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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews
  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it
    • seafoid, from your link..funny

      Abbas's comments follow reports at the weekend that he was considering dismantling the Palestinian Authority if talks ended by the 29 April deadline without an extension.

      That prompted US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki to warn that move would have "grave implications" for US relations with the Palestinian Authority, including financial support.

      grave implications? obviously if the PA is disbanded the US can't have relations with it. that's kind of a no brainer, isn't it? sorta like if someone files for divorce and the partner claims it will have grave implications for the marriage...that's the whole point of divorce!

  • 'NYT' photo feature on women in Gaza ignores Israel and Palestine
    • Depicting the full range of humanity of Palestinians weakens any attempt to make them more easily caged and bombed. But, it seems it is also threatening to a kind of Western activist who also needs his representative victims simply defined.

      i think the authors point is that they didn't mention gazans as palestinians. so how does that show them in a "full range" if it's not even mentioned?

      don't you mean it seems to you, a person who didn't even address the point of the author, that the author is threatened? because it seems to me you are bending over backwards to evade the issue.

      it is called divide and conquer. there's nothing certain israeli factions would like more than chipping away at palestine, specifically chipping gaza away from the west bank, this is a quite common sentiment. but very irresponsible journalism.

    • thanks daniel

  • Max Blumenthal's guilt by association – with Jewish ethics
    • when her organization was attacked by the Anti-Defamation League. She thought it was a compliment.

      in a backhanded way, it is. it means one is making waves. it's only negative to the degree one respects the adl. frankly, i just don't.

    • without knowing what they wrote about Alison Weir, she does create a very strong defensive reaction in me.... She pushes the wrong buttons in my case. She does in fact create such a strong aversive reaction that I cannot read much what she writes.

      this tells us much more about you than anything about her. just thought i would mention.

  • How many 'Palestinian Arabs' want to kill 'all Jews?'
    • she acts and sounds like she's on drugs, like she just snorted a thick line of coke. i'm not joking. she's scary weird.

    • woody, yonah's point.... is that the infamous king's torah, that gentile baby killing manual, speaks for all israeli jews. and i heard any day now ADL is going to publish selected excerpts from that israeli best seller. and yonah will helpfully link to those excerpts when they do and then he'll also helpfully link to a 'jewwatch' anti semitic hate site with a glaring headline about the "genocide ideology" of jews,again just to be helpful. (snark!) yonah is defending the nyt letter writer! or the nyt? ahh!

  • Southern Poverty Law Center takes Blumenthal's side against smear campaign
    • Max claimed that the Israel Lobby is all-powerful

      nurit, what minute of the interview did he say that. because what i am hearing is "i don't think netanyahu and the combined power of the israeli lobby can decide a presidential election but what they can do is color the political landscape." so are you being

      NOT factual.

      ?

      except NYT repeatedly discussed Adelson’s links to Israel in its article about the donation that was published a couple days before Max’s interview:

      max didn't say their was no discussion of Adelson’s links to Israel in the mainstream media. he said:

      "there's a discussion in the US media about adelson's role and no mention of israel"

      and there was a discussion in the US media (like TV news) about adelson's role and no mention of israel. in fact most or all of the first stories in the msm about adelson/gingrich didn't mention israel at all. the interviewer ask max about the article he had previously written and that's when he mention what he wrote about. it was after that and after numerous reports on mondowiess and other social media the nyt published the article you linked to, which was probably influenced by the information exposed online.

      what max said, when he said it, was absolutely accurate, there had definitely been a discussion (numerous reports) in the US media about adelson's role and no mention of israel. that began to change as a result of the our (social media) exposure. weeks after that interview with max we published this link to mondoweiss.net on jan 29. 2012:

      I was blown away by Chris Hayes's mainstream coverage of Sheldon Adelson yesterday. Especially after the shocking Isikoff coverage.

      and the reference to Isikoff was phil's jan. 28th article titled

      Isikoff expose of Gingrich backer — ‘All we care about is being good citizens of Israel’ — puts ‘Israel firster’ issue in mainstream

      and this timing is important. this is when started really taking off:

      The last day has seen a remarkable battle in the mainstream discourse. .....

      The most important blow was delivered yesterday by Mike Isikoff in a great piece of reporting on Sheldon Adelson at NBC, featuring the video above. Isikoff squarely addresses the issue of Who benefits from an attack on Iran– by reporting that Adelson has Israel in his heart. The thrust of the piece is that Adelson has conflated Israel’s interest and the United States, and that’s wrong. This graphic from Adelson’s Israeli newspaper says it all.

      basically, once again, you're just full of hot air.

  • Tensions rise on Temple Mount as rightwing Jews seek to hold Passover rituals there
  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel
    • it really excites me. i'd love to see a massive showdown in the primaries over israel. i cannot think of an opportunity more ripe to expose israel's crimes.

      and frankly, i think paul is the only gop who could go up against hilary and win. why? because he is the only gop candidate who could pull votes from democrats. i'd love it if, in this election, israel got the attention it deserves. love it, finally.

      And Halperin’s book on the last election leaves the Israel factor completely out of the political equation, even as he swears to its importance on MSNBC.

      outrageous!

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an
    • The Jewish people originated in a country. ...Despite conquests and occupations, a tribal federation, two monarchies, a commonwealth and other forms of political and administrative frameworks existed.

      ok but the 'existence of forms of frameworks' is not the same as an "historical right" that is recognized legally.

      Two major wars with Rome in 66-69 CE and again in 132-135 CE that were lost basically disenabled the Jews from maintaining independence and with the various other conquests of Byzantium, Persians, Muslims, Crusaders, etc.

      got it, still nothing about "pre existing" "historical rights" here.

      all our cultural, historical and religious memories, customs, practices and ritual all revolve around this land.

      got it. still, that doesn't amount to a legal "right". i'm really trying to pin down where this right (which you're now claiming as "de facto") comes from. link to en.wikipedia.org de facto:

      In law, it often means "in practice but not necessarily ordained by law" or "in practice or actuality, but not officially established".

      by using the term "de facto", is this an admission by you there was or is no actual ordained "historical right" officially established? iow (in other words) you want it to be treated as tho this "right" is an established fact?

      The Arab illegal occupation never erased this right that was recognized de facto and finally, de jure.

      ok,this is just getting more and more interesting. link to en.wikipedia.org

      In a legal context, de jure is also translated as "concerning law". A practice may exist de facto, where, for example, the people obey a contract as though there were a law enforcing it, yet there is no such law.

      iow even tho there is no such law wrt "historical rights" you want palestinians to acknowledge it "as though there were a law enforcing it" ? and their refusal to "acknowledge" this "Jewish right" that only exists "in practice" but not "in fact" is like, according to you, intransigent or something?

      this is really wild logic. maybe it is you who should acknowledge there is no such law or legal 'right' on the books labeled as a "historical right" to real estate.

    • excuse my brevity. wrt > "with regard to".

      my post above was sort of a work in motion. i posted it and was adding to it/editing it while you were posting. in your quoted section, i still do not see specifically any reference to a "recognition" of "Jewish right" to a "historic homeland" therefore this lack or "refusal to acknowledge" is framing i'm having trouble with.

      "adopted... in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home" is not a 'recognition of a right'.

      again, the only reference to recognition in that document is a 'recognition to a historical connection' as grounds for establishing a national home. nothing about a historic "right". a historic connection is not the same as a historic right. connections are not "rights" per se. generally, when referencing "rights" in a legal sense i thought it meant wrt an established right. and there is a difference between establishing or granting as opposed to recognizing a pre existing right which is what you are implying.

      and if you are correct and there was some pre existing right, as dore gold alleged (with his footnote crediting the bible) where did this pre existing right come from and how is it acknowledged or referenced in league of nations doc? or are you referencing an alleged biblical right like gold was?

    • what "right" of "historic homeland" might that be? does this "right" apply to me wrt where my ancestors originated? or is a european christian also able to claim this right because their religion originated in the holy land?

      and when you say Jewish right ... "recognized" by the League of Nations and the United Nations,is that what they did? or did they grant rights? could you link to the "recognition" you're referencing.

      because what i read at the league of nations is link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country....

      iow, they recognized there was a "historical connection" as a grounds for reconstituting a national home. that's different than 'recognizing a right'. isn't it? and btw, that is the only reference to either the word "recognize" or "recognition" in a search of that document.

      whereas your claim is echoed by renowned hasbarist dore gold here link to jcpa.org (their italics and my bold):

      "The League of Nations Mandate did not create the rights of the Jewish people to a national home in Palestine, but rather recognized a pre-existing right - for the links of the Jewish people to their historic land were well-known�and accepted by world leaders in the previous century....5"

      further on in the footnotes for that quote/allegation:

      5. Benjamin Netanyahu, A Place Among the Nations: Israel and the World (New York: Bantam, 1993), pp. 14-15.�For the sake of historical perspective, one would do well to consider Ben-Gurion's first premise, the title deeds of the Jews to this land, which he presented on January 7, 1937, to the Peel Commission:

      "I say on behalf of the Jews that the Bible is our Mandate, the Bible which was written by us, in our own language, in Hebrew, in this very country. That is our Mandate. It was only recognition of this right which was expressed in the Balfour Declaration."

      so are you talking about a 'biblical right'? the mandate from the bible?

      And as for your close: “people who are at least trying to expose the truth whether they are right or wrong”, if they know they are wrong and they are purposefully lying what are they if not derogatoring the truth?

      you write this after the post was updated therefore can we presume it's not applicable to the article in question? or perhaps you didn't notice or read the update.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel
    • i agree Felixio. BDS all the way, NOW.

    • me too c&d. i thought, only after going thru all these formalities would the next step in the process begin. and obama is in office a few more years. i hope the EU unleashes. i predict the boycott is about to takeoff in very big ways.

    • The authors gives Israel a three-year deadline to put up or shut up and withdraw from the occupied territories, and asks us to start imagining a single democracy between the river and the sea.

      if, "The aim of our proposal is to bring matters to a head and to enable people to advocate equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis, in one form or another, free of the implication that this necessarily carries a threat to the existence of the state of Israel." people should start imagining a single democracy between the river and the sea now including whatever preparations the international community needs to make that happen. because it will probably take some time to find consensus on strategy and mobilization to impose or enforce any desired outcome.

      only that kind of pressure has a chance of pushing israel to end the occupation. why wait 3 years? for another US or israeli administration? for 50 years of occupation to be the endgame, transition planning and implementation should begin now.

      the marshall plan was a 4 year program.

  • Palestinian writers bring Gaza's hardships to American audience
  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor
    • i missed this comment of yours ritzl and just posted something upthread. exactly, it really (really) stands out.

    • (you are getting sleepy, very very sleepy, you are drifting off, away from the present issue… )

      ha! you skipped the best part:

      Let me take you back 3,000 years. Jerusalem is the capital of the world

      barkat probably fantasizes some future where an undivided and judaified jerusalem is the capital of the world. eee gads.

  • Alleged K.C. killer: 'If Jews can have a state of their own, why can't we have a White Christian state?'
    • I haven’t managed one single time to reach a specific comment via the recent comment bar on the right. It immediately shifts to somewhere else.

      i have nooo idea how that works. i agree, those urls to comments don't seem to be working out very well.

      another thing, i think some people (nurit and her colleagues) are jst itching to get the same milage out of this as we got against geller&co. but the circumstances are different and it's not going to work. hence, they are pretending that is not the case. reeks of desperation.

    • That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.

      neocons used to say our war against iraq - cheney/bush- was preventing another 9-11. similar trash orwellian bs logic.

    • thanks tree.

    • is miller the same white supremacist who took a screenshot of his desktop and accidentally revealed he had the israeli foreign ministry's megaphone downloaded onto his computer? that was a wild moment.

      edit: a little research, that was bill white, this guy: link to splcenter.org

      it was a big scandal back in 07 when he donated money to the ron paul campaign and a swarm of activists were connecting the paul w/this neo nazi because his campaign had accepted money from white.

      then, after white posted a screenshot of something on his blog and revealed the icon for the megaphone. and my point, is this kind of 6 degrees of separation can snag literally anyone.

      and for all you desperados out there claiming i was "implying" the gov of israel is responsible for these recent murders. i am not and wasn't. but this is what your ilk is trying to do to max. seriously, you're so desperate to malign you'll go to any length to serve your insatiable appetite. grow up.

    • here's what i find amusing leander, in the embed the murder said ("Jew")max exposes and explains this attempt by a foreign government Israel, to buy the presidential election for the neo-con, war-mongering republican establishment....but those standards everyone who reported on adelson's recent las vegas fiasco, and many did, could have been dragged into the conversation.

    • woody, nurit is alluding there's some mental compatibility between the murderer and max. it's a tactic in the hasbara point scoring manual. she might have a point if max had affiliated with him in some way, the way gellar embraced that mass murderer and engaged with him, published him on her site. but there is no such engagement with max and white supremacy. nurit's obsessed w/max. now she's stalking max on her twitter feed.

      will nurit using her precious blog space to obsess over geller's racism? don't hold your breath.

    • the same kind argument has been made here ... same complaint as this alleged killer.... That the GD Jews get away with things the white man...can’t...

      could you give a few examples of the "same kind of argument" in context please and who you are referencing..

      The vast majority of people who comment at MW are in no way anti-semites.

      this is an odd focus/leap given the topic we're discussing. this guy murders 3 people and you respond by mentioning "draining the swamp" in the comment section and commenters on mondoweiss. sort of a long shot if you ask me.

      it reminds me of link to twitter.com

      who thinks like that?

  • It's time to reveal the Israeli role in the US surveillance machine
  • 'Secret' London conference seeks to link BDS to... terrorism
  • About that special relationship...
    • i think the expression on putin's face is very telling. i also don't take this haaretz article at face value or the allegation that israel has been 'staying out of it' in the ukraine. i don't believe it. i think we're in for a snow job. and domestically, in israel, making it look as tho netanyahu is taking a stand against kerry/obama or US interests boosts his popularity w/the right flank. so i am not buying this. victoria noland and netanyahu on opposing sides? not on your life.

      and putin doesn't look like he's buying it either. remember how the neocons (w/help from israel training georgian troops) supported georgia to go pound south ossesia? against russia? and then the press was on full steam lying and trying to hide the fact georgia started that 'skirmish' 24 hrs before russia invaded to protect the besieged people of south ossesia?

      that last bit of news wasn't revealed for over a month by our msm, once everyone had been hoodwinked into believing russia started that fiasco. dan senor was on the team helping that georgian president (whatever his long tonguetwister name was). anyway, the neocons want their pound out of russia. and where the neocons go, israel is backing them like clockwork. usually, as far as i know. this reminds me of the lobby and israel claiming they were 'silent' over syria until obama appealed for their 'help' in convincing congress to vote for war. they kept announcing it repeatedly in the press how neutral they were. all that tells me is they want us to think they are neutral. big dif

  • To reach the 'moveable middle' in Jewish life, you must be inside the tent
    • Nader’s vanity run permitted George Bush to nominate Alito and Roberts and changed the Supreme Court for decades and constitute a bitter true-life demonstration of Voltaire’s quip about making the perfect the enemy of the good.

      elections are not stolen at the beginning of the count, but at the end. this is why on both the elections the gop stole the tallies for florida (2000) and ohio (2004) came in last, although many states were effected. it is the final state where they make up the difference. the votes for nader were not significant enough to prevent them from pulling this off they would have just cheated more. so, imho, you're just dreaming woody.

    • If the “backbone”

      marco, who are you quoting?

    • I blame the Naderites for the Iraq War as much as I blame Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.

      it's funny how one bit of information reveals so much about someones logic.

      i'd be curious to find out who is on the membership committee. according to haaretz, "refer the membership application of J Street for consideration by the full membership of the Conference at the Conference’s General Meeting.....will require a quorum of 75% members and two-thirds of the votes to pass."

      iow, it doesn't become more democratic, it becomes less. so who is on the membership committee and how did they get on that committee, because they sound like the supremes.

  • Amid 'climate of fear' at Vassar, president comes out against 'action and protest' re Israel
    • Kind of interesting that this site is now being viewed as the center of anti-Zionism, which in many it is, but its profile has grown tremendously in the past few years to the point where Likudniks like Glick is now reading it, apparently.

      this is from early 2012
      link to nymag.com

      At Bard, I saw two female students literally clutching The Crisis of Zionism to their chests after Beinart had signed their copies. But while Beinart’s Army still exists, its future recruits may be more likely to come from the anti-Zionist wing of the American Jewish intellectual world.

      The hub of that world is the website Mondoweiss, which is run by Philip Weiss, a veteran journalist (and occasional New York contributor) who has largely put aside his career as a generalist writer to become an intellectual godfather to a coterie of younger anti-Zionist Jewish intellectuals, who don’t believe Israel must remain a Jewish state. In some ways, Weiss admires Beinart. “There’s a kind of nobility, or a romance anyway, in what he’s doing,” Weiss says. Though their current projects are of course incompatible—“My belief is we have to save Jews from Zionism,” Weiss says; “he thinks you can save Zionism”—Weiss holds out hope that one day they might not be. “The interesting question to me is, What is the crisis of Peter Beinart? Those of us in the anti-Zionist camp wonder if this rude reception, this bum’s rush he’s getting, is going to send him into our arms.”

    • Arab and African American culture also has an unruly or turbulent side. I do think that white Americans and Europeans partly have a natural tendency to identify with Israelis because they can fit them better into models of European culture.

      omg, there's so much wrong with your comment i wouldn't know where to begin.

    • needless to say, i loooove his new video.

  • The Jewish community must not embrace Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    • C&D, check out these videos link to mondoweiss.net

      i recalled drafting this and communicating w/danya about this action @ UNM protesting nonie darwish. how could i forget! the stand w/us crowd start lunging into the protestors!

      and Walid Shoebat, he was another that made the rounds until he too was outed as a liar. link to en.wikipedia.org

      it's an industry, islamophobes for hire. especially if you are ex muslim or a convert there's a lot of money in this.

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    • Nonie Darwish is an awful islamophobe. she does on tour with w/the campus watch team

  • 'Not a single person in this room would accept living as Palestinians do, generation after generation'
  • 6 DC heavyweights tell Kerry, Netanyahu in West Bank is like Putin in Crimea
    • Why are you saying that when you are saying its bad to demonize Putin, which is in turn my point.

      john was responding to donald not you. donald's point, as i read it, was that people trying to persuade Kerry would not have influence w/him if they supported crimea rejoining w/russia. so john stated that in turn, it ends up demonizing putin which isn't helpful. so of the 2 pts, john stated 'exactly' referencing donald's 'influence' point not yours.

  • 'There's a lot of anti-Semitism out there' -- Johansson reviews her role as 'new face of apartheid'
    • We flucking need them ourselves! ... our talented and energetic progressive Jewish activists are down for the count, laid out by the needs of a foreign nation.

      no it's not unique. i feel the same way. thank goodness there are a lot of them who have broken thru the cultural malaise.

    • exactly, see my last comment to you.

    • The use of apartheid as a synonym with modern Israel is used a lot here, but there are some fundamental structural differences.

      that may very well be, but none of the structural differences you mention in any way alter the conditions required for the definition of the crime of apartheid to be applied, not that you were arguing otherwise.

      the conditions you mention, the " ominous dimension": Palestinian future being erased, but so is their past. this would be applicable to the crime of genocide albeit there are differences of opinion about the definition of that crime.

    • Annie, so you are no longer a fan? One of the problems here is the demonization of people for their beliefs.

      first of all i don't relate to terms like demons, demonize, or evil when discussing people or their beliefs (or even movements like supporting apartheid) . i don't think it's helpful. i might make an exception for that in discussing people who worship satan or demons, followers of satanic rituals or something but otherwise it's off the table. so i won't be demonizing scarlett johansson, ever.

      A person could be Jewish, they could be a neoconservative, they may love Israel, but this should not alter their humanity(or lack of it).

      first of all, i wasn't a fan of her humanity. i thought she was a good actress. she's probably still a good actress but i no longer respect her, therefore i am not a fan of hers.

      Maybe she’s a decent person, a good actor, maybe a good friend, daughter.

      the same could be said for mel gibson or woody allen. once you find out someone does something you consider immoral it's kind of natural to feel repulsed thinking of them.

      But here stance on Israel does not alter or change her character.

      from my understanding, she didn't alter or change her character, she revealed it. i just can't look at her the same. it's similar to how i feel about alicia keyes. something just snapped, she's a collaborator.

    • she most definitely knew of BDS or anti-Israeli protests...She should admit to this as I don’t see-if she stands by SdaStrm-why it would matter.

      i agree, i'm not sure it does matter. my point was "scarlett walked right into it, apartheid didn’t walk into scarlett." whether she walked into it knowingly or not, she should have known. but either way, it was not out of anti semitism or her identity as jewish that she was targeted.

      ie bill gates is being targeted right now. it has to do w/his investments and actions (actually the fund under his name). so if gates responded to the campaign by claiming the campaign was racist, especially in light of the recent confirmation Arafat Jaradat was tortured to death link to oximity.com at a prison under the very same 'security' corporation gates is invested in, or because of his gates ethnicity, everyone would think he was crazy.

      claims of anti semitism are becoming so common and watered down they almost have no meaning. it's unfortunate she's falling back on this excuse for why she's being labeled.

      anyway, i really don't care anymore when she became aware this corporation was operating in the illegal jewish settlements.

    • wow, i just saw this. it was supposed to sting and scarlett walked right into it, apartheid didn't walk into scarlett. soda stream was already massively targeted and the effort of a big campaign by activists years before she decided to be the face of this apartheid company.

      she should have known that as well as her advisors. we (activists) are not a benign influence just because the msm ignored us completely.

      it's no surprise the bds campaign also used that term. this is not anti semitism, it's apartheid and the fact she happened to be jewish was irrelevant in my decision to use that term. any actress lending their face and image to promote soda stream would have been marked with the same label.

      and let this be a warning to other actors who chose to lend their image to apartheid. i don't care who you are. neil young or beyonce. it's supposed to sting but whatever they feel is nothing compared to what palestinians have endured.

      and scarlett, if you're reading this. i liked you before. i was a fan. you blew it.

  • Why LA needs a city-funded Middle Eastern cultural center
  • State Dep't tries to clean up Kerry's 'Poof'
    • great news hostage, thanks

    • They annexed Jerusalem since then. Countries don’t lightly give up annexed territory. So no they wouldn’t listen.

      it's irrelevant to the point that they wouldn't listen because they've annexed jerusalem since then. they wouldn't listen or give up the territory even before they unilaterally annexed it (which is against international law). nobody expects israel to throw up their hands and walk away, we already know what they'll say to that.

      basically your message is UN sanctions have no teeth. fine, then let's apply sanctions and put your theory to the test. we'll just see how long israel lasts under strong sanctions. it took 10 years of sanctions to bring iraq to its knees and they had far more sustainable resources than israel has.

      as an aside, you're going to have to do more than make comments and have opinions based on completely fabricated allegations* (like 'gaza is a state') to be part of this conversation. otherwise it's clear you're just here to derail the thread. at a minimum try prefacing your make believe with, "in my opinion" or "hypothetically speaking". don't state wishful thinking as fact, at least not if you want anyone besides moderators to read your comments.

      *this pertains to the slew of unpublishable comments you've attempted to make on this thread.

  • 66 years ago today 42 members of my family were slaughtered in Deir Yassin
    • attacking under fire versus going in without a single act of hostility are two completely different cases.

      On January 20, 1948, the villagers met leaders of the Givat Shaul community to form a peace pact. The Deir Yassin villagers agreed to inform Givat Shaul should Palestinian militiamen appear in the village, by hanging out certain types of laundry during the day—two white pieces with a black piece in the middle—and at night signaling three dots with a flashlight and placing three lanterns in a certain place. In return, patrols from Givat Shaul guaranteed safe passage to Deir Yassin residents, in vehicles or on foot, passing through their neighborhood on the way to Jerusalem.[12] Yoma Ben-Sasson, Haganah commander in Givat Shaul, said after the village had been captured that, "there was not even one incident between Deir Yassin and the Jews."[13]

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      but either way you're wrong and your logic is deeply flawed and sickening. it is not "completely different " using the slaughter of civilians to ethnically cleanse the land for a jewish state even had there been " a single act" of hostility from the village.

  • Australia opposed Palestinian UN bid because foreign policy was 'subcontracted to Jewish donors' -- report
    • oh lookie i'm shocked "Bob Carr accused of bigotry over diary claims of pro-Israeli foreign policy" link to theguardian.com

      Melbourne-based Jewish MP Michael Danby rejected the allegation on the ABC and accused Carr of bigotry: “It's laughable but I suppose in the current climate, as George Brandis says, it's OK to be a bigot.

      “No one has that kind of influence. There are various people who have different views in Australian political life and Bob's a big boy. He should be bigger than that.”

      And the national chairman of the Australia-Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, Mark Leibler, said Carr was vastly exaggerating the influence of the pro-Israel lobby.

      “I think Bob doesn't miss a trick. I mean, if anything's calculated to sell books.

      “Just unpick for a moment what he’s saying. He's talking about the Jewish lobby; he's talking about a difference of opinion between him and the prime minister. Why can't they have a difference of opinion on a matter related to Israeli policy? No, if there's a difference of opinion, the prime minister has to be controlled or influenced by someone. So the prime minister has to be wrong ‘cause she's controlled by the Jewish lobby.

      “How does the Jewish lobby control the prime minister? Through donations to the ALP and sending people to Israel. I mean, give me a break. I mean, would anyone sort of seriously accept that? I mean, I'm very flattered … [but] this is really a figment of his imagination. I mean, Julia Gillard is an independent-thinking woman. She can come to her own conclusions without being influenced by the Jewish lobby.

      sure she can, but does she? and if so, then why bother throwing all that money around ?

    • LOL, what would we do without you hops! you crack me up.

  • Brandeis retracts plan to honor anti-Muslim activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    • bla bla bla bla This brave woman has endured genital mutilation

      allegedly. she's lied about so much else how would you know? how would anyone know?

      buse and oppression to come out and speak the truth.

      did you even read the article? or the embeds?

      link to theguardian.com

      The TV programme, broadcast 10 days ago, highlighted the fact that Hirsi Ali had falsified her original asylum application in Holland, saying that she had not come from war-torn Somalia as she claimed, but from Kenya, where she had lived peacefully for 10 years. The fact that she had lied was well-known, retorted Hirsi Ali, making the point that was she was fleeing a forced marriage. Not so, said van Dongen, using testimony from her brother and husband to allege that the marriage was not made under compulsion. Nor van Dongen said, was Hirsi Ali raised in a strict Muslim family.

      sounds like her whole bio was fabricated. at 8:10 in the video she admits she fabricated a story:

      no abuse, no oppression.

  • Appeals court upholds dismissal of anti-BDS lawsuit against Olympia Food Co-op
    • whats ‘hasbara central”? anybody who disagrees with you?

      not really. many of us operate with the assumption this site is targeted

      "Covert online students hasbara units directed out of Israeli PM Netanyau’s office"

      link to mondoweiss.net

      plus, we've intercepted hasbrat commenters using i.p. addresses directly from that location in the past. ask yourself, why wouldn't they be commenting here?

  • Outspoken Rahm Emanuel goes off-the-record when asked about Israel
  • Zionism has distorted American Jewish life
    • No other people on this planet have been persecuted the way Jews have and for the length of time this has continued.

      according to some jews anyway. what was it hannah ardent wrote about jews being shocked or surprised of something during the 1800's when some book on jewish history came out making that claim? someone quoted it here once and there was a big fight about it. and what do you mean by "this has continued"? as if jews today are persecuted like no other people on the planet? this is crazy.

      when you say "the way Jews have " do you mean it was worst than the suffering of the congolese under leopold? this mentality of continuously being persecuted more than any other people is... nuts. it's brainwashed thinking.

  • 'We ask you to show solidarity with the farmers and their families of Gaza': Open letter to Neil Young from Gaza agricultural workers
    • i'm talking about 04, the election before the mosh video. it was way way more than 1%. here's robert kennedy jr. originally published in rolling stone link to commondreams.org

      As the last polling stations closed on the West Coast, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in ten of eleven battleground states -- including commanding leads in Ohio and Florida -- and winning by a million and a half votes nationally. The exit polls even showed Kerry breathing down Bush's neck in supposed GOP strongholds Virginia and North Carolina.(30) Against these numbers, the statistical likelihood of Bush winning was less than one in 450,000.(31) ''Either the exit polls, by and large, are completely wrong,'' a Fox News analyst declared, ''or George Bush loses.''(32)

      But as the evening progressed, official tallies began to show implausible disparities -- as much as 9.5 percent -- with the exit polls.

      and i recommend link to harpers.org

      it's been awhile so i can't recall all the details, but i was following this very closely for many months after the election and it was astounding the info that came out in places like ohio, NM, many other states. even court cases completely ignored by the msm. just outrageous.

      i agree w/you tho about kerry, horrible candidate.

    • Such stuff is unscientific gibberish and ignorant nonsense.

      woody, one could claim centuries of chinese medicine is merely gibberish and ignorant too, but that basically an ad hominem argument. btw, just because western science doesn't recognize, understand or is able to prove something doesn't mean it's just gibberish. and the same could be said about Acupuncture.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Scientific investigation has not found any histological or physiological correlates for traditional Chinese concepts such as qi, meridians, and acupuncture points,

      also, sanpaku is not (necessarily or usually) a permanent condition. there are plenty of photos of neil young where you don't see this condition and photos of jfk where you don't see it either. there was a time i have looked in the mirror and saw it in myself. it was after my sister died and i was in horrible shape. they say the eyes are a window to the soul (i know i know ignorant gibberish) but i do believe it's a sign of an imbalance.

      And when it comes to medicine, “ancient” virtual always means “wrong” and almost as often means “stupidly wrong.”

      hmm. so much for healing with herbs eh woody. no camomile tea for you.

    • i remember when mosh came out, that was huge. i watched it over and over. killer incredible video. bush stole that election and they did it thru the poor districts.

    • Sanpaku is not superstition. it's not usual to see more than a sliver of white under the eye. it's a sign of imbalance. i learned that when i was a teen.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      i don't think it's applicable when a person is looking upward. but when they are looking straightforward and the white is showing below the pupil it is not normal health.

  • Where is Sarah Ali?
    • Sarah Ali received a permit from Israel to travel from Gaza to Jerusalem to apply and interview for her U.S. visa. However, after she received her visa, Israel would not allow her to travel out of Gaza to Jordan to join her colleagues on tour.

      and it takes a 1/2 hr to travel from jerusalen to ben gurion. so there was no security risk involved. it's just out of spite and cruelty.

    • exactly john douglas.

    • been debunked so many ways its ridiculous ...Just google

      ha! it's you making an argument with silly allegations, don't tell me what to google. link to the photo yourself (dated near the time of the assault on Jan 31st). and no lying islamophobic websites either. i'm sure jpost would have been all over this had it been 'debunked'.

      if you plan on debunking zirin, link to mondoweiss.net who is sportswriter, you'll need more ammunition than mere chutzpa.

      The part of the response that was truly jarring however was the numerous private queries I received from prominent members of the media. I am choosing to keep their identities private because their correspondence to me was private and I will respect that. The queries contained no curiosity about Israel’s possible expulsion from FIFA. They all instead openly doubted that the shooting of the two young men had even taken place. Was I sure this really happened? When I pointed to my initial sources, the response by numerous people was, “Do you have any sources that are not Palestinian?” One person, writing for a major sports website, sent me numerous queries that I did not respond to, and then when the facts of the shooting appeared in the Israeli paper Haaretz, said to me, “Forget previous queries. I see news of the shooting on Haaretz. Never mind.” The assumption of mendacity affixed to Palestinian sources spoke volumes.

    • looking on the bright side, israel didn't shoot 10 bullets into his feet:

      link to mondoweiss.net

      or abduct him and throw him in jail without charge for a few years as they have treated other athletes:

      link to mondoweiss.net

  • 'For me, Palestine is paradise': An interview with Leila Khaled
    • She thinks it is right for her children to pick up a gun to undo Israel. It’s not clear she has a moral claim to this; she certainly has no claim of necessity.

      She says for her Palestine is Paradise. She doesn’t mean two states. She means to acquire this Paradise with a gun.

      She (being "rachel" the "settler" from brooklyn ny) thinks it is right for her children to pick up a gun to undo Palestine. It’s not clear she has a moral claim to this; she certainly has no claim of necessity.

      She says for her Israel is Paradise. She doesn’t mean two states. She means to acquire this Paradise with a gun.

    • It looks like that includes refugees displaced in ’67, i.e. not from inside ’48 borders.

      gee ya think? what else would you call them? many many of those expelled in 67 were expelled for the second time. why wouldn't a palestinian kicked out of their home in 67 be a palestinian refugee?

    • link to auphr.org

      Palestinians are the largest and longest suffering group of refugees in the world. One in three refugees world wide is Palestinian. There are about 6.5 million Palestinian refugees worldwide. More than 3.8 million Palestinian refugees and their descendents displaced in 1948 are registered for humanitarian assistance with the United Nations. Another 1.5 million Palestinian refugees and their descendents, also displaced in 1948, are not registered with the UN. About 263,000 Palestinians and their descendents are internally displaced i.e. inside present-day "Israel".
      Descendents of refugees are included in the total population because they are still unable to realize their basic rights. About 20,000 Palestinians were internally displaced in the West Bank and Gaza Strip by 2001, some 3,000 of whom were newly displaced during that year. At least 26,000 Palestinians left the West Bank and Gaza Strip for Jordan and did not return between June 2000 and July 2001. Such transfer of the Palestinian population driven by hard econmic and discriminatory conditions continues today.

      Sources

      Adapted from The Palestinian Dispossession - Frequently Asked Questions
      May 15, 2003 By MIFTAH

      Badil Resource Center for Refugee Rights
      Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding
      Shaml - Palestinian Diaspora and Refugee Center
      United Nations Relief and Works Agency
      U.S. Committee for Refugees

  • Friedman says Iran's friends include BDS and Jews in Open Hillel movement
    • this would be funny if it wasn't so sick:

      Israel’s 47-year-old occupation of the West Bank has led it to build more settlements there and in doing so make itself look like the most active colonial power on the planet today.

      the way this reads, 'the occupation' led israel to build settlements! and as a result, poor lil israel was forced to appear like a very active colonial power.

      ah shucks, too bad israel is not a free agent and can't figure out how to get this dern occupation to stop leading israel to keep stealing more land and appearing so so so colonial.

    • Israel followed orders.

      oh please this is a bunch of garbage. it's been awhile since i researched US involvement in south american but the pre neocons (they were not called that then, same gang tho) had their hands all over pushing out policies down there. i'm not buying this for one minute but this framing/hasbara is nothing new. won't stick.

  • Israeli restrictions over Palestinian movement violate Christian religious freedom during Easter
  • Apathy in Ramallah as negotiations with Israel dive
    • This extension business is all hocus-pocus but it serves its purpose in delaying the day of judgement at the ICC

      true, but as i recall the prisoners to be released in this deal were not israel's choice, they were the palestinian negotiators. there were some crucial people ..like perhaps abbas's successor marwan barghouti. palestinian negotiators are playing hardball and they want borders. so it is likely or probable after israel releases the prisoners they already agree to release (back at the beginning), then the negotiations to extend might require israel to lay out a border proposal worth the time and effort of palestinians. so, i wouldn't assume this is a repeat of last time or the time before.

    • thank you so very much brenda.

    • So yes, expect a lot of words, but all words because all so-called “sanctions” are, and for the foreseeable future will remain, make-believe stuff that only touches so-called “settlements” of post-67 occupation. That seems to be the position of most of the official BDS movement, too.

      really? do tell .maybe we just hang in different 'bds circles'.

    • here's the note henry

      fun fun fun link to maannews.net

      The sources described the meeting as a "fierce political battle", with Martin Indyk struggling to control heated exchanges between both sides.

      Erekat reportedly told the Israeli side that "we are here to negotiate in the name of the UN-recognized State of Palestine, not in the name of a Palestinian Authority whose inputs and outputs are controlled by Israel."

      Israeli negotiators responded by threatening to put "endless" sanctions on the Palestinians, the sources said.

      During the heated exchanges, US special envoy Martin Indyk reiterated his support for Israel's security.

      Majid Faraj responded by stressing that the Palestinians were there for "political, not security" talks and to negotiate about Jerusalem as the future capital of an independent Palestinian state.

      Erekat responded to Israeli threats of sanctions by saying the PLO would go after Israeli officials as "war criminals" in international institutions.

      link to linkis.com

      and kerry called it "progress" (funny)

      While Palestinian sources described an acrimonious meeting with Israeli negotiators early Thursday morning, US Secretary of State John Kerry said that the talks had "made progress" in narrowing some questions that arose over the last few days.

      Speaking during a state visit to Algeria, Kerry said the talks were at a "critical stage" and that gaps remain between the sides that "will have to be closed and closed fairly soon."

      i was thinking of writing something up about it but it got lost in the shuffle.

    • henry, there was a big screaming fight wed night that lasted for hours. i'll see if i can find the notes i sent to phil. so this 'list' which was not a list possibly got bandied about during that conversation and then got leaked.

      and as for borders, i completely agree link to mondoweiss.net

    • there's only so much hypocrisy one can endure. reading mayhem blame palestinians for their own oppression while lecturing me about taking the easy way out is farcical.

    • spruik? but it's true isn't it. israel takes unilateral action all the time. it is a pre condition of these negotiations that they are taking place under occupation. that is a fact. it is a pre condition of these negotiations that they are taking while israel is expanding settlements, that's a fact. it is a pre condition of these negotiations that they are taking while israel is murdering palestinian children, with impunity. that's a fact.

      Without foundation you stridently slander Israel as killing with impunity

      slan·der
      ˈslandər/Submit
      nounLAW
      1.
      the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

      it's not false!

    • bandalero, livni is funny in your link

      The United States should change its role in the Middle East peace process allowing for more direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians, Israel's chief negotiator Tzipi Livni said on Saturday.

      she makes it seem as tho after decades israelis and palestinians have not had the opportunity to do this themselves. this reminds me of the big olmert lie w/the map on a napkin!!! lol. and who could forget her own words revealed in the palestine papers. where were the americans then?

      "direct talks "! that's going back to the old hasbara: link to mondoweiss.net

      Does anyone recall how the last round of “talks” torpedoed? Israel didn’t want to submit proposals for borders. Back in 2011 when the Quartet, the United Nations, the United States, the European Union and Russia, requested that both parties submit comprehensive proposals on territory and security for two states, Netanyahu balked and stated such proposals should be presented in direct negotiations and not before......And then, they got together and predictably no proposal from Israel was forthcoming.

      what is it they want to say in these 'direct negotiations'??

      what a joke.

    • they didn't offer "nothing in return". they agreed to hold off going to the global community/UN for 9 months. that was why israel offered to release all those prisoners. don't act like putting that off for 9 more months was nothing. occupation is painful. israel got off scott free building away and killing with impunity for 9 more months. let the sanctions begin, then talk to me about pre conditions. israel demands the pre condition of occupying millions of palestinians while they are negotiating, don't act like that's not a pre condition.

      israel demands the pre condition of detaining palestinians without charge while they are negotiating, don't act like that's not a pre condition.

      israel demands the pre condition of bulldozing palestinian homes while they are negotiating, don't act like that's not a pre condition.

      israel demands the pre condition of murdering palestinian children while they are negotiating, don't act like that's not a pre condition.

      all those things have happened during negotiations, so you're not fooling anyone w/your framing.

    • it's very good news indeed bandelero.

      an interesting aside...when israel objected to palestinians proceeding at the UN simultaneously while negotiations were occurring kerry supported and facilitated the agreement to release the prisoners to implement that pre condition be imposed. but wrt to palestinian request, that there be a settlement freeze, nothing was done and israel just kept building.

      so enough of this. negotiations are a facade and palestinians are right to make reasonable demands (no building settlements, end the blockade and PA sovereignty in jordan valley ) before even considering further engagement. what would be the point of negotiating from the position of the imprisoned while soldiers are sport hunting your children with impunity. it's insane.

    • thanks brenda, for the most part that's my take on it too. europe is waiting in the wings and israel knows it. and i wouldn't be surprised if this was in coordination with obama's administration. it makes sense to go thru the formalities of exhausting US diplomacy, but obama and kerry already said they could not stave off foreign (european) bds and warned of the repercussions. while the US is stymied by congress, it makes sense to pull back on pressuring europe to keep their hands off this. europe gave israel lots of warning, repeated warnings. they should act. the global community should engage and the US should pull back propping israel up. let the process unfold.

      there is absolutely no reason why israel can't 'negotiate' while under pressure from an international BDS campaign and UN involvement. sanctions anyone?

    • While the Palestinians may agree to extend the negotiations by nine months, that makes only sense if their will be a complete freeze of settlement construction

      they have asked for a settlement freeze all along and this was dubbed 'preconditions' with the israel mantra being that they are for negotiations with no preconditions. anyway, this article link to jpost.com now claims this is a new palestinian condition.

      The Palestinian Authority has set new conditions for agreeing to extend the peace talks with Israel after April, PA officials in Ramallah said Thursday.

      Two of the new conditions include Israeli recognition of the pre-1967 lines as the future borders of a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital and the release of 1,200 more Palestinian prisoners, the officials said.

      The Palestinian Authority is now demanding that Israel release three senior terrorists: Marwan Barghouti, Ahmed Sa’adat and Fuad Shobaki.

      The conditions also include a complete cessation of settlement construction, the imposition of PA sovereignty over Area C in the West Bank, a halt to Israeli military operations in PA-controlled territories, and “reunion” permits for some 15,000 Palestinians.

      Still other conditions include reopening the Gaza border crossings, lifting the blockade on the Gaza Strip, and permitting the return of Palestinian terrorists who were deported to the Gaza Strip and Europe after they sought shelter from the IDF in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002.

  • When Anja Niedringhaus went to Gaza
    • people living in Gaza to some extent can leave, should they choose to do so. I am in no way a fan of Israel’s treatment of Gaza.

      really. you mean like sarah ali link to mondoweiss.net

      and what do these 2 sentences, how do they relate? you're no way a fan of Israel’s treatment of Gaza and "Gaza to some extent can leave, should they choose to do so."

      the 'to some extent' is the extent by which israel allows, not if gazan's "choose to do so" (and israel withdraws their permits to return if they're gone an amount of time israel deems too long). israel bombed their airport, seaport, tunnels and controls the borders (via egypt or otherwise). so what, pray tell, are you talking about?

      maybe you don't know what the word blockade means.

  • Adelson would install Netanyahu in the White House if he had his druthers -- Avnery
    • i didn't mean you just, i meant phil re 'filling me in'. that was alex.

      my commentary wasn't included in the article.

    • hey, credit where credit is due, those were alex's supporting links. ;)

      my comment was the bodyguards were probably hand picked/part of the vetting team, (along w/dermer link to mondoweiss.net )

      i assume they likely double as israeli government agents. when the candidates get formally vetted by netanyahu they fly to israel. this is just the first step.

  • US is 'absolutely adamant' that Palestine not go to ICC and wreck the peace process -- Power
    • The spirit behind the legislation is to deter Palestinian action, that is what we do all the time and that is what we will continue to do

      lol, she can't get anymore blatant than that.

  • 'NYT' readers who objected to calling Abbas 'defiant' have a point, public editor rules
    • i find it particularly amusing sucki is making an obvious insinuation, by posting this article that is nothing more than an extended ad hominem, that nyt doesn't post Jewish pro-Palestinian voices because, as the article says:

      It is not worthwhile to engage with them because their hostility is immune to honest debate.

      and she's doing it here! meaning it's not worthwhile for her to post here. by this same 'logic', doesn't it make sense to give ms sucki a taste of her own medicine?

    • thanks peter, excellent link. ali got the story.

  • Ehud Olmert's JNF-sponsored tour nixed after corruption conviction
    • " Our goal is to reach a diverse population at each of these campuses and for thousands of students to hear a Positively Israel message of how Israel is helping to make the world a better place .."

      for more on JNF's Positively Israel: link to mondoweiss.net

  • Oren says Pollard 'sacrificed himself for the Jewish people'
    • He is the embodiment of a national narrative of the Jew who sacrificed himself for his people

      gag me, just gag me.

      The more disturbing implication here isn’t really about Pollard but about Oren

      it's all about oren and people who think like him. more and more i'm thinking the nyt will publish anything for the cause of zionism. what garbage.

  • 'A Painful Price': The escalating war on Palestine solidarity at U of Michigan and beyond
    • nurit, "multiple states expressing doubts" Israel would fulfill Res 194 has no bearing on israel's obligation by which they were admitted to the UN.

      you stated "It is clear that Israel is implicitly rejecting article 11 of Res 194"

      this sounds like wordsmithing. i was just wondering if you were familiar with the definition of implicit?

      link to merriam-webster.com

      im·plic·it adjective \im-ˈpli-sət\
      : understood though not clearly or directly stated

      so you're admitting 'It is clear that Israel did not clearly, nor directly, ever state they rejected article 11 of Res 194' .....but they were admitted into the UN with that clear understanding?

      an understanding it was ok with members of the UN who voted for israel's admission, that israel had no intention of fulfilling their obligations?

      this sounds really far fetched. if israel was clearly rejecting res 194 why do you think eban resorted to rejecting the resolution merely by implication? it's a rather crucial point don't you think?

      are you suggesting he was intentionally hoodwinking the UN?

  • From Portland to Portland, and Amman to Lahore, 'NYT' letter-writers are sharper than 'NYT' writers
    • no one was likely to associate all ‘whites’ with the South African elite

      no one? really? hmm.

  • Tell Bill Gates to divest from Israeli occupation profiteer G4S
    • thanks riyadh, very strange indeed.

    • i think it could be possible the gates foundation is not aware there is an international campaign against G4S and perhaps they are not familiar with the gross injustices carried out under their "security" services. perhaps they are not aware their investment is embroiled in a massive human rights issue. i think it's a great letter.

      i hope as a result of this letter they rethink their investment and decide to invest their funds - of which the profits, i agree, are frequently used for really important life saving initiatives - in companies and corporations not linked to crimes against humanity.

    • i happen to have a good friend who works for the gates foundation and i have already emailed him/her this post. so the graphic will be seen.

      also, according to my friend (who is no slouch and a non zionist) the foundation (paraphrasing) doesn't seek to involve itself in politically contested issues, or something. it's been a while since i have seen this person but i recall our conversation well.

      i think they will care.

  • Liberal schizophrenia and moral myopia: On Ari Shavit's 'My Promised Land'
    • i think this is one of my favorite articles you have ever written alex. i really like hearing your opinions.

    • One can look at the history of almost state in the world.

      and what are you babbling on about egypt for? this is going on, it's not just israel's history, it's israel's present day. please site me an example of another 'nation formation - ethnic cleansing' taking place during an era where the whole world was watching in a moment by moment web based world. israel came along too late. this is not acceptable in todays world. it's too last century.

      would you be claiming this was ok if israel was running a slave trade? 'well, you guys did it'? what about the holocaust? germany got rid of it's jews, so why can't we ethnically cleanse palestine? is this your logic?

      He makes a distinction between liberation and colonialism that the acts may be the same but the actors are not.

      maybe that's his greatest flaw. it's irrelevant who the actors are if the deeds are morally wrong. ethnic cleansing cannot represent liberation. people have been brainwashed.

    • it is untrue to assert that Shavit doesn’t address this point.

      Well, had you simply copied a little more text in your blockquote you could have included: Even Shavit acknowledges this in his discussion.

      to better understand what alex was saying you'd need to back up alittle bit:

      all we must do is erase the settlements, pull back, and everything will be fine. What this ignores is that expansion is part of Zionism’s raison d’etre..........the state that funds the settlements and provides them with infrastructure. Even Shavit acknowledges this

      the 'this' in 'what this ignores' is "pull back, and everything will be fine". so if you want to refute alex's point here, you need to show is how shavit's didn't ignore the contradiction of expanding and asserting "everything will be fine" once you pullback. iow, you can't pull back and expand at the same time.

  • Both Sides: Anti-BDS concerns on campus vs. life in the occupied territories
    • No can argue that Palestinians in Israel don’t have much much worse problems than American Jews at mainstream universities.....But it is an irrelevant point.

      not really. on american campuses we're being directed to prioritize jewish feelings. why?

      Administrators at most Universities are not going to allow their campuses to become unfriendly places for Jew

      hmm...yeah, we get that. and it's our job not to prioritize your concerns over those of others, like palestinians. we can't protect ethnic cleansing of the judaization of palestine. and it's not the job of "Administrators at most Universities" to protect ethnic nationalism,jewish or otherwise. this is america. we are a civic national country. if that bums you out or makes life 'unfriendly', deal with it. it's not our job to accept kowtowed university administrators, it's out job to confront them and make them uncomfortable when they're wrong .

      shingo You simply want to turn universities into the West Bank.

      and not just universities. they want to privilege a jewish narrative over palestinian narrative everywhere in our country. a mental occupation over palestinians anywhere and everywhere. and it's just not going to work.

  • It's the borders, stupid
    • israel is going on another rampage. link to us5.campaign-archive1.com

      OCHA:

      2 April 2014

      Wave of demolitions in Area C displaces 60 people and affects over 30 others

      On 1 April, the Israeli authorities demolished a total of 32 Palestinian-owned structures in six locations across Area C of the West Bank, on grounds that they lacked building permits. These demolitions displaced 60 people, including 31 children, and undermine the livelihoods of 30 others:

      The affected communities and structures are:
      Humsa al Baqai’a (Tubas): four residential structures, seven animal shelters and pens, two toilets and one kitchen;
      Humsa Basaliya (Tubas): one animal structure;
      Qarzaliya area of Al Jifltik (Jericho): two animal structures;
      Al Ja’wana (Nablus): four residential structures, eight animal shelters and one latrine;
      Bruqin (Salfit): one agricultural room; and
      Haris (Salfit): a shop.

  • Former Israeli general: failed peace talks won't lead to doom
  • In Philly, rightwing Zionists call Dershowitz anti-Semitic for opposing settlements
  • Boteach posts censored videotape of Columbia debate
  • Let Pollard go. But first get answers from Tel Aviv
    • you're cherry picking and taking those words out of context.

      Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles Leeper declared, “The defendant has admitted that he sold Israel a volume of classified materials 10 feet by 6 feet by 6 feet.” Leeper said Pollard provided Israel with thousands of pages, including secret information on the location of American ships and training exercises.

      In Leeper’s view, “The deterrent effect of imposing a severe sentence in a case such as this is absolutely critical. Otherwise you will have supposedly well-intentioned American citizens making judgments about foreign affairs, rationalizing their conduct because it is, after all, an ally they are assisting.”

      wrt " deterrent effect" he's not talking about pollard, he's talking about the next guy down the road who thinks maybe it's not so bad to sell state secrets simply because one might regard israel is our ally. obviously, as an american citizen, there was nothing "well intentioned" about what pollard did.

      you're thwarting the meaning of a US prosecutor who condemned pollard using those very words to make the case in pollard's favor. what chutzpa!

    • ha! first fonda and now snowden. another #FAIL. yeah, it's a right wing thing to throw around traitor “freely and with relish” so loosely as to apply it to a whistleblower or an anti war activist. pollard no whistleblower. get your facts straight.

    • LOL!

    • Taxi really didn’t define the term othsr than to say “icon”

      Golda Meir, Abe Foxman, Peres, Sharon, Ovadia, Benette, Lieberman, Barak, Dayan, Begin, Ayalon, Dersh?

      my 2 examples fit the bill

      played apples and oranges lately?

    • “traitor” .... seems sort of like a right-wing thing to call somebody when it is really thrown around freely and with relish.....What are the politics of the people who are always commenting at Mondoweiss when the subject isn’t Israel?

      oh please! if he is not an example of a traitor there's no meaning to the word!! alleging it is 'right wing' to call him a traitor is insane! just this very morning i read:
      link to haaretz.com

      the suggestion of Pollard's release was met with wall-to-wall opposition in the United States.

      wall-to-wall opposition means it crosses all party lines. are you now going to assert there's wall-to-wall opposition towards israel is the US! it is not right or left wing to be repulsed by traitors. that is the common understanding of what he is.

      link to sabbah.biz

      Urgent Appeal to President Obama: Do Not Cave in to Israel’s Blackmail and Release the Spy Traitor Jonathan Pollard. Do not Dishonor America and Discredit its Security Interests.

      link to triblive.com

      Release spy weasel Jonathan Pollard? Again, no
      Wednesday - April 2, 2014
      By The Tribune-Review

      Jonathan Pollard was a prolific spook and forever will be a traitor. His release as a weak bargaining chip should be off the table and his parole request next year should be denied. The rest of Pollard's days should be spent in prison.

      so is the editorial staff at the Tribune-Review all "rightwing"? plllease
      #hasbaraFAIL

    • neither of them are zionist icons tho, in the sense taxi used the term, politicians, judges or funded by the state. . not political figures. i'm not defending what she said, but you should come up w/better examples.

      heck, we've got eleanor roosevelt, she was no beauty and she's an american icon. it could be in the eyes of the beholder tho. bennett would not seem so gross to me if his mind was in a better place. yair lapid is handsome, he's a better example. obviously there are a lot of gorgeous jewish people. no one could argue there wasn't.

      laura nyro was one of the most beautiful people to ever walk the earth. i just had to say that.

    • No one ever showed that anything Pollard did got anyone killed, certainly not in court.

      that's because it was all sealed.

      Treason, under the US code, is defined as..

      but treason, is defines as: link to merriam-webster.com

      Full Definition of TREASON

      1
      : the betrayal of a trust : treachery
      2
      : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

      don't give me this "US code", that is exactly why i said he was "lucky" because the common understanding of the term treason, completely encapsulates what he did.

      I just see through political partisanship, that’s all.

      you lecturing me about political partisanship??? you'd defend israel tooth and nail. go look at the comments in any comment section on the idea of his release. what a cheap shot! what's next? claiming phil is less partisan than me?

      like i said, addicted to ad hominem, anything to accuse of bias against israel. i can get a word in edgewise without your pathetic cheapshots. grow up.

    • He wasn’t convicted of treason. He was convicted of 18 USC 794(c), “Gathering or delivering defense information to aid foreign government”

      yes i know, that's why i think he was lucky.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

      making the argument his actions did not "help a foreign government seriously injure the US ", passing on that much top secret information to a foreign country, any foreign county, is treason imho.

      this is not the same as a whistle blower whose intent is to reveal information to the public intended to thwart the rupture of our democracy or prevent our government from committing future crimes against others and our own citizens. there is a clear difference.

      I think your animus toward Pollard reflect your animus toward Israel, and I doubt you’d feel this way if, say, he spied on behalf of France.

      you're so predictable in your ad hominems hops. doesn't it get old? and you would be wrong. he had a special clearance job and he was smart. passing on the keys to all our NSA codes, it doesn't matter who they were passed to. that hours and hours of labor to replace and worth billions. you're a fool. you're so intent to defend israel you're willing to throw all logic to the wind to smear anyone. seriously deranged logic.

      i happen to have an aversion to collaborators and american spies who work for other governments. i don't think a person like ames, whose betrayal resulted in the deaths of CIA assets, should ever be released. it has nothing to do w/israel.

    • It’s possible that this whole Pollard episode is an Obama bluff/setup. Pollard was never gonna get released. Obama threw that easy Pollard bait at the zios and they took it pronto – and now, 48 hours after the Pollard-release leak (with White House permission, no doubt), it’s all over: Pollard will stay in jail

      ha! we think alike, and you even mentioned syria. my hunch was that obama/kerry knew abbas was going to make his move and the kerry airplane/canceled meeting was all staged. and, to sweeten the deal they threw in pollard as red meat to capture the press and then BAM, big news of yesterday crushed that. i loved it. if it wasn't staged, well, it was a miracle of timing.

    • i would just like to go on record as saying i don't agree pollard should be set free, ever. he was an adult and should be fully culpable for his actions regardless of how guilty or influential others were in his gross violations. he's lucky he didn't get the death penalty (not that i agree with the death penalty because i do not). but treason is a capital offense for a reason and his actions were highly treasonous. he's no John Walker Lindh. what he did was unconscionable and completely inexcusable.

  • Jewish National Fund lures singles to Israel with tasteless sexual joke in NYT
  • Reports: Abbas faults Israel for 'procrastinating,' says Palestine will move to join int'l organizations
    • if it were a non event israel would not have let all those prisoners go to lure palestine into agreeing not to go to the UN for 9 more months. if it were a none event getting abbas to not go back to the UN would not been part of the proposal for the kerry framework extension.

      anyway, i am glad you think it is a non event, because abbas said he would keep 'negotiating' simultaneously. multi tasking, not quite like israel builds settlements while negotiating,but multi tasking none the less.

    • david, i think this is hasbara. susie sent it to me this morning but there's nothing backing it up except a jpost headline w/no supporting evidence in the text. anti war immediately links to jpost:

      "Report: FIFA threatens to expel Israel over restrictions on Palestinians"

      !!!!! but then you read it and that's not what it says. "According to Inside World Football, FIFA has given Israel until the summer to improve travel and playing conditions for Palestinian soccer players."

      but then you go to inside footbal...

      link to insideworldfootball.com

      there's just nothing new in there. no quotes from fifa threatening expulsion. just a bunch of new quotes from israeli officials trying to get in front of the old news on this. old news:

      FIFA have set up a mediation Task Force and Palestine football's leading figurehead Jibril Rajoub has already met with his Israeli counterpart Avi Luzon and FIFA President Sepp Blatter to try and resolve the long-term issue of access to and from Palestinian territories.

      Blatter, who is due back in the region next month, wants Israel and Palestine to sign a formal co-operation agreement at or around the FIFA Congress in June but Rajoub has implied......[etc etc nada nada nada ]

      it's hype. we reported that a month ago. meanwhile, palestinians are going to be asking for a vote on expelling israel in june. i don't think they mentioned that in these articles.

    • thanks walid, yes there's been a whole dance around this for the last week. but palestinians have been very firm on going back to the UN, i didn't think they were going to delay again. everything i've heard from their spokespeople over the last couple months indicated to me they were heading right there when the deadline was up. but i didn't expect this. it's a great move. finally what a relief.

    • haaratz made a mistake:

      link to haaretz.com

      Abbas said the leadership made its decision after Israel did not commit to releasing a fourth round of prisoners.

      israel was already committed to release the prisoners. that was the deal at the beginning, that palestinians would hold off going to the UN for 9 months for the release of the prisoners and the last batch was supposed to be released on mar 29. abbas said he made the decision when israel didn't follow thru on that commitment.

      actually, as i recall israel switched the original agreement and balked at releasing the prisoners at one time, in sept. they wanted to do it in stages (release the prisoners). so palestinians already deferred once on that. and now they want to use the same prisoners for a second round of talks. ridiculous.

    • fantastic!

  • Pollard was in it for money, and sold so many dox Cap Weinberger wanted the death penalty
  • Not an April Fool's joke: U.S. weighs releasing Pollard to keep Israelis at negotiating table
    • Politico article says Obama believes ...

      i think perhaps you read that wrong. politico says "experienced negotiators say " and then later on it cites Aaron David Miller, so it was probably someone like that or just politico speculating.

      A very weak hail mary pass by Obama-Kerry.

      And there was no 'pass' by Obama-Kerry.'

      Asked about the reports at the White House on Monday, press secretary Jay Carney very noticeably did not say they were false.

      “This is a complicated issue that is being worked through with the parties, and I’m not going to get into details about that,” Carney said. “I don’t have any update on [Pollard’s] situation.”
      Officials at the National Security Council and State Department went no further in denying the reports.
      “Rumors about what may or may not be on the table is certainly not breaking news in terms of these negotiations and is not just new to the last few weeks,” State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said at Monday’s daily press briefing. “So what we’ve said is the discussions are private, they are ongoing.”

      politico could have just as easily written:

      "Asked about the reports at the White House on Monday, press secretary Jay Carney very noticeably did not say they were true."

      they also could have written:

      "Officials at the National Security Council and State Department went no further in confirming the reports."

    • i do not believe this could be true. it's like another love letter to israel. there's nothing compelling here being offered by israel that remotely compares to the palestinians going to the UN and getting this show on the road. nothing.

      i'm ready for sanctions against israel to begin. let israel try bargaining with someone besides the very people they are occupying.

    • oh this is great!

      Israel will freeze most of the construction, except in East Jerusalem, and use restraint [rein in] in publishing building tenders and marketing land to contractors.

      The Palestinians will agree to use restraint [rein in] most unilateral actions at the United Nations.

      or how bout this:

      The Israelis will freeze all construction, including in East Jerusalem, and cease publishing building tenders and marketing land to contractors and agree to extend the negotiations for a year.

      is this a joke:

      Israel will release 400 Palestinian prisoners “who have no blood on their hands,” that only have a few months remaining on their sentences. These prisoners to be released will be determined by Israel

  • Settler seizure of Hebron house signals gov't effort to splinter Palestinian community
  • 'New Yorker' satirist Borowitz won't touch Adelson's Israel agenda with a barge pole
    • how weird. Borowitz:

      After hearing speeches by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and several others who were for sale, Mr. Adelson concluded that none of them are worth owning.

      link to time.com :GOP Hawks Worry Rand Paul Has Too Much Ron

      At the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) meeting in Las Vegas this weekend, Paul was nowhere to be found, but his presence was felt in the form of a straw man — and frequent worry.

      link to cleveland.com

      A weekend of high-stakes politicking in Vegas is about to begin. John Kasich, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie will be there to audition for Sheldon Adelson. Meanwhile Rand Paul is assembling a 2016 team that includes Ohio’s own Rex Elsass.

      rand wasn't in las vegas. satire is loverly, but it should be based on reality.

  • Cutting thru hysteria over divestment, 'Forward' quotes Jews in favor
    • how would you go about allaying her fears?

      that's the whole point, we're supposed to stop the train and assuage all those fearful lil zionists so they can sleep at night safely. it's the endless coddling routine wiht no end in sight. that's what's so precious about the 'i'm afraid of the big bad wolf ' approach. there's no end in sight.....the point of the strategy.

    • I take Ms. Mindel’s fears seriously. ....he felt they talked over Palestinians, he never felt that they didn’t convey a feeling that the Palestinians and their future state didn’t have a right to exist. She... felt that they didn’t even want Israel to exist .......she is fearful is because she clings to a false 2SS narrative which doesn’t exist.... despite the well-known fact that settlement constructions increased rapidly in the immediate aftermath of the Oslo peace process....I can see where she is coming from

      you're really a pushover krauss. don't you think it's a tad of a coincidence the israel project instructed all the students to 'be emotional' and argue from a fear position and ..they all do? these are not children. their family and relatives are not being jailed and abused, and you feel for her? because she is fearful there won't be 2 states? seriously krauss.

      and nothing is stopping these kids from having a 'dialogue' while the school is boycotting these companies. i can't believe you fall for this dialogue thing. they don't just want dialogue, they want ONLY dialogue and no action taken. actually i am quite certain they would be happy with no dialogue if the students for bds would just stfu.

      'i'm afraid bwahhh'.

      didn’t even want Israel to exist as a Jewish state(which is, of course accurate)

      so you're deeming that accurate but if i said Mindel didn’t even want Palestine to exist or didn't really care about 2 states, "which is, of course accurate" you'd be falling all over yourself to say you believe her fears 2 states wouldn't ever come about? i mean seriously krauss why not just prostate yourself in front of her whining allegations. you're a sucker.

    • from the article, i wonder if this is a reflexion of the student body:

      In the ballroom SAFE’s supporters were clearly in the majority. On the back wall, a few students held up a 20-foot-long Palestinian flag, and the room erupted in cheers. Some 100 pro-Israel students were huddled in the back-right corner. In the front, 39 CSG members sat around a square of tables.

      and this again:

      Sophomore Erica Mindel, president of I-LEAD said she was upset because she felt inhibited from expressing her feelings at times.

      then she's not qualified to be president of the organization. this response by rote, repeated endlessly by pro israel student activists is stale.

  • Wait, did a 'Washington Post' columnist just call Netanyahu a bad guy?
    • Jews are different, we are much more political because we understand that we have to. We have a history of vulnerability that American WASPs just haven’t had in the same way, it isn’t in their family DNA.

      zzzzzzzzzzzzz where do you come up w/this stuff? maybe there are other reasons jews are political besides some inherent vulnerability. maybe, like some other people interested in politics, they like power, or.... want to make the world a better place. and y'know, there are jews who are not very political (shocking i know).

    • sean, i read her column (and many comments!) earlier today after a sending phil this article and blockquote at 'reason'. link to reason.com

      The neoconservative columnist Jennifer Rubin has mentioned Paul 143 times between March 1 and March 21 in her blog at The Washington Post. Some of the recent headlines of Rubin’s posts include "Rand Paul’s fake foreign policy" and "Rand Paul is the odd man out of the GOP on foreign policy." Yesterday one of Rubin’s posts was headlined "Rand Paul trashed military option for Iran and blamed the U.S. for WWII."

      and one of the commenters at her article wrote something like...'all she writes about is israel!'

      it's like they've embedded this 'all israel all the time' columnist at WAPO. nuthin' wrong with that i suppose, but is it really beneficial to israel? she's such a freak. lots of gop'ers have had it up to their ears w/israel.

  • Attacks on BDS sharpen as it gains traction in the Jewish community
    • the emperor has no clothes and they are bereft of a counter argument, hence the strategy, originally developed by the reut institute in the aftermath of the mavi marmara is to simply designate supporters of bds as anti semitic via the label deligitimizers.

      2010: link to online.wsj.com

      A recent report by the Reut Institute, a Tel Aviv-based think tank that provides strategic-thinking support to the Israeli government, warned the deligitimization effort "has already gained strategic significance and may evolve into an existential threat." It said that Israel's freedom to act militarily against perceived threats has been limited as a result of the campaign.

      The report criticized Israeli leaders for having "no coherent conceptual response" to push back against global critics. It panned an Israeli security doctrine that military might alone would ensure Israel's defense and has historically considered international opinion to be a peripheral security concern.

      later, this morphed into reut's "big tent-red lines" report. link to reut-institute.org

      Background
      The concepts of 'broad tent' (initially framed as 'open tent') and 'red lines' were created by the Reut Institute in response to our diagnostics of the strategy of the assault on the State of Israel's legitimacy (hereinafter 'delegitimization'), and particularly of the BDS movement. Reut understood that one of the secrets of their success, in spite of their radical anti-Israel views, which deny Israel's right to exist

      basically, it's simply applying the #1 hasbara tool, accusations of anti semitism, to israel's critics. it's intellectually lazy and morally vacuous.

      and it does not surprise me that j street has fallen in line with reut's 'red lines.' they want to be in the tent and they one's those lines were drawn, j street followed the rules and did not cross them. they are not allowed to say apartheid either.

      and look at this, it is not supposed to appear they have fallen in line, it's supposed to appear "grassroots":

      Reut also believes that delineating such red-lines must be a grass-roots community based exercise, and cannot be imposed top-down by the Government of Israel or by Jewish community institutions. There is great value in local communities, synagogues, communal organizations and grassroots organizations grappling with the question, because such red lines are often contextual. Such a debate is essential in order to form an ideologically diverse coalition that will credibly and effectively confront the delegitimization of Israel, and may, in fact, create an opportunity to reconnect across the dividing lines within our communities, and to re-engage with Israel in new ways.

      but reut to came up w/the strategy for the government of israel.

  • Mahmoud Abbas vs Mohammed Dahlan: The showdown begins
    • he was a torturer. link to vanityfair.com

      The video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan’s father is forced to sit and listen to his son’s shrieks of pain. Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. “They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground.” He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: “They shot our knees and feet—five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair.”

      Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

      A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June. Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: “By blood, by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long live Muhammad Dahlan!

      There is no one more hated among Hamas members than Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah’s resident strongman in Gaza. Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas’s national-security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling Hamas. Dahlan insists that abu Dan was tortured without his knowledge, but the video is proof that his followers’ methods can be brutal.

      Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as “a good, solid leader.” In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as “our guy.

    • Abbas and Dahlan represent the only viable path for Palestinians, namely coming to terms with Israel and do so under the auspices of the US and Saudi-Arabia. The alternative of more bloodshed, chaos and destruction has already been tried

      Dahlan represents bloodshed, chaos and destruction, so he cannot be an alternative to that.

    • Dahlan,.... – is unmistakably plotting a comeback.

      this would be a horrendous fate for palestinians. it won't work. he could never rise to power by any kind of democratic means.

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