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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Thanks to Netanyahu, Israel support turns into a political football
    • phil called him a neocon less than a month ago link to

      and he knows he's married to nuland link to

      i think what he means perhaps is kagan branding himself as a centrist, liberal zionist vs the hardcore version we saw on the run up to the iraq war. i don't think phil means he's not a neocon anymore. but you'd have to ask him. not sure he's hanging out in the comment section at this time. but maybe he'll respond.

  • The Emperor's Nuke Clothes
  • White House says Netanyahu offers no alternative but military action (and Liz Warren won't say if she's attending speech)
    • solving many of the intractable problems plauging US urban centers of poverty or in Africa

      doesn't carter do this sort of thing?

    • i love that video from end the occupation!

      phil, another great article. and this

      I think NPR’s approach is indicative of an attitude everyone in the Establishment quietly shares: Jews count more on this issue than non-Jews. - See more at: link to

      it's not just indicative of the establishment. how many times have i heard this thing can't be moved until the jewish community moves.

      more power to - americans - all of us !!!

  • New DC bus ad takes on the special relationship on eve of Netanyahu’s address to Congress
    • walid, go to the about page, everyone on staff is an editor to some degree or another. if you click on the base of the article "all posts by mondoweiss editors" and check what they have in common it is that they are mostly press releases. so it's whoever took the time to draft the press release.

  • Banksy goes to Gaza
  • About me: The olive tree
    • thanks walid. hopefully in the future we'll hear more from her.

    • hmm, not sure if i'd agree with the 'assumed' part. but the beauty of her style of writing is that it makes you think about where her feelings are coming from, and where they will lead. she's in transition, finding her place in the world, not unlike someone else i know. it's a discovery and she's got that an inner explorer quality.

    • there's so much there kris. i've read it several times. the second time i broke down in tears.

      I’m thankful that because of my mother, I have citizenship and the legal right to reside in the United States. Often I feel restless and want to travel again, but honestly, I don’t know where else I would go. I’ve often thought of Hawaii, Canada, Italy (where one of my uncles lived), and France (because I can speak a tiny bit of French.)

      it's that displacement that comes through in her words. and even though her mom is from kansas, her expression reveals she doesn't sense this is her home.

      anyway, i think she's a talented writer because of the underlying honest feelings running thru her reflections. "the importance of my uncle’s olive tree somehow eluded me" ..... remembering her father's excitement and her own youthful dismissiveness "I just piled it away with a multitude of other things".

  • Right-wing bomb thrower David Horowitz behind anti-SJP posters
    • left-wing bomb-throwers who frequently target Jew

      do tell. what's your idea of frequent? sources?

      So I guess now any campaign against campus antisemitism is going to be spun as an attempt to “squelch Palestine solidarity activism.”

      it is if it targets sjp, which it does.

  • Kerry says Netanyahu was wrong the last time he pushed war for the U.S.
    • The report, which is based on interviews with several former U.S. army personnel, alleged that between 2004 and 2010, soldiers found thousands of rusty and corroded chemical munitions.

      apz, i found your quote here: link to

      yes it did, which was reflected in the Duelfer Report, that's old news. here's the nyt: link to

      "remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West."

      but there's no evidence saddam was stockpiling these nor was that alleged by the nyt.

      So what did he gas the kurds with Helium balloons

      probably from chemical weapons supplied by the US, as reported in that same nyt article:

      expansive but largely secret chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.
      The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

      so much for your redacted source (btw, we don't publish links to front page magazine so don't bother trying) also, the source at ibtimes links to a report that doesn't support the allegation made. at least i couldn't find it.

      Even the very liberal New York Times published a report about ISIS seizing Iraqi chemical weapons.

      where? because all i could find was a nyt report saying the area where the US ran into old '90 era rotting munitions was now an area under isis control. the ibtimes claim was sourced to the rubin center, barry rubin's neocon outfit (otherwise known as meria) link: link to


      even they pose it as a question.

      Apparently ISIS used some of those weapons against the Kurds in Kobani.

      not according to any source docs mentioned. ibtimes:

      The report has prompted fears that ISIS could have access to vast stockpiles of chemical weapons, including sarin, mustard gas, and VX, a nerve agent.

      the nyt only claimed link to

      Munitions are unaccounted for in areas of Iraq now under control of ISIS.

      and link to

      acknowledged that chemical weapons were turning up in Iraq, and predicted that troops would find more.

      which is old news: link to

      The report acknowledged that only small stockpiles of chemical WMDs were found, the numbers being inadequate to pose a militarily significant threat.

      imho, this is a bunch of rehashed old news.

      Iraq was preparing to invade Saudi Arabia. It invaded Kuwait. Now that Saddam is overthrown we can sit back in our comfortable armchairs and criticize but if he hadn’t been overthrown we would have had a very powerful and hostile tyrant in control of the Middle East.

      oh please. saddam was our guy until he wouldn't whistle our tune.

      Obama has thrown victory away so the Iranian are the new threat and boy are they a threat.

      triple yawn. and how did you leapfrog from saddam era '90's chem weapons and ISIS to iran being a threat? that's quite the divert.

    • Adelson controls Netanyahu, and then Adelson uses Netanyahu (and the rest of the Israel lobby) to pressure Congress to promote Adelson’s drive to attack Iran.

      imho it's more likely adelson found in netanyahu someone who thinks like he does, shares his goals, and whom he trusts is most able to materialize those goals for israel and zionism, and therefore he supports him. that's different than controlling someone. plus, he doesn't have to completely control netanyahu because he can also financially support even more radical groups in israel who will apply pressure on netanyahu or make it appear he is being pressured to garner the same results.

  • Hillel accuses BDS activists of ‘colonizing’ student groups
    • and don't forget 1948 UN res. 194 phrasing "right of return" reference to palestinians refugees, israel co-oped that same terminology in their 1952 nationality law referencing only jewish immigration by co-opting the term "return", applying it to people who had never been there before nor had many/most of their relatives for thousands of years if ever at all.

    • speaking of "radical and marginal groups", hillel is sounding more “radical and marginal” all the time. supporting zionism is definitely radical.

  • Israel gives out 'security Oscars' at the UN to Iran, Hezbollah, Saudi Arabia and PA
    • you're so smart taxi.

      Obama was very unwise to have thrown the Ukraine at Putin

      keep thinking of victoria nuland. what a vicious deadly gambit.

  • Israel turns off power to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the dead of winter
    • Their power was out a whole 45 minutes,huh?

      maybe you missed this:

      "...warned that more outages are coming if Palestinian officials don’t pay millions of dollars in outstanding debt.”

      Citing Yiftah Ron-Tal, the director of Israel Electric Corp. (IEC), the Times reports:

      “.......Starting today, we will begin restricting electricity.”

      luckily the news of this collective punishment spread and spread fast. the next thing we hear is israel decided to apply the tax revenue owed to palestine toward the israeli government's electric monopoly, funny how that works.

    • i'd love another jellied eel martini gamal. you mixing?

    • There is no reason on earth whatsoever why the Palestinians should not pay their electricity bill, like everyone else on the planet.

      hmm, not really. utility companies are generally either controlled privately therefore it is a contractual agreement between 2 independent parties or else they are state controlled therefore it is a relationship between the polity and those that polity represents, in a democracy those people have a say in who represents them. in palestine the people have no choice but to purchase their electricity from the government who offers them no rights or representation and routinely oppresses, kills, and imprisons* them and also steals their land and resources. so no, this is definitely not like everyone else on the planet. not at all.

      *ie, routine in palestine: link to

      Aspiring chef shot dead by Israeli soldier
      Palestinian girl injured after being hit by settler vehicle in Silwan
      Palestinian injured after being rammed by an Israeli car in Hebron
      Israeli extremists attack shop in Hebron
      Four injured by live Israeli fire in Bethlehem
      Dancing children attacked by Israeli forces
      Israeli extremists open fire on Palestinian homes in Bethlehem
      Five Palestinians kidnapped in the West Bank
      Several Palestinians injured near Jenin; three children kidnapped in Jerusalem
      Settlers burn mosque near Bethlehem
      Christian center set on fire, vandalized in Jerusalem hate crime attack

    • And have a debt of over $ 500 million, which is threatening to the stability of the Israel Electric Corporation....This is a business, not a political issue ...

      i doubt that link to

      "The State of Israel owns approximately 99.85% of the Company."

      Israel thru the occupation of palestine forces palestinians to be dependent on israel for their utilities. they routinely demolish independent initiative of palestinians to control their own destiny and their own resources for decades now. were you aware they steal all palestinian water and riparian rights and then force palestinians to purchase their own water thru the states water company Mekorot?

      this is a forced captive market that sustains israel, an apartheid country that has never existed without stealing palestine's natural resources. this "economic advantage" of having 1/2 the people, who have no say in the government and no benefit from that government be forced into dependence by that same government which subsists off the fruits of labor, resources and land of a captive people is what you are defending here.

      and then to turn around and claim palestine is "threatening to the stability of the Israel"? woe is me the colonizer being threatened by the victims of that colonization.

      it's all political. even the little slaughtered children feed the beast of colonization.

    • assaf, speaking of entrepreneurial start ups have you checked out PIVOT link to ? they've got a kickstarter too (here: link to ) and have reached half there goal! i fail to see how this is related to the topic at hand tho.

    • You apparently think I should keep my side of the bargain, while you are not obligated to keep your side of it. Every day the debt increases.

      what bargain? i don't recall a bargain. israel is a thief. they have stolen the land , the resources, the water (and then sell water back to palestinians, deny palestinians access to their agricultural land, let settlers farm on it and then sell the produce to palestinians!!!) ). where's the paycheck, the rent for using their land for decades? Every day israel's debt to palestinians increases.

      500 mil for electricity? what about the trillions israel owes palestinians? . nix that because there is no price you can put on it. this little debt for the electricity is nothing, nothing compared to what israel owes palestine in "the bargain".

      you want to throw around the concept of "keep my side of the bargain"? that's like a torturer demanding the prisoners keep their side of a bargain. never mind the prisoner would say anything while you're torturing them.

      just gag me w/a spoon steve. in any normal system palestiniand would not be forced to purchase their electricity from israel. they would have their own power plants (just like the kind israel blew up in gaza last summer) palestinians are a captured market. they have no choice but to purchase what is theirs already by right. and israel demolishes any opportunity for them to be self sufficient. they demolish EU efforts (in the hundreds of millions) too. wonder why? because the occupation is a money maker for israel. israel has never sustained itslef independently . they live on handouts and what portion of every penny gifted to palestine goes thru israel? every cent. it's gross. even the alleged reconstruction of gaza (when ever that happens, if ever) is designed so that most of the profit goes to israel. so they slaughter people and demolish whole neighborhoods and profit off of global handouts for the reconstruction. billions!

    • you can think what you want about camera but it is perceived no differently then alJazeera, ma’an, or even the Guardian. - See more at: link to

      lol, by whom? you wish! besides, camera is not "media" they are a hasbara gotcha outfit. what story have they broken, ever? besides "bwah, that's not true!"

    • herb, your tag team showed up.

      dabakr, go moan to wikipedia. this is what they are called, i didn't invent the term nor was my source written as some publicity stunt after last winters flooding.

      there are retention basins but they were not disturbed. a wadi is a dry riverbed that floods during the rainy season. and that is what happened. israel had no more ‘control’ over this then the snow in the golan.

      really. they have no control unless they want the water, then they have plenty of control. yes, it's weather, and no, it is not like the snow in the golan.

    • i use arse when i don't want to get caught swearing!

    • You need to bring your A-game.

      lol, i'm afraid this is herb's "a-game". #clueless

    • excuse me? i have no reason to apologize. read what your own link says:

      An earlier version of this article stated that Israel had opened river dams in the south of the country, causing flooding in the Gaza strip.

      i never wrote "river dams" and even in my supporting explanation up there it says nothing about river dams. did you even bother to open the links i provided you? i'm not here as your personal researcher. if you refute this showing NO evidence you're even reading or responding to my source material you may have to just wait around til someone else is moderating to get your comment thru.

      maybe you're unaware of what a wadi is. try google, educate yourself before making a fool of yourself. and there are even GRAPHS at my pdf link, if you choose to open it.

      p.s. "honest reporting" my arse.

    • thanks just. amira hass is awesome. one of the best!

    • link to

      Other surface water

      In Gaza, the only source of surface water has been the Wadi Gaza. Since the early 1970s, Israel has built check dams,[16][17][18][19] and diverts part of its water for agricultural purposes within Israel prior to its arrival to Gaza.[20][21]

      and then they un-divert it in the worst of weather and flood the place.

      you can read more about it here: link to (pdf) by putting "dam" in the search function.

  • Israel has granted refugee status to 0.07% of African asylum seekers
    • I’m under the Impression that i’ve been deleted one too many times when i write of Judiasm & the ancient Judaic Clergy as to why World Jewry does what they having been influenced by the Clergy with strangulating laws & rules to live by from Ezra in 456BC till today. All documentation from 70AD to 800AD of the Torah

      ziusdra, why don't you contact phil and adam about that. i don't know anything about this topic therefore i have no way of knowing whether what you are writing is correct or how it applies to topics we're covering on this site. i have no way of knowing what expertise you bring into this commentary wrt religious history or the history of judaism. generally i just skip right over a comment (in your case literally hundreds you've posted here referencing this prehistoric era of judaism) once they stray off into a region of thought i am unfamiliar with UNLESS they are posted by an person who is not posting anonymously and their expertise can be verified.

      therefore, these comments (more times than not) just sit there til someone else comes along and decides to publish or trash them.

      they couldn’t even get along as Whites with Whites in Europe from 200BC to 1945AD

      my advice to you, take it somewhere else. otherwise write phil and adam. but my hunch is they know as much as i do about "the Clergy with strangulating laws & rules to live by from Ezra in 456BC" as i do. and one might think after having these kinds of comments deleted sooo many times you'd be able to figure this stuff out on your own. this pattern (of deleting your comments on religious history) is probably not going to be changing from our end. will it from yours?

      p.s. i would also xnay the "Zionstan" lingo if i was you.

  • Al Jazeera publishes leaked intelligence files showing Netanyahu lied about Iranian nuclear threat
    • very sad mooser. and like the excellent example published here recently ( link to ), and like so many we've published from kids (and/or ex kids) who had their "aha" moments, who grow up and realize they've been played and manipulated, incidents like these serve to shake the foundations of their belief systems. for whoever could look at these posters and believe they represented a student group on campus supported by so many people, is nuts. david horowitz is a fanatic. those who find common ground with him, his ilk and this kind of inflammatory hate speech, and support or empower his form of activism should be isolated and removed (suspended) from campus.

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    • i’m guessing one of the groups he was targetting found him out and that’s why he was force to make a confession.

      hmm, i was thinking perhaps one of the hillel students or even a bruins student felt they had a big fat target on their back and at risk of being blamed for this, found out it was horowitz and copped him out. all those kids are not evil. some of them might even believe the talking pts, that they are pro palestinian, pro israel, and pro peace. some are just young kids like 18. big dreamers, all it takes is one who wants to distance themselves from this deplorable messaging. all it takes is one.

      horowitz is a radical extremist, not mainstream and it's likely many of the young jewish students who self identify as 'liberal zionists' do not support this level of incitement. his message is extreme and it's also likely many jewish kids do not experience much (if any) jew hatred on their campus. horowitz is trying to start a meme and he doesn't care who he throws under a bus to make it stick. he shouldn't be allowed on campuses. he's a danger to society.

    • LOL, look at you with the fancy link ;)

  • Israel's new Asian allies
    • thanks train, that's some very interesting analysis.

    • The same poll found that of those who favored that the US take a side, the pro-Israel community outnumbered the pro-Palestinian community 29-2. You’re not going to move US policymakers if 2% of the population supports your cause.

      well of course. that's because the 33% who supported netanyahu's speech are all pro israel, so of course they would be the ones favoring israel over palestine. but don't assume the other 66%, the ones who would like the american gov to be neutral, don't pretend for one minute if they were asked to pick a side they would favor israel 29-2. there are a lot more americans who support palestine than 2%.

  • Congress flooded with letters urging members to #SkipTheSpeech of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu
    • Somehow I find the urge of Finestein, Dubin and other Democratic boot-lickers to somehow sanctify the Bibi visit almost more disgusting than the Boehner invitation.

      me too, for sure. to issue press released denouncing the invite and scold republicans (like minority leader pelosi did) and then turn around and say, in almost the same breath..but i won't boycott the speech...or i'll probably go, or even i'm not sure what i'm cowardly and just code for "i gotta go for that money gys, you know i'm owned and securing my job means more that representing my constituents." or , if "you want to know who i represent - for follow the money."

    • there has been a massive surge among white Republicans in the last 15 years or so.


    • and the recent CNN poll still said 63% of american didn't think netanyahu should have been invited to make the speech and 66% of americans said they were "neutral" on the i/p conflict.

      link to

      The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do. - See more at: link to
      But Americans overall believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 66% in the new poll advocating the U.S. remain neutral. Of those who do support picking a side, the majority, 29%, back Israel, while only 2% support Palestine…

      And a significant age gap suggests U.S. sentiment may, in the long term, be moving further in favor of neutrality in the conflict. While 56% of those age 50 or older believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian fight, that number skyrockets to 75% of Americans under age 50.

  • The 15 billion dollar deal that will make or break Israel's regional hegemony
    • Isn’t this article you called garbage just stating the obvious

      hm, not that i noticed. unless, by "stating the obvious" you mean reciting an economic statistics. but sometimes that term (stating the obvious) is used to reference the conclusion, otherwise thought of as "commentary."

      and, what i addressed in my comment, you did not address in your response, which is that obviously you're going to see such a wider discrepancy wrt income in a free society vs an imprisoned society under occupation. and OF COURSE you're going to see Palestinian sales to Israel accounted for about 81% of Palestinian exports when palestine is not allowed to export agriculture freely to europe or anywhere else that competes with israel. their produce gets stuck at border crossings for days until it rots, or haven't you heard? they are imprisoned.

      and look at the slight of hand: "Israeli sales to the Palestinian Authority were $4.3 billion"

      now notice they do not tell you how much palestine's sales to israel are. what's the number? they only give you a percentage and tell you us it's 81%. and they forget to mention that its israel who controls, approves, authorizes all palestinian imports and exports. they forget to tell you that palestinian companies would not get big tax breaks (like soda stream) to build a factory on their own land in the WB. because, for the most part, israel doesn't allow palestinian argiculture for export from the WB, unless they are working on an illegal israel settlement for a jewish master. there's no context in the article.

      that is what my comment was about. it had nothing to do with 'awareness certain actions connected to bds may hurt some individual Palestinians but in the long run worth it.'

    • mayhem wants palestinians to put the lotion in the basket

    • your article is literally a hasbara joke

      The numbers speak for themselves: Israel (population 8.3 million) has GDP of $291 billion, the Palestinian Territories (population 4.1 million), $11.3 billion. In 2012, Israeli sales to the Palestinian Authority were $4.3 billion, about 5% of Israeli exports (excluding diamonds) less than 2% of Israeli GDP, according to the Bank of Israel. In 2012, Palestinian sales to Israel accounted for about 81% of Palestinian exports and less than a percentage point of Israeli GDP. Palestinian purchases from Israel were two-thirds of total Palestinian imports (or 27% of Palestinian GDP).

      Such trade flow asymmetry shows Palestine needs Israel, economically speaking.

      maybe the author is unaware there is an occupation going on and lives under some illusion this is a free market. maybe they are not aware gaza's economy is at a stand still. maybe they think palestinians can pick and choose who to do business with. maybe they are not aware how much free resources israel steals from palestine on a daily basis, like water, quarries etc.

      i can't believe you take this piece of garbage seriously. it's another pro soda stream article. as if palestinians have a choice.

    • american, follow the trail link to

  • Inflammatory posters at UCLA call Students for Justice in Palestine 'Jew haters' (Updated)
    • So Annie, perhaps you can detail for me what it’s like to be a Jewish student at UCLA, or in general at campuses where BDS is in fashion.

      certainly i can't because jews don't think or act uniformly. however, i think i can imagine a jewish student affiliating themselves with a group that is politically oriented, either for or against bds, would feel uncomfortable around lots of people of a different ideology perhaps. but no more than any student being on the other side of a political debate when they are on the losing side.

      i would think that a jewish student who supported bds, being called a nazi collaborator (david horowitz claim) and harassed by fellow students for that would be awful. but that's a little out of my league.students who support zionism are between a rock and a hard place. but that's not because they are jewish, it's because they are zionists.

    • Jews on campus don’t owe anyone anything.

      99% of them maybe. all it takes is one tho hops. every person is responsible for his or her actions. LA is not a hostile place for jews (in general) nor is UCLA. they are close to 20% of the student body according to hillel and very jew friendly. you can't lasso every jew on that campus and pretend you're their defender because you're not. and you can't lasso all of them as representing zionists, or zionism representing them because zionism does not. and you can't pretend they all took a hit because of a fight over a politicized student council meeting that never should have gone in that direction, ever. and, had zionism not reared its ugly head it might never have.

      i don't know what happened at that meeting or why but this did not happen to every jew on campus. btw, our tax dollars pay for that school, like all UC campuses. and for 2% of the population i don't hear anyone moaning about one ethnicity being represented to the tune of 15-20% of the kids. this is not "unfriendly" it's very friendly. i'm not interested in your victimhood hops. you can make any child paranoid if you work at it.

      what gives me the right to have the opinion i have? common sense that's what. LA, like NYC, is jew friendly. so is SF. yes, there are definitely extremists zionists there and i am sure they exist on that campus too. like i said, it only takes one or a few nutcases. i really can't think of any specific ethnic american that would feel more comfortable in LA then jews. not muslims, hispanics, latinos, gays, a combo of all of the above, asians, blacks, native american, non specific white people (yeah, we stub our toes too and cry about it) etc etc you name it. you choose a shitty political position, expect people to avoid you like the plague. that's normal. people w/opposing political ideologies generally don't kumbaya together. get over it. don't expect to hang w/the cool kids when you stand up and defend war criminals and mass murders. bummer!

    • thanks dan, " the epidemic of Jew hatred on college campuses"

      what epidemic?

    • across the US? first of all, it's not apparent it is a nazi poster. i would not of known. second, it really does remind me of the slaughter in gaza last summer. third, SJP has not established a reputation for being anti-semitic, stand with us and their ideological opponents are trying to establish they are anti semitic, and for the most part failing miserably. from your link:

      The SJP Vassar General Body issued an apology on May 11 over the Nazi propaganda, saying, “We want to make it excruciatingly clear that we are sorry to anyone we offended because we did not vet the original posters of some of the content we reblogged close enough this past week, and only focused on the content.”

      “We understand that the sources, no matter the content, can be triggering to many in our audience. We will definitely do better, as that is what y’all deserve. We have removed the posts, and will do our best not to make a similar mistake!”

      In a second apology, the group blamed the social media manager for taking unilateral steps, adding, “We condemn any and all hate speech including any form of anti-Semitism and we are deeply sorry several offensive posts were made in SJP Vassar’s name.”

    • my tweet on this added "what desperate racist loser thought this up?" i find it interesting no one is admitting they put these poster up, especially since they (people like stand with us and practically every pro israel commenter and the hasbara campaign of claiming anti zionism is anti semitism) have no qualms about claiming sjp are jew haters and anti zionists are jew haters. but they put it on a poster and then hide? oh sure, nobody at bruins would do a thing like that or any other student. right. they slink around in the middle of the night and post this inflammatory crap and hide.

      this really shows what they are made of. and of course, the image has nothing to do w/SJP. it's a branding insinuating the SJP are murders. i just can't wait for jeff to come along and justify this/not. or better yet claim it's the fault of anti zionists.

      the only thing this does is make jewish students unsafe, because even those people know all or most or even 95% of jewish students would not put up those posters, how many condone it? we know who it's supposedly representing (jewish victimhood). it's gross. there's only so much jewish victimhood the average person can stomach and the chances there is as much reason for a jewish student to feel afraid at UCLA, especially compared to a muslim student, considering there's an entire islamophobic industry right in hollywood next door, is....i don't even have a word for it. all of this, it's just too much.

  • Racism is in the air: Video showing racist exchange between Israelis and a flight attendant goes viral
    • tal, you claimed there are "hundreds" of examples. and yet you chose one in which i cited someone else (who himself was citing a psychologist) and then attributed it to me. it is not my wording and you know that.

      you completed that comment and continued the sentence.

      it's extremely common here and everywhere else on the internet to copy and paste the phrase used one is referencing. are you trying to make the case you could fairly quote me as saying

      "you completed that comment and continued the sentence. it's extremely common here and everywhere else on the internet to copy and paste the phrase used one is referencing."

      because obviously that's not an honest quote of what i said. i'm merely asking you to be accurate. and anyone who's tried to copy paste from mondoweiss knows very well it always comes with a url for the original. so, clearly you grabbed a comment from over 5 years ago, mangled the formatting, and purposely erased the source url so the context was erased. certainly you can do better than that!!!

      that means that you took the comment and elaborated it.

      yes i did. i took someone else's idea, and since i was quoting them i used their punctuation (which was not mine) and i elaborated with my own thoughts regarding what was stated. but it is not one sentence the way you copied it. nor did the idea or thought originate with me. it's dishonest.

      You hate Israelis, you hate me and you haven’t even met me.

      i don't hate you in the least. really, you're placing way too much importance on yourself. i wouldn't ever consider hating you, why would i allow you to have that kind of power over my soul. you have no idea what you are talking about and you do not know me at all. i really can't figure out why you would come up with such an absurd assertion. i stated elsewhere in this thread "i’d suggest you click on my comment archives (click my name above this very comment)and do a search under “hate”. - See more at: link to"

      clearly, you didn't. my feelings on the topic of hatred are quite clear, it corrodes the person who hates.

      i don't hate hops, anyone or anything. i couldn't do what i do if i hated. i believe hate eats away at the host, so it's really not my thing. i've discussed this a few times on MW
      link to

      Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it.
      Martin Luther King Jr.

      Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.
      Martin Luther King Jr.

      Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man’s sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.
      Martin Luther King Jr.

      Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars… Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
      Martin Luther King Jr.

      Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.
      Martin Luther King Jr.

      something told me if i googled martin luther king and ‘hate’ it might bring clarity. shall i try gandhi anyone?

      and more recently: link to

      nice try tho, but your 'hate' lingo bounces right off me, definitely not my bag.

      and the last link in that blockquote leads here:

      c&d, american, i can accept that you hate israel because i refuse to live in denial, but it is not acceptable to me that you hate. it's bad for your mental health. you will be a stronger warrior for peace if you can rid your heart of hate. i believe that.

      good luck.

      this is not a new position of mine, it is part of my philosophy of life and it's been with me my whole life it was the way i was raised and the way i raised my child.

      i think you're spamming the entered the thread and stated myself and others had "hate for Jews and Israel". take it somewhere else. good bye.

    • just to be clear, the conversation went like this: link to in response to p.g's comment "According to Avigail Abarbanel" (her theory)

      Israelis NEED violence

      like an addiction to sustain itself. its the perpetual lie that enables the expansion, without which israel would have to face its culpability.

      or perhaps you can better explain how the founding and subsequent expansion of the state could/would have occurred. either way, i was responding to someone else's remarks which included the phrase "Israelis NEED violence". and, since i placed it in italics, it was not, officially, my quote. it was a quote i responded to.

      and, a more thoughtful reading would conclude that the meaning here is "it's the perpetual lie" (of israeli "security" violence/always in response or reaction - always the victim) that is the addiction, without which israel would have to face its culpability.

      perhaps you could provide another example, without mangling the formatting and attributing a quote (from someone else i cited) to me instead, to make your case.

      and thank you bornajoo, for coming to my defense.

    • You Zio-supremacists really can’t help yourselves, can you

      it's a sign of desperation eljay. the one-stop , one-size-fits-all fall back position. accuse the opponent of hatred. it's low-ball arguing. the worse ad hominem on the block (for what is worse than hate?) . david horowitz type slander. but it won't work.

    • a beef with the state of Israel, more specifically with all Israelis.

      hmmm, think again. in my position here at mondowiess i have he wonderful honor of working with the best israel has to offer in terms of people, every day! in fact 2 of them sent me this video. so you'll just have to find another line of hasbara. i have also been there, and again, met some wonderful people and dedicated activists.

      there is nothing I can say to persuade you

      you got that right. i'd suggest you click on my comment archives (click my name above this very comment)and do a search under "hate". my feelings on that topic were spelled out years ago, they have not changed. you took a shot in the dark and > #fail

    • just, this is instructive:

      “The curses and beating of the flight attendant continues. Anyone who doesn’t understand that the occupation, the way Palestinians are treated, have a direct link to the brutalization of Israeli society is simply closing their eyes,” he continues.

      “You can’t occupy a civilian population for nearly fifty years and remain a model society, a light unto the nations,” Nanous concludes.

      and i doubt i "inspired" ali abuminah, but that's very sweet of you.

    • thank you zaid, excellent video. especially the school children.

    • yes that's it just, thank you

    • speaking of which, remember that article by david sheen with all those teen girls taking selfies of themselves bragging on their own racism? outrageous.

    • stupid enough to immortalize it with selfies or cell phone video

      i don't think it was stupid to take this video. it was likely taken by another flight attendant. not everyone in israel is rude (i've been there, they are not all rude). maybe it was taken by someone tired of this sort of abuse. see the quote from haaretz above.

    • that's my understanding too. maybe chocolate is more expensive in israel and it's a hot duty free item.

    • i am? and what to make of +972, ynet, jpost and haaretz? are they too using it to demonize an entire nation?

    • they did this to gaza last year american. fida wrote about it for us.

    • Like Bennett’s campaign slogan – no apologies.

      yeah that's what i thought of, just wrote that before i saw your comment.

    • bryan, i think part of it is a sort of badge of honor bestowed on the rude for being a non-sucker (as i recall, there is a hebrew word for sucker, and nobody wants to be one - or something). even to the point of naftali bennett's election commercial 'don't apologize' (paraphrasing) w/numerous little scenarios of dupes being duped. it encourages the rude. but i don't think, as you say, that it "utterly permeates society, from the highest ambassador of the nation to the lowliest budget tourist heading for Bulgaria", there are some israelis who are polite and nice and caring and probably a few who don't believe "everyone hates you and seeks your imminent destruction ".

      i think it probably started w/the idea of building the new hebrew man (tough)... an idea that sort of went hand in hand with zionism back in the early days. and then it was probably compounded by justifying the actions of the state.

  • Netanyahu flips off Harry Truman
    • OT
      philemon, here's your shmuel update. he's inundated with work. writing 2 books, article and teaching.. and "When things get back to a normal pace, MW is at the top of my to-do list". iow, he'll be back!

    • no weapons from the United States during its War of Independence.

      that's not what i heard. didn't they get lots of of ww2 surplus?

    • alliosn and ifamericansknew are essential elements of the movement in america to free palestine and have been for years. most recently: link to

  • Jewish groups that blindly support Israel make US and European Jews potential victims of violence -- Avnery
    • the Arab world adopted the fundamental tenets of Christian anti-semitism during the 1920s through Hasan al-Banna with the birth of the Muslim Brotherhood which reshaped the new anti-semitic political doctrine of Islamism that is rampant today.

      source? nothing to do w/zionism of course.


    • genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world.

      you're reading way too much hasbara.

  • How two Palestinian Americans plan to PIVOT the world
    • Asma, how wonderful you stopped by and the pleasure has all been mine, really. as you know i've been watching the results everyday. so excited you've reached 1/2 your target already with still a month to go. a big thanks to you and sami .


    • i swear just, i had a mohammed assaf moment when i first read about this. maybe i already said that. y'know, when you first read about something and the reaction is so strong it's physical. i just knew it was the beginning of something big. really big, bigger than 30k that's for sure.

      there's more coming. very shortly. i'm beyond thrilled.

    • really exciting news i wanted to share with everyone. pivot's kickstarter tipped over 10k last night and they still have 31 days to go. link to

      i'm so thrilled! thanks to everyone who's been so supportive, your good vibes have helped rock this project even if you can't afford to donate. the energy in this comment section has been wonderful.

    • exciting, check this out: the palestine center reblogged this article here: link to

      and at the end they added Check out Asma Jaber's presentation on PIVOT at The Palestine Center, and posted the video of an hour long presentation from last october. i can't wait to watch it, don't have time right now but i will definitely get to it.

      link to

      also, good news. they have gotten closer to their goal (which is to be expected because it's really a rad mobile app), still a long ways to go but with 30 days remaining my hopes are very high. thanks to everyone who has donated thus far. every little bit helps.

    • cool hops

    • heavens dickerson, that blows me away, sweetest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. thank you ;)

    • ha! yes of course that thought crossed my mind. ;) really gorgeous and talented couple inside and out. i can't recall at the moment which one of them said it but whichever, they said they met on the "cusp of the diaspora". and in the article i only very briefly alluded to the array of circumstances that occurred that day ("if she had not missed that bus earlier") which all worked in such an extraordinary alignment to facilitate their chance meeting.

      another thing, i had never heard of travelers rest SC before. but there's something beautiful in that name and the idea of a place to settle from a long journey. so i googled the town and looked at the landscape and imagined how a palestinian (her father) might choose to recreate palestine for his children there on that spot. then, with no reference to travelers rest at all, on their pivot site it says "There’s something truly spectacular in the way a weary traveler is guided - in how his/her destination is pre-determined and colored by the paths and stories paved by generations before. "'s like cosmic or something.

      once i saw the video at the kickstarter (and the brief mention of how they met on the border in the same spot her father was exiled) i became curious about that. i'm sure it wasn't what they expected to talk about in the interview. but not being a tech person myself (i don't even have a cell phone) it was the idea i loved so i wanted to know the beginning. and it just became more of a miracle. so many things about the story make it dreamlike and magical, it would make a wonderful movie. especially if PIVOT soars.

      and one more thing, the first thing i thought when i read about pivot was how much i would so love to pivot mill valley, the town i was raised. it is such a great idea because a group of people from a town (like a classroom) could collect archives from their own town and use the technology record their own history. and when you're walking around a place that has been "pivoted" the app would make a buzz when you're at a spot and you can stop and pivot around! i just love it! of course this would be way down the road, a "stretch goal" but it's easy to imagine where this could go globally.

    • that poem is so beautiful just.

    • i'm glad you both like it just and bintbiba. i'll tell you the hardest drafts to work on are the ones where my heart is really in ti. i love this project, i totally love the energy behind it, i totallt see the potential for what it means for palestine and i really think something we all have in common, especially after our loved ones die, of how important it is, instinctually, to preserve our time, our era and our heritage. this is why i think pivot has huge potential. it's a beautiful story.

  • 'Large group' of indigenous Indians are cleared to immigrate to Israel and convert to Judaism
  • In Their Own Words: Four residents of Yarmouk speak
    • In the Wikipedia article on the Syrian Opposition, it does list many parties that are secular or moderate. However, perhaps those secular democratic forces might not represent many fighters on the ground? link to

      w.jones. this is the situation there, for years. remember hilary clinton and her proxy gov of alleged moderates? they didn't have soldiers who followed their orders, etc. the effective forces of the opposition have primarily always been of the jihadist variety (just like assad claimed all along). people have been saying that for years.

    • Jews are not moving to Israel as part of a “right of return”.

      link to
      Israeli nationality law

      Israeli nationality law[1] defines the terms in which a person can be granted citizenship of Israel. It also deals with the Right of Return for Jewish diaspora. In general, Israel's nationality follows jus sanguinis as the primary mechanism through which a person may obtain citizenship, rather than jus soli.

      maybe you should read it.

  • Netanyahu claims to know 'details' of Iran deal -- and State Dep't mocks him
    • And if he is so all-seeing as he likes to brag, then he would of course know that Iran is no threat to Israel

      jwp, your comment reminds me of a very revealing statement by daniella plekta VP of the infamous neocon American Enterprise Institute

      The biggest problem for the United States is not Iran getting a nuclear weapon and testing it, it’s Iran getting a nuclear weapon and not using it. Because the second that they have one and they don’t do anything bad, all of the naysayers are going to come back and say, “See, we told you Iran is a responsible power. We told you that Iran wasn’t getting nuclear weapons in order to use them immediately…” And they will eventually define Iran with nuclear weapons as not a problem. - See more at: link to

      it's the idea of balance of power. it's the idea that israel must reign supreme as the most powerful military force in the ME. the threat is not physical. like in the wizard of oz, it's manipulating what people believe to be true.

    • His predecessor at CentCom, Gen. David Petraeus, told Congress that in 2010, stating in testimony that the perception that the U.S. favors Israel in the longtime Israel-Palestine conflict was among the "root causes" of instability in the region and an obstacle to security,
      "As such, progress toward resolving the political disputes in the Levant, particularly the Arab-Israeli conflict, is a major concern for CENTCOM," Petraeus stated in his testimony.

  • Hate in the aftermath of Chapel Hill
    • you might have a point if mentioning that it "might have been driven by dislike of Muslims" was evidence of non-islamophobia, but since it isn't, it proves nothing. a majority of msm coverage in this country as it pertains to stereotypes, palestinians, terrorism, muslims, israel, palestine, palestinians, israelis, and arabs, is islamophobic imho.

  • NY City Council trip to Israel leaves out occupied Palestine
    • will do philemon

      edit, done. let's cross our fingers. i miss him around here.

    • no i have not walid, maybe i should. i know he will be back. i like to give people space ... assuming they have personal lives. i will write him tho and make sure he's ok. i miss him around here, how could we not....?

    • there are some awesome israeli jews, some of them send us lots of leads too.

  • Leaked e-mails show that Israeli consulate, StandWithUs tried to thwart Northwestern divestment (Updated)
    • concluded that the sole and legal owner of Judea and Samaria was Israel.

      steven, that's a completely lie. the court did not say israel was the legal owner of palestine, they said as the occupying power they had jurisdiction to run the light rail. whether one agrees with that is another story, but the conclusion of the court was not that israel owned the land.

      link to
      Jerusalem tramway: French justice rules out the legal action against Alstom


      The French association “France-Palestine” started in February 2007 a legal action in France against the Jerusalem tramway project and decided to sue Alstom on the motive of a violation of the international law for having provided the rolling stock of this tramway system. “France-Palestine” lost its case in first instance in front of a French court and finally lost again its last legal recourse on 22 March 2013 in front of the Versailles court of appeal.

      In its ruling, the court states that “France Palestine” was not allowed to bring an action for challenging the breach of the international rule in the case. In addition the Court determined that Alstom, Alstom Transport SA and Veolia Transport was not responsible for breach of international rules, including human international rules or UN Global Compact, whilst performing their contract for the construction of the tramway of Jerusalem.

      Alstom reminds that it has signed, within a consortium, the Jerusalem contract in November 2002, following a call for tenders launched in June 2000. It is only in February 2007, about 5 years after the signature of the contract that "France-Palestine" decided to initiate its legal challenge which has been eventually rejected. Alstom always refused and still refuses that the company could be used to feed disputes in which the company is not concerned. Alstom is an ethical company, complying with all its obligations, including the respect for the international law.

    • citizen, here's some background on the trade deal link to

    • Members of the coalition debated about whether to include a call to “end the occupation” in their statement of values. Ultimately, they decided against it

      that's hysterical.

  • How Uncle Ibrahim protected the village lands
    • every word and every sentence is precious. it is such a pleasure to read this and everything you write Hatim. we're so lucky to have this jewel from Chief Complaint here. and a big thanks to Helena and Just World Books.

      plus, i love the video!

  • My invitation to speak at Hebrew Union College
    • here it is on the timeline link to

      November 13, 1997 | 105th Congress - The Hate Crimes Prevention Act is introduced in the House and the Senate. The bill would extend the protection of the current federal hate crimes law to include those who are victimized because of their sexual orientation, gender or disability. It would also strengthen current law regarding hate crimes based on race, religion and national origin.

      first mention of "national origin" was in '97, over 8 years after the initial hate crime legislation was passed.

      edit here's something from the adl (pdf) link to

      The core of the ADL legal approach is a "penalty-enhancement" concept. In a landmark decision issued in June 1993, the United States Supreme Court unanimously upheld the constitutionality of Wisconsin's penalty-enhancement hate crimes statute, which was based
      on the ADL model. Expressions of hate protected by the First Amendment's free speech clause are not criminalized. However, criminal activity motivated by hate is subject to a stiffer sentence. A defendant's sentence may be enhanced if he intentionally selects his
      victim based upon his perception of the victim's race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation or gender.3

      so i am not sure when that was added, but i don't think it's on the original legislation.

    • american, your comment got my attention and to be truthful i have not been following this ongoing friction between you and mooser. i don't have time to follow everything and right now we're backed up on comments.

      but i did start to read it and noticed this:

      If you were attacked for instance for being jewish it would be in the FBI statistics under a religious hate crime , not as ethnic or race.

      link to
      ”Crime reported to the FBI involve those motivated by biases based on race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, and disability”

      my recollection is some american jews wanted to be added, as a group, to one of the categories for hate crimes and after the crime was already defined lobbied for a addition of "national origin", so they would fall into the "as a people" category which i think was tacked onto the definition of the crime. we are backed up on our regular morning stuff here, i can research it later. but that's my recollection.

      the other stuff, i will pay more attention to. don't go anywhere for heavens sakes.

    • amazing american, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    • Thank you so much Rev. Shipman, for honoring us with this article about your evening. how very interesting and strange the subject matter the evening was designed to explore was seemingly avoided at all cost.

      and your letter, the concise brevity as well as the truth of it i have admired since i first read it. indeed it's not difficult to comprehend why your letter went unmentioned in your introduction. lest people discuss it and discover, tho perhaps difficult to listen, how one might reasonably expect the outcome it portends.

      again, it's truly an honor to read your writing here.

  • White House suggests Israel is lying about Iran talks-- as Obama officials shun Netanyahu
    • if there's a rapprochement with iran (please please please oh lord) you better believe it won't go silently into the night by israel. for at least until the end of obama's presidency things will be very chilly. and that's just enough time to really throw a wrench into the next election cycle in terms of congresspeople putting their cards on the table either for what's best for america and against the lobby, or the other way around. so exciting.

    • i just love this! obama called their bluff. israel took a stab in the dark and started floating rumors by spicing it with just enough possible truth to require a denial, response or that it be addressed daring the WH. grist for israel's mill! building the narrative in order to double down and use whatever specifics arising from the denials to present as fodder for netanyahu's upcoming speech and to drown out the loud roars of discontent emanating from all quarters over that speech.

      and low and behold the WH comes out and suggests israel is lying. i so love this.

    • MS. PSAKI: I wouldn’t look at it in those terms. I believe the Vice President’s attending the inauguration for the new Government of Panama, I believe…


      QUESTION: I just remember being with the Secretary at the inauguration of the Panamanian prime minister a few months ago.

      MS. PSAKI: Perhaps that’s not the right information. I’m sure you can check the Vice President’s schedule on his website.

      QUESTION: Might you invent a country that he could go to if there isn’t any – (laughter) —

      that's so funny!

  • Israel sentences Palestinian teen Lina Khattab to 6 months in prison for protesting
    • over 99% but this very same conviction rate applies to ALL courts in the Israeli judicial system.

      i didn't know that but even if it's true, it's only applicable if palestinians had the same rights as israeli jews when they are arrested. for a youth that would mean the attendance of the parents or lawyer. it would require a similar pattern of who, or how many get convicted for the same crime (do settlers get arrested for throwing stones, do they get arrested or murders for running over palestinian children -no-they walk away, it is called an "accident") do israeli jews have to sign confessions in a language they do not understand? no. like the killer of mike brown who never was convicted, there was no court where representatives of the victim could question the accused. the prosecutor chose not to convict. so there is no parity here.

    • Imprisoning somebody who doesn’t deserve it would only invite....

      uh huh. so following logically everyone languishing in israeli jails deserves to be there? mayhem, you're preaching to the wrong audience here. nobody buys that crap.

    • "most definitely not the case" eh! whoa, and big mr. mayhem has got the inside scoop from to the mossad and shin bet too.

      ha! like anyone should believe you know know the truth of it. israel has a penchant for imprisoning the young and the talented. 99 times out of 100 it has nothing to do w/guilt. what's there conviction rate anyway, 99.7% or something last i checked.

    • How can Khattab be referred to as a teen when she is old enough to vote?

      teenagers vote. Eyal Yifrah was widely reported as a teen. did you object to that? no.

  • One-state 'fantasy is very dangerous' because it cannot tell us what the military looks like -- Manekin
    • oh they'll notice. ;) they might try responding in drunken pg!

    • i agree walid, and i don't think larry meant it literally just because settlers rammed their cars into so many palestinian children last year.

    • link to

      it's been around forever and probably most popularly used by parents talking to eachother in earshot of the little kids. (like: ets-ley uch-fay, or where did you put the oclate-chey? or is there enough ice-nay eam-cray for the ids-kay?) there are several variations. i'm not that proficient but it doesn't take long to figure it out. and once the older kids understand the parents talk to them in 'secret code' in front of the younger kids. my dad specialized in it, always with a wink-nod.

    • boys, can we stop this please? mooser, let it go.

    • you had to look up ixnay? you don't speak pig latin? it's the only foreign language i can follow.

    • zzzzzzz

    • larry said mooser should get run over by a bus! LOL, fantastical crazy!

    • that was actually a bit of a joke, probably in poor taste. and i didn't mean to imply that all or even most brooklyn's jews were responsible for the settlements. of course adelson&cohorts that fill the coffers of congresspeople. i shouldn't have been flippant.

      i cited brooklyn because chabad is located there and so many of the homes being stolen from palestinians are being filled with brooklynites fresh off the plane. when i was there as a witness to people getting thrown out of there home and living on the sidewalk the group of jews w/a gaggle of kids occupying the palestinians home were all from brooklyn, they had been flown in just days before. vetted for the job i am sure, and probably well compensated.

    • there is no reason to link settler colonialism / mass migration which does not have external state support with systems that do have an external state support.

      the definition you liked didn't say anything about "external state support with systems...etc", it said "by a political power from another territory" (which btw does have "external state support" from the US). the political power from another territory is represented by american zionists from brooklyn, and other places like that.

      early Zionists draining swamps is not as relevant to israel colonial theft today as early Zionists diverting water from the jordan river at the sea of galilee and ripping off palestinina riparian rights.

    • jeff, the population of lebanon is only about 5 million people, right now they have over 1 million syrian refugees. they are an amazingly generous people, the lebanese.

      Lebanon I agree has a problem though they might want the Christians.


    • Start with Israel, everyone knows it’s the worst.

      maybe not presently, but chronologically it's the first, so why not start there? currently it's the longest running hostile occupation on the planet. it makes all the sense in the world to end it. you're just throwing whataboutery into the mix for hasbara/distraction.

      and that's reality.

    • phil's right, we should all try to be more civil, more often. i'm sorry you felt uncomfortable larry.

    • I absolutely agree with Manekin’s observation.

      i don't. and this is silly:

      I’ve never read one op-ed or policy paper or book which asks what a military will look like in a one-state context. And if one can’t envision how I can be secure with my family or how Palestinians can be secure with their family– so I don’t think it’s fair to even call that a solution. -

      just because Manekin has not read one book on it doesn't mean it can't be envisioned. i can envision it very well.

      I agree with your suggestion that the IDF should include Palestinian citizens of Israel. I think Israel should draft them. However, how do you think the Palestinian citizens would react? Would they welcome serving in the IDF? When ever I have raised this with pro-Palestinian people, they beg off and say the Israeli Palestinians can’t serve and shouldn’t serve

      oh really, you're buttressing your opinion by allegations pro palestinian people agree with you. well, i am pro palestinian, don't i count? I think in a free state with equal rights the military should include Palestinian citizens at the very top level. in fact i can well imagine if 1/2 the top brass of the military were filled with palestinian heroes, people like marwan barghouti, you'd see an influx of palestinians signing up.

      and if those leaders just disciplined or kicked out of the military any underlings that displayed animosity or worse toward those they were serving with, regardless of whether they were palestinians or jews, things would stabilize fairly quickly. as for how palestinian citizens would react, it would be a damn site better than what they deal with now, an all jewish army. i think it's the jews you'd have to worry about. they are so used to their privilege they don't want to give it up. but you can't cater to the bully. just throw them in jail. israel knows all about that, they do it to palestinians all the time. they're very proficient at it. heck, start dragging away the little jewish children in the middle of the night* and their parents would snap to sooner than you'd imagine. israel knows how that works, as i stated they're very proficient at it.

      although i wouldn't advise torturing the kids. not nice.

      and if any of those settlers start using the settlements as a base of operation, just go in and solve it the israeli way, mow the grass.**

      * not serious
      ** not serious

    • The Israeli Jews have already walked away from Palestinian labor during the 2nd intifada -

      After the first intifada in the late 80s and early 90s, Israel started restricting the number of Palestinians seeking work in Israel and introduced a stricter permit system. It made a
      distinction between “green card” ID holders (residents of the West Bank and Gaza) and
      “blue card” ID holders or permanent residents of Jerusalem.

      what we see is that Israel looks absolutely nothing like the typical anti-colonialist comparison.

      that's sort of irrelevant. as irrelevant as saying israel apartheid doesn't look like south african apartheid. but as everyone knows, if it fits the definition of the crime of apartheid, then it applies. here's what colonialism is: link to

      the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

      and there you have it.

      again: link to

      Colonialism is the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colony in one territory by a political power from another territory. It is a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous population.

    • larry, there are a lot of comments on this thread (too many to count) addressing the topic and some responding directly to you, the most of them do not include ad hominem attacks or personal insults. for the most part i stopped commenting on +972 because the comment section has many overtly hostile insulting posters. it's been awhile, maybe it's better now.

      perhaps mooser was put off you didn't respond to him upthread. his delivery can be off putting but he has a point:

      “Just, I think the situation can be resolved reasonably well with a (sane) Jewish state”

      That’s great! Do you happen to have one handy? Look, for what, 60 years now Israel has been telling us how great they are doing, and what a great Jewish State they are building. I don’t think they are insane, they are exactly where everything they have been doing, on purpose and with their eyes open could reasonably be expected to bring them. So if you’ve got some other Israel stashed away, one with a different founding, history, and present, man, don’t hold out on us! Bring it on!

      - See more at: link to

      yes, of course the situation could be resolved reasonably well with a (sane) Jewish state. but's not that israel or israelis cannot act sane on occasion, it's that where it matters, for peace, they do not compromise. there's no indication israel takes the violent settler issue, or the settlement expansion, seriously. it's not even an issue in the election.

      i think you have a point wrt global warming. but i don't think waiting around for global warming is a course of action. i understand your ptv, no confidence in 2SS and even less in 1SS. both would be a huge problem ironing out.

      this is why it makes the most sense, because our politicians are not going to force either of these things happen, to just keep demanding equal rights and pressure israel. after decades what's apparent is that israel won't agree to anything with carrots. they just don't scream as much. but we've never tried sticks. bds is non violent sticks. it's the nicest form of sticks there is. and we should try it.

      what can israel do? mow the grass? they wil do that anyway. invade and bomb lebanon? they will do that anyway. build more settlements? they will do that anyway. and as they do all these things they will say the world hates them and go look at syria instead, that we are anti semites.

      but unlike the last century we have the internet now. and in this country the more people who notice israel for what it is (deeply flawed apartheid state) the more difficult it will be for americans to notice our congress does not reflect the will of the people. that is inevitable.

      and then people will ask why. the answer to that question is not pretty. sane jews are not in ascendancy here in the US either, tho i do believe there are more of them. so let's talk about the extremists. especially the ones in power. what to do with them? starve them out? i have no idea. but global warming won't wipe them out. as the little people all we can do is keep pressuring israel and let the chips fall where they may. but the result, the backlash, will not be because of anti semitism. the only alternative is to do nothing. let me ask you, if it was reversed and israelis were being mowed down for decades and lived under a brutal occupation with no rights (individuals hauled off in the middle of the night with regularity) and i told you the likely solution would come from global warming or suggesting flipping insane people into sane people, what course of action would you suggest?

      assuming "wait" or "nothing" (or sending a foreign army in to 'rescue the jews') is not an option.

    • pixel, we had this discussion a long time ago, and i think settled on the name of jerusalem. it works well for everyone.

    • You are absolutely right that Israel would quickly choose war over dissolving the state.

      ha! scott never said anything about dissolving the state. you know, it's doesn't add credence to your opinion by suggesting it was initiated by a respected contributor.

    • Annie, the U.S. doesn’t fight Mexico

      not anymore. link to

      All Mexico

      After the election of Polk, but before he took office, Congress approved the annexation of Texas. Polk moved to occupy a portion of Texas which had declared independence from Mexico in 1836, but was still claimed by Mexico. This paved the way for the outbreak of the Mexican-American War on April 24, 1846. With American successes on the battlefield, by the summer of 1847 there were calls for the annexation of "All Mexico", particularly among Eastern Democrats, who argued that bringing Mexico into the Union was the best way to ensure future peace in the region.[46]

      This was a controversial proposition for two reasons. First, idealistic advocates of manifest destiny like John L. O'Sullivan had always maintained that the laws of the United States should not be imposed on people against their will. The annexation of "All Mexico" would be a violation of this principle. And secondly, the annexation of Mexico was controversial because it would mean extending U.S. citizenship to millions of Mexicans. Senator John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, who had approved of the annexation of Texas, was opposed to the annexation of Mexico, as well as the "mission" aspect of manifest destiny, for racial reasons. He made these views clear in a speech to Congress on January 4, 1848:

      We have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind, of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race.... We are anxious to force free government on all; and I see that it has been urged ... that it is the mission of this country to spread civil and religious liberty over all the world, and especially over this continent. It is a great mistake.[47]

      This debate brought to the forefront one of the contradictions of manifest destiny: on the one hand, while identitarian ideas inherent in manifest destiny suggested that Mexicans, as non-whites, would present a threat to white racial integrity and thus were not qualified to become Americans, the "mission" component of manifest destiny suggested that Mexicans would be improved (or "regenerated", as it was then described) by bringing them into American democracy. Identitarianism was used to promote manifest destiny, but, as in the case of Calhoun and the resistance to the "All Mexico" movement, identitarianism was also used to oppose manifest destiny.[48] Conversely, proponents of annexation of "All Mexico" regarded it as an anti-slavery measure.[49]

      The controversy was eventually ended by the Mexican Cession, which added the territories of Alta California and Nuevo México to the United States, both more sparsely populated than the rest of Mexico. Like the All Oregon movement, the All Mexico movement quickly abated.

      Historian Frederick Merk, in Manifest Destiny and Mission in American History: A Reinterpretation (1963), argued that the failure of the All Oregon and All Mexico movements indicates that manifest destiny had not been as popular as historians have traditionally portrayed it to have been. Merk wrote that, while belief in the beneficent mission of democracy was central to American history, aggressive "continentalism" were aberrations supported by only a minority of Americans, All of them Democrats, well it was opposed by Whigs and some Democrats. Thus the Democrats of Louisiana opposed annexation of Mexico,[50] while those in Mississippi supported it.[51]

    • no we're just short staffed. watch them start rolling in of you don't believe me.

    • Even if Israel becomes “Isratine,” on the other side of its borders are still going to be Arab countries, and those are the countries Isratine’s army is going to be training to fight, guarding the borders against, spying on, etc.

      we share a border with mexico and there are lots of mexican americans in our army. even from the beginning the arab countries didn't fight with israel merely because it's jewish. it has to do with the way israel acts towards those neighbors and those neighbors lands, and the way israel acts towards palestinians and palestinian land. if israel's actions changed and it became a country of all it's citizens it would probably act differently towards it's neighbors.

      But the Arabs of Israel would have at least as hard a time serving in the army as the Jews would have with them serving.

      for awhile.

  • Stanford re-votes, divestment passes in a landslide victory
    • oh yeah impressive/not

      fox news: "Pro-Palestinian students bring hate, intimidation to campus, critics say"

      we already know critics say that. these are all the lil hillel kids claiming victimhood again.

      and that staged video is proof of nothing.

      so that would be a no, you have nothing.

      btw, you "liveleak", the source is link to

      even they have pulled the post. "page not found". #Fail

      that means the kids probably fabricated the story.

    • double standard, if you have any evidence to provide to support your insinuation SJP or any groups supporting divestment on campus practice intimidation or any form of anti semitism on campus in the promotion of BDS, i really hope you present it to us because i will be the first to make a stink about it.

    • and here's one more

      this is from local staff journo: "Stanford senior, libertarian columnist for The @Stanford_Daily, staff writer for The @StanfordReview"

    • john, i was watching the live stream of the original senate meeting and vote, including constant updates on the twitter hashtag #stanforddivest when the horrifying news began flowing in thru social media about the chapel hill executions. i'm not sure we covered the first vote here the next day (i think not) and understandably circumstances of the first vote (9-4 with one abstention, not enough for 2/3 majority) was buried due to the overwhelming shock and grief reverberating throughout the community.

      i know for myself i could write or report anything i was so devastated. anyway, if you check the hashtag link to (make sure "by all" not "top") and scroll you can read live reactions during the first meeting.

    • oh, plus israel supporters lied in their testimony to the senate and one point claiming stanford divest "hated" israel. they made numerous intimidating inflammatory statements and accusations.

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