Hillary and Bill Clinton met behind closed doors this past weekend with Minister Avigdor Lieberman, among other Israeli officials, at the behest of Brookings’ Saban Center —so JTA reports. Lieberman is a racist. He has supported the expulsion of Arabs from Israel and the execution of Arab members of the Knesset. He ought to be PNG, as the Brits say: persona non grata. He should not be welcome in our borders, he should be denounced, as various European fascists, and ideologues of Islamic terrorism, have been, amid waves of outrage. Was there a peep outside the left? I haven’t heard it.
No: this is an important definition of the Establishment today: religious extremists can find respectable company so long as they are on “our” side. So much for Muslim hearts and minds.
P.S. Michael Brown of Interfaith Peace Builders reports that
he called Lieberman out this weekend:
I ran into Avigdor Lieberman on the steps of the Ritz-Carlton and called
him a racist several times to his face. I then said
his views are not welcome here. Nobody said a word in
attempted contradiction at the entrance to the Saban
event. Friday several State Department/Saban guests
agreed with me when I asked them to speak from their
convictions and challenge Lieberman. Among those who
heard me outside the building was Ami Ayalon. I think
they were on the same panel Sunday morning. What I
don’t know is whether anybody other than me did, in
fact, challenge Lieberman.
No douche bag, Lieberman supported the execution any member of Knesset that met with the terrorist enemy, Hamas- a treasonous act.
The United States, too, has the death penalty for treason.
There are too many statements by Lieberman proving he is a racist. Everyone who follows Israeli politics knows what he stands for but he was considered on the "fringe" of Israeli politics and apologists were quick to dismiss his importance. But does anyone seriously think that his arrival at the mainstream of politics, becoming a Vice Prime Minister, meeting with the Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, meeting with Rice and the Clintons among many others is an accident?
Think again. His program is to solve the demographic problem the annexation of the West Bank would create with forcible "transfer" of the Palestinians to wherever and the expulsion of a great number of Israeli Arab citizens (that's an euphemism for ethnic cleansing).
But of course the New York Times calls this not ethnic cleansing but "trying to reduce the Israeli Arab population" (without elaborating)!!!
He is now more cautious and waters down his statements and his agenda for the goyim's sensitive ears but still, we know a racist when we see him:
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Jews and Arabs can never live together, says Israel's vice PM
By Harry de Quetteville in Jerusalem, The Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13am GMT 05/11/2006
When Avigdor Lieberman, a populist Israeli politician frequently compared to Austria's Jrg Haider and France's Jean-Marie le Pen, proposed to bus thousands of Palestinians to the Dead Sea and drown them there, he was just a fringe member of government.
That was three years ago. But last week the controversial nationalist joined the coalition government led by Ehud Olmert in a much more senior role, as vice prime minister with special responsibility for Israel's most pressing issue: the threat from Iran.
In his first interview since taking office – exclusively with The Sunday Telegraph – Mr Lieberman said that the best means of achieving peace in the Middle East would be for Jews and Arabs to live apart, including those Arabs who now live inside Israel.
Israel was on the "front line of a clash of civilisations between the free world and extremist Islam," he said.
On Iran, he said: "Every week, the president of Iran declares his intention to destroy us."
Mr Lieberman, 48, the leader of Yisrael Beitanu (Israel Our Home), who has previously urged Israel to bomb Teheran, said: "Iran is the base of an axis of evil which is a problem for all the world."
Mr Lieberman, whose addition to the coalition as "strategic threat" minister prompted the resignation of a cabinet colleague, also said that Israel's 1.25 million Arab minority was a "problem" which required "separation" from the Jewish state. "We established Israel as a Jewish country," he said. "I want to provide an Israel that is a Jewish, Zionist country. It's about what kind of country we want to see in the future. Either it will be an [ethnically mixed] country like any other, or it will continue as a Jewish country."
Ophir Pines-Paz, the former culture minister who resigned in protest, decried Mr Lieberman's politics as "racist", adding that the new vice prime-minister – a former bouncer who emigrated from the former Soviet republic of Moldova in 1978 – was himself "a strategic threat to Israel".
Beyond that, however, protest has been muted. There have been no mass demonstrations. Few voters or politicians seem scandalised as they were in 2003.
Analysts say the smooth appointment of a man recently considered an extremist -rabble-rouser is a sign of political radicalisation in Israel.
"After the summer war in Lebanon, many Israelis have moved to the Right," said Gideon Doron, professor of political science at Tel Aviv University. "They think security is bad and trust Palestinians and Arabs less. They don't believe in the possibility of peace through negotiations, so Lieberman has become the centre of a new consensus."
Mr Olmert has insisted that the addition of Israel Our Home to his coalition is tactical rather than political. It bolsters his majority in the Knesset to 78 out of 120 seats, allowing him a margin of security in a country known for its revolving-door governments.
But while Mr Olmert says Israel Our Home will not change government policy, it seems almost inconceivable that the prime minister's main election promise of withdrawing tens of thousands of Jewish settlers from the West Bank will be implemented with Mr Lieberman – himself a settler – in the cabinet.
Mr Lieberman, for one, has other ideas. He has no intention of withdrawing Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Instead, he wants to keep them while, "in return", redrawing Israel's border to eject thousands of Israeli Arabs from the country.
"Minorities are the biggest problem in the world," he said in his soft, Russian-accented English. Asked if Israeli citizens of Arab descent should be forced out through territorial redistribution, he said: "I think separation between two nations is the best solution. Cyprus is the best model. Before 1974, the Greeks and Turks lived together and there were frictions and bloodshed and terror.
"After 1974, they constituted all Turks on one part of the island, all Greeks on the other part of the island and there is stability and security."
When it was pointed out that in Cyprus thousands were forcibly driven from their homes, he replied: "Yes, but the final result was better."
Later, an aide to Mr Lieberman tried to flesh out his remarks. "Israeli Arabs don't have to go," he said. "But if they stay they have to take an oath of allegiance to Israel as a Jewish Zionist state."
Mr Lieberman does not explain how he plans to separate Jews and Arabs in Jerusalem, whose eastern half is home to several hundred thousand Palestinians but which Israel has annexed to form its "eternal and undivided capital". The aide said: "He will not compromise on Jerusalem."
Such hawkish, straightforward sentiments have made Mr Lieberman the most powerful new force in Israeli politics. Since he split with the Likud party and its leader, the former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to form his own party in 1999, he has in effect monopolised the votes of more than a million Russian immigrants. At elections earlier this year, Israel Our Home demolished Likud's traditional grip on the Right to win 11 seats.
Mr Lieberman insists that the world must unite against "an axis of evil led by Iran. Iran is the biggest threat. It's a problem for the whole world, but Israel really has a bad location. We are on the front line between the clash of civilisations between the free world and the extremist Islamic world."
His use of the phrase "clash of civilisations" is another example of what Mr Doron calls Mr Lieberman's "popular straight-talking". But there is one subject on which Mr Lieberman is uncharacteristically coy. When asked if he wants to lead the country one day, he smiled and said: "It's too early for that."
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Lieberman advocates Population Exchange, not "Ethnic Cleansing"
Two million Greeks and Turks were mutually expelled in 1923. Nansen met with fierce opposition but eventually won a Nobel prize for his efforts.
Timmy,
That population exchange which you mention happened only after the Greek and Turkish governments (Venizelos and Ataturk) BOTH agreed to that.
When both parties agree, it is a population exchange. When one side does that forcefully, it is ethnic cleansing, I'm sorry.
Could you enlighten us on which Palestinian or Israeli Arab authority has agreed to any such exchange?
The Turkish/Greek plan met with fierce opposition in both countries and was condemned vigorously by a large number of countries until it was agreed upon.
Which Palestinian or Israeli Arab authority has not agreed to such an exchange?
They need to work it out. Population exchange gets to the root of the problem and has a history of solving problems such as these.
Michael Brown called him out, like Garry Cooper in high noon I suppose. Now, before Brenda, and Lance, and Gene and the rest of the crew chime in here let me make three main points. First, he says Jews and Arabs can't live together peacefully. Well, doesn't the evidence in Iraq support that. Shiites and Sunnis can't live together and at least neither of them would put the opther in dhimmi status. Second, he wants to redraw the borders to incorparate has many Jews has possible and exclude has many Arabs. Surely the Arabs want to get out from under the Zio/Nazi jackboot and live under Hamas rule, don't they? And lastly he wants to execute knesset members who conspire with the enemy. The same exact thing that we would have done in 1943 to congressmen who aligned themselves with Berlin or Tokyo. What exectly is the problem here?
An addendum:
The Clintons had the Arafats over to the White house more than any other leader. Lieberman, unlike Arafat, hasn't had anybody killed. Again, what's the problem here?
Timmy,
Your efforts to present Lieberman's unilateral forcible "transfer" solution (ethnic cleansing) as something comparable to the Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 are truly touching but unfortunately they only prove your ignorance at best if not a deliberate effort to distort and misinform.
That's why he doesn't even mention the Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 (you see, um, a Treaty means negotiations, not unilateralism) but the 1974 Cyprus invasion by Turkey instead:
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"After 1974, they constituted all Turks on one part of the island, all Greeks on the other part of the island and there is stability and security."
When it was pointed out that in Cyprus thousands were forcibly driven from their homes, he replied: "Yes, but the final result was better."
[see above article]
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Be my guest and I will happily supply more juicy quotes by Lieberman from instances where he was talking to more sympathetic audiences than English mainstream newspapers if you insist on presenting him as anything other than a racist bigot settler from Moldova.
Alan:
First of all I like the guy, although he is a little weak on economics but get a grip. He isn't the prime minister and has a grand total of 11 seats in parliament. I will happily furnish multiple quotes from Abbas, Haniyeh, Meshal, not to mention Arab media from Casablanca to Karachi.
Last but not least I don't think that after being a Jew in the USSR under the gaze of the KGB he is going to be particularly fazed by one Michael Brown.
Pearlman,
Of course you like Lieberman. Racists all support each other. Too bad Lieberman is so extreme that even Sharon condemned him stating "We regard Israeli Arabs as part of the State of Israel." A few months later he even dismissed him from the cabinet!
Your three points are another textbook example of your chicanery:
1) Arab Israelis live peacefully among Jewish Israelis for decades. They only ask for the rights every minority in every civilised country has and too bad for you that people like Mandela, Tutu and Carter agree. Comparing this to Iraq's civil war is truly a new low for you.
2) No, the Arab Israeli citizens don't want to get out of their country or have their citizenship revoked, only bigots like you and Lieberman want that. Again, Sharon: "We regard Israeli Arabs as part of the State of Israel." As if that needed to be stated, since they are full citizens, but anyway.
3) For that statement he was condemned by both the Israeli Left and Right and was investigated for racism by the Israeli Deputy State prosecutor. No charges were pressed but the office objected to the content of his statement under very strong terms.
It seems that where you don't find any problem, the Knesset, the Deputy State prosecutor, ministers and even Ariel Sharon do indeed see one.
I guess everyone who reads this blog understands why. When you think Arabs are animals, Lieberman is your man.
But Alan surely life is so intolerable under the rule of the demon Jews that the Arabs would go to any lengths to get out from under. What would be wrong with redrawing the borders in order to ensure maximum numbers of arabs are ruled by their own people. What exactly would be the problem. Surely they would have full human rights under sharia instead of living under the zionist jackboot.
Pearlman,
Since you love Israel so much and would love to have Lieberman as your Prime Minister, why don't you make aliyah and even vote, volunteer for him?
Maybe because you are all words and lip service?
Maybe because not being in the line of fire makes your talking tough easier? Remember that IDF soldier Weiss was writing about?
"[H]e spoke about the pressure on Israelis from the diaspora Jewish community to maintain militant policies. A Parisian Jew tells him that Israel must never give up Gaza, as he pours another espresso. "Well I am the one who must defend and die for your cause while you are having your baguette," the former soldier said, in a surly tone. "This is something that really gets me going. You know what, it doesn't make me feel good."
Yeah Bill, have another espresso.
Alan:
Yes I like Liberman but personally I wish Netanyahu was back. But what does that have to do with the price of beans. The Israeli Arabs are security threats and an economic drain, these are established facts. And personally I'm glad Israel is out of Gaza. Biblically it was really Philistine territory and on a practical level I think Gaza is a classic test case, a petri dish if you will of Palestinian self governement. And it's working out real well so far. Don't you think Alan
Courageous Voice
Sudanese refugees arrive in Israel Photo: Meir Azoulai
Crisis in Darfur Photo: Reuters
Sudanese woman: Arabs murder, Israel defends
(VIDEO) Taraji Mustafa, Sudanese human rights activist living in Canada, sparks row in Arab world when she announces establishment of Israeli-Sudanese fellowship association. 'All the stereotypes I heard about Jews and Israelis were wrong,' she says in interview with al-Arabiya network, where she was invited to 'defend' her stance
Roee Nahmias
Published: 12.08.06, 17:31
VIDEO – The moderate voice of Islam has been heard once again on Arab media, and it appears Israelis can add some of Sudan's population to the list of its new friends.
Taraji Mustafa, a Sudanese human rights activist living in Canada, recently said in an interview with the al-Arabiya network, "Ever since I announced the establishment of the fellowship association between Israel and Sudan, the phone in my house hasn't stopped ringing for two days.
"The response was amazing, from all around the world as well as from Sudan. I got calls from many students and citizens, as well as lawyers who said that they plan to sue the Sudanese government for noting in its passport that citizens are allowed to travel to all countries in the world apart from Israel, thus preventing a large number of its Christian and Muslim citizens from visiting Jerusalem," she added.
Sudan, slightly different (Video: MEMRI)
Mustafa was invited to give an interview to the Arab news network after she announced the establishment of the new association. During the interview, which was held about a week ago and is brought to you by Ynet courtesy of MEMRI – The Middle East Media Research Institute, she was asked to defend her controversial stance.
"Do you have an official mandate or a mandate from the people to establish an Israeli-Sudanese fellowship association, or is this your private initiative?" She was asked.
"I don’t need a mandate to discuss my private beliefs, and those of part of the Sudanese people. Why do I need a mandate to establish a fellowship association with part of the Israeli people which believes in fellowship?" She asked, expressing her surprise over the question.
Racist attitude
"We were able to meet good people of the Israeli people and I am here to say clearly all traditions and stereotypes I heard about Jews and Israelis were erroneous," she said.
"Today there is a Sudanese exiles in Israel who are being protected, and this while we were massacred in Cairo, assassinated in Iraq or expelled from Jordan," she added.
And what about Arabs? "Over the years that passed since we joined the Arab League and won our independence the Arabs failed to give us the feeling that we are Arabs. They always they had an attitude towards the Sudanese people based on stereotypes," she charged.
"The Arabs are involved in what is happening in Sudan in favor of the tyrant regimes … and I don't want to remind you of the disappearance of thousands of members of the opposition in Cairo and the assassinations," she said.
She also criticized the Palestinians: "The Palestinian people shouldn't forget that we, the Sudanese people, opened our doors for them in the days of Sabra and Shatila. The Palestinians should not forget that Jaafar Numeiri (a Sudanese dictator that ruled from 1969 to 1985) burst out during Black September to save Yasser Arafat. Unfortunately this is not taken into account by the Palestinian public and people, who treat the Sudanese people in the most terrible, racist and persecutory manner, only because they are a black people."
She blamed the Arab media of fanning racist attitudes towards the Sudanese, citing that black actors always play the role of waiters, chauffeurs and goalkeepers in Egyptian movies.
'I plan to visit Israel'
Mustafa told al-Arabiya's internet Web site that the setting up of the friendship union was a response to the Arabs' disregard of the crisis in the Darfur region, and to end Sudan's "unfounded enmity towards Israel."
She said that some 20 Sudanese intellectuals joined the union within the first few days of its existence and hinted that anonymous Sudanese politicians intend on pushing their government for normalization with Israel.
She said she intends on visiting Israel in the future.
She revealed plans to approach Israel with the possibility of opening union offices in the Holy Land.
Jewish rabbi calls for extermination of all Palestinian males
Monday, 18 September 2006
A Jewish rabbi living in the West Bank has called on the Israeli government to use their troops to kill all Palestinian males more than 13 years old in a bid to end Palestinian presence on this earth.
Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank, wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race.
"We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article.
Falay is not the first to have called for such extreme measures. Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Kach movement, called for "the transfer of Israel's Arab population to Arab (or other) lands." (As it states on the group's website). Followers of Kahane have been connected to a number of murders of Palestinians, particularly in the Hebron area in the southern West Bank. In the most well-known of such attacks, 29 Palestinians praying in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron were gunned down by Baruch Goldstein, a follower of Kahane, in 1994, with Israeli soldiers looking on and allowing the gunman to reload his automatic machine gun and continue killing innocent civilians. In response to that massacre, the Israeli authorities punished the Palestinian victims by taking over the Ibrahimi mosque and turning half of it into a synagogue, where Israeli settlers go to pray each week. And each year, on the anniversary of the massacre, Israeli settlers in Hebron dress up like Baruch Goldstein and parade through the streets of Hebron, firing guns in the air.
The Kach movement recognizes the 'transfer' of 750,000 Palestinians that took place in 1948 in order for the state of Israel to be created on their land, but argues on their website that this 'transfer' was incomplete, and that all Palestinians must be sent away, or killed, in order for Israel to remain a 'Jewish state'. Their supporters state that Rabbi Kahane's position toward 'Arab-Israelis' can be summarized as: "In a genuinely 'JEWISH State', how can an Arab be an equal when that State has an Independence Day celebrating his defeat. Its flag isn't that of its people. He isn't trusted to serve in the army. His cousin born in Haifa [sic] and fled during the 1948 War of Independence cannot return… yet any Jew who never lived there before is welcomed with open arms. In short, Israel is his enemy's country, not his. So how can an Arab truly be a loyal citizen in a Jewish State? Simply, they cannot, and they must go!"
The idea of extermination of Palestinians, or their 'transfer' into other countries, is not only a view held by extremists on the fringes of society. Prominent Israeli politicians have also made calls for a 'transfer', or ethnic cleansing, based on race. Just last week, on September 11, 2006, an Israeli member of Parliament called explicitly for the transfer of Palestinians (whow he referred to as 'Arabs') from the West Bank (which he referred to as 'Judea and Samaria', the biblical name for the region where the majority of Palestinians now live).
"We have to expel most Arabs from Judea and Samaria," Eitam said at a memorial service for Lt. Amihai Merhavia, a soldier who was killed in South Lebanon in July. "We can't deal with all these Arabs, and we can't give up the territory, because we've already seen what they do there. Some of them might have to stay under certain conditions, but most of them will have to go." Despite a law that would strip Israeli parliament members of their immunity to prosecution if they are found make explicitly racist statements, no investigation of Eitam has occurred on this matter, and there was no condemnation of his statement by the Israeli government.
So
Hillary Clinton has been sucking up to the frummie crowd since she was elected. She'd suck Avigdor's dick in Macy's window to get the Ortho vote.
But, ha ha, they hate her and won't vote for her.
The woman sells her psthetic soul for nothing. No takers.
What is really going on here is probably horse trading among the Russian Jewish oligarchs, about who is going to play hawks and who will play doves in the Dems' new Cold War against Putin.
Rowan, what do you mean? Care to elaborate?
Well, on the face of it, it seems a little outr, even by Jewish standards, for such as the Clintons and Avigdor Lieberman to be hob-nobbing together.
Saban, to judge by his Haaretz interview, has about as clear a grasp of reality as Dutch Shultz had on his death bed.
So, I infer that this is a cover for some wheeler dealing.
Mr. Berkeley, from your stinky flat, whilst you sit in your soiled pajamas, you're not the one to judge the self-made multi-billionaire Saban's grasp on reality.
Bob – irrespective of your attire or place of residence – I invite you to read the Haaretz interview with him and tell me it makes any more sense than The Last Words Of Dutch Shultz did.
What don't you get, you creep?
"I have full confidence in the nation of Israel. It's a nation of towering stature. I don't want to sound racist, but we are a very talented nation. We are a terrific nation. There are great people here. I believe that a nation that began with 500,000 people and defeated seven armies and made the desert bloom will also find an answer to this problem."
BOB_tell em and teach them these GOYIMS are ignorant people, tell em to read THALMUD to understand you
Haaretz Saban interview:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798292.html
Last Words Of Dutch Shulz:
http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/dutch.html