our hands”, that is: we can accomplish our fate by our acts alone”

      That’s right, “Yonah” there ain’t nothing like the power of the human will. Zionism was the triumph of our will!

      • bintbiba
        July 4, 2016, 11:57 am

        How strange , how telling that

        “b’yadeinu” in Hebrew is “bi ‘ yadaina” = “in our hands” in Arabic !!
        There are myriad similarities if one bothers to listen . Go figure !

        Through the ages they must have mixed and blended , assimilated , immixed and multiplied together , as with many others along the way !!

      • RoHa
        July 5, 2016, 12:09 am

        :Through the ages they must have mixed and blended , assimilated , immixed and multiplied together , as with many others along the way !!”

        Dirty little devils.

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 6, 2016, 3:38 am

      RE: “Paradigm shift is the phrase that comes to mind. Ben Gurion posed the question, “Does zionism need peace in order to be a success?” His answer was, no. This was in keeping with the Zionist dictum ‘b’yadeinu’, which means ‘in our hands’, that is: we can accomplish our fate by our acts alone. Whereas peace needs two to tango.” ~ yonah fredman

      THE ORIGINAL ‘PARADIGM SHIFT’, FROM WIKIPEDIA [Iron Wall (essay), as of 12/09/13]:

      [EXCERPT] . . . [Ze’ev] Jabotinsky argued that the Palestinians would not agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine, and that “Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.”[1] The only solution to achieve peace and a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, he [Ze’ev Jabotinsky] argued, would be for Jews to unilaterally decide its borders and defend them with the strongest security possible. . .

      SOURCE – http://web.archive.org/web/20131209232359/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Wall_%28essay%29

      ENTIRE ‘IRON WALL’ ESSAY: “The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs)”, By Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923 – http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “The Ethics of the Iron Wall”, By Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923 – http://www.jabotinsky.org/multimedia/upl_doc/doc_191207_181762.pdf

  2. lyn117
    July 3, 2016, 10:59 am

    I’m really sorry Wiesel will be getting so many wonderful obits that don’t mention his retched attitude towards Palestinians. I really appreciate this one.

    • silamcuz
      July 3, 2016, 11:58 am

      Honestly speaking lyn117, a majority of white progressives are just as problematic and hateful as Elie Wiesel but due to the bad cop good cop system we have in place in Western society, they will always be celebrated for their role.

      Even on this very site, there are numerous white progressives taking active part in the affairs of non-white communities, both in the US and globally. These folks, like Elie, possess a narcissistic sense of justice and morality where there cannot be any room for introspection and self-criticism. Take for instance, the statement that all white people are racist due to the present system of white hegemony that privileges them over non-whites. This statement has been academically proven to be true, yet you will never find the progressives here agreeing with it, let alone admitting their complicity in sustaining oppression.

      Now, many white people do acknowledge their racism and actively engage in practices to not only dismantle the systemic forces that propagates racial imbalance of power, but also take personal responsiblity for their racist behavior. Unfortunately, they are still a minority within the larger progressive movement, hence the need for POC-centric spaces that is a bit more exclusive to those who are really marginalized.

      • Mooser
        July 3, 2016, 3:00 pm

        “Unfortunately, they are still a minority within the larger progressive movement, hence the need for POC-centric spaces that is a bit more exclusive to those who are really marginalized.”

        “Blogger”, and many other blogging services, are free. g-r-a-t-i-s!

        To exclude the more common, down-at-the-heels marginal types, and be “a bit more exclusive to those who are really marginalized,”
        your website, or portions of it, can be pass-word protected or made private. I believe you can do this with a Facebook page, too. Why stay here and be kicked around, colonized and diverted?

      • nancee
        July 3, 2016, 11:18 pm

        Silamcuz: “Take for instance, the statement that all white people are racist due to the present system of white hegemony that privileges them over non-whites. This statement has been academically proven to be true, yet you will never find the progressives here agreeing with it, let alone admitting their complicity in sustaining oppression. ”

        You lump all ‘white people’ together and call them racist simple because of their color, or lack thereof? That is blatant racism and you need help.

      • RoHa
        July 3, 2016, 11:50 pm

        “the statement that all white people are racist due to the present system of white hegemony that privileges them over non-whites. This statement has been academically proven to be true,”

        Love to see the “proof”. I’m betting that it turns heavily on amphiboly and/or equivocation.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 6:29 pm

        A sample of “Simalcuz'” racial theories (or perhaps this only applies to those who “identify as white”):

        You will have no choice on the circumstances that may affect you in the future, nor would you be able to choose your response to the circumstances considering you have been hard-wired to react to every event major or minor in a certain way due to your specific genetic makeup. In a nutshell, you had no choice in existing and will have no choice while you exist” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/silamcuz/1/#sthash.DS6nNZuL.dpuf

        And plenty more. He spins round and round and round…

    • Brewer
      July 4, 2016, 4:36 pm

      Not sure how Israel Shamir is regarded on these boards but this is my favourite tribute to Wiesel. Gentle, funny, erudite – a fine piece of writing:

      “The touching words of Elie Wiesel (Jerusalem in My Heart, NYT 1/25/2001) painted a beautiful portrait of the Jewish people, yearning for Jerusalem, loving and praying for it over the centuries and cherishing its name from generation to generation…….
      ….Wiesel’s evocative article is so wonderfully reminiscent of the immortal love of the Knight of Sad Visage to his belle Dulcinea de Toboso……
      …..Now I find myself in the somewhat embarrassing position of Sancho Pansa. I have to inform my master, Don Wiesel Quixote, that his Dulcinea is well. She is happily married, has a bunch of kids, and she is quite busy with laundry and other domestic chores. While he fought brigands and restored governors, somebody else took care of his beloved, fed her, provided her with food, made love to her, made her a mother and grandmother. Do not rush, dear knight, to Toboso, or it would break your heart.
      Elie, the Jerusalem that you write of so movingly is not now and never has been desolate. She has lived happily across the centuries in the embrace of another people, the Palestinians of Jerusalem”

      http://www.unz.com/ishamir/rape-of-dulcinea/?highlight=Dulcinea

  3. silamcuz
    July 3, 2016, 11:15 am

    Good riddance. WP (White Progressives) like him vexes me far more than people who are blatantly racists, because they are deceitful and hypocritical on top being just as hateful and ignorant as the common racist. Unfortunately the progressive space in the West is filled to the brim with this type of folks.

    • John O
      July 3, 2016, 1:28 pm

      And what would you like to see progressive space in the West filled to the brim with?

      • RoHa
        July 3, 2016, 11:51 pm

        Beer, perhaps?

    • tokyobk
      July 3, 2016, 2:29 pm

      Silamcuz, I think you have your white people confused (though I am not sure the fine distinctions of the category interest you all that much). Wiesel was not in any shape a progressive. He was a certain kind of “white liberal” in the sense that he purported to speak for universal experiences.

      • Mooser
        July 3, 2016, 3:08 pm

        “Silamcuz, I think you have your white people confused”

        “Simalcuz” is a parody-activist. He is pretending to be, he is a caricature of an activist for “POC”.
        All of his comments are designed to draw a racist response. He will go to any length in that regard.
        I think you will see this in short order. Everything he says is a right-wingnut’s caricature of an activist for “POC”

        And if I am wrong, God help us all.

      • jd65
        July 4, 2016, 1:29 am

        tokyobk writes: “Silamcuz, I think you have your white people confused (though I am not sure the fine distinctions of the category interest you all that much). Wiesel was not in any shape a progressive…”

        Yes. This.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 4, 2016, 6:35 am

        “Silamcuz, I think you have your white people confused

        we’re all the same to him — don’t even bother.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 1:34 pm

        “we’re all the same to him — don’t even bother.”

        Yes, all whites look alike to he!

      • Annie Robbins
        July 4, 2016, 1:58 pm

        exactly mooser

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 4:24 pm

        Of course, right about now is when “Simalcuz” goes into his ‘white is just a state of mind’ schtik. That’s where he always goes now.

      • silamcuz
        July 5, 2016, 4:08 am

        “Of course, right about now is when “Simalcuz” goes into his ‘white is just a state of mind’ schtik. That’s where he always goes now.”

        Your opposition to my statements on whiteness and white people is obviously rooted in personal enmity, and as such, it would be pointless to convince you using my own words. Instead, here are some extracts from an NY Times article on white people, written by a Princeton professor: Source:

        What Is Whiteness? – Prof. Neil Irving Parker, written for the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/sunday/what-is-whiteness.html

        “whiteness” as an existential choice: “Whiteness is on a toggle switch between ‘bland nothingness’ and ‘racist hatred.’”

        “the monolithic definition of whiteness is antithetical to social justice, perhaps we should encourage a rebellion against it

        And for those wondering why the label “white people” is used when airing grievances against white supremacy and whiteness, here is a good explanation:

        “In our experience, however, we have found that when people refer to ‘white people’ (either in self-identifying, or identifying individuals/groups), it is in fact being used as a shorthand reference to whiteness, about which people may have varied understandings you will need to clarify. In other words, it is being used as a shorthand for the privileges/power that people who appear ‘white’ receive, because they are not subjected to the racism faced by people of colour and Indigenous people. “

        Source:

        Understanding Whiteness – Calgary Anti-Racism Education http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness

      • Annie Robbins
        July 5, 2016, 2:35 pm

        you are no Dr. Nell Irvin Painter. here is the end of her nyt article about “whiteness” – note the title is not “what are white people?”:

        We lack more meaningful senses of white identity, even though some whites, throughout history, have been committed to fighting racism and advocating for social justice. In the 19th century, abolitionists like William Lloyd Garrison and John Brown helped end slavery. In the early 20th century, Mary White Ovington helped found the N.A.A.C.P. Lillian Smith depicted the South’s nexus of “sin, sex, segregation” in her writings. White Communists, priests and rabbis stood beside the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights movement. Where would America be without these white allies of black freedom fighters?

        Given that the monolithic definition of whiteness is antithetical to social justice, perhaps we should encourage a rebellion against it. Just as blacks and whites joined together as “abolitionists” to bring down American slavery in the 19th century, anti-racist whites in the 1990s called themselves “race traitors,” believing that social justice for all demands treason against white supremacy.

        Eliminating the binary definition of whiteness — the toggle between nothingness and awfulness — is essential for a new racial vision that ethical people can share across the color line. Just as race has been reinvented over the centuries, let’s repurpose the term “abolitionist” as more than just a hashtag. The “abolition” of white privilege can be an additional component of identity (not a replacement for it), one that embeds social justice in its meaning. Even more, it unifies people of many races.

        btw, i fixed your quote about from Understanding Whiteness – Calgary Anti-Racism Education. you skipped the opening (bolded below),

        In our experience, however, we have found that when people refer to ‘white people’… it is in fact being used as a shorthand reference to whiteness, about which people may have varied understandings you will need to clarify.

        that would be you btw — note they do not interchange “whiteness” for “white people”, they explain it’s being used as short hand for whiteness (white supremacy) “in self-identifying, or identifying individuals/groups”. in fact at the base it says “White versus Whiteness” — i suggest you read it.

        when dr. painter writes “some whites, throughout history, have been committed to fighting racism and advocating for social justice” — she is not communicating ‘some white supremacists, throughout history, have been committed to fighting racism and advocating for social justice’. nor does it communicate she does not recognize the white people she is referencing are therefore not privileged, because we do live in a society that privileges white people regardless of their intended complicity or lack thereof.

        i very much understand you refer to ‘white people’ as a shorthand reference to whiteness. try better articulation — like painter and others you’ve quoted. and btw, every thread here is not necessarily a platform for your lectures on whiteness aka “white people”. and i find it particularly off topic because it assumes people here are identifying as white — which most are not. lots of people — such as yourself for example — post anonymously. they neither preface nor imply “as a white person i believe ..etc” they are no more identifying as white than you are when discussing most of the topics we cover here. you may consider, how to others, your tone reeks of privilege and whiteness — regardless how you intentionally identify. everyone here already knows we live in a white supremacist social order — tho you fail to recognize that’s something addressed in many articles here (example: phil’s current reference to politico’s inside israeli politics “Israel-centeredness” that completely erases/ignores palestinian agency is a form of ‘whiteness’ erasure etc: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/happening-palestinian-resistance/).

      • Mooser
        July 5, 2016, 2:42 pm

        “you are no Dr. Nell Irvin Painter.”

        What an excellent response, Annie. Got one for this little gem:

        “Violence is a perfectly natural, God-given right of reacting to injustice, in any form and in any scale. I have yet to know of a better way than to set a person straight through a old-fashioned slap, which is infinitely more efficient and effective compared to modern liberal techniques of preaching and explaining morality, right and wrong etc.” “Simalcuz” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/happening-palestinian-resistance/#comment-169144

      • Mooser
        July 5, 2016, 7:39 pm

        ” to others, your tone reeks of privilege and whiteness — regardless how you intentionally identify.”

        If one can accept his self-definition-by-denial. Always claims what he’s not, never says what he is.

      • silamcuz
        July 7, 2016, 12:47 am

        Annie,

        “every thread here is not necessarily a platform for your lectures on whiteness aka “white people”. and i find it particularly off topic because it assumes people here are identifying as white — which most are not. lots of people — such as yourself for example — post anonymously. they neither preface nor imply “as a white person i believe ..etc” they are no more identifying as white than you are ”

        But how is the identity of those who comment here relevant in the discussion of white supremacy? So unless it’s in a forum specifically tailored for proud white people, we can’t talk about the system of white supremacy and the white social construct that affects with deadly consequences, all people living in it?

        Please clarify your statement here, as you are a moderator of this site and I would like to continue participating in the discussions without having to worry about breaking the site rules and have my commenting privileges revoked.

        I have always been upfront that my agenda is to help dismantle white supremacy and all of its societal subsets of capitalism, misogyny, sexism, racism, Zionism, Islamophobia and last but not least, homophobia. And if talking about white supremacy is not allowed, or is deemed off-topic whenever it’s convenient, I have no reasons to be here.

    • Froggy
      July 4, 2016, 12:35 pm

      silamcuz :: Good riddance.

      You must long for the good ol’ days when white supremacists used to get rid of those bothersome white progressives for you. Like back in 1964 when they murdered the civil rights workers Schwerner and Goodman, two nice (white) Jewish boys. Or the (white) UU activists James Reeb and Viola Liuzzo, killed in Selma. Were they racists?

      (And no, I haven’t forgotten about Chaney.)

      • silamcuz
        July 5, 2016, 6:08 am

        Froggy,

        We should celebrate the death of the crooked just as fervently as we celebrate the lives of the virtuous. At least that is what I believe in.

  4. Raphael
    July 3, 2016, 12:18 pm

    This article from, Haaretz, speaks of Israelis opinions about the American Icon. I tend to agree with it. When I read his book, years ago; I thought it was dull. I could not, even then, understand the popularity.

    Why Elie Wiesel Never Caught on in Israel
    Haaretz

    Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel may have been the most famous Holocaust survivor in the world. But, ironically, that never gained him a huge following in Israel.

    Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-1.728678

  5. eljay
    July 3, 2016, 12:38 pm

    Mr. Wiesel is dead but the hatefulness, immorality and hypocrisy of the Zio-supremacism he embraced, advocated and defended live on.

    • Froggy
      July 3, 2016, 3:55 pm

      “Some stories are true that never happened.” — Elie Wiesel

      Elie Wiesel was an opportunist.

      The late Howard Zinn saw through Wiesel’s façade.

      “When Jews turn inward to concentrate on their own history and look away from the ordeal of others, they are, with terrible irony, doing exactly what the rest of the world did in allowing the genocide to happen.

      There have been shameful moments, travesties of Jewish humanism, as when Jewish organizations lobbied against Congressional recognition of the Armenian Holocaust of 1915 on the ground that it diluted the memory of the Jewish Holocaust. The designers of the Holocaust Museum dropped the idea of mentioning the Armenian genocide after lobbying by the Israeli government, among others.

      Another such moment came when Elie Wiesel, chair of President Carter’s Commission on the Holocaust, refused to include in a description of the Holocaust Hitler’s killing of millions of non-Jews. That would be, he said, to “falsify” the reality “in the name of misguided universalism,” Novick quotes Wiesel as saying, “They are stealing the Holocaust from us.” As a result, the Holocaust Museum gave only passing mention to the five million or more non-Jews who died in the Nazi camps.”

      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/RespectingHolocaust.html

      ‘”They are stealing the Holocaust from us,” Wiesel complained. “The greatest victory,” Novick writes, “is to wring an acknowledgement of superior victimization from another contender. Officials of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum tell, with great satisfaction, a story of black youngsters learning of the Holocaust and saying ‘God, we thought we had it bad.”‘

      https://www.thenation.com/article/holocaust-creationism/

      Elie Wiesel Hides Ethnic Cleansing Behind a Prayer Shawl

      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.621069

      Wiesel. Another poseur.

      • just
        July 3, 2016, 4:20 pm

        Thanks, Froggy.

      • MHughes976
        July 3, 2016, 5:54 pm

        Is there a reference for ‘some stories are true that never happened?’ – it’s all over quotation websites but they do not, as far as I have found, give references. The idea is found in the Odyssey, 19: 203.

      • MHughes976
        July 3, 2016, 6:08 pm

        Which says ‘he told her many lies like truth’ or ‘like what she needed to know’.

      • lysias
        July 3, 2016, 6:08 pm

        The man was a charlatan. Why is he regarded as a saint?

      • echinococcus
        July 3, 2016, 8:17 pm

        Hughes,
        Funny you should be reminded of this passage. ἴσκε ψεύδεα πολλὰ λέγων ἐτύμοισιν ὁμοῖα:
        Fagles seems to have been carried away by his poetic spirit:
        “Falsehoods all,
        but he gave his falsehoods all the ring of truth.
        As she listened on, her tears flowed and soaked her cheeks…”

        Literally, you came closer to the text (He uttered many falsehoods, speaking alike to the truth)

        This is just the opposite of what the embezzler windbag Wiesel was doing. Odysseus, as you well know, is trying to provide cover to himself while conveying a hidden message to his long-lost wife and remaining incognito, under the threat of death if unmasked.
        Wiesel was preparing a ridiculous defense for his propaganda lies to make invasion, theft and Holocaust Industry embezzlement somewhat palatable. The defense of a guy expecting to be caught falsifying history sold as factual: that his lie was truer than any reality.

      • just
        July 3, 2016, 8:37 pm

        Thanks, Bumblebye.

        “Interesting” timing, eh?

        “Following Haaretz Report, Israel Gives 30 Million Shekels to Needy Holocaust Survivors

        Stipends for 11,000 survivors have been held for nearly a year because of a legal dispute. ‘The good of Holocaust survivors is the priority,’ Finance Minister Kahlon says.

        Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon ordered the immediate transfer of some 30 million shekels ($7.8 million) to 11,000 destitute Holocaust survivors on Sunday, after nearly a year in which they hadn’t received their restitution allowances due to a legal dispute. 

        During a discussion held Sunday in the office of Deputy Finance Minister Yitzhak Cohen, the Company for Location and Restitution of Holocaust Victim’s Assets (known in Hebrew as Hashav) agreed to sign a commitment that would allow the survivors to get their quarterly grant of 2,750 shekels this month. …

        … On the eve of Passover this year, after months had passed without transfer of the allowances, the Finance Ministry decided to provide the funds to the needy survivors as a one-time solution. After Haaretz reported on the situation, Kahlon promised that the money would be paid every quarter to them by the treasury until the dispute was settled. …

        …“The good of Holocaust survivors is the priority,” said Kahlon. “We cannot allow ourselves to quarrel on the backs of Holocaust survivors and our moral obligation is to let them age with dignity. This money belongs to the survivors and that’s how we must relate to it.”

        Deputy Minister Cohen added, “I’m pleased that we reached an agreement and that there’s a solution for the Holocaust survivors. It’s too bad that Hashava didn’t give its commitment sooner.””

        read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.728726?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        %$#@*!, and then some.

      • Froggy
        July 3, 2016, 10:04 pm

        MHughes976. Good question. I really don’t know, and having used the quote I should know.

        I never use quotation websites. I found the quote in articles I read, articles published in reputable newspapers and journals. One of them was in the Independent. However, these publications just make the claim and the attribution, but (like me) don’t give a reference.

        That was sloppy of me. Lacking a reference I never should have used that quote. After you asked I looked for a reference but couldn’t find one.

        Funny thing though… it sounds like the kind of nonsense that Wiesel would say. God knows, the man lies enough. Still, it’s no excuse.

      • MHughes976
        July 4, 2016, 2:52 am

        I certainly wasn’t accusing you of sloppiness, grenouille tres attentive et honorable. II was just that I had no way of pursuing the quote except through a mass of excerpts which are all over the web. And it is certainly does sound like what someone who blurred the boundary between novel and autobiography would believe.

      • echinococcus
        July 4, 2016, 3:02 am

        Froggy and Hughes,

        I finally remembered where I had seen that. Epictetus, Discourses.
        Not copying the highly soporific whole paragraph –have a look at the link.
        English text:
        “But others maintain the other two propositions, That a thing is possible which is neither true nor will be true: and That everything which is past is necessarily true; but then they will maintain that an impossibility can follow a possibility.
        But it is impossible to maintain these three propositions, because of their common contradiction.”

        Arrian’s Discourses of Epictetus, II-19
        http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0236%3Atext%3Ddisc%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D19

        “Our” quote is in the footnote to this in a 1882 French edition:
        https://books.google.com/books?id=mqOv2m4gPWQC&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=certaines+histoires+sont+vraies+sans+qu%27elles+soient+arriv%C3%A9es&source=bl&ots=sTdK_Lg5M1&sig=cf2hAXPD6aWFVxvjvlTnmQM0Z6Y&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDocGemNnNAhVD4YMKHUukDXoQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
        and preceding page.

      • just
        July 4, 2016, 4:58 pm

        “Yet Again, Israel Denies the Armenian Genocide

        Israel is one of the only democratic countries in the world, if not the only one, to do so, and to support Turkey’s stubborn policy of denial. …

        … The discussion in the Knesset should arouse great interest in the world, and of course among the Armenians in Armenia and in the Diaspora, and hopefully here too. Those who are fighting for recognition are requesting “a vote now.” Transferring the discussion to the committee was an important step for years, but it has become a cynical political means to conceal the truth. We continue to deny.

        Israeli recognition (which is not anticipated, to my regret) would probably lead to recognition of the Armenian genocide by the entire world. If Israel recognizes it, U.S. President Barack Obama won’t be able to continue to remain on the sidelines either. What is true of genocide is also true of the battle against its denial: Anyone who is not on the side of the victims is on the side of the deniers.”

        read much more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.728904?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      • lysias
        July 4, 2016, 6:13 pm

        Quote from the movie V for Vendetta: “Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up.” Wiesel was a politician, not an artist.

      • echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 12:39 am

        Just,
        Re the Zionist opposition to recognition of the Armenian Holocaust (yes, I’ll use the goddamn trademarked word), it’s even more interesting to note that not so long ago, i.e. when the rift within the lute first became public, ending the Turco-Israelian honeymoon, the Zionist entity threatened in public to… stop the lobbying support against Armenian recognition in the US and Europe.

  6. Ossinev
    July 3, 2016, 2:50 pm

    @yonah friedman
    “whereas Israel’s ability to live by the sword has improved over the last 43 years ”
    You mean live by the F16 and drones and the do we don`t we have nukes. The last time your JSILi on the ground ” sword” was used in Lebanon you got a whipping. All those 3 am raids on the homes of unarmed defenceless Palestinian families and the rounding up of 7 year old stone throwers which JSIL`s finest have practiced since is no preparation for a real war with battle hardened opposition who are prepared to die fighting as opposed to the IDF who are only really good at putting bullets into the heads of wounded civilians and are into fighting dying.

    • John O
      July 3, 2016, 4:00 pm

      And as for the Samson Option, we’ve just enacted that in the UK, and it sucks.

      • Froggy
        July 3, 2016, 4:43 pm

        John O, that’s funny. (Well it isn’t funny… but it is.)

      • Eva Smagacz
        July 3, 2016, 7:47 pm

        It’s funny, but it really isn’t – half a dozen of lies, repeated endlessly with help of the media – and a disastrous outcome for entire country.

    • a blah chick
      July 3, 2016, 5:23 pm

      “The last time your JSILi on the ground ” sword” was used in Lebanon you got a whipping”

      They didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory in Gaza either.

    • Mooser
      July 3, 2016, 10:18 pm

      “whereas Israel’s ability to live by the sword has improved over the last 43 years ”

      Mmmmm, “Yonah” is cooking up a big pot of Zionist chicken-hawk soup.

  7. Steve Macklevore
    July 3, 2016, 5:00 pm

    Christopher Hitchens was wrong about the war in Iraq, but was courageously right about Ellie Wiesel:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/wiesel-words/

    • Froggy
      July 3, 2016, 9:23 pm

      Steve, thanks for that link. Very informative.

      On 24 January 2001 Wiesel wrote the following in the NY Times :

      As a Jew living in the United States, I have long denied myself the right to intervene in Israel’s internal debates…. My critics have their conception of social and individual ethics; I have mine. But while I grant them their right to criticize, they sometimes deny mine to abstain.

      Wiesel claims the right to ‘abstain’ from criticising the atrocities committed by Israel. In fact, he backs Israel’s murderous actions. Yet he dares to lecture the world on what he calls their ‘indifference’ to the plight of the Jews during the holocaust.

      Nobel Laureate Eliezer “Elie” Wiesel delivers “Perils of Indifference” address on 12 April 1999 at the White House, Washington, D.C.

      Now that’s chutzpah. Chutzpah to the max. Wiesel gives meaning to the saying ‘words are cheap’.

      How did he get away with it, and for so long?

      • RoHa
        July 3, 2016, 11:59 pm

        “Yet he dares to lecture the world on what he calls their ‘indifference’ to the plight of the Jews during the holocaust.”

        And so he should. It’s not as if the world had anything else to concern itself about in the 1940s.

      • Marnie
        July 4, 2016, 6:59 am

        I think he’s been dead for a long time and his body just finally caught up with his soul.

      • hophmi
        July 4, 2016, 8:55 am

        Marnie says Wiesel’s soul is dead. You can’t make this garbage up.

      • amigo
        July 4, 2016, 10:12 am

        Agreed hopknee.How can that which never existed be dead.

      • eljay
        July 4, 2016, 11:47 am

        || hophmi: Marnie says Wiesel’s soul is dead. You can’t make this garbage up. ||

        Please explain why her comment is “garbage”.

        Wiesel was a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist hypocrite. Metaphorically, whatever soul he had died long ago.

        Literally, well, do you have any proof that his soul was and remains alive?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 4, 2016, 1:18 pm

        this: denied myself the right to intervene

        to “deny” oneself implies there’s some urge to intervene which there wasn’t. he was fully in support of israeli settler policy and sat at the head of elad board. so he’s not denying himself a right, he’s empowering the settlements.

        it seems to me they are trying to turn him into some american icon like a jewish martin luther king. he will never be universally accepted as a great man. there will never be an american holiday dedicated to him. he will go down in history as a hypocrite who denied others suffering. and not just palestinians. his gatekeeping at the holocaust museum will be remembered. he was a small cowardly man.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 1:41 pm

        “Marnie says Wiesel’s soul is dead. You can’t make this garbage up. “

        Of course, we Jews hold that Wiesel’s soul is simply transmigrating, and will soon be reborn in another form on the endless wheel of karma. Careful Elie, don’t hit that dogma. That’s what a cat-man do!

      • RoHa
        July 5, 2016, 12:08 am

        And I learn something new about Jewish theology. Thanks, Mooser.

  8. JWalters
    July 3, 2016, 6:55 pm

    Macklevore, Interesting link. I didn’t realize Wiesel was “a member of Menachem Begin’s Irgun in the 1940s, when that force employed extreme violence against Arab civilians…” Wondering – was he involved in the slaughter of Muslim families at Deir Yassin, which was lead by Begin?

  9. ToivoS
    July 3, 2016, 7:13 pm

    Alexander Cockburn has the best summary of Wiesel’s career. This was written in 2006.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/01/truth-and-fiction-in-elie-wiesels-night-2/

    In summary he was a fraud.

  10. echinococcus
    July 3, 2016, 8:29 pm

    Furiously OT but of high interest, if it was not already sighted:

    The Tamimi women continue amazing the world.

    https://www.rt.com/news/349384-palestine-child-journalist-janna/

  11. traintosiberia
    July 3, 2016, 11:37 pm

    Kissinger has a human right prize after his name . Lantos had some kind of Human right podium devoted to his aging corpse . Obama discloses the numbers of the innocent who died in drones
    Saudi Arab is derided for supporting IS but is still saved by US from the charges of slaughtering the Yemeni children . It is a world that Wiesel understood well before this world was conceived . He spawned quite a few who would carry the torch -Bernard Levy -comes to mind . Michael Gordon and Judith butler tried to outsmart each other . I dont blame Wiesel i just dont value his as a human being more than I value Cheney .

  12. echinococcus
    July 4, 2016, 12:59 am

    Update: RT pulled it off the web page. The link works but the article isn’t listed anywhere (pulled after a couple hours only.) Not an exceptionally well-informed article, but the hiding is worth protesting with RT right away.

  13. Egbert
    July 4, 2016, 5:01 am

    “Update: RT pulled it off the web page. ”

    I have opened the link OK 4 July am European time.

  14. Rusty Pipes
    July 4, 2016, 5:58 am

    Frankly Marc, your assessment of Wiesel is far too generous. With all of the hagiographies in the MSM, I need a strong dose of Norman Finkelstein’s old books at this point.

  15. chocopie
    July 4, 2016, 8:39 am

    Max Blumenthal’s criticism of Elie Wiesel (“He spent his last years inciting hatred”) is trending on FB and it’s nice to see some people losing their minds over it.

  16. Kay24
    July 4, 2016, 10:08 am

    Wiesel was a Romanian born American, and I wonder why they Empire State building had colors of the Israeli flag to mark his death. Yes he was a Jew, but he was an American and most probably lived most of his life as an American, studying and working here. I also read an interesting fact:

    “In 1946, after learning of Irgun’s bombing of the King David Hotel, Wiesel made an unsuccessful attempt to join the underground movement. In 1948, he translated articles from Hebrew to Yiddish for Irgun periodicals, but never became a member of the organization.[21]

    Strange he does not understand the Palestinian’s resistance to a brutal occupation and land grabs. He has always indicated that those who are oppressed and struggle must be supported.
    But like all zionists the Palestinians are the exceptions.

    An interesting article which comes to the same conclusion.

    http://newjewishresistance.org/blog/elie-wiesel-nobel-peace-prize-winner-and-supporter-perpetual-war-dies-87-0

    • oldgeezer
      July 4, 2016, 11:48 am

      Clearly he was a supporter of the use of terrorism to achieve a political goal. How surprising… not.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 4, 2016, 11:59 am

      the Empire State building had colors of the Israeli flag to mark his death?

      that’s outrageous. whose awful idea was that?

      • Kay24
        July 4, 2016, 12:32 pm

        Here you go Annie, Israel’s devoted and America’s shameless politicians in action:

        “This evening, Governor Andrew M. Cuomo has directed the lights of One World Trade Center’s 408-foot spire to be displayed in the blue and white colors of the Israeli flag to honor the life of noted author, Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel. New York stands in solidarity with the Jewish people and the State of Israel, who lost one of its preeminent leaders, and mourns the loss of a great New Yorker. Elie inspired millions, not just here in New York, but across the globe. It is fitting that the spire of One World Trade Center, which was built as a response to terrorism be lit in honor of a man who spent his life fighting hate.

        “Today, we mourn the loss of legendary New Yorker, author and activist Elie Wiesel,” Governor Cuomo said. “Elie was born in 1927 in the town of Sighet, and during the Holocaust, when Elie was faced with certain death in the horrors of the Auschwitz concentration camp, he refused to give up the will to live. Elie used his personal story to show the world that the triumph of the human spirit can overcome the face of evil. This became his mission in life. The world will never be the same without him. I extend my deepest condolences to Elie’s wife Marion and his son Shlomo Elisha. May Elie’s memory forever be a blessing”

        from the Governor’s official website.

        Seems like Cuomo has future plans for his political career.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 4, 2016, 2:02 pm

        omg. just amazing amount donkey action goin’ on here.

      • just
        July 4, 2016, 1:02 pm

        That’s sick. Kay~ when I first read your comment, I thought it would be lit that way during the 4th.

        Might as well, eh?

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2016, 2:13 pm

        “That’s outrageous. whose awful idea was that? “

        ‘Poor Eli’s dead,
        Poor Eli Wiesel’s dead,
        All gather round his coffin now,
        and cry…’

      • Keith
        July 4, 2016, 2:29 pm

        KAY24- “Here you go Annie, Israel’s devoted and America’s shameless politicians in action:”

        Jeez, reading your quotes I had an image of Hillary and The Donald fighting over who loved Elie the most and vice versa. Then I had a vision of Hillary throwing herself on Wiesel’s coffin sobbing hysterically. Then came visions of our US Congress rushing to pay tribute, etc. If one can keep the right frame of mind, this whole farce can be funny.

      • just
        July 4, 2016, 2:42 pm

        lololol, Annie!

      • Kay24
        July 4, 2016, 3:59 pm

        “omg. just amazing amount donkey action goin’ on here”. Annie

        It is embarrassing to see these American leaders make idiots of themselves when kissing up to that big ass.

  17. Vera Gottlieb
    July 4, 2016, 10:59 am

    A Holocaust must NEVER happen again to any people, regardless of religion and culture. Shame on humanity is, many “holocausts” are happening today and just like people in the 20th century turned away their heads, pretending it wasn’t happening, so too today too many are looking the other way, not wanting their “comfort zone” disturbed. And so it is with the plight of Palestinians – the collective “we” rather not hear/see about it – Jewish pain and suffering count more. Shame on all of us.

    • RoHa
      July 4, 2016, 11:56 pm

      “people in the 20th century turned away their heads, pretending it wasn’t happening”

      Who?

  18. Marlene P. Newesri
    July 4, 2016, 11:02 am

    My feelings about Elie Wiesel were essentially expressed in a comments I made back in 2010 to an article written by Bernard Rorke, who at that time was an international research and advocacy director for the Open Society Roma Initiatives until December 2013,. The reason why I responded to the article was because of mention the author made of Elie Wiesel, and how “Weisel never forgot.” This was very shocking to me because Wiesel’s problem actually was that he chose not to “remember” or to have selective memory. He was also very selective as to whom he would speak out for involving extreme injustices and crimes against humanity while he falsely presented himself as an advocate for human rights because of his own past.

    Thus, it was not only Weisel choosing to be totally indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinian people, and the racism and bigotry that exists in Israel, even against Jews who are of color or who came from the Middle East, but he was also totally indifferent to those people who were actually persecuted by the Nazis, and in this case, I speak about the Roma Gypsies.

    It is beyond any logical comprehension that Weisel is today receiving such accolades worldwide, including those from President Obama, who called Wiesel “one of the great moral voices of our time, and in many ways, the conscience of the world.” Those words would have certainly befitted someone like Hedy Epstein who passed away just a few weeks ago, but hardly anyone knows of her, or people like Hajo Meyer, or Israel Shahak, who were also survivors, but they gave their voices to what was unjust with no selectiveness as to who was suffering and who were the victims. Wiesel may have contributed something positive as to the suffering existing in this world but instead chose to be indifferent to it, and is a perfect example of why a great part of this world has no conscience.

    My comment in 2010:

    “I find it shocking that anyone would give recognition to Elie Wiesel in association with the Roma since it was he who wrote so negatively about the Roma in his own book “Night,” the context of which I will not put here. He also opposed the inclusion of the Roma at the American Holocaust Museum until his resignation in the 1980’s. He has never spoken out against the Romas being persecuted throughout Europe and just recently, while he did ask Sarkozy to reverse his decision about expelling Roma from France, he also made clear that it should not be compared to what happened as in the “Jewish case.”

    To say that “Wiesel never forgot” should read “Wiesel chose not to remember.”
    .
    In a review of Elisabeth Fonseca’s book “Bury Me Standing”. the reviewer wrote:

    “In recent decades, a Gypsy intelligentsia has begun to emerge. Fonseca presents detailed profiles of several. Dr. Ian Hancock, an American Gypsy, and the author of The Pariah Syndrome, was instrumental in bringing about, in April 1994, the first-ever Congressional hearing in Washington, D.C., on the human-rights abuses of the Gypsies. After prolonged efforts, Hancock also succeeded in the Gypsy inclusion in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Gypsy inclusion had long been opposed by Elie Wiesel, the Nobel Peace Prize winner! It was only after Wiesel’s resignation, writes Fonseca, herself an American Jew, that one Gypsy was allowed onto the museum’s 65-member council. (The council comprised more than thirty Jews as well as Poles, Ukranians, and Russians among others but not a single Gypsy.)” END

    To add further insult, Wiesel has stood by for years as the Palestinian people are being slowly and methodically destroyed by Israel who carries on the tradition of the Nazis using its own deplorable methods.”
    (END)

    A copy of the article with comments.

    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/history-lesson-europe-needs-right-now

  19. Misterioso
    July 4, 2016, 11:26 am

    The fact that Elie Wiesel had the ears of the world and never once stepped forward and spoke on behalf of the Palestinians who have been dispossessed, occupied, oppressed and brutalized for over 68 years by Israel tells me all I want to know about him.

    • just
      July 4, 2016, 1:25 pm

      Exactly. He contributed mightily to the present situation, too. Shame on him.

      I cannot stomach his vaunted quotations nor the flowery tributes. Yes, he suffered mightily and I have sincere empathy for that. So have millions of others. He could have been a force for good and justice, but he chose to discriminate and contribute to the misery, annihilation, and displacement of millions.

  20. PilgrimSoul
    July 4, 2016, 4:52 pm

    Wiesel was complicit in the crimes against Palestinians not in spite of the Holocaust, but because of it. He internalized its evil and acted it out against the indigenous people of Palestine. He also used the Holocaust to advance his own reputation as an author, and as a fraudulent spokesperson for human rights. He precisely embodies the kind of cultural figure whose message we must learn to distrust and despise.

  21. The Hasbara Buster
    July 4, 2016, 7:42 pm

    Wiesel equivocated too much, too often and too conspicuously on the topic of genocide. He couldn’t bring himself to condemn any instance of mass murder without making the caveat that the Holocaust was worse. He construed “never again” as meaning “never again to the Jews.” His offensive and patronizing comments on the Armenian genocide, his inability to confront the Israeli government over its denial of that massacre, his next to nonexistent reaction to the Rwandan genocide, all make me wonder why on earth he has been considered as an ambassador for the victims of planned extermination.

  22. Mayhem
    July 5, 2016, 12:37 am

    So everybody has to pay homage to the plight of the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice. Are people at MondoWeiss totally demented with no sense of proportion at all?
    What is particularly insane on this topic is the non-mention of the key phrase ‘anti-semitism’ which even Obama recognised when he acknowledged Elie Wiesel Raised His Voice Not Just Against anti-Semitism, but Against All Bigotry
    By the tone of the discussion here there is a spiteful undercurrent of Jew hatred in the comments which could well explain why no mention of anti-semitism has appeared to potentially expose the character of the graceless opinion and spite being expressed.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 5, 2016, 3:28 am

      no mention of anti-semitism has appeared

      mayhem, as you know that haaretz headline is a quote from obama (it’s mentioned no where else in the article). whereas, wiesel’s wiki page even doesn’t mention anti semitism once nor does this page of his famous quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/elie_wiesel.html

      so rush rush and get those settler/zionist wiki editors/keyboard warriors to update his page immediately, by all means!! in this regard mondoweiss is no different.

      for our edification why not share with us a few of your favorite wiesel quotes on anti semitism.

      the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice

      currently, the ongoing nakba is the longest running human rights violation on the planet. hence, in many ways the worst since it’s the most enduring of our time. maybe you can pinpoint another, consequentially, more relevant in terms of human rights violations which systematically threatens to codify injustice as an acceptable alternate to freedom and equal rights. the implications of accepting or condoning a permanent state of apartheid is uncivilized and portends dire consequence for the future of mankind.

      • Mayhem
        July 5, 2016, 7:47 pm

        Annie, for your benefit (since you requested it) some direct words from Elie Wiesel.

        Wiesel “defines the modern anti-Semite, first and foremost, as anti-Israel. “It’s very difficult to separate between the two,” he says.

        “There are anti-Semites who are only anti-Israel,” he explains. “Once I thought that anti-Semitism had ended; today it is clear to be that it will probably never end. It might weaken sometimes, but it will continue existing, because in different countries there is no shame in being an anti-Semite. We must remember that anti-Semitism led to Auschwitz. Without anti-Semitism there would have been no Auschwitz.”

      • Annie Robbins
        July 5, 2016, 10:46 pm

        Wiesel “defines the modern anti-Semite, first and foremost, as anti-Israel. “It’s very difficult to separate between the two,” he says.

        thanks for the link mayhem, although i wish you had quoted the full paragraph:

        Concerned mainly about Israel
        Wiesel believes that the memory of the Holocaust is the only chance of saving the world from another disaster. He defines the modern anti-Semite, first and foremost, as anti-Israel. “It’s very difficult to separate between the two,” he says.

        that is an interesting theory about the memory of the Holocaust being the only chance of saving the world from another disaster. especially the way he morphs anti semitism into anti israel. hmm. he continues:

        Known as one of the State of Israel’s greatest advocates, Wiesel argues that the fundamental problem is the attitude towards Israel and not anti-Semitism.

        “It’s clear to me that one can’t be Jewish without Israel. Religious or non-religious, Zionist or non-Zionist, Ashkenazi or Sephardic – all these will not exist without Israel. The State’s existence is the oxygen of the image and ideas of the new anti-Semitism.”

        so, everything hinges on … israel.

        and the title of the article is another of his quotes: “People are no longer ashamed to be anti-Semites”

        but it occurs to me, since he believes ” The State’s existence is the oxygen of the image and ideas of the new anti-Semitism” that perhaps what he means is ‘People are not ashamed to be anti-israel’. and i think that’s certainly correct, for why would anyone be ashamed to be anti apartheid and anti occupation and anti ethnic cleansing and anti all of the things israel represents in todays world.

        the idea that jews, whether religious or non-religious, Zionist or non-Zionist, Ashkenazi or Sephardic – would not exist without Israel is a tough sell. it’s like saying jews can’t exist without the oppression and submission of another people. and i am not sure the idea of making anti semitism and anti israel interchangeable is the best way to fight racism and anti semitism in the world. for you can’t fight bigotry by supporting it — it’s sort of inverted logic. israel would have to massively clean up it’s act to get people on board and i don’t see that happening anytime soon.

        and i really don’t see “universal significance” of the Holocaust (“which must be memorized incessantly”) as working in israel’s favor right now, given the actions of the state. big clashes in logic w/his theories.

        anyway, thanks for the link mayhem.

      • Mooser
        July 5, 2016, 11:16 pm

        “Religious or non-religious, Zionist or non-Zionist, Ashkenazi or Sephardic – all these will not exist without Israel. The State’s existence is the oxygen of the image and ideas of the new anti-Semitism.”

        Elie, try not to sound too happy about it.

      • Mr.T
        July 6, 2016, 12:28 pm

        “Wiesel “defines the modern anti-Semite, first and foremost, as anti-Israel.”

        BFD. He was wrong, and evil in doing so, to boot, because that lie is used in the service of the great evil of the oppression of the Palestinians.

    • eljay
      July 5, 2016, 9:02 am

      || Mayhem: So everybody has to pay homage to the plight of the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice. … ||

      The plight of the Palestinians is not the worst example of human injustice, but it is a decades-long and on-going example of human injustice. The fact that you dismiss it as irrelevant simply because it is being committed by Jews rather than against Jews demonstrates how hateful and immoral – how Zio-supremacist – you are.

      || … even Obama recognised when he acknowledged Elie Wiesel Raised His Voice Not Just Against anti-Semitism, but Against All Bigotry … ||

      You’re funny. Obama and Wiesel may have raised their voices “against all bigotry” but, like all hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist hypocrites, they approved of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      Person A: I condemn all crimes.
      Person B: So do I.
      Person A: Really? You said you supported rape.
      Person B: Rape is not a crime – it’s self-determination. And, anyway, it’s not as bad as serial murder.
      Zio-supremacist: Persons A and B have raised their voices against all crimes.

    • Mr.T
      July 5, 2016, 9:54 am

      LMAO!!! No one takes issue with Weisel’s raising of his voice against Jew hatred. The problem is that he not only condoned, but participated in the same Palestinian hatred (which is morally identical in every way to the Jew hatred we lament) which you appear to participate in.

    • Misterioso
      July 5, 2016, 11:17 am

      […]
      As for today, eminent Jewish Israeli journalist Bradley Burston aptly sums up the racist, fascistic horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem:
      “Occupation is Slavery”
      EXCERPT:
      “In the name of occupation, generation after generation of Palestinians have been treated as property. They can be moved at will, shackled at will, tortured at will, have their families separated at will. They can be denied the right to vote, to own property, to meet or speak to family and friends. They can be hounded or even shot dead by their masters, who claim their position by biblical right, and also use them to build and work on the plantations the toilers cannot themselves ever hope to own. The masters dehumanize them, call them by the names of beasts.” (Haaretz, Feb. 26/13)

      Then there’s the Gaza Strip where in blatant contravention of international humanitarian law (e.g., the Fourth Geneva Convention) Israel treats its inhabitants like caged animals, deprives them of basic necessities and continues to kill them en masse, i.e., “mowing the lawn.”

      • Annie Robbins
        July 5, 2016, 1:07 pm

        misterioso, we don’t publish rense sourced comments here, hence the edit. if/when you find another source try re submitting the quotes (which are available elsewhere on the internet btw).

      • Misterioso
        July 5, 2016, 5:15 pm

        http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2010/05/27/open-letter-elie-wiesel/

        New York Review of Books, May 27, 2010

        “An Open Letter to Elie Wiesel”

        Avner Inbar and Assaf Sharon

        Excerpts:

        “In a recent public letter to President Obama, Elie Wiesel urged the President not to ‘pressure’ Israel to cease settlement activity in Jerusalem. According to Wiesel:

        ” ‘For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture—and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming…. To many theologians, it IS Jewish history…. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming…. Contrary to certain media reports, Jews, Christians and Muslims ARE allowed to build their homes anywhere in the city. The anguish over Jerusalem is not about real estate but about memory.’ ”

        “The views expressed by Wiesel are not shared by a growing movement of Israelis who oppose the continued expansion of settlements and who have been protesting the eviction by the Israeli government of Palestinian residents of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. These Israelis have responded to Mr. Wiesel in the following letter. Among the one hundred signers are Israel Prize Laureates Avishai Margalit and Zeev Sternhell, former Knesset Speaker and Jewish Agency Chairman Avrum Burg, Professors David Shulman and Moshe Halbertal, former Knesset member Zehava Galan, and other Jerusalemites, many of whom are prominent intellectuals and academics.
        Avner Inbar and Assaf Sharon

        “Dear Mr. Wiesel:

        “We write to you from Jerusalem to convey our frustration, even outrage, at your recently published letter on Jerusalem. We are Jewish Jerusalemites—residents by choice of a battered city, a city used and abused, ransacked time and again first by foreign conquerors and now by its own politicians. We cannot recognize our city in the sentimental abstraction you call by its name.”

        “We invite you to our city to view with your own eyes the catastrophic effects of the frenzy of construction. You will witness that, contrary to some media reports, Arabs are not allowed to build their homes anywhere in Jerusalem. You will see the gross inequality in allocation of municipal resources and services between east and west. We will take you to Sheikh Jarrah, where Palestinian families are being evicted from their homes to make room for a new Jewish neighborhood, and to Silwan, where dozens of houses face demolition because of the Jerusalem Municipality’s refusal to issue building permits to Palestinians.”

    • Annie Robbins
      July 5, 2016, 12:51 pm

      mayhem, i’d like to bring your attention to “What Is Eli Weisel’s Legacy? Noted Jewish Writers Weigh In”
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.729006

      again, no mention of anti semitism what so ever! how “particularly insane”!

    • Mooser
      July 5, 2016, 1:01 pm

      “So everybody has to pay homage to the plight of the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice. Are people at MondoWeiss totally demented with no sense of proportion at all?”

      Maybe we are. So why don’t you give us the rankings for “worst example of human injustice”?

      Go ahead, surprise us.

    • RoHa
      July 5, 2016, 10:07 pm

      “So everybody has to pay homage to the plight of the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice.”

      Since Wiesal was a supporter of Israel, it was particularly relevant to him, and thus should have been given a mention. Similarly, we do not demand that Aung San Suu Kyi should give special attention to the Palestinians, but we do expect her to say a word or two about the Ryohinga.

      “By the tone of the discussion here there is a spiteful undercurrent of Jew hatred in the comments”

      Of course there is. It’s everywhere. I expect you could find it in the list of ingredients on a packet of cornflakes.

      • Mooser
        July 6, 2016, 2:27 pm

        “Of course there is. It’s everywhere.”

        Yes, it’s 60 Herzls-per-second in the US, and 50 in Europe.

  23. silamcuz
    July 5, 2016, 11:41 am

    Let Eli Wiesel’s life and death be a lesson to be heeded by the many Zionists here who still appear to be clueless on their own path towards destruction.

    Despite going through hell during the holocaust, and be lucky enough to come out of it alive and well, he still chose the path of Zionism. Motivated perhaps by the thrill of the game of conquest and subjugation of other humans. Even worse, his victims were innocent Palestinians who have never oppressed or mistreated him or his kin but instead a people who welcomed his kind onto the safe lands of Palestine during their persecution in Europe.

    The thing is, what did he accomplish from embarking on this forsaken path? Happiness? Surely people are able to be happy without having to participate in civilisational scale hostilities and ethnic cleansing? Did he die a content man at peace with himself and God? Judging by his hardened face and his harshness towards Palestinians, who are God’s creation same exact way he and his people are, I doubt it.

    In the end, we have a man who spent 87-years on Earth and yet did not manage to find humanity. 87-years of being enslaved to his ego, his need of being superior, to his Zionist delusions.

    He lived a short life as a God (to himself), followed by an eternal afterlife of ridicule and disgrace. So for the pro-Israel and pro-Zionist commenters of MW, was this worth it?

  24. MHughes976
    July 5, 2016, 2:06 pm

    Wiesel played quite effectively on the themes of the great difficulty in terrible situations of telling truth from fiction and, partly in consequence of this difficulty, the further and worse dificulty of telling right from wrong. It’s been pointed out how he alludes to Dostoyevsky’s dialogue concerning how ‘without God…everything is permitted’. He used this kind of problem to produce, as was much demanded in the twentieth century, a kind of moral consciousness that was religious, desiring not to be without God, yet agnostic, half resigned to God’s absence. He made the term ‘holocaust’ mean what it does today. All these ideas are alluring but very dangerous.

  25. Mayhem
    July 5, 2016, 8:15 pm

    I observe the fanatical indignation of the pro-Palestinian mob who complain that a man who fought against racism and bigotry all his life didn’t throw his lot in with the Palestinians. It is like watching the vultures flying over a corpse looking for slim pickings.
    When is Phil going to be handing out sweets to the comment that best bags Elie Wiesel?

    • eljay
      July 5, 2016, 9:34 pm

      || Mayhem: I observe the fanatical indignation of the pro-Palestinian mob who complain that a man who fought against racism and bigotry all his life didn’t throw his lot in with the Palestinians. … ||

      Your powers of observation are clouded by your fanatical Zio-supremacism.

      Wiesel was a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist who fought selectively against racism and bigotry.

      The fact that he fought against equality and human rights for Palestinians in I-P – while advocating, defending, justifying and excusing Jewish supremacism in and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine – merely underscores the point.

    • Misterioso
      July 5, 2016, 10:46 pm

      http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/01/truth-and-fiction-in-elie-wiesels-night-2/

      Counterpunch
      July 1, 2016
      Truth and Fiction in Elie Wiesel’s “Night”

      by Alexander Cockburn

    • Mr.T
      July 6, 2016, 12:27 pm

      “a man who fought against racism and bigotry all his life”

      Except he didn’t. When it came to the racism and bigotry that is part and parcel of the Zionist ideology, he supported it 100%.

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