From the Israel Policy Forum site (quoting Yedioth Ahronoth): Ehud Barak is going to tell George Mitchell today that Israel plans to finish building 2000 units and won't freeze construction in East Jerusalem. Oh–and freeze only lasts for three to six months.
[M]essages began to come in from Washington indicating that the United
States had no intention of compromising on a complete settlement
construction freeze.
A source in the American administration said
that Israeli willingness to halt all construction for a limited period
of time was unacceptable.
Isn't it odd how the Obamessiah made a big deal about not pressuring other countries and apologizing for American interference, but then makes immoral demands on Israel out of the other side of his mouth?
LOL I can't believe you said that. To stop the occupation is now considered immoral?
What occupation are you referring to? The hate that occupies the minds of Muslim fanatics and leftist dupes like Phillip Weiss alike? Israel has as much right to be in Judea and Samaria as any Arab, land is either owned or it is governed, very little land is owned by Arabs.
In the 1976 International Convention for Civil and Political Rights, it states we must prohibit all forms of discrimination against people on the basis of religion and nationality, but you want to throw people out of their homes because they are Jews. That is a violation of international law.
Perhaps someone can explain why Mitchell negotiates with Barak, instead of the foreign minister, Lieberman.
Because the Israelis believe that Barak is a better salesman than the bouncer from Moldova.
Coudn't it be that "Judea and Samaria" are defense related and not foreign policy?
Lieberman is a racist clown. Even Obambi recognizes that, so he's freezing out the Moldovan thug.
Either Obama is going to launch a naval blockade against Israel and show he has a spine, or he's going to play footsie with these vermin. It's as simple as that.
Not that I think that Obama's gonna solve this thing but I gotta say it is delicious to see this happen, if it does. The gov't of Israel has so completely given itself over to game-playing for so long now it's just fun to see their reaction when it appears that finally someone is just saying they aren't going along. The sputtering and pouting; it's like seeing some kid crying with his lip stuck out saying "but that's not *fair* you always let me cheat *before*!" On the other hand we've yet to see if Obama is indeed going to hang tough here. Lots of reasons for him to allow 'em a least a little cheating room. And the Israelis just got some reason to hang tough; anyone note that Congress just approved an extension of the big loan-guarantee package to them, which secures it through about 2012 if I'm not mistaken? Woulda been nice to have seen Obama hold that up a bit to give Netanyahu something to chew over.
Or, he's been chosen as America's interlocutor, when talks end, no man in all Israel is more practiced than Barach in declaiming the line: Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
So why did we just approve millions in loan guarantees??
Likud Platform:The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel . The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Mondoweiss, Have you seen this particular video interview before? I understand that this Rabbi had been honored in Congress with the 'Congressional Gold Medal' and that they made a day in honor of him which former Pres. Jimmy Carter inaugurated called 'Education and Sharing Day'… The First Thing When Moshiach Comes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NW0bye-pwQ&eu...
Wow, Marion. That video is powerful.
American platform: Then it's time for Likud to vanish from the pages of time.
what is this video , is it a dramatization?
Because of candidate behavior in 2008, we really should wait to see whether Obama really is serious about an unqualified settlement halt: Greenwald: Rutten, Ahmadinejad, Biden, Palin.
Because of the Jews in congress and because of AIPAC's influence. That's it in a nutshell.
And what do you conclude from that?
Call 202-456-1111, The White House comment line, and register your opinion. This is a far more powerful way than contacting your congressman who will ignore your opinion.
Your link is bad.
Richard, I conclude from the video "The First Thing When Moshiach Comes " that there are leaders high up the ladder in the religious Jewish community, both here and in Israel, who collectively have no intention on agreeing to any kind of land for peace deal….. .What do you conclude from it?
That many Jews ay one thing to the world, but do something else. You heard the Rabbi. The talks are only so that people won't say Israel doesn't want peace. Did the Torah teach them that?
WItty, I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the Quran you read that Jews are descendent from pigs and monkeys.
Yes, assuming the principle you are familiar with, which use to be called lebensraum in your country.
I'm afraid Obama has already made his decision because to my knowledge he didn't even send a rep to congress to suggest maybe they should delay, or at least consider delay the rubber-stamping of annual Israel aid both due to the settlement issue and the state of our economy. Now that would have sent a real signal other than Mitchell's obvious disdain for the ape man, Lieberman.
Greenwald: Rutten, Ahmadinejad, Biden, Palin
Because of candidate behavior in 2008, we really should wait to see whether Obama really is serious about an unqualified settlement halt: Greenwald: Rutten, Ahmadinejad, Biden, Palin.
I feel almost sorry for Lieberman nowadays. A former bully who thought the high class kids would accept him into their midst now that he has a "respectable" title. But everybody shuns him, and he doesn't understand why.
Again, I see the hand of Rahm Emanuel. POTUS announces to the Muslim world he's going to do this, lots of messages and end-arounds come out, we're doing this, Obama is risking his credibility, fait accompli announced there, and how does he respond? "[M]essages began to come in from Washington indicating that the United States had no intention of compromising on a complete settlement construction freeze." Which is to say, I meant what I said. We'll have to go through several rounds of, are you sure you won't bend here? are you sure we can't change there? you know you're an AntiSemite if you don't do this, but ultimately, a clear and resolute message, the ability to talk straight with the Israelis, is what has been missing all along. There may be many fanatics who look only to the Torah to know they can build wherever they want, but the political cogniscenti in Israel will make decisions based on their own assessment of reality, and now that may include a US that is no longer a spineless puppet. At last, maybe we'll get some respect over there.
Spanish court ends Israel bombing probe link to thestate.com
It's pure political posturing to call for a settlement freeze. ALL the settlements are illegal. If Obama were serious about peace he would tell the israelis: "tear down the settlements or we'll tear them down for you. " Period.
"A source in the American administration…messages began to come in" – right. Give me a name and then I'll take it seriously.
Only if Obama was an idiot. Which means… yes, you guessed it.
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4... Othman based his ruling on a Koranic verse (Koran sura 5, verse 60) that refers to those that Allah (G-d) has cursed and "made into monkeys and pigs, and who have served abominations. Their place is worst of all, and their deviation is the greatest of all…"He added that this verse referred to the nation of the descendants of the prohet Moses
Lieberman is very welcome here. Nice and reasonable guy. Too soft recently though.
And who's going to occupy the vessel, you idiot? The only vessel suitable for you is a potty. You'll not be able to leave it after my my AK 47 will make a little Cast Lead operation into your shithole.
I asked for a Quranic verse and you give me a link to a weird forum and supposedly Uthman's ruling? I was talking to Witty. I would like for Witty to point me to the direct verse which he said was in the Quran that said Jews are descendants from pigs and monkeys. That verse from chapter 5 says, some people were turned into monkeys and pigs as a punishment for their sins.(These monkeys and pigs did not REPRODUCE, they died, and they did not REPRODUCE HUMANS). Then other verses also go into details outlining the sins of the nation of Israel. The story continues and a few verses later, God also says that there are those from the nation of Israel who are on the right path. It never says anywhere that the Jews are descendents of pigs and monkeys. The Quran teaches us we are from Adam and Eve. Insulting the Israelis would be insulting a nation that the Quran addresses with respect, who were given divine knowledge, as "People of the Book." Being a "People of the Book" is no small distinction, it is a honor. God did not reveal his divine knowledge to animals, but to humans.
The Quran does not follow a chronological order when it comes to telling stories…. The Chapter titled the Cow, which is mostly about Moses and the children of Israel, chapter 2, verse 65, says that there were some people who did not observe the Sabbath and they were punished as a result by God, they were turned into animals.
No, if he cared about right and wrong. ALL of the Occupation is illegal. All the settlements/checkpoints/blah blah blah. ICJ. World Court. Theodore Meron. The 1979 State Dept. Memo. International Law. ETC. It's only because Jews in our country shove the Holocaust down peoples' throats AND they make up the elite in our country and function in and of themselves as a tremendous social pressure plus the power of the MIC that this is still going on. Israel is nothing more than a Jewish colony acting as an imperial outpost. No right to exist. An entirely illegitimate State. The American army should be burying Israeli soldiers and razing settlements and throwing those corrupt fanatical tribal Jewish politicians/inbred colonists in jail.
We have to speak the truth. The destruction of Israel's Jews is as right as the destruction of Europe's Jews was wrong.
Which settlement are you from lovely?
well said!
wtf
Not in my name, li, not in my name. The Israelis share in what rights there are for humans. Nor do I see the purpose of your statement, unless it is to reinforce the fear that Jews might be harmed because of their identity – your words provide Israel with a cause for continued war, and I disagree with you. I disagree that the Israelis are to be held guilty, collectively, for the actions of the state – any more than we are, with our war in Iraq. Yes, we share guilt for the deaths from our Nation's war, but unless you consider self-annihilation the appropriate reaction to our responsibility, I fail to see how destroying the Jews of Israel can be considered equitable. That's very different from a demand for equal rights and individual freedom in the I-P (which I submit should include the freedom to worship according to individual faith.)
By here I take it you mean your neo nazi club house.
What is it about your AK 47 that make syou feel so special? You should know, it won't make any difference to your inability to satisfy a woman.
"I'm still waiting for you to show me where in the Quran you read that Jews are descendent from pigs and monkeys. " And I'm still wiating for you to show us where in the Torah is says that non Jews are human excrement, cattle who's purpose is to serve as slaves to the Jewish people.
I agree. After WW2 the German people were subjected to collective guilt by the Allies, including the US and Soviet occupational forces. This included slave labor. Further, over 15 million ethnic Germans were transferred from the East to Germany. Many died. And, of course, during the war Dresden, for example, was fire bombed–at the time Dresden was a well-known civilian refugee and hospitalization spot…
Last night on Fox News the Israeli defense spokesman, apropos his 4 hour meeting with Mitchell, said that Israel could not freeze certain on-going settlement construction as it would violate private contracts. As to another 50 new homes, he could not freeze them either as they were legislatively authorized about six months ago–before Obama's Cairo speech. Greta asked him three times, barely paraphrasing, "Doesn't Israel feel a pressing need to take care of Iranian nuclear activity going on now?" The Israeli spokesman replied, "Not years; rather months–a few months; Israel leaves all options on the table." Compare, the Mossad chief had recently announced that the earliest date for Iran to have a viable nuclear threat is 2014 (hence agreeing with the CIA's latest assessment): http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_i... The Israeli spokesman went on to say the Western nations, Russia, China, and India, must act collectively now to stifle all trade with Iran, use every conceivable form of economic weapon against Iran, the greatest threat to the world. That's the first time I've seen the settlements discussed even briefly on cable news. It was maybe a five minute Q & A.
Apparently Barak won't even agree to a three month total freeze and wants the whole world to economically strangle Iran now; simultaneously Obama's regime has OK'd another 3.8 billion to Israel. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=124629...
A recently declassified 1960 CIA analysis of Israel's nuclear activity reveals US concern that if Israel got the nuke weapon it would be too independent, less subject to anyone's influence, the same reason Israel now wants to prevent Iran from getting nuke weapon–at any cost to Israel's outside helper nations: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Nuclear-Weapons-...
The same reason? Hardly. The Iranian threat is to the world, not for defense.
Kids, this is your brain on drugs.
No, it's only because reality is more complicated than your black-and-white drug-induced version of it. Grow up.
Am I reading into this too much or are you actually inciting genocide?
If you ask me it is Zionist Israel that is the greatest threat to the world, not Iran….
The Zionist Israel threat is to the world Ishmail….
Israel is the threat. The Iranians simply need to defend themselves against hawkish Israel and its aider and abettor, Uncle Sam. Look at Uncle Sam's subversion and proxy attacks on Iran, beginning with the US's puppet tyrant which brought on the Iranian revolution. Israel has attacked Iraq's nuke system and Syria's fledgling one; Israel has extended its UN authorized 56% of Mandate (itself grossly unfair to the Palestinians at the time) to now so much less than 20% of the land remains for Palestinians to have a state on, with more being eaten up daily.
Latest ploy: Israelis creating array of new clearly illegal (even by Israeli law) tent/shack outposts to be set up to be taken down to show Obama their good faith and allow the US MSM to echo same. link to imemc.org Next thing: Hordes of Israelis spreading out and camping with their sleeping bags. They will stick little Israel flags in the ground. Thus thousands of new settlement outposts will be created to be taken down by picking up each sleeping bag, shouldering it, and walking away, the tiny flag stuffed in each back pocket. Headline: "Israel takes down thousands of outposts in good faith towards a lasting peace."
Citizen, I read the "rush transcript," and for a moment there, I thought Greta was getting tough on Barak. Asked several questions about the settlements, then flipped right into the Hannity-esque "so, when are you gonna bomb Iran" topic. No mention of the capture of the humanitarian ship "Spirit of Humanity" by the IDF that day (with American citizen Cynthia McKinney onboard!), the war crimes being investigated in Gaza by the UN, or any questions whatsoever about easing the siege on the civilian population. Here's the transcript of her softball interview: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529665,00.htm...
Citizen, it's laughable. No one is falling for the "illegal outposts" canard, because even the phrase suggests that if the IDF takes down these ramshackle lean-to's, then everything else on Palestinian land is now "legal outposts." The hasbara is working like bald tires on ice, and you can feel the panic growing. Now there's such a hissy fit in the Knesset, they're refusing to attend the annual July 4th independence day party at US Ambassador James Cunningham's home! Keep it up Mitchell and Obama. Maybe they'll boycott our $3 billion in US taxypayer dollars every year! http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=124629...
Margaret Why should the people who have beaten, tortured, murdered, degraded, humiliated, massacred and dispossessed the indigenous population for 60 years now be entitled to equal rights? They have forfeited any such rights. On a more pragmatic note, Israel a nuclear equipped menace to humankind. Their existence is too grave a risk to the planet to be tolerated.
You're right. She was begging (3X) the Israeli spokesmen to lay out persuasively his case for bombing Iran ASAP, but he was too dense to do so, or simply could not (after his 4 hours with Mitchell). She's an evil joke–check out who her husband is. She's also really dense and looks like she belongs as a guard in an SS concentration camp. How ironic can you get? If you follow her, she's always way over her head in what she talks about. She belongs in the missing part of Fargo. But AIPAC likes it that way.
Obama has said that he's not ready to toss carrots as well as sticks to Israel. Will he ever be ready? Take advantage of his pubic capital? Jury still out…
Oops, I mean toss sticks as well as carrots–the latest boost to free money to Israel was just OK'd.
Didn't Sarko call Israel an "economic miracle" last year? Why does a miracle need foreign aid?
Well I do not know about about the Torah saying "that non Jews are human excrement, cattle who's purpose is to serve as slaves to the Jewish people", but it seems some Jewish leaders have said so: "Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk..
Amnon Kapeliouk (1931-2009) Est Mort An extraordinary Journalist Franklin Lamb Ramlet al Baida Beach, Lebanon Israeli jounalist Amnon Kapeliouk was my kind of Journalist and my kind of Jew. http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/20...
None of the Israeli towns and villages AKA "settlements" are "illegal". Can you quote a law that says so? Be specific. I bet you can't….
The more antisemitic "anti-Zionists" blabber, the easier it is for me to convince others that "anti-Zionism" is nothing more than modern antisemitism. You and MondoLies itself, makes my job so much easier. Thanks. Keep it up.
This sounds about right. The USA very, very much does not want an independent Israel. This is part of what is behind US aid to Israel – Washington gets to veto anything and everything that Jerusalem wants to do. As for genuine threats to world peace, those of you who would prefer a nuclear Iran to a nuclear Israel deserve to get vaporized – for the greater glory of Allah, of course….
Hi jake Used to be only a handful of people called the Israelis "Nazi shit from the toilet." Now the entire world refers to you filth that way. But you think you're gaining friends left and right! That's called a delusion, jake. A Nazi delusion. And we'll all be laughing next time you assholes are blown to pieces in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem or any of the other reeking garbage dumps you fake Jews live in.
Coming soon to a town near YOU Jake: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it...
Sure jake-the-nazi-asshole-from-dogshit-Israel We'd much rather a country like israel, which has attacked every one of it's neighbors, in possession of nuclear weapons than Iran, which has attacked none. You're scum You're an idiot. Worst of all—you're Israeli and that's why everyone hates you.
Shingo Dingo, I never made such claims. You are confusing me with someone else. I did hear the Rabbi, a man of God, fearlessly say that they are lying to the world in order to further their agenda in that youtube link in this thread.
Sounds like he learned from the Nazis well. Superior race. Sure….. that's why they needed the US money and power in and British support, who are mostly made of up the inferior races, in order to form the Zionist entity called Israel.
Iran is a threat to no one. They haven't invaded or attacked any other state in 300 years. Israel can't go 12 months without bombing someone.
lovelyisraelis – Why? Because some rights are inalienable – they are not property, not a thing, not a wager to be forfeited. Citizen's examples are of the results of "dehumanizing" others as you do in these comments. Regardless of how one feels about the actions of others, they remain human. On what basis can a group of individuals be punished for the actions of some of those individuals? It is not the existence of people which presents a threat; it is the action taken by some of those people. Actions can be defined as criminal, condemned and sanctioned through law. IMHO, people can be condemned only by an act of the State, for which the state is accountable. Vigilant action by the public is required to maintain the equity of law, not vigilante action. Boycott Israel, divest from Israel, sanction Israel's breach of law. Demand accountability of our own representatives, that due process of law is used to determine when criminal acts occur, and to ensure punishment of the actors. Don't just kill everyone. Actions of the US and other nations also represent a risk to the planet. One way to reduce that risk is international disarmament.
Citizen – Continued funding for Isarel was OK'd by our elected representatives. Those representatives must be held responsible for their decisions. We are their constituency; without our vote they shall not remain in office.
Margaret wrote: "I disagree that the Israelis are to be held guilty, collectively, for the actions of the state – any more than we are, with our war in Iraq." 1. The same principle that pertained in Gaza, right? The people of Gaza are not to be held guilty, collectively, for the actions of the state….. 2. At the time US was imposing sanctions on Iraq and many voices were protesting that innocent Iraqis were dying as a result of the sanctions, Patrick Clawson, a leading anti-Iran hawk, wrote an essay justifying sanctions on innocent civilians on the reasoning that, even if the innocent civilians did not vote for the person in power who was acting badly, they were not doing anything to remove that bad actor from power, so it was appropriate to impose collective punishment. Recall that Israelis elected Netanyahu. So complete the thought: if one is to be consistent, and if it was appropriate to collectively punish Gazans for electing Hamas, and it was appropriate to collectively punish Iraqis for NOT overthrowing Saddam, then it IS appropriate to collectively punish Israelis for electing Netanyahu and for not overthrowing governments that support the oppression of the Palestinian people.
Is Africa over-populated? Maybe all the money being made by the Israeli government can turn deserts into fertile land and they can settle there instead of fighting for that piece of land… Of course, I am only kidding.
Given what some historical non-Jewish Zionists thought about Jews themselves, you can make a very good case that Zionism is anti-semitism by other means.
Thanks, Psychopathicgod. "Israeli rules" don't work any better when applied against the Israelis.
Hi Margaret My way is the wrong way. Your way is the right way. I acknowledge that. There's just one problem. Your way has been proven over 60 years to bring absolutely nothing but more displacement, subjugation, homelessness, death, suffering and horror to the Palestinian people, who, as a result to the "peace process" are in the most hopeless and destitute state since this tragedy began. I care about the Palestinians. I don't care any longer about the israelis. I don't care what happens to them. Their lives are a matter of total indifference to me. They are incapable of eliciting sympathy any more. The Gaza massacre was an eye-opener, even for those who have followed this situation for a long time. The entire world was sickened by what the israelis, with essentially unanimous public approval, did to the Palestinians, yet the Israeli public gleefully supported it. Yes…the Israeli people are human, morphologically. Morally and spiritually, they are NOT human. They deserve no protection under the law. They are a disease, in my view.