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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Netanyahu heads to New York to ‘refute all the lies’ and praise ‘the most moral army in the world’
  • When Rouhani says blaming ISIS on Islam is Islamophobic, is anyone listening?
    • hi guys, i had never heard of the Bahai people until Sassan's post. my comment "i thought this might be of this interest to you" is neither an endorsement or a condemnation of the site or the information in it. the information was linked by me 'opinion-less' because i don't know anything about it. i added the reuters link for further reference. the MEK is a notorious terrorist group who has worked with both israel/US/mossad/cia but i don't know how connected, if any, they are to the MEK. reuters is a somewhat reputable msm.

      either way i don't support collective punishment of a people, any people. and again, i know nothing of the bahai people.

    • Bahai’s have been executed for not converting to Shiism and for being Bahai. Bahai’s are systematically oppressed

      i thought this might interest you. from The Bahai Insider link to thebahaiinsider.com

      Came across the following article on the web sent by one of my FaceBook friends..time and again, we find Bahai violating the rules of the land – when it comes to spying (remember Indian spying case), conversions (remember Indonesia, Uzbekistan etc). And then they cry hoarse about how these countries are treating them shabbily.

      Some things will never change…

      link to reuters.com

      Iran Arrests 30 Over U.S.-linked Cyber Ring
      Reuters

      March 14, 2010
      Editor’s note: In February, the Bipartisan Policy Center held a war game and concluded cyber attacks would come from Russian, Chinese, and Sudanese hackers. It now appears the cyber threat in part originates from the CIA-supported Mujahadeen-e-Khalq.

      Iran has arrested 30 people suspected of belonging to a U.S.-linked cyber network gathering information on Iranian nuclear scientists and sending people abroad for training, a news agency reported on Saturday.

      It said the group sought to recruit people through the Internet for training in Iraq with the People’s Mujahideen Organisation, a leftist exile group which launched attacks on the Islamic Republic from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq

      “Thirty people were arrested in connection with an organised American cyber war network via a series of complex security measures in the field of information technology and communications,” the Fars news agency said.

      Tehran’s general and revolutionary court said one of the group was linked to an outlawed sect — a reference to the Baha’i religious minority, the agency said.

      “Among the charges against this network are creating an intelligence gathering network, including identification of the country’s nuclear scientists and staging illegal demonstrations and encouraging the public to take part in them after the presidential elections,” it said.

    • sure, you can talk on the subject. but there are probably millions of iranians born in iran, with most of their family in Iran, who believe in freedom and democracy who do not believe the regime rules through terror and tyranny. so, based on your qualifications alone, your opinions are not more valid than anyone else who shares them and they are perhaps much less valid than an iranian who lives there year round.

      btw, from past experience i know you support the zionist regime in israel. so that sort of disqualifies your allegation that you believe in freedom and democracy.

    • jeff, often congressional resolutions reflect the will of lobbiests, like aipac, not the american public. ever heard of the balochistan freedom act 2005? 'over the 2000s the American people had come to believe that freedom in (balochistan) should be our policy!!!!'

      hahahaha

    • Remember you were asking my source. My source is mainstream news and opinion.

      yeah, i wanted to know your source. 'saddam had WMD's' was 'mainstream' too, didn't make it right and didn't make it mainstream public opinion either.

      Like I said I don’t think what I was saying about who is in ISIS was even controversial,

      i could care less whether you think it's controversial, it's BS

      it is .. mainstream opinion.

      no, it is not. it is hogwash used to brainwash the american public. i'm done w/your idiotic 'analysis'.

    • jeff, AQ was not indigenous to iraq and came in after saddam was not in power. saddam's forces and sunni iraqis were referenced by US military as "sunni insurgents". but that put the US military in the uncomfortable position of being at war with iraqis, whereas they are always more comfortable positioning themselves as 'a moderating force' so very conveniently AQ showed up and started attacking...other sunnis!!!

      anyway, they were not one in the same during that period in 06 petraus was referencing in the article:

      First of all, you have to recognize that the Sunni Arabs were not going to reconcile. They were not going to have an awakening, if you will. They weren’t going to raise their hand and say, “We’ll take on Al Qaeda,” until they were assured that we could secure them. …

      Once they saw that we were committed, once they saw that we were able to secure them, they’d gotten tired of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda had been abusive. It had been blowing Sunni Arabs up and Sunni mosques up in addition to Shia Arabs and mosques. So they were keen to get these individuals out of their areas and to reintegrate into an Iraq which has such bounty.

      so when you said Saddam loyalists or members of Al Qaeda in Iraq umm, that was not the case.

      and it was under petraeus the US "lost" like hundreds of thousands of machine guns in iraq. enough to supply a civil war. i am not sure he's the best source of info on iraq. nor the cia. but even by their own estimates, according to your bbc link:

      The latest CIA estimate was up to 15k foreigners have joined ISIS with 31,500 active fighters.

      even that is 50%. i don't think the US gov analysis (all that talk of 'moderate' oppositon??) is very accurate at all. they never even admitted the vast majority of assad opposition were jhihadists until after they announced they joined isis and that was something any informed person knew for at least a couple years prior.

    • I’m not sure if I’d call the Shia government US designed.

      yeah, in fact hakim visited the WH. it was the US that threw all the power to the shias in iraq. this is not rocket science.

      iraq was a secular country w/saddam. people inter married. it was the US who set the sunni and shia against each other in iraq. google black and decker.

    • How is that not local funding? As for indigenous your own articles have Syrians saying they are being pushed towards ISIS because the USA isn’t attacking Assad. How is that consistent with ISIS being a bunch of foreign fighters.

      hmm, how is that (Syrians saying they are being pushed towards ISIS because the USA isn’t attacking Assad) inconsistent with ISIS being foreign fighters? locals being pushed towards supporting foreign influence doesn't refute the idea foreign influence exists.

      either way, i wasn't linking to that because i agreed with all of it (at all) i linked to it as well as the MOA link so you could see what is informing me. ie WHERE I GET MY INFORMATION. something you are refusing to do. i think it is a fair question. if you're mouthing daniel pipes, SITE, the weekly standard, WAPO, rudoren.. or some israeli think tank. just spit it out.

    • i think you misunderstood me jeff b. i didn't asked for more of your analysis when i asked who is your source on this (“clearly drawing broadly from those communities “) analysis?

      can you just link to the source of your assertions/allegations please. iow, who is it that informs you?

      also, wrt al baghdadi being "homegrown" did you read Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says link to nytimes.com

      On Wednesday, a senior American military spokesman provided a new explanation for Baghdadi's ability to escape attack: He never existed.

      Brigadier General Kevin Bergner, the chief American military spokesman, said the elusive Baghdadi was actually a fictional character whose audio-taped declarations were provided by an elderly actor named Abu Adullah al-Naima.

      The ruse, Bergner said, was devised by Abu Ayub al-Masri, the Egyptian-born leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, who was trying to mask the dominant role that foreigners play in that insurgent organization.

      The ploy was to invent Baghdadi, a figure whose very name establishes his Iraqi pedigree, install him as the head of a front organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and then arrange for Masri to swear allegiance to him. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, sought to reinforce the deception by referring to Baghdadi in his video and Internet statements.

      The evidence for the American assertions, Bergner announced at a news briefing, was provided by an Iraqi insurgent: Khalid Abdul Fatah Daud Mahmud al-Mashadani, who was said to have been captured by American forces in Mosul on July 4.

      anyway, you see how this works? please provide a link. thanks

      and this:

      they were Saddam loyalists or members of Al Qaeda in Iraq; manythe leadership from Zarqawi’s time.

      again, source please.

    • if the Sunnis had a choice to vote between an ISIS government or the Iraqi Shia government they would pick ISIS.

      why are the only choices between ISIS government or a US designed and imposed government? and saddam (like assad) squashed religious extremists, yet the US squashed him. why was he a threat to the US or iraqis more than isis?

    • . I think it is fair to say that the Sunnis of Eastern Syria have picked ISIS over the Alawite government of Assad.

      why? i suppose you know the majority of the syrian army are sunni.

      I do think it is fair to say it represents at least strong undercurrents of the Sunnis of Eastern Syria and Northern Iraq. ISIS is clearly drawing broadly from those communities and is able to function in them with broad community support.

      who is your source on this ("clearly drawing broadly from those communities ") analysis? the US gov? please provide some links. and why aren't you mentioning the foreign fighters? you're making isis sound home grown. it isn't. it's not indigenous to iraq or syria, nor funded locally.

      this might interest you link to moonofalabama.org

      link to mcclatchydc.com

  • The name games
    • Or a better idea-only count one child name per married couple (meaning-multiple Moises and Mohammeds won’t count)

      umm, i'm almost certain the list of names reflects the most popular names of newborns in the given year. something tells me limiting it to one child per couple in a given year won't make much of a dent on outcome. unless they are twins name mohammed and mohammed....or the woman gives birth in january and another the following november or december, which is not that common.

      beyond that i've never heard of parents naming the siblings the exact same name, unless one of those children dies or something.

    • the bay area?!! it's a date! finally we can meet ;)

    • Back in my younger days I taught school in the neighboring village of Sakhnin. We lacked textbooks and I spent a lot of time writing on the blackboard. Whenever the class got too noisy I would shout without turning around: “Muhammad and his neighbor, stop talking.”

      i love your writing Hatim.

  • A catalog of impunity
    • did you see the videos ivri? they are not all 17 by a long shot.

      the Hamas guys hid underground in deep tunnels shielded by civilians and children above
      zzzzz

    • more

    • got it ivri. some stone throwing.

      i guess that would explain why The Alternative Information Center reports 260 Palestinian children have been arrested in East Jerusalem in the last few weeks. This represents a sharp escalation in the detainment of Palestinian children. Haaretz link to haaretz.com

      Attorney Lea Tsemel, who represents dozens of juvenile suspects, slams the police and legal system’s treatment of them, describing it as harsh and vindictive. She says police almost automatically ask the court to place the children in custody for long periods, even when they’re suspected of negligible offenses – and the court usually does so.

      ....“The interrogators get all kinds of things out of the children,” says Tsemel. In one case they added to the charge sheet that the act had stemmed from hatred of Jews. “They turned it into an anti-Semitic crime. I told them to ask the suspects about hatred of the occupation,” she says.

      In the last three months alone, over 2,200 Palestinians have been arrested by Israeli forces.

  • Champaign-Urbana holds Rosh Hashanah service for Professor Salaita
    • “We take responsibility and we will work to make it stop.”

      jews 'of color' (meaning maserati who are the majority of jews in the world including israel). they will take responsibility and work to stop their invisibility and marginalization.

  • Anti-Zionist train makes stop at Washington Post
    • since you're new here i suggest you check out the comment policy link. regarding your recently trashed comment, nakba denial is not allowed here. continued efforts to refute or deny history, the expulsion of palestinians from palestine, will get you permanently banned.

  • Abbas calls on UN Security Council to end the occupation
    • seafoid, that's perfect!

    • gene, no border proposals. link to mondoweiss.net can't have 2 states w/no borders. besides, netanyahu recently announced no end to occupation. so your claim is BS

    • shingo, yes it would be better for an accommodation to be reached, but i don't believe israelis can/will be accommodating. and i know palestinians have more sumud than i do, still i want to see this in my lifetime.

    • nick, you can only threaten for so long. it's been threatened time and again. last year abbas threatened and then backed off in agreement for a 9 month negotiation and freeing prisoners which produced nothing but 2/3 of the prisoner release, and then israel reneged and stole those people back during the summer WB pogrom. so why not go then, last spring?

      For Abbas to achieve a boundary agreement and an exit schedule in a diplomatic manner is worth infinitely more than a series of long drawn out sessions at the ICC

      but he will not receive a boundary agreement, please! we've been thru this time and again.

      2011 "where's the proposal?" link to mondoweiss.net

      2014 "it's the borders stupid" link to mondoweiss.net

      anyone who thinks israel is going to turn in their proposals now in this 3 month juncture is living in fantasy land. you can't just say 'you've got another extension' time and time again? it's time to cough it up now or get on with it. at least it's 3 months instead of 9. why not one week? seriously, in 3 months will things be any different. they should poop or get off the pot, not just push this down the road again. everyone is ready for change, now!

    • it seems as tho it is dragging on forever ..but then this:

      Palestinian Economic Minister Mr. Shtayyeh said this afternoon the text of the Security Council resolution he saw makes clear a deadline of three months, and Dr. Barghouti added that once an agreement on borders has been reached, Israel will then have three years to remove their civilians and forces. If the United States vetoes this resolution inside the Security Council, as many expect, Dr. Barghouti said the Palestinian leaders would then seek the option of acceding to the Rome Statute to join the International Criminal Court (ICC) where they could then charge Israel with crimes against humanity.

      iow, there's 3 months to agree to borders and the rest of the three years to pull out? if this is the gist of it does that mean if there's no proposal in 3 months they go to the ICC?

      Indeed there is overwhelming support among Palestinians to pursue the ICC, and for weeks Palestinian officials have fingered Abbas as the lone holdout. “Some think the Rome Statute is like the nuclear option,” said Barghouti of his guarded colleagues. “In my opinion this could be a reasonable opinion before Gaza, not after.”

      when is abbas going to keel over?

  • Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders get off Israel bandwagon, for once
    • The Senate is warning Palestinians against undertaking any “negative” unilateral actions re Israel at the United Nations

      with all due respect phil, it is the word "unilateral" which should be in scare quotes. the idea of approaching a world body for international consensus as "unilateral" is an oxymoron. for is it not the opposite of unilateral? unilateral is what israel does by annexing or appropriating (stealing) territory unilaterally. this framing is a propaganda tool/hasbara coup and it should be called out for what it is.

      besides, if israel is serious about negotiations, 3 years gives them plenty of time to put their cards on the table. when one party consistently refuses to even name proposed borders of their own state how can negotiations be taken seriously?

  • Netanyahu erases the boundary between world Jewry and Israel in celebration of 'our country'
    • i don't like the term himeland. it was not in the american lexicon of terms we used in association with america when i was growing up.

  • Ads Against Apartheid comes to Chicago's south side
    • gene, i am in close communication w/the AAA campaign. the response to the ads has been quite amazing and they have raised almost their entire goal of 100k on their crowd funding campaign, over 2/3 of it since the chicago digital billboard went up. link to indiegogo.com

      in fact, over 30k since yesterday. (which does not include donations to NotMyTax.com link to ampalestine.org ) like i said, the proof is in the pudding. good day.

    • you may think it's laughable but the proof is in the pudding. if they're bringing in the donations then it's effective.

  • Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?)
    • jeff , why are you bringing up organ harvesting?

      For example in 2010 Israel decided to spend a fortune in providing aide in Haiti. The accusations were that the Israelis weren’t really there to provide food and clear water but rather they were there to harvest the organs of dead Haitians, mass organ harvesting is to the best of my knowledge an entirely new charge against Israel.

      well it's certainly not a new charge against israelis. are you really so clueless that you are not aware of the huge lawsuit in south africa that same year? there were over 200 israeli recipients in the organ harvesting scam.

      or didn't you read about "Israel & South Africa: Netcare coughs up about illegal organ trafficking" in the US msm press? link to mondoweiss.net my recollection is israel had to cough up the doe because their insurance paid for all those operations w/kidneys from poor brazilians, some underage actually. not a pretty scene. 2010? same year as the court case as i recall, so excuse some people for being a tad paranoid. of course if memri wasn't covering it, that is probably why it slipped your attention. here are those links again in case you'd like to brush up:

      link to telegraph.co.uk

      link to mg.co.za

      link to timeslive.co.za

      link to bloomberg.com

      link to sott.net

      and there are lots more where they came from. seriously, why are you initiating this topic, especially given the fact israel's dr hess israeli state chief pathologist is such a notorious scumbag/organ thief.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Investigations revealed that Hiss had removed organs, bones and other tissues from corpses, against the expressed wishes of family, and had sold many of the organs ... He remained the chief pathologist of the Institute and regained his position as director before being dismissed by the Deputy Health Minister Yaakov Litzman on Oct 15 2012

      literally thousands of body parts.

      and ilan perry?
      so why did you bring up this topic?

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    • jeff, did memri cover the big scandal and organ harvesting lawsuit in south africa?

      link to telegraph.co.uk

      link to mg.co.za

      link to timeslive.co.za

      link to bloomberg.com

      link to sott.net

      Israel & South Africa: Netcare coughs up about illegal organ trafficking

      The scheme, dubbed the Israeli Transplant Programme, recruited living kidney "donors". They were flown to South Africa for harvesting and transplant operations at Netcare's facilities in Johannesburg, Cape Town and Durban.

      The recipients were Israelis who paid on average $120 000 to an international organ broker, Ilan Perry, and his agents to organise the transplants.

      finding underage donors in brazil for rich israelis/ argh.

      ....

    • i think it is common sense to assume when radical extremist terrorist action takes place by members an ethnic group, whether it is the israeli perpetrated genocide in gaza, or the massacre of innocents by ISIS, bigoted people will blame other members of the ethnic group.

      in this regard it is always a powerful statement when members of those ethnic groups call out those who are violating tenants of their religion or presuming to act in 'their name'. in that regard what obama says is true, however, it is not more true for muslims wrt ISIS than it is for jews wrt the slaughter of innocents by israel and state that portends to act in the name of all jews as is demonstrated recently: "Netanyahu erases the boundary between world Jewry and Israel in celebration of ‘our country’ "- link to mondoweiss.net

      but more importantly what goldberg says is just absurd wrt anti semitism because, while certainly it is never the fault of all jews, what israel does, those jews who do support and empower zionist terrorism are certainly worthy of being called out for that support. albeit, i don't consider that anti semitism. however, hasbara has spent oodles of energy blurring the line between criticism and condemnation of israel and conflating that with anti semitism, the way goldberg does and has many times, his statment coming from him is disingenuous and wrong headed.

      jews should have even have more responsibility condemning terrorism in their name since they are less likely to be victimized by their own group, unlike ordinary iraqis or syrian muslims by muslims extremists.

    • good question. one you should take up w/ jeffrey goldberg link to theatlantic.com

      It is a universal and immutable rule that the targets of prejudice are not the cause of prejudice.

      if obama thinks Muslims have a special responsibility to fight radical Islam, then jews have a special responsibility to fight radical actions by the government of 'the jewish state'.

      one difference tho is that by far muslims have been the ones to suffer most from the actions of radical islam. that is not the case of zionist extremists tho.

    • Jews who support Israel don’t threaten the very fabric of our western society in the way that radical Muslims do.

      i agree they don't threaten the fabric of our western society in the way that radical Muslims do, but they threaten it as much if not much more in other ways. the practice of colonizing , permanent occupation, submission as a people, and empowering the concept people (or a peoples) can exist permanently right-less threatens to turn back the clock on the progress of human rights/humanity/international law. this is much more dangerous to western culture than any threat we face from radical islam.

    • Some estimates put the percentage of radicalized Muslims at 10-15% of that 1.5 billion.

      omg! some people think there are 225 million muslims out to slaughter us all. i'm so scarred, tell us more uncle hophmi. especially who it is pushing this figure. maybe that reliable SITE mossad operation?

      meanwhile, back on main street...let's go bomb the f out of them so israel can added another few hundred thousand radical settlers to the WB like they did when we invaded iraq. nobody will notice because will be watching the slaughter of muslims (collateral damage is such a b*tch)

      you know what just occurred to me? you don't think those jewish extremists would pressure the US to kill another million muslims so they could finish colonizing palestine? nah, that's way to much of a conspiracy! they would never even think of doing anything like that, it was just a coincidence last time they did it.

    • I am not sure where all this surge in antisemitism in Europe is manifesting itself.

      the other day i was over at the forwards article/comment section and noticed the majority of references were to the synagogue that was "attacked" w/ jews locked inside to save them selves from the angry AS crowds outside. not one person mentioned that story got completely debunked and outed by a video and it was the JDL (or their french equivalent) responsible for instigating the attack. plus the statements of the rabbi inside that they never felt unsafe. but i think the hyperventilating hasbrats like the victim AS narrative better so they are pretending the initial story was truth instead of fiction. maybe they think if they repeat the lie enough it will stick. ha! not going to happen.

  • Rosh Hashanah After Gaza
    • I have no idea how that clip appeared at the end of my post. (Please bring back the edit function!)

      from upthread. i moved it jon because it appears to me that youtube videos do not appear (show up) in the middle of posts (w/our new formatting) only at the end and i assumed you wanted it to appear. but i put it back for you. only attempting to be helpful.

  • Russell Tribunal finds evidence of incitement to genocide, crimes against humanity in Gaza
    • just, maybe ivri thinks if he claims something is a 'fact' (especially in all caps!) we'll magically think there's some truth to it. hasbara #fail.

    • i didn't ask your point* ivri, i ask "whose principle?" iow: according to whom?

      your "just plain common logic" allegation runs contrary to international law. and if it were common, israel wouldn't be isolated against global opinion on the issue of the settlements. you can claim it's logical til the cows come home, it isn't. and it certainly is not common in this day and age, very so last last and last century.

      why not just be honest and say, 'the principle of colonialism'?

      *and please don't think you're fooling anyone when you say "just join the locals as a new settler." we all know that is a lie.

    • therefore, in principle, Jews can immigrate to there

      whose principle?

      I hope I am living up to your stated standards in clarifying some basic FACTS in this regard

      the only 'facts' here are the 'findings' of these hacks:

      Haaretz, the "members were meticulously chosen":[2] Levy, who served as deputy mayor of Ramle on behalf of the Likud before being appointed as a Supreme Court judge,[6] was the single minority justice to oppose the 2005 unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip, declaring that it violated the rights of the Jewish settlers,[2] Baker who is a resident of the West Bank settlement Har Adar was on the payroll of a settlers' organization which advocates legalization of outposts, and Shapira, the daughter of former Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren,[7] is a sister-in-law of right-wing ideologue Israel Harel.[2]

      'in principle'? can you please reference another source for this alleged 'rights of jewish settlers' levy refers to? where does it come from besides the apartheid government of israel.

  • The pinkwashing of 'Out in the Dark'
  • Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and 'NYT' buries the news)
    • joe, i read the israel project (tip) talking pt instructional on how to engage online. it told pro israel supporters to align w/palestinian civilians (same ridiculous narrative the gov was pushing alleging they were on the side of palestinian people vs hamas) . and we saw that same meme in rabbi leshaws tweets at ohio state, it made the rounds .

      the idea that the attackers (whether israel or US soldiers) are at one with the people they slaughter against the defenders of palestine/ fighters (or all/any adult males in the society) is gross and sick.

      obviously the palestinian people are not going to swing over to the attackers narrative and buy into the concept the slaughter of their own children/victims are the fault of hamas, it's such sinister-cynical-demented hasbara it's hard to fathom the mentality of criminals in think tanks who design these talking pts. and it's unbelievable to me how many people repeat it.

    • dima, i'm not interested in having a discussion w/you and your racist game playing. you want me to answer your questions peppered w/crap like:

      (1) we all go kill ourselves?

      let all of them enter israel and start killing us? .. 0.1 of armed guys is enough to kill most of us in a week. can we allow it?

      try harder and figure out whatever it is you want. either my answers or pandering to your "instincts" to blather your bs all over the threads., because as long as it's both i won't be playing along.

    • You are a most discerning reader. It is so obvious that I ran past it!!!

      just, the best kind of propaganda is the kind that's benignly inserted into otherwise coherent narrative that we don't notice and just accept. one thing that informs me in the hasbara discourse is reading the comment sections in msm including places like npr and huffpo. you can see the trends in hasbara. one that's popular (currently which to me represents a framing/doubling down, by design) is the repetition of the idea israel 'won' the WB in conquest. so after hearing that claim repeatedly in the last few weeks it's not surprising when it pops up in a nyt article, no matter how benignly. this repetition is by design.

    • i found the most disturbing part of the nyt article to be the few words inserted into the paragraph phil blockquoted first where it says "Israel’s occupation of Arab lands won in battle and its standoff ....

      it's irresponsible journalism to perpetuate a notion that runs contrary to international law, the very idea israel, or any country in this day and age, can legally "win".."arab land" .." in battle" which their sentence implies. and i still hear people claiming israel was defending itself in 67 when it was israel that attacked. it's against international law to unilaterally acquire land by conquest. the nyt must know this, and yet they reference it like it's a done deal. it's not a done deal, at all.

  • What Max Blumenthal saw in Gaza
    • ha! i should have scrolled! i see just got it for you. great article too bunblebye

    • Maybe you guys can help explain what “real” Judaism/Jewish culture is.

      hmm, maybe you should take a stab at it. try explaining that trophy grin on the iof reporter up there through your own eyes. or explain to us how she thinks her readers might relate, culturally that is.

  • Israel carries out extrajudicial killing of two Palestinians suspected in Israeli youths kidnapping
    • yonah, the definition of extrajudicial killing is "the killing of a person by governmental authorities without the sanction of any judicial proceeding or legal process."

      Israeli special forces killed two Palestinian men who were suspected of kidnapping and slaying three Israeli youths abducted in June while hitchhiking in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc of the West Bank.

      that sounds like an extrajudicial killing to me.

      nowhere is that reported. It is only the mayor of Hebron who labeled it as such.

      actually it was reported and sourced to ma'an news that the governor of Hebron said the pair were “executed.” describing the term as a "label" doesn't discount the fact it was reported.

      and as i mentioned ynet also called it an assassination. this is a reasonable assessment. you're splitting hairs.

    • just, maybe the cat is holding his tongue hostage. what are the chances he will come back and eat his words. not great i'd say.

    • yonah, what do you think of ynets hebrew headline?

      English headline (Ynetnews): Suspects in murder of Israeli teens killed in West Bank raid
      Hebrew headline (Ynet): Account settled: Israel liquidated/eliminated the youths' murderers.
      החשבון נסגר: ישראל חיסלה את רוצחי הנערים

      link to ynet.co.il

      and here's google translates photo caption: "scene of the assassination, this morning (Photo: IDF Spokesperson)"

  • Goldberg tries to police view that Israel's actions fuel anti-Semitism
    • For some reason I can’t cut and paste from your post.

      sometimes the yellow is such a pale-light color i can't see it, but it still works. however, when i try to transfer it onto an email in my mac program, i can't see it at all until i click 'make plain text' in the format option. good luck!

    • yeah, really. with the right kind of mind numbing lubricant both can be perceived as a 'ethnic liberation movements', for some people. deadly for others tho.

    • yonah, you wrote anti semitism 8 times in that one comment.

      speaking of history, do you think, since the advent of zionism, what you refer to as 'arab anti semitism' has increased or decreased in the arab world? and if so why?

      and hypothetically speaking, if a black man and a white man were neighbors on friendly terms for 2 decades and then the white man killed the black man's wife*, if the black man then hated the white man, would you attribute the black man's hatred on his own (alleged) racism?

      *the white man was a cop in his day job and burst into the wrong house in a drug raid and blew up a family where the wife was visiting.

      btw, we (this site) are talking, primarily, about current events, not history. i understand you have an obsession with anti semitism (shared by many pro israel folks) but wrt current events, AND the history of the nakba, zionism being an ethnic colonialist state which stole the vast majority of land from the palestinian people, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out 'arab anti semitism' is not the primary cause of this conflict.

    • but the chinese are never responsible for racist prejudice against it.

      on principle i do agree that the victim is not responsible anothers racism. however, lines are easily blurred wrt israel, zionism and jews, because of the insistence by (many of) israel's defenders that criticism of the state is inherently anti semitic. bds is too!! we're boxed in, nothing is ever their fault!

    • a different one american. i think manchester might have a posse of vindictive jewish zionists. that or else it's simply a coincidence.

    • krauss, just thought i'd point out you're not making any arguments here:

      "But that’s a ridicolous comparison on multiple levels. "

      " multiple levels." which you don't mentions.

      "First, Zionism isn’t Nazism."

      that's merely a declaration. and i don't think anyone suggested they were one and the same.

      "Even if you do not outright state it, the fact that you go all Godwin’s Law on us denigrates your argument. "

      like i said, this is not an argument.

    • It is a universal and immutable rule that the targets of prejudice are not the cause of prejudice - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      i wonder if goldberg would similarly characterize this attack as anti semitic?link to manchestereveningnews.co.uk

      Arsonists have torched the car of a Salford Rabbi who has spoken out over Israel's military action in Gaza.

      Firebugs poured petrol over Ahron Cohen's Volvo estate before setting fire to the vehicle outside his home in Broughton, Salford .

      They first attached a makeshift fuse to the fuel tank, but when it failed to ignite they returned a few minutes later and used a can of petrol to start the fire.

  • US gave surveillance data to a country 'hostile' to many Americans -- Bamford
    • One could even argue that supposed US allies like Turkey had more balls to say no to the Bush ‘coalition’ then did Israel

      turkey did say no to bush. they (US) wanted to launch the invasion from turkey. no go. but framing it as taking 'balls' for israel to say no to bush, when all their henchmen were lining up to push the war, is what's disingenuous and ballsy dabaker. that would be you.

  • Homegrown jihadis and the limits of the Israel lobby
    • maggie, perhaps i erred in explaining myself when i reacted to your comment " "Bluntly put, Jewish recruits returning to their countries of origin would not participate in the kind of terrorism their governments find particularly objectionable, if any at all ” implies certain kinds of domestic terrorism our gov doesn’t find objectionable, which is a strange concept. "

      to reiterate, i guess you're right in the sense what jonathan pollard did wasn't really domestic terrorism per se, although, arguably, it damaged our countries national security more than all acts of domestic terrorism combined since the beginning of the century, including 9/11.

      while it largely goes unspoken i think it's fair to assume a percentage (how many i do not know) of "Jewish recruits returning to their countries of origin" are of concern to the dept of homeland security:

      link to newsweek.com

      According to classified briefings on legislation that would lower visa restrictions on Israeli citizens, Jerusalem’s efforts to steal U.S. secrets under the cover of trade missions and joint defense technology contracts have “crossed red lines.”

      Israel’s espionage activities in America are unrivaled and unseemly, counterspies have told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees, going far beyond activities by other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan. A congressional staffer familiar with a briefing last January called the testimony “very sobering…alarming…even terrifying.” Another staffer called it “damaging.”

      The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

      “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate.

      The intelligence agencies didn’t go into specifics, the former aide said, but cited “industrial espionage—folks coming over here on trade missions or with Israeli companies working in collaboration with American companies, [or] intelligence operatives being run directly by the government, which I assume meant out of the [Israeli] Embassy.”

      i do not believe "IDF soldiers and the US share an ideological link", at all.

      i make a distinction between what the media tells us vs the concerns of the gov.

      the media continually trumps up the islamophobic fear, sometimes at the behest of the gov, but often times not. whereas it's rare when stories like newsweek make it into the msm, but it doesn't mean it's not a priority for the government.

      some people do not think it's a coincidence that the last time a US attorney general who tried to get the israel lobby to register under the foreign agents registrations act he ended up dead.

      and while i agree with you there are other factors at play within the military-industrial complex that favor israel, to say "one fits into the global discourse on terrorism, and one does not" doesn't take into account israel is well known for their false flag operations in neighboring countries as well as mossad operations carried out on foreign soil (recently in dubai w/foreign passports). to state a "jewish fighter" do not fit into "the global discourse on terrorism" assumes that "global discourse" is strictly a one-sided neocon conversation within our government (or the world), and it isn't.

      i also think your analysis doesn't take into consideration what considerable pressure or persuasion comes to bear on members of that military-industrial complex to act in favor of israel's interests. the way you tell it these interests mainly coincide, but that analysis i think is short sighted primarily because if it were true there would be very little need for a lobby to begin with, certainly little need for such a strong lobby. this analysis doesn't discount the fact or idea there are US interests that align with israel's. but i don't think those interests are realistically represented in the support israel gets from our gov (example, often 100% in congress), at all.

      americans are treated to a heavy dose of propaganda that didn't exist when i was growing up, and almost constant meme of "israel sharing our values", we're not constantly hearing this about the UK which has been a stalwart ally of the US for as long as i can recall. so why the hammering on the meme about israel? that is by design. it doesn't mean it's true, it means we're being played. so it is distressing for me to read all this stuff about how we're naturally aligned. it's too over the top and i don't believe it. especially considering even petraus stated our alliance w/israel hurt our standing in the ME and put our troops in danger. of course the msm came down hard. sure, we have natural affiliations w/israel, but they don't warrant the level of our strong support or alignment.

    • Israel has in effect become a model for the fight-agenda of our times: West versus Islamists. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      that's not my fight. if islamophobia were a natural inclination for americans there would be no need for the extreme amount of negative pr being pumped into the american discourse from israel lobby. i grew up in this country in the 50's and 60's. there was no natural fear of arabs or muslims that i recall. none. it was programmed in with lots of effort.

      this article i linked to here: link to mondoweiss.net

      This was months before Secretary of State Colin Powell would go to the United Nations to make the administration's case for the invasion of Iraq, touting the subsequently discredited evidence of weapons of mass destruction. But according to Jackson, Hadley told him that "they were going to war and were struggling with a rationale" to justify it. Jackson, recalling the meeting, reports that Hadley said they were "still working out" a cause, too, but asked that he, Jackson, "set up something like the Committee on NATO" to come up with a rationale.

      there was no natural inclination. it was manufactured. the war on terror was manufactured and we're seeing the fruits of our labor being played out today. please do not insult our intelligence by suggesting "Israel promotes is what the US public anyway believes" because if that were the case israel wouldn't need to promote it!

      There is probably also a fear that if the converse happens – the threats will soon come to the US (or Canada, Australia) shores by emboldened Jihadists.

      ha! why, because we get fed crap like this and we're a bunch of scardy cats ??? link to moonofalabama.org

    • Neither is anyone here stupid enough to believe that the CEO’s of Lockheed, Boeing, GE, BOA, et al were the ones calling congress and demanding they support Israel’s Gaza slaughter.

      well, they were but initially it was at the behest of the neocons. who could forget playboy's 2007 blockbuster US: Lockheed Stock and Two Smoking Barrels link to corpwatch.org

    • IDF soldiers and the US share an ideological link.

      hmm. i don't agree with that. i also thought the statement "Jewish recruits returning to their countries of origin would not participate in the kind of terrorism their governments find particularly objectionable, if any at all " implies certain kinds of domestic terrorism our gov doesn't find objectional, which is a strange concept.

    • And I think this is a rather obvious point–a country with a vast amount of oil and a vast amount of wealth rather obviously has influence on US policy.

      donald, i don't think yves (who is that anyway?) makes an argument for a 'saudi lobby', in fact he says Our most important geopolitical interest has been and continues to be oil. US corporations simply could not function if they did not have access to cheap oil. and "there is no prenup in place". i think what's clear is that the US and SA have the same interests which is why the US doesn't sanction SA for funding the isis, which would clearly be the fastest way to shut them down. the US supports SA, a dictatorship because it suits their interests. just like it supported the opposition in syria because it suits their interests because the goal is not democracy, it's regime change. these interests dovetail with israel's (other colonialist) onterests. but SA doesn't need to lobby DC because unlike Israel, DC wants and needs what SA has to offer. there's simply no comparison with what israel offers the US (slim to none, which is why they need a lobby).

      i'd like to address this assumption maggie made:

      Bluntly put, Jewish recruits returning to their countries of origin would not participate in the kind of terrorism their governments find particularly objectionable, if any at all.

      i wondering if she has any data supporting this. is there some evidence of arab or muslim terror attacks in this country, cumulatively, over and above other kinds of ethnically related terror attacks? and anyone who thinks there have not been jewish terror attacks inside the US is sorely mistaken which is why the JDL is illegal here. and with israel penchants for false flag attacks throughout their history used to manipulate governments i find this allegation stunning.

      our government is aware israel spies on the US more than any other country. one reason the visa issue has not been smooth sailing is the threat posed by israelis entering this country and spy infiltration. so i don't agree with this assessment. i think what's clear is the pressure from pro israel activists (along with the lobby) to demonize arab and muslim americans. using fear to support US interests in the ME, the break up of the ME.

      Jewish[edit]
      1970: Jewish Defense League linked with a bomb explosion outside of Aeroflot's New York City office in protest of treatment of Soviet Jews
      1971: Jewish Defense League linked to a detonation outside of Soviet cultural offices in Washington, D.C. and rifle fire into the Soviet mission to the United Nations
      1/26/1981 Jewish Defense League San Francisco, CA Bombing
      6/25/1981 Jewish Defenders Torrance, CA Incendiary Bombing (FBI.gov)
      8/31/1981 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Hostile Takeover (FBI.gov)
      9/3-4/81 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Multiple Bombings (2) (FBI.gov)
      10/25/1981 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Incendiary Bombing (FBI.gov)
      12/24/1981 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Attempted Pipe (FBI.gov)
      2/19/1982 Jewish Defense League Washington, DC Bombing (FBI.gov)
      4/5/1982 Jewish Defense League Brooklyn, NY Arson (FBI.gov)
      4/28/1982 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Multiple Bombings (2) (FBI.gov)
      7/5/1982 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Multiple Pipe Bombing (2) (FBI.gov)
      2/19/1983 Jewish Defense League Washington, DC Pipe Bombing (FBI.gov)
      2/23/1984 Jewish Direct Action New York City, NY Bombing (FBI.gov)
      5/15/1985 Jewish Defense League Northridge, CA Pipe Bombing (FBI.gov)
      8/15/1985 Jewish Defense League Paterson, NJ Bombing (FBI.gov)
      9/6/1985 Jewish Defense League Brentwood, NY Bombing (FBI.gov)
      10/11/1985 Jewish Defense League Santa Ana, CA Bombing (FBI.gov)
      9/2/1986 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Tear Gas Bombing (FBI.gov)
      10/20/1986 Jewish Defense League New York City, NY Incendiary Bombing (FBI.gov)
      link to fbi.gov

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      meanwhile, islamic terrorism has it's own page, and includes people like terry lee loewen, who curiously no mosques or imans had never even heard of. he tries to " drive what he thought was a van loaded with explosives" into the Wichita Mid-Continent Airport in Kansas in December 2013 link to cjonline.com

      by these standards the guy in death row suing the US gov because he can't eat kosher food in prison should be considered jewish because he claimed to have converted. i mean please.

      "What he didn’t know until his arrest is that the people he had been conspiring with were undercover FBI agents, U.S. Attorney Barry Grissom announced Friday."
      link to kansas.com

      yet another case of entrapment by the fbi like that case in oakland. but where's the evidence this person would have ever thought of blowing up an airport without this 'help' from the fbi who literally bought all the supplies for the "bomb" and walked him thru making it. this is hardly a description of islamic terror.

      link to google.com..69i57j69i60.698j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

  • Keffiyehs in Harlem in 'Ghetto to Gaza' rap
  • Naive? At a Jewish spiritual retreat center, I insist on talking about Gaza
  • The rabbi at the shitshow
    • thanks for teaching me a new word mrw ;)

    • i am impressed with the inability of commenters to grant that not every person is the same

      quote please. which commenters are you referencing?

      some .. might feel alien in an environment that is substantially different from where they grew up.

      yeah, that's common for lots of students.

      i suppose college is supposed to be some type of assimilation experience, and thus ideally one should leave everything from the past behind and jump into the pool of oneness and accept america on its own terms. this is the type of assimilationism approved by totalitarian minds.

      honestly yonah, you're reaching new heights of the absurd here. why would you suppose "ideally one should leave everything from the past behind"?

      but those here cannot imagine that there is some percentage of those raised in jewish suburbs who are accustomed to a certain milieu and not exactly accustomed to a certain other milieu and the need to label these kids as ideologues

      who here labeled the kids ideologues? and most kids who move away to college are not accustomed to living away from home. this is not unique to jewish kids, at all. as i mentioned earlier:

      most people who don’t go to the local college down the street from their high school, kids entering college enter a world where they know hardly anyone. it’s new time in life, a coming of age. it’s a time when leaders emerge, people make mistakes, bonds and friendships are formed that often last a lifetime ... and people explore and find themselves. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      can you at least leave some reference what you're talking about.

    • she didn't call out any violence.

      I want to be among people that feel really sad that lives have been lost. Not just the lives of Israelis.

      July 23
      I think everybody is losing their mind #Israel #Gaza

      July 25
      My only advice for the day, to a group of students: Don’t hate on Gaza. Hate on Hamas.

      July 27

      I just spent the past 30 minutes looking at photos of Gaza. And now I feel weak.

      her strongest message is "Hate on Hamas". wtf

    • I know I don’t make the rules...She can do one of the following: be president of the student senate or create ... videos. She does not get to do both.

      lol. try harder

      Why do you care how Jews behave or what leaders they have?

      why do i care that israel's army slaughters palestinians w/the support of my gov and pressure from zionists after decades and decades of unresolved 'peace process'? divert divert divert. because i am a humane person.

    • thanks shmuel

    • perhaps the most powerful symbol there is: (human) blood. In so doing, she obviously hoped to elicit strong emotions. How could that not affect people who are emotionally invested in Israel ....? ...... such a powerful symbol can lead human psyches to a lot of different and very dark places.

      with all due respect shmuel, the symbolism of that one bucket of fake blood (representing hundreds of buckets of women and childrens blood spilt this summer), what is wrong with it affecting people who are emotionally invested in israel? even if it affected them negatively for one hour or one week, how could it possibly compare, or cause as much emotional investment as the death of one just one child? sometimes it requires a psyche to go to dark places to realize the harm they are empowering.

      it's non violent resistance. she didn't do it in front of first graders. these people are old enough to join the army. the blood is not an exaggeration, it symbolizes something all too real.

      see barcelona link to mondoweiss.net

    • susie, i notice she uses the word hate too much. for me, that's a red flag. i just don't ascribe hate to people. if she wants to talk abot hate she should address her own (if she has hate in her heart, which would be sad) and i would never advise students (or my child) to hate anyone. hate is corrosive. hate is something, ideally, we shouldn't have in our hearts at all. if this (article) is her idea of hate, she's wired in a way i can't comprehend.

    • Please only answer with what you knew when you published the above statement.

      well, as it turns out gene, in preparation for this article link to mondoweiss.net i read at least 10 articles from the school newspaper (saved in my draft file) and many comments in the comment sections as well as interviewed people (on the phone) at OU. so i probably know a little more about megan than i would care to disclose here. she's an impressive person and has handled herself quite well thru this whole episode imho. i could probably write an article about her as a matter of fact. but i'll just leave you with this one article .. if you care to know more, you can research her on your own (include the "restart" campaign).

      link to thepostathens.com

    • And by putting words in her mouth.

      gene, she wrote an open letter, a very personal one, to the student body president ("how could you possibly do such a thing ") asking her to resign. and instead of writing it as her personal opinion she chose to co-opt 800 students (all of whom she does not, and cannot, realistically speak for) which was completely out of her purview.

      plus, for most people who don't go to the local college down the street from their high school, kids entering college enter a world where they know hardly anyone. it's new time in life, a coming of age. it's a time when leaders emerge, people make mistakes, bonds and friendships are formed that often last a lifetime (for me definitely) and people explore and find themselves. she stepped out of line. she made her voice public, not phil. she added her child's name to the discussion of gaza, not phil. and she placed it out there publicly. no one stalked her.

      if you think her words were taken out of context then make an argument but don't take the lazy way out by making unsupported accusations. i certainly didn't have (or need) a camp counselor to speak for me on campus (nor was i 'huddling' w/my ethnic cohorts), i doubt most of these jewish kids at OU do either. but she chose to out herself upfront and center. assuming she was their adviser/cheerleader for this fillibuster, it's fair game. they got attention all over the US and in israel. lil becky sebo was just thrilled about that. but this is not a situation where team pro i gets international press and open letters and team pro p stfu or you call it stalking. you don't make the rules. she's fair game.

    • That’s an old canard that Jews are morally inferior

      there was no mentioned of "jews". nor is the rabbi a stand in for "jews". she's just one person. fail!

      look on the bright side; israel supporters, by identifying the state as 'jewish', merely has to accuse all/any who criticize either the state or any of the states citizens or supporters as 'racist' and can therefore deflect all criticism based on this one alleged criteria. therefore, you can avoid formulating actual arguments or rebuttals. you don't even have to think, it's like a one size fits all response.

      by speaking en mass for a whole people, you can collect everything that has ever been said about any jew, and add it to the list of 'canards' (to which we can now add: "far more concerned with possible damage to Israel’s image than for the actual victims" - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net , one might not recognize that as racist speech but alas, if the person being accused is jewish, it adds a whole new meaning seeing as it is 'canard protected'). by creating a database by which anything that has ever been said about any jew in the past can't be claimed about any jew in the future lest the accuser or the observer will automatically become 'racist', and since people don't like being labeled as racist, they will be scared of criticizing an action or outcome they see as derogatory, if the person being called out happens to be jewish.

      this sounds like a really effective defense/NOT. and here's why. many individuals, no matter what race or ethnicity they are, say and do things to protect their images and the images of ones they love. this is not a jewish thing, it's a people thing. not all people, but it's not ethnic specific. it happens in all races, ethnicities, nationalities etc etc. jews, as individuals, are not immune from this. nor should they be protected, as individuals, from criticism just because of some historical claim of innocence. it's very likely that in the past and present there were/are jews (along with every other type of people regardless of classification) who were or are "morally inferior and only care about themselves" (albeit that was not the charge, they are your words). they even have more concise words to describe this human condition*: link to answers.yahoo.com

      * note how in the descriptions not one person said "jewish". that doesn't mean it also might not apply to a jewish person.

      i hope that's clarifying for you. and thanks for sharing.

    • nah. call it what you will but this is not survival.

    • i agree roha. at least one student mentioned it in the school paper too.

      link to thepostathens.com

      I have to say I’ve been taken aback by those students and non-students who’ve made threatening or derogatory statements toward Megan as well as Arab students on campus. The official statement by Alpha Epsilon Pi that was read out loud at our last Student Senate meeting declared that “Israel is a developed nation, unlike the Middle East.” Hillel has now taken out Facebook ads with a video of the speech to help spread this message. Another student associated with Bobcats for Israel got up at the senate meeting and implied that Jewish students who don’t support the actions of the Israeli state aren’t real Jews.

      I’ve have had four separate Jewish students come up to me to express concern by the manner in which Rabbi Danielle has been attempting to speak on behalf of all Jews on campus. Anyone who chooses to speak on behalf of an entire ethnic or religious group does nothing more than silence voices and shows their own lack of leadership. The Jewish community is broad and diverse, and no Jewish student on this campus deserves to have their identity or culture expropriated and used to someone else’s political ends.

      Students suffer from the negative discourse and intimidation tactics that have been deployed on this campus. It’s time to take this issue out of student government and into a respectful open forum where people can represent only themselves.

      she added a lot of fuel to the fire and perpetuated derogatory memes.

    • megan is a role model on campus too. and not just OU. she leads.

  • Hamas is just as bad as ISIS and worse than Boko Haram -- Israeli government propaganda
    • your link worked for me antidote, you don't have to repost it .

    • here's something from the nyt right up your alley mayhem link to mobile.nytimes.com

      Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That C.I.A. and the Islamic State Are United (and not just in iraq)

      President Obama has insisted repeatedly that American military action against the Islamic State depended on the installation of a more inclusive government in Baghdad, but he moved ahead before it was complete.

      it certainly did divert the news from israel slaughtering palestinians, didn't it?

      and you're linking to clifford may? why not daniel pipes while you're at it?

      Lastly unlike yours my comment is right on topic

      i'd say in a post about israeli propaganda likud charter is definitely as relevant as your memri crap, which btw, the independent did not support memris full translation.

      speaking of isis, what do you think of the big new threat to america? link to moonofalabama.org

    • We are not discussing the charter of one of Israel’s political parties but you have to go there – like a moth that is attracted to the light.

      huh? you're being hypocritical. this post was not discussing meshal’s speech on 7 December 2012, but like a moth you went there. and you went there with an an unreliable islamophobic source. the supporting link leads to another article to the same source (itself) and that link leads to link to timesofisrael.com which doesn't make the same allegations. the video it presents is from memri, known for their lying translations. and we're supposed to take you seriously? you don't think msm covered this? you provide memri? take a hike w/your divert divert divert!

      so it is you, here who ignores amigos comment, whatever refutes your line of argument. it is you who overlooks key parts of the Likud charter! we're not your fools. practice what you preach.

      and it is not as if the msm didn't cover this event. why don't you go fishing and find us a reliable source if you care to be taken seriously, try harder: link to google.com

      algemeiner or frontpage mag or atlas shrugs or any of those sites do not cut it here.

  • Yale official barred discussion of Israeli settlements and apartheid at monthly meeting
    • I don’t understand the Palestinian question, I think I do understand that useful conversations are impeded by the number of ideas regarded as so far out of bounds that they might cost you your job or reputation

      this reminds me of an accusation by gene yesterday regarding a criticism of OU rabbi Leshaw by just who said the rabbi seemed "far more concerned with possible damage to Israel’s image than for the actual victims"

      in response gene wrote this was "an old canard that Jews are morally inferior and only care about themselves. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      by these same standards, it seems like almost any criticism made against any individual jewish person could be twisted around (the way fischer twisted "I think it revealed a belief that he may hold that the Jews really do control everything" [my italics]) to appear similar to some accusation made anytime in the past and therefore used to render the individual criticism null and void because somewhere in the last few thousand years, a similar accusation was untrue. and therefor the entire topic be rendered "out of bounds" due to 'anti semitic canard' or part of a 'trope'.

      whereas, if this same kind of argument were made against anyone else, it's rarely heard - those accusations have been made before therefore the criticism is out of bounds. it's just an excuse not to deal with an issue. i can think of so many pushbacks where this applies, for instance calling someone an israeli firster. are we all to be programed regarding what we can and cannot say by abe foxman stand ins policing our speech? it appears so.

      re shipman, the absurdity of claiming he 'may believe jews control everything' as a viable counter argument is so irresponsible it should be roundly denounced. but instead, people often become reluctant because they too will be accused. it flips the argument and diverts it to contemplation of jews as victims. in some cases i think this is calculated, but once enough people are conditioned or brainwashed into accepting this kind of 'logic' it's self perpetuating, no calculation required.

      my response to gene in that conversation: link to mondoweiss.net

  • US guilty of war crimes in Palestine
  • Did Snowden blow the whistle because of the US special relationship with Israel?
    • probably. he's handsome and sexy and seems like somewhat of a reclusive personality. women like all those things. plus, he's really smart, moral, what's not to like?

    • and they would never consider collaborating in this same fashion (blackmail) against political adversaries (ei: who didn't demonstrate loyalty to israel or for any other reason) thank goodness!

      also, greenwald wrote about this same topic last year. link to huffingtonpost.com

  • Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians
    • when a population – admittedly not monolithically, but by a sizeable majority – makes clear it doesn’t want to participate in the life of the state

      but the state targets perfectly innocent human beings knowingly, and makes their lives miserable:

      If anyone interests us, we’d collect information on his or her economic situation and mental state. Then we would plan how we can perform an operation around this individual, in order to turn them into a collaborator or something of the sort….

      Any information that might enable extortion of an individual is considered relevant information. Whether said individual is of a certain sexual orientation, cheating on his wife, or in need of treatment in Israel or the West Bank – he is a target for blackmail.

      ........

      The period during which I collected information on people who were accused of attacking Israelis, trying to attack Israelis, the desire to harm Israelis, thinking of attacking Israelis, in addition to collecting information on completely innocent people, whose only crime was that they interested the Israeli defence establishment for various reasons. Reasons they have no way of knowing. If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable. If you need emergency medical treatment in Israel, the West Bank or abroad – we searched for you. The state of Israel will allow you to die before we let you leave for treatment without giving information on your wanted cousin.

      Any such case, in which you “fish out” an innocent person from whom information might be squeezed, or who could be recruited as a collaborator, was like striking gold for us

      - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      aren't you blaming the victim here? or don't you think the state is culpable at all? of course this is merely one example. but what moral person would "want to participate in the life of the state" if that participation includes ones own persecution if one knows one is innocent?

      doesn't it then become the duty of the citizen to consciously work towards improving the state by rooting out these kinds of inequities, not perpetuating them.

    • Doesn’t this law also include the following clause? - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
      not that i know of. where did you get your quote? could you please link to your source. it seems to contradict the section that allows for exclusion based on "“social/cultural fabric”

      please explain what “social/cultural fabric” is, other than "race, religion, gender, nationality, disability, personal status, age, parenthood, sexual affiliation, country of origin, political conviction or political-party affiliation" what other conditions might determine “social/cultural fabric”?

    • this is the result/purpose of appointing grunis president of the supreme court. link to en.wikipedia.org

      not sure if anyone remembers, but they changed a law in the knesset on how judges are appointed to get him in. read
      Asher Grunis discriminates his way to the top of the Israeli Supreme Court

      link to mondoweiss.net

      Grunis’s path to the chief judgeship was recently cleared with the help of the “Grunis bill,” a handy bit of legislative intervention that did away with the rule preventing judges with less than three years until retirement from being appointed chief justice. Under the old law, Grunis, who has less than three years until he retires, would be ineligible. But Grunis had strong backers among National Union types like Yaakov Katz, who were only too eager to massage the process and secure the top judicial spot for a fellow conservative traveler with a long record of judicial passivity. As a former Supreme Court justice told Haaretz, “It is no secret that Grunis holds rigidly to the idea of reducing the powers of the Supreme Court, and that is why ‘wild weeds’ on the right want him as president. He is their ‘favorite son.'”

      With Grunis’s ascent, Israel’s Supreme Court officially ends its so-called “liberal-democratic” phase (though, truth be told, it was neither liberal or democratic) and enters what might be called its radical-fanatical right-wing phase. Just last month, the court got its first settler-judge, Judge Noam Sohlberg — that’s right, a man who regularly violates international law is now a member of the highest court in the land, as Eyal Clyne pointed out — and Grunis will have vast authority over future judicial appointments.

      more at the link

    • you are so right! i don't know why i keep getting that wrong. i actually thought about it and thought i finally knew this and didn't have to look it up again. i must have some mental block because i thought it meant the opposite of what one would think. anyway, i edited it. thank you.

    • and i highly recommend "We Want a Quiet Community without Arabs"

      link to ha-makom.co.il

      Some voices called for order to return. "Guys, let's not get too militant" Avi and Limor Malka wrote, "The father is a wonderful doctor giving good and professional treatment to our kids. We're looking at a 13 year old boy that probably posted what he did without his father's knowledge, and without giving it much thought. We should work to maintain the coexistence on the Gilboa. We have good neighbors, who want to live in peace and quiet just like us. Dr. Zuabi treats everyone with no religion, race or gender difference. Please respect him as well as ourselves".

      read the whole thing.

    • ds, for your edification: the legal definition of link to en.wikipedia.org

      The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

      the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[25]

      This definition does not make any difference between discrimination based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among anthropologists.[26] Similarly, in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin".[27]

      Assuming this article interprets it correctly... it’s religious discrimination, not racial

      1) Adalah quoting the law: " the law allows these committees to reject applicants deemed “unsuitable to the social life of the community…or the social and cultural fabric of the town,” "

      that is not limited to "religious" read the blockquote above, it qualifies as racial discrimination.

      Other countries do have laws privileging one group over another

      that's whataboutery, we're not discussing "other countries". the article references that israel does not share our values, that would be here in the U.S. and other civic national states (which israel is not).

      2) Israel is still treating them better than they would treat Jews

      LOL. and 3 is a joke, not worthy of rebuttal.

  • 'TimesWarp' tries to keep the 'Times' honest
    • oh yes, and we reported it here as i recall. marc ellis, the shock doctrine. link to mondoweiss.net israel will make a fortune by bombing gaza, and the first ceasefire agreement (hamas refused to sign), which was spelled out (marc ellis posted that) made it very clear israel would be deciding on and managing the rebuilding of gaza and making sure it was a boon for their construction industry too. but this is not just gaza, it's the WB too. all the international aid going to gaza goes via israel, they hold the keys to everything. it's not just stealing palestinian resources and then making palestinians pay to get in back (like water) it's preventing them from making a decent living and then grafting off all the international aid. israel makes a fortune off palestinians and they have never lived independent of that grafting. it's gross.

    • and well done Barb!!!

  • Senator Warren's progressive supporters demand accountability for her rightwing pro-Israel positioning
    • Weiss and say Ron Paul

      did you just pull this out of a hat or is there something i am missing. has phil ever said anything that would give anyone the impression he aspired to public office? what if he won and didn't want to be president?

      why aren’t the progressive base trying to find an actual politician who shares your view?

      they probably are.

    • our economy would have surely sunk too had Iraq, Libya etc. been allowed to dump the U.S.D.

      same difference. the first thing bush did on day 1 in iraq was switch back tot he dollar, some opec thing. the two are not mutually exclusive they are glued to the hip, same w/iran. as you pointed out is there any way to forestall the abandonment of the dollar except by gunpoint???

      not that i know of.

    • if all dems have to offer in the next election are likud candidates they'll loose the election and it will serve them right. i never would have voted for obama had he used warren's pro israel talking pts. if she's to cowardly to run to the left of hillary on foreign policy what's the point? and if it's not cowardice then she's inhumane. either way, won't get my vote. i'd rather have a george bush supporting these war crimes than a 'left progressive' any day. if she represents the left in this country it demonstrates how diseased we are. i'm completely repulsed and my instincts are that i am not alone.

      and if warren cares about the economy of the country she should realize foreign wars sunk our economy (it's expensive trying to gain control over the entire middle east) . you just can't shove trillions of tax payer dollars that come back via the 1% war profiters and expect the middle class not to sink like a stone. warmongers suck, and 'i'm against violence' means nothing if you, inadvertently, support and empower war crimes and the criminals who commit them.

  • 'This is our land!': West Bank village Wadi Fukin fights largest Israeli land grab in decades
    • Time will tell how this round unfolds – but it it can`t be nice.

      yes, we already know that. thanks for rubbing it in ivri

    • The area has recently become immensely restive

      from 2012 ..a timeline: link to mondoweiss.net

      These provocations seem aimed at sowing discord inside the Palestinian community at a time when Fatah and Hamas are trying to work out a unification deal and rallies approved by the PA celebrating Hamas’s 25 Anniversary are taking place is cities all across the West Bank

      curious how things just happen to get "restive" whenever fatah and hamas work towards unification.

      Until now Israel tried to avoid escalation by highly restrained counteracts but that is not a sustainable approach

      .....It rubs the Lotion on its skin it does this whenever it's told (credit to seafoid)

  • South Africa High Court rules in favor of BDS South Africa billboard
    • jon, did you mean to post that on this thread? link to mondoweiss.net

      because your comment could have an impact on people who don’t realize you're lying it’s false and misleading.

      btw, i'm curious what you thought of assouline's comment referencing Israel’s largest land grab in 30 year. do you also think it's merely “an area of vacant land the state declared was state land” ? - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net and are you planning on claiming it's false and misleading to claim it's part of palestinian occupied territory that israel has stolen?

  • Malta sinking killed hundreds fleeing Gaza
    • in world of wars, where nations conquer others, empires rise and fall, we can say that the ‘legal’ ones are also those who took control by force and kept it.

      you can type whatever you want, but it won't make it true. you can't say " the ‘legal’ ones are also those who took control by force and kept it", that is actually against international law.

      this is laws of nature, of our world right now

      it may be "your world" but it's a neanderthal reality and it's definitely not considered 'legal' by the international community (hence, no one will place their embassy in unilaterally annexed jerusalem (against international law) nor recognize the territory of occupied east jerusalem as part of israel, since it's in the WB, palestine.)

      for someone who claims to not be a 'fan of politics' how did you end up on this political website spouting well worn hasbara/colonialist/zionist/reality-denying talking pts? do tell.

      ps, you might want to check up on the history, the brits didn't 'give' anyone the land. and since this thread is almost a week old it's likely hardly any commenters here will read your comments anytime soon.

    • egypt is partners w/US/IS. it's another dictator in the grip of US imperialism. but most palestinians are not trying to immigrate somewhere else. they have sumud and will remain in palestine. .

    • 250-300 of as many as 500 drowned were refugees from Gaza. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      500 people drowned? omg, this is hideous. this is mass murder on the high seas if it came down the way it was described in the article.

  • The elephant in the room, in Marin County
    • Best of all, once they were in the restaurant, we discovered that we could move to the dock right outside the venue, so whenever they looked through the huge glass window that was supposed to offer scenic views of the harbor and Alameda Island, what they actually saw was us and our signs!

      i love this henry!!! i couldn't stop laughing, fantastic

    • i just got an email from a vip who does not comment here. he wrote "she could add an 800-lb gorilla holding the elephant's trunk!"

      i think this idea could spread very very easily. hey!

  • Yale president's office was involved from the gitgo in blowup over Yale chaplain's letter
    • no one expected them to be ill received by the conservative (islamophobic) group who invited her and their conservative (islamophobic)friends.meanwhile, back in relity: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Draws Criticism From Fellow Atheists At Yale link to huffingtonpost.com

      Ali will speak at the invitation of the William F. Buckley Jr. Program, a student organization that describes itself as committed to diversity. Thirty-five other Yale groups have expressed concern over the invitation.

  • Achieving a hudna and ten years of calm in Israel/Palestine
    • somehow i find the idea of an israel supporter complaining about boring, irrelevant remarks over and over again really amusing.

    • the so-called hudnah is clearly a move for Hamas to have enough breathing room to re-stockpile

      that's exactly what israel did having agreed to a ceasefire in 08, they used the time to plan a massacre, timed for the end of bush's presidency when he was a lame duck. it wasn't hamas who planned a war.

      the hypocrisy of these hasbrats is stunning.

  • 'Stop$30Billion' coalition unveils new digital billboard in Albuquerque, NM
    • wow, so great to hear from you sue and all the amazing news of what's happening in NM. glad you got to meet up w/nina too. i'm really interested in the water filtration thing, if you know anyone there who wants to write it up for us and send it in that would be great. someone wrote me about their crowd funding for that project but i spaced in it ! argh. it's really worthy of a post tho. good to see you here.

    • nina, here's the contact page for link to stop30billion.org

      just tell sue you know me. she's reading this anyway. they are all reading this. ;)

    • i can't take credit for the 'find'. i'm friends w/some of these people and they know we're interested in covering their activism. and only because i was working on other drafts did it take me so long to get this up. it should have been up last week!

      albuquerque has an incredible activist community. really really top notch. words cannot express..and i say that seriously.

      also, i attended their sabeel conference link to mondoweiss.net which was incredible! they worked all year making it happen. and the youth there..highly motivated. it's just fantastic. i should be telling this to mooser after his top comment lol. if he only knew.

    • just, you're back. i've missed you!

    • kay, stop30billion is a phenomenal org. they're responsible for working with locals all across the country to get their billboards up. la, houston, many we've covered here on MW. but the first one, check out the embed at the beginning (ordinary citizens), it's incredible.

  • Five lessons from the struggle to reinstate Steven Salaita at the University of Illinois
    • i think he could be conceptually challenged susie. i had to go back and bold certain sections on my previous comment because he seems to think he can bully his way thru this offering not one link to back up his allegations basically just repeating what he said before with his copy/past job that he cannot verify. it's very clear he does not have the book and is just bent on carrying on spamming the thread with this same hatchet job article. fail.

    • I promised myself I wouldn’t come back to you bunch, but some of the stuff here needs a reply.
      Ethan, if you can't keep your promise to yourself we might help you. in the future when making accusations of lying, you need to provide a link to the source, and not just a link to allegations in a hit piece. you're obviously relying on other people's resource that you have not even verified. note how tree took a little time out of her day to rebut your arguments with a source, one could easily argue is not biased in her (tree's) favor? you should try that sometime, along with putting quote marks around other people's allegations you're copying.

    • Here is a collection of evidence from his publications. I am not claiming originality here–just displaying what has been discovered.

      you've provided no evidence whatsoever. nor evidence anything has been "discovered" if all you've got is unsourced allegations. your ONLY mention of tablet (in your 'discovery' post) was this: "In one case, a girl had carved a swastika into her own leg. But the BBC report which Salaita cites says she was a German (and the incident had nothing to do with Jews at all). [The recent Tablet article said that the ethnicity of the girl wasn't mentioned on the BBC; this is incorrect.] " ?? and your handle is professor? a professor of what? hasbara?

    • Annie Robbins, Salaita said that the girl who carved a swastika on her leg was Jewish - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      according to whom? not you presumably because you are just copy pasting! can you provide some source for this that provides a quote? or don't you do source links "prof" ethan (ha, professor my a**)

    • I don’t think we give them tenured positions in American Indian Studies. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      ha ha ha! and how long was the known islamophobe marty peretz tenured at harvard!! is this a joke?

    • There were about 630 cases of antisemitism reported in 2007 and 2008.

      and you cite none, and you want to be taken seriously?

    • I take the prof hasn’t actually read the book in question, since he is relying on hearsay ‘evidence’ about two footnotes which he appears to think is the sum total of the book’s arguments. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      thanks jwp. i also notice he has not, or is unable to address my request assuming you are not just copying someone else’s accusations. could you please cite the paragraph or at least the sentence, specifically, prior to the footnote? - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      so it looks like we're dealing with unsourced heresay.

      He’s copying and pasting from a negative review by someone called Liel Leibovitz - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      ah. i noticed he referenced the tablet article wrt the german girl, didn't link to it and gave no indication he was copy pasting or even referencing that article. interestingly, Leibovitz makes the claim/ accusation "any serious academic would agree, something is worth noting if it represents a statistically significant occurrence; in the footnote purporting to support his claim Salaita provides no concrete numbers for how many cases of anti-Semitic vandalism "

      but that's not true. if something is worth noting, if it represents a significant occurrence, the footnote should provide evidence. and notice that Leibovitz, while providing numbers, provides no evidence whatsoever, besides a link, that provides completely unsourced numbers. it tells us nothing but allegations. whereas off the top of my head i can think of numerous times i have heard of threats (including murder) of left wing jews. here is Leibovitz's source. link to worldjewishcongress.org

      and the history of zionism and the 'gathering of jews' from arab countries to palestine to necessitate a labor force w/a little help from mossad is compelling. plus the offers to 'trade' jewish populations in arab states such as iraq (governed by a british tool at the time) for palestinians, they've frequently engaged in trading violence against jews to further the zionist cause. i was just reading about how that happened in morocco circa 56 earlier today.

      anyway, no source, copy/paste/rumors and allegation from a pro israel advocate is nothing but allegations.

      anyone who has watched the movie defamation knows how ADL goes about collecting (alleged) anti semitic statistics.

    • There were about 630 cases of antisemitism reported in 2007 and 2008. Salaita cites a total of four. First of all–is that “numerous”?

      But second, in two of those four cases in the footnotes (pp. 146-147), Salaita INVENTS nefarious sneaky Jews. In one case, a girl had carved a swastika into her own leg.

      first of all, i highly doubt that is his wording "nefarious sneaky Jews", second, you have not established, in the case of the german girl who carved a swastica into her leg, that his writing was anti semetic. since you appear to have the book, assuming you are not just copying someone else's accusations. could you please cite the paragraph or at least the sentence, specifically, prior to the footnote? if he wrote she was jewish, and she was not and that is not backed up by any news reports, perhaps the point he was making was that some of the incidents were fabrications. why are you stating he's fabricating nefarious sneaky jews when his point seems to be that not all of these anti semitic attacks are what they are reported to be?

    • No intelligent discussion of the Salaita case is possible unless it is acknowledged that Salaita has written provably anti-semitic statements.

      iow, No intelligent discussion of the Salaita case is possible unless we concede you're right first? so why are you here discussing salaita? why not go to site where everyone agrees with you already? or maybe you're just into having, by your own standards, non-intelligent discussions.

    • he’s not talking about israelis, or the israeli govt–he’s talking about JEWS.

      and if they were jewish how is that deceptive or anti semitic? did he imply all jews? no. for example, are these article deceptive because it mentions the perps were jewish? link to manchestereveningnews.co.uk link to uk.news.yahoo.com
      should it have referenced british mobs instead? i'm not following you. and why is citing only 4 sources as examples not enough. it's common to not list every single incident when citing examples of circumstances.

  • Moe Diab debates SWU operative Philippe Assouline (Updated)

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