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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Netanyahu will lobby American Jews on deal, calling on alleged loyalty to Jewish state
  • AIPAC taking all but 3 freshmen Congresspeople to Israel in effort to sabotage Iran deal
    • yes i think he is in moscow now.

    • thank you both. yes i read meshaal was meeting w/russian foreign minister. this is the ideal time since obama has 17 more months and hopefully neither him or kerry will dedicate the energy to combat this. but even if they do if it goes to the general assembly it will pass overwhelmingly i am sure. abbas seems to drag everything out for forever. would israel do something radical like assassinate him if this goes thru? no matter, if they do as long as the process continues. international troops. omg please..something please.

    • "a protectorate over Palestine"? a UN protectorate?

    • that sounds promising abierno! do you have any links? even in arabic would be fine.

    • so gross.

  • The two-state pipedream: Israel will move 100s of 1000s of settlers
    • a ‘pacifier-and-diaper’ underground

    • ah the tiny fringe argument. uh huh. i just listened to Max livestreaming from glasgow earlier today.

      he made the point that these terror attacks serve to legitimize the rightwing in israel thereby pushing society more to the right.

      portions of the right come out and denounce the attacks which makes them seem sympathetic, but the government doesn't do anything to alleviate the situation so it just gets worse. meanwhile, israelis can pat themselves on the back for all the nice words they use.

  • Mother of Palestinian baby burned to death tried to save her child
  • Understanding the Partition plan
    • the whole area could be subject to mortars, Israeli style, from anywhere across the Green line – altogether, having the potential to disrupt life completely in the west bank and Gaza. That`s the story in a nutshell.

    • catalan "bring Israel to its knees" was not my phrasing, it was avnery's which i used metaphorically and i assumed he did too.

      as for you not being a saint, your sleeping patterns, donating to food banks and the homeless, your Epicirean philosophy of 'trying to live well in your personal life' ( and etc et etc more here: link to mondoweiss.net ) i really can't think of anyone who posts on our mondoweiss threads as determined with sharing their personal life with us as much as you. however, i do my best to wade through it and grasp whatever kind of point you're making.

      I feel that I would contribute to the total level of suffering if someone else innocent suffers due to my actions.

      no worries about that, but they are those suffering in the world due to your inactions.

    • and thank you david. there are those who like plans, they think making and sticking to a plan is the best way to go forward. i think of myself as a realist. i don't think in the situation we are in today there's a way to bring the sides together to make a plan. (see moosers comment).

      grabbing something from avnery:

      if not war, then "outside pressure".

      I doubt this, too. The international boycott movement is quite effective, in its way. But it is far, far from being able to compel Israelis to do something that is opposed by every fiber of their being: to give up their sovereignty. The same goes for political pressure. It may hurt Israel, it may isolate it – though I don't believe this is possible in this or the next generation – but this, too, won't be enough to bring Israel to its knees.

      Convince the majority in Israel? One has to be very remote from Israeli reality to believe that this can happen in the foreseeable future. For more than 130 years, now, the core of the Zionist and Israeli raison d'etre has been Israeli (or "Jewish") statehood. Many people have died for it. Every child in Israel is indoctrinated from kindergarten on, through school and the army, to see the state as the highest of all ideals. Give it up voluntarily? Not likely.

      note the will of israelis in his answer. people don't give up something willfully. bds is not going to work because it 'compels' israelis. but it will work. and when it does, then it makes sense to look at plans. because the majority in israel doesn't want a plan. even if it was the perfect plan the bride would be too pretty. because they want everything. it may take another decade or two (i don't think it will). but at some point the international community will boycott israel like we did south africa. many/some people will probably leave israel. but for those who don't their choice will be either to figure out a way to work it out with palestinians or survive in islolation. in todays world i don't think isolation would last very long. there are other ways of forcing a population to it's knees besides war. then, i think the plan part sounds like the next logical step.

    • actually, in light of tokyobk's translation it makes sense to me. it means regardless of the plan, no matter how workable it might be, there are those who will make an effort to find fault with it.

  • The burning of a Palestinian child: not an exception, but a result of Zionism
    • you might be misinformed about the definition of 'diktat' - wrt the UN. it means "without popular consent." in the international community what doesn't have popular consent is israel's occupation over palestine and their continued expansion. compared to israelis who support that, we're talking billions compared to a puny few million. and how hypocritical using that term about a country who has imposed rule by diktat over 1/2 the population they govern for over a 1/2 century. seriously yonah, get a grip.

    • that's an improvement of sorts. why baker?

      obama could not use his veto at the UN. i guess that could be a form of 'non reaction' which might do some good..

    • If I were president Obama how would i react to this? I wouldn’t. I would realize that the Palestinian versus Zionist struggle is not going to be solved in the next 17 months and right now my plate is filled with Iran.

      and so everyone should just push it all down the road because it's just such a mess. how helpful yonah! it sort of negates those things you said when you end it all with .. let's just do nothing about it!

    • no i didn't -- but i can believe it.

    • i've been reading it on twitter too. it's true! and from the blacklivesmatter movement 'people care more about the death of an african lion than the death of an african american'.

  • Did the BBC cover up the anti-Semitism of Gaza's children?
    • ;) i'm having one of those days.

    • well, don't look to forward on it -- if i even finish it. it's not that exciting, just the usual 'this happened' big lump of salt and -- timing people! yes, of course i thought of ivri's whispering spirits*.

      *oh maybe like a listserve that goes out to 100's of thousands telling them to tweet and share this garbage heavily. it was on several jewish sites when i googled it for news this morn at about 5 am. sheesh!

    • just, taheri is a freak (he fabricates stories). just google his name in wiki. and he's the europe chairman of the neocon gatestone institute, so they fund him. actually, i wrote about this earlier today before realizing we were not publishing today and before haartz covered it. haaretz had the decency to mention taheri, unlike jpost who just reported it as news.

      the nation article says this about him ""with a rap sheet that leaves one amazed that he continues to be published.""

    • Let’s add one more thing

      let's not. let's not push the envelope right off the cliff.

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    • just, my first instinct (in rejection) when i read the title and the opening of the article was 'the bbc did not change jews to israelis to protect palestinians, they did it to protect jews'. jews don't like reading or hearing the term jew relating to massacre or bad things. period. so, to tell the story they changed it for their own protection/sensibility -- not to protect the children.

      as the author states

      To Jewish ears, mine included, the pejorative use of the word “Jews” conjures up enough historical baggage to fill the reclaim hall at Ben Gurion airport.

      and i think the author's own logic supports this idea although he never comes out and expresses it as such.

      and really, what difference does it make if children getting bombed to smithereens and watching their family members die left and right call those bombing them 'jews'. so what? as the author states

      The upshot of all this is that the Jewish Chronicle has its news priorities seriously skewed along with its ethics.

      If the JC really cared about the Jewish future and the safety of the State of Israel it would be calling for Israel to ditch the demonising rhetoric, open the borders to reconstruction in Gaza and start talking to Hamas.

      - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      and shame on the bbc to pandering to the sensitivities of jews by mistranslating the childrens words.

      all jews, instead of so many continually playing the victim card, need to grasp that the actions of israel is the direct cause of a LOT of anti semitism in the world. quit scapegoating others for the end results of those actions. as i pointed out here (3rd time in the last few days) link to mondoweiss.net

      the report avoids the word “anti-Semitism” when describing these attacks as consequences of Israeli actions. No less curious, there’s an earlier chapter in the report, Chapter 8, that’s devoted exclusively to the rise in European anti-Semitism, essentially referring to those same attacks. But Chapter 8 never mentions the testimony by European Jewish leaders in Chapter 9 about a link between Israeli actions and attacks on European Jews. “Anti-Semitism” and “Israeli actions” don’t appear in the same chapter.

      In a way, the reticence is understandable. Drawing a causal link … between any anti-Semitism and any Jewish behavior, for that matter — is taboo in current Jewish discourse, to the point that suggesting it is itself treated frequently as an anti-Semitic act. It must have been frightening for scholars operating in this environment to stumble across first-hand testimony that the link is real.

      from How Israeli Wars Hurt Diaspora Jews:
      link to forward.com

    • i'll never forget being surrounded by schoolchildren in gaza when a boy about 7 or 8 lifted his shirt and showed me a big diagonal scar across his stomach. he pointed at it and said "jew". i winced, but knew he was telling me the truth. it was a jew who did that to him.

  • The normal horrors
    • agreed sq debris

    • yonah, i recommend you read "The extremism of the center in Israel" link to mondoweiss.net

      Usually, considered in geometrical terms, the center of a circle or the midpoint of a line is the relative standard against which to measure the extremes. However, when the center itself is extreme and extremist, as in present-day Israel, such geometrical logic no longer works. More specifically, the exception is no longer an outlier in relation to the general rule; rather, the general rule itself is exceptional and deranged.

      Since its foundation, the State of Israel has understood itself as an exception, be it in geopolitical, historical, or even moral terms. It has been presented as the only “Jewish State” in the world, the only democracy in the Middle East, the only state created as a refuge place from the horrors of World War II… Hence, the paradox: a presumed democracy, reliant on the rule of law that is applicable in equal measure to all its citizens, it persists in a state of exception, wherein this same rule of law is indefinitely suspended, denied its Arab citizens, curtailed by Judaic religious authorities, and so forth.

      Now, because Israel routinely sacrifices democratic law to “exceptional” decrees, justified primarily with reference to security concerns and the Jewish character of the polity, it is constitutively unable to comply with international law (which, to be sure, has its undeniable flaws), either. Its extremist position on the international stage is intimately bound to its internal extremism—a constant state of emergency, sustained above all (but not only) by the ongoing occupation of Palestine, that trumps legality.

      Although it may appear that the current extremist Israeli government is an outlier or an aberration, it is nothing but an exaggerated version of the tendency that began already in 1948. Netanyahu only built upon the anti-democratic and downright criminal exceptionalism that his country had espoused since its inception.

  • US gov't has 'faith in the system' that Israel will prosecute killers of Palestinian child-- why?
    • i agree. succumbing to letting zionism define jewishness or judaism only reinforces antisemitism/bigotry. how can a person expect a non jew to separate the racist actions of zionists from the idea of it representing all jews if a jew can't do it.

      vera, you need to be who you are and be proud of who you are. for it was your background (all of our backgrounds) who turned us into the people we are today. that one has the ability to know right from wrong is a reflection of that background. rise up that which is good -- do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

      and for heaven's sakes don't hate, don't even speak of it -- it only curses those whose hearts are contaminated by it.

  • The extremism of the center in Israel
    • one more thing don, for your edification. note the authors usage of the term "aberration" in the article above. and this:

      Usually, considered in geometrical terms, the center of a circle or the midpoint of a line is the relative standard against which to measure the extremes. However, when the center itself is extreme and extremist, as in present-day Israel, such geometrical logic no longer works. More specifically, the exception is no longer an outlier in relation to the general rule; rather, the general rule itself is exceptional and deranged.

      when considering this paragraph note the author did not claim this "geometrical logic" not working was exclusive to israel or jews. nor did the author claim is wasn't. the reason likely being because it's besides the point made in the article. also note the term "usually". usual only means "what is usual" it does not mean in all other circumstances.

    • do you ever scan or read newspapers, Annie?

      on occasion since it's part of my job. here's some evidence, a thousand articles or so. the vast majority have embeds and blockquotes: link to mondoweiss.net

      that link only reflects the articles i've read that i've written about. i also send a lot of tips to phil. and, oddly enough, i don't happen to write articles about every circumstance i read about. but what about you don, any evidence you've ever scanned or read the news? other than your analysis, if one could call it that.

      the author states that these acts of violence could not have occurred without a “climate of hatred”. This is obviously not true. Human violence can occur any time and in any place

      nowhere did the author claim all acts of human violence stem from hatred. i'd suggest, when scanning or reading the news, to pay particular attention to the headline (for context link to merriam-webster.com ). the headline of this article The extremism of the center in Israel informs us right off the bat the context is --- where? note the headline does not make reference to all human violence?

      let's move on. note the first sentence

      "This Thursday was a day of terror in Israel."

      the words "terror in israel" also informs us of context. note is doesn't say 'terror in the world' or "Human violence" occurring "any time and in any place".

      Let me give you another example. imagine 2 houses side by side. in one the father beats the wife repeatedly throughout the day and night. their son, a 12 year old boy plunges a knife into the father as he is sleeping. one could argue he was raised in a "climate of hatred" and that this act of human violence was incited by his father. in the other house the parents bring home a new baby. one day the 3 year old toddler, expressing signs of jealously, in a fit of rage slaps the baby.

      you see? both acts of human violence but only one a result of a "climate of hatred".

      now, you come along and claim what? do you say - i stated the boy would not have plunged the knife into his father without a “climate of hatred” and this is obviously not true because the toddler who slapped his baby brother next door exhibited signs of human violence which can occur any time and in any place?

      you see, i am not arguing, nor is the author, that human violence cannot occur any time and in any place and is always as a result of a climate of hatred. in fact, THAT is entirely irrelevant to the topic (re topic -- see headline, think context).

      Can you or the author, as I originally asked…please explain the “climate of hatred” which has lead to Basque terrorism? Or is a “climate of hatred” only necessary for Jews to commit violent acts?

      the author never claimed (nor addressed) the concept that committing violent acts was limited to jews. bringing up another incidence of terror is whataboutery. it's like saying 'but what about the violence in syria'. the author is under no obligation to address basque separatists or their violence in the context of jewish or israeli terrorism or whether there is a 'climate of hatred' in spain. because the author never made the argument all acts of violence were incited by a climate of hatred.

      one last note.

      the author states that these acts of violence could not have occurred without a “climate of hatred”.

      re "these". note you did not write the author states that all acts of violence could not have occurred without a “climate of hatred”.

      if he had said that we would not be having this conversation. make sure you open that link to webster's dictionary up there.

      ;)

    • kind of impressive how many innocent people Basque “separatists” routinely kill.

      don, according to your link, since '61 ETA has killed 343 civilians and 486 security forces. but i'm not really seeing your comparison as that helpful for a number of reasons that should be self evident.

      there are many many examples of israeli forces assisting settlers in their attacks, protecting them in their attacks, and participating in those attacks (which number in the thousands).

      do you have examples of the ETA perpetrators acting with impunity, not being arrested, imprisoned or investigated, or anything like that to support the notion there's a culture of hate against innocent civilians supported by spanish government security forces or spain's army?

    • they've over 5k palestinian administrative detainees imprisoned since the firth of the year (not sure how many of those are long timers or if there were that many at one time). there's no way they're going to be imprisoning that many settlers and i'm sure there are at least that many settlers in ideological alignment w/the religious national zionist movement. israel outlawed the hamas movment years ago and simply being affiliated is used for grounds to detain palestinians. they could do that to followers of the kach movement. do they? hell no.

      look at this from february of this year:

      Police seize weapons from extremist Jewish settlement in the West Bank
      i24news 4 Feb — Israeli police seized weapons and other gear from the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar on Tuesday. Yitzhar has been a flash point for violence over the years and is home to some of the so-called “hilltop youth” responsible for vandalism of Palestinian property. The Israeli news site Times of Israel reported that among other things found during the raid, police found knives, saws, flammable liquids, tear gas canisters, face masks. The police believe that the arms would have been used against Palestinians as well as Israeli security forces. Israel Radio reported that Ahiad Liebman, 17, a minor from the settlement was barred from entering the West Bank for a time period of four months. - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      barred from entering the West Bank for a time period of four months? whoa -- tough luck buddy! that's about as bad as it gets.

      meanwhile it's been 4 days since the murderous attack. i don't want to hear what they're allegedly going to do, i want to hear what their doing and what they've done.

    • note how the headline does not say "Israel detains Jewish terror suspects without trial".

      what's taking them so long? i'm sure if they started rounding up, abducting, interrogating and torturing a bunch of 'youths' from the nearby settlement they could get to the bottom of this fairly quickly.

  • Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists dance the hora and prepare for end times in Washington DC
    • i just noticed how mr.eller isolated that sentence from the surrounding context. which begs the question - why?

    • Did you even read what you wrote?

      ok, let's review what ckg wrote, in more context than what you provided mr. eller:

      Yes, Christ will return and damn Jews who haven’t been born again to the fiery depths of Hell for all eternity..... he will damn anyone who isn’t born again, or so they believe. That includes Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and even many Catholics, many Mormons and many mainline Protestants like myself who don’t subscribe to a narrow definition of Christianity.

      let's ask ourselves, considering this circumstance, why someone would characterize this as 'anti semitic'? since it includes everyone else who is not their definition of christian, if one in fact did believe it was a bigoted remark, why wouldn't it be characterized as racist to all mankind who is not christian? why single out jews or anti semitism per se? and please show me where this argument is made (outside of the context of referencing jews).

      i myself have expressed what i think of these christian zionist freaks in the past. clearly i think they are an aberration -- really freaky -- for a number of reasons. i would not argue they were not racist per se, i'm sure many of them are or may be. but why the focus on bigotry against jews? what makes them (jews) stand out in the crowd, other than the fact christian zionists seem obsessed with protecting them or something or claim to love them so much. unlike say -- muslims or others in the group.

    • oh my, this is the first i've ever heard about the fire snakes in the desert - who thinks up this stuff? sometimes i think the less i know about religion the better.

    • that's probably because you're (possibly) conceptually only applying one (your) standard of "function" and "thrive". start shifting the variables around. good luck ;/

  • Israeli gov't support for violent occupation made today's murder inevitable
    • hophmi, there were 2 ("small") explosions at new mexico churches during sunday service today. the times had an article up at their website within about 4 hours. sure, it was not a "full" article, but it was at least 8 paragraphs. they didn't know the cause of the explosions yet but they got several quotes and reported it as news. it wasn't a one paragraph blurb.

      the nyt waited until they could report what the israeli government wanted them to report before releasing a report. at least 8 hours or more. one might think those explosions in new mexico were a bigger story no?

      don't tell me it can't be done, it can be done and there's no excuse.

    • johnWV, this is at least the 5th time i have banned this completely bigoted comment of yours only for you to try posting it again. if you ever try -even one more time - to post this or anything resembling this racism again i will definitely recommend your banning. am i making myself completely clear? cease and desist. consider this a final warning.

  • AFSC commemorates one year since attacks on Gaza with beach remembrance
    • i wish i could have been there. beautiful the spinning wheels. it's till so sad. another year and here we are.

  • Why is Wasserman Schultz, Obama's surrogate, holding out on Iran deal?
    • kay, as phil reported on thursday Pelosi says Iran deal has the votes:

      House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is “confident” that the House would be able to uphold the president’s veto of a potential Republican-backed bill to kill the deal.

      “More and more of them have confirmed to me that they will be there to sustain the veto,” Pelosi said at her weekly press conference, referring to members of the Democratic caucus. “They’ve done this not blindly but thoroughly,” as they examined the agreement over recent weeks.

      - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

    • just, check this out: link to prnewswire.com

      WASHINGTON, June 8, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is being released by the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

      Nearly 65 percent of Americans believe Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons program should be officially acknowledged. Almost 55 percent believe the program should be subject to international inspections.

      The IRmep poll, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percent, was fielded June 4-6 by Google Consumer Surveys and received 1,518 responses. The poll may be viewed online at:

      link to google.com

      much more at the link including:

      Taxpayers funding more foreign aid to Israel (PDF) than any other country are among the biggest losers. At the National Press Club on April 10 IRmep estimated $234 billion in US aid has been unlawfully delivered to Israel since 1976. The Symington and Glenn Amendments to the Foreign Aid Act of 1961 prohibit US aid to countries with clandestine nuclear weapons facilities. That aid, if properly disgorged, would average $1,909.54 per US taxpayer.

    • There could also be new dramatic developments in the general fluid situation in the tremendously volatile Mid-East.

      do you think people who do not want this deal might make efforts to ensure new dramatic developments occur? some assassinations or false flags perhaps? now it does get interesting. wonder if those same "spirits" are whispering in the minds of other people, whose 40 mil might not make the difference they'd like it to.

    • specifically what devils in the details might you be referring? access to the complete text of the deal is available at the link:

      link to journals.aps.org

      blockquote please.

    • yep, it's called rapprochement.

    • in your friggin dreams. it's dead, face it. 40mil in advertising can't turn this thing around. not.going.to.happen.

    • it's later than 10:30 am phil. more like 11:20.

      come to think of it, their 'high noon' may have already come and gone. they are on the wane already.

  • What about Palestinian academic freedom?
    • It is utterly, and completely, disingenuous and shameful for academics in North America to launch such campaigns, when they themselves teach at institutions that have failed to take positions against the involvement of the United States and Canada in wars abroad

      if boycotts were limited to institutions that have already taken positions against the involvement of the United States and Canada in wars abroad there would never be any boycotts because educational institutions don't take positions on war abroad until after there are boycotts, if at all. so no there is nothing disingenuous and shameful about trying to right a wrong. and for the most part (if not all) student and academic activists from these same institutions have instigated boycotts in the past and against american institutions also.

    • excellent article. painful to read.

  • Palestinian toddler killed in settler price-tag attack
    • annany, excuse me if i am repeating myself here -- but they all waited (the vast majority of them) until they got netanyahu's trip to the hospital etc etc. it took them 6,7,8 hours to report it as news. had it been a jewish baby or family it would have been up lickity split within an hour -- like arab press. it wasn't.

    • Every Jew outside of Israel must condemn the Jewish state and demand their governments do the same

      Every person must condemn and demand their governments do the same. this is a big problem, it can't be left to the jewish communities to fix it. this is our problem, an american problem. it's all our responsibility.

    • this reminds me of something i read the other day. may seem a little OT

      link to forward.com

      .... Mainstream Jewish community leaders in several countries told the institute that there is an “automatic tendency” for the surrounding non-Jewish society to “view Jews as representatives of the pro-Israel position.”

      This has the direct result — as the institute initially noted last year, the current report points out — of “increasing the frequency and severity of harassment/attacks on Jews in various places around the world.”

      “This insight was particularly emphasized this year in light of the bloody incidents in the Jewish community of France,” the report says. It quotes a Jewish community leader from France saying: “Every time [Israel uses force] synagogues are burned.”

      Curiously, the report avoids the word “anti-Semitism” when describing these attacks as consequences of Israeli actions. No less curious, there’s an earlier chapter in the report, Chapter 8, that’s devoted exclusively to the rise in European anti-Semitism, essentially referring to those same attacks. But Chapter 8 never mentions the testimony by European Jewish leaders in Chapter 9 about a link between Israeli actions and attacks on European Jews. “Anti-Semitism” and “Israeli actions” don’t appear in the same chapter.

      In a way, the reticence is understandable. Drawing a causal link ... between any anti-Semitism and any Jewish behavior, for that matter — is taboo in current Jewish discourse, to the point that suggesting it is itself treated frequently as an anti-Semitic act. It must have been frightening for scholars operating in this environment to stumble across first-hand testimony that the link is real. Even more frightening when they’re preparing to face an Israeli cabinet some of whose ministers view criticism of Israeli military actions as tantamount to treason.

      food for thought.

    • they will make palestinian suffer for this. like palestinians were who suffered after Goldstein killed all those people praying. like they made Mohammed Abu Khdeir's family suffer after he was burnt alive. it will be palestinians who suffer for this .

    • they killed someone else today

    • link to coteret.com

      US tax dollars fund rabbi who sanctioned killing gentile babies and incited torching of Yasuf mosque

      Friday’s (December 11 2009) torching of a mosque in the West Bank village of Yasuf, did not take place in a vacuum. The “price tag” terror tactic has been public knowledge for more than two years. Rabbis publicly sanction and encourage these attacks.

      The Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar is a notable example. Its head, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg, is the author of Baruch Hagever, an ode to Cave of Patriarchs murderer Baruch Goldstein. In early November the yeshiva’s dean, Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, published the “Handbook for the Killing of Gentiles.” On December 4 he published an article with specific instructions for terror activities in response to the “settlement freeze.”

      Investigative reporting by Haaretz has been following the funding sources behind the yeshiva. On November 17, it exposed generous financial support from the Israeli government. This morning (December 15 2009,) it uncovers US federal tax exemptions for its American donors and slams the US administration for sanctioning this practice.

      Below is a key excerpt. An annotated full text of the report is provided after the jump. The original yeshiva report to the Israeli Registrar of Associations can be downloaded here. Mondoweiss’s investigative reporting on the Central Fund of Israel can be read here.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      This is the same yeshiva whose rabbi said it is permissible to kill gentile babies because of “the future danger that will arise if they are allowed to grow into evil people like their parents.” In his latest book, the head of the yeshiva, Yitzhak Shapira, who bears the honorable title of rabbi, even permits killing anyone “who, through his remarks and so forth, weakens our kingdom” (Obama, beware!)…According to the fund’s latest financial statement, it gave some $8 million to religious organizations in 2006, earmarked for establishing synagogues and schools, aiding the needy and “urgent security needs.”…So the next time the White House spokesman condemns the torching of a mosque near Nablus, some reporter ought to ask him why respectable American citizens contribute to the Od Yosef Chai Shechem yeshiva, one of whose leading rabbis wrote the following incendiary words of incitement: “[Civil] Administration inspectors have not dared to enter Yitzhar since the freeze edict. Their experience with Yitzhar, and its heat, are responsible for the fact that every entry into the settlement by hostile elements requires large forces and ends with extensive damage to army and police equipment, even greater damage to Arab persons and property, and a region that continues to burn in every direction for several days” (Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, Hakol Hayehudi, December 4, 2009).

      A-G: 'Torat Hamelech' authors will not be indicted
      link to jpost.com

      Investigations against rabbis who approve book also to be closed; Weinstein: Not enough evidence of intention to incite.

      Weinstein wrote that Torat Hamelech is written in a general manner and does not call for violence.

      According to Weinstein, works pertaining to rulings on religious law or publications of religious sources should not be dealt with in criminal proceedings in order to preserve freedom of religion.

      In addition, Weinstein said that it was hard to assert that the book permits individuals to act, rather than a ruling authority.

      In addition to the attorney-general’s investigation, a petition against Shapira and Elitzur was brought to the High Court of Justice by the Reform Movement in Israel and other pluralistic Jewish groups several weeks ago. The groups demanded the Attorney-General’s Office and the justice minister explain why the rabbis had not been indicted for racial incitement.

      According to the petition, the book “explicitly claims that the life of a Jew is worth more than the life of a non-Jew, and permits the killing of innocent people including children.”

      Director of the Reform Movement in Israel Rabbi Gilad Kariv said that closure of the case sends a message that “racial incitement is permitted in Israel and bears no price.”

    • yes, definitely sick. when they write "remember that the war is over Judaism" they mean it. let's really hope they don't win that war either.

    • from the article: israeli teens:

      In an alarming trend, only 28% of Jewish respondents said they condemned so-called price tag attacks associated with religious, far-right Jewish groups, with students from a traditional home surprisingly more likely to decry those attacks than their secular peers.

      and can you spot the deception here:

      While 76% of secular Israelis were willing to live in the same apartment building as Arabs, only 37% of religious Jews and 11% of ultra-Orthodox teens said the same. Sixty-eight percent of Arab adolescents said they were willing to have Jewish neighbors.

      they try to suggest a false equivalence. 76% vs 68%. first of all, note how in one they use numbers (76) and another letters so it blends (Sixty-eight). but more interestingly, they never mention how many israeli jewish teens are secular. therefore, the 78% is a meaningless figure when compared to 68% of "arab adolescents". the upshot is one side is almost 70% non racists wrt who their neighbors are. the other -- not so much.

    • a culture of hate funded and incentivized by the Israeli government

      it's absolutely true. link to haaretz.com

      check the date dec 13 2009 (compare that to the announcement of the price tag attacks report by didi remez dec 6 2009)

      Palestinians: National priority map is blueprint for settlement expansion

      Israel okays plan to pump funds into settlements; Barak: New funds will fall into hands of extremists.

      ...... The cabinet approved on Sunday the controversial plan - which will pump millions of shekels into West Bank settlements - after Netanyahu decided to review the list of communities for which funds were earmarked.

      All of the ministers from the Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas parties voted in favor, following a five-hour debate on the matter at the weekly cabinet meeting; Labor's five ministers opposed.

      Defense Minister Ehud Barak, the Labor chairman, attacked the plan during the discussion, warning that some of the money would end up in the hands of right-wing extremists.

      "I don't think that we need to award them a prize in the form of including them in the national priority map," said Barak, referring to the plan.

      The defense minister cited the desecration of a West Bank mosqueon Friday as an example of the rightists' activity.

      He added that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's map of communities slated to receive state funds included a disproportional number of settlements.

      The left-wing Meretz faction submitted a motion of no-confidence in response to the plan.

      Netanyahu's decision to review the move appeared to be a compromise on the matter. The plan sparked a barrage of criticism since the premier decided to implement the move despite a freeze on new construction in the territories.

      The Labor ministers said Netanyahu had agreed to hold a cabinet discussion on the plan and to form a panel to examine which communities should be included.

      At the start of Sunday's cabinet meeting, Netanyahu said: "The government wants to provide an answer to those who carry on a daily basis the economic and security burden."

      the settlers carry a security burden!!!! fanatical yeshivas get rewarded by being included in the "National priority map"!!

      that's only part of the article. this is BEFORE the knesset was jammed packed with settler fanaticals.

    • isn't it amazing how awesome the shin bet is when it comes to tracking down -- literally hunting -- palestinians (often killing them right on the spot but if not -- an amazingly impressive 99% conviction rate) but the same group of brilliant investigators can't seem to find these jewish terrorists after years and years! i find it truly astounding, especially considering the leaders are out in the open. why, check out this wedding here: link to mondoweiss.net

      that knife dance video is illuminating isn't it? their leaders and rabbis are all there. now, if these were palestinians do any of us for one minute think it would be baffling the shin bet for sooo long how to find these guys? and then when they do find them what do they do? maybe jail a couple of them for a month or so, or heaven forbid ban them from entering the WB for 6 month. uuu scary punishment.

      even bradley burston, a few years ago when i heard him speak, i asked him about them and he said they were just kids, the hilltop youth is what they call them.

    • i agree, it's not true that it’s not being covered -- now.

      btw, you can view the articles coming in by googling news "by date" (timestamp)

      link to news.google.com

      my observation is, after years of doing this, often msm won't report certain stories until after government officials have weighed in.

    • it may not have been false wrt the nyt when she wrote it. i got this off google, just now:
      link to news.google.com

      Jewish Arsonists Suspected in West Bank Attack That Killed Palestinian Toddler
      New York Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
      Officials and neighbors identified the dead child as 18-month old Ali Saad Dawabsheh, and said his parents, Saad, 32, and Riham, a 27-year-old mathematics teacher, were being treated in Israeli hospitals along with their other son, Ahmad. Witnesses ...

      ...

      Attack in West Bank Kills Palestinian Child
      Wall Street Journal - ‎1 hour ago‎
      JERUSALEM—Suspected Jewish extremists fire-bombed two homes in a West Bank village early Friday morning, in attack that left a toddler dead and spurred the Israeli army to deploy fresh forces to the Palestinian territory ahead of possible unrest.

      Palestinian toddler killed in West Bank; Jewish arsonists suspected
      Reuters - ‎4 hours ago‎
      The child's parents and four-year-old brother were flown by helicopter to an Israeli hospital where they were said to be in serious condition, officials said. A second house in the village was also set ablaze, but no one was at home. It was the worst ...

      'Extremist Israeli' attack: Photographs emerge of Palestinian toddler killed ...
      The Independent - ‎4 hours ago‎
      Israel's defence minister confirmed the family had been taken to a hospital in nearby Nablus, but that they would be transferred to Israeli hospitals. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the “terror attack.” He told the Jerusalem Post ...

      whereas, i posted it here from haaretz 9 hours ago: link to mondoweiss.net

      sometimes it takes a little time for the search engines to pick up stories.

    • “This is not a Jewish act,” Mr. Magal said.

      for people's edification, especially people new to i/p over the last 5 years, this is from didi remez dec 6 2009 when the settlers first announced the price tag attacks. there is a lot more at the link.

      link to coteret.com

      Below is a translated excerpt from the Rabbi’s article (original document is here.) It’s a must read. Note the announcement of a revival meeting tonight at the Yeshiva with the notorious Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, and the pride expressed at their success in maintaining a de facto autonomy in Yitzhar. Probably not coincidentally, Police reported this morning that settlers had torched a house and two vehicles in the nearby village of Ain Abous. At this rate, that will be remembered as a very minor incident.

      (the following excerpt is the exact replica at the link. all bold, italics and notations"[..]" contained in the blockquote are from the original)

      [Excerpt from “The Mutual Guarantee [Arvut Hadadit] Strategy”, by Rabbi Yosef Elitzur]

      […]

      Liberation of the mind leads to liberation of action, and the more liberated the mind the greater reverberation small acts have and the greater their results (at a relatively low price). We offer a few possible courses of action:

      “Mutual guarantee” [Arvut Hadadit] — acts of mutual guarantee coordinated between members of all the settlements take the air out of the government’s dreams. First of all we are all together and there is no “divide and conquer.” Second of all, we decide on the timing and don’t wait for a large police force and inspectors to bash us in the head and arrest and beat us. We have power too and we will use it at the time and place of our choice. Thirdly, we remember that the war is over Judaism, and the main enemies are the Gentiles in our country who are trying to conquer it and confusing the minds of crooked Jews who are far from the Torah. We do not discriminate: if the Jews don’t have quiet, the Arabs won’t have quiet. If the Arabs win because of violence against Jews, the Jews will win by violence against Arabs [emphasis mine]. Of course all of that leads to graceful activities with lots of joy: we can use the power of the women, children and older people to block a certain access road, and at the same time take firmer action against hostile elements further down the same road; we can carry out quiet and deep operations simultaneously with widespread acts of disorder in the sector, and so on.

      Don’t forget that a multitude of such operations and warming up the public will put us in a state of high readiness. To this day administration inspectors have not managed to enter Yitzhar since the freeze decree. That is because the experience and the heat at Yitzhar make every entrance by hostile elements require large forces and end with much damage to IDF and police property, even more damage to Arab property and persons, and a sector burning on all sides for a few days [emphasis mine]. When in every settlement a police patrol car becomes an unwanted presence, and administration inspectors understand they have 10 minutes to run away before their tires are punctured, the government’s ability to enforce its decrees will drop sharply.

      […]

      On the 19th day of Kislev [December 6], the day of redemption of the Old Master who withstood the denouncement and persecution of Jewish brothers, we will meet at the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva for a conference with our teacher Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg. Those who wish to be warmed and to meet many Jews from all walks of the Jewish public who are partners in strengthening Jews in the holy land are joyously welcome! [emphasis in original]

      and if you scroll there is a timeline: (my bold)

      November 16, 2009 — Avrum Burg on how this kind of Judaism inspires murder: “”Just go to a synagogue on Sabbath eve. Go in and pick up the weekly Parasha [Torah portion] commentary pages, read them and you will see that Teitel is not alone. Teitel is just one of an entire plantation of bad weed. Some of those pages are actually financed by the state, through the Ministry of Religious Affairs. The racist lore, as taught by the rabbis of Hebron and Bet El, is everywhere. In the end, someone gets up and does the deed. We tend to ignore this, but horrible things happen there. It is in the air. I know those people. Some of them are my relatives. They do terrible things and we fail to notice.”
      November 19, 2009 — Haaretz’s Akiva Eldar, based on Yesh Din data, reveals that the Rabbi’s Yeshiva is funded by the Israeli government.
      December 6 2009 — Rabbi Elitzur and Ode Yosef Hai Yeshiva lead preparations for terrorizing West Bank Palestinians.
      December 15 2009 — Haaretz uncovers US federal tax exemptions for American charities funding the rabbi.

      to the murderers carrying out these attacks, and their leaders, it is very much a "jewish" act.

  • Leading American writer Abulhawa is denied entry to Palestine
  • Pelosi says Iran deal has the votes, and Podhoretz urges Israel to attack Iran
    • i think perhaps i misunderstood your meaning atlanta because i don't regard almost any msm as "progressive". i would agree most all msm starts from a premise of a neocon or neoliberal viewpoint (including npr of course which i, personally, don't consider progressive) and occasionally a pundit or host may interject non neocon/neoliberal framing. but that's not usually the case.

    • too many progressives and NPR media types are constantly framing conflict in the ME with a neo con or neo liberal frame.

      really? do tell.

  • MSM avoids central Pollard question: Did Israel trade secrets to Soviets for emigres?
  • Cruz says Iran could set off Electro Magnetic Pulse over east coast, killing 10s of millions
    • i can't stop laughing. so which gop prez candidate is going to top this to get adelson $ and how's he gonna do it! to think with grinch is was just 'there are no palestinians' -- we've come a long way baby!

  • Sheldon Adelson bankrolls NBA player trip to Israel to fight BDS
    • Zirin’s claim that “those killed are primarily black and brown” is clearly a lie.

      clearly?:

      Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

      According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

    • here's what it says. and let's pretend (NOT) you just forgot to read the following sentences:

      ●About half the victims were white, half minority. But the demographics shifted sharply among the unarmed victims, two-thirds of whom were black or Hispanic. Overall, blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities when adjusting by the population of the census tracts where the shootings occurred.

      link to washingtonpost.com

      seriously GL, i never realized what a racist you were until this exchange. this is willful denial.

    • 2) Isn’t 29% violent/armed with a gun a substantial percentage? The statement could just as well have read: “Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in America last year were suspected of a violent crime and armed with a gun. “

      no, absolutely 29% violent/armed with a gun a NOT, in my book, a substantial percentage. the number should be 100% for what other reason would police have to gun down a criminal? police are not the judge and jury and executioner. they are supposed to arrest people unless their lives are threatened.

      1) Why do the statistics deal only with a single year?

      maybe they are a new operation on a low budget and could only afford the last year wrt statistics. lots of polls and data relate to the last year. that's not unusual.

      3) What about being suspected of a violent crime but not armed with a gun?

      i think we can assume police suspect black people of violent crime more than white people. just like driving while black has proven to garner more suspicion from police than driving while white.

      5) How does the quoted statistic show that it is entirely “not about crime”?

      why not ask How does the quoted statistic show that you beat your wife last night?

      the role played by criminality in many of these cases should not be ignored.

      police are supposed to police, not kill people -- except in drastic extenuating circumstance.

      "Officer who killed #SamDubose issued 81% of his tickets to Black folk."

    • By saying that “all lives matter (equally)”, I express that all people regardless of race deserve equal treatment and equal rights.

      but where's your evidence they receive equal treatment? ie where are the whites gunned down from traffic infractions vs criminals escaping or something? can you name a few?

    • When 50% of people killed by the police are white and the reaction to police killings is the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, then that’s pure racism

      where's your source for this info GL? because the only source i can find is a this: CNN says More Whites Were Killed From Police Brutality in 2014 - See more at: link to thereelnetwork.net

      but note there is NO link to a CNN report making that claim, merely a graphic with no source for the info included.

      and note the articles framing "blacks may not even be the main victims targeted by police brutality…" and " It was reported nationwide that in the year of 2014" but no embed. was the nationwide report this photo they offered?

      plus, here is a CNN report claiming there are no federal statistics for this information: "Where's the data on officer-involved killings?" link to cnn.com

      Some police departments do provide figures on the use of force, but the sample does not constitute a national portrait, experts say.

      The problem begins with police reports: They don't contain a check box to indicate whether someone who has been arrested is an officer, for example.

      "There's nothing in any of those systems where you would put down that a cop got arrested," Stinson said.

      This void exists despite the federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. It requires the government to keep "data about the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers" and "an annual summary of the data."

      Federal study: No excessive force in 99.6% of calls

      Such a database was deemed unfeasible, according to researchers of a pilot study that the federal government funded after the law's passage.

      and this site link to mappingpoliceviolence.org claims black people are 3 times more likely to be by police than white people. so, who is your source?

    • half of the people killed by US police are white.

      oh my. considering how many more white people there are in this country compared to blacks that percentage, if true which is doubtful, indicates a huge imbalance.

    • Focusing on the side issue of racism within the police brutality is a distraction from the main problem of police brutality itself. Police brutality is a general problem, which affects people of ALL races, including 50% whites.

      willful ignorance is no excuse.

    • Palestinians ? Go for it !

      remember that noose on Gopstein's facebook page? link to mondoweiss.net

    • i sooo thought of that edwardm. just a coincidence they'd be splashing around w/mud on them? not on your life.

    • A hero like Muhammad Ali being a great historical example for athletes of conscious today to follow and emulate.

      speaking of zirin, i recommend: Serena Williams Is Today’s Muhammad Ali link to thenation.com

    • the question is how often does that happen?

      my suspicion is this is one of the first effects we're seeing of the vegas summit. expect a lot more of this kind of thing and more. i think it's a indication we'll see more individuals approached to be emissaries for the state to organize these gambits. but that's probably just one aspect of everything they've cooked up.

    • zirin is the best

  • Congressional support for Iran deal solidifies-- and Cory Booker pushes back against friendship ultimatums
    • What will Iraq look like if Iran has its way?

      and what does Iraq look like after 10 years of the US/IS having it's way? isis. choose your medicine yonah.

  • Israeli forces kill third Palestinian in less than a week
  • Morgan Freeman, Valerie Plame and Queen Noor say Iran deal will prevent nuclear war that will melt Jack Black's frisbee
    • “like Toast, man” I’m interpreting you felt that was really stupid.

      i merely said i was 'reminded of' those viewers who spend their time watching youtube's latest happening thang. thinking if we could get them to notice or care -- and i do think that's a jack black sorta crowd. not necessarily stupid in the least just -- otherwise engaed.

      and actually i never heard of Nicki Minaj until yesterday. (i heard obama created a twitter site for the @irandeal and headed off on a search to find it on a site about trending stories and sure enough he was buried between taylor swift and the minaj's cat fight ( already past tense/make up phase ) so naturally i had to read what they were fighting about and who this minaj character was. how could i have not heard of someone with 1/2 billion hits? easily, that's how. and katy perry weighed in too. of course, i have already heard of perry and swift) i didn't think it was stupid, i thought he feigned sort of .. don't really know the word for it. but toast is a generational phrase so it signaled (the targeted) viewers it was -- cool.

      yes we are the last at the bar. very sad day indeed.

    • tch, i think keith, frankie and marnie would like the video to be for us. but we don't need a video. it's not that most americans are stupid, it's that they don't follow the news. so they are going to hear the loudest voices -- and the lobby knows that which is why they make these screaming blatant dumbed down lying fear statements.

      when i look at this video ('like..toast man') i am reminded of the 1/2 billion hits on Nicki Minaj's Anaconda video. think if we could activate the people who'd rather listen to miley? (wrecking ball is up to over 3/4 billion views). those numbers add up and they are not all 13 yr olds nor are they stupid. do i care if it's a dumbed-down plea that puts a millimeter-thin layer of sugar icing on a meter-thick cake made of dog-doo. not really! and how many people are informed enough for this to make sense? it reinforces the propaganda meme that the problem is Iran’s nuclear program rather than a soft-power assault on a regime not yet an imperial vassal.

      hello! we don't have time to give the american public a crash course in strategic geopolitical warfare in the ME! we just need these 570,336,466 people to get off their collective butts and pick up the phone instead of watching this for 3 minutes:

    • tch, just one caveat Most Americans don’t even know Israel has nukes.

      most americans know israel has nukes. there was a recent google poll confirming this.

    • think again bornjoo. rapprochement with iran is extremely valuable to US interests and will inevitably "damage the Zionist enterprise" anyway, sans landing us on the brink of WW3.

  • 'This is our Israel, this is for the Jews. No Palestinian should come to Israel': A Palestinian-American's story of being detained at Ben Gurion airport
  • In wake of January attacks, French Muslims have been demonized in manufactured 'clash of civilizations'
    • Nonsubstantiation is one of the basic religious principles of Zionism.

      i guess he's not going to even acknowledge the 60 attacks in one week i mentioned. it's hard to tell what he's thinking -- 83% is relative. considering all the death last summer, i'm surprised attacks didn't double. but since i don't know what constitutes an attack it's hard to gauge what he's referring too. either way it's a bummer.

    • All this hype about Muslims facing a 28% increase in Islamophobic incidents, while on the other hand Jews in France have seen a shocking 84% rise in anti-semitic attacks since 2014. -

      mayhem, do you happen to have a list of those attacks or what the numbers are specifically? because percentages are relative. for example, if last year there were 30 attacks in the 1st quarter of the year and this year's 1st quarter there were 60, that would be a shocking 100% increase, would it not? whereas:

      link to independent.co.uk

      Twenty-six mosques around France have been subject to attack by firebombs, gunfire, pig heads, and grenades as Muslims are targeted with violence in the wake of the Paris attacks.

      France’s National Observatory Against Islamophobia reports that since last Wednesday a total of 60 Islamophobic incidents have been recorded, with countless minor encounters believed to have gone unreported.

      Amongst the incidents, a mosque in Le Mans was hit with four grenades, and gunfire directed through one of its windows.

      While Islamophobic incidents are nothing new....

      if islamophobic attacks are nothing new, 60 attacks in a week could (although i seriously doubt) represent a decreased percentage from the year before. so muslims facing a 28% increase is not "hype" if the attacks come at an alarming rate on a regular basis. it's all relative, just saying. any attack is horrible but pitting these "increase" percentages against each other sans any relativity of the numbers of attacks is an exercise in futility.

    • ;) thank you qualtrough, my pleasure.

    • too primitive? please elaborate.

    • You can’t have a liberal democracy if a majority of the public thinks that making fun of a religion gets the death penalty.

      You can’t have a liberal democracy in an apartheid state either. especially where the justice minister advocates genocide.

    • what really offends me about caricatures of the Prophet is not their existence per se, but how vicious and racist they usually are.

      it goes beyond that. it's the gross sexualizing. as an example, think of all the graphic mockups of scarlett johansson during the soda stream/super bowl fiasco. an A for apartheid on her head, using photos from oxfam and soda stream and placing mocking words coming from her mouth. but what if activists artists had her on her knees prostrate with her bosoms hanging down or squished against the cement with cameras aimed up her overtly hairy ass? would they have been roundly condemned for creating images like this, or us for publishing them? of course. so, it's not merely vicious and racist. it's obviously aimed to incite. the images are completely gross and sexualized.

    • " “obliviousness” are those in the middle” was kinda weak by itself,

      i said that only quoting max wrt “obliviousness”. sorry it didn't meet your standards.

      That’s all we do, disclaim endorsement of attacks

      that's definitely not all max did. and wrt

      an implicit question which MB ignores

      he didn't ignore it. you just were not satisfied with his response. and your 1,2,3 ignored his response.

    • “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

      as an exercise, got any hate speech targeting white soccer moms?

    • wasn’t too convinced there existed any population who “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

      really? because i can state categorically i've never experienced a public media meme/display of hate speech wielded against .. me. not once did i ever fear (except in my wildest dreams) being rounded up and incarcerated for my beliefs. i am not subject to DWB, no one is hunting me down because of my religious (or non religious) affiliations. no one is telling me i can't appear in public dressed as who i am. no one is spitting on me because i wear something on my head or covering my hair. it's just not my reality. because i'm (just) white. i can fantasize but i don't really have any idea what it is to live w/discrimination 24/7. sitting at a bus stop being stared at w/suspicion... really not my reality.

    • “people who are kind of progressive…but who were out marching”, is that the question is really about false consciousness.

      no, he addresses false consciousness (references it as "obliviousness"). he says they are segment of population who "never experienced speech being wielded against them in a hateful derogatory was to demonize them collectively as a group..."(9:05).

      so that's very much about 'false consciousness'.

      it also addresses your observation why people who are otherwise informed about global events, and who “should know better,” get sucked into government propaganda and French government narratives that are full of internal inconsistencies in the first place.

      this is why both jews and muslims are both, or have both been, subject to this kind of isolation and discrimination and "incitement" as minorities.( did you watch the vimeo? as i recall it is the woman speaking around 45 (or perhaps 35) minutes in) whereas the people who literally don't notice this discrimination in french society, which he called "obliviousness" are those in the middle.

      watch it again, both videos. i believe you're mistaken. he addresses it w/paul jay and he really addresses it in the vimeo.

    • there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.

      but is it worth it if the 'west' advanced itself on the backs of others? if they genocided millions to get where they are today? how far would you go to support that "enlightenment and sophistication"? would you offer up your child for experimentation or annihilation for the advancement of western culture?

    • just, if you've any chance to watch the vimeo ..it is fantastic. mental notes 27 min (incredible), 35 and 45. i would definitely watch everything past 27 min if you're crunched for time. the interviewees are magnificent must see! vimeo is challenging for me .. i have to keep waiting. but it's so worth it on this film.

    • for your review: link to mondoweiss.net

      6. No trolling. Wikipedia defines trolling as “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.” That definition is good enough for us. We hope our comment section can feature an engaged and free flowing debate, but we are not interested in commenters whose only aim is to disrupt or sabotage the discussion.

      a top comment cannot, by definition, be in response to a conversation that has yet to take place. it's held to a different standard than a comment responding to another commenter. it should relate to the information in the article. if you think it's 'sneaky' to grab top comment without remotely having engaged the info in the article, i can be sneaky too, that's all i meant. ;) scroll up to the top of the thread.

      Would you prefer that no Zionists comment on this page?

      please don't race for top comment w/an inflammatory post before even making an attempt to engage the article. thanks ;) i'm glad we've had a chance to have this conversation.

    • deny antisemitism, even that it should have its own name, will nonetheless find much worthy utility in Islamophobia.

      your segue is a little tweaked there tokyobk. there's nothing wrong per se with calling out bigotry when you see it, it's not the same as denial if you use a different term for it that means exactly the same thing.

      as an aside:

      A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational.

      technically fearing something is not quite the same as 'having hatred towards'. note the reference to "the sufferer" and "danger". albeit, in our culture the word islamophobia is generally used synonymously/ interchangeably with bigotry, but it's actual meaning is different. in that regard it has something in common with the term anti semitism, because the etymology of both terms are unusual considering the history of the etymons.

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