From Scott McConnell:
A Dallas judge has meted out heavy sentences to five Arab American men, associated with the Holy Land Foundation, for funneling $12 million to Hamas, designated by the US government as a terror organization. The defendants maintained that their fundraising was devoted exclusively to humanitarian ends, to alleviate Palestinian suffering, --and denied it had anything to do with Hamas. Prosecutors did not dispute that the money went solely to humanitarian projects, but convinced a jury of the Hamas links. If they serve their sentenced terms, most of the men will spend the rest of their lives in prison.
From a distance, I assume the defendants did know that the funds they collected would go to Hamas. Hamas has indisputably fomented terrorism against Israeli civilians—a tactic not only morally disreputable but one which has done great harm to the Palestinian national cause. It is also now the principal group representing the political aspirations of the Palestinian people—at least that is what most Palestinian voters say. Under President Obama, US diplomats are beginning a delicate dance, resembling America’s off again on again efforts to begin talks with the PLO in the 1970’s and 80’s. They are seeking a formula to deal with a Palestinian government which includes Hamas representatives.
Despite George Washington’s warning against foreign attachments, it is more or less inevitable that a fair number of Americans will try to aid foreign national causes. Lots of Irish-American money went to the IRA, a terrorist organization (among many other things). Lots of Jewish-American money has gone to Israeli groups that have used terror against the British, UN diplomats, and Palestinian Arabs. Jewish charities still fund aggressive Israeli settlement practice-illegal under international law. Indeed, some of these charities receive tax deductions.
Hamas is a fraught subject, because of its official designation as a terror organization. I once heard a prominent and prolific Mid East history professor say that he never wrote about the group for fear of being prosecuted. The fear strikes me as far-fetched, but I don’t dismiss it.
Let me venture a prediction—that though Holy Land Foundation head Shukri Abu Baker and several of his associates have received what amounts to life sentences, they won’t spend their lives in prison. The United States will, eventually, deal with Hamas—it will have to if it wants to engage seriously with the Israel-Palestine issue, and there is every indication that Obama feels that commitment. When that day comes, life imprisonment for Hamas supporters in America will no longer seem appropriate, Noor Elashim, Zaira Abu Baker, and Eman Eal Mazain will see their fathers again, outside the prison walls.
Who's side are you on Adam? Money is fungible. That makes it blood money by any standard. I hope they rot in prison the rest of their lives and to be honest, in my perfect world, you would be in there with them for the ignorant demonization you engage in, which is a proven precursor to genocide. What you do is perverse and despicable beyond words.
Hopefully soon. Hopefully Hamas will go the way of the PLO, and acknowledge that Israel is there and is not going to disappear and actually reconcile, regardless of encouragement from the western left, Iran, jihadists to the contrary, based on a past-oriented definition of what justice is. Forward ever, backward never. The US is important in determining whether an actual Palestine will come to exist, and not just a corner or an autonomous district.
If I understand that trial correctly, they were convicted on the theory that the funds they sent for humanitarian aid freed up money Hamas would have spent for such work (an unsubstantiated conjecture), and allowed them to spend it on military projects. They were never shown to have contributed a red cent to anything other than humanitarian aid. What a complete farce. This logic would imprison hundreds of extremist American Zionists who give money to 'humanitarian' relief of Israeli colonies in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. This foreign conflict is bringing corruption back to America, making a mockery of equal justice under the law.
And in that context, let's hope as well that Likud removes from its charter the denial of a Palestinian state. You would support that as well, correct?
Adam, I wish I could be as optimistic about the American criminal justice system as you are, but unfortunately I have no doubt that those men will serve out their sentences in full. We have a system where injustice reigns supreme–preventive detention is becoming a norm, prisoners are tortured, the lowest of drug dealers do life, and so on. We have the harshest sentences in the western world, and incarcerate more prisoners, and for more offenses than anyone else. Our system excludes any shred of decency. Sorry to say that, as a lawyer.
Absolutely. I'd prefer a stronger liberal – left moreso.
How come those who supporter Likud terrorism are not receiving prison sentences, like these men whose crimes are that they are relatedto Hamas members, yet who were raising funds for poor Palestinians Richard? Do you realize how this is perceived by many of us? It is quite frustrating to know that this politicized trial is called justice in America…
The hypocrisy is beyond ridiculous, and becomes criminal.
"Hamas has indisputably fomented terrorism against Israeli civilians—a tactic not only morally disreputable but one which has done great harm to the Palestinian national cause." I think that's very simplistically put. Armed struggle, including 'terrorism', are the last resort of the oppressed. In the absence of any realistic counter-force, the oppressor carries on as usual. Only some form of pressure, force (if needed physical) may actually make them change course. For Hamas terror, blame the US and EU for never applying any pressure on the Usurper Entity and for forever siding with the oppressor and against the oppressed. The world therefore hasn't only got the blood of innocent Palestinians on their hands but also the blood of Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorism. But don't let it keep you awake at night…
The judge says that even though the $12 million raised by the Holy Land Foundation was used for charitable purposes, because money is fungible it freed up funds for Hamas “terrorism” activity. But wait a minute, isn’t that what US “aid” to Israel does? Free up funds for the IDF to bombard Gaza and for Israeli settlers to build swimming pools for Jews in the Occupied Territories with fungible U.S. billions to Israel? Political Judaism and its federal government fellow travelers are trying to send a message with this sentence: Jewish Zionist and Israeli interests are supreme and their foreign loyalties are to be encouraged, and Muslims and their foreign charities are dirt, and will be treated as such. The double standards is so glaring that it’s really the only conclusion to be drawn. Official US government policy is now Jewish Supremacism. Now I understand why all those hyper-activist, Statist Jews have been so hell bent on destroying the US Constitution and its restraints against government excess for all these years: they wanted to put the US government to work on behalf of their own supremacist agenda.
Prosecutors did not dispute that the money went solely to humanitarian projects. According to the version I picked up, they did dispute this: Hamas, the evidence showed during trial, parlayed that aid into support for its violent agenda to destroy Israel. That included funneling aid to family members of suicide bombers, ensuring a steady stream of new suicide recruits, testimony showed. Now, the two terms used interchangably there, 'evidence' and 'testimony", probably refer to the testimony — not evidence — provided by an Israel official allowed to testify anonymously that Hamas members were among the leaders of Holy Land's benefactors. The Israeli agent, who testified under the pseudonym Avi, also appeared in the 2007 trial.
And the Jewish Supremacist agenda is also consistent with the war in Iraq, and the maturing effort for war with Iran (not to mention those billions in federal funds going to bail out the hugely disproportionately Jewish Wall Street financial sector.) I see. It all is finally starting to make sense now. The liberals who demanded we're not living in a Christian nation were right all along. We're living in a Jewish Supremacist nation, and have been for some time. Every federal government policy and initiative now needs to be analyzed through that lens. I fear some out-of-the-loop Statist “liberals” might not like what they find.
Marion, this reminds me of an old story I heard years ago down south when I was growing up. Sen. Russell Long (D-La) told one of his more recalcitrant backwoods Louisiana colleagues why the state would have to go along with school integration. Simply, as Long put it: "The feds got the H bomb now, bubba". Not to carry the analogy too far, school desegration had morality, justice, and ethics on its side. You know this of course, but the obvious point is that a state that has the legal monopoly on violence in our upside down world–as Israel and the US do–can never be considered terrorist. Might makes right is the norm. Was the Soviet Union ever considered a terrorist state during the Cold War? Bitter, treacherous enemies perhaps, but it was a legitimate state and a member of the club.
They may be terrorists, but they're our terrorists–only honest way of framing US-Zionist policy.
Hamas made a CHOICE, not adopted a "last resort".
The double standard is a euphemism for the chasm between the treatment of things Israeli and Palestinian. And that goes as well for things Iranian. Roxana Saberi has been treated and feted as a heroine despite the fact that a secret Iranian document on the U.S. invasion of Iraq just happened to fall into her hands. She admitted that she had it but denied that she disseminated it. And her word and international outrage, not least from the U.S. State Department, was enough to free her. But when sympathetic Palestinians in the U.S. collect funds to help suffering Gazans they get a 65 year prison term. Where's the international outrage over their treatment? Yet we persist in claiming that we know what justice is. What frauds we are!
As a lawyer too, I agree. That little twerp Truman got us into this mess; Ike reigned them in; Kennedy tried to–he knew Begin was an old terroist; he knew as well the defective Fed Reserve and monetary system… Bush Sr got slapped down for tying loan gurantees to uprooting settlements…. Carter & Shrub knew which side their bread was buttered–Obama? Time will tell, perhaps by Xmas next.
Yeah, like a tenant has a choice in a slum tenement building; you'd make a good slum landlord, Mr Witty–do you have such fellows for clients? Further, the Irish were fighting the Brit occupiers on their land. And in no substantial way can Irish American political leverage be compared with AIPAC's.
A real kangaroo–did anyone get to confront this Israel official? Did an advocate get to impeach his or her credibility?
Thanks Fineline. A US spy walks from Iran, while Americans compelled to help the poor Palestinians end up with lifelong sentences.
Colin, Israel is not labeled a terrorist organization by the US. So your logic sucks, I know you hate Zionists but think before you speak! Don't let your emotions get the best of you.
Ed, you need some new talking points.
The Palestinians need to get their hands on some Blackhawks. It's not terror when you strafe from on high.
Actually that is already the case. Hamas has already recognized they'll have to negociate, and said they had joined the international consensus, aka the '67 borders. Nevertheless, Israel should, in principle, disappear, as it is an illegitimate entity, built on stolen land. In this way, the Hamas people are more zionist than me.
You forgot Clinton — surrounded by Jews, getting Lewinsky's on the side, pretending to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinians even as he sends a team of Saynim as the "American" so called "mediators." This is the kind of trash that passes as leadership in modern America. At least Reagan knew enough not to let the ear-whispering Jewish Zionist Neocons who had started to infiltrate the GOP establishment during his administration use the Beirut attack on the Marines to draw America into a Mideast war, even though he did allow himself to get burned by Jewish Zionist intrigue with Iran Contra. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/I... As much grief as these Zionists have brought the country, only the official federal policy of taxpayer-financed Jewish Supremacism and the Jewish Supremacist media explains the lack of an organic correction. Their entire house of cards is built upon bribes, ethical and moral corruption, and artifice. This situation simply cannot last. It's unnatural. And one day, all of those who have collaborated will go down in infamy as the Benedict Arnold's they are.
This trial and others like it, just like the dismissal of the case against the AIPAC agents, just like the judgments that have been handed down by US courts against the PLO, Hamas, and Iran, for the deaths of American Jews in Israel, offer ample evidence that our courts, like our Congress, is Israeli Occupied Territory. The US has adopted Israel's enemies as its own despite the fact that none of these "enemies" has ever attacked anyone any institution on American soil.
More importantly, Hamas was fostered by Israel as a counterweight against the PLO. Also, the appearance of Hamas on the scene is certainly not a sad event, a coincidence, a spoiler when peace was almost at hand. Don't tell me you were surprised that such an organization was created, after years of occupation and oppression. Hamas is an outgrowth of Israeli policy. 'Israel made a CHOICE. It did not adopt a last resort.'
That included funneling aid to family members of suicide bombers, ensuring a steady stream of new suicide recruits, testimony showed. I think you're trusting them too fast Rowan. Think about this: if someone from your family commits suicide and your house is destroyed, as it is standard policy, aren't you in for rough times ? Hamas always helps such families with money. It is simply implied in the above passage that it's actually a way to get new recruits. But I could see it as humanitarian.
Deport Political Judaism, root and branch, to Israeli soil. Hang its collaborators who have infiltrated the federal government and knowingly betrayed America on Israel's behalf.
I didn't say I agreed with this 'testimony' – I just reported it.
Oh, okay.
They weren't raising money for poor Palestinians, they were raising money for terrorism. They were convicted of supporting terrorism. Scott McConnell realizes most people out there haven't read about the case and he can spin it in his typical pro Hamas way.
In principle the entire Arab world except for Saudi Arabia is illegitimate and should disappear. Every country in the region was invaded by Arabs. The ancient Egyptians who built the Pyramids were not Arabs, they were Africans. Egypt was invaded and ruthlessly taken over. Virtually The entire Arab world is on stolen land.
So enlighten us. You say it as if it's so glaringly obvious. So just tell us what you know about the case.
Once again you give your idiotic legal theories. These convicts are guilty of aiding a terrorist entity. The government didn't care and have the facility to track the money after it went to Hamas. We have laws in the US. and these chaps broke them. Now they will have the rest of their lives to think over their errors.
Thanks, Litthorn. I was hoping that Witty's canard would not go uncorrected. For a guy who supposedly wants some kind of resolution that idea, that the Palestinians want to kill all the Jews, is very, vwery prescious to him.
Palestinians should be given as much military aide as the ZioNazis so they can fight Israel w/ the same ruthlessness and cruelty.
No idiot the Judge never said what you claim. You are quoting another moron, Scott McConnell. The Judge said: "You did support Hamas in violation of the law," Solis told Elashi. "If the Holy Land Foundation did have a face, it was the face of Hamas." Justice has prevailed.
This is the US. of course the defense cross examined the witness.
"Don't let your emotions get the best of you."____Thank God that never happens to Zionists! And where exactly did Mr. Murray let his emotions get the better of him? __And I don't want to shock you Yoni, but people are allowed to hate Zionists. I can be offended as quick as anybody when people seem to hate Jews. But Zionists are playing in an arena, armed sovereign states, their policies and war, where people are going to hate them, and for good reason. ____I've been reading Colin Murray's comments here for a long time, and never have I felt they were motivated by hatred or discredited by excessive emotion. So I suspect there might be an element of projection in your characterisation of him.__
So did those Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. They should have negotiated and compromised. And, just as the Nazis could have, at any point, in spite of all the damage they've done, decide "today we will start beink nice", why, there's no reason for Hamas to develop any implacable attitudes. Where is their broad, flexible outlook. Certainly, whatever the Israelis have done up to now is no reason to believe that tomorrow they won't completely change. Only hatred and genocidal fanaticism could possibly make a person think that. Sure, why shouldn't they just accept their situation, after all, we Jews loved our ghettos, didn't we. We never wanted any kind of self-determination, why should they?
Is Ed stating he deserves to be hung as a traitor to American Ideals? Great! Regardless, certain Islamic Americans will now go to prison for funding terrorism. Why isn't Ed dancing in the streets? I guess it's because Ed is a traitor to the US.
"We're living in a Jewish Supremacist nation, and have been for some time. Every federal government policy and initiative now needs to be analyzed through that lens" Aw, c'mon, Eddie, just for me, you wanna agree that maybe that syayement is maybe a bit too strong, categorical and exclusive. Seems to me there is a confluence of supremacisms, all recently (last couple decades) liberated and activated by political opportunities to try and effect their supremacist ideas? Or do you insist that it's gotta be all the Jew's doing?
Aw' C'mon, Yakob, just for Yoni, don't let your emotions get the better of you.
I think Jewish Zionists tap into Jewish supremacist undercurrents on both the Judeophile liberal Left and the Judeo-Christian Right, and Plutocratic elements from both, and partner with venal gentile politicians in one big political group-grope that has turned murderous. I think the West (particularly the post-Christian West) is far more sympathetic to Jews than it is to Muslims vis-à-vis the Judeo-Islamic conflict. And I think that Political Judaism uses its operatives in America to exploit gentile sympathies for Zionist political gain. I have no doubt that unless America is extracted from this state of affairs, there will eventually be a world war fought with Islam that could last generations. (In fact, its seems to have already started.) Alternative: Uproot Political Judaism from American soil and plant it in Israel where it belongs. Let it sink, swim, bloom or shrivel on its own merits, or lack thereof. Only dedicated members of the Political Judaism apparatus need pack their bags, but those that stay must forget about politically organizing on behalf of American wars for Zionism or US taxpayer welfare to Zionism, which is no more deserving of American welfare than were Communism or Nazism, or than is Political Islam.
Exactly Jeff… Another example of adopting Israel's enemies is the Fawzi Assi case: Detroit man pleads guilty to charges of bid to aid Hezbollah This was his crime against Israel: "…Assi was stopped in July 1998 when he attempted to board a flight from Detroit to Lebanon with two Boeing-manufactured global positioning system kits, night vision goggles and a thermal-imaging camera. In his plea, Assi said he was attempting to deliver the equipment to a person in Lebanon who he knew was buying the gear for Hezbollah. In an earlier hearing, FBI agents testified that Assi had told them during questioning that he supported Hezbollah's goal of driving Israel out of southern Lebanon….." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it...
Citizen– I graduated law school 30 yrs. ago this month. Don't know when you got out, but in my wildest dreams no one, absolutely no one, whether from the far left to the far right would have ever entertained the possibility whatsoever that preventive detention, legalized torture, denial of habeas corpus, etc., could have ever been the norm thirty years later. Anyone who thought along those lines would have been laughed out of class. It just wasn't within the legal framework. Good lord, what do the lawbooks those kids study nowadays look like? I can't imagine. My world of law is over.
Thanks Jeff. AIPAC spies have charges dropped. American Israeli charities raise money for militant settlers without prosecution. Helping Lebanese Shiites defend themselves against Israeli invasion is treated as a heinous crime.
The "Judeo-Islamic conflict"? So you don't see many denominations of Christians as eager to provoke a conflict with Muslims? Or have all those right-wing evangelical guys who are presently oh, corrupting the Air Force Academy, or trying to use soldiers as Christian missionaries in Iraq and Afghanistan as having any part in it? Or are they all controlled by Jews. You are really setting yourself a tough row to hoe, Ed. You are trying to find a way, now that your project to cast Jews as Communists doesn't seem to be selling, to excoriate right-wing Jews and their projects, without ever mentioning or admitting that other non-Jewish right-wing politics are playing an even bigger part.
The US has not declared those settlers to be terrorists nor that they belong to a terrorist organization. Unless you have just declared yourself to be ruler of America, your opinion on the matter is worth squat.
A stipulate that gentile Right Statism and gentile Judeo-Christian Zionism are playing huge roles in American warmongering, right along with Jewish Zionism and Left Statism. I never said all Jews were Communists, but a believe that Judaism's refusal to proselytize makes *authoritarian* Jews predisposed towards Statism in order to co-opt the State on behalf of their agenda to compensate for Judaism's lack of numbers. Because Right Statism has traditionally been hostile to Jews, they historically pursued Left Statism (ie Communism). I don't consider Judeo-Christian Zionists or Judeo-Christian Statists to be Christians. They're more akin to authoritarian Jews, and it shows.
The American settlers outside the Green Line are armed militants who need to be brought to justice. They should be subject to the same laws John Walker Lindh was sent to prison for. They are terrorizing a native population whether the US government formally recognizes it or not. However, in the interests of peace, they should be given the opportunity to lay down their arms and renounce Israeli sovereignty and accept citizenship in a Palestinian state, if the Palestinians should agree to such an arrangement, before they are investigated, tried and imprisoned if found guilty. As an American, I consider my opinion sovereign to any official government position. The government may be able to restrict, by armed coercion, the actions of its citizens, which should be used to protect its citizens from criminals, like those settlers, but not their opinions, or the communicating of them.
Mooser, Your willingness to lie about my attitudes is very irritating. I won't waste much time on you, except to request that you either quote or state "I", rather than attribute false comments to me.
The US federal government, a foreign occupied entity, has no legal, ethical, or moral authority over American sovereigns loyal to the American (not Israeli) flag. Go pound sand, Zionist.
Israelis did change Mooser. They changed from the hope and willingness to accept the other following Gaza (ok only 70% of the population), to disappointment and hopelessness following the very brutal era of Hamas terror in the 90's, and now the cynicism following two wars (compelled by Hezbollah and Hamas actions and confirmation of intention to fight by shelling civilians). Hopefully things will improve. Maybe Phil's comments will help.
You're absolutely right. We should find those people, or rather their heirs, who were wronged centuries ago, along with their property certificates.
Holy Mackeral, you are really something, Witty. Didn't I just remind you about making up quotes? So Richard, are you telling us that you have attitudes which are completely opposite to those you express in your writing? Why on earth would you want to do that?
" They changed from the hope and willingness to accept the other following Gaza (ok only 70% of the population), to disappointment and hopelessness" Damn it Richard, I've always suspected the Palestinians had more resilience, compassion and ability to hold to humanitarian ethics and civilised behavior than the Israelis. Did you have to confirm it for me? I am, at bottom a bit of a Jewish chauvinist, but you seem intent on destroying that. Man, if that is how easily the Israelis get discouraged it indicates to me, two things: they are shaming us Jews, how should know better than that, and maybe Judaism, although a wonderful religiopn, just doesn't have what it takes to be the basis for a Jewish State. And for that I thank God, He knew what he was doing when He decided on Diaspora for us. Fer gawd's sake, Richard, you wanted Jewish State, now you got it, and all you do is whine about stuff that every State has to put up with. Grow up or get out of the business.
but a (sic) believe that Judaism's refusal to proselytize makes *authoritarian* Jews predisposed towards Statism in order to co-opt the State on behalf of their agenda to compensate for Judaism's lack of numbers Whoa, that's a new one! Well, you got me there, Ed. I've always regretted that Judaism left behind the proselytizing it used to do so effectively. Somebody or something got thousands of people in Eastern Europe, Russia, and all over to convert to Judaism. Either that or Jewish scientists learned some fantastic gene-mimicking techniques long ago. "Co-opting the State…to compensate for Judaism's lack of numbers" Gosh, Ed, is that a classic anti-Semitic trope? Why, I believe it is. At any rate, I can't argue about one thing. Converting lots of people to Judaism would be a much better aproach. Us "Litvaks" are doing our part, every time we take over a town. A Jewish outlaw motorcycle gang that takes over a California town, converting and forcibly circumcising the residents! Quick, get my producer on the phone!
I mean, of course, unless anybody has any suitable ideas for raising the Jewish birth-rate. Nod-nod, nudge-nudge, wink-wink.
How the hell can you cross examine an anonymous witness?
They don't pound it, Ed. They put it in bottles in different-colored layers and sell it to Americans. Or maybe it was just food coloring and something that came back in the car from Jones Beach.
But Mooser, the key words in your little screed is that you never felt Indeed, in most of your rants and raves, it appears you do very little thinking and feeling, mostly just reacting.
No reason to be optimistic. These blokes have seen their last day of freedom. Supporting terrorism is a serious felony. Not only are they going to be in jail for life, but they are going to the toughest jails. Gangbangers, murderers, rapists etc. The US attorney is not going to give them freedom if Israel makes a deal with the Palestinians. Our system doesn't work that way.
Hypocrisy? Sending people who finance terror to prison is certainly not hypocrisy.
AIPAC spies? There were no Aipac spies. These terror supporters were tried by a jury of their peers and found guilty as charged.
It is amazing to me that people actually think that all money that is raised would go to "charity' purposes and anyone defending them or excusing them are naive. This group abuses their own children and you can see for yourself in videos…and not only that their charter mentions about obliterating the Jews and the also have a lovely pass time of killing their own people. Not one dime in money should be sent there. These people dress up their 5 year old kids in battle fatigues with guns and have the children call jews pigs and monkeys and they should all die.For people to suggest strapping bombs to themselves and teaching their children how wonderful it would be to be a martyr isn't terrorism really makes me wonder what is wrong with this world. They are nothing but child abusers, it would be like giving money to a charity that wants to stop child abuse and handing the money over to the child abuser,,and hope he uses it for that cause!. I can see someone not liking the long sentences but to suggest these people are innocent is insane. Now it's time for England to go after and arrest this fool george galloway too!
Actually, Jacobwolfen, it is the exact reverse of what you say; Mooser is a responsible American and Jew. You are a simple racist, no different than a NAZI except you have the victimhood reversed.
Groups appear on and off the USA terrorist list as those in power at any particular time wish. Right now, for example, the US government regime in power is thinking of putting N Korea back on the shit list. Let's hope that one day soon Israel will be on the same shit list. At the very least, that would mean less blowback, and more money for helping our own.
It was the same for me in law school, a few years before you. The ultimate truth is, the USA law has copied Israeli law.
Good. I am glad you favor going after all these USA organizations who support and fund Israeli settlements. I agree with you their officers should all be sent to prison for treason and crimes against humanity. They should also be disfavored under the USA IRS Code–can we get a bill in Congress?
Right, Witty. The Pals were completely to blame all along in the time table you say. It's all the fault of the brutal Hamas terrorists who just hate jews for being jews. Jews can tell their own people any narrative of history they want, ignoring whatever they want. Do you think so little of non-jews that you think they should buy it? Thanks for the kudos.
I think Ed's got a point. Maybe it's a bit too strong, but that depends on the confuence of supremacisms–what are those?
Now we need to right the wrongs done by the jewish terrorists who enabled and populated as leaders the Jewish State of Israel. Justice has yet to prevail.
What's wrong with your IQ? How do you cross examine an absent witness?
And did anyone even get to bring up that this anonymous witness was an Israeli agent? Did they get to impeach his credibility?
Er, Jacobwolfen, you are once again equating USA best interests with zionist regime's Israel's best interest. We here are trying to unglue that unholy partnership. That's because we are Americans and humanists first. Try to understand.
The USA needs to do just that, but the US congress are whores for Israel, thanks to the US campaign finance laws. We will, as loyal Americans, keep working to undermine the zionist moneybags. Thanks for the support.
No. Jewish moneybags allowed the AIPAC spies to go free, as usual.
Gee, you are describing the AIPAC crowd and its USA (aka Israel) policy. I agree these folks are not innocent, and now its time to nab them. Time for good USA folks to listen to Pat B.
I don't know about "can never be considered terrorist," Slim. Ubiquity of power can be challenged, if you get enough people het up about it. But dang it if you don't seem intent on fomenting revolution instead of voter participation! Must be those piney-wood roots.
First off, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Second off, stop bending history in your direction, just because you won this round doesn't mean you'll win the next, and frankly, I'm tired of this neo-Zionist, anti-Muslim bias that exists in the West. I'm atheist, but I've seen so much anti-Muslim hatred that I can't help but feel sorry for them because I know the truth is that most Arabs, be they Christian or Muslim, are far more "civilized" in their actions and lifestyles than many Westerners, who seem to think letting themselves go is cool. Arab families are stable. Their children stay in school until graduation, Generally, Arab-Americans flourish once they reach America's shores. Many of which are respectable practitioners of high-profile positions. I'm sure that when Dhimmi has a heart attack induced by ingesting too much pig products, he will be ever-so-grateful to his Muslim doctor for giving him a second chance to persecute him. I've seen rapists get less time than these guys. And so what if they were funding HAMAS? That's their business in a free country to do so. HAMAS hasn't directly attacked the US, so why should we care? I'm tired of a bunch of religious zealots running my country and deciding what is and is not right for me. Stop forcing your fairytales down my throat.
Then get prepared to see your pastors and politicians behind bars. Justice is coming, my friend.
Dhimmi….how much per ounce do you pay for your Ziocaine? Is it drugs or just plain stupidity that provoked that comment? There were AIPAC spies and you know it….typical ZioPuke speak….just deny the evidence, even if it's plain as day.
Funny how thousands of dollars to an Arab charity are scrutinized, but the millions of dollars from American churches to Israel go unnoticed and unchallenged. Anyone care for some Hypocrisy?
You're not a loyal american, you're merely a thwarted neo-nazi whose ideas are worth littlemore than shit. The USA is on guard against you and your ilk.
The only place I need to pound sand is up your ass. TYhe only problem is that there is already 10 lbs up your 5 lb ass.
Er, America sides with israel because iot is the only moral decision it can make.
…I had no idea the USA considers Isreal to be a terrorist state, where was that ever mentioned Zainab?. It's one thing for people to think they are…but until the country considers them that way its a dumb argument.