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  1. John O
    December 26, 2016, 2:23 pm

    Retreating armies always commit the worst atrocities.

  2. amigo
    December 26, 2016, 2:31 pm

    People like Eli Lake should be allowed to continue to rant and rave. Israel needs no enemies (at the gates) with friends like him already inside .

    Well done Eli , the Palestinians send their thanks and ask that you keep up the good work.

  3. (((James North)))
    December 26, 2016, 2:49 pm

    I thought Eli Lake “rapping” and “smoking bowls” was an April Fool’s joke, but other evidence on the internet backs up ElizabethNolanBrown’s (@ENBrown) account. I hope Eli Lake’s Hasbara Central paymasters don’t get angry if he put the “bowls” on Israel’s expense account.

    • Mooser
      December 26, 2016, 3:01 pm

      It is very, very easy to mistake the effects of various drugs for phases of a Ziocaine Syndrome episode.
      But accusing pot? That’s a bud libel.

      • John O
        December 26, 2016, 3:46 pm

        LOL!!!

      • Talkback
        December 27, 2016, 5:39 am

        Phases of a Ziocaine Syndrome episode? Lake is clearly showing withdrawal symptoms, because Obama didn’t deliever. That’s why they all wait for Trump to become their new plug.

  4. Keith
    December 26, 2016, 3:38 pm

    ELI LAKE- ” Bibi should have told Obama to choke on the aid package.”

    From your mouth to God’s ear!

    • Shingo
      December 27, 2016, 2:47 pm

      And Bobbi is now choking on the UN resolution

      • Citizen
        December 28, 2016, 8:44 am

        Bibi, as in he needs a bib for his Zioncaine drool

  5. Atlantaiconoclast
    December 26, 2016, 3:54 pm

    I peruse conservative and mainstream columns regularly, and I am telling you, Israel’s greatest ammunition is the unchallenged meme that it is America’s best friend!

    If we are to ever make any progress on this issue, we must systematically dismantle this myth and show that Israel is indeed NOT an ally. Not even SJWs though, acknowledge how wrong the meme has been. They just focus on appealing to concern for human rights and political identity.

    But even if SJWs were demolishing the big Israel is our best ally myth, we need to move beyond just SJWs. We need to reach out to the masses.

    Do you want to make a difference? Or do you just want to keep feeling politically correct?

    • Sibiriak
      December 26, 2016, 4:54 pm

      @Atlantaiconoclast: I peruse conservative and mainstream columns regularly, and I am telling you, Israel’s greatest is the unchallenged meme that it is America’s best friend!
      —————–

      From your reading, would you say another conservative/mainstream meme is that (radical) Islam is one of America’s worst enemies, not to mention an enemy of “Judeo-Christian civilization”, and that the pro-Israel and anti-Islam memes work together synergistically?

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        December 26, 2016, 8:26 pm

        Certainly! I agree 100%.

        Still, there is room for using this to our advantage. For example, if we can show how Israel has sown discord in the ME, supporting Al Qaeda and even ISIS in Syria, by serving as their Air Force, by treating their injured fighters, then we might change the dynamic to our favor.

        We can also benefit by not branding everyone who is legitimately concerned about Islamist culture as an Islamophobe. With all of the attention given to terror in the news, is it any wonder so many Americans are terrified of Muslims?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 26, 2016, 9:42 pm

        not branding everyone who is legitimately concerned about Islamist culture as an Islamophobe. With all of the attention given to terror in the news, is it any wonder so many Americans are terrified of Muslims?

        “is it any wonder… Americans are terrified of Muslims” doesn’t lesson the islamophobic nature of fearing all muslims. just because the media pounds this into our homes doesn’t make being terrified of muslims “legitimate”.

        reminds me of “fear of Muslims is rational” http://lobelog.com/flynn-prophet-muhammad-and-quran-are-incompatible-with-modernity/

        no, it isn’t.

    • Mooser
      December 26, 2016, 5:32 pm

      “If we are to ever make any progress on this issue, we must systematically dismantle this myth and show that Israel is indeed NOT an ally.”

      “Atlantaiconoclast” if you can post comments here, you can post comments at any on-line forum. Why don’t you go to those of the “conservative columns” which allow commenting, and try to disabuse them of their notions about Israel. You are a well-spoken person, and should have no trouble making them understand.
      Tell them how unfair it is that Israel can set up an apartheid regime, and we can’t.

      • gamal
        December 26, 2016, 7:21 pm

        “Israel is indeed NOT an ally.”

        ” “Atlantaiconoclast” if you can post comments here, you can post comments at any on-line forum.”

        Mooser you know we weep at the Zionist oppression under which the US labours, its seems to me that Trump allows for the possibility of both classical Anti-Semitism in the sacred capitalist homeland coupled with vigorous Zionism, that will teach you “libtard” anti-zionist Jews,

        “is no ally” just look at Saudi thats a consummated alliance,

        last week it occurred to me that i can go on alt-right or was it breitbart, i learned that yezidis are probs Celtic, there were photos blondes and green eyed girls, Arabs are orcs and Jews have made white people want to dance with their hips and take drugs and have sex with black people,
        are you not a little contrite, we expect a “mullet” go faster stripes and an overwrought tearful rendition of “amazing grace” fucksake try to fit in of which may i multicultural you

        my father was a shadhliyyite, pretty lame really but in the oral lineage the following is recorded,

        during a lecture in Alazhar the sheikh Shadhili was listening to the Sh al Azhar explaining the moral superiority of the Muslims, how noble and restrained our dignity how perfect our conduct, when the august dandy Shad stood up and produced his member and urinated all over his prayer matt, he assiduously cleared himself of urine arranged himself and resumed his seat, there was stunned silence he said, free simple trans, “we don’t look so good now do we”

      • Mooser
        December 26, 2016, 7:42 pm

        “overwrought tearful rendition of “amazing grace”

        If “Amazing Grace” gets a little ‘what-hath-God-overwrought’, and it can, try “Deep River” on a 1925 Bilhorn Preacher’s folding organ. Never fails to move.

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        December 26, 2016, 8:29 pm

        What makes you think I have not? I do all the time, though theconservativetreehouse.com kicked me off of their forums forcing me to use another username and modify my words. If you think I am hard on folks here, you should see me there. Still, I don’t think I get rude or personal with those with whom I disagree.

        As for the apartheid comment, I don’t support forced segregation. I do support freedom of association. And I believe the withering of the state would open up wonderful possibilities for more peaceful co-existence.

      • RoHa
        December 26, 2016, 8:50 pm

        “Arabs are orcs and Jews have made white people want to dance with their hips and take drugs and have sex with black people”

        The rest is OK, but not dancing with their hips. That’s just dirty!

      • Mooser
        December 27, 2016, 11:40 am

        “The rest is OK, but not dancing with their hips. That’s just dirty! “

        Oh, come on. Nobody dances “with their hips” to “Deep River”.

      • Mooser
        December 27, 2016, 11:59 am

        “If you think I am hard on folks here, you should see me there.”

        ROTFLMSJLAO! Oh yeah, you smash those idols by the score!

    • RoHa
      December 26, 2016, 9:00 pm

      I agree with Mooser, though unsarcastically. Challenge the meme. Show how Israel is a burden on the US. Point out that Israel is not a US ally. (You can use my lists of US allies in actual wars, if you want.)

      Of course, you will get a lot of stick for mentioning such uncomfortable truths, but if you keep on pushing the points, a few might get through. Every little helps.

    • Sibiriak
      December 26, 2016, 11:04 pm

      atlantaiconoclast: , we must systematically dismantle this myth and show that Israel is indeed NOT an ally.
      —————–

      Given the deep conservative/Republican sympathy for Israel is — “three-quarters of Republicans (75%) say they sympathize more with Israel (just 7% say they sympathize more with the Palestinians) “ [Pew Research]– a more politically shrewd appeal to conservatives might involve an attack on Israeli expansionism, rather than an all out attack on Israel itself.

      For example Paul Pillar:

      Anyone with a concern for Israel’s security and well-being should be aware that the continued colonization of the West Bank through expansion of settlements does not correlate positively with such security and well-being.

      To the contrary, it detracts from Israeli security. It involves an added burden on the Israel Defense Forces, and it is the most visible part of an occupation that is by far the biggest stimulus and support for those intending to do Israel harm.

      Anyone concerned with U.S. interests should be aware that the United States has no positive interest in the settlements or in the religious or local economic motivations that have stimulated their growth.

      For the United States , it is all negative, in terms of instability, prospects for violence, the stimulation of extremism, and the United States being resented and targeted because of its role in permitting the settlement enterprise. [emphasis added]

      http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/26/trumps-disappearing-neutral-guy

      • echinococcus
        December 27, 2016, 12:46 am

        Sibiriak,

        a more politically shrewd appeal to conservatives might involve an attack on Israeli expansionism

        Not a realistic evaluation of this group’s values.
        Expansionism they have no objection to.
        “Not a US ally”, on the other hand, is real hard. “Moocher” is worse. “Trying to tell us what to do” is a death sentence.
        “Stop paying and get our money back”, “American interest first” are the two keys. Were you paying any attention to the last election?

      • Sibiriak
        December 28, 2016, 5:38 am

        echinococcus: Not a realistic evaluation of this group’s values. Expansionism they have no objection to. “Not a US ally”, on the other hand, is real hard.

        ——————–
        You missed the point entirely. The objection is not to expansionism per se, but to how Israel expansionism endangers U.S. interests and U.S. security.

        [Paul Pillar: For the United States , it is all negative, in terms of instability, prospects for violence, the stimulation of extremism, and the United States being resented and targeted because of its role in permitting the settlement enterprise.

        With American conservatives/Republicans the belief is very strong: Israel IS a U.S. ally–especially in the War on Terror and the War against Militant Islam.

        Paul Pillar know this mindset very well:

        Paul R. Pillar is an academic and 28-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), serving from 1977 to 2005.[1] He is now a non-resident senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Center for Security Studies,[2] as well as a nonresident senior fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence.[1] He was a visiting professor at Georgetown University from 2005 to 2012.[1] He is a contributor to The National Interest.[1][3]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Pillar

        That’s why he frames his argument against the settlements, not Israel per se. Smart move.

        Basic rule in the art of persuasion: It’s better to appeal to the already deeply held beliefs and values of your audience than try to completely overturn them.

        The latter is what fools and moral purists try to do. I wish you luck with your endeavor.

  6. Kay24
    December 26, 2016, 8:16 pm

    It seems responding nastily is an entitlement for zionists only. On the other hand Palestinians must take an occupation, land grabs, water control, blockades, precision bombs, and the punishments meted out by Israel, with a SMILE. Oh those zionists how they love to kick the Palestinians in their teeth again and against and yet…..

    [email protected]
    Israeli @AmbDermer: #Israel won’t be ‘kicked in teeth’ and not respond http://snpy.tv/2ibgUwR #TheLead

  7. Kay24
    December 26, 2016, 8:48 pm

    That is an an example of immaturity based on love for an alien nation over your own and a hatred for a President who simply vetoed a resolution to send a land grabbing nation a message.

    This is laughable considering how they grovel and send thousands of lobbyists to beg to not stop the aid from flowing to the land of ingrates. They certainly know how to blow some hot air that vanishes quickly when they are in need.

    “milkmanjk @JRubinBlogger Bibi should have told Obama to choke on the aid package. Israel doesn’t need it anyway.”

    Time the rich Jewish diaspora stepped in an paid for all the occupation, illegal settlements, and bribing of American leaders. We have better uses within the US for those billions of dollars.

  8. Marnie
    December 27, 2016, 12:31 am

    “milkmanjk @JRubinBlogger Bibi should have told Obama to choke on the aid package. Israel doesn’t need it anyway.”

    That’s terrific news! The money the u.s. chokes on by not sending aid to the zionist state can be given instead to aid Palestine and rebuild Gaza. Thanks for the idea Eli Lake – this will go a very long way to normalize u.s. policy wrt the Middle East and help atone for the u.s. fealty to the zionist state – the worst friend a democracy never had.

    • Citizen
      December 27, 2016, 5:11 am

      2014 US Congressional Report details aid to Israel since 1948 as totalling $121 Billion. Plus much more indirect aid. Of course President Obama just OKd another $38 Billion. Trump promises Israel additional aid.

      • RobertB
        December 27, 2016, 11:21 am

        The Staggering Cost of Israel
        to Americans

        If Americans Knew
        April 12, 2013
        Updated: August 8, 2014

        “Yet, Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation. The US has, in fact, given more aid to Israel than it has to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined—which have a total population of over a billion people.

        And foreign aid is just one component of the staggering cost of our alliance with Israel.

        Given the tremendous costs, it is critical to examine why we lavish so much aid on Israel, and whether it is worth Americans’ hard-earned tax dollars. But first, let’s take a look at what our alliance with Israel truly costs.”

        And for the rest of the details… click on link below:

        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html

    • Kay24
      December 27, 2016, 7:24 am

      That is some chutzpah!

      • hophmi
        December 27, 2016, 11:35 am

        Quoting neo-Nazis, are we?

      • Keith
        December 27, 2016, 12:34 pm

        HOPHMI- “Quoting neo-Nazis, are we?”

        Victoria Nuland doesn’t comment on Mondoweiss.

      • Kay24
        December 27, 2016, 1:31 pm

        UN resolution bothering you Hoppy?

  9. hophmi
    December 27, 2016, 11:13 am

    More hot air from Mondowhackjobs complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians.

    • eljay
      December 27, 2016, 11:29 am

      || hophmi: More hot air from Mondowhackjobs complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians. ||

      Says the Zionist who – like all Zionists – is complicit in the seemingly endless campaign of (war) crimes committed by his co-collectivists and his “eternal homeland” – the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State”. Good one.

    • Mooser
      December 27, 2016, 12:17 pm

      “More hot air from Mondowhackjobs complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians.”

      “Quoting neo-Nazis, are we?”

      “Hophmi”, have you thought about lying down in a darkened room, and bathing your temples with eau-de cologne?
      I looked it up on the Web and many reccommend it as a holistic home-remedy for Ziocaine Syndrome hysteria.

      • Talkback
        December 27, 2016, 12:41 pm

        hophmi is having a meltdown, too.

    • Marnie
      December 27, 2016, 12:18 pm

      You’re out of your zionized mind hophni. Time for rehab baby.

    • Keith
      December 27, 2016, 12:31 pm

      HOPHMI- “More hot air from Mondowhackjobs complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians.”

      Supporters of empire such as you?

    • Talkback
      December 27, 2016, 12:50 pm

      hophmi: “Typically, like most fakes, … can’t write a paragraph without engaging in extensive, irrelevant, ad hominem attacks against … interlocutors, …”

      Exactly.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      December 28, 2016, 12:35 am

      YOUR lobby has most of the blood on its hands for promoting the destabilization of Syria. You tell me what leader would not do what Assad has done if they were up against Islamic savages trying to overthrow it! All these crocodile tears over Syrians from hateful Zionists!

      • Citizen
        December 28, 2016, 8:54 am

        Israel has nursed US-labeled terrorist troops fighting in Syria, and it’s US-developed and paid-for air force bombs Syrian government troops in behalf said terrorists.

  10. James Canning
    December 27, 2016, 12:59 pm

    Perhaps Obama did Israel a good turn, by allowing the UNSC resolution to go through. “Tough love” category.

    • echinococcus
      December 27, 2016, 1:22 pm

      Fortunately Zionists are by definition unable to recognize any well-meaning help and they will necessarily continue to destruction. So this resolution cannot help them, it will provide a bitterly-needed nail in their coffin.

      Same for other “tough love” nonsense like Zionist-supported limited boycott and sanctions: the Zionists are so ideologically predetermined that they cannot at any time recognize help and they necessarily react as to an attack, thereby also hastening their own demise.

      Here’s to its generally unregrettable death!

  11. Ossinev
    December 27, 2016, 1:20 pm

    To get a really good flavour of Zionist reaction to Obama and the vote have a listen to this unhinged moron or so called “New York State Assemblyman”
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/222371

    Note how he unconsciously drifts into talking about “our people ” and ” our country” ie not America but Israel. The insults including the”Hussein” jibe to a fellow Democrat nevermind a two term serving and still serving American President are breathtaking and despicable.

    Surely sometime in the very near future America will wake up to the fact that there are thousands of these Fifth Column Israeli Firsters in positions of power and that they really and truly do not give a toss about America`s interests when it comes to the interests of their country of first loyalty = Israel.

    • amigo
      December 27, 2016, 4:52 pm

      0ssinev , thanks for the link to that zionist moron.It should be saved for possible moments when ones commitment to the Palestinian cause might wane .12 minutes of this guy should re invigorate one to a new level of disgust for zionism and it,s adherents.

  12. catalan
    December 27, 2016, 3:05 pm

    Says the Zionist who – like all Zionists – is complicit in the seemingly endless campaign of (war) crimes – eljay
    From the little I know about Hophmi, he is not “complicit” in anything Israel does. He just writes on this blog telling his thoughts. Likewise, you are not “complicit” in any help for the Palestinians, you are just writing thoughts. If you sent a meaningful amount of money to Gaza, or went to work there as a volunteer, that would be helping. Social media as a whole maybe has some impact, how big who knows, but each of us has close to zero (concept of limit in mathematics).

    • eljay
      December 27, 2016, 3:53 pm

      || catalan: … From the little I know about Hophmi, he is not “complicit” in anything Israel does. He just writes on this blog telling his thoughts. Likewise, you are not “complicit” in any help for the Palestinians, you are just writing thoughts. … ||

      It’s interesting that you don’t address hophmi’s inflammatory assertion that people here on MW are “complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians” simply for telling their thoughts / writing thoughts.

      || … If you sent a meaningful amount of money to Gaza, or went to work there as a volunteer, that would be helping. … ||

      I have donated money to Palestinian causes, but I don’t know how much a “meaningful amount” is. Please do tell.

    • Mooser
      December 27, 2016, 4:31 pm

      Hey “catalan” where do you think most of the money to establish and maintain the illegal settlements comes from?
      Comes from Zionist individuals and organizations. You do know about “complicity” as it applies to funding and materially supporting illegal actions?

      • oldgeezer
        December 27, 2016, 5:21 pm

        @Mooser

        Not being a lawyer and given the history of UNSC resolutions on the issue I have to wonder if class action suits could be laid against these organizations and some of billionaires providing the funding.

      • catalan
        December 27, 2016, 5:32 pm

        You do know about “complicity” as it applies to funding and materially supporting illegal actions? – mooser
        According to you, Beersheba is also an illegal settlement. Much of the aid that the US sends goes to military bases in and around Beersheba, or other territories gained in the 1948 war. Therefore, the US is complicit in this illegal enterprise.
        Now who is responsible? Maybe the president, maybe some high ranking officials, I really don’t know. I do know that you and I and my neighbors the Garcias are not responsible.
        But of course, which part of Israel is illegal is the subject of much of the discussion here. 1947, 1967, all of it, something in between?

      • Mooser
        December 27, 2016, 6:04 pm

        “But of course, which part of Israel is illegal is the subject of much of the discussion here. 1947, 1967, all of it, something in between”

        Many of the settlements, if not all, are actually illegal under Israeli law. Not to mention international law and the UN. Is that good enough for you?

      • Mooser
        December 27, 2016, 6:52 pm

        “I have to wonder if class action suits…”

        Wouldn’t be class action suits, it would be “The US versus ………”, since they are US laws.

      • catalan
        December 27, 2016, 10:34 pm

        Many of the settlements, if not all, are actually illegal under Israeli law. Not to mention international law and the UN. Is that good enough for you? – Mooser
        The language game of international law (to use Wittgenstein) is not the language game Israelis see. They think of simple survival. From their point of view, the evacuation of settlements will be followed by a prohibition to visit the Western Wall. Next, a resolution will pass to accept all 8 million refugees. After that, the return to 1947. Finally, a war for elimination in which Israel has lost its strategic value to the US and is left to disappear.
        They believe that Mondoweiss won’t disappear when they leave the settlements and the security council will continue with the resolutions.
        If your enemy is left with nothing to hope for, no ability to keep anything, they will view any compromise as a step to extinction. That’s how I would view it if I were Israeli. Why give anything when they want everything? BDS is better than complete defeat. Maybe the defeat will come either way, but why not choose the slow one, while inflicting maximum damage in the process. Morality is a luxury of the strong.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 28, 2016, 12:44 am

        That’s how I would view it if I were Israeli. Why give anything when they want everything?

        catalan, your spiel is an excellent example of the oppressor seeking to be viewed as the oppressed. as your “jewish state” plows through what’s left of palestine, the very last remnants, you want sympathy, understanding or comradery? i don’t care how you view it.

        They think of simple survival.

        liar.

      • echinococcus
        December 27, 2016, 11:56 pm

        “Catalan”,

        I do know that you and I and my neighbors the Garcias are not responsible.

        Strange, I was under the impression that both you and the Garcias live in the US, subject to US lwas and taxation, and even may have the right to vote. Of course you are responsible.

      • echinococcus
        December 28, 2016, 1:04 am

        Annie,

        They think of simple survival.

        liar.

        Totally irrelevant even if they were a lie. Survival of the Zionist entity is a major crime against humanity.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 28, 2016, 1:09 am

        Totally irrelevant

        frankly, i don’t give a crap if my opinion is irrelevant to you, consider it mutual.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 28, 2016, 1:58 am

        Catalan,

        Yossi Israeli is traumatised. That is the starting point. The slightest concession will lead to Auschwitz. That is how Yossi thinks. It is also what he was taught. Only the IDF can guarantee security. The Americans provide the weapons. Etc

        -The peace paradigm requires addressing Yossi’s trauma. American Jews should pay for it cos they are family.
        -Peace requires a revamp of Judaism. No more extremist individuals defining doctrine a la Hebron or the King’s Torah. Judaism needs quality control.
        -The Israeli education system will need to be restructured to allow Israeli kids to see Palestinians as equal.

        Israel may refuse to reform and become more vulnerable to a cataclysm down the line. The big danger is how Israel educates its kids in the age of Netanyahu and Bennett. People who believe the world hates them can do awful things. And mean reversion is a bitch.

      • Talkback
        December 28, 2016, 5:02 am

        @ Mooser,

        please keep in mind that Catalan doesn’t support Zionism. (“I don’t support any exclusive nationalistic rights”)
        He supports the rights of Palestinian refugees to return and even argues that all Palestinians allover the world are allowed to move and settle in Israel: (“You cannot make a logical case for why people should not be allowed to move and settle anywhere, including against the wishes of the locals.”)

    • catalan
      December 28, 2016, 9:00 am

      please keep in mind that Catalan doesn’t support Zionism. (“I don’t support any exclusive nationalistic rights”) –
      Talkback,
      It is true that I find all nationalism to do more harm than good. In a perfect world, all human beings would be welcome as citizens anywhere. However, it is this world and I was simply trying to explain why the pressure on Israel will not bear the intended fruit – as the end game is viewed to be, rightly or wrongly, the end of Israel.
      I don’t think universal brotherhood and sisterhood is coming any time soon. And by the way, Israel is not “my” state, and I don’t seek sympathy or camaraderie. I am an American citizen and very proud of it. Let’s say I contribute mightily to its Treasury.

  13. chinese box
    December 27, 2016, 3:34 pm

    Without reading the text I assumed at first that that photo on the T-shirt was Lake himself, and that it supposed to be some type of hipster ironic statement

    He’s a dead ringer for Begin.

  14. catalan
    December 27, 2016, 4:30 pm

    I have donated money to Palestinian causes, but I don’t know how much a “meaningful amount” is. Please do tell. –
    Annual aid to the Palestinians is about 2 billion. So the impact of your money as a percentage of the total is probably very small, not meaningful. That’s my point – an individual person, unless very powerful politically, or very wealthy, has no impact on global affairs.
    Thus, individual Israelis need not suffer from things that their government does, just like I, as an American, am not held accountable for the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam or the fact that America is taking an unfair share of the world’s resources.

    • amigo
      December 27, 2016, 5:03 pm

      “Annual aid to the Palestinians is about 2 billion. So the impact of your money as a percentage of the total is probably very small, not meaningful “catalan.

      Ever heard of crowd funding .

      The impact of your intellectual contribution here is about as meaningful as our individual contributions to the Palestinian cause.

      Btw , are you still of the opinion that “Americans are basically stupid and uneducated .”

    • John O
      December 27, 2016, 5:41 pm

      @catalan

      I used to do some voluntary work for a charity. We would refurbish old hand-tools such as scissors, chisels, drills, saws and sewing-machines, that were then boxed and sent to Africa. I frequently felt my contributions were a drop in the ocean, until I read a letter from the charity’s patron, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, saying basically – “Don’t ever feel that what you do is without meaning. No matter how small, it makes a contribution, has meaning, and a worthy purpose.” I’ll stick with that good man’s advice, rather than yours.

    • eljay
      December 27, 2016, 5:53 pm

      || catalan: … Annual aid to the Palestinians is about 2 billion. So the impact of your money as a percentage of the total is probably very small, not meaningful. … ||

      That’s a non-answer. You said that one way to help the people of Gaza is to send “a meaningful amount of money to Gaza”. How much, in dollars, is a “meaningful amount”?

      || … That’s my point – an individual person, unless very powerful politically, or very wealthy, has no impact on global affairs. … ||

      But according to hophmi, individuals here at MW are “complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians”. Is he mistaken? Or do you agree with his assertion?

    • echinococcus
      December 27, 2016, 11:43 pm

      This guy must also be an accountant. All the graces.

    • echinococcus
      December 27, 2016, 11:48 pm

      “Catalan”

      Thus, individual Israelis need not suffer from things that their government does,

      Who else? There is something called accountability. Accountants wouldn’t know.
      If your nonsense boast of “democracy” is accepted, all Meistervolk Zionists all over the world are in the dock and they better pay through the nose.

      just like I, as an American, am not held accountable for the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam or the fact that America is taking an unfair share of the world’s resources.

      You’re not held accountable? Sancta simplicitas…

  15. Maghlawatan
    December 27, 2016, 5:47 pm

    Catalan, Isr Gov spending per settler is 170% Isr Gov spending per non settler Jew. Yesha is the reason Shoah survivors live in poverty, why it is so hard for Orthodox women to leave violent marriages and why Israeli math tests results are so poor on the Pisa scale. Israeli society serves the occupation. YESHA sucks in all available cash . It is the main reason Israel is a fleapit. Zionism could have had respect for women or education as a founding principle. Instead they chose land worship. YESHA is the result.

  16. catalan
    December 27, 2016, 6:40 pm

    Eljay,
    I don’t agree with hophmi that anyone here is “complicit” with what happened in Syria. I think he is using hyperbole but not really sure what he means by that. Obviously commenting here does not cause any harm to anyone.

    • RoHa
      December 27, 2016, 9:17 pm

      “Obviously commenting here does not cause any harm to anyone. ”

      Commenting here can do much worse than harm. It can offend people.

    • Mooser
      December 27, 2016, 10:45 pm

      “Obviously commenting here does not cause any harm to anyone.”

      Yes, but when “Jon s” makes the statement that another commenter is “a murderer and Anti-Semite (with two capital letters!)” and calls for his prosecution, you know he’s sure trying.

    • echinococcus
      December 27, 2016, 11:13 pm

      “Catalan”

      Obviously commenting here does not cause any harm to anyone.

      Not so obvious.
      The Nuremberg Court forcefully expressed an opinion diametrically contrary to yours –by hanging Streicher.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 28, 2016, 3:01 pm

        Echi , Streicher was the only journalist executed by the victors. None of his writers were killed. Very few Nazis were executed by the Allies. Most Nazis who didn’t die in the war were left alone .
        Streicher was actually quite unlucky since he had fallen out of favour in 1942.

      • echinococcus
        December 28, 2016, 11:58 pm

        Sure, Watan. Which makes even more significant the symbolic gesture of hanging one head propagandist as part of the conspiracy to commit aggression: all deliberate propaganda has been on notice since then.

    • eljay
      December 27, 2016, 11:20 pm

      || catalan: Eljay,
      I don’t agree with hophmi that anyone here is “complicit” with what happened in Syria. … ||

      Thank you for your reply to that question. I still would appreciate a reply to the other one. :-)

    • Talkback
      December 28, 2016, 3:45 am

      Catalan: “I don’t agree with hophmi that anyone here is “complicit” with what happened in Syria.”

      Anyone but hophmi.

      New UN report reveals collaboration between Israel and Syrian rebels
      http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-UN-report-reveals-collaboration-between-Israel-and-Syrian-rebels-383926

  17. Mooser
    December 27, 2016, 6:56 pm

    “I don’t agree with hophmi that anyone here is “complicit” with what happened in Syria.”

    Would they be “complicit” if they sent money to support illegal activities and settlements, like Zionists do? Would that be “complicity” or “hyperbole”?

    • Talkback
      December 28, 2016, 3:46 am

      Is hophmi an Israeli?

      • Maghlawatan
        December 28, 2016, 8:25 am

        My guess is American Orthodox

      • Mooser
        December 28, 2016, 1:19 pm

        “My guess is American Orthodox”

        “Hophmi”? You think so? You might be right. Can’t go by looks.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 28, 2016, 2:58 pm

        Mooser, Conservative or Reform would be more rational. Orthodox tend to be more rabid. I also guess Hoppy is 70+

      • Mooser
        December 28, 2016, 6:23 pm

        .” I also guess Hoppy is 70+”

        No, he’s one of the post-68er’s. Educated in post-six-day-war parochialism and triumphalism.
        In his 50s more likely.

  18. gingershot
    December 27, 2016, 7:37 pm

    What we are seeing is a very toxic narcissistic spiral downwards – same as Bibi, same as is coming all over. That’s why the CIS is there and apparently a CIS/CNAS Yair Lapid ‘Shadow Government’ (reported TiimesofIsrael iirc) centrist Israeli Working Group, to take over now that Bibi has so obviously and clearly ‘Broke Bad’, so clearly and cliinically and strategically obviously deteriorated? Timberrrrr….Heisenberg royally discomfitted the Pooch, I would say. Imagine a legacy as the man who lost Israel…

    Me, Myeself and Irene-level Involuntary Narcissist Rage is actually a diagnostic term, and Bibi is a prime example of it – he’s really a model for it and so is Lake. You took the bully’s carte blanche away from him. So this previously toleranted Kahanist becomes a so ‘Busted Jews’-guy, hostile and regressed, at the end of his rope, desperate, vengeful, ready to do anything is the way everybody sees it. J Theres a better way to live without the distractions from the drama queens

    The Commanders for Israeli Security and many American Jews will be there with a significant part of the state apparatus to prepare for 1P1V1S and rights and responsibilities for all under the law

    Election in Palestine are necessary to preceed votes Pan-Israel/Palestine, including the 5 million refugees who need their purple thumbs and will have them soon, many of/most to them if they becomes well off?

  19. gingershot
    December 27, 2016, 9:07 pm

    Humiliations galore! Has any group Scr*wed the Pooch and got caught in flagrante delicto so thoroughly as this, in a long long time?

    Next thing these ‘Neocons in full rout’, ‘Neocons in the Open’ will try to do is play their ‘Abuser as Victim-Game’ again – they get to channel and recapitulate the masochist that way.
    Over and over – it’s compulsive and it’s really the only trick they have, like a One Trick Pony kind of thing.

    Lake has been OUTED, drug out in the sun. SUNLIGHT!

    It’s the story of the century! It’s better than the OJ case and best of all Dershowitz is in it and Loses! It’s great

    Jewish power is what Eli Lake is all about, and he is meltdown, absolutely right.

    Loss of Narcissistic defenses that he (and so many, many others/most of us, to some degree) were forced to develop as young kids, Kahanist stuff, Avigdor Lieberman stuff, the bullying type of stuff, the inglorious bastard, the ‘Abuser as Victim-Game’ like Bibi keeps trying to find an audience for, the empowered side of the Narcissistic Sadomasochistic coin. Now he’s the flip side, he’s been flipped. Snapped, he’s in shock and awe, and thru that is anger. And he doesn’t know who this anger is for, except he does. He’s got a very steep learning curve/high cliff and he has zero time. This guy is dangerous, if he had any power. ONLY STOPPED, only restrained, not curable.

    a supremacist, militant, entitled Kahanist, big money and big power. Valhalla almost.
    The Bully Stick. Made Men. The Flexian Neocon (The Shadow Elite, Wedel), the ‘normalized Neocon’, the ‘Kahanist is A-OK’ vaudeville show.

    Wiley Coyote is one step from institutionalization. BEEP! BEEP! Bib!, says Palestinian roadrunner. People are literally spitting on him almost.

    Narcissistic Meltdown – imagine the energy he would unleash in some way if he could – like Johnny Rocco in Key Largo, imagine that to avoid feeling like this this guy has done just about anything he needed to, or even wanted to. Look at how angry and NASTY it is, it’s old deep down primal narcissitic defense-creating stuff. He needed help long ago but turned into a LOTR guy name like a gulp in the throat

    Bibi and Eli Lake are people for whom there is no place left to run. They’ve lost their Invisibility Sutra, the Nightflower is exposed and it a Little Shop of Horrors, ain’t it? Has everybody seen the world just SPITTING ON JEWS – it’s amazing. Does Bibi see those people applauding and spitting in his dreams, even? BINGO

    so busted, Jews – Peter Beinart has long said now that ‘Jews will never be the same’ as America begins to be informed as to just what happened 12 23 16 with UN 2334 – it’s an incredible story with massive amounts of intrigues, Russia and Bibi! Evidence! Humiliations Galore!.

    ‘Jews will never be the same’ – neither will the people who lived with Jews, either. Best of all, the challenging of authority and speaking truth to power can be fresh American thing. Lots of fresh America things, like not tolerating a Kahanist Israeli Apartheid

    Imagine the imminent exposure of Apartheid Israel to Americans, black and white – thar she be – Apartheid Israel – how about suits against Israelis during JASTA trials, the suppression of the American media by Kahanist/Zionist disapproval, Saban and Hillary, Trump and Adelson and now bizarrely, Trump and Bibi. Bibi’s 2nd Putsch against the US, a clear and present danger to the United States of American, the 3rd time’s a charm time, everybody who’s counting

    Now that is what I call Easy Street…it’s one big bag. The Apartheid and the Neocons, all the Kahanists and Geert Wilders, Breivik

    controlling media coverage of Israel and Palestine to the point of absurdity in the plain face of reality. To obfuscate Americans to the point where they are so systematically and obviously lied to and misinformed is actually called psyops and propaganda, not journalism

    We don’t want an america complicit and active in following a Kahanist Clean Break Objective for Israel/The Israel Lobby (to save Apartheid I and the Israeli Lobby’s absolute supremacy) – and we’re going to make that happen now – there is a transformation happening right now, everyone can feel it – and like blowing sand in the pages of time

    The CIS/CNAS Working Group and the Yair Lapid volunteering centrist Israeli government would seem to be a good fit for this moment. The world has already started applauding – it’s clearer better without any of this Kahanist silliness anymore, masquerading as this thing or that

    For Bibi there is a different story.

    Berlin, 1945. Bibi, alone in his bunker, the man who lost Israel

    The Prime Minister of Israel has had a nervous breakdown and is no longer fit to command. The CIS, Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid can form a coaltion – ELECTIONS IN ISRAEL or straight to the 1P1V1S?
    We also need some pro bono work for a 28th amendment, America free of foreign donations from the state of Israel or in service of Lobbying congress for aid, money, arms, intelligence, or anything else.

    28th Amendment – would Rep Tusli Gabbard perhaps care to sponsor an amendment like this? Private law groups? Southern Poverty Law Center?

  20. mcohen.
    December 28, 2016, 8:07 am

    Netanyahu is being tested by higher ups.desperate times,a battle of wills.it is possible that the wily old fox will survive this very delicate putsch.the problem is the miseable cast of characters that oppose him.only the Israeli people can decide his fate.an American sponsored coup might work in s.amerca but not in Israel

    • mcohen.
      December 29, 2016, 1:46 am

      I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for my spelling mistake.miserable not miseable.one should look on the bright side of life,but peer cautiously into the darkness.if the Russians and Turks can make peace in Syria,stop all hostilities before the April 2017,could some sort of deal also include the i/p.the Obama arab sprung spring would have come full circle,if at the end of this “miserable” affair some light could shine on the m.e. and give hope to all those people living in the region.come mr Netanyahu time to come up with the better alternative too the miserable bunch of useless leaders who oppose Israel.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2016, 3:50 pm

        “mr Netanyahu time to come up with the better alternative too the miserable bunch of useless leaders who oppose Israel.”

        You mean the “useless leaders” who just passed the UN resolution?

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