From the Associated Press in Jerusalem:
The Andersons, of Grass Valley, Calif., held back tears Monday as they described their son's critical condition. "We don't know if he'll recover, and if he does, we don't know what abilities he will ever regain," his mother, Nancy, told reporters.
His father, Mike, said Israel must "take full responsibility for the shooting of our son."
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Anderson's injury was "an extremely regrettable result of rioting."
The incident is under investigation, the Israeli military has said, though it is not clear if police will investigate separately.
His father, Mike, said Israel must "take full responsibility for the shooting of our son."
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Anderson's injury was "an extremely regrettable result of rioting."
The incident is under investigation, the Israeli military has said, though it is not clear if police will investigate separately.
(Picture by Tara Todras-Whitehill)
This was not a riot; it was a nonviolent protest against the illegal wall in Ni'lin. As my tipster says, "The amount of lying and self-denial is breathtaking and
pathological."
Weiss:
"As my tipster says, "The amount of lying and self-denial is breathtaking and pathological."
"Anderson had joined a protest against Israel's separation barrier, which cuts off Naalin from 300 acres of olive groves. In the past year, four Palestinians were killed in Naalin by Israeli troops quelling weekly stone-throwing protests against the barrier, according to Israeli human rights group B'tselem."
link to courant.com
Either Weiss or B"tselem is lying.
It's not a good idea to go to a foreign country and get involved in stone throwing demonstrations.
So the wrong here is the stone-throwing. Palestinians should never react in any violent way to the continued theft of their land and property and fragmentation of their society/violation of their right to self-determination.
The wrong here is the stone-throwing, according to this fascist scumbag Julian.
It's not a good idea for the US to provide aid to those who would attack non-violent demonstrators and then lie about it or refuse to fully investigate.
jews do it every day in a land not theirs but jews use missiles, bullets, white phosporus, tanks, bulldozers, media, and much more.
anti semites soiling semite land
roaches on two legs
a million not worth a finger nail
6 million for a cheap soapbar
6oo miles of steel and concrete; the anti semite wall fears one small stone
"It's not a good idea to go to a foreign country and get involved in stone throwing demonstrations."
Is that right?
Maybe it's also not such a good idea to go to a foreign country with billion upon billions of US dollars, as well as military equipment, to get involved in a "stone throwing demonstration". Absent that see what kind of stone throwing demo your shitty little country will devolve into.
Thank-you Phil for keeping us updated about this horrible tragedy
OR, much more likely, the Courant is incorrectly quoting B'Tselem, or choosing to slant its coverage of what B'Tselem has said.
Here is the statement directly from Btselem:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Firearms/20090318_Firing_of_Tear_Gaz_at_Demonstrators.asp
Complete with two videos at the link above of IDF soldiers shooting tear gas canisters directly at protesters. No stone throwing in either case, just tear gas canisters shot directly at protesters.
UN report says Israel used boy as human shield
(What's new?)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_un_gaza_1;_ylt=Ap5hi3buBZLZN3Nztn4skOObOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE2bDlnaW43BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtdW5yZXBvcnRz
More indications of the Courant's bias and slant:
No mention that the 300 acres of olive groves are part of Ni'ilin village, and owned by Palestinians who are now prohibited from tending and harvesting their trees.
As mentioned in an earlier post, there is no mention in the Courant that the ICC and others have deemed the barrier is an illegal land grab, and nowhere does it acknowledge that Israel has confiscated Palestinian land in order to build it.
Neither does it mention that, according to Israeli officials, upwards of one thousand Palestinians cross the separation barrier into Israel weekly, in order to look for work there. So it is not an effective barrier against attacks. It is only effective at impoverishing and harassing Palestinians. See here: link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com
And BTW, Lawrence of Cyberia has done a wonderful series of posts on the background to the IDF T-shirts. link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com
What do the Corries and the Andersons have in common? Kids who they allow to play in war zones. Kids who think it's a grand idea to throw rocks from the West Bank at Israeli soldiers in Israel defending the separation fence (or play in an area where homes are being bulldozed. (And where the bulldozer drivers, to prevent rocks and bullets hitting them, have a metal shield that covers their windshield providing minimal visibility).
Tristan could simply have stayed at Berkeley, where he was arrested for spending 21 MONTHS (!!!!) tree-sitting in protest of the University daring to rip up some trees from the campus that it owns. The Anderson's son spent 21 MONTHS sitting in a tree – they should be very proud of him. Really, the Corries and Andersons have no one to blame but themselves for the tragic events befalling their children.
By the way, Tristan wasn't injured by a bullet as one might infer when reading them say that Israel must take full responsibility for the "shooting of our son". No, he was hit by the tear gas canister that was being used to dispel the rock throwers. I don't blame his parents for shifting the responsibility for this situation off of their shoulders and their son's – but, come on, this wasn't a tree-sitting protest – Tristan amped it up a notch. The good news is that if you are crazy enough to sit in a tree for 21 MONTHS, a head injury shouldn't have any noticeable effect on you.
Why on Earth does anyone need an 'extended range tear gas canister'? How far away do 'stone throwers' and 'rioters' have to be removed from 'the Most Moral T-shirts in the World' for the latter to feel 'safe'?
I feel for the Andersons, in part because obtaining 'clarification' from the AOF will be nigh impossible. The Corries are still waiting too…
A bit of insider information from Alex Stein a British Alya who also served in the IDF:
On Sunday, I went to the protests at the Ministry of Defence following the injuries sustained by American ISM activist Tristan Anderson at the weekly demonstration against the Separation Barrier in Ni’lin. I’ve been to a similar demonstration once before – at Bi’lin – and I can testify to the heavy-handed tactics employed by the IDF, tactics that are not employed when it comes to dealing with settler demonstrations. Anderson was injured by a new tear gas cannister, one that had been banned in the past and only recently reintroduced. One of the demonstrators showed me the offending item; from holiding it I quickly realised that it would prove lethal if fired from close quarters. In a particularly ironic moment, one of the soldiers patrolling the protest warned the demonstrator not to throw it, “as it might cause injuries.”
And like I said before, fascist Zionists (superfluous) like the trolls on this blog begin their critique with the stone-throwing.
Not with the house demolitions. The land theft. The Occupation.
No moral seriousness.
And Harry Fenton shows the type of personality it takes to support the IDF's actions on this occasion. 'Rachel the Pancake', eh, Harry? 'Tristan the Can', perhaps? Heaven forbid that someone wants to draw attention to an injustice: in Harry's world you deserve a 'can in the pan' for that…
The last sentence says it all: you're a sick individual, Harry…
Zionists worship the State. Any form of defiance by Palestinians of the oppression of the Jewish State is tantamount to heresy.
Hence, these 'trouble-makers' must be 'dealt' with for their defiance.
To the Zionist, Palestinians are not people. They are living obstructions to the Zionist project. Illegitimate people. They have no rights and certainly no grounds for dissent.
You don't reason with this sort of lunacy. You destroy it.
The Palestinians need to rise up and destroy the Zionist war machine. Resist at all costs. Fuck em'.
"The amount of lying and self-denial is breathtaking and pathological."
What's new about that? Breathtaking, pathological lying and self-denial has been an integral part of Zionism throughout its history.
Harry Fenton
Yor heart is as hard as granite. You are inurred to the suffering of others. Everyone encounters tribulations and you will receive your share.Could you find the kindness to expresss comfort for Tristan Anderson's mother and father?
Do you know what couthness, decency and good manners are?
May your God have mercy on your hollow soul.
John
Fenton wrote:
"The good news is that if you are crazy enough to sit in a tree for 21 MONTHS, a head injury shouldn't have any noticeable effect on you."
Hey Fenton, did you by any chance have a hand in devising the slogans for those IDF T-shirts? Your comment shows the same kind of nasty cynicism passing itself off as wit.
Gert -
"Rachel the Pancake"?? You're pretty good!!
Rachel and Tristan were just going the easy route by participating in low-level violence against Israeli troops, with the backdrop of Hamasites using larger level violence and bomb-vests against them.
They didn't, and none of you are, protesting injustices by the Hamas authority in Gaza against Palestinians. No one is throwing rocks at Hamas troops – the rocks would hit the women and children they hide behind anyway.
So, I don't have any sympathy for Rachel or Tristan. They wanted to be in a war zone – they got what they travelled for.
Tristan decided he couldn't sit in trees in Berkeley anymore – so he moved on. But the trees don't send missiles into Sderot – that's why the Berkeley police only arrested him and declined to teargas him.
And LD, "resist at all costs. F—- em"?????? You are extremely brave for someone who doesn't live in the region. Resisting at all costs will lead to the deaths of many innocents on both sides. It just shows that you are for deaths – as long as they are in protest. You are the sickos here. Here's a thought experiment. Suppose you decided to throw rocks at your local police officers day after day. Then, suppose, once in a while, you knifed them or blew them up. How do you think they would react the next time they saw you?
And Shirin, "Breathtaking, pathological lying and self-denial has [sic] been an integral part of [Palestinianism] throughout its history."
Amazing, the things Israel does for us American Jews, huh, Harry? Gives us a chance to show ourselves at our best, don't it?
Harry, you aren't even here as a hasbara agent, pro or amateur. If I took your comment to the Israeli Embassy and said, is this how you want Israel represented, I have a feeling he'd say; "Thanks but no thanks, this we don't need" And you know that Fenton, you know it good and goddam well. Israel is your excuse for your vicarious enjoyment of tribal bloodletting, which you make unabashedly apparent whenever you can.
I ask you Fenton, what Hasbara purpose did your little get-dead card serve? Please explain it. Is it part of an Israeli plan to have depraved sadists make Aliyah?
Suppose our police officers were enforcing POLICY and not JUSTICE.
Yea, like I said, FUCK EM'.
This is STATE SANCTIONED INJUSTICE.
You are hiding behind the arbitrary but mainstream legitimacy of not only the Israeli *Army* (and by relation *police officers* in general, which is another issue, implying that OUR police officers are on the same level as the IDF) but also the State of Israel.
I'm the sick one? You are the piece of shit who blindly worships State policy.
You continue to ignore the reason the protesters threw rocks. Hence, no context.
Justice and policy are not the same. They may collude sometimes but they are not inherently the same, EVER.
And when something is UNJUST, action must be taken.
We can say that throwing rocks as a tactic of resistance is foolish but not 'wrong'.
And I hope every single IDF soldier meets their maker. Fuck your fascist Army and your fascist State. And FUCK you, you human filth.
@Fenton:
"Rachel and Tristan were just going the easy route by participating in low-level violence against Israeli troops, with the backdrop of Hamasites using larger level violence and bomb-vests against them."
Neither Rachel nor Tristan were involved in 'low level violence'. Protesting is now violence, even if it's explicitly non-violent? On Anderson, read the B'Tselem report and watch the videos: there was no violence. There had, according to Al Jazeera, been some low level violence, hours before Anderson got hit. These kids from the AOF were just popping off a few, earlier also rubber bullets. This time, aiming in the general direction of the protesters went rather badly wrong. I wonder how the brave shooter feels about all this.
No one deserves to die for protesting for a cause they believe in. Only a heartless idiot like you would justify that. From the IDF, the Andersons will possibly get some condolences, from you: an insult to add to injury. Telling…
I think you're a bit new to all this because 'Rachel the Pancake' was a term concocted by the geniuses over at Pajamas Media (Little Green Footballs), quite some time ago.
Israelis are filth from the sewer.
Again, seriously, watch the video segments in the link above (comment 5.55 pm), they're really telling, both of them. Tear gas for dispersing crowds???? There were no crowds and I didn't see one single stone fly. The IDF has a bad reputation for shooting at non-Palestinian peace-activists and journos. Shot a British reporter dead a few years ago.
Gert – Do you think "Israelis are filth from the sewer". Rykart does. The IDF has to offer condolences – it doesn't mean they respect the interference from the ISM cultists. The ISM, however, should offer condolences for indoctrinating Rachel and Tristan and bringing them into deliberate conflict with armed troops. They don't have the nerve to protest the Hamas bombings of Sderot, because there would then be kidnappings and beheadings of the ISM, so they take the easy way out, knowing that, for the most part, Israeli troops won't hurt them, at least not according to IDF policy.
I don't think we should even be having this discussion. It plays into the Zionazi hands to even acknowledge there is a QUESTION over Israel's routine atrocities in the Occupied Territories. They have been exhaustively documented for decades. The question is how to get rid of Israel.
Again, you ignore the reason why people throw rocks. And you treat State policy like religion.
Why does the IDF empowered by Israel have the right to bulldoze Palestinian homes? Why does the IDF empowered by Israel have the right to annex Palestinian villages?
Etc. etc.
You apply 100% legitimacy to the IDF's actions and by extension, Israel State policy. So of course, if we agree with YOUR premise:
*That the Jewish State is legitimate and completely infallible.*
Then any sort of dissent is 'wrong'.
You go on to state that the ISM 'indoctrinates' it's volunteers.
What a fucking joke.
The ISM volunteers SEE things for themselves. They are right in the middle of it all, watching. They come to their own conclusions.
Now you could make the argument that a certain type of person may get curious about the ISM and wish to then be around them for awhile before making the decision to join, but that does not imply that they have taken any sort of stance.
Plenty of people are just curious out of principle of questioning everything and wanting to learn on their own.
So in actuality, I'd say they are more of the opposite of your characterization.
Fenton and the cowardly filth from the toilet he supports can hardly be blamed for not comprehending the incredible courage and dedication to justice displayed by the members of ISM, who risk their lives so that others may one day find an end to horrible suffering. They are heroes to all those seeking freedom from oppression.
Decent people need to support ALL non violent resistance to Israel and ALL violent resistance to Israel.
Tree-sitting in Berkeley and civil disobedience far from home suggest the guy is a bit goofy, a "sandalista" type.
However, that's hardly a capital offense. The blame lies with the people who used the weapon.
I know exactly what happened…
The following conversation was overheard on a hill over looking Ni'lin where hundreds were protesting the building of Israel's Apartheid Wall in Palestine. The conversation was between IOF Privates Legum Yochai, Orit Bendalak and Dror Segalovitz.
Legum: Hey I’m bored, lets do a threesome.
Dror: No I’m saving myself for Captain Kuznitz, he hates it when I’m all sloppy.
Orit: Why don’t we kill a Palestinian?
Legum: Fuck the Palestinians. I just got back from Gaza; I’m tired of killing Palestinians. Lets kill an American. It’s been almost six years since my cousin Tibor pancaked Rachel Corrie with his weaponized D-9. Lets have some real fun.
Dror: After all the killing we just did in Gaza aren’t you afraid the people in America might be paying more attention to our murderous ways?
Legum: Dror you are such a dumb ass. I got just three words for you. United States Congress!
Dror, Orit and Legum: Hyena like laughter.
Legum: There will be a one week investigation and the IDF will conclude the killing was accidental but justified. Liberal White Boy will write a post about what murderous assholes we are. A few thousand of his readers who already know that we are depraved fucks will read it. Big fucking deal. Somebody grab the tear gas gun.
Orit: Go for the blond haired dude, I heard he was a tree hugger. But don’t hit the Jewess standing next to him.
Dror: Fires tear gas gun at American.
Legum: Direct hit!
Dror, Orit and Legum: Hyena like laughter.
Legum: Now lets go smear our special light unto nations shit somewhere.
Case closed.
Harry – regarding police: Rather than envisioning a situation in which we might throw stones at police (for truly we don't need to do so, we can simply look at all the countries were those who do not have access to resources throw stones at those who have access to bountiful resources) consider instead something which, reportedly, happened recently.
My understanding is that in the first strike of Operation Cast Lead, the civic police force of Gaza was targetted and eliminated, many of them by missile fire. Dozens of citizen police, a group of whom were graduating from academy, were killed by the Israel Defense Forces.
Would you discuss with us the purpose of doing so? Further, please, would you explain how this fits within the concept of a just war?
Explain why Israeli apologists kept referring to the casualties of the 2006 Lebanon War as a result of Hezbollah's "use of human shields" when both Human Rights Watch and the US Army War College dismissed this bullshit.
The latter basing their study on interviews with Israeli soldiers who fought in the war.
Explain why Zionists spew out these allegations that Israel itself regularly does and has even legalized at some point.
Now, now LD, 'do you know what couthness [sid], decency and good manners are?" Such profanity.
The ISM are partisan hacks who recruit kids to confront armed forces. They only confront the Israeli armed forces because they know that the armed forces of the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Jordanians, the Iranians, and even the US armed forces, would not treat them with the kid gloves that the Israelis generally treat them with.
The ISM is a cult. They "SEE" things just like Scientologists do.
What ISM doesn't seem to care about is Hamas bombings of Sderot and other Israeli cities, Iranian arming of Hamas and Hezbollah in a proxy war, Hamas' brutal campaign against Palestinians who are against Hamas (and the murders of Fatah party members in Gaza recently).
The ISMers fly into Israel and lie about what they are going to do in the country. If you fly into a US or European capital and declare that your intention is to protest the border fence with Mexico or protest British occupation of Gibraltar, you will be turned away. If you fly into Saudi Arabia to protest the unequal treatment of women during the Hajj, you will be executed by hanging if you dare enter Mecca under false pretenses.
Civil protests, action alerts, blogs, leaflets, sit ins, demonstrations, COUPLED with unremitting attacks on Israeli aircraft, Israeli cafes, Israeli sun bathers, Israeli shopkeepers, Israeli yoga instructors, Israeli dentists, israeli busses and trains, Israeli TV stations, Israeli yam farms and Israeli country music festivals.
That is the only way this fight can be won.
"Tree-sitting in Berkeley and civil disobedience far from home suggest the guy is a bit goofy, a "sandalista" type. However, that's hardly a capital offense. The blame lies with the people who used the weapon."
True. Hardly a capital offense. I don't think Tristan "deserved" to be injured or Corrie "deserved" to be killed. But to say he and ISM share no blame in his death is ridiculous. If you continuously provoke armed troops just out of high school who are jittery and nervous about being blown up by Hamas, then you court extreme danger. The blame lies with ISM for bringing a tree-sitter, who obviously has no judgment, into a war zone.
The only way that the ISM can continue to do this is that they know that the IDF doesn't encourage the shooting of tree-sitters. In this case, he was "shot" with a tear gas canister. I am not joyous about it – I just don't think it indicates that Israelis are the foaming-at-the-mouth-murderous-imperialists that you paint them as. Maybe the ISM should be more careful with its cultists lives.
1 shot 2 kills with crosshairs over an Arab woman's belly.
Sounds pretty "foam at the mouth murderous imperialist" to me and so does report after report after report after report after report concerning the IDF scum from the toilet and their atrocities which come NOT from ISM but courtesy Israel's leading newspaper, Ha'aretz.
So keep lying.
Rykart – Violence breeds violence. That's one reason why it's such a difficult situation. If, as appears is true, the comparatively few deaths resulting from insurgent rocket fire is purposeful, then the tactics of whoever planned it seem impeccable.
I think the Israelis fear the Palestinians and all those whom they identify as their enemies because they themselves believe that the enemy must die and have spent some sixty years acting on that belief. Therefore, they expect like behavior from the Palestinians etc. (Make no mistake about the identification of the enemy by those who are pro-Israeli: if you do not support them, you are an enemy equal to the Palestinians.) A comparison can be drawn to the fear of the South Africans as they approached the end of Apartheid.
Not reason to allow Israel to continue to threaten the world as they do, but not reason for continued violence either.
Rykart:
You wrote: "Civil protests, action alerts, blogs, leaflets, sit ins, demonstrations, COUPLED with unremitting attacks on Israeli aircraft, Israeli cafes, Israeli sun bathers, Israeli shopkeepers, Israeli yoga instructors, Israeli dentists, israeli busses and trains, Israeli TV stations, Israeli yam farms and Israeli country music festivals. That is the only way this fight can be won."
So, to be clear, you advocate murder of Israeli civilians. You are the cause of the problem. You are the reason that "tree-sitters" are being killed. You are to blame for Rachel Corrie's death and Tristan's head wound. You have no issue moving from demonstration to killing yoga instructors. The Israeli soldiers are hearing you loud and clear and are responding in the only rational way – they don't trust anyone with hostile intent. If you are a protester, according to Rykart, you deserve to be killed because the next step is a bombing of a bus. Well that's exactly what Israel is facing – it's amazing that they are able to keep the body count down given the extreme hatred that they are up against.
Rykart's beliefs are why there are now T-Shirts making fun of killing civilians. Rykart's beliefs will just make the Israelis feel justified in doing whatever it takes to stop the violence from the Palestinians – no holds barred.
And no Margaret, this is not Apartheid. The only Apartheid in the region has been the Muslim Apartheid against the Jews. How many Jews are allowed to travel to Saudi Arabia? How many are allowed to live freely, as non-dhimmis, in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon or Libya?
The White South Africans came from Holland and England. They never had any ties to Africa, let alone the southern part.
Jews have had intense and continuous connections to Israel. Unlike the White Africaans, Israelis come from a huge color and racial spectrum – there are European looking Israelis (of course, in Europe, they were "swarthy" and "dark-complexioned" and "Jewish looking", etc.), Persian Jewish Israelis, Iraqi Jewish Israelis, Syrian Jewish Israelis, Yemenite Jewish, Ethiopian Jewish Israelis, Moroccan Jewish Israelis, Egyptian Jewish, Palestinian Jewish Israelis, Afghan Jewish Israelis, Bukharan Jewish Israelis, Libyan Jewish Israelis, Indian Jewish Israelis and Chinese Jewish Israelis, etc.
It is the Jews who have been massacred and maimed and converted and ethnically cleansed over the years, in the Levant, in Arab and Persian lands, in Spain and in Europe. You're turning the reality on its head to express your own vicious brand of anti-Jewish racism.
Sure, fenton
That's why the israeli filth are brutalizing the Bedouin of the Negev. They are a REAL existential threat!
No one accepts your Nazi vomit any more. The entire human rights community, the UN, Ha'aretz, Bt'selem and even IDF eyewitnesses to israeli barbarity say you're a miserable fucking liar.
yeah…rykart's beliefs are why the Nazi Ben Gurion waved his hand across the land and said "get rid of them!"..meaning the Palestinians. (of course there's the small matter of the fact that i wasn't even born when your filth from the toilet commenced their ethnic cleansing.)
Israeli civilians? There's no such thing as an Israeli civilian. Membership in their terror organization is mandatory for all citizens. I'm sure you're aware of that.
Let the garbage from SHITerot pay for what they and all the israelis have wrought. They've massacred their way out of any further sympathy from the world. People around the globe look upon israel with revulsion.
Fenton doesn't even know what apartheid means. Go away you fucking scumbag.
Harry – I said the fear was like that of South Africans as Apartheid was ending.
People do have strong feelings about the ground they live on. Other people must deal with those who consider their strong feelings to be more important than those of anyone els. Is that all there is to the situation with Israel?
Reducing the activity of the Israeli State and the IDF to strong feelings about land serves to divert attention from the more important issue of what comes from those lands and the economic value of having control over it. At present, Israel seems to be run as a junta that seeks to expand it's "conquest" of territory; i.e. settle on and use the resources of the land. In other countries, people have a say in whether they want to sell their land when approached by those who are desirous of owning it. The routine repudiation of property rights in Israel/Palestine is a notable feature of daily life.
Tell me, are there policemen in Israel, or where you live? What are your feelings toward them? How would you feel if nearly the total force within your state was eliminated by air and ground attack?
Four policeman died this week in a shootout in California; the state is in mourning. Is the difference in values apparent to you? Do you recognize the implications? I'll elucidate: Right now, in California, Jewish-Americans mourn with their fellowmen the death of public servants who live and die by this motto: To protect and defend.
That Israel is not capable of the insight to recognize the transgression of their acts is beginning to seem pathological.
Margaret,
If the Israelis believed as you suggest, they would have cleared Israel of Bedouin and friendly town-dwellers and internal refugees in '49, as every Jew was expelled from the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, Egyptian Gaza, and the Syrian bridgehead. They would have taken advantage of the flight of half the population of the West Bank in '67 to push out the rest of the population in the summer of '67, rather than allowing many to return. There would be no uncooperative Syrian Druze on the Golan. Decisions are ad hoc, clumsy, undertaken in an atmosphere of legal vacuum, rather than the kind of calculated cruelty that characterized the Balkan Wars. You ascribe too much clarity, too much evil, and too much competence to what is often a clumsy, small Levantine state.
White South Africans enjoyed a native and citizenship status in the eyes of the ANC that no Palestinian organization has ever extended to any Jews, even indigenous Palestinian Jews, except for Neturei Karta, who are marginal anyway. Israel, for all that, has opened citizenship, union membership and social security to its Arab citizens. But your overheated rhetoric does function as a reminder to the Israelis that their worst fears about their enemies' goals are thoroughly justified.
Palestinian Authority policemen, whether Hamas or Fateh, have been significant participants in terror attacks against Israeli civilians in Israel for the past 13 years. It is unremarkable that Israel would regard them as unlawful combatants in opening a retaliatory offensive, since that is all they have ever been.
Eurosabra,
Do you feel the Israeli people would consider the slaughter of their police differently than people in other parts of the world?
Are they truly that different? Or do you simply need them to be perceived as that different in order to continue in your battle against those who would counsel Israel to be just in its treatment of others.
Israeli civilians..we've already established the term as an oxymoron.
Yes euro..the filth of israel are VERY upset that their ethnic cleansing of '48 was only partial. Benny Morris made that quite clear in Ha'aretz.."our mistake was not to get rid of all of them."
So now they have to try other tactics.
As to apartheid, Mandella and Tutu, each boasting a certain familiarity with apartheid, have seen the Occupied Territories and declared the condition MORE appalling than what they suffered. Ditto, the human rights lawyer and UN Special Rapporteur (and anti-apartheid activist) John Duggard.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=468456
..any particular reason we should believe a dirtball apologist for israel over these authorities?
atrocities and more atrocities:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1073243.html
This stuff POURS out day after day, year after year.
And you deny it.
You ought to have your skull smashed.
Harry Fenton, apologist for any kind of atrocity as long as it is being committed on anyone except an israeli jew… i don't think you would hold that view if it was done to a jew… your presence here is helpful in clarifying how sick 'som' supporters of israel are engaging in the type of apologies you offer for israel… i think you are pathetic for the views you suggest here..
It is worthwhile to compare the treatment of the death of Daniel Pearl and that of Rachel Corrie: Robert Lindsay: Daniel Pearl’s Dad Takes On Anti-Zionism.
The Kent State incident helped bring an end to the Vietnam War. The National Guard troopers were young
and jittery, the equally young protestor crowd (males, draft avoiders) unruly. Four American students died, three of them Jews. I imagine their families wouldn't think much of Harry Fenton's attitude, but I could be wrong.