By Max Blumenthal
The Israeli government has repeatedly announced plans to forge ahead with plans to expand settlements in the occupied West Bank in direct opposition to President Barack Obama’s demand for an absolute settlement freeze. On May 27, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leveled strong criticism at Israeli policy, telling reporters that President Barack Obama “wants to see a stop to settlements - not some settlements, not outposts, not 'natural growth' exceptions.” Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev responded by declaring that “normal life” in the settlements would continue, using a phrase that is code for continued construction.
With neither side exhibiting willingness to back down, the stage is set for a contentious clash between Israel and the U.S. over settlement policy. At the center of the maelstrom is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the hawkish Likud Party, who has highlighted his unique understanding of the United States – he is MIT educated and speaks flawless English. Supporters of the settlement movement are an integral part of his governing coalition. How Netanyahu navigates between his far-right constituency and increasingly insistent demands from Obama will not only determine the fate of his government, but also the fate of Israel’s “special relationship” with Washington.
A gathering of the settlement movement’s leading figures in Jerusalem on May 22, documented in this exclusive Mondoweiss report, revealed the unprecedented influence of the settlers on Israeli policy. The event, a ceremony for the presentation of the Moskowitz Foundation Prize for Zionism, was organized and bankrolled by one of Netanyahu’s closest confidants and backers, the American casino tycoon Irving Moskowitz. For over a decade, Moskowitz has funneled millions in profits from his California-based Hawaiian Gardens casino, where he has been sued for exploiting undocumented workers, into settlement construction projects in the West Bank, including Palestinian neighborhoods in East Jerusalem. He has also funded several neoconservative think tanks including a research center named after Netanyahu’s brother, Yonatan, who was killed while leading the Entebbe rescue raid in 1976. Moskowitz and Netanyahu have remained close since he established the center.
In 1996, Moskowitz convinced Netanyahu, in his first round as prime minister, to open a tunnel adjacent to the Temple Mount, a controversial act that led to several days of rioting and 70 deaths. Four years later, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s provocative visit to the tunnel set off the so-called Al-Aqsa uprising, the opening salvo of the Second Intifada. Now, Moskowitz’s imprint on the West Bank’s landscape is most clearly reflected in the expansion of the settlement called Kiryat Arba, a hotbed of Orthodox Jewish radicalism located high above the occupied city of Hebron.
Kiryat Arba founder Noam Arnon is the recipient of the 2009 Moskowitz Prize, an honor that included $50,000 in cash. After receiving his prize before a cheering crowd of two thousand settlers, Arnon complained to me, “We think that somehow the Arabs have taken over the international media and the international mood, and they convinced the world to believe that there is a Palestinian people and these people deserve to have a Palestinian state -- which is totally untrue.”
Despite the fanaticism of Arnon and his followers, who routinely rampage through Hebron, vandalizing Palestinian homes and attacking local residents (often under the watch of the Israeli army), they are not isolated as a rogue element in Netanyahu's political world. Indeed, several of notables stood on stage to present Arnon with his prize. They included Professor Moshe Aumann, who won the Nobel Prize in 2005 for his work on understanding conflict through game theory, and Uzi Landau, the Israeli Minister of National Infrastructure. (Landau’s party, Yisrael Beiteynu, has introduced bills that would compel Arab citizens of Israel to take loyalty oaths and which would criminalize open discussion of what the Palestinians call "Nakbah," or "catastrophe" of Israel's founding). Also in attendance was Benny Begin, a leading Likud member of Knesset and the son of the late Prime Minister Menachem Begin, the first Likud prime minister.
After the ceremony, Landau mingled easily with settlement leaders, who beseeched him for support. Though Landau’s bodyguard attempted to prevent journalists from approaching him, my journalistic colleague Jesse Rosenfeld managed to ask him about Obama’s call for freeze on settlement construction. Visibly irritated by the mention of Obama’s demand, Landau issued an unequivocal statement. “Those who say, or are trying to suggest that Arabs can build anywhere and everywhere, and Jews can’t –it’s something that should be totally rejected.”
Since arriving in Israel, I have observed the battle over settlement expansion from an on-the-ground perspective. On May 16, I traveled with the Israeli peace group Ta’ayush to Hilltop 26, an illegal hilltop outpost constructed by settlers from Kiryat Arba – not an aspect of “natural growth.” Four angry settler youths confronted us upon our arrival; within minutes, a squadron of Israeli border police officers, soldiers and a Kiryat Arba security team were on the scene. The army swiftly issued a “closed military zone order,” ordering us to leave within five minutes or be arrested. While the soldiers initially allowed the settler youth to stay, the presence of international media apparently prompted them to briefly remove the teenagers while allowing their outpost to remain – an act that underscored the army’s collaboration with settlers to stifle the activities of peace groups. (See the confrontation in my exclusive Daily Beast video report here.)
On May 25, Ta’ayush member Joseph Dana detailed to me the continued development of Hilltop 26. Since I visited the outpost, Kiryat Arba settlers had wired it with electricity and established a security perimeter. Two days before, Dana and two other Ta’ayush activists were arrested by Israeli army officers for returning to the area to document conditions and not leaving rapidly enough. After interrogating the activists in Kiryat Arba police stations – “Why are you always creating chaos here?” Dana said the army commander angrily asked him – the commander ignored two calls from left-wing members of Knesset for the activists’ immediate release. In the end, Dana and his colleagues were released under the condition that they not return to the West Bank for two months.
Two days after I listened to Dana’s story, he called me with unexpected news: the army had dismantled Hilltop 26. Netanyahu had issued a list of 26 illegal outposts he planned to demolish -- an unsuccessful tactic to mollify the Obama administration -- but Hilltop 26 was not among them. Dana attributed the sudden demolition to intense coverage of the controversy, particularly my video for the Daily Beast and an editorial he authored for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz. “It seems like the government was so embarrassed by all the media coverage, and even though they tried to prevent us from even going to Hilltop 26 to document what was happening there, they decided they had to take action,” Dana told me.
The demolition, however, has sparked a furious backlash from the fanatics of Kiryat Arba. According to Dana, the settlers have initiated a new round of violence inside Hebron – already, an elderly Palestinian man has been beaten. And while the settlers hatched plans to rebuild the outpost, the following call for retribution appeared on a Kiryat Arba web forum: “The destruction of outposts and their surrender is the first step in the bigger scheme… we will not be silent any longer! We will not silently abided by false declarations, promises and temptations… Bribes blind the eyes of the righteous. We will stop the cleansing at the source.” The battle over Hilltop 26 appears to be just beginning. So does the struggle between Obama and Netanyahu.
Unlike your parents, who are as biased bigots as you.
He was a freedom fighter.
I think many people have blinkers on when it comes to statements by people such as Jacobwolfen – they almost literally don't see them. I've recently been doing some research on Schoenberg, and its quite remarkable how people can talk about his embrace of 'the muscular Revisionist Zionism of Jabotinsky', for example, without seeing anything troublesome in that – he's still some great humanist prophet, even as his fascism (in my opinion) becomes ever more overt. It's as if they literally are unable to see any problematic statement. To exaggerate: If you have a sentence like this: 'We must kill all the Arabs in Palestine and establish a Jewish homeland there', people seem to read it as: 'We must establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine'. If you're high on Ziocaine, I guess that's how your brain works;)
But most Americans are not spending for Israel, and other than the rare American Jew in Israel, none are dying for Israel. What is pretty simple is that you are pretty simple.
The relevant data shows your ignorance. Any other stupid statement you have? I'm pretty sure most American's believe you are an idiot.
Why? Is Egypt intending on ethnically cleansing them from Egypt?
I just count on intelligent Americans. Leaves you out chewing your cud.
You mean it's defficult to find anyone intelligent to post other than Witty and Wolfen. Morons like you are a dime a dozen here.
Ed is a moron. By association, you are a retard. Berkeley is just there to be pissed on.
You're mistaken about a lot of things. Sixty seven Jews were killed in Hebron in 1929 but over 400 survived, many of them protected by their Arab neighbors. From the Wikipedia entry on Hebron: (Wiki is not always a reliable source on things, but in this instance it corresponds to most of the accounts I have read on Hebron, and its an easy, concise reference to cite in this case.) "The majority of the Jewish population lived on the outskirts of Hebron along the roads to Be'ersheba and Jerusalem, renting homes owned by Arabs, a number of which were built for the express purpose of housing Jewish tenants, with a few dozen within the city around the synagogues.[94] In the 1929 Hebron massacre, Arab rioters killed 67 Jews and wounded 60, and Jewish homes and synagogues were ransacked; 435 Jews survived by virtue of the shelter and assistance offered them by their Arab neighbours, who hid them.[95][96] Two years later, 35 families moved back into the ruins of the Jewish quarter, but on the eve of the Palestinian Arab national revolt (April, 1936,) the British Government decided to move the Jewish community out of Hebron as a precautionary measure to secure its safety. The sole exception was Ya'akov ben Shalom Ezra, who processed dairy products in the city, and resided in the city on weekdays. In November 1947, in anticipation of the UN partition vote, the Ezra family closed its shop and left the city.[97]" The 1929 Hebron Massacre was a spillover from riots that occurred during this time in Jerusalem, which began in response to the Zionists making a political march on the Wailing Wall and raising the Zionist flag at the Mosque of Omar. Both Arabs and Jews died in the rioting that followed, with around 40 Arabs(Moslem and Christian) dying, and around 30 Jews dying. The first acts of violence in Hebron were carried out against Ashkenazi Jews, (including 7 Americans) at a yeshiva there, and it enflamed into a much larger massacre when local Mizrahi Jews sought to support the yeshiva victims, but most of the killers were from outside Hebron, and considered themselves seeking revenge for what they believed was the massacre of Arabs in Jerusalem, and the assault on the Mosque of Omar. In 1994, the Palestinian mayor of Hebron invited the actual descendants of the original Jewish property owners in Hebron to return to their homes. The descendants politely refused, citing the fact that such a return might obligate Israel to return the homes of Palestinians who were expelled from Israel. The inhabitants of Kiryat Arba, and the squatters in Hebron are not directly related to any of the original inhabitants of Hebron, and so have no legitimate rights to the houses they have confiscated.
And Palin's main minder was stealth neocon Randy Schuenemann, let's not forget, he being Saakashvilli of Georgia's main lobbyist tie to the US, which came out when Saakashvilli tried to start a war with Russia. I, for one, believe that Palin was to be a new and better Dan Quayle, who would be useful in the future whether they won or lost.
Your guesses, like your knowledge, is sorely lacking.
Rowan, you gentile Lefties have always been blinkered by Political Judaism, going all the way back to the Soviet Union. Hmm? Rowan, aren't you startled? How fdoes he know? He must be in on the adapt? He is a seer, past – present – future all open to his mind. Boee!!! Do you remember??? You really forgot how we met Sergej on the Red Square in 1916. Sergej and Nadja Rosenstein? How we stormed the Winter Palace with them? Oh my Marx and Lenin, I almost forgot, as if that had been in another life. Weren't they amazing siblings? I am not sure about you, but he is right: it goes all the way back to the Soviet Union, already there we were almost transfixed by these enormously talented and good looking Jews and Jewesses? Don't tell me you don't remember?
oh, I am so puzzled, so confused. He must be in on the plot of the universe, he surely is an adept. THE MASTER!!! HIS HOLYNESS!! THE SEER!! Rowan, how couldn't we notice?
He was a genocidist who desired Hitler's assiatance in setting up death camps.
RE: "Most people when they try to insult you at least have the sense to choose something that you will understand…" MY COMMENT: Make that "Most LUCID people…."!
In US, giving Mideast charity could lead you to prison Despite no links to violence, founders of Muslim charity sentenced to lengthy terms for donations to needy Palestinians in Occupied Territories. By Amy Goodman – NEW YORK Five founders of the Holy Land Foundation, once the nation’s largest Muslim charity, have received prison terms of up to sixty-five years on charges of supporting the Palestinian group Hamas. The five were never accused of supporting violence and were convicted for funding charities that aided needy Palestinians. The government’s case relied on Israeli intelligence as well as disputed documents and electronic surveillance gathered by the FBI over a span of fifteen years. We speak to Noor Elashi, daughter of Ghassan Elashi, the chair of the Holy Land Foundation who was sentenced to sixty-five years; and Nancy Hollander, a defense attorney who represented former Holy Land CEO Shukri Abu Baker. [includes rush transcript]: http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=324...
In US, giving Mideast charity could lead you to prison Despite no links to violence, founders of Muslim charity sentenced to lengthy terms for donations to needy Palestinians in Occupied Territories. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=324...
Why suddenly does my comment have to be approved by the site admins?
RE: "you can edit for quite some time, if you subscribe to intensedebate" MY COMMENT: Are you sure about this? The edit feature disappeared for me several days ago. I assumed that Phil or Adam had changed the settings.
It was the site for the first Weiss/Berkeley tryst.
RE: "What about the 500 something destroyed Palestinian villages?" FROM WIKIPEDIA: Deir Yassin massacre (excerpt) The Deir Yassin massacre refers to the killing of between 107 and 120 unarmed Palestinian civilian villagers,[1] the estimate generally accepted by modern scholars, as opposed to the initial estimate of 254,[2][3] during and possibly after the battle[4][5] at the village of Deir Yassin (also written as Dayr Yasin or Dir Yassin; modern Kefar Shaʾul[6]) near Jerusalem in the British Mandate of Palestine by 132 Jewish Zionist guerrilla fighters (72 Irgun and 60 Lehi men with a few women for support) between 9 April and 11 April 1948. It occurred while Jewish Yishuv forces fought to break the siege of Jerusalem during the period of civil war that preceded the end of the Mandate. Contemporary reports, originating apparently from a commanding officer in Jerusalem of one of the irregular forces involved (the Irgun), Mordechai Ra'anan[7], gave an initial estimate of 254 killed.[8] The size of the figure had a considerable impact on the conflict in creating panic and became a major cause of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.[8][9] SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
And stupid. But we all noticed your stupid side.
RE: "Strapped to a chair and forced to read a year's worth of Weekly Standards out loud while having the audio version of the complete works of Norman Podhoretz piped into her ears…" MY COMMENT: If that is not torture, I don't know what is!
RE: "Strapped to a chair and forced to read a year's worth of Weekly Standards out loud while having the audio version of the complete works of Norman Podhoretz piped into her ears…" SEE: " BIBI AND YVET’S ARAB-HATRED: BRING IT ON!" by Richard Silverstein, 05/31/09 (excerpt) …So I say let them vote to ban Nakba. Let them vote to compel a loyalty oath. Let them ban Palestinian students from studying in Israel. Let them rant about Iran being Amalek and toppling the mad mullahs. Let them do their worst. I say: “Knock yourself out.” Give it your wingnut all…. ENTIRE POST – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/
RE: " If you're high on Ziocaine, I guess that's how your brain works" SEE: "The Authoritarians" (261 pages), by Bob Altemeyer, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba (excerpt) …Chapter 3 How Authoritarian Followers Think… (page 80) …2. Highly Compartmentalized Minds… As I said earlier, authoritarians’ ideas are poorly integrated with one another. It’s as if each idea is stored in a file that can be called up and used when the authoritarian wishes, even though another of his ideas–stored in a different file– basically contradicts it. We all have some inconsistencies in our thinking, but authoritarians can stupify you with the inconsistency of their ideas. Thus they may say they are proud to live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, but another file holds, “My country, love it or leave it.” The ideas were copied from trusted sources, often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they all fit together… FREE PDF DOWNLOAD – http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAut... ALTERNATE SITE – http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAut...
RE: "I accept nationalism with a distinctly small 'n' as a natural sort of thing, but I don't glorify it." "Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority." – Arthur Schopenhauer (Aphorisms) "National character is only another name for the particular form which the littleness, perversity and baseness of mankind take in every country. Every nation mocks at other nations, and all are right." – Arthur Schopenhauer OTHER QUOTATIONS – http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/arthu...
RE: "Ask the WWII Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" FROM: "The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict", published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East (EXCERPT) Shamir proposes an alliance with the Nazis “As late as 1941, the Zionist group LEHI, one of whose leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, was later to become a prime minister of Israel, approached the Nazis, using the name of its parent organization, the Irgun (NMO)…[Their proposal stated:] ‘The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German nation of power in the Near East… The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany’s side’….The Nazis rejected this proposal for an alliance because, it is reported, they considered LEHI’s militarypower ‘negligable.’ ” SOURCE – http://www.cactus48.com/OriginMSW.pdf
Actually, my post above was regarding "Oh please reject the US and Obama Isrealis,please,please.!….heheheheh"
DICKERSON3870 – You can report the problem to Intense Debate, which report turns into a report to Get Satisfaction, for which you must establish an account – very confusing process in my estimation, but perhaps not to a "Digital Native". Problems I had were resolved, although they recurred; I can post a comment or two and then I lose access. I'm going to continue reporting them. I encourage everyone to report problems and also to challenge the various people involved to set up a page here at Phil's site for questions and comments about the many issues raised.
He means they''ll put up a plaque urging visitors to piss on your grave.
The ideas were copied from trusted sources, often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they all fit together… That reminds me of Arendt's description of how Eichmann spoke (and thought) in clichés…
I think you logged out several days ago: if you look at 'your' IntenseDebate page (http://intensedebate.com/people/DICKERSON3870 ), it says you haven't posted anything in four days, and your name doesn't link to that page – which it would were you logged in. Try logging into IntenseDebate again: the editing function should then return.
It's occupied because the Israeli military is there, not because there are Jews living there. And it's not true that there are no places of worship closed to Muslims or Christians today. Many Christian and Muslim places of worship, along with cemeteries, have been destroyed by the government of Israel.
Did anyone ever think that the Jews would have been far better off in another part of the world where they did not ethnically cleanse the native population. I know that Jewish Israelis and supporters of Israel love to say that since America ethnically cleansed much of its native population we have no right to criticize Israel. But that horror took place many decades ago while the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians was right after World War 2 and this time the ethnic cleansers were those who themselves had been ethnically cleansed by Hitler. In fact, the Palestinians became Hitler's last victims. How the Jews thought they could live happily ever after in a part of the world where the sympathies lie with the victims is beyond me. As a Jew I once thought that Israel was wonderful. But that was before I grew up and opened my eyes. Let us also remember that before the establishment of the state of the racist state of Israel, the U.S. had no enemies in the Arab world. Now, with its unyielding support of Israeli terror and dispossession, the U.S. has no friends in the Arab world. We have earned their approbation and hatred as has Israel.
Dickerson, I know in addition to Jewish nationalism in Israel, you will criticize Political Judaism’s virtual nationalism in America, La Raza’s virtual nationalism in the American Southwest, all forms of black nationalism in America and all ethnic nationalist groups the world over in whatever minority diaspora existence, including the many ethnic Chinese “nations” scattered around Asia. But wait a minute, those virtual “nations” are the blocks that the left-liberals encourage to maintain their separate ethnic identity, and seek to bring into their ruling coalitions as blocks, and pit against other races for purposes of political exploitation. If nationalists are small minded (and they probably are) what are those who cynically pose as universalists while simultaneously and opportunistically encouraging ethnic nationalism for purposes of political exploitation? Are they just hypocrites, or something more evil?
It's occupied because the Israeli military is there, not because there are Jews living there. And it's not true that there are no places of worship closed to Muslims or Christians today. Many Christian and Muslim places of worship, along with cemeteries, have been destroyed by the government of Israel.
"it goes all the way back to the Soviet Union, already there we were almost transfixed by these enormously talented and good looking Jews and Jewesses?" Not bad imagery of Judeophile left-liberalism, still enamored of Trotsky, still pining over Warren Beauty in the nostalgic 'Reds,' still denying Jewish Bolshevik mass murder (or rather ignoring it completely), still clinging to Leftist delusions. It must be nice, never having to grow up, living in an ongoing fantasy world. Unfortunately, some people can't afford to maintain illusions crafted by Jewish PR wizards and master propagandists — Palestinians the least. Jewish Zionist and Jewish Bolshevik “disneylands” were built upon swamps of blood.
That's great Gert. I particularly like the ones about Sefad being an Arab town (it was a mixed Arab-Jewish town, with a Jewish population that went back generations), about the Talbiyeh neighborhood being a Christian-Muslim neighborhood (in fact it was a mixed Christian-Muslim-Jewish neighborhood and, in 1947, the mukhtar with whom the fleeing – not expelled – Arabs left their keys was an Ashkenazi Jew), and especially the picture of the al-Aqsa mosque where, in the caption it says that the Jews have plans to demolish the mosque and re-build the temple – LOL! Also, the idea that, being the consumate victims, the Palestinians were always "expelled", rather than that they simply fled. Keep up the good work Gert!
The Grand Mufti wasn't the spiritual father of the Palestinian people. Most Palestinians considered him a thug. He was installed against the wishes of the majority of Palestinians by the Zionist Jew, Herbert Samuel.
Who are you kidding. You are no Muslim. If you live one day in an Arab country you would become Jewish!
There aren't settlers in the West Bank wolfen? Why don't you address the issue he brought up before you dismiss him as a liar.
I acknowledge your rapture and satisfaction, as I surely grant you that. But since we are so close to the cores of the problem now, we should stop to extract the essence of what was said before moving on: So whoever at one point in his life is partly attracted to left ideas, will immediately be transformed, genetically, I suppose?, into some kind of group member who will now have to carry some kind of collective guilt on his shoulders? Except for Christians who are not guilty for anything other Christians ever did, thanks to all kinds of sacramental magic? ******************************************************************** Now that we established this basic law, we would need the exact features that need to be present to call someone a lefty? The precise features, that then gives everybody on this list the freedom to collectively condemn him or her. You know, we should establish clear prosecution rules. Could you now please define this brand of collectively responsible leftist? How do we out them?
But wait a minute, those virtual “nations” are the blocks that the left-liberals encourage to maintain their separate ethnic identity, and seek to bring into their ruling coalitions as blocks, and pit against other races for purposes of political exploitation. Could you elaborate, beyond the pure allegation? What's your evidence? How exactly and were did the "left" e.g. in America pit ethnic groups against other ethnic groups? And how and who is exploited in this scenario?
Now I couldn't edit it. I got a message telling me it was in moderation or something, then a message, I "You can't edit a comment, if it has replies". But there aren't any. logged in = NOT locked in.
Since now I can't edit mayself. But pray tell me, how do you manage to use an icon while obviously not locked in. Otherwise your name would be linked? you are simply adding the link to the icon?
Hey, if you liked that, you'll love this: http://www.amazon.com/Changing-Land-Between-Photographs-Present/dp/0814329152/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244024009&sr=1-2
The tyrant government is afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood, afraid the Streets are sympathetic to Palestinians, and gets paid 2/3rd annually by the USA of what it gives Israel for free–just to play nice with Israel. That's why.
sorry, I didn't want to hurt you, but somehow it came out cynical. Yes I find your self-presentation via an allegedly dangerous father peculiar. And admittedly it feels as if someone who really went through such a story wouldn't want to define herself via a father, she obviously must hate. But maybe you are a masochist? Your father forced your mother to flee how and why? That's what I was asking indirectly. Did he threaten to kill her, if she left him? It's said to happen in other societies too… I couldn't answer this before, it did show shortly but when I tried to answer it, it disappeared again.
What do you mean Saleema. I am interested?
Aha, interesting. That would be a name our dear Suzanne might want to use. ZUBAIDA Gender: Feminine Usage: Arabic Other Scripts: زبيدة (Arabic) Means "elite, prime, cream" in Arabic.
Like I said there are definite cultural diff between muslims and jews and in personal relationships it manifests itself most clearly. Neither I nor my mother were beaten but since my mother had some academic education and he did not it made for an unbalanced relationship and she realized that if she didn't leave when she did things were not going to evolve in a bearable manner because of the intellectual par between them..
I responded before but it doesn't show. Do you mean even if you log into the intensedebate account you can't edit? The typepad comment software never had an edit feature, but true the preview feature is gone now. Actually: I don't think Phil or Adam change settings much.Maybe it has to do with intensedebate software updates? Little things seem to change though sometimes, that's true. Could there be a problem to integrate neatly into typepad software, do they belong to each other and know each others source code? I don't think.
Start with the legal framework: the mid-60's immigration act & court construction of the 14th Amendment and multiple civil rights acts; the development of affirmative action, and quota teasings, discriminatory impact theories, etc; the early 70's Bakke case, the Boston firefighter case now coming up for S Ct reveiw, the issue being "reverse discrimination"; the statement by the current S Ct candidate that (non-white male) ethnic empathy is the proper guide to rule of law. Useful education tools have been goal words, e.g., "diversity" and "multicultural" etc.
You can not call your self a Democracy and at the same time have a goal that is ethnically pure. CALL YOUR REPS AND ASK THEM TO CUT OFF AID TO ISRAEL.
oh yeah play the ace "anti-semite"…not working anymore.
Starbucks the target of Arab boycott for its growing links to Israel By Robert Fisk in Beirut Friday, 14 June 2002 * Share The Independent Close o DiggDigg o del.icio.usdel.icio.us o FacebookFacebook o RedditReddit o GoogleGoogle o Stumble UponStumble Upon o FarkFark o NewsvineNewsvine o YahooBuzzYahooBuzz o BeboBebo o MixxMixx o Independent MindsIndependent Minds * Print * Email * Text Size o Normal o Large o Extra Large Across five Arab states a new and closely co-ordinated campaign to boycott American goods is being launched, with Starbucks coffee shops their primary target, but with Nestlé, Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson and Burger King outlets also on the list. In Beirut today, activists will be leafleting outside the city's four Starbucks shops, detailing the pro-Israeli sentiments of its chief executive, Howard Shultz, and claiming he is "an active Zionist". Across five Arab states a new and closely co-ordinated campaign to boycott American goods is being launched, with Starbucks coffee shops their primary target, but with Nestlé, Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson and Burger King outlets also on the list. In Beirut today, activists will be leafleting outside the city's four Starbucks shops, detailing the pro-Israeli sentiments of its chief executive, Howard Shultz, and claiming he is "an active Zionist". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-ea...
Max thank you for all you are doing to draw media attention to this incredibly unjust and immoral situation. And thank you to all who have come before you drawing much needed attention to this critical situation over the last 60 years.
interesting. How did you come up with that one?
LOL! Starbucks opened and then promptly closed several shops here in Israel years ago, because Israelis just don't like to walk in and get cofffe on the go. This gave rise to a plethora of high-quality espresso bars, most of which are much, much better than Starbucks. So, there aren't any links to Israel, and these certainly aren't growing. You've been had Kathleen, and so has Rober Fisk. ROFLMAO! http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/pressdesc.asp?id...
The majority of Germans, Americans, French do not leave their respective countries either so in what respect is it relevant? Crappy Boy?
Ziocaine, runnin' all round my brain. They say ziocaine's for horses, Not for men. They tell me it'll kill me, but they won't say when. Ziocaine, runnin' all round, my brain.
I would go further, and contend that if you hooked up an American Zionist supporter reading this blog to the type of brain-scanning and metabolic monitoring we have available today, you will see actual physiological changes, the depression of the vagus nerve, increased respiration, changes in heartbeat/rhythm, adrenalin release, histamine release and endorphins running wild. And from this they get pleasurable, or at least addictive sensations. That's why they do the Jeckyll/Hyde thing at the drop of a kippah.
Sure, wouldn't that be the shirtless, buff, IDF soldier, or Joshua Bondstein, Mossad Secret Agent .0035 (Code name: "Half-Price")
Rowan, you gentile Lefties have always been blinkered by Political Judaism, going all the way back to the Soviet Union. Haven’t you figured out how Judeo-fascism works yet? It infiltrates the body under the guise of a more “scientific” approach to government, the attainment of social justice, and “progressivism,” but then it immediately begins going to work on behalf of its own Jewish supremacist agenda. Yeah, just like Hitler said in "Mein Kampf" The "Eternal Jew", baby. Or maybe it's the "rootless cosmopolitan" Jews, or it might be the "secular humanist" Jews. Gee, Ed, to what do you attribute this horrible propensity for sabotage and destruction? Is it genetic, or is there some experience or teaching common to all Jews which causes this? Do I have any hope of escape? What can I do to avoid being some kind of political and social Typhoid Miriam?
I can see your point. But yes, when people start to make rules to try to make the world a better place, they usually open up space for new inequalities. I see the sixties as a much broader movement against authoritarian structures, versus democratic ones. You surely wouldn't want to return to segregation, would you? I don't like the idea of quotas to deal with inequalities. Just as I don't like restrictive quotas. I don't like many things about the bloated administrations and their empty rituals. But I do not believe either in a one-size-fits-all approach. Concerning the Bakke case. Over here everybody has the right to study, if he passes the exams. And the universities only really recently started to collect term fees, of 500€ one term. And you get state support, Bafög, if your family can't afford to send you to university. (would that be too socialist for Ed's taste?) It used to be free but is a interest-free grant now. There is something called numerus clausus, in certain subjects, usually the subjects that everybody wants to study. It once was medicine, I may be economics and law now, I don't really know. That means the people with the best exams come first, no matter who they are. Something I honestly doubt though, is that Ed has a valuable positive strategy to offer below his scapegoats and spite and the a vision of return to Christian America.
Casinos are a great way to launder money too.
This is so sick:
The Arab Christian and Muslim population of Safed (over 12,000 compared to the smaller Arab Jewish contingent of 1700) were forced to flee when the Haganah forces attacked starting on May 6th (Over a week before the "six Arab nations attacked poor little Israel", ya-da, ya-da..).This was all a part of Plan Dalet, formulated in March 198, and carried out by the Haganah in April and May. Ignoring calls from the city for a truce, the Haganah continued to rain mortars down on the city, aimed at civilian targets, for four more days, even though, after the third day, the Haganah forces already controlled the main city buildings, including the citadel and fort. Just the week before that, the residents of Safed had to watch while the nearby village of Ein Zeytoun(pop800) had been attacked, scores of young Palestinian men had been bound and summarily executed by the Haganah and every last home in the village had been destroyed by explosion. (Source: Israeli author Meron Benvenisti, "Sacred Landscape". Benvenisti is a former deputy mayor of Jerusalem, and a columnist for Haaretz. But I'm sure he's just another one of those silly anti-semites, right?) And of course, none of the non-Jewish Palestinian residents of Safed were ever allowed to return to their city. The city demographics are now over 99% Jewish. But go right ahead and belittle the use of the term "expelled" to describe people who left under violent attack and threat of death and were subsequently refused any right to return to their homes after hostilities ended. Its a pathetic argument, but its the only one you can make. BTW, you do know that the overwhelming majority of German Jews who left pre-WWII German "simply fled", right? And you are apparently unaware of the Temple Mount Faithful. Check out their website if you don't think that there are Jews that have plans to demolish the Al-Aqsa mosque and re-build the temple.
Zubeida is a Muslim name. She claims her father was Arab so now I understand why a Jewish girl is named Zubeida. ( It is the name of my Aunt.) Some say Zubeida was a Afghan princess or Queen. It is a very uncommon name among Pathans. I have heard different things about what the name actually means. Some say it's meaning is "marigold." Dad insists that the origin is Afghan, but I have also read that the name is Arabic.
I posted this above too, but scroll back up and look at what I wrote about the name Zubeida. I wanted to name my daugher after my Aunt and dad said that there is no "meaning " to the name. see, Muslims have this thing about naming their children names that have a positive meanings or descriptions. So my dad says that because it was such a common Afghan name that people didn't want to let go of it and gave it "meaning." Dad says its quite an old name but the origin is not really known so as Muslims it is better to chose a name who's meaning and origin we are aware of. In an attempt to find meaning I also read that it means "marigold."
I didn't notice. I did notice your ignorance.
You were never pro-human rights.
Thanks, I checked it and may have been swift to think the meaning is not so controversial.
"to what do you attribute this horrible propensity for sabotage and destruction?" Diaspora (aka virtual) Political Judaism. Which is the major basis underlying the widely debated "Jewish problem" (a term arising again and again throughout history) and a major reason Israel was created. In your more lucid moments, Mooser, you might even agree that all would be better off virtual Political Judaism made aliya en masse where it can align itself with the physical Political Judaism that is Israel. All that sneaking around and subversion is unhealthy, unpatriotic, and the basis of anti-semitism. As a diaspora Jew not interested in Political Judaism, I would think you would agree with me on this, Mooser.
Much less dramatic than your vignette suggests, so why did you put it that way? So it would trigger a book and a movie? Iran on your mind? Zubeida I: Female, Israeli born of Jewish mother and Arab father and forced to flee to the US for fear of my father. Zubeida II: [mother] realized that if she didn't leave when she did things were not going to evolve in a bearable manner because of the intellectual par between them. By the way: I think that there is a cultural diff too between a couple with lower and upper middle class origins. At least that's my impression.
yes, thanks. "stranger" met "peace"
How pathetic is it that these inbred freaks think they are INHERENTLY superior to non-Jews? Those kids' excuses for stealing Palestine was that they (Jews) have a more 'special' relationship to the land? Fucking Nazis.
Wow, a link to a Starbuck's press release. Well, that proves it then. No connection whatsover to Israel. Talk about gullible. I believe the problem is with Howard Shultz, CEO of Starbucks, and HIS links to Israel, including his statements and his reception of an award from the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah, a right-wing Israeli group with ties to the settler movement.. If you'd bothered to actually read Kathleen's link article you'd know that. So, was it sloth or deception that prompted your shoot-from-the -hip-and-check-the-facts-later response?
the coastal post is telling the truth about the mideast and getting severely punished for it. local zionists are stealing and throwing away the papers on newsstands, among other guerilla tactics. another group is committed to fighting back. is is a great story and someone should tell it. the site below is trying to support coastal post. http://14friendsofpalestine.org/coastalpost.html
Pictures of Jewish paramilitaries driving the Palestinians of Jaffa into the sea: http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a...
Haj Amin al-Husayni was scion to the al-Husayni family, who along with the an-Nashashibis, were preeminant or "notable" families in Palestine. (Arafat claimed descent to the al-Husaynis through his mother.) Haj Amin's father had been Mufti (and in that capacity had called for the Jews to be terrorized and expelled from Palestine in 1900), and his brother had held the post until he died. The al-Husayni controlled large tracts of land and the tenants who worked that land, and that was also part of the basis of Amin's power. This was the context in which Herbert Samuel appointed Amin al-Husayni, who had earlier (in the 1920s) led attacks on the settlers, including the one that resulted in the ethnic cleansing of Hebron. It is true that the 1936-39 uprising was a direct outgrowth of the 1935 Qassam raids. (Incidentally, Izz ad-Din al-Qassam was not a Palestinian.) But the Mufti took over the leadership following al-Qassam's death and pretty much held it until he failed in the 1948 war, largely because he had appointed his cousin Abd al-Qadr (father of Faisal al-Husayni) as the inept commander of the Palestinian militia in Jerusalem. Following the war, the population turned away from the religious leadership that sought to reestablilsh the Muslim Calilphate toward secular pan-Arabists.
This was in 1933. It was a single episode, and the coin was minted by the Nazi's in Germany to serve whatever propaganda purpose (or perhaps even as a joke). This has absolutely nothing to do with the Mufti who, some 10 years later, spent time in Berlin and raised a unit of Muslim SS volunteers in occupied Yugoslavia (many of whom in 1941-48 volunteered to fight in Jaffa), and was later indicted for war crimes.
Dickerson, "The Nazis rejected this proposal for an alliance because, it is reported, they considered LEHI’s militarypower ‘negligable.’ ” And they were correct. Lehi, at best, had only a few hundred members and a handful of operatives. (Not to mention that the Nazis probably would have been loathe to deal with Jews.) In the meantime (and what your "Pallywood Playbook" doesn't point out), some 30,000 Jewish men and women in Palestine volunteered and served with the British fight fascsim in Europe.
Uh Sarah, where on the Web page you linked do we see "Pictures of Jewish paramilitaries driving Palestinians of Jaffa into the sea''?
tree, but of course what you left out was that (a) the Jewish population of Safed at the top of the hill had been entirely cut off and placed under siege by Fawzi al-Qawqji's militia of Palestinian and Iraqi irregulars, as had the remaining Jewish settlements of the Upper Galillee (all of which were in the area allocated to the Jewish State) and that (b) "Plan Dalet" was designed in response to the sieges and attempts at ethnic cleansing on the part of the Arabs. But feel free to go ahead and live our little fantasies. I am well familiar with Meron Benvenisti, as his lovely daughter used to babysit my daughter many years ago. At that time, Benvenisti lived in what had been an Arab neighborhood that had been ethnically cleansed in 1947-48. I wonder where he lives now? And yes, I am aware that the overwhelming majorit of German Jews who left pre-WWII Germany simply fled. They also have not demanded a "Right of Return". That's all I'm suggesting.
Moskowitz is a dirty, rat-like scumbag.
Jes "And yes, I am aware that the overwhelming majorit of German Jews who left pre-WWII Germany simply fled. They also have not demanded a "Right of Return". That's all I'm suggesting." A silly suggestion, as they have no need to demand a right of return as they already have it. Are you not aware that many Russian and Israeli Jews who can prove the German citizenship of their forebears have been given rights of return to German? Are you not aware that other European countries have offered the same thing? You can not be living in Israel and claim to not know of the number of Israeli Jews with parents or ancestors from European countries who are lining up to receive passports from the countries that are offering them. And of course many German and other Jews have received monetary compensation from Germany, or at least Jewish organizations claiming to represent them have received such money. So its really quite rich of you to claim that the German Jews asked for or demanded anything less than what the Palestinians have asked for. The only difference is that the Jews have been somewhat successful in attaining what they asked for, but the Palestinians have not. And of course you left out any mention of violent conflict in your mocking description , as if the non-Jewish Arab citizens of Safed just got up and left, instead of leaving under threat of violence or possible death if they remained. That is MY point. International law enshrines the right of refugees to return to their land of origin. And your revisionist description of Plan Dalet does not match what was said about it by those in the Haganah who formalized it, and you probably know that but wish to pretend otherwise. The Plan makes absolutely no differentiation in the treatment of Arab villages with any Jewish population and those without. Resistance to the Jewish forces of any kind was sufficient for expulsion of the entire population and the destruction of its homes. And this determination was left up to the discretion of the local Haganah commanders. Its hard to see how anyone could seriously claim that this kind of action wouldn't just lead to greater hostility on the part of non-Jewish Arabs towards the Jews that were expelling them and destroying their homes. From Plan Dalet: "4. Mounting operations against enemy population centers located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be divided into the following categories: Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously. Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the. armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state. The villages which are emptied in the manner described above must be included in the fixed defensive system and must be fortified as necessary." The primary purpose, as stated in Plan Dalet, of the expulsion of the resisting Arab population was the prevention of these villages being used as bases for opposing fighters. The Zionist forces, including both the Irgun and Haganah forces had already mounted numerous attacks on Arab villages and towns prior to Plan Dalet, starting back in December of 1947 for the Haganah, and the Irgun had been committing terrorist acts against Arab civilians for years prior to that. But go ahead and pretend that the Haganah was merely trying to defend Jews. No one who seriously studies the history believes your myth anymore.
Yes, I didn't say "is", I said "as". Judaism isn not "pure negativity" necessarily. However, since WW2, Judaism has become extensively secularised, and heavily influenced by existentialism, which is pretty near to pure negativity. Wiesel is a good example of this, and quite explicit about it.
You cannot edit after someone has replied to you. This is normal in comments engines, for obvious reasons.
Are you not aware that many Russian and Israeli Jews who can prove the German citizenship of their forebears have been given rights of return to German? That's not quite the case. Russian Jews do not have to prove anything. The German Federal Republic has been recruiting them with generous grants since the fall of Communism, and without reference to the citizenship of their forebears. As for Israeli Jews (actually all Jews who can prove that their immediate ancestors were German citizens) German immigration law does this for all ethnic Germans, not just Jews. And of course many German and other Jews have received monetary compensation from Germany, or at least Jewish organizations claiming to represent them have received such money. I have never stated my opposition here, nor do I oppose, reparations for Palestinian refugees, so I don't know what you're going on about. Perhaps you'd like to talk about the Iraqi and other Middle Eastern Jews who "fled" their countries of origin?
That is MY point. International law enshrines the right of refugees to return to their land of origin. That is, as you say, rich. The convention on Refugee Rights was formalized in 1950 – two years after the Palestinians became refugees. Further, the Palestinians are the only group of refugees explicitly left out of the charter. Refugees (except for the Palestinians) also have the right to be integrated into the countries and societies to where they have fled in the event that they are not able to return to their countries of origin (which is the case with the vast majority of refugees). The Palestinian refugees have not been granted this right in the majority of countries where they reside. (In Lebanon, this ban is even written into the constitution with the claim that it would upset the delicate ethnic balance of the state.) Finally, under the UNHCR Charter, children of refugees do not inherit refugee status.
The Plan makes absolutely no differentiation in the treatment of Arab villages with any Jewish population and those without. I did not say anything of the kind. Go back and re-read what I wrote. Then take a look at the map of the Partition. Ben-Gurion and the Haganah decided to implement tokhnit dalet when it became clear that the isolated Jewish settlements in the Jewish-controlled areas of the Upper Gallilee would be cut off by Quaqji and his irregulars and would likely be lost (as had, for example, been Kibbutz Gesher). Now, take a look at what you wrote: "The primary purpose, as stated in Plan Dalet, of the expulsion of the resisting Arab population was the prevention of these villages being used as bases for opposing fighters." A reasonable objective in war time.
"…as witness the atheists who fill the popular chat columns and chat shows with recycled 19th century arguments against religion even today (though they never seem to mention Judaism, only Christianity and Islam) ."–Rowan I used to participate on a news Faith forum and I can testify that this is true with some exceptions….
How about a free thinking analytical process…?
".Like I said there are definite cultural diff between muslims and jews and in personal relationships it manifests itself most clearly."–zubeida I am not so sure that I agree with this…I do not think that confusing culture with religion is helpful. Were your parents from the same culture? In other words were they both Arab? I would think that Muslims and Jews from the same kind of culture, such as the American culture for example, would find more similarities with each other than Muslims and Jews that come from different cultures…Are you actuallly talking about religious differences manifesting themselves in your parent's relationship or cultural differences or a combination of both mixed that just happened to also include a difference in educational levels?
I do hate it when this person who calls himself, with what I suppose is a sort of false modesty, "citizen" commands me to do something and says, with what I suppose is a sort of false politneness, "thanks." This is the second time he has done this. I really can't help supposing that he's just addicted to falseness through and through.
Nastasia, I enjoyed that. I must say, I wouldn't have thrived under "Marxism-Leninism." I think it's a great pity Marx didn't stick to economics, because if he was right about the rate of profit necessarily falling with increasing industrialisation (which in a nutshell is what Das Kapital is actually saying), then it would have been much better to have explained that in simple language (as I often try to do) and to have left all the amateur anthropology strictly alone. Engels was even worse in this respect. I'm in favour of enormously talented and good-looking Jewesses, though. I'm even in favour of Rosa Luxemburg, who was certainly talented, and a lot more sensible than Lenin, though it's hard to call her good-looking. Incidentally, she didn't understand the theory of the falling rate of profit either: she thought it was just a matter of demand deficiency, but it isn't.
You "suggested" that the Palestinians are asking for something that Jews never asked for, i.e. a right of return and compensation. My point was and is that you are totally wrong on this. Jews did ask for a right of return to countries they were forced to leave and they have been granted it. And they did ask for compensation and to some extent some of them, or organizations claiming to represent them, have received compensation. Do you just write things and then forget what you wrote? To remind you: "And yes, I am aware that the overwhelming majorit of German Jews who left pre-WWII Germany simply fled. They also have not demanded a "Right of Return". That's all I'm suggesting." I posted this statement of yours ahead of my response so there could be no confusion about what I was responding to. But still you are "confused"? Maybe you need to pay more attention to what you write, and then you would understand my responses better. "As for Israeli Jews (actually all Jews who can prove that their immediate ancestors were German citizens) German immigration law does this for all ethnic Germans, not just Jews. " A fine example of not discriminating on the basis of religion. In Israel, Jews are allowed to "return" to Israel purely on the basis of Jewish ancestry and not on any prior ancestors from what is now Israel. And Palestinians, who can prove prior ancestry or even in some cases prior residence for themselves as well as their ancestors, are denied any right of return. Again, Jews from Germany have been granted a right of return, Palestinians have not been granted such a right in Israel. That is the difference, not a difference in desires or demands as you incorrectly claimed.
So your point is that Jews that can prove that their immediate ancestors were Germans can not and should not be allowed to return to Germany if they wish? And this should ban should apply to all Jews who's ancestors came from Europe? Because that is what you are advocating.