Ron Dermer, a senior adviser to Benjamin Netanyahu, (apparently born and raised in the U.S., his brother and father former mayors of Miami Beach), commenting at AIPAC on Netanyahu's constituency:
The victory in Israel, by the way--you may not know it-- if you look at the shift in Israeli politics, the parties of the Likud and to the right won 65 seats. It’s a bigger victory than Barack Obama had in the United States. And if you take the Arab parties out of the equation it’s actually a bigger victory than almost any president in US history has ever had. There’s a huge shift in Israeli public opinion. Israelis do not want to go down the same path. That’s the first reason to be optimistic.
The right-wing shift in Israeli politics has both permanent (long-term) and impermanent elements. The Obama administration is skillful at civil diplomacy. If you read Haaretz this morning, there are numerous reports of excellent efforts. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083477.html Blair: Quartet to unveil new Mideast peace plan By The Associated Press Tags: Quartet, Tony Blair The U.S.-led Quartet of Mideast mediators is working on a new strategy for Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and is expected to present it in five to six weeks, said Quartet envoy Tony Blair. "The plan is being devised by the Obama administration, with input from others," Blair told Palestinian reporters. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083477.html Jerusalem officials were surprised to learn on Wednesday of a U.S. call to Israel to join the the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the global pact meant to limit the spread of atomic weapons. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083477.html 'Arabs revising peace plan to win Israel backing for 2 states' By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent Tags: Israel News, Arab Arab states are revising elements of a 2002 peace plan to encourage Israel to agree to the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state, the London-based paper Al-Quds al-Arabi reported Wednesday.
In the late 19th century, the party that Irish Catholics voted into Parliament, Parnell's Nationalists, was not excluded from the political system. When they held the balance of power in Parliament, they were allowed to bring to power the Liberal Party of Gladstone, Campbell-Bannerman, and Asquith. Compare that with Israel, where nobody is willing to include the Arab parties in a coalition, even though they often hold what would be the balance of power, if they were allowed to participate. So the Israeli Arabs are allowed to vote, but their votes turn out to be worthless.
Can you say Jim Crow? CF: In the USA dead people vote and diversity identity politics overwhelms the ever-declining white Christian majority, shortly to slide further in this game via incorporating masses of illegal aliens as new voters. Now, let's see, which country is serious about survival of its founders and those who overwhelmingly made the great country?
Love how Ron Derme pays back the American people for all the opportunities and protections it has given him and his family. Perhaps one day the Americans will wake up to how they are spit upon.
If only there was some sort of solution to those pesky 'Rabs so the Israelis wouldn't have to be bothered with concerning themselves with what Arabs want. And not just a temporary solution either…no…one that would last longer. A permanent solution…a final…..
How would Americans vote if U.S. Jewish Zionist leaders/Israeli operatives were removed from the equation and say, deported to Israel, their primary loyalty? How would Americans have voted over the last 30 years if this had been done 30 years ago? How would America be different today? I can damn well guarantee you we wouldn't be in the sorry state we're in now. One would like to believe pent up rage would never get to the point in America where Jews were kicked out of the country wholesale, but that is what has happened on numerous occasions and in numerous countries throughout history to the Jews as a result of the subterfuge and chicanery of their Zionist-equivalent factions. It is simply intellectually dishonest to profess to believe that the Jewish Zionist Fifth Column that all here know and despise is unprecedented in history. Just because Israel didn't exist until '48 doesn't mean treacherous Jewish operatives weren't working against the best interests of their respective diaspora nations on behalf of their primary loyalty, ie the "Zionist nation," even before the current Zionist nation existed.
What will make the U.S. exceptional is if it can find a way to humanely deal with its Jewish Zionist problem by identifying the Israeli-loyalist Zionist-operative leaders and deporting them before they destroy America and get all Jews kicked out, as they have so many times before in history.
"Just because Israel didn't exist until '48 doesn't mean treacherous Jewish operatives weren't working against the best interests of their respective diaspora nations on behalf of their primary loyalty, ie the "Zionist nation," even before the current Zionist nation existed" Straight up anti-Semitism, Ed. I have reported you, and will keep doing so. BTW, care to substantiate any of your claims? How about "… Zionist-operative leaders and deporting them before they destroy America and get all Jews kicked out, as they have so many times before in history." Which countries have the Jews destroyed? Oh, I know, it was all those "Jewish Bolshviks" who ruined Russia, and persecuted Jews. Makes perfect sense to me.
I've heard this argument made before (basically that US white Christians are in the same position as Israelis–under siege and surrounded by dusky hoards), and I don't buy it. First off, Israelis have brought most of their sieges upon themselves through their loathsome behavior. Secondly, a properly functioning Christian society is race blind, and can function efficiently and morally, and bring prosperity to all — even non-Christians — so long it is ALLOWED to function. What we have been dealing with in America (and the entire West, really) for a long time now is Jewish Zionist subversives, Leftist subversives, and money-worshipping subversives plotting to overthrow Christian moral authority on behalf of their own respective moral systems — which are garbage. So of course America is dysfunctional. These subversives (and most of these leftist and left liberal-ideologues and Capitalist-ideologues are lily-white, BTW) have deliberately undermined its moral foundation on behalf of their own slimy agendas.
mooser seems to be this sites "good" jew who wants to set the bounds of allowable criticism.
"I have reported you, and will keep doing so." How quickly the indoctrinated Jew (Left or Right) appeals to the "authorities" against those simply speaking truth. I'm sure Weiss has already been reported to the "authorities" on multiple occasions himself. Gee, what happened to the iconoclastic Mooser who posed as an anti-authoritarian? I guess the only dissent or criticism of Zionism he is willing to tolerate is that within the left-wing framework — which is as easily co-opted by the Judeofascists as is the Right. In fact, most Judeofascists elected at the national level are in the Democratic Party. Why don't you report that?
That strikes me as a blatant piece of white supremacist rehearsed lying, ED.
And Ed seems to be the real resident Nazi propagandist.
More fucking bullshit by another Israeli who thinks Americans can't add or subtract. Or read. (Had Netanyahu won the majority he wouldn't have needed Livni or Lieberman….he picked Lieberman. But even with this phony math of giving Netanyahu/Lierman the majority….) Likud/Betanu party: 65 seats in the Knesset out of a possible 120 seats. Percentage: 54.17% Obama: 365 Electoral votes out of a possible 538. b>Percentage: 67.84%% Ron Dermer: another Israeli Poster Child for a liar.
Let me say it again: Netanyahu/Lieberman: Percentage: 54.17% Obama: Percentage: 67.84%
The Left always equates Christianity with white supremacy and Nazism (which is interesting, given how many non-white Christians there are around the world). Gee, I wonder where it learned that particular talking point? Did you have to go to college to learn that, Rowan, or does it come with the package of Leftist (hasbara-originated) talking points? Leftists will side with Zionists over Christians every time, because they both have in common arrested development, the authoritarian-impulse, and a love of the totalitarian State. Each dreams of using the State to silence all criticism and whack their many enemies, which rise up as a result of their congenital inability to govern justly, freely, and prosperously for all, and their anal-retentive compulsion to control thoughts and minds. No liberty-lover or free-thinker can trust either. Ever.
So, I guess one cannot talk about the history of any nation regarding what it did for, or to, its Jewish population, without being called an anti-semite? The only narrative of such diaspora history allowed is the official Jewish one? Mooser, do you think in all of history the only reason goys ever had to feel conflicted about Jewish influence in their land is solely due to anti-semitism, a version of insanity? Just curious.
Precisely why do you say that about Ed? You think nothing he says has any basis in historical fact? It's all just Nazi ideology? It accounts for nothing at all, or nothing significant? Who would you point us to as giving a more objective narrative of, say, 20th Century Russian/USSR history up to 1949?
the basis of nazi ideology is social darwinist; it holds that 'the white race' are the fittest race to rule, and that capitalism is an expression of their healthy drive for fittestness.
It's really interesting how even secular or atheist Jews cling to the official religious Jewish narrative vis-à-vis general goy intolerance, or Christian intolerance, or how non-Jewish intolerance is supposedly responsible for most of Jewry's many troubles throughout history. Even Mooser, who is open-minded enough to question and criticize the official organized Jewish Zionist narrative, still can't bring himself to look back before the official start of Zionism and see the ugly patterns of organized Jewish conduct now on naked display in Israel. Possibly similar to those who refuse to see nasty patterns of conduct in their own blood relatives even as they constantly point them out in non-relatives. Talk about un-scientific.
Sheer lunacy not to bomb Israel and shut down it's war making capability. It puts the whole planet in peril.
sorry .."its war making capability." One thing I agree with the author about…the israeli election results are indeed of critical import. They show the nation is now in the grips of almost unanimous Nazism, which ought to rid us of any reservations about destroying them.
Rowan, Ed's post might be a piece of Christian supremacy, but it says nothing about racial supremacy or separation in any way. Do you believe that race isn't a political issue for non-whites or non-Christians? Do you see a good reason for changing racial or cultural demographics on a whim, and without allowing those affected a voice in the process? Do you think Balkanization can work, or do you just believe that race, culture, ethnicity and religion will cease to exist as concepts that people use to identify themselves?
Mooser, I don't blame you for finding Ed's harsh rhetoric disturbing, but I am familiar with the basis for his arguments and he can back what he says. Ed obviously does not despise you, Phil, or anyone else here for being Jewish. His criticism is clearly aimed at behaviour, and it needs to be taken seriously. You cannot effectively understand the conflicts surrounding Zionism if you restrict yourself to a post-1960's liberal/academic echo chamber.
For that you need the Fourth Estate to point it out, like they do constantly with their mistranslations of the Iranian President. That's asking too much, it's asking for them to do their job and why they are licensed under our free speech Amendment. They rather the USA masses stay ignorant. They have Israel and/or their careers to think of. Little Eichmanns, all of them.
Rowan, you are too smart to throw around vacuous slurs "white supremacist" and "Nazi" like an oversocialized Ivy League college freshman. Ed is a harsh critic of centralized state power, and an advocate of a Christian civic ethos. I do not see how you can link his worldview to support for a totalitarian dictatorship that aimed to radically reshape society through eugenics, military conquest, and media control. The Left always seems to seek power on the scale of the Nazi and Bolshevik states, but only to use it for the "right" purposes. Ed (and I), don't want the government to have this kind of power, period.
The Left has no intention of allowing the US to become post-racial. The whole point of multiculturalism and "dialogue about race" is to discourage assimilation, and nurse a sense of grievance, entitlement, and dependence. Elites can then win blocks of voters by promising preferential treatment against other ethnic groups (i.e. affirmative action, laws against "hate") or a larger share of government spending. It's also easy to win a block simply by fronting a candidate of the appropriate color.
"Ed is a harsh critic of centralized state power, and an advocate of a Christian civic ethos" And reverence for the Cross, sorry, The Cross. For God's fucking sake, don't leave out the reverence for the cross! And you can take that Christian civic ethos and shove it right up your keister. Wanna give me an example of that "Christian civic ethos" Does it include Jews? We are resiliently anti-Jesus, you know, don't think he's got no saving power. As far as I know the "Christian civic ethos" is Christian Zionism. You got any proof it's anything else. Christian Civic ethos, my foot. Give me an Accord, with a Darwin sticker, any day. Now, once again, tell me how the "Christian civic ethos", includes Jews.
I think it's pretty clear from this you just don't like Jews.
I confess to disliking Jewish propensity to conflate their religo-race and politics, and consider organized Jewry and even secular self-identifying Jewry to be hypocritical in their demands that Christianity and free speech be perpetually antagonized and harassed by the State even as most of them employ the same State to advance their own religo-racial supremacist beliefs in Israel. I would have no problem with a libertarian Jew. But when Jews conflate religion, race and politics in pursuit of an authoritarian agenda, be it Zionism, anti-Christianism, or leftism, they shouldn't be able to then hide behind their Jewish identity by describing their critics as motivated by anti-Jewish racism. Criticism of Jewry is political free speech, nothing more, so long as they use their Jewish identity as a political trojan horse. What all of this demonstrates is that anything other than libertarianism is violation of the concept of religious freedom and religious/state separation, because even professed atheist Jews and leftists are attempting to impose a cosmic moral system, only via the State.
Real Americans would have voted the same way. Racist and stupid Americans would vote differently. Stupid Americans believe the canards promoted by racists.
Real Americans can make America better by deporting racists who promote antisemitic canards.
Electoral vote does not mirror popular vote. Anyone claiming such is stupid or a liar. Your pick.
Let me rephrase that in my own words. Jews who oppose zionism have a totalitarian agenda to impose a cosmic moral system where no one can speak ill of Jews. Meanwhile, Jewry is powerful enough to get billions paid out to Israel, but they can't even get the KKK banned. They can't get Stormfront shut down. The American Nazi Party just had a rally in my hometown, even though it has many temples, a JCC, and an ADL chapter. They can't get the BNP banned in Britain or the National Front banned in France. Could it be this organized Jewry isn't such a factor in official support for Israel? And who the sod is pursuing 'anti-Christianism'? The ADL that welcomed John Hagee's limp apology after his obscene, inhumane remarks about the Holocaust?
"Could it be this organized Jewry isn't such a factor in official support for Israel?" Jewish Zionist Congressman Eliot Engel just said: "There is no more effective lobbying force on Capitol Hill than AIPAC. Bar none…It's noted in Washington, it's noted in the Congress, it's noted in the White House." http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/rep... AIPAC is merely one component of organized Jewry’s epic support for Zionist Israel. "who the sod is pursuing 'anti-Christianism'?" Leftists and anti-Christian Jews (which we both know are legion) consistent with their partnership in the Soviet Union, which murdered millions of Christians. BTW, John Hagee isn't a Christian, he's a Christian Zionist. No authentic Christian would ever collaborate with the Judeofascists, IMO.
I would guess that mooser has a problem with american fascists. And you don't.
Christian scripture certainly contains scads of such bigoted material.
Let me say it again: Electoral vote does not mirror popular vote. Anyone claiming such is stupid or a liar. Your pick.
You have to read some real history on religion in the USSR. Synagogues were closed as well as Russian Orthodox churches and even when some religious activity was permitted after the war, Judaism wasn't preferentially treated over Christianity or Islam. Some orthodox seminaries were permitted but not Jewish ones. Or maybe this' that Trojan horse you were talking about? AIPAC brags about its influence on the US govt., duh. They also say Israel is a democracy and only wants to stop the rockets. Angry Arab sums it up perfectly, the lobby thesis gets the US govt. off the hook. And Stephen Zunes did a thorough debunking of that thesis: "Israeli officials came on board only after the decision had been made, apparently with the promise that Iran would become the next target. In other words, the Israeli government and the Israel Lobby were willing to use their clout to help their friends in the White House garner support from the public and Congress for a decision which the Bush administration had already made on its own." http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/03/note-of-dis... http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/03/note-of-dis...
Mooser, I can't speak for Ed, but when I say "Christian civic ethos" I am talking about the values of the mostly Protestant Christian West, which was the environment that shaped the Enlightenment, the Haskalah, and the United States. These values included freedom of conscience, literacy, self-discipline, and civic responsibility. The Jewish reform movement openly borrowed from western Protestant culture and ethics, and Rab. Hirsch and the founders of Modern Orthodoxy attempted to interpret haskalah in a manner that would enable Jews to remain Jewish while engaging as equals in Christian society.
Thank you , Ward, for you ignorance. Imadinnerjacket has called for the destruction of Israel many times.
Electoral vote does not mirror popular vote. Anyone claiming such is stupid or a liar. Your pick.
Thank you, imadinnerjacket.
Total BS. He's only said that the current zionist regime will one day vanish from the page of history like the USSR. On the other hand, zionists in USA & Israel constantly call for the destruction of Iran. Israel wants to keep its hegemony power in the Middle East–to the last drop of American goy blood & treasure.
Germany boasted many of the most spectacular creative figures in world history but was demolished for having a 12-year love affair with racism and murder. Israel has produced only degenerates, criminals, monsters and freaks, has caused irreparable shame to world Jewry, is a nuclear-equipped menace to all humankind and has had a 60 year love affair with racism and murder. It's overdue for destruction and no one of decency will mourn its demise.
I think you are right. Unfortunately, I think the result will be violence whether there is a revolt, or not.