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jon s

An Israeli history teacher,long-time activist on the Israeli Left.

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  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • Amigo, sure, why bother getting your facts straight? Why not just hate 'em all?

    • And the full quote by Menahem Begin is this:

      "In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.

      This was a war of self-defence in the noblest sense of the term. The government of national unity then established decided unanimously: We will take the initiative and attack the enemy, drive him back, and thus assure the security of Israel and the future of the nation.

      We did not do this for lack of an alternative. We could have gone on waiting. We could have sent the army home. Who knows if there would have been an attack against us? There is no proof of it. There are several arguments to the contrary. While it is indeed true that the closing of the Straits of Tiran was an act of aggression, a causus belli, there is always room for a great deal of consideration as to whether it is necessary to make a causus into a bellum."

    • In the photo , the General on the right -with sunglasses- is Rehavam Ze'evi, not Uzi Narkis.

  • Finkelstein on Joan Peters's legacy (and Dershowitz's legal troubles)
  • Phila Inquirer publishes a lie: 'Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same'
    • Gamal , Prof. Gil , from whom it was my privilege to learn , passed away last year. May he rest in peace.

  • Like the Wind, We Will Be Free: How being detained at Ben Gurion airport during a family trip to Palestine reaffirmed my identity
  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • As for anti-Netanyahu protests: believe me, he'll be delighted.

    • This is really bad news and I'm furious. So is everyone else who is hoping and working for a change, for bringing Netanyahu down.
      During the US elections Netanyahu was accused, justifiably so, of intervening on behalf of Gov. Romney and the Republicans. Now it looks like the Republican Congress is intervening in our elections, in Netanyahu's favor.
      If Netanyahu is given this platform , at a critical point shortly before the elections, it will be an overt, unprecedented, intervention, and may even decide the outcome.

  • Gaza war blowback? Palestinian stabs 13 on Tel Aviv bus.
    • Mooser, who follows all my comments has the hutzpah to accuse me of being pleased by such an attack!

    • Here's a previous comment of mine:

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • On numerous occasions I've expressed my disgust for all terrorists, anyone who deliberately targets random innocent civilians, regardless of nationality, race, religion, ethnicity (of the victims and of the terrorists).

      It also doesn't make any difference what weapon the terrorist is wielding (sorry for the typo, above). It could be a gun, a bomb, an airliner, anthrax...or a knife,

      "Those Rabbis got shot.." (also a Druze policeman) - it wasn't in occupied territory.

    • Marnie, the information I heard was that he purchased the knife in Israel after crossing over.

    • The bus driver, Herzl Bitton, is being praised for his bravery and presence-of- mind. While being attacked by the knife-weilding terrorist he tried to fight back, sprayed the terrorist with pepper spray and managed to open the doors. He probably saved lives.

    • Mooser,
      Whoa, that was my comment:

      link to mondoweiss.net

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • Mooser, "adding up the cost" , as you put it:
      All in all, bottom-line: with all its faults, all that needs to be fixed, Israel is a good place to live. Wouldn't dream of living anywhere else.

    • Bornajoo,
      Orthodox rabbis will make rulings based on Halakha, and can hardly be expected to do otherwise. The problem is the monopoly enjoyed by the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel on matters of personal status (weddings, divorce, conversion) and I agree with you that there should be legal alternatives available here, not only getting married in Cyprus or wherever.

      You're right that a husband who refuses to grant a gett puts the wife in a nasty position. The husband, too: he could be sent to jail.

      On the "family purity" rules: I hope you've noticed that Orthodox families tend to have lots of kids. What I've heard them say is that those rules promote a loving relationship , in which the couple goes through "courting" every month.

      On the topic of this thread: It's perfectly natural to be proud of your people and of your country, while acknowledging its faults, and all the issues that need to be fixed.
      One could ask of an American : Are you proud to be an American? Are you a patriot? Do you love your country? (And the same for a Brit, or a Russian or a Palestinian...)
      The answer , in most cases, will be "yes I am", despite the ---- (fill in the blemishes: racism, inequality, etc.)
      So, too, for most Israelis, including myself: there's a lot to take pride in, and a lot that needs to be fixed.

    • It really is an excellent Israeli film. Think of the challenge of making such a rivetting movie - that takes place in the confines of one room! It draws attention to a real problem, does so with occasional humor, and - to add to the authenticity - it's tri-lingual (Hebrew, French and Moroccan-Arabic).

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • Seafoid,
      As far as I know, there are several different "Hevrot Kadisha" operating there (Sefardim, Yemenite, Hassidim...and more) so you would have to inquire at each one.
      This may not be relevant to your question , just a personal note: my grandmother, of blessed memory , is buried in Bnei Brak, in the "Shomrei Shabbes" cemetery. To be buried there you need to prove that you've been shomer shabbes you whole life.

    • Seafoid ,
      At the Har Hamenuhot cemetary in west jerusalem, it's near the western entrance to the city.

    • A Jew who dies anywhere in the world , and the family wants to bury him or her in Israel , the family will have to pay for the transport, the plot and the burial. In this case, of the Paris victims, the fee was paid by the state, because of the special circumstances.

      If they want a free burial in Israel - they need to immigrate when they're still alive...

  • Debate over trip to Israel reveals fissures in Muslim American community
    • Last time I toured a refugee camp it was in an Armoured Personnel Carrier.
      But that was a long time ago , and I'm not a member of the" Zionist elite".

    • Personally, I've had the priviledge of attending several Hartman Institute seminars and functions. The institute is a bastion of humanism , pluralism and learning

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • Sorry, I don't smoke.

    • Seafoid, Aliyah from France is already happening:

      link to tabletmag.com

      And this was before the most recent events. We're at the point where we may not have enough housing and jobs for all Jews wishing to come.

    • Danaa, The "we are all French Jews" slogan is an admirable gesture of solidarity with the Jewish community there, which is experiencing such an increase in Anti-Semitism, culminating in the kosher supermarket attack. Maybe as an anti-Zionist you should be especially interested in finding a response to Anti -Semitism , as an alternative to aliyah.

      Daniel Rich, What makes you think that I regard the Muslim cop as a nobody? In my view all innocent human lives have the same value, whether Jew, Muslim, Christian or whatever. Any deliberate targeting and killing of innocent civilians is equally repugnant.
      Why don't you say what you mean by "certain aspects of the holocanut(!)"? As far as I know many aspects of the Holocaust are discussed frequently, but maybe the movie industry is different. Please enlighten us.

    • The terrorists targetted the democratic value of freedom of expression, and then went after the Jews.
      So these are the slogans for today:

      We are all Charlie.

      We are all French Jews.

  • Don't let's go to the war of civilizations again
    • Mooser, I hope you're not complaining .
      (About the consequences of your bris,)

    • Danaa,
      Since you mentioned me : I live here in Israel, am fluent and up-to-date in Hebrew, and don't see myself" screaming into the stormy night..."
      It seems to me that social media lends itself to racist and extremist manifestations

    • MHughes976,
      At first the early Christians were probably seen as just one more Jewish sect, like the Pharisees, the Essennes, the Zealots and others. The point where they were regarded as "betraying Jewish tradition" -as you put it- came when they decided that the laws of the Torah no longer apply. Once they no longer observed circumcision, and the Sabbath and the dietary laws and all the rest - they could no longer be considered Jews.

    • Kay24,
      The way Israel treats Muslims is in any case not as bad as the way some Muslims treat other Muslims.

      During the Holocaust there were Jews who were coerced into working for the Nazis or did so as a survival strategy. And there were some, a small number, who can really be considered collaborators.
      Not quite the same as volunteering for the SS.

    • During the Holocaust there were "Righteous Gentiles", non-jews who risked their lives to save Jews, from all nationalities and religions, including Muslim Albanians. We have never forgotten them and their humanity and courage is celebrated in textbooks and at Yad Vashem and other museums.
      Sadly, there were also Nazi collaborators from all nationalities and religions, including Muslims such as the Bosnian SS division.

    • Here's a relevant article:

      link to tabletmag.com

    • It's interesting that the saying that Phil quotes appears both in the Christian New Testament and in the Talmud:

      And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
      Matthew 7:3

      It was taught [in a Baraitha]: R. Tarfon said, I wonder whether there is any one in this generation who accepts reproof, for if one says to him: Remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: Remove the beam from between your eyes.

      Bavli Arachin 16 b( Soncino translation)

  • Against self-determination
    • Don't worry, Mooser.
      When they come to round up the Jews you'll be able to yell: "Hold it! Get your hands off me! I'm an anti-Zionist! I'm "Mooser" from Mondoweiss!!"

    • I don't really see the point in Mooser's interrogation, but just to avoid the "evasiveness" accusation:
      I hold dual citizenship, Israeli and American.
      I teach History and Civics.
      Over the years I've been active in various organizations on the Israeli Left. It's too long a list to elaborate.
      The ideals I believe in should be obvious from my comments.

    • Elliot,
      Too bad. In my opinion people who don't vote because "elections don't matter", "all the candidates are the same" and so on - are actually "voting" for the status quo.

    • Elliot, (-and anyone else here who may have Israeli citizenship)

      Now would be a good time to arrange to be here on March 17 and exercise your right to vote.

    • Mooser,
      The Talmud is Aramaic, but the Mishnah, which came earlier, is in Hebrew , and so is most of the Bible, which came before that. For the rest, see Hophmi's comment, below.
      In other words, your "point" is nonsense.

    • Some replies to some of the replies:

      Annie, I do what I can, as a citizen and as a teacher, to promote the ideals that I believe in, and not only on MW. Wish I could do more.

      RoHa, Phil did say that traditions and religion are absurdities.

      For the record, I don't think that America is like Germany 100 years ago, and I don't think that Jewish assimilationists in the US are likely to meet the same fate as the assimilationists in Germany. History generally doesn't repeat itself like that.

      On Israel as the historic Jewish homeland - we've been over this numerous times on this blog,
      and all I can say is: learn the history.

    • Seafoid, As I'm sure you know by now , I support 2 states, so I certainly recognize the Palestinian right to a homeland . Since this land is homeland to two peoples the only solution is partition and two states.

    • Seafoid,
      The revival of Hebrew language and culture is one of Zionism's finest achievements, something to be proud of.

      Mooser,
      The Talmud is mainly in Aramaic, not Hebrew.

    • Some comments:
      I understand that Phil, in his journey of assimilation, doesn't see the justification for a Jewish state , and I can only hope that his quest for assimilation , which could have been written by an assimilationist in Berlin a hundred years ago, doesn't end similarly.
      So Phil, and other Jews like him , don't want a Jewish state. Fine. But what about other Jews, including myself , who do want there to be one small Jewish state on this planet , one small state in which Jewish culture is the majority culture and Hebrew is an official language? And not on" other people's land" , but in our historic homeland? There are millions of Jews , here in Israel and abroad , who support that idea and should have the same right to a nation-state as other nations have.
      Phil seems to express indifference to the prospect of Jewish identity and culture disappearing. Hundreds of languages are dying in New Guinea, no big deal. Traditions and religion are absurd.
      For myself, and plenty of others, the loss of Jewish culture and traditions and identity would be a tragedy, something that I try to do my small part to prevent

  • Dershowitz named in lawsuit alleging abuse of underage sex slave
  • Our top ten viewed posts in 2014 -- and five most prolific commenters, too!
    • Has anyone taken note that 2015 is the year that Marty McFly and Doc Brown travel to in Back To The Future 2?
      So where are the hoverboards and automatic shoelaces?

  • Israel's upcoming elections and the false nostalgia of Liberal Zionism
    • More drama today, with the split in Shas and Aryeh Deri's resignation. Is he bluffing? Also the Likud primaries . Stay tuned...

    • I must say that this election season is proving to be surprisingly dramatic.

      Initially, when Netanyahu called the elections, it looked like the outcome would be easily predictable, a foregone conclusion: Netanyahu will form the next government, this time with the ultra-orthodox and possibly Kahlon's new party , instead of Lapid's and Livni's parties.

      That outcome may still come to pass, but it's no certainty. In fact, almost every day has seen new twists and turns, surprises and drama, great days for news junkies like me.

  • Caroline Glick says there were no Palestinian refugees
    • Shingo,
      Once again, you presume to tell me what I think, without any foundation in what I wrote.

      "Hamas are Palestinians and but(sic!) you think that labelling someone terrorists means they are forever incapable of moderation or reform, and that Israel has the right to attack them regardless of their actions. "

      "Forever" is a long time and I don't think that all terrorists are incapable of ever changing.
      I would certainly welcome any indication that Hamas is ready to abandon terrorism.
      Israel's right to defend itself is relevant to Hamas' actions, not "regardless".

    • Shingo,
      This is what you accused me of:

      "A week ago you stated that it doesn’t matter if ISrael attacks the Palestinians first or initiated the conflicts because Palestinians are terrorists and what they do is never self defense it’s terrorism. "

      You've also been kind enough to cite my original post.

      So anyone who can read can see that I referred to Hamas, who are, indeed, terrorists, and not to the Palestinians in general. Also, in that quote I didn't express an opinion one way or the other as to Israeli actions.
      So who's the liar?

    • Shingo,

      I never "stated" any such thing.

      I abhor all forms of racism.

    • Shingo,
      I certainly do criticize Hamas anti-semitism.
      I don't make excuses for racism from any side.

    • It's clear that Article 22 in the Hamas Charter is referring to the Jews, with all the classic anti-semitic themes, and not just "zionist interests". The Zionist movement, founded in 1897, could hardly have been behind the French Revolution in 1789.
      Zofia says that she agrees , at least in part, to the part about "trading in armaments".
      Article 22 states: " They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments ..."
      It takes an absolutely demented, hate-filled ,mind to accuse the Jews of profitting from WW2, when 6 million Jews , 1/3 of our people, perished.

    • Shingo,
      So now you're withdrawing the accusation that the video was recycled from 2009?

    • Citizen, You make it sound like the Arab armies were trying to implement the partition plan, when, in fact, their goal was to prevent its implementation.
      6000 people, on the Jewish side (out of 600,000), gave their lives to repulse the "feeble" Arab armies.

    • Just to be clear on Article 22 of the Hamas Chater, which Zofia now says is " in some part true":

      "... With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

      You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it..."

    • Zofia and other commenters are ignoring a key point. Even if - just to make the point - I accept your claim that IDF strikes on Hamas targets preceded Hamas rocket fire - it doesn't matter!
      That's because firing rockets and mortars at a civilian population is a criminal, terrorist , act. Every rocket fired at Sderot and Beersheva and Ashkelon, every mortar round aimed at Nahal Oz and Nirim, represents a criminal act.

    • The photographs of Palestinian life are quite impressive and serve as a reminder of how much was lost. Some of the pictures remind me of some old photos of my own family.

      I was amazed to see basketball players from 1913! (at 5:50)

      There's also at least one erroneous caption. The Palestine Post seen at 9:53 is from May 16, 1948, not May 5.
      And of course the obvious intention to only show acts of violence perpetrated by the Jewish side, such as the bombing of the King David Hotel and the Deir Yassin massacre, but not bombings and massacres perpetrated by the Arab side.

    • Shingo,
      There's no proof there, it's just Mr Porter saying so.
      All we need is to see the same video, as it was supposedly posted in 2009.

      Aside from that, your comment doesn't make much sense. Are you saying that the building of Al Wafa hospital didn't exist in 2014? So how can anyone complain about its destruction in 2014?

    • Zofia, I see that you're bringing up this accusation:

      Exclusive: Israel’s Video Justifying Destruction of a Gaza Hospital Was From 2009

      When Annie posted the same link , I asked if there was any proof, aside from "Truthout says so". In other words, a link from 2009 showing the same video.
      I even said that if I would see the proof, I would try to take it up with the IDF spokesperson's office.
      I don't recall seeing a reply (but I may have missed it, I don't monitor MW every day).

    • Zofia,
      Article 7 in the Hamas charter:
      You state:"The part mentioning Jews is a quote". Sure it's a quote, one that extols the murder of Jews.

      Article 22 recycles classic Anti-Semitic themes: Jewish control, Jewish wealth, blaming the Jews for the French Revolution, Communism , and both world wars.

      Again, if this was just some old, out-dated document, maybe we could just forget about it, but that's not the case. Hamas practices what it preaches in the charter, terrorism and murder. The Hamas attacks this summer were only the most recent examples,

    • Zofia,
      First of all , thanks for your comments, which are on-topic and informative, without resorting to name-calling and personal insults, as is so often the case on this forum.

      Of course I haven't had the time to go over all your links (and I'll try to do so in the next few days), but just a brief look leads to the question as to the relevancy of non-violence here. We are talking about Khaled Mashal, leader of Hamas, after all.
      Hamas' ideology is formulated in its covenant, which has never been repealed as far as I know:

      link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      See especially the Introduction, Article 7 , and Article 22.

      If we were just talking about an ideology formulated in a document from 1988, one coud argue that it's outdated and irrelevant. But Hamas continuously practices its murderous anti-Jewish ideology, as we saw as recently as this past summer.

    • I don't know what Meshaal said in that specific speech, but he is, after all, leader of Hamas, an organization committed to killing Jews, in ideology and in practice.

    • Annie,
      The replies to my comment pretty much prove my point.

      And no, I'm not crazy. My shrink assures me that I'm making "significant progress".

    • It's remarkable how Israeli extremists like Caroline Glick and Palestinian extremists and their supporters are so much alike, in their inability to recognize the humanity and the legitimacy of the other side, and even in their rejection of a two-state solution.

  • Selfies with Santa, fake trees, and businesses striving to stay afloat as Bethlehem celebrates Christmas
    • Kay24 used the term "minimized" regarding Nazareth, to which I took issue.
      Has Nazareth been shrinking?
      Has the population decreased?
      The standard of living?

      I'm well aware of the discrimination, inequality and racism faced by the Palestinian citizens of Israel, without making excuses. Still, words are supposed to mean something, and in this case "minimized" was meaningless.

    • I still don't see how Nazareth is "minimized".
      The municipal area?
      The population?
      The economy?

      link to en.wikipedia.org

    • Compliments to Allison for the photos from Bethlehem.

      Kay, "They apparently have minimized the Nazareth area..." - what does that mean? How is Nazareth minimized?

  • Next U.S. elections threaten Israel's 'total isolation' -- and the Israeli public is worried
    • "Manhigut Yehudit " is , in fact , a faction in the Likud .

      Once again , I wonder about Mondoweiss editors and moderators who allow a poster to identify himself / herself as "NoMoreIsrael". It's clear that someone trying to use a title such as "NoMorePalestine" woud not be tolerated.

  • Happy holidays from the IDF
    • Walid, The report in your link doesn't mention Israel , that's you're own fabrication. If something ugly is going on, "there has to be an Israeli hand"...

      "israel's pals"? Are you serious? Do you think we're pals with people who want to cut our throats?

    • IDF soldiers wear helmets. The soldiers in the field, like the one in the photo, attach a camouflage cloth to the helmet. The irregular shape of the cloth obscures the outline of the helmet.

  • JVP offers bold universalist Hanukkah message in the wake of Gaza slaughter
    • Anyone who sympathises with religious- fundamentalist terrorists is a right-winger.

      I've read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Marcuse, Fidel and Che. Also Socialist-Zionists such as Borochov and Syrkin. The Left does not support religious fundamentalism.

      Where have I ever condoned mass murder? Your comment is a blood libel.

    • Ari Shavit is right-wing??
      This is from today:
      link to haaretz.com

  • Jordanian-Palestinian resolution to the UN Security Council gives US and Israel wiggle room
    • Seafoid,
      I didn't say that it would be easy, only that it's possible.
      As for the "dead bodies" , the extremist settlers threatened dead bodies- mass suicides, armed resistance- during the withdrawal for Sinai, and from Gush Katif, and , in the end, the withdrawal was implemented without any such bloodshed.

    • This draft resolution , and the recent decisions by European parliaments to recognize a Palestinian state, are positive developments on the road to implementing the two-state solution, the solution that so many Mondoweiss commenters have given up on. As I've said repeatedly, two states is the only game in town, the only solution that is both morally sound and politically possible.

      Allison is mistaken in writing: "resolution 181 on the status of the right of return for Palestinian refugees" . Resolution 181 was the UN partition plan , adopted on Nov.29, 1947.
      The resolution which addressed the refugee issue was 194, adopted on December 11, 1948, and rejected by the Arab side at the time.

  • Yes, Virginia, there is a liberal Zionist
    • "Mooser", same to you.

    • ...and according to some commentaries, Zipporah, Moses' wife, was black.

    • And on this opportunity: Happy Hanukah to all those celebrating the Holiday of Lights!

      We all could use more light in the darkness.

    • WJones,
      It may be worth noting that Moses himself was married to a Midianite woman , Zipporah, daughter of Jethro, "priest of Midian". (Exodus 3:1)

    • Annie,
      It's like if I would ask you about "American values" : are they liberalism
      and liberty or racism and xenophobia? Thoreau and Martin Luther King Jr. or the KKK and McCarthy?
      So, too, in various Jewish sources -the Bible, Talmud, rabbinic literature and more - you can find a tug-of-war between quite different concepts.

    • WJones,
      According to the Bible, Moses never entered Canaan, so he didn't attack Canaanite villages.
      That was Joshua.

    • If the Bible ("Old Testament") is nothing but a nationalist-Zionist document , as you claim, why has it been read , studied and revered by so many non-Jews, over the centuries?

      For universalist values you can start here:

      "...and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

  • A Knesset without Arab parties?
    • eguard, I've seen lots of reports regarding voting patterns in the US among African -Americans, Hispanics, Catholics, Jews, Arab-Americans, and so forth. "Politics for racists?"

    • Newclench,
      (It's nothing new on this forum: polite, on-topic comments of mine are often met with personal insults and abuse.)
      The Arab parties may be compelled to merge so as to pass the minimum threshhold. They could do so as an election tactic, and then split up again after the elections. After all, why should Communists and Islamists have to vote for the same list, just because they are Arabs?
      In any case I would like to see an increase in the Arab turnout : they could potentially reach 20 or so MKs, and that would be a game-changer.
      I also think a Meretz-Hadash alliance would be a good idea, but, realistically, it's not going to happen , at least not this time.
      And of course you meant Avraham Burg, not his late father...

    • Hamed Amar, who represents Yisrael Beiteinu - Lieberman's party - is a Druze.
      He's not the first Druze politician on the Israeli Right: In previous Knessets Ayub Kara was a Likud MK and deputy minister.

    • Allison's report is inaccurate:

      The date of the election is not "unconfirmed" . It's been set for March 17.

      "They (the Arab parties) will either have to merge, or forgo being a part of the government." You mean part of the parliament, the Knesset, not the government.

      Balad was not headed by Hanin Zoabi . She was second on the list.

      In one place Allison writes:
      "four from mixed Arab-Jewish parties" , but a few lines later:" there is only one mixed Jewish and Arab party."
      The facts are : Hadash has three Arab MKs, one Jewish.
      Meretz has one Arab MK, Issawi Freij.
      Hamed Amar, a Druze, represents Yisrael Beteinu.
      And –this just in- Raleb Majadleh has been sworn in as a Labor MK , to replace the ailing Ben-Eliezer.

      If the Arab parties merge, there's no question that they will be in the next Knesset.

      As to "long standing boycott" : see the statistics:

      link to en.idi.org.il

  • 'Suicide Drones' and the Spoils of War: Israeli arms manufacturers look to cash in on the war in Gaza
    • I don't see the point in concentrating on the drones.
      If the target is innocent civilians - it shouldn't be attacked, regardless of whether the aircraft is manned or unmanned.
      If the target is a legitimate military target - there certainly are advantages to using drones.

  • Saban confronts Bennett: 'Are you willing to cut commercial ties with Europe?'
    • Annie, all I meant was now that we're back to that topic. You don't have to read things into my comments that aren't there.

    • Mooser, So why am I in quote marks? ("JonS")

    • Just,
      yeah , your reply is an example of what I meant.

    • Just,
      "Show us the proof"? During the summer I did that, provided links to various sources. Most of the commenters here wouldn't allow themselves to be confused by the facts.

    • Amigo, I called it a shootout because that's what it's usually called. See here:
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Gamal , For the penalty shootout as an Israeli invention see the link, above. Scroll down to "history".

      Mooser, a low regard for Israel? No kidding? Let me remind you that this is Mondoweiss, home of "Israel is to blame for ........."(fill in on the dotted line).

    • Also the penalty-kick shootout as a method to break ties in soccer games is an Israeli invention.

    • I'm no fan of Bennett (see my comment, above) but Hophmi is correct that Bennet was not making grotesque threats of heart-attacks. He was saying that trade with Israel is mutually beneficial and that a boycott would be mutually harmful.

    • As long as we're back to the bombing of schools and hospitals: do you support using schools and hospitals (and mosques) as launching sites for rockets, arms depots and such?

    • I had the opportunity to hear Mr. Bennett speak, at the Haaretz conference in TelAviv, in July. There were a few other right-wingers invited to speak, but Bennett was the only one who was booed and heckled - his speech was simply exceedingly stupid. We literally couldn't believe our ears ("did he really say that?").

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