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  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron
    • Here's a five year old Palestinian boy being arrested, allegedly for throwing stones:

      What would happen in the USA if a boy such as this threw some stones at a cop car?

      Remember anything at all of how you were when you were age five or six? Take a look at you and your class mates when you were in, say, first grade.

      When I was in the US Army I wasn't allowed to vote because I wasn't old enough. At the time you had to be age 21, and the military draft was operating.

      I remember a scene in one of those old Hollywood movies about poor "dead end" kids; Two boys and a girl, about age eight, made a game of jumping out of the bushes and hurling pebbles at the hub caps of cars passing by on the road. When a thrown pebble made a ping sound upon hitting a metal hub cap, they would laugh with glee. Near the end of the scene, one car brakes--the kids skedaddle back though the bushes.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists'
    • @ Stephen Shenfield

      That's how I read Bishara.

      Will it all come down to mass Palestinian nonviolent protest for equal rights? Then let's watch our mainstream media and US government under Obama spin that….
      link to

    • @ sydnestel
      Who isn't the "we" here?

    • This morning, on the cable TV Turner Channel Remember him, and why he's now out of the picture?), they ran Fort Apache, a Hollywood story of how a stupid US Cavalry officer (played by Jane Fonda's daddy with fake gray streaks in his hair) meet his demise and the total massacre of all his (Irish born immigrant) cavalry because he didn't listen to John Wayne's wisdom about the Apaches? At the very end, the Wayne character has replaced the Fonda character as leader of the US cavalry, and he's shown telling the mainstream press journalists how great the Fonda character was as a courageous American leader of US forces? There's nothing more cynical than that movie. And, unfortunately, to this day, the lesson has not been learned by the American public.

      BTW, if memory serves, Petraeus did not mention to Congress what was documented in his brief case at his feet: That the US rubber-stamping of Israel was causing great harm to America, and would continue to do so, if not checked. And you, of course, recall that the 9/11 Commission edited its original main motive placement at the same feet, turning into a generic "all US foreign policy has (negative)" blowback. And some of you know, the main motive of 9/11 attackers, Israel First US policy, remains intact within the body of the 9/11 report, despite the generic summary ending of motive.

    • @ Kathleen
      It won't matter unless "this discussion" takes place in the 98% Gentile American community. The proof is in the current pudding, for many decades now, and no matter whether we have a Democratic or GOP government. My experience its that most Americans hold "universalist " ethical/moral values, whether Christian-derived, or secularly derived, e.g., from the Declaration of Independence, or from both resources. The problem is the Lobby buys US Congress and next POTUS. And the 5 corporation mainstream media spreads the hasbara.

      Americans simply don't get any objective factual or historical information from our government or mainstream media; it's all the Israeli narrative in the very controlled "breaking news" and US regime policy documents.

      You can easily attack the gun Lobby, but not the Israel lobby. You can easily attack the US government, but not the Israeli government.

      It's really an absurdity until you factor in the power of singularly-focused huge political campaign donations where there's no such competition, and the fact most Americans have no interest or clue about US foreign policy in the first place, and they are necessarily focused on basic economic issues.

      Things will change only when there is a "price tag" on rubber-stamping Israel. At present, and for decades now, there is, to the contrary, a price tag on criticizing Israel, one that only a few very rate US politicians(or media mavens) have risked paying. They all paid the price.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews
    • Brooke Goldstein, from the Lawfare Project was on Fox News channel's Kelly File last night, arguing that a short movie available very recently, explaining the terrorist motive of the hijackers as Islamic jihad, as part of the final touches of the 9/11 Memorial--is not misleading.

      Her opponent, a female Episcopal minister, argued the movie was misleading and should be given context, i.e., that for most Muslims the term "jihad" means daily struggle to be a good person, and to maintain daily prayer rituals, etc.

      Goldstein countered that implies most Americans are stupid, which is not the case; and so it's asinine to say they might be led by the movie to think every Muslim they see is a closet terrorist.

      The movie on hijacker motive apparently does not mention the 9/11 commission's generic conclusion the hijackers were motivated as blowback from US foreign policy.
      In fact the original findings and statement's from the hijackers mentioned the US blank support of Israel's treatment of Palestinians was a key motive.

    • @ Marlene P. Newesri

      Would the NYT publish a letter/comment claiming “Israeli Jews have avowed as their goal the killing of all Palestinians.”

      How about, "Israeli Jews have avowed as their goal the transfer/exodus of all Palestinians."

      Whenever I see a reader's letter/comment published practically anywhere that speaks negatively of their subject "The Jews" or "Jews; it's always followed by a barrage of reader responses castigating the original comment as a pure example of hard core anti-semitism. This relative to the NYT editor's response she should have published Schimmerling’s letter "with modification: such as putting in the word “’many’ or ‘some,’ before ‘Palestinian Arabs’ in the editing process.”

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings
    • @ hophmi
      You're so funny. You say, "The (Israel state) ID is used for all sorts of public services available to Jews and non-Jews alike. So, are you advocating the USA should implement the exact same sort of ID? And that SCOTUS should declare there is no American ID, as the Israeli high court said about Iraeli nationality?

    • Another motive/angle to Israel's move to more easily (for the potential recruits) obtain more Christian Arab citizens as soldiers in the IDF is a significant number of IDF recruits generally are refusing the obligation of conscription into the IDF: link to

    • @ Amigo
      What I think you're driving at is in the West, where the Shoah narrative is law, people are gradually (thanks mostly to the internet, which won't be going away) learning about the (original and on-going) Nabka. But, given the power constellation at present, how many more "facts on the ground " will there be by the time enough folks awake? It's that dividing up the pizza while eating it thing, no? I can't help but think of all the Americans I know on a personal level in my antique existence in the USA who have yet to even know the world "Nabka." And, of course, their priority is getting a decent job in a near jobless environment where the income gap has grown so that now the US is not in the upper tier of middle-class life style, world-wide. If you want that, go, e.g., to Canada.

    • This is a very astute and concisely written insight by David Samel. Looks like even the goys have learned how to use the fear and guilt of anti-semitism to further their own selfish agenda. More crying Shoah Wolf everyday as the sun rises since 1945. In the same vein, the State of Israel is fully engaged in the process of institutionalizing this phenomena: Israel increases institutional moves to separate Israeli Arabs by their religion: link to
      Divide & Conquer mentality at work.
      Look at how fast Obama and Beiden jumped on the subject hoax, although it had already been addressed as a hoax 24 hours before by credible sources.

      We have the old story of the Golem. There's a difference between the canary in the mine and a chicken hawk, but don't expect the US mainstream media to sort it out in public. Ditto in spades for Israel. (BTW, anybody notice how Israel has not rubber-stamped the US government and main media's version of Putin? Look for more of this as Obama tilts toward the East, aligned with his neoCold War policy. And, accordingly, look also to Israel sucking up to China as US grows feeble though its rubber-stamping of Israel, combined with the 1%'s greed. I'm guessing China's door will be less open than USA's to the Zionists--how about you?)

  • Federal agencies express concerns about Israel's entry into the Visa Waiver Program
    • Brad Sherman's a liberal Zionist. Here's an interview with him re the Obama red line on attacking Syria: link to

      Congressman Brad Sherman (D-CA) called for the arrest and prosecution of "any U.S. citizens who were aboard or involved with the Gaza Freedom Flotilla" under the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it
    • Just for some context, here's a quicky appraisal article on S Africa now and then, Mandela's factual legacy: link to

      Additionally, I saw an HBO documentary on S Africa today; what was clear is that the new generation of younger folks of every color take their freedom as a given, are very open to everything, demand less corruption and more opportunity from those in power.

  • Passover Auto-Pilot
    • "He has risen."

      The Israeli settlers from USA (mostly NY, NJ, it seems) think they have risen. They sure get substantial perks from the Israeli government to arise to the WB. Indirectly, of course, US taxpayers help their subsidies and discounts, etc. This article takes their picture very well: link to

    • All I see with these two seasonal auto-pilots is Hagee and Adelson in an elevator. I don't know why my cat pukes, but I know why I do.

  • Snowden revealed a world of conspiracies I once would have scoffed at-- Bryan Burrough
    • Page: 248
    • Yeah, it's like the slam against Obama and Kerry that they acted out of ego, pursuing peace in the ME, as if, and this has been pointed out on MW re Finklestein's assessment of Kerry's ambition to make the I-P peace process real, ego is not a layer of motive all humans have.

    • I think, if you've been paying attention, Snowden went to great lengths to not expose data that would put lives at risk. I'm amazed people slam Snowden. How pure does somebody have to be, before you can appreciate all they did for you?

  • 'NYT' photo feature on women in Gaza ignores Israel and Palestine
  • Max Blumenthal's guilt by association – with Jewish ethics
    • @ Annie Robbins
      Ditto here.

    • @ LeaNder
      Alison Weir has a new book out, and she has a web site. Care to give us a few examples from there of those wrong buttons she pushes for you? What does she say or write that makes you so defensive? I'd really like to know because she pushes all the right buttons for me. She spoke at the recent National Summit on the US special relationship with Israel: Here's a link to the transcript of her short speech--it also contains a link to the video of that speech: link to

    • How historically ironic is what Max says on page 406 of his book, Goliath: " Many Israeli human rights activists had resolved to stay and struggle , but there were others who decided to extricate themselves from despair by leaving Israel for good. And so in a steady stream they escaped for a better life in places such as Germany, seeking the free air of Berlin, where a rapidly growing community of Israeli exiles gathered."

  • Tax-deductible US group pushes Israeli control of Temple Mount
  • Obama and Kerry are spurred by 'vainglory' in pursuing talks -- Finkelstein
    • @ JeffB
      RE: "Yes, absolutely. But AIPAC is all Americans. If it had Israelis then it would be a foreign lobby."

      How many AIPAC members, donors, are dual citizens? What percentage would make it a foreign lobby, if any?

      10 Reasons to Keep an Eye on AIPAC link to

      Wasn't former WH chief of staff Rahm Immanuel a dual citizen? Now he's mayor of Chicago. Is he still a dual citizen? How many high level US government appointees/employees are dual citizens? How many Israeli government officials working here are dual citizens? And over there (in Israel)?

    • @ Nevada Ned
      The reality is friction between Iran and the US could be readily resolved with viable diplomacy save two: Israel’s current level of unflinching hostility towards Iran, and America’s addiction to global energy resources. These two factors guarantee that there will be tension between Iran and the United States for some time to come, and place blame for the continuation of tension firmly on the side of the United States.

      The US and Israel have a common interest in keeping Iran and Arab Oil states under deep despot control so they don't nationalize their oil in the best interest of their respective peoples. The US elite can only about themselves, and care not at all about the masses in any country, including the USA. International banking joins such elites throughout the world. In each country, the military is just a pawn of the 1%. The next 9% are their key hired hands.

    • Palestinians May Turn Policing, Services Authority of Territories Over to Israel
      by Jason Ditz, April 20, 2014
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      It’s a possibility that has been raised in the past, but with the current round of peace talks apparently now well and truly dead, the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) is giving serious talks to dismantling the Palestinian Authority (PA) entirely.

      Under the Oslo Accords, the PA has some measure of autonomy in governance of West Bank Palestinian cities under Israeli occupation. The PA is pretty much perpetually on the verge of bankruptcy, relying on foreign aid and Israeli collected tax money, which Israel is often withholding for some perceived slight or other.

      The PA was never really intended to be a long-term solution anyhow, and was meant to just give the Palestinians some autonomy until a final peace deal was reached that granted them full independence. Instead, it has become a caretaker for cities under seemingly permanent occupation.

      Dismantling the PA would mean either conning the UN into taking over the territory directly, an unlikely proposition, or simply handing the keys back to Israel and forcing the Israeli military, the official governor of the occupied territories, to handle basic services in major cities.

      That’s a lose-lose for the Israelis, who would be stuck with a major bill in providing those services to the cities, and would also face more direct blame when their policies cause hardship in cities that have come under their direct rule.

      (So, the US would just give Israel more money each year?)

    • @ Philip Weiss
      So, will we ever get Chomsky and Finkelestein's view of the Adelson GOP primary last month at his Vegas casino? How about their respective views of Mark Kirk? How about the customary freebee jaunts to Israel of our congress critters, paid for by AIPAC's "educational" corporate buddy who just happens to share the same corporate address and personnel as AIPAC itself?

    • RE: " The USA doesn’t have non-strategic alliances either."

      The US-Israel alliance is not a strategic alliance. It's totally due to bribery by Zionists as part of US campaign finance system. Recent comments on various threads on MW here have discussed this thoroughly. US Intell community consensus is Israel is not a US strategic asset. Problem is, the US politicians tell the public the contrary, and the mainstream media doesn't raise the issue.

    • Putin thinks Crimea is a Russian asset. AIPAC sells Israel as a strategic asset to USA.
      Let's compare the two notions. Result?

    • @ JeffB
      J Street? ROFL
      J Street is AIPAC Light

      That agency could care less about anybody but you know who.

    • " But that criticism did not really debunk the legend that Israel is nonetheless a valuable strategic asset."--Hostage

      "How about, “Many in the US ruling elite believe Israel constitutes a “strategic asset” of the US.“--Sibiriak

      I think American campaign finance system, partnering with pro-Israel main media & think thanks, TV pundits always has the ball in the game. Where R the Palestinian Adelsons, Sabans, Soros moneybags? The remaining key factor, a tangent of this, is military power--the point Putin always makes, which is force is a given, the only issue for effective diplomacy arises when the opposing forces are equal enough nobody wants the risk on their head, in their name. Palestinians don't have a chance. I see no change in their powerless status quo unless as unintended fall out from America attacking Iran and/or demise of the American dollar--and there's logical linkage there.

    • @Hostage

      Yes. Follow the money. All you need to know is that the Gun Lobby is very powerful, yet, e.g., Chuck Shuuer is willing to take it on in public with his big bank account. Please name the person or organization who is equally willing to take on AIPAC? Of course, you all know that, unlike the gun lobby, or ARP, the Israel Lobby is not even a local American domestic issue? It's all about a foreign country. Hard to see shy the US main media never even makes this an issue. Private ownership rights of guns for Americans, rights of obligations pertaining to America's senior citizens--how is this even faintly close to what the f++k Israel does, and why we should fund it and diplomatically cover it at the UN?

    • I agree, his whiteness is a diversion.

    • Kerry did say that this is Israel's last chance to get what it pretty much wants. He also said Israel blew it, made it go "poof." He's an asshole, just looking for his place in short term lucrative history, but is he wrong?

    • Finklelstein and Rosenberg blame the Christian USA (98% Gentile). I'd like to know how they can be disputed when you consider the US Congress's activity on the subject of Israel.

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