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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists dance the hora and prepare for end times in Washington DC
    • that's probably because you're (possibly) conceptually only applying one (your) standard of "function" and "thrive". start shifting the variables around. good luck ;/

  • AFSC commemorates one year since attacks on Gaza with beach remembrance
    • i wish i could have been there. beautiful the spinning wheels. it's till so sad. another year and here we are.

  • Why is Wasserman Schultz, Obama's surrogate, holding out on Iran deal?
  • Understanding the Partition plan
    • catalan "bring Israel to its knees" was not my phrasing, it was avnery's which i used metaphorically and i assumed he did too.

      as for you not being a saint, your sleeping patterns, donating to food banks and the homeless, your Epicirean philosophy of 'trying to live well in your personal life' ( and etc et etc more here: link to mondoweiss.net ) i really can't think of anyone who posts on our mondoweiss threads as determined with sharing their personal life with us as much as you. however, i do my best to wade through it and grasp whatever kind of point you're making.

      I feel that I would contribute to the total level of suffering if someone else innocent suffers due to my actions.

      no worries about that, but they are those suffering in the world due to your inactions.

    • and thank you david. there are those who like plans, they think making and sticking to a plan is the best way to go forward. i think of myself as a realist. i don't think in the situation we are in today there's a way to bring the sides together to make a plan. (see moosers comment).

      grabbing something from avnery:

      if not war, then "outside pressure".

      I doubt this, too. The international boycott movement is quite effective, in its way. But it is far, far from being able to compel Israelis to do something that is opposed by every fiber of their being: to give up their sovereignty. The same goes for political pressure. It may hurt Israel, it may isolate it – though I don't believe this is possible in this or the next generation – but this, too, won't be enough to bring Israel to its knees.

      Convince the majority in Israel? One has to be very remote from Israeli reality to believe that this can happen in the foreseeable future. For more than 130 years, now, the core of the Zionist and Israeli raison d'etre has been Israeli (or "Jewish") statehood. Many people have died for it. Every child in Israel is indoctrinated from kindergarten on, through school and the army, to see the state as the highest of all ideals. Give it up voluntarily? Not likely.

      note the will of israelis in his answer. people don't give up something willfully. bds is not going to work because it 'compels' israelis. but it will work. and when it does, then it makes sense to look at plans. because the majority in israel doesn't want a plan. even if it was the perfect plan the bride would be too pretty. because they want everything. it may take another decade or two (i don't think it will). but at some point the international community will boycott israel like we did south africa. many/some people will probably leave israel. but for those who don't their choice will be either to figure out a way to work it out with palestinians or survive in islolation. in todays world i don't think isolation would last very long. there are other ways of forcing a population to it's knees besides war. then, i think the plan part sounds like the next logical step.

    • actually, in light of tokyobk's translation it makes sense to me. it means regardless of the plan, no matter how workable it might be, there are those who will make an effort to find fault with it.

  • Palestinian toddler killed in settler price-tag attack
    • Every Jew outside of Israel must condemn the Jewish state and demand their governments do the same

      Every person must condemn and demand their governments do the same. this is a big problem, it can't be left to the jewish communities to fix it. this is our problem, an american problem. it's all our responsibility.

    • this reminds me of something i read the other day. may seem a little OT

      link to forward.com

      .... Mainstream Jewish community leaders in several countries told the institute that there is an “automatic tendency” for the surrounding non-Jewish society to “view Jews as representatives of the pro-Israel position.”

      This has the direct result — as the institute initially noted last year, the current report points out — of “increasing the frequency and severity of harassment/attacks on Jews in various places around the world.”

      “This insight was particularly emphasized this year in light of the bloody incidents in the Jewish community of France,” the report says. It quotes a Jewish community leader from France saying: “Every time [Israel uses force] synagogues are burned.”

      Curiously, the report avoids the word “anti-Semitism” when describing these attacks as consequences of Israeli actions. No less curious, there’s an earlier chapter in the report, Chapter 8, that’s devoted exclusively to the rise in European anti-Semitism, essentially referring to those same attacks. But Chapter 8 never mentions the testimony by European Jewish leaders in Chapter 9 about a link between Israeli actions and attacks on European Jews. “Anti-Semitism” and “Israeli actions” don’t appear in the same chapter.

      In a way, the reticence is understandable. Drawing a causal link ... between any anti-Semitism and any Jewish behavior, for that matter — is taboo in current Jewish discourse, to the point that suggesting it is itself treated frequently as an anti-Semitic act. It must have been frightening for scholars operating in this environment to stumble across first-hand testimony that the link is real. Even more frightening when they’re preparing to face an Israeli cabinet some of whose ministers view criticism of Israeli military actions as tantamount to treason.

      food for thought.

    • they will make palestinian suffer for this. like palestinians were who suffered after Goldstein killed all those people praying. like they made Mohammed Abu Khdeir's family suffer after he was burnt alive. it will be palestinians who suffer for this .

    • they killed someone else today

    • link to coteret.com

      US tax dollars fund rabbi who sanctioned killing gentile babies and incited torching of Yasuf mosque

      Friday’s (December 11 2009) torching of a mosque in the West Bank village of Yasuf, did not take place in a vacuum. The “price tag” terror tactic has been public knowledge for more than two years. Rabbis publicly sanction and encourage these attacks.

      The Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar is a notable example. Its head, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg, is the author of Baruch Hagever, an ode to Cave of Patriarchs murderer Baruch Goldstein. In early November the yeshiva’s dean, Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, published the “Handbook for the Killing of Gentiles.” On December 4 he published an article with specific instructions for terror activities in response to the “settlement freeze.”

      Investigative reporting by Haaretz has been following the funding sources behind the yeshiva. On November 17, it exposed generous financial support from the Israeli government. This morning (December 15 2009,) it uncovers US federal tax exemptions for its American donors and slams the US administration for sanctioning this practice.

      Below is a key excerpt. An annotated full text of the report is provided after the jump. The original yeshiva report to the Israeli Registrar of Associations can be downloaded here. Mondoweiss’s investigative reporting on the Central Fund of Israel can be read here.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      This is the same yeshiva whose rabbi said it is permissible to kill gentile babies because of “the future danger that will arise if they are allowed to grow into evil people like their parents.” In his latest book, the head of the yeshiva, Yitzhak Shapira, who bears the honorable title of rabbi, even permits killing anyone “who, through his remarks and so forth, weakens our kingdom” (Obama, beware!)…According to the fund’s latest financial statement, it gave some $8 million to religious organizations in 2006, earmarked for establishing synagogues and schools, aiding the needy and “urgent security needs.”…So the next time the White House spokesman condemns the torching of a mosque near Nablus, some reporter ought to ask him why respectable American citizens contribute to the Od Yosef Chai Shechem yeshiva, one of whose leading rabbis wrote the following incendiary words of incitement: “[Civil] Administration inspectors have not dared to enter Yitzhar since the freeze edict. Their experience with Yitzhar, and its heat, are responsible for the fact that every entry into the settlement by hostile elements requires large forces and ends with extensive damage to army and police equipment, even greater damage to Arab persons and property, and a region that continues to burn in every direction for several days” (Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, Hakol Hayehudi, December 4, 2009).

      A-G: 'Torat Hamelech' authors will not be indicted
      link to jpost.com

      Investigations against rabbis who approve book also to be closed; Weinstein: Not enough evidence of intention to incite.

      Weinstein wrote that Torat Hamelech is written in a general manner and does not call for violence.

      According to Weinstein, works pertaining to rulings on religious law or publications of religious sources should not be dealt with in criminal proceedings in order to preserve freedom of religion.

      In addition, Weinstein said that it was hard to assert that the book permits individuals to act, rather than a ruling authority.

      In addition to the attorney-general’s investigation, a petition against Shapira and Elitzur was brought to the High Court of Justice by the Reform Movement in Israel and other pluralistic Jewish groups several weeks ago. The groups demanded the Attorney-General’s Office and the justice minister explain why the rabbis had not been indicted for racial incitement.

      According to the petition, the book “explicitly claims that the life of a Jew is worth more than the life of a non-Jew, and permits the killing of innocent people including children.”

      Director of the Reform Movement in Israel Rabbi Gilad Kariv said that closure of the case sends a message that “racial incitement is permitted in Israel and bears no price.”

    • yes, definitely sick. when they write "remember that the war is over Judaism" they mean it. let's really hope they don't win that war either.

    • from the article: israeli teens:

      In an alarming trend, only 28% of Jewish respondents said they condemned so-called price tag attacks associated with religious, far-right Jewish groups, with students from a traditional home surprisingly more likely to decry those attacks than their secular peers.

      and can you spot the deception here:

      While 76% of secular Israelis were willing to live in the same apartment building as Arabs, only 37% of religious Jews and 11% of ultra-Orthodox teens said the same. Sixty-eight percent of Arab adolescents said they were willing to have Jewish neighbors.

      they try to suggest a false equivalence. 76% vs 68%. first of all, note how in one they use numbers (76) and another letters so it blends (Sixty-eight). but more interestingly, they never mention how many israeli jewish teens are secular. therefore, the 78% is a meaningless figure when compared to 68% of "arab adolescents". the upshot is one side is almost 70% non racists wrt who their neighbors are. the other -- not so much.

    • a culture of hate funded and incentivized by the Israeli government

      it's absolutely true. link to haaretz.com

      check the date dec 13 2009 (compare that to the announcement of the price tag attacks report by didi remez dec 6 2009)

      Palestinians: National priority map is blueprint for settlement expansion

      Israel okays plan to pump funds into settlements; Barak: New funds will fall into hands of extremists.

      ...... The cabinet approved on Sunday the controversial plan - which will pump millions of shekels into West Bank settlements - after Netanyahu decided to review the list of communities for which funds were earmarked.

      All of the ministers from the Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas parties voted in favor, following a five-hour debate on the matter at the weekly cabinet meeting; Labor's five ministers opposed.

      Defense Minister Ehud Barak, the Labor chairman, attacked the plan during the discussion, warning that some of the money would end up in the hands of right-wing extremists.

      "I don't think that we need to award them a prize in the form of including them in the national priority map," said Barak, referring to the plan.

      The defense minister cited the desecration of a West Bank mosqueon Friday as an example of the rightists' activity.

      He added that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's map of communities slated to receive state funds included a disproportional number of settlements.

      The left-wing Meretz faction submitted a motion of no-confidence in response to the plan.

      Netanyahu's decision to review the move appeared to be a compromise on the matter. The plan sparked a barrage of criticism since the premier decided to implement the move despite a freeze on new construction in the territories.

      The Labor ministers said Netanyahu had agreed to hold a cabinet discussion on the plan and to form a panel to examine which communities should be included.

      At the start of Sunday's cabinet meeting, Netanyahu said: "The government wants to provide an answer to those who carry on a daily basis the economic and security burden."

      the settlers carry a security burden!!!! fanatical yeshivas get rewarded by being included in the "National priority map"!!

      that's only part of the article. this is BEFORE the knesset was jammed packed with settler fanaticals.

    • isn't it amazing how awesome the shin bet is when it comes to tracking down -- literally hunting -- palestinians (often killing them right on the spot but if not -- an amazingly impressive 99% conviction rate) but the same group of brilliant investigators can't seem to find these jewish terrorists after years and years! i find it truly astounding, especially considering the leaders are out in the open. why, check out this wedding here: link to mondoweiss.net

      that knife dance video is illuminating isn't it? their leaders and rabbis are all there. now, if these were palestinians do any of us for one minute think it would be baffling the shin bet for sooo long how to find these guys? and then when they do find them what do they do? maybe jail a couple of them for a month or so, or heaven forbid ban them from entering the WB for 6 month. uuu scary punishment.

      even bradley burston, a few years ago when i heard him speak, i asked him about them and he said they were just kids, the hilltop youth is what they call them.

    • i agree, it's not true that it’s not being covered -- now.

      btw, you can view the articles coming in by googling news "by date" (timestamp)

      link to news.google.com

      my observation is, after years of doing this, often msm won't report certain stories until after government officials have weighed in.

    • it may not have been false wrt the nyt when she wrote it. i got this off google, just now:
      link to news.google.com

      Jewish Arsonists Suspected in West Bank Attack That Killed Palestinian Toddler
      New York Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
      Officials and neighbors identified the dead child as 18-month old Ali Saad Dawabsheh, and said his parents, Saad, 32, and Riham, a 27-year-old mathematics teacher, were being treated in Israeli hospitals along with their other son, Ahmad. Witnesses ...

      ...

      Attack in West Bank Kills Palestinian Child
      Wall Street Journal - ‎1 hour ago‎
      JERUSALEM—Suspected Jewish extremists fire-bombed two homes in a West Bank village early Friday morning, in attack that left a toddler dead and spurred the Israeli army to deploy fresh forces to the Palestinian territory ahead of possible unrest.

      Palestinian toddler killed in West Bank; Jewish arsonists suspected
      Reuters - ‎4 hours ago‎
      The child's parents and four-year-old brother were flown by helicopter to an Israeli hospital where they were said to be in serious condition, officials said. A second house in the village was also set ablaze, but no one was at home. It was the worst ...

      'Extremist Israeli' attack: Photographs emerge of Palestinian toddler killed ...
      The Independent - ‎4 hours ago‎
      Israel's defence minister confirmed the family had been taken to a hospital in nearby Nablus, but that they would be transferred to Israeli hospitals. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the “terror attack.” He told the Jerusalem Post ...

      whereas, i posted it here from haaretz 9 hours ago: link to mondoweiss.net

      sometimes it takes a little time for the search engines to pick up stories.

    • “This is not a Jewish act,” Mr. Magal said.

      for people's edification, especially people new to i/p over the last 5 years, this is from didi remez dec 6 2009 when the settlers first announced the price tag attacks. there is a lot more at the link.

      link to coteret.com

      Below is a translated excerpt from the Rabbi’s article (original document is here.) It’s a must read. Note the announcement of a revival meeting tonight at the Yeshiva with the notorious Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, and the pride expressed at their success in maintaining a de facto autonomy in Yitzhar. Probably not coincidentally, Police reported this morning that settlers had torched a house and two vehicles in the nearby village of Ain Abous. At this rate, that will be remembered as a very minor incident.

      (the following excerpt is the exact replica at the link. all bold, italics and notations"[..]" contained in the blockquote are from the original)

      [Excerpt from “The Mutual Guarantee [Arvut Hadadit] Strategy”, by Rabbi Yosef Elitzur]

      […]

      Liberation of the mind leads to liberation of action, and the more liberated the mind the greater reverberation small acts have and the greater their results (at a relatively low price). We offer a few possible courses of action:

      “Mutual guarantee” [Arvut Hadadit] — acts of mutual guarantee coordinated between members of all the settlements take the air out of the government’s dreams. First of all we are all together and there is no “divide and conquer.” Second of all, we decide on the timing and don’t wait for a large police force and inspectors to bash us in the head and arrest and beat us. We have power too and we will use it at the time and place of our choice. Thirdly, we remember that the war is over Judaism, and the main enemies are the Gentiles in our country who are trying to conquer it and confusing the minds of crooked Jews who are far from the Torah. We do not discriminate: if the Jews don’t have quiet, the Arabs won’t have quiet. If the Arabs win because of violence against Jews, the Jews will win by violence against Arabs [emphasis mine]. Of course all of that leads to graceful activities with lots of joy: we can use the power of the women, children and older people to block a certain access road, and at the same time take firmer action against hostile elements further down the same road; we can carry out quiet and deep operations simultaneously with widespread acts of disorder in the sector, and so on.

      Don’t forget that a multitude of such operations and warming up the public will put us in a state of high readiness. To this day administration inspectors have not managed to enter Yitzhar since the freeze decree. That is because the experience and the heat at Yitzhar make every entrance by hostile elements require large forces and end with much damage to IDF and police property, even more damage to Arab property and persons, and a sector burning on all sides for a few days [emphasis mine]. When in every settlement a police patrol car becomes an unwanted presence, and administration inspectors understand they have 10 minutes to run away before their tires are punctured, the government’s ability to enforce its decrees will drop sharply.

      […]

      On the 19th day of Kislev [December 6], the day of redemption of the Old Master who withstood the denouncement and persecution of Jewish brothers, we will meet at the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva for a conference with our teacher Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg. Those who wish to be warmed and to meet many Jews from all walks of the Jewish public who are partners in strengthening Jews in the holy land are joyously welcome! [emphasis in original]

      and if you scroll there is a timeline: (my bold)

      November 16, 2009 — Avrum Burg on how this kind of Judaism inspires murder: “”Just go to a synagogue on Sabbath eve. Go in and pick up the weekly Parasha [Torah portion] commentary pages, read them and you will see that Teitel is not alone. Teitel is just one of an entire plantation of bad weed. Some of those pages are actually financed by the state, through the Ministry of Religious Affairs. The racist lore, as taught by the rabbis of Hebron and Bet El, is everywhere. In the end, someone gets up and does the deed. We tend to ignore this, but horrible things happen there. It is in the air. I know those people. Some of them are my relatives. They do terrible things and we fail to notice.”
      November 19, 2009 — Haaretz’s Akiva Eldar, based on Yesh Din data, reveals that the Rabbi’s Yeshiva is funded by the Israeli government.
      December 6 2009 — Rabbi Elitzur and Ode Yosef Hai Yeshiva lead preparations for terrorizing West Bank Palestinians.
      December 15 2009 — Haaretz uncovers US federal tax exemptions for American charities funding the rabbi.

      to the murderers carrying out these attacks, and their leaders, it is very much a "jewish" act.

  • Leading American writer Abulhawa is denied entry to Palestine
  • Pelosi says Iran deal has the votes, and Podhoretz urges Israel to attack Iran
    • i think perhaps i misunderstood your meaning atlanta because i don't regard almost any msm as "progressive". i would agree most all msm starts from a premise of a neocon or neoliberal viewpoint (including npr of course which i, personally, don't consider progressive) and occasionally a pundit or host may interject non neocon/neoliberal framing. but that's not usually the case.

    • too many progressives and NPR media types are constantly framing conflict in the ME with a neo con or neo liberal frame.

      really? do tell.

  • MSM avoids central Pollard question: Did Israel trade secrets to Soviets for emigres?
  • Cruz says Iran could set off Electro Magnetic Pulse over east coast, killing 10s of millions
    • i can't stop laughing. so which gop prez candidate is going to top this to get adelson $ and how's he gonna do it! to think with grinch is was just 'there are no palestinians' -- we've come a long way baby!

  • Sheldon Adelson bankrolls NBA player trip to Israel to fight BDS
    • Focusing on the side issue of racism within the police brutality is a distraction from the main problem of police brutality itself. Police brutality is a general problem, which affects people of ALL races, including 50% whites.

      willful ignorance is no excuse.

    • Palestinians ? Go for it !

      remember that noose on Gopstein's facebook page? link to mondoweiss.net

    • i sooo thought of that edwardm. just a coincidence they'd be splashing around w/mud on them? not on your life.

    • A hero like Muhammad Ali being a great historical example for athletes of conscious today to follow and emulate.

      speaking of zirin, i recommend: Serena Williams Is Today’s Muhammad Ali link to thenation.com

    • the question is how often does that happen?

      my suspicion is this is one of the first effects we're seeing of the vegas summit. expect a lot more of this kind of thing and more. i think it's a indication we'll see more individuals approached to be emissaries for the state to organize these gambits. but that's probably just one aspect of everything they've cooked up.

    • zirin is the best

  • Congressional support for Iran deal solidifies-- and Cory Booker pushes back against friendship ultimatums
    • What will Iraq look like if Iran has its way?

      and what does Iraq look like after 10 years of the US/IS having it's way? isis. choose your medicine yonah.

  • Israeli forces kill third Palestinian in less than a week
  • Morgan Freeman, Valerie Plame and Queen Noor say Iran deal will prevent nuclear war that will melt Jack Black's frisbee
    • “like Toast, man” I’m interpreting you felt that was really stupid.

      i merely said i was 'reminded of' those viewers who spend their time watching youtube's latest happening thang. thinking if we could get them to notice or care -- and i do think that's a jack black sorta crowd. not necessarily stupid in the least just -- otherwise engaed.

      and actually i never heard of Nicki Minaj until yesterday. (i heard obama created a twitter site for the @irandeal and headed off on a search to find it on a site about trending stories and sure enough he was buried between taylor swift and the minaj's cat fight ( already past tense/make up phase ) so naturally i had to read what they were fighting about and who this minaj character was. how could i have not heard of someone with 1/2 billion hits? easily, that's how. and katy perry weighed in too. of course, i have already heard of perry and swift) i didn't think it was stupid, i thought he feigned sort of .. don't really know the word for it. but toast is a generational phrase so it signaled (the targeted) viewers it was -- cool.

      yes we are the last at the bar. very sad day indeed.

    • tch, i think keith, frankie and marnie would like the video to be for us. but we don't need a video. it's not that most americans are stupid, it's that they don't follow the news. so they are going to hear the loudest voices -- and the lobby knows that which is why they make these screaming blatant dumbed down lying fear statements.

      when i look at this video ('like..toast man') i am reminded of the 1/2 billion hits on Nicki Minaj's Anaconda video. think if we could activate the people who'd rather listen to miley? (wrecking ball is up to over 3/4 billion views). those numbers add up and they are not all 13 yr olds nor are they stupid. do i care if it's a dumbed-down plea that puts a millimeter-thin layer of sugar icing on a meter-thick cake made of dog-doo. not really! and how many people are informed enough for this to make sense? it reinforces the propaganda meme that the problem is Iran’s nuclear program rather than a soft-power assault on a regime not yet an imperial vassal.

      hello! we don't have time to give the american public a crash course in strategic geopolitical warfare in the ME! we just need these 570,336,466 people to get off their collective butts and pick up the phone instead of watching this for 3 minutes:

    • tch, just one caveat Most Americans don’t even know Israel has nukes.

      most americans know israel has nukes. there was a recent google poll confirming this.

    • think again bornjoo. rapprochement with iran is extremely valuable to US interests and will inevitably "damage the Zionist enterprise" anyway, sans landing us on the brink of WW3.

  • 'This is our Israel, this is for the Jews. No Palestinian should come to Israel': A Palestinian-American's story of being detained at Ben Gurion airport
  • In wake of January attacks, French Muslims have been demonized in manufactured 'clash of civilizations'
    • Nonsubstantiation is one of the basic religious principles of Zionism.

      i guess he's not going to even acknowledge the 60 attacks in one week i mentioned. it's hard to tell what he's thinking -- 83% is relative. considering all the death last summer, i'm surprised attacks didn't double. but since i don't know what constitutes an attack it's hard to gauge what he's referring too. either way it's a bummer.

    • All this hype about Muslims facing a 28% increase in Islamophobic incidents, while on the other hand Jews in France have seen a shocking 84% rise in anti-semitic attacks since 2014. -

      mayhem, do you happen to have a list of those attacks or what the numbers are specifically? because percentages are relative. for example, if last year there were 30 attacks in the 1st quarter of the year and this year's 1st quarter there were 60, that would be a shocking 100% increase, would it not? whereas:

      link to independent.co.uk

      Twenty-six mosques around France have been subject to attack by firebombs, gunfire, pig heads, and grenades as Muslims are targeted with violence in the wake of the Paris attacks.

      France’s National Observatory Against Islamophobia reports that since last Wednesday a total of 60 Islamophobic incidents have been recorded, with countless minor encounters believed to have gone unreported.

      Amongst the incidents, a mosque in Le Mans was hit with four grenades, and gunfire directed through one of its windows.

      While Islamophobic incidents are nothing new....

      if islamophobic attacks are nothing new, 60 attacks in a week could (although i seriously doubt) represent a decreased percentage from the year before. so muslims facing a 28% increase is not "hype" if the attacks come at an alarming rate on a regular basis. it's all relative, just saying. any attack is horrible but pitting these "increase" percentages against each other sans any relativity of the numbers of attacks is an exercise in futility.

    • ;) thank you qualtrough, my pleasure.

    • too primitive? please elaborate.

    • You can’t have a liberal democracy if a majority of the public thinks that making fun of a religion gets the death penalty.

      You can’t have a liberal democracy in an apartheid state either. especially where the justice minister advocates genocide.

    • what really offends me about caricatures of the Prophet is not their existence per se, but how vicious and racist they usually are.

      it goes beyond that. it's the gross sexualizing. as an example, think of all the graphic mockups of scarlett johansson during the soda stream/super bowl fiasco. an A for apartheid on her head, using photos from oxfam and soda stream and placing mocking words coming from her mouth. but what if activists artists had her on her knees prostrate with her bosoms hanging down or squished against the cement with cameras aimed up her overtly hairy ass? would they have been roundly condemned for creating images like this, or us for publishing them? of course. so, it's not merely vicious and racist. it's obviously aimed to incite. the images are completely gross and sexualized.

    • " “obliviousness” are those in the middle” was kinda weak by itself,

      i said that only quoting max wrt “obliviousness”. sorry it didn't meet your standards.

      That’s all we do, disclaim endorsement of attacks

      that's definitely not all max did. and wrt

      an implicit question which MB ignores

      he didn't ignore it. you just were not satisfied with his response. and your 1,2,3 ignored his response.

    • “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

      as an exercise, got any hate speech targeting white soccer moms?

    • wasn’t too convinced there existed any population who “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

      really? because i can state categorically i've never experienced a public media meme/display of hate speech wielded against .. me. not once did i ever fear (except in my wildest dreams) being rounded up and incarcerated for my beliefs. i am not subject to DWB, no one is hunting me down because of my religious (or non religious) affiliations. no one is telling me i can't appear in public dressed as who i am. no one is spitting on me because i wear something on my head or covering my hair. it's just not my reality. because i'm (just) white. i can fantasize but i don't really have any idea what it is to live w/discrimination 24/7. sitting at a bus stop being stared at w/suspicion... really not my reality.

    • “people who are kind of progressive…but who were out marching”, is that the question is really about false consciousness.

      no, he addresses false consciousness (references it as "obliviousness"). he says they are segment of population who "never experienced speech being wielded against them in a hateful derogatory was to demonize them collectively as a group..."(9:05).

      so that's very much about 'false consciousness'.

      it also addresses your observation why people who are otherwise informed about global events, and who “should know better,” get sucked into government propaganda and French government narratives that are full of internal inconsistencies in the first place.

      this is why both jews and muslims are both, or have both been, subject to this kind of isolation and discrimination and "incitement" as minorities.( did you watch the vimeo? as i recall it is the woman speaking around 45 (or perhaps 35) minutes in) whereas the people who literally don't notice this discrimination in french society, which he called "obliviousness" are those in the middle.

      watch it again, both videos. i believe you're mistaken. he addresses it w/paul jay and he really addresses it in the vimeo.

    • there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.

      but is it worth it if the 'west' advanced itself on the backs of others? if they genocided millions to get where they are today? how far would you go to support that "enlightenment and sophistication"? would you offer up your child for experimentation or annihilation for the advancement of western culture?

    • just, if you've any chance to watch the vimeo ..it is fantastic. mental notes 27 min (incredible), 35 and 45. i would definitely watch everything past 27 min if you're crunched for time. the interviewees are magnificent must see! vimeo is challenging for me .. i have to keep waiting. but it's so worth it on this film.

    • for your review: link to mondoweiss.net

      6. No trolling. Wikipedia defines trolling as “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.” That definition is good enough for us. We hope our comment section can feature an engaged and free flowing debate, but we are not interested in commenters whose only aim is to disrupt or sabotage the discussion.

      a top comment cannot, by definition, be in response to a conversation that has yet to take place. it's held to a different standard than a comment responding to another commenter. it should relate to the information in the article. if you think it's 'sneaky' to grab top comment without remotely having engaged the info in the article, i can be sneaky too, that's all i meant. ;) scroll up to the top of the thread.

      Would you prefer that no Zionists comment on this page?

      please don't race for top comment w/an inflammatory post before even making an attempt to engage the article. thanks ;) i'm glad we've had a chance to have this conversation.

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