Saree Makdisi calls the media to task for its coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and especially Netanyahu’s speech last weekend. From his oped in today’s Los Angeles Times “The language that absolves Israel“:
Similarly, Israeli housing units built in the occupied territories in contravention of international law are always called “settlements” or even “neighborhoods” rather than what they are: “colonies.” That word may be harsh on the ears, but it’s far more accurate (”a body of people who settle in a new locality, forming a community subject to or connected with their parent state”).
These subtle distinctions make a huge difference. Unconsciously absorbed, such terms frame the way people and events are viewed. When it comes to Israel, we seem to reach for a dictionary that applies to no one else, to give a pass to actions or statements that would be condemned in any other quarter.
That’s what allowed Netanyahu to be congratulated for endorsing a Palestinian “state,” even though the kind of entity he said Palestinians might — possibly — be allowed to have would be nothing of the kind.
Look up the word “state” in the dictionary. You’ll probably see references to territorial integrity, power and sovereignty. The entity that Netanyahu was talking about on Sunday would lack all of those constitutive features. A “state” without a defined territory that is not allowed to control its own borders or airspace and cannot enter into treaties with other states is not a state, any more than an apple is an orange or a car an airplane. So how can leading American newspapers say “Israeli Premier Backs State for Palestinians,” as the New York Times had it? Or “Netanyahu relents on goal of two states,” as this paper put it?
Because a different vocabulary applies.
Makdisi goes on to make an essential point about a part of Netanyahu’s speech that we noticed as well – Jews in Israel are “a people,” Palestinians in Israel are “a population.” Makdisi explains the consequences of this:
“The truth,” he said, “is that in the area of our homeland, in the heart of our Jewish homeland, now lives a large population of Palestinians.”
In other words, as Netanyahu repeatedly said, there is a Jewish people; it has a homeland and hence a state. As for the Palestinians, they are a collection — not even a group — of trespassers on Jewish land. Netanyahu, of course, dismisses the fact that they have a centuries-old competing narrative of home attached to the same land, a narrative worthy of recognition by Israel.
On the contrary: The Palestinians must, he said, accept that Israel is the state of the Jewish people (this is a relatively new Israeli demand, incidentally), and they must do so on the understanding that they are not entitled to the same rights. “We” are a people, Netanyahu was saying; “they” are merely a “population.” “We” have a right to a state — a real state. “They” do not.
And the spokesman for our African American president calls this “an important step forward”?
In any other situation — including our own country — such a brutally naked contrast between those who are taken to have inherent rights and those who do not would immediately be labeled as racist. Netanyahu, though, is given a pass, not because most Americans would knowingly endorse racism but because, in this case, a special political vocabulary kicks in that prevents them from being able to recognize it for exactly what it is.
It’s time to change the vocabulary. Part of the US media’s responsibility is to help people understand the nature of a conflict that the US is supporting to the tune of $3 billion a year. That mission is part of what drives this site, and many others. It’s time for the mainstream media to catch up.
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FAIR did a study of the language used at NPR
Yes, I would suggest that we use the word "Islamofascism" to describe the philosophy of Hamas and its supporters. It has a nice ring of truth about it.
Rather a dishonest editorial. Makdisi is a liar. I read a transcript of the speech (in English). Netanyahu didn't say the proposed Palestinian state wouldn't have defined territory or wouldn't control its borders. Though I imagine that he would not let them control the Israeli side of the border any more than the U.S. lets Canada control the U.S. side of our common border. He never said they couldn't enter into treaties, just that they couldn't enter into military treaties. He mentioned not wanting them to enter into treaties with Iran or Hezbollah (terrorist group) but that is understandable given their desire to destroy Israel. As for a state not being a real state if it is demilitarized, as I have said elsewhere, Japan is a fairly successful nation and has been demilitarized for over 60 years. It is Makdisi that wants Israel to be treated worse than any other nation. No other nation would be expected to allow a militarized state to form next door given the past Palestinian actions and declarations of their intent to destroy Israel. Exactly how hard is it for the Palestinians and their supporters to grasp that when you lose a war, you don't get to dictate the terms of the peace?
Oh, as for control of their airspace, there are two ways for the Palestinians to have the contiguous state they are demanding, that include Gaza and the West Bank. As we all know, every nation on Earth is contiguous *cough*Alaska, *cough*Hawaii, *cough*Falklands, *cough*Indonesia One way is to make Israel a discontinuous state. I have never heard a good explanation about why the Israelis, who are the stronger party, should be willing to accept this when the Palestinians, who are the weaker party won't. The other way is for Israel to give the Palestinians a narrow strip along their northern or southern border, hundreds of miles long in either case. In the first case, they don't want to have to go around the entire Palestinian state to get from one place to another in Israel. In the second case, they don't want to have to go around the entire Palestinian state to go from Israel to other places in the world. Of course, they also don't want the Palestinians shooting their planes down.
And that "ring of truth" is a substitute for the real thing, huh, Ali?
Your comparison is not apt. To travel from California to either Alaska or Hawaii, you do not have to pass over any other country, just international waters. Same thing for getting from England to Northern Ireland or the Falklands. Same for getting around Indonesia. But you can't get from the West Bank to Gaza without passing over Israel or other countries.
It's equally interesting what he ignores: settlement – colonies.
I ignored it because it seemed too silly to be worth commenting on. If you want a comment I would say that the settlements are an expansion of Israel, not colonies. The connotation of "colony" is a geographically distant land where the people in the colony don't have equal rights with the people in the parent country. Makdisi makes noises about "special vocabulary", but I have never heard of a village, town, or other settlement that is settled by citizens of a country on the borders of that country as a colony. I don't recall reading (in history books) of any settlement in America near the borders (at the time) being referred to as a colony with America as the parent country.
Despite Zionist claims that Japan is demilitarized as Zionists wish a Palestinian state to be (in order to facilitate more IDF atrocities like the recent Gaza Rampage), Japan definitely has a military. It is called the "Japan Self-Defense Forces" (自衛隊, Jieitai).
The US media vocabulary of the conflict over Palestine develops out of the epistemic terminology of Central and Eastern European extremist organic nationalism and völkisch racism.
Well, if you are going to be pedantic about it. Nakhchivan is a separate and landlocked part of Azerbaijan separated from the country by Armenia. Happy now?
LOL exactly, these people are clueless. Just look how "demilitarized" the Japanese are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH6__u__2WI&fm...
Can you give me an example of settlements not in a distant region. Or settlements that happened over history on neighboring ground. That seems indeed were the no-nations enter the stage, German eastern settlements come to mind. Historically you couldn't settle in established nations without asking them. Except they were barbarians, something close to animals uncivilized almost non-human. What you don't like is that the word pulls the usage out of the historical settlement context and into the newer colonization discourse. Basically the words are synonyms. http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sett... settlement: # S: (n) colony, settlement (a body of people who settle far from home but maintain ties with their homeland; inhabitants remain nationals of their home state but are not literally under the home state's system of government) "the American colony in Paris"
RE: " In other words, as Netanyahu repeatedly said, there is a Jewish people; it has a homeland and hence a state. As for the Palestinians, they are a collection — not even a group — of trespassers on Jewish land." NETANYAHU'S FATHER: "…The Bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases. The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetuate war…" "…The two states solution doesn’t exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population…there is no Palestinian people, so you don’t create a state for an imaginary nation…they only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews…" – Benzion Netanyahu, 2009 interview SOURCE OF NETANYAHU'S FATHER'S WORDS – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009...
nonsense.
As Le Monde diplomatique's interesting map ( http://bit.ly/1a88HK ) illustrated, the situation is much more complex than just West Bank/Gaza. And, of course, the waters between the islands of Hawaii are under its own sovereign control, a rather different situation from Palestine's. There are a few rather amusing instances of two countries having a patchwork of exclaves/enclaves between them – but Israel'Palestine does not equal Belgium/The Netherlands. (And, at least the last time I visited, there are few checkpoints between St. Peter's Square and the other parts of the Holy See in Rome…). As regards the Falklands and Alaska, there is the issue of distance: it is rather more plausible to expect to have to take a plane/cross through the territory of another country when such vast distances are involved. (And, I believe, those Americans insistent on travelling from the lower 48 to Alaska per pedes Apostolorum will probably find that the most significant formal barrier is the re-entry criteria imposed by the U.S.) Furthermore, the Falklands constitute a UK Overseas Territory, a rather different beast from, say, Scotland;)
Very intriguing, important editorial. It reminds me of philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein's concept of "language games". An understanding of such a basic function of human interaction as communication through speaking, the words chosen, inferred meaning of the words by the audience and the deliberate discrepancy between inferred meaning and the truth behind the speaker's words is absolutely crucial to discourse in all topics, but I think in the Palestine-Israel conflict they hold a special importance given historical context of the primary and peripheral parties involved. The implications of the use of language games in a political context can be seen all around us.
I call the Israelis Jewish "pieds noirs," the European settlers in French Algeria. They live in Marseilles now.
You just supported my point, not yours. On that site, the first word after (n) is the word being defined. The second word is a synonym. So their definition of "colony" includes "settle far from home". They also listed "settlement" as a synonym of "village", though you haven't posted their definition of "village" here. Their definition for the word "settlement" is "an area where a group of families live together". Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the meaning of "synonyms". You seem to think it means "words with identical meanings". Synonyms are words with closely related meanings. However, the meaning of synonyms is never (or rarely anyway) identical. Think of "house" and "residence". They are synonyms, but a building can be a house without being a residence if no one lives there. The reason "settlement" is a synonym of "colony" is that all colonies are settlements, though not all settlements are colonies. "Settlements" is a more accurate description of the Israeli settled areas in the West Bank than "colonies". Unfortunately for Palestinian propagandists.
How Jewish Zionists Self-Indoctrinate
It would not surprise me in the least if the term "settlement" was chosen after running focus groups in the U.S. I think quite a few Americans think of the embellished history they learned about Jamestown and Plymouth Rock when they hear that term.
Yeah, because the situation between Alaska and the US is *exactly* the same as being torn to several dozens, if not hundreds, of territorial shreds by the settlements and their infrastructure, right? Bringing up Gaza-Westbank contiguity is a red herring and nothing else. Everybody realizes that there will not be a genuine territorial link between them (transit highways or rails are the way to go.) This is about intra-West Bank settlements and their effects. It is im-effing-possible to build any kind of working state with the majority settlements being neither a) evacuated or b) fully incorporated into said state. If you disagree, here's a simple challenge for you: Draw me an outline of what you consider a viable Palestinian state. It's easy to do, just download some PD map of the West Bank, and draw a simple outline of the state with your OS's integral paint software, then post it on the image hosting site of your choice. Unless and until you do that, talking to you about territorial contiguity is moot.
Yes indeedy; very same ring as "Ziofascism"?
By the way, this may be of interest: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia... That's a step beyond "language games" which are merely deception. Netanyahu doesn't even bother to hide the lies anymore. What we have here is basically an attempt to introduce doublethink: We are to accept that he offered the Palestinians a state, while we are also to accept that he didn't offer them a state.
I bet the Pals would gladly agree to a national self defense force like Japan's; of course such a military force's legal restrictions would have to be balanced by a similar security agreement with the USA.
Is it? Just saying so, does not make it so. Either way, I found Adam's article on the special vocabulary informative–you didn't?
I'm reminded of the Nazi essays on the "jewish soul."
Very true. On the USA domestic front, think of how congress names the bills it wants to pass; the names often directly contradict the bill body meat, or lack of it.
Yeah, it's like naming an object an apple then describing it as an orange. Nobody's suppose to notice?
Okay, Thom thinks "colonies" is technically inaccurate. Other people think "settlements" is Orwellian and suggest legality or uncontentiousness. So, I have a couple ideas: How about "Squatter Villages", "Invasion Zones", or "Impreralist homesteads"?
"What we have here is basically an attempt to introduce doublethink: We are to accept that he offered the Palestinians a state, while we are also to accept that he didn't offer them a state." Very nicely put. I'm surprised though that no one has commented on how the language tactics of the Righties in Israel so closely resembles the philosopher (and neo-con mentor) Leo Strauss' idea about using language so that it has one meaning for the general world—an "exoteric" one— but conveys a completely differing "esoteric" one for those within a certain circle of understanding. In any event is rather funny that this subject comes up now right after another thread where "Jake from Israel" accused Obama of "betraying" Israel but then couldn't seem to come with an answer after I asked how in the world an American President "owed" anything to Israel. Reminds me of a clip from a wonderful if obscure movie ("Mr. Frost") where Jeff Goldblum played a guy who had murdered some kids and who claimed he was Satan, come to earth worried that psychology was killing the idea of evil. And—as I remember it at least—at one point in his back and forth with psychologist Kathy Baker trying to convince her she scores a verbal point on him which prompts him to smile and say something like "Ah language, my greatest invention."
Thom wrote: "Exactly how hard is it for the Palestinians and their supporters to grasp that when you lose a war, you don't get to dictate the terms of the peace?" Revealing bit of triumphalism uttered at the same time Israel is complaining about its dire circumstances, its "existential" threats, its demographic ones, and on and on. As Clausewitz said, war is merely a continuation of politics by other means, and the political ramifications of '67 are obviously continuing and I wouldn't be surprised if what the arabs are saying is "it's early yet." After all Israel is hemorrhaging its jewish citizenry, Israeli arabs are multiplying fast, the writing is on the wall that at some point Israel is going to have to give back a large chunk of the occupied territories…. Maybe Israel ought to consider Clausewitz's wisdom a bit more and realize that merely because you can take something from your neighbors by force and war today, that's still just politics which continues on and on and you have to live with those neighbors thereafter. And given the Holocaust it's an odd thing for an Israeli partisan to be hoping/demanding that those neighbors to just forget the past.
That's because you know nothing of Jewish history. And many, many Algerians were Jewish, promoted by their Muslim Berber and Arab brothers from "natives" to "Jew", dumped in Marseilles. We call you irrelevant.
Zionist ideology incorporates both
[See Issues and Questions in the Historiography of Pre-State Zionism.] How can it possibly be surprising that Zionism incorporates the absolute worst and most evil concepts of Central and E. European nationalism? Because Zionism is ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism and embodies the complete corpus of E. and C. European racist extremist organic nationalism, Zionist Hebrew vocabulary exhibits the full range of Nazi/racist extremist organic nationalist concepts in am/leom, neged-am, i-am, leumanut, and ukhlasiyah, Because ethnic Ashkenazi American journalists are often steeped in Zionist propaganda and conceptualization of the conflict over Palestine, the disproportionate representation of Jews in the media guarantees that the US public is being indoctrinated in Zionist/ethnic Ashkenazi Nazi concepts either subliminally or by a process akin to osmosis. Thanks to Zionism Nazi ideology in its Jewish form has become a living force in US domestic politics and foreign policy.
From Non-Crisis Jewish Philanthropy Later as a member of the French government of national defense, Crémieux opportunistically acting at least partially for Jewish special interest used his position to manipulate France into an act of exceptional largess in the 1870 Décret Crémieux (Crémieux Decree), which conferred French citizenship on European colons and Ibero-Berber Jews in Algeria. In one fell swoop he turned Algerian Jews into native colaborators in a situation comparable to that of ethnic Ashkenazi Jews in Polish or Austrian Poland while at the same time Algeria as an integral part of France suddenly began to look a lot like Ireland within the UK of the same time period. French Jewish philanthropy in Algeria ultimately created a French Algerian Jewish consciousness that benefited the State of Israel. During the Algerian War of Independence important French Algerian Jews whispered to French politicians that France and the State of Israel faced a common foe in Arab nationalism. Since Algerian Jews emigrated to France after Algerian independence, they have often served as a stealth pro-Judonia pressure group in French politics.
After spending about 40 years in Jewish studies and having read most of the primary Zionist and German Nazi literature as well as a tremendous amount of Western, Central and Eastern European fascist literature, I can safely identify Zionism as ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism. The Jabotinskians as ethnic monists are doubtlessly more extreme than right-wing or centralist German Nazis ever were. Labor Zionists like Ben-Gurion or Arlosoroff were and remain comparable to the Strasser faction of left-German Nazis are are therefore very close to normative fascism of an E. European variety. From Long Version: Zionizing Muslims via Interfaith Dialogue Jewish and Zionist groups routinely use terms like Nazi, Fascist, or Hitler to describe Hamas, Fatah, Haniyeh, Abbas, or Ahmedinejad even though none of them have any connection with German Nazi ideology. Not only is the situation completely unfair, but it is also a pure historical political falsification, for Zionism is the one important surviving modern political ideology that has much similarity to German Nazism. The late University of Wisconsin Professor George Mosse lectured at Hebrew University on the common völkisch racist currents of German Nazism and Zionism. I have read practically all the primary literature of both movements. With the obvious ethnic substitutions the ideologies are practically identical with allowances for internal factions. (For example Ben-Gurion and his followers are ideologically most similar to the Straßer faction of the NSDAP.) After Herzl there is probably no figure more important in Political/Congress Zionism than Max Nordau, whose ideas of national degeneracy through race mixing, national revival through racial purity and eugenics were at least as influential among German Nazis as they were among Zionists. Vladimir Jabotinsky's Zionism was initially a form of ethnic fundamentalism and practically identical to Hitler's belief system, but by the 30s it had evolved into a sort of political ethnic monism that was a good deal more extreme than mainstream German Nazism. Because Jabotinskian Zionism is the dominant current of Zionism both among Neoconservatives and also in Israeli politics, properly understanding the true nature of Zionism and its relationship with German Nazism is particularly important from the standpoint of American politics. Because Jabotinsky and his colleague Achimeir like some German Nazi ideologists believed in waging a sort of ethnonational financial warfare against non-Jews or non-Aryans respectively, all Americans should be concerned that Milton Friedman's family were particularly extreme Jabotinskians and should worry that Jabotinskian ideology may have provided the core beliefs that form the basis of Friedman's economic theories.
IF AMERICAN EVERYWHERE WHERE TOLD THE TRUTHS ABOUT SUCH THINGS THAT THE FEW DO THEY WOULD POOP THERE PANTS, BUT THEY KNOW AMERICAN IDOL WINNERS
In order to understand Zionist imperialist colonialism, it is necessary to introduce the concept of the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland or Judonia. During the British Mandatory, Judonia established hityashvuiot (settler-colonies) in Palestine. Today the Zionist state as nominally independent state within the Zionist imperial system establishes its own hitnaheluyot (squatter-colonies) within Occupied Palestine. The Hebrew terminology in the case of settler and squatter colonies is brazenly honest.
Well, they own the buildings, so they're not squatters. Kind of late in the game to call them "invasion zones". The invasion happened 42 years ago. "Imperialist homesteads" doesn't really fit since we aren't talking about an empire or an imperialist government, besides, it sounds too much like something the commies would say. "Settlements" is a neutral term, neither good nor evil. Sorry if calling them by a neutral term doesn't suit your propaganda purposes.
Okay Thom, Merriam-Webster defines "imperialism" thusly: Main Entry: im·pe·ri·al·ism the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas
Actually, I was contemplating two territories, not dozens. West Bank and Gaza. Incorporate the settlements within a few miles of Jerusalem and those that lie within a few miles of the border into Israel, evacuate all the little ones deep in the West Bank. Give the Palestinians non-built-up areas in Israel to equal the parts of the West Bank annexed to Israel. And just to be nice, don't even booby trap the houses left behind.
Just for the record I have to retract my comments above concerning "Jake from Jerusalem." He ultimately *did* respond to my post and informed me that I had misread his earlier comment concerning "betrayal" totally. My mistake; I've apologized to Jake in that other threat, and here's doing it again for repeating my blunder here.
Where's the map? Here's one you can use as a baseline: http://www.imemc.org/attachments/mar2009/westbank... See, I asked you for a map specifically to keep you from weaseling through the issue by statements such as "a few miles". For reasonable values of "few", that would, by the way, mean annexing all of the West Bank. And do you have any idea how many settlers you would want to evacuate?
Squatters in many cases do own their buildings, but in reality squatter is much too kind for the Israeli Zionist living in Stolen or Occupied Palestine. The proper terminology for an Israeli Zionist is not squatter but is racist murderous genocidal invader, interloper, and thief. By Nuremberg Law, Palestinians have every right to blow them up or otherwise kill them, and the Nuremberg judges explicitly reject the characterization of such actions as terrorism. As signatories to the international genocide convention the USA should be aiding Palestinians in the removal or the obliteration of the criminal Zionist conglomeration in Stolen or Occupied Palestine. By giving material support to Zionist terrorism, Thom has violated US anti-terrorism law. He belongs in jail for many decades, and all his assets must be seized.
When I was working in the OT, it was hardly uncommon for the IDF to drive a family out of its home, ransack the place, and then set delayed charges to explode when the family returned. The deaths would then be reported as due to an error in created an explosive device for a terrorist attack. I saw a discussion of this practice in an untranslated Haaretz article, and Shulamit Aloni talked about it on the radio. In any case, hatred against Zionists and Jews, who refuse to condemn Zionism categorically, will increase exponentially until Stolen and Occupied Palestine are returned with compensation to the native Palestinian population. Personally, I am becoming more and more angry at Zionists and Jews, who don't oppose Zionism unequivocally, because of the manipulation of the US government into wasting already at least $5 trillion in maintaining the criminal racist and genocidal Jewish state and thereby ruining the US economy. Jewish Peril: 1933 Versus 2009 Note that the phrase Jewish Peril is both active and passive.
Not all of them. Sahrawi Jews were natives, and then they became Jews. They were never given the chance to be Algerians. I notice you never side with the Jews when some gentiles use them against some other gentiles.
Uh, I would have to see a cite for that about the Nuremberg law, because it sounds like you just pulled it out of your ass. ROFL. As signatories of the genocide convention the USA (and most of the rest of the world) should be stopping the actual genocides going on, like in Darfur. You think instead that the USA should be helping Palestinians murder (obliterate) large numbers of Jews? Irony meter just blew up. Oh, and I much as I hate to mock the mentally disabled (that would be you ThorsProvoni) in America we have something called "Freedom of speech", and that means that I can say what I want in support of Israel and you can blather your insanities freely. Speech in support of isn't "material support".
Well, I'm not much of an artist. How about the one labeled "Map reflecting actual proposal at Camp David? http://www.mideastweb.org/lastmaps.htm As to how many to evacuate, as many as necessary. And no, I would not give them the choice of staying to cause trouble in a new Palestinian state.
ROFL. So you are one of the nutjobs that thinks a secret Jewish conspiracy runs the world? What is your position on the whole, "Jews drink blood" crap? Do you think we have horns too?
Not at all. When was the last time you heard of a Jewish terrorist attack on Germany? There is a difference between remembering the past (which the Jews do) and letting past grudges destroy your future (which the Palestinians do).
To find International Legal permission to blow up Zionists, you need only look up any Nuremberg case in which the defendant tried to claim that he was trying to deal with terrorism or murder. There is a strong parallel between the assassination of Shlomo Argov and that of Reinhard Heydrich as well as in the German Nazi retaliation against Lidice and the Zionist (Jewish Nazi) retaliation against Lebanon. The actual assassins (Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš) eventually committed suicide or died as a result of battle with German Nazi forces. No action was ever taken or even suggested against those that planned or took part in the preparations for the assassination whether they were members of Czechoslovak government in exile (Prozatímní státní zřízení) or members of the British special forces. Just as Gabčík and Kubiš then, any Palestinian today is a hero that kills Zionist officials, soldiers, or participants in Zionist crimes against humanity. Murder Under the Cover of Righteousness is a shorter English language version of an article that I read in Hebrew and that describes planting explosive charges to kill Palestinian families.
I certainly believe Jews are like Germans and the rest of the human race capable of perpetrating crimes against humanity or are like the Poles and Russians perfectly capable of engaging in conspiratorial politics. In contrast Thom apparently believes that Jews are so ethically superior to the rest of the human race that they are incapable of committing crimes against humanity or engaging in political or financial conspiracy. Thom is a racist Jewish Nazi supporter of Zionist terrorism. He belongs in jail under US anti-terrorism law, and all his assets must be seized because of his crimes.
As far as I can tell, material support is so unclear in the case of support for terrorism, that speech supporting Zionist terrorism is quite likely material support, but in any case you have probably take part in a Zionist event at some time or have contributed to some Zionist cause. By the standards of the HLF trial, you definitely belong in jail for at least 65 years: ACLU Misses Zionist Islamophobic Conspiracy.
Save Darfur and related activities constitute a Zionist planned and orchestrated disinformatsia campaign to distract from Zionist terrorism and genocidalism in Stolen and Occupied Palestine as well as from Zionist subversion in the USA: Harvard Book Store: Mamdani, Darfur. There is no genocide in Darfur. There is a well-planned racist Zionist conspiracy to demonize African Arabs, while the red-herring aspect of Darfur activism does constitute material aid. I have no doubt that Ruth Messenger, Gloria White-Hammond, Ken Sweder, Eric Reeves and the whole cast of Zionist Darfur leadership belong in jail for aiding and abetting Zionist terrorism in the ME.
As long as racist Jewish Zionists fling around nonsense labels like Islamofascist, Zionists have no right to complain when Zionism is correctly identified as ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism. Of course, even if Jewish racists, fellow-travelers, and useful idiots were not flinging epithets, Zionism would still belong to the class of Nazi ideologies of Central and Eastern Europe: Jewish Nazism in Public Schools.
Look at the date of the Crémieux decree and who was responsible. French non-Jews in European France and Algeria had no particular desire to make Algerian Jews French and probably would have opposed the Decree if givien a choice (and would have probably been accused of anti-Semitism if they had. Jews whether Saharan or non-Saharan Jewish were enmeshed in French and European Jewish identity long before the concept of an Algerian national identity. European Jews like Cremieux may have made this choice for the Saharans, but it was still made. I discuss the case of Algerian Jews in passing in The Zionism of Gay Politics.
"Well, I'm not much of an artist. How about the one labeled "Map reflecting actual proposal at Camp David?" If you use that as a baseline, no problem. But don't think that this really depicts the proposals at Camp David (it may more or less accurately represent the "this is what you might get after 10 to 25 years promise.) By the way, you still have quite some territory to carve from Israel. Where? So, you are calling for the expulsion of how many Jews from their homes? A hundred thousand? In a timeframe of, shall we say, 12 months? I mean, I am pleasantly surprised if you actually want to give the Palestinians a contiguous West Bank state, but do you seriously believe this is supported by the current Israeli government? Or the Israeli public?
Jews were fully engaged in the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Ostdeutsch populations after WW2. From the standpoint of Zionist ideology Palestinians stand in more or less the same position as Jews do in German Nazi ideology. From the standpoint of Zionist propaganda, which Zionists typically believe with no reservations Palestinians are surrogate German Nazis against whom any form of terrorism or atrocity may be committed. The Gaza Rampage and ongoing Zionist terror attacks still taking place are typical examples. For this reason, it is particularly important for the US government to declare the IDF to be a terrorist organization, so that racist Jewish Zionist terrorism supporters and subversives can be rounded up, charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced to at least 65 years with concomitant seizure of all assets. In addition the fabrication of the Islamofascist threat by racist Jewish Zionist subversives in order to manipulate the US government into incinerating one Arab and Muslim country after another is yet another way for Jewish Zionists to get their jollies from the slaughter of Arabs and Muslims as surrogate German Nazis. See the Redemptive and Scaremonger Narrative subsections in Followup (II): Origins of Modern Jewry.
What color is the sky on your planet Thors? You are entirely bereft of sanity. The Germans mass-murdered the Jews, not the other way around. Are you actually this ignorant, and insane, or are you just hoping other people here are that ignorant and insane?
Yeah, I was right. You can't cite a source for the "law" you pulled out of your ass. Either cite a source or look more like an ass. Vague bullshit like "any Muremberg case in which…" doesn't come close to being a cite. I am not going to go digging through every Nuremberg case looking to disprove a negative. You say there is a precedent that says "Murdering civilians is OK if they are settlers", well prove it pretzel-boy. Not so much a parallel as a perpendicular (thank you John Stewart). Shlomo Argov was an ambassador and Reinhard Heydrich was a mass murderer and one of the planners of the extermination of millions of innocent people. Also, the retaliation against Lidice for Hyedrich's assassination was the destruction of a civilian population while the "retaliation" against Lebanon that you speak of was a war against a military force that was attacking Israelis. Any Palestinian today is a hero to other Palestinians if he murders unarmed children as long as they are Jewish children, or gay, or Christians. Oh, and I love that you cited an anti-Semitic website for your "source" of bombs left in houses. And an article which doesn't actually even say the Israelis ever did that, just "How do you explain…that". How do you explain Muslims in the 3rd century blowing up the Pyramids with napalm"? What, you don't explain it because it never happened? OK.
ROFLMOA. I see, so the accidental killing of a few hundred civilians in a military operation against urban terrorists is a "genocide" because Jews did it, but the deliberate murder of 10s or 100s of thousands in Darfur is not a genocide because Muslims are doing it. Do you actually listen to yourself? Are you really this crazy or are you just trolling?
I wrote that Jews were fully engaged in mass murders of members of Ostdeutsch populations after WW2. There are several good books on the subject including A Terrible Revenge: The Ethnic Cleansing of the East European Germans, 1944-1950, by Alfred-Maurice de Zayas. Both Poland and Lithuania have sought the extradition of alleged Jewish mass murders (including Israeli Holocaust scholar Yitzhak Arad) without success. It is worthwhile to mention that Russian Germans were one of the first populations alienized (ethnically cleansed) by Soviet Ashkenazi leaders during the consolidation of the Soviet Union. Historically, Russian Germans occupied the economic niche that Russian Ashkenazim coveted within Czarist Russia.
In whatever time the logistics require, but no more. The settlements were an idiotic idea. I think the West Bank and Gaza rightfully belong to Israel by right of conquest, but if they wanted to keep them they should have expelled the Palestinians in 1967 when they first captured the land. Since they didn't and since they are likely to have to give it to the Palestinians in exchange for peace, they shouldn't have built throughout the area. On the borders with Israel (and yes, East Jerusalem is part of Israel) is one thing, but too far to make annexation possible without chopping up the West Bank is quite another. They chose to build there, knowing that a peace deal could turn it over to the Palestinians. Let them move. Which is not to say let them move just so a new terrorist theocracy can be built. Land for peace is ok. Land for "kill you later Israel" is not.
Again I ask, are you really as crazy as your posts, or just pretending? We aren't talking about whether individuals are capable of things. I'm capable of learning to play the piano, but someone who says I am a piano player is nuts. We are talking about whether you believe that there is presently a Jewish conspiracy rulling the world. That is a crazy idea. I notice you dodged the issue of whether you believe that rather than saying "yes" or "no" to whether you believe that.
Oh, and you didn't answer what your position is on whether Jews drink people's blood.
I simply don't have the Nuremberg transcripts in my library although I have read about 80% of them. The Germans sent settlers into E. Europe (mostly Poland and Bohemia as I remember). These settlers (and native Ostdeutsch populations) were subjected to attacks by the resistance. No resistance member or member of the Polish or Czech governments in exile were ever charged or tried for such actions, which were all held to be completely legitimate in findings of fact by the Nuremberg Tribunal judges. Argov was an agent of a government that routinely engages in terrorism, in mass murder and genocide — more so than Nazi Germany when Heydrich was assassinated. Take a look at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holoc... . The critical section goes from "As violence against Jews grew with Kristallnacht in 1938" to "Meanwhile, Heydrich's condition deteriorated and he died on June 4." It states:
Yet it is really talking about the Polish resistance in which members of my family fought and were killed. I looked over the primary source documents from this period. Jews were far from prominent in the minds of senior German officials except as communists. It is anachronistic to talk about extermination camps before the Wannsee Conference. If he had been involved in any mass killing between Jan. 20 and May 27, don't you think the article would have mentioned it? He was not. As despicable as Heydrich may be in terms of his ideas, his crimes are not much different from those of many Israeli officials, whose hands are often much bloodier. Lebanon was not involved in any way with the Argov assassination nor was the PLO. It had been an Abu-Nidal operation, and the Lebanese border had been quiet for at least 11 months before the assassination, which served as an excuse for the Zionist government to try to move the border up to the Litani, where Zionist leaders had always thought it should be. Counterpunch is not an anti-Semitic website, and the author was former MK Shulamit Aloni. By the standards of the WW2 resistance to the Nazis blowing up an Israeli Zionist anywhere in Stolen or Occupied Palestine is a genuinely good deed that should be applauded by all decent people everywhere.
Unlike you but like Mahmood Mamdani I have actually been in Darfur. There was a period a mass killing related to a complex E-W N-S civil war, but it was over before SaveDarfur geared up. Jewish Zionist racists and propagandists saw a great opportunity to demonize African Arabs, but their claims have no connection to the facts, and I recommend that you take a look at Saviors and Survivors by Mamdani if you are unwilling to take a look at my blog entries which are in some cases based in taking part in the inner councils of Boston Jewish Darfur activism.
BTW, Mamdani puts mortality last year in Darfur at 1200 including disease and starvation. That is less than the Gaza Rampage, which is part of the ongoing Zionist program of slow genocide to which former MK Shulamit Aloni referred.
Obviously the Zionists do not rule the world, but the Israel Lobby acting as the public face of Judonia has rendered the USA an intimidated and dependent client state. How else can we explain Obama's consignment of economic policy to a crew of extremely Zionist but generally incompetent economists, who should mostly be in jail for financial malfeasance: Greg Mankiw's Blog: Marty leaves AIG. Anyway, those who run an imperial system, whether American or Zionist, want the system to run smoothly and provide the principals with wealth, power, status and security, which are obviously the goals of the hyperwealthy Zionist political economic oligarchs and the associated Zionist intelligentsia.
I think you are asking a question about ritual murder and witchcraft. I have certainly run across various Jewish groups that practice magic rituals including black candles and ritual curses, which all usually belong to the category of witchcraft. Mendel Beylis is the most recent Jew accused of ritual murder, and he was exonerated by a jury of Ukrainian peasants — so much for bloodthirsty Ukrainian anti-Semitism. At the same time two Siberians were convicted of engaging in ritual murder, and ritual murder seems to have been a problem for the Czarist Empire. Blood rituals, seers, seeress, and witchcraft seem to have been fairly common among medieval Jews. Ariel Toaff has argued that Jews have engaged in ritual murder as late as the 15th century: http://www.israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf . As other groups were known to have practiced witchcraft and ritual murder in parts of Italy in this time frame, there is no reason to rule out the possibility that Jews did so as well.
Oh, you're Polish? Real range of attitudes among Poles. Some are extremely enlightened and modern, some are the worst medieval anti-Semites you'll ever meet. I mean "Jew's have horns" level of ignorance. I guess you fall into the latter category. And, no, it's talking about the extermination of Jews. What part of "coordinating the deportation of European Jews" didn't you understand? Heydrich chaired the Wannsee conference and personally ordered the arrest of Jews in particular, not communists, Jews and the sending of those Jews to the death camps. Are you adding "Holocaust denier" to your resume? Yacov Bar-Simantov was assassinated by the "Lebanese Armed Revolutionary Fraction" in April of 1982. If that is your idea of "quiet" I would hate to have you as a "quiet" neighbor. Counterpunch is the premier stomping grounds of self-hating Jews. You would be hard pressed to find a prominent anti-Semitic Jew that hasn't been published in or lauded by Counterpunch. The resistance to the Nazis primarily targeted military targets, not civilians. To the extent they targeted civilians they were committing war crimes. However, as President Obama has demonstrated by ignoring Bush (and co.) war crimes, war crimes apparently only get punished if you lose the war.
Why do you keep putting up dead links?
Well, apparently the program of slow genocide isn't going very well since the Palestinians have one of the shortest population doubling times in the world (about 18 years). Israel has the firepower to wipe out the Palestinians, but instead the Palestinians under the Israelis have incredibly fast population increases. What that says to anyone who isn't insane is that Israel isn't trying to exterminate the Palestinians. What does it say to you?
Yup, blood libel. You really do hit all the anti-Semitic nutjob targets don't you.
As other groups were known to have practiced witchcraft and ritual murder in parts of Italy in this time frame, there is no reason to rule out the possibility that Jews did so as well. But you, Thom, feel there is reason to do so?
You wrote? Oopsie. You seem to have outed yourself as posting here under two different names. It is also worth mentioning that your post is a steaming pile of crap. Typical anti-Semite, you'd blame the Jews for a rainy day. Or in this case, things done not by the Jews but by the Soviets. Poland and Lithuania (those bastions of non-corrupt government) want to extradite Yitzhak Arad because he documented their war crimes. Falsely accusing him is just their way of trying to draw attention from themselves. And as for the book you mentioned, the description of it on wikipedia doesn't say anything about Jews, just Soviets, Poles, Czechs, hungarians, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terrible_Revenge
As a response to a question about the blood libel, his equivocation is an obvious dodge to avoid saying that he believes the blood libel while still accusing the Jews of the blood libel.
I will go back and check the book, for I have a copy in my library, but as I remember practically all the Soviets involved were ethnic Ashkenazi as well as some of the protagonists identified with other citizenship.
There is a bug in the IntenseDebate software for which my scripts do not compensate perfectly. Here is the correct hyperlink: ACLU Misses Zionist Islamophobic Conspiracy.
Jewish population grew under German Nazi rule between 1933 and 1940 even though Nazi Germany desperately wanted to get rid of this population. Israeli Zionists are without a doubt racist murderous genocidal invaders, interlopers, and thieves even if the Zionist (ethnic Ashkenazi Nazi) program has yet to succeed.
And shrank precipitously after that. Though not to zero as you would like it to have. In any case, as usual, yours is a bullshit analogy. We aren't talking about a few years while a regime grows in power. The Palestinians have been crying "genocide" for 40 years now. I'll do you one better. The Palestinian population increased during the Gaza war. How freakin' incompetent would you have to be at genocide to have people you could easily wipe out in 27 days increase their population in the 27 days you are attacking them. Let's face it, if you can't succeed at exterminating a population while you are actually attacking the areas they are in, with enough men and weapons to to the job several times over, then only a crazy person would think you are trying to exterminate them. Which brings us to your complete lack of touch with reality. If reality called you, it would be a long distance call.
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