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jon s

An Israeli history teacher,long-time activist on the Israeli Left.

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  • Kim Philby's last straw
    • kris,
      I assumed that was Piper's position based on this:
      link to michaelcollinspiper.podbean.com
      In truth, I couldn't bring myself to wade through all the disgusting nonsense, so I may have been wrong on the debate he was having with his fellow kooks.
      The link you provided is to a neo-Nazi website.

    • RoHa,
      Your link is to a book by an Anti-Semitic white -supremacist:

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      He also claims that the Sandy Hook shootings was a "hoax".

    • Eva,
      I don't believe this.
      What are you saying? That the "Protocols" endure because there's "something to it"?

      As far as I know the "Protocols" endure only among hard-core Anti-Semites.
      And everything in the "Protocols" , from start to finish, is a lie.

      For more, see here:

      link to amazon.com

    • Let's not forget that JFK was allegedly assassinated by a conspiracy that included the mafia, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret service, the Dallas Police, anti-Castro Cubans, pro-Castro Cubans...and I'm sorry if I forgot anyone... So, sure, while we're at it, why not include "the Zionists"?

    • Ramzi Jaber,
      OK, I'm thinking of JFK. Do you believe every crackpot conspiracy theory, or just those which try to make connections to "Zionists"?

    • So exposing a traitor is wrong, if it's done by a "Zionist"?

  • The grotesque injustice of Obama's speech at the Washington synagogue
    • Just, it's true that I've made this point before, on the lack of Jewish literacy, because it does concern me:

      link to mondoweiss.net

      As to your question, assuming you're really interested:
      I don't teach only "Israeli History".
      The farthest back I go in the courses I teach is the Second Temple period.
      "Jewish literacy" means not being ignorant of your heritage, having at least basic knowledge of Jewish traditions, culture, history ,language and so forth. To go back to the example I used in my previous comment, it would mean catching Leonard Cohen's reference in "Who By Fire", and not losing a bet to Annie out of ignorance.

    • Shavuot is one of my absolute favourite holidays, maybe even #1!

      In Israel in recent years Shavuot study events have become more and more popular, as part of an increase in interest in the study of Jewish sources. I participated in two such events , here in Beersheva. One of the texts which is traditionally read and discussed on Shavuot is the Book of Ruth, which contains a powerful anti-racist message.

      It's quite sad that Annie encountered Jews who don't have a clue, who lack "Jewish literacy".

    • President Obama is wearing a kippah ("yarmulke") not because he's addressing a Jewish group, but because he's doing so in a synagogue.
      When the President speaks at events such as AIPAC conventions he doesn't cover his head.
      In a synagogue , he's simply showing proper respect, as I assume he would in a church or mosque.

      And Happy Shavuot to all those celebrating today!

  • Congress and state legislatures are on the warpath against BDS
  • Netanyahu: Jerusalem was always the capital 'of the Jewish people alone'
  • Putting Israel's cynical humanitarian work in Nepal in the proper context
    • RoHa
      Could you refer me to a book or academic paper which lays out in detail the p-nation, n-nation, c-nation distinctions?

    • Bumblebye,
      Are you saying that perceiving the Jews as a nation makes one an Anti-Semite? What kind of upside-down logic is that? You realize that regarding the Jews as a nation was one of the precepts of modern Zionism? Does that make every Zionist who ever was and every Jew who immigrated to Israel out of Zionist ideals- an Anti-Semite? Or is it just me?

    • RoHa,
      I confess that you sort of lost me with your "n-nation" and "p-nation" categories.
      And of course I disagree with your statement that Jews are not a nation. With all respect, it's not your call.
      I assume that you support equal rights for Jews, as individuals.
      My main point is that Jews also should also enjoy equal rights as a people or a nation, if they define themselves as such.

    • RoHa,
      "Individual human beings have rights" - but those rights include the right of individuals to get together with other individuals who share the same language, faith, territory , history and economic ties and form communities. Communities can take various forms, such as religions, ethnic groups - and nations. And if that's so, nations have rights which are the extensions of individual rights.
      Aside from the theoretical side, there's the practical reality: we still live in an era of nation-states, an era in which nations expect, or demand , equal rights with other nations, including the right to self-determination in such a state. Unless they are very weak or their adversaies very strong, , national movements are not likely to give up until those expectations are satisfied.
      What happened when the USSR broke up? The Ukrainians, Lithuanians and the rest formed nation-states , in implementation of their rights as nations. Imagine, for a moment ,that the recent referendum in Scotland had turned out differently, and a majority of the Scottish people had opted to leave the UK and establish a Scottish state. . Wouldn't we say that they were seeking equal rights as a nation?

    • Ro Ha,
      As I've said on numerous occasions, I believe that two states is the only possible solution - both politically possible and morally sound.
      Equality means equal rights not only for individuals, but for nations. The Palestinian people and the Jewish people deserve equal rights , including the right to independent nation-states.

    • Peace means a future without bloodshed, a future where children in both Gaza and Sderot, and everywhere else in this country can grow up without the fear of bombs and rockets and shootings and knifings. That's what I believe we should focus on, not some futile search for "justice" , which will only bring more misery.
      And, blah chick, I also believe that everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. All people should be equal.

    • Eljay, Absolutely.
      I don't think Israelis and Palestinians can have both peace and justice. We have to make a choice and ,yes, I prefer peace to any notion of perfect justice.

    • Marnie, If you feel so bad about living here, well, it's a free country, and you can leave.
      As for Daniella Weiss, Feiglin and the rest - your own extremism is a mirror-image of theirs. Fanatics from both sides have a lot in common.

    • blah chick,
      The simple answer is that things are not black-and-white.
      It's typical of extremists and fanatics to refuse to see any shades of gray, any nuances.
      On this blog there are some who demonize Israel, everything in Israel is bad, everything Israel does is evil , even the good things are bad .

    • Here's some relevant info:
      According to the IDF spokesperson the IDF field hospital in Nepal
      " treated 1,600 patients, operated 85 surgeries, and delivered 8 babies."

  • 'This is where we are, and we are not leaving here' — Notes from BirthWrong
    • Some more on Maimonides:
      Somehow the man managed to be:

      - a rabbinical authority, who handed down rulings according to Jewish law ( halakha);

      -a renowned philosopher, influenced by Jewish traditions, classical Greek philosophy and the Muslim world he lived in. I highly recommend this book, just published in English:
      link to amazon.com

      -acknowledged leader of the Jewish community in Egypt;

      All this while holding on to his "day job " as court physician.

      We have a fascinating glimpse into his daily life: There's a letter that he wrote to R.Shmuel ibn Tibbon, who asked to meet him. In reply Maimonides described his routine:

      "I dwell at Fostat, and the sultan resides at Cairo [about a mile ­and­ a­ half away].... My duties to the sultan are very heavy. I am obliged to visit him every day, early in the morning, and when he or any of his children or any of the inmates of his harem are indisposed, I dare not quit Cairo, but must stay during the greater part of the day in the palace. It also frequently happens that one of the two royal officers fall sick, and I must attend to their healing. Hence, as a rule, I leave for Cairo very early in the day, and even if nothing unusual happens, I do not return to Fostat until the afternoon. Then I am almost dying with hunger. . . I find the antechamber filled with people, both Jews and gentiles, nobles and common people, judges and bailiffs, friends and foes-a mixed multitude who await the time of my return.

      I dismount from my animal, wash my hands, go forth to my patients and entreat them to bear with me while I partake of some slight refreshment, the only meal I take in the twenty­four hours. Then I go forth to attend to my patients, and write prescriptions and directions for their various ailments. Patients go in and out until nightfall, and sometimes even, I solemnly assure you, until two hours or more in the night. I converse with and prescribe for them while lying down from sheer fatigue; and when night falls I am so exhausted that I can scarcely speak.

      In consequence of this, no Israelite can have any private interview with me, except on the Sabbath. On that day the whole congregation, or at least the majority of the members, come to me after the morning service, when I instruct them as to their proceedings during the whole week; we study together a little until noon, when they depart. Some of them return, and read with me after the afternoon service until evening prayers. In this manner I spend that day."

      source:
      link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

  • Scott Walker's foreign policy education begins w/ lesson: East Jerusalem is not occupied
  • Jordan Valley villagers call for international intervention as Israel conducts massive military training
    • A petition circulating on the Israeli Left:

      Do not Let the Occupation Turn 50!

      In two years Israel's military occupation of the territories it captured in 1967 will be 50 years old.

      Out of deep concern for our country's physical survival and moral integrity, we the undersigned, citizens of Israel, call to end the occupation before it reaches the half-century mark.

      To achieve this urgent goal, we call on the international community and the 15 members of the UN Security Council:

      1. To support the Palestinian Authority's appeal to the UN and immediately recognize the State of Palestine and accept it as a full member.

      2. To impose an economic and cultural boycott on the settlement enterprise in the territories Israel occupied in June 1967.

      We invite other citizens to join us: the greater our numbers the louder the Israeli voice in favor of stopping the current deterioration before it is too late.

  • Human rights activists thank Lauryn Hill for canceling upcoming concert in Israel
  • 'NY Review of Books' says Tony Judt didn't really mean it when he called for the end of a Jewish state
    • It's not that Israel is an anachronism, this discussion is an anachronism. It's as if this isn't 2015, it's 1915, or maybe even 1815, and we're sitting around arguing the pros and cons of establishing a Jewish state.
      The reality is that Israel is a fact , here to stay, it's existence is non-negotiable.
      The challenge is achieving peace , securing a Palestinian state, making Israel more democratic, with more social justice and less inequality...a long list of objectives.
      Going back to the Jewish state vs. bi-national state debate - what's the point? My Dad (of blessed memory) participated in that debate back in the 1930s . As a member of Hashomer Hatzair, he favored the bi-national ideal at the time, but having that debate now is anachronistic, we're way beyond it.

  • Spanish Jews resisted oppression in tunnels and, exiled, clutched their keys
    • I should point out that Dona Gracia is considered something of a proto-Zionist, because of her involvement in an audacious endeavor regarding Tiberias:

      "Finally secure in Turkey, with close ties to the sultan’s court, Dona Gracia sought to acquire some place of safety for other Jews. With that goal in mind, she leased land in Tiberius, a town in Palestine, then under Ottoman control.

      Her hope was to encourage a self sufficient Jewish community there. For a short time, Jewish settlement in the Galilee was increased and Tiberius became a successful city. Although a mansion was prepared there for La Signora herself, she died before she could occupy it. This settlement, one of the earliest to attract Jews to return to Zion, has usually been credited to Gracia’s nephew, Don Joseph Nasi, conceding only that she was at his right hand, serving as his inspiration. However, the idea was first envisioned by Gracia, who, taking advantage of her influence at court, conceived of the plan, leased the land for a high yearly rental that she paid herself, and briefly turned Tiberius into a thriving Jewish city."

      source:
      link to myjewishlearning.com

  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • Kids learning Hebrew in Washington, D.C.:

    • Bornajoo,
      I just checked my own archive and found that I used the term "historic homeland" three times on April 27-28.

    • Bornajoo,
      I don't get it. I wrote that I DON'T presume to determine whether other people are Jewish or not, and your conclusion is that I'm very similar to someone who does.
      I wonder whether you actually read what I wrote.

    • Bornajoo,
      Frankly I don't understand why you want my comment on another commenter's comment.
      For myself, I don't presume to determine whether someone else is Jewish or not.
      In general,if someone considers him/herself Jewish- that's good enough for me.
      Shabbat shalom

    • Bornajoo,
      Of course I know that not all Jews are zionists. That's the way it's always been, since the emergence of modern Zionism. There were assimilationists, autonomists, Bundists, Communists, Ultra-Orthodox and Reform Jews, all anti-Zionists.

      These days, however, there's frequently a convergence of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, manifested in the deadly incidents we've seen in Europe, or acts such as this:

      link to haaretz.com

    • Just,
      I've seen - and even participated in - plenty of debates between supporters of one state and two states. One of the most significant points argued by one-staters is that the settlement project is irreversible and has made the two state solution impossible.
      So under one state the settlements get to stay, that's the logic of one state.

    • Just,
      As I recall, you don't support the two state solution, so there's no sense in your complaining about the settlements.

    • Bornajoo,
      I oppose all the settlements. The distinction between "idealogical" and "economic" settlers is often made as a practical matter: when the time comes the economic settlers will be an easier nut to crack, as we've seen in the precedents in Sinai and Gaza.

      I don't have to agree to your extremist formulations to be a person of the Left. Supporting peace, equality, human rights and socialism -means I'm on the Left, with or without your stamp of approval.

      Now some questions for you:
      Do you condemn terrorism?
      Do you condemn all forms of racism, including Anti-Semitism?
      Do you believe that the Jewish people have the same rights as other people?

      (And please don't give me "it depends how you define terrorism, one side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter..." I think we all know the conventional definition).

    • Bornajoo,

      I've always opposed the occupation and the settlements, and consider them a major obstacle on the road to peace.

      Some settlers are less extreme than others. For instance: the non-idealogical, "economic settlers" ,who moved there because of the generous economic incentives.

      Since when does being a person of the Left mean agreeing with every word of Gideon Levy?
      I have lots of respect for Levy's journalisic work over the years. He holds up a mirror that so many Israelis would rather not look into. But that does not mean that we have to regard every word of his as holy gospel. For example, he thinks that Roger Waters is a wonderful person, I think he's a self-righteous prick.

      ( I hope I've passed the interrogation...)

    • Yes, I stand corrected, it's in Egypt.

    • gamal,
      300 km. west of Beersheva is somewhere in the Med. sea.

    • Bornajoo,
      You're making assumptions about my position, which are not true.
      My position is that of the "classic" Left: This country is the homeland of two peoples, and the two peoples should enjoy equal rights, including the right to a state. Hence: partition and two states. In my view it doesn't matter which people were here first, which people have a longer history, since I'm not aware of any rule that "older" nations have more rights than "younger" ones, or vice versa.

    • gamal,
      I try to do what I can, do my small part.

    • Gamal,
      Yes I'm in Beersheva, and I support the campaign to have the mosque restored to the Bedouin.

    • Bornajoo,

      Creationism? are you kidding? Man, have you got me wrong...

    • Bornajoo,
      Why don't you just try to explain what you meant, so that even someone as feeble-minded as me could understand. Who are the “present-day Jews who lived in Palestine before the European Jews showed up"?
      And why would I think that the history of the world begins in ancient Israel?

    • Bornajoo, you're not making much sense. There are no "present-day Jews who lived in Palestine before the European Jews showed up". They would have to be well over 120 years old, depending on when you consider the European Jews "showed up". (The First Aliyah? The arrival of R. Yehuda Hahassid and his followers? or of the disciples of the Vilna Gaon?)

      And why would they be decendants of the Palestinians, and not, simply, descendents of previous generations of Jews?

    • Gamal, if you are referring to the fact that the Muslims were also expelled from Spain, I'm aware of that.

    • Throughout history there have been conquests, migrations, inter-marriages, conversions..
      So, sure, present-day Palestinians could be , at least partly, descendents of the Jews.
      So what?

    • Sycamores, you're right, The myth is, well, a myth , since the Romans may have persecuted and oppressed the Jewish population at times, but did not resort to expulsion.

      If you're implying that like the story of the Jews of Spain didn't end well, so, too , the periods of Jewish independence ended disastrously - I would agree on that, too.

      But, as far as I know, Birthright tours are not solely devoted to history. The participants are also introduced to various aspects of present-day Israeli society.

    • Um, you do remember that , in the end, Spain persecuted and expelled the Jews?

      Spain is, indeed a great example of a prosperous and successful Jewish community in the diaspora. Unfortunately, it didn't end well, so it's a bit far-fetched to learn an anti-Zionist lesson from the Spanish example.

  • Israeli army can't stop patting itself on the back for helping Nepal victims
    • Giving Hamas a platform on Mondoweiss could lead to more of this perception:

      link to washingtonpost.com

    • echinococcus,
      We're talking about Hamas , a vicious, murderous, terrorist organization, with a genocidal agenda.
      And I'm not an "official" anything.

    • old geezer, I didn't reply because I don't have additional information. What I heard was that the hospital, including equipment will be left as a gift.

    • There's a difference between quoting Hamas documents and statements- which I've done myself- and inviting a Hamas spokesperson to use this blog as a platform.

    • Bornajoo, I'm not what I'm not, but I seem to recall that people have been prosecuted in the US for providing assistance to Hamas.

      Whatever the legal implications, I think that Mondoweiss is crossing a line here, in posting a link to the Hamas website.
      Would it be ok to post a link to Al Qaeda? ISIS? How about the KKK?The Aryan Brotherhood?

    • "Let's get a Hamas rep..."

      Contrary to what Cigargod and Kris think, this is a VERY bad idea.

      I'm not a legal expert, but as far as I know, Hamas is an illegal terrorist organization, under US law.
      Posting their official communiques and propaganda here could have serious implications.

    • Kris,
      Your ugly accusation of organ-harvesting is borrowed from the Anti-Semitic medieval blood libel.

    • Maximus,
      Please remember, next time you have the misfortune of being in a disaster zone, and in need of medical care, and the IDF mission arrives - to refuse to be treated.

      The IDF targetted facilities that were being used by the Hamas terrorists for military purposes.
      Shifa hospital ,the major Gaza hospital , was also being used (or abused...) by Hamas, but the IDF refrained from attacking it.

    • Maximus,
      The Hamas terrorists didn't allow their people to seek treatment at that field hospital.
      And when Israel wanted to treat some of the sick and wounded in Israeli hospitals, Hamas opened fire on the border-crossing and on the ambulances.

      Speaking of which, it's not entirely true that there's no rebuilding in Gaza.
      Hamas is rebuilding its rocket arsenal and tunnels. A question of priorities, I suppose.

      Sources:

      link to timesofisrael.com

      link to usnews.com

    • I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised that noone here has a good word to say.

      Phil is nice enough to write: "Though we’d never urge Israel not to carry out these helpful efforts" ...admitting, at least that Israeli aid is helpful.

      We are now one week after the quake:
      -IDF Medical Corps has a field hospital up and running, treating patients in Katmandu.
      When the team returns home the hospital won't be dismantled, it will be left as a gift to the people of Nepal.
      -IDF Home Command has teams which participated in search and rescue missions.
      -Magen David Adom has a medical team operating there, in co-operation with the Red Cross.

      I heard somewhere that the Israeli aid mission is the biggest one there, but I don't know if that's true.

      Aside from that , Israeli insurance companies launched search-and-rescue missions , locating and rescuing stranded Israeli trekkers.

  • Haneen Zoabi's power and vision (and answers to Theodore)
    • I'm very much impressed with Ayman Ouda. He could be the "Palestinian Mandela".

    • Just,
      So if Palestine can be Islamic and democratic, Israel can be Jewish and democratic.

      eljay,
      Unlike you , I think it's up to the Palestinians. If they want an Islamic state, guided by Sharia, it's their call, non of my business. So I'm not going to condemn- or support - whatever regime they install . What does concern me is how the Palestinian state will live in peace with Israel.

    • Just,
      As the Palestinian draft constitution says , and Dr. Fincham confirms, Islam will be the official religion.
      See here, Article (5):

      link to palestinianbasiclaw.org

    • Bumblebye, Eljay,

      The Palestinian state will be Islamic.

    • MK Zoabi is apparently not that popular among Palestinian Israelis. When she ran for mayor of Nazareth in 2013, she received just 10% of the vote.

      Note that this is what she says about two states:

      "Two states, I mean a Palestinian state and a neutral democratic state. "

      In other words, the Palestinians can have a state, but not the Jews.

  • Obama's role model to journalists -- Dorothy Thompson -- turned against Zionism and was silenced
  • Forgiving the anti-Semites
    • Kris,
      Could you provide an example -one example- of my expressing support for the oppression of the Palestinians?

    • Danaa, After re-reading my previous comment, I realize that it sounds somewhat paternalistic and condescending. Maybe "teacher-mode" kicked in where it was out of place. So if you were offended by the tone - I sincerely apologize.

    • Danaa,
      As I said, it saddens me that a person raised as a Jew rejects her heritage, and is left with nothing but hatred.
      You seem to have internalized anti-Jewish stereotypes ("full court Jewish establishment") and tropes ("murderous rampages of the henchmen of Mordecai against men women and children…"- totally false, read the Megillah.)
      I'm non-Orthodox, and left-wing, but I still find much I can relate to in the Passover story. The central theme is to remember : that we were slaves in Egypt , and were liberated, and the memory should be very up-close and personal – we should all consider ourselves as having been liberated from bondage. In the Bible itself we are told repeatedly to remember the oppression in Egypt for a purpose- so as not to do the same to others. In Exodus (22:20): And you shall not mistreat a stranger, nor shall you oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.And again: (Exodus 23:9): And you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the feelings of the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt. Also in Deuteronomy (10:19): You shall love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
      We recite the plagues in unison, taking a drop of wine out of our cup with each one. Don Yitzhak Abarbenel (1437-1508) interpreted this custom as reflecting the idea that the joy in our salvation –as expressed in the full cup of wine- is reduced because of the sufferings of the Egyptian people, who are our fellow human beings. This point reminds me of the Midrash according to which God rebuked the angels for wanting to sing when the Egyptians were drowning in the Red Sea : "The works of my hands are drowning in the sea, and you wish to sing praises?!? "(Talmud Tractate Megillah 10b).
      In other words, Danaa, there's a lot to discuss and a lot to learn, while reaffirming and continuing our people's traditions and heritage. You can go to the gym any other day.

    • Amigo, I assume that the "100 recent comments" is continuosly updated, as new comments come in. So the 38 comments by Mooser that I counted was correct for the time that I was doing the count. Later it could change.

    • Marc b.,
      I actually counted today, using the "100 recent comments" function and found Mooser to be the author of 38% of the comments on this blog.

    • I find it sad that Danaa feels so alienated from her people's traditions and heritage , that she preferred not to attend a seder.
      The seder can be conducted in a way that preserves the traditions, while also relating to present-day concerns. We can tell the story of deliverance from bondage while also emphasizing the danger of becoming oppressors ourselves.

  • Non-Jewish Israelis remain faceless, nameless, voiceless in 'New York Times' coverage
    • Giles,
      This is the relevant info on the IDF aid mission to Haiti:

      "On January 14, 2010, the Israel Defense Forces sent a medical and rescue team to Haiti following a major earthquake. The delegation was made up of 236 members who ran a field hospital and rescued people from the rubble.

      During its stay in Haiti, the delegation treated more than 1,110 patients, conducted 319 successful surgeries, delivered 16 babies, including three caesarian sections, and rescued survivors from the collapsed buildings.

      The delegation left 30 tons of medical equipment for use in the ongoing aid effort. This included bandages, surgical equipment, two incubators and other medical accessories, as well as 1,150 blankets, 30 large-sized tents, 500 mattresses, 200 sleeping bags and kitchen equipment. The equipment was distributed to tent cities in different locations in Haiti, under the coordination of the Israeli ambassador to Haiti."
      (Source : IDFblog)

      I'm not naive, and I'm not claiming that the pr angle never occured to the authorities who sent that delegation.... but, so what? It was the right thing to do, whatever the motivations, and , what's most important, it helped the people of Haiti.

    • Marnie,
      Your comment belongs in the damned-if-we-do-damned -if -we-don't department.
      If we would NOT join so many other countries in sending aid to Nepal you would be saying "the whole world sends aid to a country hit by a natural disaster; Zionists don't care".
      If we do send aid -it's a "PR prop".

  • AIPAC-backed legislation targeting BDS movement advances in Congress
    • Israel is the Jewish historic homeland , as proven by the historical and archaeological record, and by the people's memory. Whether or not present-day Jews are all directly, biologically, descended from the ancient Hebrews or Israelites is impossible to prove and in any case is not important in my view, since I'm not a racist and I'm not concerned with “bloodlines”. Personally, I can trace my ancestry to certain 18th century rabbis. Before that - who knows? - but that's probably no different from other nations or ethnic groups .

    • Kris,
      As to your analogy with Denmark:
      Show me any other similar narrative: a people living as a dispersed and often -persecuted minority, yearning and praying every day for a return to their historic homeland, maintaining a continuous presence in said homeland, celebrating holidays which reflect the agricultural cycle of said homeland...and I would support their right to return to thir homeland, as long as they wish to live in peace with -and not displace - the rest of the population.

    • echinococcus,
      Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people, so Jews in Israel are not "invaders" or "colonialists" or anything of the sort, we are quite at home here.
      The same country is also the Palestinian's homeland.
      Two nations sharing the same homeland - that's the reality that both sides need to come to terms with.

  • Jewish and Palestinian women are segregated in Israeli maternity wards -- Chomsky
    • I note that a second youtube link I provided, to a report on the Hamas training child-soldiers, has been deleted.

    • Again, I propose that a Mondoweiss correspondent or commenter get on a plane, land in Israel, and report from a "segregated hospital".

      Meanwhile, :

    • Western Galilee Hospital happens to have an Arab director:
      link to gmc.org.il

      I'm not a professional journalist but I imagine that in Journalism 101 the correct thing to do would be for Mondoweiss to dispatch a reporter to roam the major hospitals in Israel (for example: Soroka, here in Beersheva) and look for those segregated wards...

  • Love letter to a Zionist: NYU project seeks to bridge Israel divide within Jewish families
    • Shmuel,
      (I also missed your comments here, glad to see you're back...)

      I grew up in an extended family, which ranged , politically, from communists to right-wing Zionists and ,religiously, from atheists to haredim. There were constant debates, but , as you say, without crossing certain lines.
      Amos and Fania Oz, in their recent book "Jews and Words" say that what keeps us together is that we're constantly arguing (my paraphrase) - and they may have a point.

  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • Annie, I imagine that Eli Amir's writing is informed by his personal experience. Incidentally, he appears in the movie, in a bit part, as the schoolmaster.
      Again, I recommend that you see the movie, instead of trying to guess what's in it.

    • tree,
      "Iraqi jews in Israel celebrated when two Zionist Jews were executed in Iraq for the Synagogue bombing" ...
      You wouldn't happen to have a source for such an accusation?

    • gamal,
      One thing I've never been accused of is hating literature, probably the most bizarre accusation I've encountered yet..I suppose there's a first time for everything.

    • Once again , I recommend the film "The Dove Flyer" , on the events that brought about the end of the Jewish community in Iraq, and based on the the writings of Eli Amir:

    • (Why can't there be a reply button under every comment? It would contribute to a more coherent discussion.)

      Shingo, Walid,
      An historical event can have short-term and long-term effects, happens all the time. For many Iraqi Jews the Farhud was a shock which had a profound impact on their sense of safety and security.

      Are you seriously saying that it was just a "misunderstanding" ? a "mistake"?"spontaneous"?
      You're completely ignoring the anti-Jewish propaganda spread by pro-Nazi elements , including the infamous Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini who was active in Iraq at the time.
      And yes, the Jews certainly preferred a pro-British regime to a pro-Nazi one. Need I explain why?

      Shingo, I'm not competing with you in knowledge. If you think you know more, I'll take your word for it.

    • 1. An event in 1941 can't have an impact on events in 1951? What kind of historical thinking is that?
      2. If the Farhud wasn't a pogrom I don't know what is.
      The dictionary definition of "pogrom":

      ": an organized massacre of helpless people; specifically : such a massacre of Jews."
      (webster on-line)

      3.The farhud took place in the context of a pro-Nazi revolt. The British were certainly not interested in a "breakdown of security". They were trying to restore the pro-British regime.

    • Tree, Gamal,

      It's important to mention the effect of the pogrom known as the "Farhud" in 1941 in destabilizing and traumatizing the Iraqi Jewish community.

      The crucial point , in my opinion, is that after "tightening the screws" on the Jewish community in a series of legal and administrative measures, the Iraqi authorities then declared that the Jews could leave as long as they did so within a one-year deadline, after which emigration would be prohibited. We're opening the door, but at the end of the year, it will slam shut. Under those circumstances, it's not surprising that the Jews rushed to the exit, and hardly needed a bombing to "encourage " them . The Israeli government itself would have preferred a gradual immigration, and not a panic that meant that Israel had to absorb almost the entire Iraqi Jewish community practically at once. In other words a bombing by Israeli agents doesn't make much sense from the Israeli perspective.

    • The historical fact is that the Iraqi regime took steps to make life in Iraq impossible for the Jewish community: they were dismissed from the civil service , boycotted economically, bank accounts were frozen , access to public facilities, including schools and hospitals - denied. Then the regime declared that the Jews could leave, within a one - year deadline, while relinquishing their property. In this situation the Jews scarcely needed "encouragement" (in the form of bombings ) to leave. It was pretty clear that they had to, before the door would slam shut.

      Looking up Nuri al-Said in wikipedia:
      "Nuri al-Said, the Iraqi prime minister, was determined to drive the Jews out of his country as quickly as possible,[8][9] and on August 21, 1950 he threatened to revoke the license of the company transporting the Jewish exodus if it did not fulfill its daily quota of 500 Jews. On September 18, 1950, Nuri al-Said summoned a representative of the Jewish community and claimed Israel was behind the emigration delay, threatening to "take them to the borders" and forcibly expel the Jews[10]"

    • lysias, The Jewish community in Iraq was pretty much driven out by the Iraqi authorities, not by any false -flag operations.

  • Israel could reduce anti-Semitic violence by not calling itself the Jewish state, Finkelstein says
    • Mooser,
      Apology accepted.

      For myself , I try to live up to the following advice:

      "Guard your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceitfully.

      Shun evil and do good, seek peace and pursue it."

      -Psalms 34 , 14-15

    • Hophmi,
      Yes, that's what I was referring to, of course. "Mooser" has written around 20 comments to that one of mine, including calling me a "mother-fucking anti-semite", which the moderators allowed.
      I'll leave it to any intelligent and fair-minded reader of this forum to judge as to who writes on-topic and in a civil tone and who resorts to abusive personal insults . In any case I no longer respond to his stuff.

    • Shmuel,
      I'll take your word for it regarding the situation in Rome.
      However, in other cities in Western Europe, innocent Jews have actually been killed . Not "bruised" in turf wars, but murdered. Toulouse, Brussels, Paris, Copenhagen.

      After writing the last line , I suddenly remembered that there had been an attack in Rome, back in 1982, when a 2 year old child was murdered:
      link to en.wikipedia.org

    • eljay, (may I call you eljayeee?...)
      I try to do what's right and moral, and I believe in equality, not supremacism. I hope you do, too.

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