Months ago I declared that Gaza had cracked the Israel lobby. It did so by causing non-affiliated Jews to at last speak out about Israel/Palestine policy. These Jews had traditionally ceded the foreign-policy turf to their pro-Israel cousins (as I did, deferring politely to Marty Peretz out of the stupid guilty feeling that he was a better Jew than I was) till they realized that their cousins were nuts.
The Israel lobby is slowly waking up to the new landscape, and blaming anyone but the real culprit: a state practicing Jim Crow with millions of Palestinians under occupation and promoting a policy of permanent war with its neighbors.
The latest evidence of the lobby's puzzlement is a highly-tendentious piece by Gary Rosenblatt in the Jewish Week about "Whispered Worries About Obama" that–while poohpoohing the settlements and feeding suspicion about Obama– states that the body of American Jewry is with Obama, even if the "mainstream supporters of Israel and Jewish causes" (i.e. Jewish chauvinists) are against him.
Leaders
of American Jewish organizations note an unease among mainstream supporters of Israel and Jewish causes… who say they voted for and admire Barack Obama and support many of his policies, but feel he is being overly critical of Israel and too soft on the Palestinians and on an Iranian regime bent on developing nuclear weapons that could end up aimed at the Jewish state…
An interview with Malcolm Hoenlein follows. The third paragraph, which I've emphasized, is the plum in the pudding:
he told me the other
day that "judging from phone calls" he has received, and other
responses, "there is an increasing unease" about a number of the Obama
administration’s recent statements and actions.
Those include… the public pressure on Israel to
halt settlements — as if they represented the key to peace rather than
the Palestinians’ consistent refusal to recognize a Jewish state in the
region — and the lack of specific demands on the Palestinians; and the
concern that the president is still determined to engage in dialogue
with Iran, despite the regime’s brutal behavior following national
elections last month.
..[I]s the gap growing between
leaders of mainstream Jewish organizations and the majority of American
Jews, more than three-quarters of whom voted for Obama, support a
two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian crisis and may well agree
that settlements are a hindrance to peace?
More evidence of the same trend. Here's Jennifer Rubin fulminating at Commentary, and calling on the "sliver" of American Jewry that agrees with her:
Where is the outrage in the U.S. — especially among the 78% of Jews
who voted for Obama? Where are the major Jewish institutions that in
the past offered rhetorical and political support for a vibrant
pro-Israel policy? Yes, Marty Peretz is pretty peeved these days, but
an irate column or two from a previously enthusiastic Obama defender
are less than what one would expect when Washington decides to launch
this sort of policy. One wonders what those offering themselves as
official representatives of the American Jewish community and friends
of Israel think they are accomplishing by their relative silence.
The sliver of American Jewry originally wary of Obama who had warned
of just this result is outraged, but not surprised.
"blaming anyone but the real culprit: a state practicing Jim Crow with millions of Palestinians under occupation and promoting a policy of permanent war with its neighbors."
Jim Crow never had to worry about his children being murdered in their sleep. Israelis do. Jim Crow didn't place the entire non-Muslim world into the House of War, Dar al-Islam. The Arabs at war with Israel do.
Is Israel promoting a policy of war? Tell me exactly why the Arab nations can't normalize relations with Israel without preconditions? The Arab Muslim nations don't have any problem with Africans with Arab features raping and murdering their darker skinned neighbors in Darfur.
The comparison is grotesque and provides a window at how far removed from reality you are, Weiss.
Have you thought that, perhaps, those actions are a direct response to the physical and psychological oppression that successive Israeli governments have inflicted on Palestinians?
Have you paid attention that the Arab Peace Plan floated SEVERAL times over the past several years entirely accept an Israel with full normalized relations based on 1967 lines, based on recognizing the right of return (which, as we all know, is about establishing that Palestinians have that right, and then they are willing to settle for compensation), and based on an East Jersusalem to serve as a capital of Palestine. That isn't 'pre conditons'…that is stating the terms of peace directly –> something which successive Israeli governments have also been constantly vague about.
You complain about preconditions, yet you somehow forget that the current Israeli Govt is screaming 'They must recognize we are a Jewish State only…because that will pave the way for the 'transfer' [ie: explusion] of our 20% Israeli Arab Population'
By the way, ingenious to connect all the populations in the middle east, as if the peoples of the arab nations are somehow purposely quiet about Darfur, or that they don't care at all. You've talked to them, right?
If you will bring up groups such as the Arab League – you would be wise to remember that these are representative of the governments. In case you haven't noticed, most governments are dictatorships looking to play their people. These same governments pay lip service to the Palestinian cause.
Israel, while being a democracy for Jews, effectively plays it people as well using fear and keeping them in a perpetual state of war so as to attempt to rationalize their conquest of more Palestinian Territory. It is politics, stupid.
Have I thought that Arab mass murdering, suicide bombings, crushing the skulls of little girls, ripping lost reserve police officers apart with their bare hands, befriending teenage hikers and killing them when their backs are turned, shooting into the womb of pregnant women, executing toddlers strapped to their car seats, sneaking into homes late at night and riddling an infant lying in its crib full of bullet holes, and then glorifying those actions from top to bottom of Arab society? Have I thought any of that is a direct response to something the Jews have done? For about a billionth of a second. Then reality and critical thinking slams home.
When you describe Israelis "inflicting" damage and trauma on Arabs you are being deceitful. What was the cause of the Arabs murdering Jews in the 20s, 30s, and 40s before the state of Israel was reconstituted? Did Arabs go on a rampage killing Jews in Hebron because of some brutality inflicted on them? Should we treat our immigrants that way just because we don't like them? I know that supremacist groups with the exact same mentality as the Arab Muslims, the KKK and Neo Nazis would if they could get away with it.
The question is, why do you and others cheer for hatred? Why do you side with supremacist hate groups? If you claim that they have a reason to hate because Jews stole their land, you better start explaining why nobody knew it was their land for 19 years while other Arab Muslims were in possession of it. We only here that the Arabs are under occupation since the Jews arrived. When Arab Muslims control the land it is just fine.
You think I am making this up? In 1964 the Arabs drafted a Charter to legitimize their movement. That was three years before the 1967 "lines" as you put it were changed. In that charter it states clearly in article 24 that…"This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields." Don't believe me, go to the Permanent Observer Mission of the Palestine to the United Nations web site and read it yourself. In 1964 they had no interest in "any territorial sovereignty" in the parts of the region you blindly accept is the reason they are killing Jews over!!! It is disgusting and revolting beyond words that a cottage industry of deception, perhaps self deception as sprung up to demonize the Jewish people. Read it yourself, also note how many times the Arab race is mentioned. It is not much of a stretch to imagine the KKK supremacist group creating a document just like it…
http://www.un.int/palestine/about.shtml
I am very well aware that the Muslims world has offered to normalize relations with Israel if it accepts suicidal demands. But let;s agree that they are demands and not "rights". There is no such thing as a right of return, If all billion plus Muslims stated it a hundred times a day like a mantra, and all the oil dependent socialist nations willing to sell their very souls for a few more barrels agreed with them, it would still not make it so. There is nothing binding in international law that states Israel must allow any non-Israeli citizens into the country. Further, even if Israel were to allow Arabs in to Israel, and they have allowed 150k plus in already under the Family Reunification Program, the number that are actually refugees are very small if they follow international acceptable standards of defining who is and who is not a refugee. There is no precedent in human history where no private property was lost, no need exists, residence had to only be as little as two years before becoming dislocated, and refugee status is passed on to those born in other countries regardless of status. The Arabs calling themselves Palestinians are the most pampered refugees in human history, the Jews have long been the objects of hatred, and it is because of this and politics that the farce has gone on this long.
As to Netanyahu making idiotic statements. I am sorry, when you are the one under attack there are prerequisites for peace to have a chance, none of the Arab states are under attack by Israel. They withhold peace for political reasons only. Normalization is within their power to grant and even in their own best interest. Specifically, the comment about accepting Israel as a Jewish state…I am not a Jew, but until the Jews are no longer threatened with genocide and their very existence, I support a Jewish state free from outside pressure and coercion to handle its own self survival in a manner of its own choosing. Weiss, and others seem to take exception to this, while claiming to be the voice of humanity. How is this possible I ask? Only if you engage in massive cognitive dissonance do you ignore the brutality, bigotry, and violence of those you whore yourself out for.
Lastly, you seem to be incapable of allowing others to take responsibility for their own actions. You are constantly blaming others and making excuses for them on the one hand while holding Israel to a dishonest and impossibly high standard. The Muslim dictators are all touchy feely with Omar al-Bashir, they warmly embrace his every effort, yet all you can do is point out that they are deceiving their people as a weak excuse for supporting genocide? Do you have any sense of shame?
The ADL’s Foxman says, "What troubles me most is a lack of consultation and the need [for the administration] to do things publicly. There’s a [U.S.-Israel] relationship of 60 years and all of a sudden they’re treating Israel like everyone else. I find that disturbing." Waaaaaaaa
Abe prefers private secret deals in the dark of night. Too much light tends to sanitize and disinfect, clarify and expose. I sure wouldn't mind seeing the lobby in slivers. A lot of small slivers, flayed off slowly and painfully. Death by a thousand cuts, self-inflicted of course. And they WILL bring it about, by their obtuseness and obstinance. PM
Your really grasping at straws. There is diverse opinion among the pro Israel community. If someone writes an article worrying that Obama is not sufficiently pro israel, so what? There were people who wrote about that Bush wasn't pro Israel enough.
'The lobby now admits it is a 'sliver,' unrepresentative of majority of American Jews' tell that to the ass licking congress….its not how many you are but how much money you control that is pertinent. You think US is a democracy!?
Gee, imagine: Obama regime is discussing foreign policy regarding Israel in public! Obama regime is treating Israel like everyone else after only 60 years of spoiling Israel rotten! My, my, my–what's next? No more fat allowance for the little bully? Less expensive snacks at nighttime? Make Israel mow the lawn?
saw this article by Phil on TCM: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/01/i... and noticed the following: 'After the story was near completion, a new editor was called in to review it because, I was told, Hezbollah had a history of inviting reporters to Lebanon and controlling their agenda' The irony here is blatant….The american (?) 'free' press refusing to publish anything not demonic about Hezbollah, while claming hezbollah censors news!!!!
Hezbollah is a resistance organization w/ nothing to resist, they are a sham. And you ppl defend them just because they are against Israel. Before 9/11 Hezbollah was responsible for more US deaths via terrorism than any other organization. But I guess Israel was responsible for 9/11 and probably the bombings of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon too. Oh crap I forgot global warming!
Hezbollah began as a resistance organization that now have a legitimate political arm. They are Lebaanon's only legitimate defense force. They are a nationalistic movement that were formed by those with a desire to drive out Israel's occupation. You're just sour because Heabollah had defeated Israel both times, even though they were outnumbered and vastly outgunned. They've made a mockery of the cowardly IDF, who are only tough when fighting a defenseless population.
The Israel Lobby, which is the public face of the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland, only serves the Jewish plutocracy and the associated intelligentsia. Even though Brandeis created a form of Zionism called Refugeeism, which provided less wealthy American Ashkenazim with the fiction of participation, sanctuary was never a very important role for the State of Israel, whose true purpose amounts to serving as the keystone or linchpin for corrupt Jewish social networks in the ongoing effort to loot the economy more efficiently: Makdisi Overlooks US Journalistic Nazification.
Hezbollah was resisting the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon. No one buys into your blatant LIES, Yoni.
Pooh pooh, you're just sour because your Iranian-backed suicidal friends just lost the elections.
<img src="http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2007/12/r... Hmmm. No preview. Oh Well. I am currently working on a long post about why the PLO recognizes the state of Israel, but refuses to meet Olmert's demand for formal recognition of Israel as a "Jewish state"; and about the hysterical response that the PLO's refusal has provoked among some of the Usual Friends Of Israel™. While I was working on it this afternoon, I came across a document in the U.S. National Archives (click image left to enlarge), that I thought deserved a mention in its own right. The document is from 14 May 1948. The context is that the Zionist government has proclaimed a "Jewish state" in Palestine, and is seeking U.S. recognition of that state. The document is President Harry S. Truman's response to that request. The interesting thing is that the original text of the document is edited with hand-written corrections, to produce the wording finally approved by Truman. And the purpose of the editing is specifically to remove the suggestion that the U.S. recognizes a "Jewish state", and to clarify that it recognizes instead the "state of Israel". How about that: the United States was asked in 1948 to recognize the "Jewish state", but offered recognition instead to the "state of Israel". Just as the PLO does today. So why exactly is it uncontroversial when we do it, but an obstacle to peace when they do it? http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2007/12/r...
Except there was no occupation to resist in 2006, as acknowledged by the UN security council. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Histo...
But, that is long past.
And, as a militia, they are an ILLEGITIMATE defense force. The never "defeated" Israel. They just weren't wiped out.
And Hezbollah hasn't done anything condemnable since.
It is legitimate when the national army is unable to protect the state from an invasion. I suppose you think the US militias in the War of Independence were illegitimate too?
It was impossible for them to win the elections anyway, seeing as Lebanon's sectarian system means that the Sunnis will always be a majority, with them having the Prime Ministerial post, the Christians having the Presidency and the Speaker being a Shiite. Hizbollah and its allies won the popular vote, which says a lot more about the elections than the actual resuly
Ahh, Witty, the desperate hasbara man. I guess when Ehud Barad pulled the IOF out of Lebanon in 2000 with its tail between its legs, that was just a "strategic withdrawal," right? Then in 2006, when the Israeli blitzkrieg was unable to advance to the Litani River and sieze it, that was just a "tactical choice." Two tries, two defeats. Zionism is doomed. As a Zionist, you're just like a KKK member. Always promoting Jewish Supremacism, but never cognizant of the facts.
You know it's time for American Jews to stand up when you have American Rabbis saying things that you'd normally expect from the Taliban or Al-Qaeda: "I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)." – Rabbi Manis Friedman
No, Phil is right. The majority of Americans no longer support Israel's ethnic cleansing. When a majority of American Jews no longer support apartheid, then the Likudniks have to get with the program and agree to peace, no matter how painful it is to give up the dream of a Greater Israel.
Obama cracked the right-wing portion and rationalization of the Israel Lobby. That and the election of Netanyahu. Gaza was a straw, that Hamas contributed to materially.
Too bad Strahl, it's true. Hezbollah was created during the 18 year Israel occupation of Southern Lebanon. The Leabone army had given up and laid down their wepoans so a number of fighters took it upon themselves to resits and drive out the Israelis, which they did. That is why Israel werre so determined to destroy them in 2006, but as we saw, no IDF soldiers had the guts to face them.
"link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
As we saw in 2006 and 2008/2009, the US will only endorse a ceasefire or withdrawl when Israel agrees to it. In 2006, Israel only agreed to a ceasfirw when their casualties became too high and they had no chance of winning.
States are allowed to conduct their defence in whatever way they wish – according to the laws of war and not according to the laws of Richard Witty. It is highly unusual for a country to have a standing army that is not an army of the state. Usually when this happens we think in terms of civil war. In this case, it appears that they are tolerated by Lebanon – and after the last election – more than tolerated. You may not like it – and it may very well be a very bad idea in the long run, but too bad. They are legitimate. It is up to Lebanon to decide how best to protect themselves.
I couldn't give a crap about Lebanese elections. You're just sour becasue Hebollah kicked Israel's ass TWICE.
51% of Israslis disagre with you Richard. Israel's plan wa to destroy Hebollah, but were forced to withdraw from Souther Lebanon in humiliation. Israel were definitely defeated.
American's NEVER supported ethnic cleansing. Jews living in Jewish towns that WERE THEMSELVES ETHNICALLY CLEANSED BY CRAZED MUSLIMS MASS MURDERERS are not doing any "ethnic cleansing". There have NEVER IN HISTORY been so many Muslims and Arabs within the borders of Israel as today. The only ethnic cleansing in the Middle East is pracficed – and has always been practiced – by Arab Muslims. That the Hussein-Obama administration seems to be supporting this should be a worry to so-called "Human Rights Acticvists". This is where Hussein-Obama will lose his popularity. Just watch.
You know nothing about IDF soldiers. You may not know much about your buddies in Hezbolla, either….
The Lebanese army did not fail in keeping Israel out, it failed in not keeping Hezbollah out. The same thing happened with Yasser Arafat's PLO. Hezbollah are terrorists by every definition. Their actions are not legitimate. Your arguments are baseless.
Tolerated? Like a rape victim "tolerates" the act?
Err…you do know that Hezbollah is a Lebanese organisation and was formed as a direct reaction to Israel's invasion and the Lebanese army's failure to keep the Israelis out. This is not an argument I'm making, it's a fact.
No, like we tolerate you and your racist rants on this blog
That's what I love about the Saudi Arabia and the Islamist lobby, lol – everything they do is for the good of mankind AND all in the light of day — Allahu Akhbar!!! ALLAHU AKHBAR!!!!
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"Jewish State" is the somewhat inaccurate translation of the Herzlian term Judenstaat. Judenstaat should be contrasted with Rechtstaat. From Appeals board won't reopen deportation case of alleged Nazi guard Demjanjuk – The Boston Globe:
You are one sick freak!! fresh Ziocaine is on its way, choke on it!
–The Islamists, the Pali leadership and many in the Muslim/Arab world want the end of Israel. They can't tolerate the tiny "sliver" of a Jewish State among 57 Islamic states and want to ethnically cleanse Israel from Jews. –The Jews are divided as to what they want. ———The fringe anti-Zionist left like Weiss, Horowitz, Berkowitz & Klein hypercriticize Israel and whitewash Pali atrocities. ———The Israeli and Jewish Zionist left the hell out of the West Bank. ———The center, including Kadima and Labour, want to keep the settlement blocks containing most of the settlers but are prepared to trade other lands for real peace. ———The right does not want to allow a Palestinian state to emerge, even if demilitarized. All, except for the mondo-Weiss fringe are united in requiring an end of conflict and the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. Netanyahu is a centrist, though he campaigned on the right. In his response to Obama’s Cairo speech, he demanded recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and was prepared to accept a demilitarized Palestinian state. He also demanded that Jerusalem be part of Israel and that Israel have defensible borders.
Great – hopefully Congress and White house will snow stop ass licking the oil-slicked turd-filled Saudi lobby too — and all the ISlamists terror groups it enables.. waa waa waa waa habbi wahabbi wahabbi
lol, just asked Southern Lebanese about how great a job Hizbollah did "kicking ass' – in between their whining for "humanitarian aid" and assisnations….
Ah "matter" the desperate slimy anti-Semite – comparing the movement for a Jewish homeland to the racist KKK and presumably ignoring the honor killing racist hatred and terror flowing from ISlamists…. yawn…….just another anti-Semite, sorry, I mean "anti-Zionist", lol
Yes, ask all the whining crying Southern Lebanese about the great humiliation of Israel —- this is the same Orwellian blather that we saw in Gaza – week after Hamas's defeat and Gaza in shambles – Hamas typically conducted "victory parades" – also reminds us of Nasser and his Arab bluster- —- when Islamists and Arabs start bloviating about Israel's humiliation and defeat – you know they are hurting bad…lol
Abbas: Hamas Hoarding Weapons in PDefiant Iranian Opposition Leaders Refuse to Accept Ahmadinejad Government – Thomas Erdbrink Three opposition leaders including leading presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, former speaker of parliament and presidential candidate Mehdi Karroubi, and former president Mohammad Khatami openly defied Iran's top political and religious authorities Wednesday, vowing to resist a government they have deemed illegitimate after official certification of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's reelection. They called for annulment of the June 12 vote and the continuation of protests. The three made clear that they do not oppose Iran's system of religious government, but they charged that the country is turning into a dictatorship. (Washington Post)lot to Assassinate PA Officials – Ali Waked
Is the claim that there isn't as much support for Israel as there used to be within the Jewish community, or that there never was much support for Israel within the Jewish community?
There was a similar article in the WSJ by Alan Dirtbag lamenting the fact jews voted for Obama….and asking when the US was goiing to attack Iran and save the Jews. Is Israel worth saving in it's current state?
Among the Jews I know none of them have ever visitied Israel and aren't attached to it. They are jews in as Judism is their religion. But then I live in the south where they aren't the large concentrations of Jews and they have to intergrate into the community to have any kind of wider life. I think in cities/areas where you have large concentrations of Jews is where they form and stick to a kind of gehtto society reinforcing their seperateness from the "others" society so they make each other more fanatically Jewish and pro Israel right or wrong.
Is the cesspool of Gaza worth saving?? lol — how about dozens of Muslim countries where women are ganag raped, non-Islamists are persecuted and mosques are blown up and innocents butchered in the name of Allah — are they worth saving? what is "worth saving"?
Here's an interesting 'what if ' for the Lukid zionist among us. Imagine that if in 1948 the jews had been given, say part of Virginia or Maryland as their homeland for the establishment of a Jewish State and they undertook the same actions as they have in Palestine. How long would they have lasted? Would there be any jews left alive? I think not. The zionist would have been one of the shortest footnotes in history.
I didn't know that cockroaches could type.
Notice that Holocaust guilt does not extend to giving away The White's Man's land.
Israeli lefty double dipping, lol http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/...
Alan Dershowitz wrote a nearly identical editorial in the Wall Street Journal today. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12464936687548320... Seems like both are parroting the same talking points. From above "Many American supporters of Israel who voted for Barack Obama now suspect they may have been victims of a bait and switch" "A majority of American-Jewish supporters of Israel, as well as Israelis, do not favor settlement expansion. Thus the Obama position on settlement expansion, whether one agrees with it or not, is not at all inconsistent with support for Israel. It may be a different position from that of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but it is not a difference that should matter to most Jewish voters who support both Mr. Obama and Israel."
Here's an interesting what if – imagine if Jews called continued calling themselves Palestinians after 1948 – what phony identity would the ISlamists have come up in order to grab the land from the Jews ? "Israelis" lol
So MonodWeiss parrots the anti-Israel talking points of the best plai propagandists — yawn
Alan Dershowitz's editorial is misleading. He implies Obama has done a bait and switch. In fact, Obama's policy of halting settlements is completely consistent with the views of the majority of Americans and American Jews. In addition, his policy is consistent with statements made by every American president during the last 40 years and with the current US governement legal opinion which says the settlements are illegal.
Thanks Edwin2 for finding and posting Truman's letter.
Welcome to Nazi Germany.
The 'settlement freeze' is a nonsense, unless it's applied full-heartedly, and then followed by a full withdrawal from existing settlements. All of them are illegal, including the Israeli-defined 'illegal outposts. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to allow fully-fortified cities to be built on other peoples' land. Sometime (and not too far away) these monstrosities will be visited by tourists, as Crusader castles are today. But perhaps even their remains will not last too long- I get the feeling that corrupt contractors have been cheating on the cement content of their 'Ideal Homes' for Orthodox and Mizrahi Israelis.
The settlements should NOT be evacuated. The should be blown to bits with the Nazi occupants inside.
The cockroach is laughing again.
You would think that someone visiting this site would know that vile racism won't fly. I am utterly intolerant of people who choose to make themselves the moral equivalent of cockroaches by polluting this blog.
If they had called themselves and everyone else living there Palestinian then there probably would be peace today in a binational Palestine.
Light, you are interferring with his preemptive moral outrage.
Even more Dersh irony: He accuses Obama of dishonesty for refusing to continue the dishonest practice of having contradictory public and private policy positions with Israel. Remember Abram's claim of "secret understandings" between Israel and the USG?
They are not Nazis. They are Croatians and Serbs. They are not exterminationalist. They are ethnic cleansers.
In some cases, I believe that they do not "choose" in that they are completely unaware.
We are a republic. There is a difference. Americans do not directly vote on any federal laws or policies. Our founding fathers deliberately designed the federal government to have multiple layers shielding authority from influence from common people. Our political history is one of a gradual weakening of these barriers and increasing responsiveness to the desires of the majority of the population. Federal senators were appointed by state legislators until the 17th Amendment in 1913. Obviously our government is only partially responsive, and citizens in our system serve as more a safety valve for bad governance than as active political contributors, intervening to oust incompetents who screw up badly enough to affect their lives. Publicly financed campaigns are the next improvement, but will be a long time in coming because the Lobby, and every other lobby, relies on money for political influence and will fight it tooth and nail. Also, we need to oust the electoral college that elects our president. Neither of these are likely to happen soon. Which states in the world have citizens vote directly on law and policy? If I recall correctly, Switzerland's citizens vote directly on defense appropriations, and there may be a few others. However, the reality is that republics, not democracies, are the norm. Several European governments supported the Iraq stupidity in spite of majority opposition from their citizens. Our flaws are not unique, and our system of governance, while recognizing its flaws and working to improve them, is still something to be proud of.
I agree. Hyperbole only brings discredit to your arguments. They are guilty of ethnic cleansing, not mass murder, and your call for killing them is utterly unwarranted and despicably immoral. Are their children guilty of capital crimes? Get a grip guy, your choice of words makes you look far worse than them.
There aren't many Jews in the area of the South where I live now, but the synagogues that I know of are vocal in their support of Israel. I'm from Atlanta, and I never got the impression that many in the local Jewish community (mostly transplants) were particularly opposed to Israel.
It's clear "kelly" does not care about theft of native land and enforced slow death of the natives. Kelly is arguing that just because Jews like to make it hard to join their group, or because of the fact most people don't want to join their group, the rest of the world should allow the Jews to do what they want with any people they obtain power over.
Israel has no oil–it hardly has water except what it steals in abundance from the Palestinian natives. Americans should look at their needs, not Israel's. Not to mention in view of what they have done to the natives and considering Nuremberg, it's the double right thing to do.
to be clear, what the Israelis have done to the natives, with the immense help of the American Jews, and at the expense of American Goys.
Hizbolla didn't kick ass, they won because they didn't get their ass kicked. And they are armed, election or no election. They still win. How is anyone going to beat an opponent militarily when the opponent is armed to the teeth with FREE not-even-a-shipping-fee state of the art weapons and also doesn't hesitate to fight dirty with illegal dirty weapons. Humanitarian AID my arse. The U.S. owes it. With the economy in mind, I always wonder what kind of sense does it make for the U.S. to send aid and weapons to Israel to destroy the property of others, and then to have to turn around and pay to clean it up and rebuild. I don't get it.
Like the times of the demolishment of the first and second jewish temples in ancient times. So why does Israel pretend things are different, eh, Witty?
Yes we do. They'd be useless in the Battle Of The Bulge. They're just punks loaded with US weapons against tossed stones.
no such thing as an illegitimate defense force in that region unless it's attached to the name "Israel." Who do you people think you are anyway.
Easy, US congress people are whores. The pimps are AIPAC peeps. If you are suggesting the American people are getting screwed, you are right. Thank the MSM. Check out who owns it.
Considering the arrayed power help, that was a win against Israel.
kelly all that crap happens here and everywhere I don't even want to get into the Israeli Jewish crime rings and what's going on with that so how again does that letimitize the position of the immoral state of Israel? Gaza is worth saving because they are legitimate people of Palestine and the Arab world. It is legitimate, the people are legitimate ….saving it is the right thing to do and that's enough said.
excuse my typos please.
I don't understand what you are saying. The Jews did continue to call themselves Palestinians after 1948 up to this very day they do it. Want some sources? What are you talking about grabbing land from Jews? The Jews were already there with all their other Arab neighbors.
that's rather harsh, isn't it fair to drop them leaflets first like the Israelis do with about a 3 second head start to duck and cover?
This is true. Anybody can see a photo of Truman's holographic correction indicating he only agreed to a state called Israel, as he distinguished by his holographic correction against a "Jewish state." Just go to the Truman library archives online.
Truman's recognition of the state of Israel excluded by holographic correction a Jewish state. What say, Witty about that?
Gee, Lieberman, both of them would identify, both the US senator and the Israeli leader.
It's the same all over the USA. Jews are always quick to agree to human rights everywhere, but they are silent when it comes to Palestinians. That's the rule of thumb.
"grab the land from the jews?" LOL. You really are evil crazy. Pick up a book, dufis.
Yes…their children are guilty. Absolutely. You can watch them on youtube trying to hit elderly Arab women in the head with rocks and terrorizing people day and night. What do I care about israeli children, who are already in training to join the IDF and blow up innocent people's homes? To HELL with the children of Israel. Let's can the sentimentality.
The people who dream of, and support regimes, of genocide are worth saving/ Only if you are a racist hate monger. Which must be Michelle. Some how michelle decided that the truth is meaningless.
No. I say let the racist hate mongers, michelle and lovely, have their way. Of course, that means their particular continued lifespan could be measured in seconds…
Yawn Please re-read the story about the boy who cried wolf.
That movement was racist because it was always going to pick someone else's homeland and Herzl made it explicitly clear establishing Euro-supremacy over the existing people was the goal. What the heck is 'honor killing racist hatred', are you now saying Muslims intermarry and kill their wives out of racism?
Let's put it like this: Israel occupied South Lebanon twice, in 1978 and 1982. The latter time they held Lebanon up to the Litani river for three years (one of which they held Beirut) before pulling back to the "security zone." Back then, the Lebanese were defenseless. In 2006, Israel invaded Lebanon again and did not occupy it. Diagnosis: ass kicked.
"Where is the outrage in the U.S. — especially among the 78% of Jews who voted for Obama?" Well, it's not outrage they're feeling, but doubt, and not targeted at Obama and the realists, but at the Neocons and Likudniks who have been behaving badly and screwing things up royally for a long time, and have sacrificed not only their standing to lead the American Jewish community, but in many cases have crossed over into deceit, war crimes, treason, and/or active aiding and abetting thereof. It becomes progressively harder to lead when the followers realize you would take them all to Hell in a handbasket. Let's see, they started out as Communists, then abandoned that when the followers realized that standing in a different line line to buy each commodity sucked. Then they became Neocons and reclaimed power from the opposite direction, becoming "righter than the right," hawkier than the hawks (even though none of them actually served), and have sought to fiascoize America, this time rabble rouzing on the WSJ pages, rather than amongst the unions. Now they don't understand why people aren't outraged at Obama's failure to drink their Kool-Aid. What they need is a healthy dose of self-doubt, because the behavior pattern they are following has consistently led to failure and fiasco.
Great. You sound like a Kahane supporter. You can't fight an evil by becoming the evil.
These are important points. Neo-cons say the believe in freedom and democracy but what they actually believe in is American power. The irony is that we wanted to create a West Germany in Iraq. What we got was a France.
So we now know that left-liberal Jews like Peretz, and ex-Trytoskyite Neocon Jews always were “Jewish chauvinists,” and always were pursuing the Jewish chauvinist agenda, even under their liberal “social justice” guise. I think it’s interesting what they always viewed as the best means to the Jewish chauvinist end (and still do): muscular, powerful, centralized, authoritarian government. This conforms to my theory that Diapspora political Judaism seeks out government authority and seeks to grow government because as a non-proselytizing religion, it lacks large armies and financing, so instead it co-opts the resources of “secular” Big Government on its own behalf. This means that under any powerful secular government system in which political Judaism is allowed to participate, either government has to be cut down to size or political Judaism does, because otherwise it will co-opt government for its own warmongering and self-enrichment agenda, as we’ve seen time and again.