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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20
  • The threat of sanctions worked against Israel in 1956 -- and it can work again
    • Saeb Erikeit PLO Ambassador to the US says that it is a shame that the US is arming Israel to wage this massacre.

      speaking of which:

      The United States has allowed Israel, waging an offensive in the Gaza Strip, to tap a local US arms stockpile in the past week to resupply it with grenades and mortar rounds, Rear Admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon's press secretary, has said.

      The munitions were located inside Israel as part of a programme managed by the US military and called War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I), which stores munitions locally for US use that Israel can also access in emergency situations.

  • Video: Mark Regev, deciphered
  • More voices describe Gaza slaughter as a 'genocide'
    • In reality the population there increased 10 folds in the last fifty years.

      does it work that way for the holocaust too? if the population increases does the reality go away?

      “.... genocide” ...must have as supporting statistical evidence

      hmm, not sure what you mean by "statistical" wrt the crime of genocide. link to

      Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as
      ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
      (a) Killing members of the group;
      (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
      (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
      (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
      (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
      — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[3]

      sorry, i just realized lysias already posted this

  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language
    • The obvious point of confrontation between the fighters will be in the buffer zone, and I have read that the Israeli forces are largely stymied there.

      i agree. i think i misunderstood what you meant by "the war on the ground ". i agree with you it seems as tho this is primarily a war targeting civilians, purposely of course.

    • Why would they search unoccupied buildings and not occupied ones?

      i have not read that they are only searching unoccupied buildings. i'm curious who reported that. do you have a link?

      Despite the war on the ground which is in largely in areas devoid of civilians, the percentage of civilians amongst the dead has if anything crept up.

      i have not read the war on the ground which is in largely in areas devoid of civilians. i'm curious who reported that. do you have a link?

      That suggests that the Hamas fighters are holding their own in the war of the tunnels and the Israelis are avenging the deaths of their soldiers by killing more civilians.

      i think the israeli military are very much avenging the deaths of their soldiers. i recommend this article about revenge: link to

  • Take the right position on Israel and you can raise 1/4 million, Senate candidate is advised
    • a huge huge jump in traffic. so much so we had to change servers today, it became mandatory (you may have noticed this morning no one could log in). just thought i'd take this opportunity to make a little plug, it's not cheap and we still don't advertise! link to

  • Video: If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you, says president of NY Board of Rabbis
    • sean, as for promoting conversations like "More on Mooser, Judaism and Zionism" and "Ritzl on Judaism and Zionism"

      i think people around here know where to find you by now.

    • the comment i responded to was: Shouldn’t the Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jewish communities bear full responsibility for the policies of their leadership? If those communities themselves are not enthusiastically Zionist then why do they not oppose that leadership?

      which sounds a lot to me like "shouldn't gazan communities bear full responsibility for the policies of their leadership? If those communities themselves are not enthusiastically pro hamas then why do they not oppose that leadership?"

      and my answer would be no, the communities should not bear full responsibility because, for one thing,there are a lot of other people who should bear the US congress for one thing.

    • don’t blame Israel when these people do what Hamass tells them to do and run towards the areas where Israelis have warned bombings are about to happen.

      do you have any source for the allegation palestinians "run towards the areas where Israelis have warned bombings are about to happen" because "Hamass tells them to"?

      seriously, you should stop listening to this stupid contorted hasbara. have you watched this video by mark regev? link to

      when people's homes have been bombed and israel then threatens the shelters where are these innocent people supposed to go?

    • Shouldn’t the Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jewish communities bear full responsibility for the policies of their leadership? If those communities themselves are not enthusiastically Zionist then why do they not oppose that leadership?

      this sounds a tad like the logic applied here: link to

    • good point

  • As night follows the day, deaths of 10 Israeli soldiers lead to deaths of 30 Palestinian civilians
  • To my Jewish friend (you know who you are)
  • Where my bomb shelters at?
    • tunnels act as bomb shelters don't they? wtf?

      The steel for them was used to build rockets.

      oh please, now you're sounding like a drama queen.

  • Video: Celebrities, artists and activists call for Palestinian freedom in #GazaNames project
  • ‘Lone soldiers’ and young ideologues from around the world contribute to Israeli war crimes
    • A country that defends itself from rocket attacks

      hops, i was referencing the genocidal video. certainly you are not claiming "no school tomorrow,there’s no children left in Gaza! Oleh" is a defense chant.

      is the same as a group of fanatics who kidnap 200 girls to use as sex slaves.

      well, they just finish killing scores as well as rounding up 400 people in the WB, and no doubt torturing them. so i think the similarities are there for sure. think about it, israel has abducted and tortured far more palestinian children over the decades than Boko Haram. why is this excused?

      Another ridiculous comment meant to dehumanize

      actually it is pretty hard to top that video for examples of dehumanization.

      and justify violence against Jews

      oh god, you're like a broken record. again, that video ..that's part of what's crushing israel's reputation. that and the sderot cinema cheering on the slaughter of gaza.

    • jon, there's some news about israeli snipers that may interest you in my new post: link to

    • interesting. i just tweeted " #Israelis in #TelAviv chanting akin to supporting #BokoHaram". Listen to the genocidal Israelis in Tel Aviv 26.7.2014: "There's no school tomorrow,there's no children left in Gaza! Oleh!"

      maybe they think they are more civilized than Boko Haram - they're not.

  • Israeli embassy puts Mona Lisa in a hijab -- 'Israel now, Paris next'
  • 9 things the American media isn't telling you about Israel/Palestine
  • Kerry is off the Israel bandwagon
  • Fabricated martyrdom?
    • just a side thought, a friend of mine living in the ME emailed me the day before silverstein posted his article informing me it was being reported in the arab press several examples/evidence in the last few years of israel killing their own as opposed to them being taken hostage. a big story there.

    • It is also completely cruel to expect one who survived 5 years of torture to speculate on wether a quick death or even violent but quick rescue would have been preferrable to 5 years of torture

      are there any source links about this alleged torture. i can't recall reading about it before. did he say he was tortured?

  • Destruction of Gaza's children is something 'every one of us must confront' -- Jon Snow
  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated)
    • occupier, i fully support non violent resistance. however, in the face of the violent genocidal intent of the occupier and the actions taken to ignite this latest round of violence (WB pogroms, killings, destruction, arrests detainment no doubt leading to torture) i think palestinians should be able and willing to defend themselves and be proud of their achievements, efforts to protect themselves under siege, oppression. that includes procuring weaponry.

    • thanks MRW, yes i did yesterday when you posted it. awesome video/wonderful man thank you.

    • excuse me for sneaking in a comment towards the top of the thread today.

      this is the forth time we've published this article because we keep adding to it. so if you've already viewed it please scroll thru it again to view the many additional protests around the world since the last time we featured it.

      and please alert us (via tweet @anniefofani or @mondoweiss) to photos of new demonstrations this weekend or ones we've missed and we can add them.

      thanks everyone.

    • finally added Santiago Nico

    • raquel, thank you! please send them to us (see about page for email) and we'll try to get them up.

    • oh my, i guess it wasn't an "anti-Israel/ anti-Semitic march culminated in an attack on a synagogue" after all. link to

    • Hamas terrorists are trying to get as many of their own people killed as possible

      of course, why didn't i think of that.

      , while also trying to murder us.

      but you don't try to murder palestinians, they just end up dead. got it.

      I’m certainly aware of the imbalance: we have Iron Dome, and shelters and security rooms, and on the other side...

      hmm, what about all those fighter jets? come on jon, you've got more than the 'Iron Dome, and shelters and security rooms' wrt balance of power. don't play coy.

    • Where did I say “bombing”?

      you said the anti-Israel/ anti-Semitic march culminated in an attack on a synagogue and i my recollection was off, i thought the haaretz article had stated someone threw a smoke bomb or something into the synagogue (i was mistaken).

      i'm glad you posted both those videos, they do seem to have a lot in common. but neither of them look related to the photo above for the march for gaza in paris.

      where are the signs and the palestinian flags? how are these videos related to the peace march? this would be an awful development and of course i don't approve of violence against houses of worship, regardless of which religion it is. and it's awful of a small group of people tarnished the reputation of the peaceful marchers.

    • alleged anti semitic march (i read a yahoo news article claiming 'otherwise peaceful march' but am i surprise you're here trying to tar all those people? no). right now there's a concerted effort to frame supporters of palestine (last night in LA, arrests by DHS, very suspicious occurrences) and i think after the blatant allegations/lies told about the murder and assault in jerusalem accusing a 15 yr old boy who was attending a wedding..and almost killing him..i think anything we hear right now is highly suspect. show me the video jon, and they don't.

      btw, several times before, hasbrats right from the get go, tried to insert this link into the top of the thread to highjack this thread. at least 7-8 times. so have at it with your claims down here at the base where it belongs. and scroll up and read sumud's 3:09 comment.

      if it doesn't make sense, it's probably a lie. and where's your evidence the march 'culminated' with a bombing? where's the security video?

      we're not just sitting ducks for whatever kind of propaganda we're supposed to believe. extraordinary times, extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof.

      but let's be thankful no one was hurt at the synagogue, and remember who the victims are here and who is massacring little babies today, shall we?

    • actually jon, there's a lot you don't see. but let's keep in mind the disgusting imbalance of power , the gore blood and guts spilled this week, the massacre of children (under the guise of 'precision targets and hasbrat claims carried by all the msm that israel tried to prevent civilian death and they bomb houses at iftar when muslims break their fast, when families are together and they bomb mosques as people are leaving prayer services) and then you tell me more about who is bloodthirsty.

      the reality is john, we see the bloodthirstyness of israel on the screen and in the news happening to real people during these slaughters benignly called 'mowing the grass' so depending on who is moderating, we don't need support for that in the comment section. it is too inflammatory imho.

      that's possibly why, in comparison, taxi's post reads as inflammatory to us. but think again jon, what bloodthirsty maniacs are bombing families and slaughtering children? and why should taxi's words alarm us?

    • i figured as much walid, being smart enough to figure mehane wouldn't intend to show palestinians in a good light. i was also on al mayadeen the other night when tel aviv shut down after hamas announced they were sending 4 rockets into tel aviv and as everyone was watching them spell bound, palestinians were celebrating in ramallah. so i figured it was of that celebration. thanks for the confirmation.

    • i'm sorry nico but i'm having internet issues right now and can't download anything. i also am not on FB and your link is not showing me any photos, i can't explore it. sorry.

      there are a lot more photos i found here, including one of santiago, i recommend for everyone! link to

    • taxi, i am highly suspicious of these provatateurs who show up as a fringe element at protests and grab all the headlines.

      haaretz had a similar report w/one photojournalist (whom i think they described ad jewish) claiming there was death to jews chanting. we've heard these claims before but they donot seem to have video of it. who are these people? seriously, it's not enough to claim it is happening, this is an old worn out accusation. so let's catch whoever these people are on tape, don't tell me about it. why didn't a photojournalist capture and image and plaster it all over the front page? because he could get sued for libel? enough already! there's too much history of infiltrators instigating violence at demos, over and over.

    • Half the ambulances in Gaza have become inoperable for lack of fuel

      i read somewhere yesterday or the day before they bombed an ambulance depot

    • excellent Nancy, will add! of course we need NYC

    • thanks, i will see what i can scrub up, and i am adding photos all the just alert me and i'll see what i can do. did you see columbus ohio? go susie!

    • spring! you are so right milan is in italy, i think i must have been going dizzy or something. but that photo was taken in spain (same banner link to ) but i added a photo of the protest in milan, and one in paris too..from the protest today.

      thank you..

    • ramzi, i whole heartedly agree. thank you for the wonderful comment.

  • Claim that Hamas killed 3 teens is turning out to be the WMD of Gaza onslaught
    • jpb, WB and Gaza would never have occurred if it wasnt for the grouping

      no shit sherlock. it doesn't mean there wasn't more going on domestically at the same time and netanyahu used the pogrom to boost his domestic approval. you act as tho without the unity deal netanyahu wasn't in the shits and taking massive flack for the 1000 to 1 trade, which was why the knesset had just voted to prevent such actions in the future. so, he killed 2 (or 3) birds w/one stone using the pogrom to round up hundreds of those same prisoners. none of this happened in a vacuum and had it not happened in the context of the unity deal and the kidnapping they would have found another way to arrest them.

      “but it was a little more than that.”
      It wasnt

      like i said, a fool. when harel writes "Israel is trying to impose a new order in the West Bank, which is not directly associated with the abduction." it is a no brainer. it's also a test run/training for the annexation. if all you have is a hammer all you see are nails. whereas sometimes in life people actually multitask, complicated concept i know, but it happens.

      go ahead and take the last word, i could care less.

    • Dont agree, this was to punish palestinian grouping

      my opening said ", that was the crux of it," in response to "Israel attacked Gaza due the Fatah and Hamas grouping!" which of course has obviously been the main thrust of this whole thing. if you don't think netanyahu was also using it to score political pts, you're a fool.

      this episode, of hamas and fatah joining in unity, came in the context of the end of the 9 month wait til the end of the 'peace process' and to move forward palestinians united ahead of heading to the UN/ICC. it was a calculated move going forward netanyahu could not stand.

      and, others things were going on domestically designed to annex the WB, expand the settlements, and jack up the pols domestically just like god guns and gays are used here. so dividing fatah and hamas was primary, but it was not the sole objective, there was more going on than that politically on the domestic front.

    • peese, maybe the term 'right flank' was the wrong term. i meant his domestic adversaries he's got in his cabinet who thinking he's too soft. i am not claiming they are worse than him, they are the settler/religious nationalist.

      they bitch and moan (passed the law re trading prisoners) so he (also) carries out the pogrom to gain political pts. treats palestinians like chess pieces for his own gain. thinks nothing of killing , abducting - anything to boost public opinion. here's another example of what i am talking about link to

      If social unrest appeared in the news, I would not be surprised to hear about Hezbollah Katyusha rockets falling on Kiryat Shmona the next day. This would immediately shift public discourse back to security. I could not rule out that the Katyushas on Kiryat Shmona were a response to the IDF Air Force provocation of their fighter jets crossing the border deep into Lebanon. I told them that I didn’t have the knowledge, but my intuition as an analyst told me that.

      Everyone was quiet. Everyone was quiet. No one said a thing. And then we broke for a buffet lunch.

      At the buffet, a corpulent man approached me. He said, ‘‘Shalom, my name is XY. I was a media adviser for the minister of defense. This is exactly what we did.’’

      the public froths, the pols throw them bones. if people get killed they could care less.

    • that's how rt wing hebrew speakers pronounce it.

    • jpb, that was the crux of it, but it was a little more than that. netanyahu was sort of backed up against the wall by his right flank at the time of the kidnapping. so he was using the kidnapping to score some political points.

      recall, at the time of the kidnapping, the prisoner exchange was viewed by the right/settlers as the” the greatest setback during Netanyahu rule“. (albeit that line/quote has been edited out of this article, but i quoted it before and know it was in here): link to

      but listen to the other things amos harel says (my bold) including how punishing hamas enables the public to "release steam":

      But the campaign against Hamas also has a political context. The Shalit deal is seen by Israel’s right wing as the Netanyahu’s government’s great disgrace, due to the release of 1,027 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the abducted soldier. The deal still hangs heavy over Netanyahu. Earlier this week he was challenged by far right minister Naftali Bennett, who pushed forward the bill restricting the release of terrorists. .....

      ....the right wing and settlers feel great rage. The prime minister must ride this tiger if he doesn’t want to be caught in its fangs. Punishing Hamas enables the Israeli public, most of which is in favor of a military strike on Hamas, to release steam. In days like these, even usually restrained politicians tend to rant and rave.....enthusiasm is running high. The operation provides lots of photo ops for the prime minister and the ministers. It has also completely turned around the political agenda, in which Netanyahu had been on the defensive in the midst of a crisis in Likud, along with his failed attempts to influence the election of the new president.


      But as time goes by and the abducted youths are not found, the frustration rises. The IDF is powerful and has unusual capabilities. When the result is not achieved, however, armies tend to look for other ways to express their ability.

      ....The emphasis on striking the “civilian infrastructure” looks like an exhibition.

      In the army too there must be officers who are beginning to question the benefit of such acts. In the security cabinet discussions, the attorney general is taking a moderate, skeptical approach in a bid to restrict reckless moves.

      Israel had better remember that when an operation continues, things tend to get complicated and could lead to trouble — the loss of soldiers, or the killing of Palestinian civilians. Israel is trying to impose a new order in the West Bank, which is not directly associated with the abduction.

  • The killing fields
  • As in Vietnam and South Africa, Gazan masses are willing to pay high price for freedom -- Kasrils
    • Where is the article about the rally and march for International Day of Al-Quds that took place on Friday, 7/25/14, in Times Square, NYC?

      i don't know, where is it? because we checked the submissions list and there's nothing from you in there. alex wrote one about the nyc demo on thursday.

      link to

      and while you're at it why not lecture us about all the missing MW articles about these demos: link to

      it may shock you to know we just can't cover everything on our own weareone, so if you were there why aren't you writing about it?

  • Oren's charge that networks showcase Palestinian dead at behest of Hamas is 'obscene' -- Penhaul
    • If people can’t acknowledge that #Hamas benefits from the showing of these civilian casualties on television, then either they’re stupid, or they’re extraordinarily naive.

      "acknowledge"? what are you implying here hops, that news should be blacked out because it's not good for your side? you're not suggesting palestinians like having their people killed so they can get on the news are you?

      it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand human instinct generally sympathizes with the victim when kids get slaughtered. so why don't you acknowledge if hamas is 'benefiting' from that, israel is fueling that benefit, providing the grist for the mill so to speak.

  • Joan Rivers slams CNN and BBC coverage of Gaza -- 'you're all insane'
    • You realize that Ashkenazim are .... people worldwide who believe.. Jews have a right to nationhood.

      lol, you crack me up! #Fail

    • so what was that little 3 week pogrom of killings and house invasions and rounding up of hundreds of people after the kidnapping w/out a shred of evidence hamas was involved? has israel released any of those people?

      or by your reckoning only israeli actions are reactions?

  • Which crowded cities can you fire into?
    • where's your evidence anybody put a military command next to wafa? the renowned lying spokesperson for the iof? pllllease. if there's one thing we've learned about the iof, is they have absolutely no reservations about fabricating excuse after excuse to justify their slaughter. it's been documented time and again.

      unless you have video proof or something, forget about it!

    • You need to get out more if you can’t figure out why Israel should not demilitarize. Try actually living in the country for longer than six months

      what i find so strange ncina, is that there's so much more death and destruction in palestine, being perpetrated by the occupying power. i mean palestinians are the hunted prey there, the oppressed and ethnically cleansed by an army and their little fanatical settlers with such a voracious appetite for more land. and everyone keeps advocating the prey demilitarize. wouldn't it make sense for the party that does the lion share of the killing to demilitarize and the one's who are most at risk be prepared to use force too? as you say "as Israel has bigger and better bombs, a better military than its enemies and is prepared to use force is enough for me." well, it's good enough for me palestinians should be prepared to use deadly force against their enemies if it's good enough for you.

      Arabs generally hate Jews.

      you mean as opposed to those screaming crowds of jews shouting "death to arabs" ? ah huh, i get your point.

    • jon, are you saying that given a choice between putting your military at risk and putting your civilian population at risk, you think it wise to let soldiers frequent public places? because i saw them walking all around the streets when i was in israel. and on their time off what if they were to go watch a soccer game at some establishment on the beach in tel aviv? wouldn't that put everyone else in the establishment at risk? why they could be blown to smithereens and everyone around them would be considered legitimate collateral damage,according to the morals of israeli military strategists. why don't they stay in their barracks when they're not out slaughtering palestinians, i find it truly baffling.

    • Wouldn’t you want to put it in a field or isolated location?

      an isolated place in one of the most densely populated strip of land on earth? i sure would. with bright lights all around it and a sign that says "bomb here". that's almost as smart as placing civilian towns like sderot right on the border of gaza.

      what i can't figure out is why israel doesn't demilitarize itself. it just makes sense the whole region would be more safe if nobody had any weapons at all.why do you think they even have a military jon, given how peaceful they are.

      but look on the bright side jon, israel doesn't need an excuse to bomb a hospital or a school. they bomb who they want when they want. heck, they even shoot wounded people in the head when they are laying half dead on the ground. or didn't you see that video. like i said, look on the bright side, when you have no morals you don't have to abide by any.

  • Iraqis flee Mosul under threat from ISIS
    • i always find it so heartwarming to see "enemies" of the US/neocons doing the yeoman's work for them, accomplishing what years of war wasn't able to do. divide iraq into separate ethnic regions and drive out the christians.

      so am i surprised by this? no. i remember when the "insurgents" were blowing up bridges in iraq, exactly on the lines of the neighborhoods where the US war profiteers were placing the walls dividing the neighborhoods in baghdad.

      isn't that such an amazing coincidence.

  • NY Times reports source of UNRWA school attack is unclear even though Israel said they did it
    • i saw that tweet of hers yesterday so i checked out the link. that has got to be one of the all time worst goldberg articles i have ever read (and that's saying a lot). the sheer desperation in the messaging is beyond pale. seriously, if this is all they've got, the publishers need to rethink having people like goldberg provide coverage. and for her to be tweeting it, i started to respond to her...and then just didn't. i mean what is there to say to someone tweeting such inane links. it's really mindboggling.

  • In photos: Over 1,000 New Yorkers protest Israel's attack on Gaza
    • American Muslims & Arabs are a recent mix of immigrants

      actually that is not the case. there a whole lot of arab influenced architecture in san francisco, iot didn't just arrive on a magic carpet. and there are a lot of arab americans with roots in this country going back a long long time. not sure about the history of muslims in america, but arabs immigration is not a recent phenomena.

  • 10,000 march on Qalandia in solidarity with Gaza
  • Horrifying details continue to emerge of massacre in Khuza'a
    • it's impossible, almost inconceivable how anyone could endure this. and our leaders are too cowardly to lift a finger. decade after decade after decade. and the monster intensifies. goldstone, another cowardly man. how does he sleep at night.

  • Hamas mimics Hezbollah tactics, and no one will have stability till blockade is lifted
    • thanks taxi..gotta find nasrallah link and watch..

    • grrrreat comment taxi.

      On a side but related note here: Iran yesterday publicly announced its readiness to supply the West Bank with arms

      wow, i had not heard that. do you have any links?

      All the idf direct strikes against Hamas have been at Hamas rocket launch sites AFTER rockets have launched – hence isreal’s current frustration

      israel is up a creek w/ zilch intel

    • Idf is going crazy because of the resistance and is shooting civilians .

      nah, I0f went crazy and shot many civilians during the 08/09 massacre and there were no battles w/hamas that time round as i recall. anywhichway they shoot civilians.

    • The alternative to spending all the money on the tunnels and missiles was to spend it on civil projects.

      would you advise israel do the same. nix their military and invest in civil projects?

      The “siege” was a result of the Hamas approach – in the beginning all was open and there were high hopes for cooperative development projects.

      oh gag me with a spoon, the embargo was set up before hamas was even inaugurated. that's what it was called before they called it the blockade. don't try to peddle your revisionist history off on me.

      Israel didn`t finish Hezbollah because it was forced to accept a ceasefire that Hezbollah desperately demanded.

      ha ha ha ha ha

      – what the people think anyway nobody knows

      israel continually rates least popular country in the world. or haven't you been paying attention?

      The tunnels and missiles are not yet fully gone.

      no shit sherlock. in fact, there has not been evidence of ONE major weapons cache even busted. israel doesn't even know what quantity hamas has.

      Some are in the center of Gaza and undoing them cannot be done without a lot of people there killed.

      why don't you scroll up and read what i wrote at the top of the page.

      So will demand a more cautious and sophisticated approach

      well, thus far there has been neither caution nor sophistication. so more multiplied by 0 still equals 0.

    • I have nothing that you don`t have.

      iow, this is merely your speculation based on goi? yeah, um...doesn't it make sense a gov like this that loves to blather their successes w/video would have something to show for these allegations aside from merely those cartoon graphics? anyway, i get it. that would be a no.

      In my view this was fantasy on the side of Hamas – trying to play big, to find a winning formula.

      well, the option being to roll over and die. their people are being genocided, so of course it's a natural instinct to protect yourself. call it a fantasy if you will but trying to find a winning formula is what humans do.

      Firstly, they are fighting a very modern entity with what is essentially a pre-modern approach.

      so why couldn't israel beat hezbollah?

      Also they erstwhile allies, Iran and Hezbolalh, are busy elsewhere

      hmm, who are you listening to that you think hezbollah/iran is not paying attention here? don't be so sure. this could be the beginning of a regional war.

      The European governments understood that and they now for the first time stand behind Israel as does the US.

      really? i'm amazed. please tell us more about how the US stands behind israel. this is really startling information. and those euro govs..what about the people in those places. tell us more about those democratic governments who stand behind israel.

      anyway, amusing divert. i just wanted to know if you had any evidence israel had been able to ascertain where the tunnels are. and u have nothing.

      i guess we'll know for sure when the rockets and missiles you say they now go kaput in days. but not kaput yet are they?

    • and now i read they've killed 2 people in the WB.

    • oh that. we've put the poor lad out of his misery, for good. i'm curious what kind of replacement hasbara central will be sending us. he'll be a tough act to follow.

    • And thanks to Mahane for outing himself today.

      i missed that. what thread?

    • thanks seafoid. just got an email alerting me to kalandia

    • and they now go kaput in days.

      do you have a source for that aside from goi allegations? any photos of large weapons caches, that sort of stuff. photos of underground caves etc?

  • U.S. casts lonely vote against establishing war crimes inquiry in Gaza
    • After Hamas, then comes Hezbollah. You are with us or against us.

      hmm, not sure hezbollah will sit around that long. rumor has it, according to nasrallah, gaza will not be going down.

  • Jews Say: End the War on Gaza — No Aid to Apartheid Israel!

      hamas started sending rockets after israel went on a weeks long pogrom in the WB killing people, invading and destroying literally thousands of homes, rounding up, detaining and arresting hundreds of people. generally a massive collective punishment. but that's not all. the naivete in your comment is astounding. my suggestion would be to inform yourself a little more on background. palestinian people want more than merely an end to the current crisis, what you blindly call "RETALIATE[iation]"

      start here: ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice: link to

      they want the blockade and the occupation to end. they want justice for decades of oppression. they want human rights.

  • Avishai says we misrepresented his views
  • Israeli forces shell UN school where displaced Palestinians gathered, killing at least 9
  • Berkeley rabbi mounts a soapbox in my living room
    • train, your first link:

      I’ve always said that I like my ethnic cleansers like my men: honest, direct, and with a plan. Sadly, like good men, honest and open ethnic cleansers are few and far between. As the Israeli government, and those who blindly defend it, claim that the attacks in Gaza are for self-defense, and self-defense alone, one man has the courage to admit that the real goal is to rid the area of Palestinians and populate it with Jews. And that man is Moshe Feiglin, Deputy speaker and member of Knesset (Israel’s parliament).

      and it takes off from there.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • this site is full of speculation. ["..."].

      jon, who were you quoting? i googled that sentence and yours comment was the only one that came up. please don't tell us there's not enough inflammatory material on this site that you had to fabricate a quote.

  • US plays decisive role in Israel's attack on Gaza
  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
  • The other side of history
  • Massacre in Gaza: At least 60 killed in Shuja'iyeh, over 60,000 in UN shelters
  • Palestinians celebrate report that Hamas captured Israeli soldier
    • no combat experience in recent years. Cast Turkeyshoot doesn’t count.

      omg, that caught me by surprise.

    • it's news from today. death by settler.

      Those dead fighters, from both sides, fell in dignity, not like fish in the barrel.

      please do not twist my meaning, here's what i said:

      civilians living inside an outdoor prison getting picked off like fish in a barrel are helpless victims.

      that's hundreds of civilian deaths. there's no dignity in getting slaughtered by an occupation army and there's no dignity in slaughtering children which the israeli military troops do w/proficient regularity. the dime weapons are decapitating people. what dignity is there in this? as a soldier, what dignity is there in using this weaponry, or white phosperous? the zionist regime is not leading samurai into battle, that's for sure.

    • mehane, a hostage means bargaining power. that is what they are celebrating.

      Israel announced that Hamas fighters entered Israel.

      yep, they infiltrated the occupation forces (uniforms etc) and took them out inside israel. at least that's what they were reporting early yesterday in the arabic press before israel announced the casualties.

      settlers kidnapped a palestinian and killed him.

    • 2) this operation is just getting started-not close to easing up and pulling back.

      no shit sherlock.

      1) there is no truth to a soldier being kidnapped

      because the zionist occupation regime always tell the truth hahahahah

      sure as sht nothing is going to end until all the tunnels under the border are rooted out

      like the mighty iof rooted out hezbollah's weapons stash. hahahahaha

    • I wonder for how long you can keep both tracks at once: on one hand trumpeting any setback for Israel as a “game changer”

      who are you quoting? the AJElive tweet asking if this was a game changer?

      and on the other hand lamenting them as helpless victims

      civilians living inside an outdoor prison getting picked off like fish in a barrel are helpless victims.

      there's no contradiction in pointing out the 4th largest military power in the world got their asses kicked by the palestinian resistance and lamenting the slaughter of innocents those same occupation forces savagely took out their revenge on, like the complete cowards that they are. none whatsoever actually.

      that said, i don't think this is the game changer. i think if hamas can keep it up and israel experiences a consistent drip drip drip like we've seen these last couple days, over several weeks, then let's talk game changer.

      i said israel was in a pickle, i didn't say they were pickled. yet.

    • but this time there have been reports that Hamas wants everybody to be declared a ‘civilian’ dead until Hamas decides to declare them militant deaths.

      reports from who? please explain or provide a source because all i've heard are allegations from hasbarists about hamas wanting civilian death. there are many many photos and videos of dead children. there was a video of the aftermath of that neighborhood. what are you implying?

    • what's next?plowing thru every neighborhood in gaza and then claiming they all have weapons under them and hamas wants israel to kill all those civilians? it's getting a little far fetched, israel's propaganda and the killing sprees.

    • what are you nit-picking about?

      oh nothing. but i wrote something yesterday about israel being in a pickle, given they really don't know the quality, quantity, or where abouts of hamas' weapons. i heard the tank got blown up another way. i don't like gore so i'm not going to go into detail. let's just say hamas said they had some surprises and they've delivered thus far.

      and i also read yaalon said something about intensifying fire to evacuate casualties which made me wonder if they massacred all those civilians as a form of retribution. timing and all that.

      and since it was hamas who announced the captured soldier, and the rumors were flying about all those deaths way before the iof announced them, it sort of looks like israel didn't want to announce any casualties til after the massacre. because what if people had heard about those deaths and then read about the civilians massacred. they might have put 2 and 2 together. instead, we get graphics about underground tunnels underneath the neighborhood.

      not too convincing. like that UN ticking bomb graphic. we are not stupid.

    • Calm down

      i'm perfectly calm.

      jeezus criminy!

      maybe it's you getting flustered.

      Reports of up to 30 deaths -just not confirmed.

      hm. i heard there were at least 20 today. plus the other 18..that's getting closer to 40. give or take a few.

    • analysts in the ME are already speculating this is the end for him.

    • Some 13 soldiers dead?

      no, israel is admitting 18 now. but rumors are flying it's much higher. (these do not include some of the deaths that occurred yesterday).

      13 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza as Operation Protective Edge death toll climbs to 18
      Latest Israeli military fatalities all from Golani Brigade; IDF completing identification process of fallen troops.

      link to

      frankly, i don't believe everything in that article either. they were ambushed.

      Golani's 13th Battalion drove over an explosive device and caught fire

      that's not what i heard.

    • Like Israelis would actually allow a repeat of the Shalit fiasco

      could you flush that out for us a little bit. do you mean what happens in this war is what israel allows? did they allow the death of 18 of their soldiers? from what i heard, some israeli soldiers fell into a trap.

      i also heard hamas killed a lot more soldiers today, and israel has not admitted it yet. why do you think they waited so long to announce all these deaths when analysts on arab news stations were already discussing it many hours before.

      do you think maybe israelis don't trust their officials so much now that they know they lied to the public, using the missing teens to commit massive human rights abuses and kill people in the WB. i wonder what else they are not telling them.

      i think israel is in a pickle. link to

      i think this war is not just about what israel will allow.

      slaughtering civilians tho, they do seem fairly proficient at that. but i heard that ambush, those were special forces weren't they? or something. any idea how they lost so many men so early in the ground invasion?

  • Video: Resistance activists down power line in West Bank
    • jpb, got it. we have a comment policy thread so we don't divert on other threads. i suggest posting there or emailing phil and adam. thanks

    • thanks walid, that is (very) good to know.

    • here? on the site? i heard hamas' video as soon as it was announced (on al mayadeen) , it took us (allison and i, she heard from ramallah) ) a little while to write it and then a not uncommon wait for publication. we published about 3 hours after the video came out. when i made that comment to kay it was already written.

      but i had heard the news aprox 8 hrs earlier. however, we couldn't publish rumors.

    • thanks kay, we published this morning: link to

    • thanks kay. yes,we heard. should have something up very soon.

    • abused terms (“resistance”...)

      triple yawn

  • Look at Netanyahu's 'evidence' that civilians are harboring rockets in Gaza
    • why would I waste time linking to the dozens of videos showing Hamas officials readily admitting to stockpiling missiles in and around civilian areas

      so that would be a no. you have nothing.

  • 'Washington Post' exhibits naked double standard in Israeli, Palestinian deaths (and injuries)
  • Hamas wants to pile up 'telegenically-dead Palestinians for their cause' -- Netanyahu, on television
  • In Photos: Activists clash with Israeli and Palestinian Authority forces during protest in Bethlehem
    • the israeli media have simply been gloating that the PA is winning total support.


      They’ve been on air 24/7 advertising that there was a Palestinian consensus blaming Hamas (for ‘self-genociding’) and substantiating the legitimacy of the PA.

      really? i have not been hearing this from palestinian sources. i have been hearing palestinians are in unity in support of gaza. and a ceasefire with conditions, not the status quo.

    • Palestinian activists managed to convince the PA forces to leave, linking arms to shield them as they left. One member of the PA security was reportedly shot with a rubber bullet by Israeli forces

      so the iof are watching from the side, and if the PA forces don't do what they are told the iof shoot them. it's a direct approach anyway.

  • Kristof says Stephen Hawking and American Studies Association support Hamas
    • donald, send an email to phil and/or adam w/the subject line ASAP:edit. and then change the wording however you want. in the meantime i'm updating now w/your words here.

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